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"If you are aware of the case, you must be disgusted.
Never ever trust the word of the husband without talking with the wife. Conscious.
Speak up if something looks strange. "
Absolutely disgusting behaviour and even worse was that his daughter was a victim as well as his wife. |
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By *ustBoWoman 18 weeks ago
Somewhere in Co. Down |
I've only just read about it now. It's absolutely vile and disgusting and the men who went along with it are equally as bad. What absolute monsters,and how any of them can try and justify what they did is unbelievable. The absolute scum of the earth. |
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By *affa31Woman 18 weeks ago
Galway |
Horrific case and this is up there with the worst of it:
“ Some of the accused said they did not believe it was r*pe, because her husband was there and they believed he could consent for both of them.”
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I'm always uncomfortable and uneasy with status updates and forum posts from men, especially single men, looking for men to come over and have sex with the wife, partner or gf.
The degree of this betrayal is staggering. I really can't get my head around this case. Men can laugh, but honestly, I'd rather be mauled to death by a bear.
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By *og-ManMan 18 weeks ago
somewhere |
Reading more into this online and one thought that comes up a lot
Why didnt one decent man put a stop to it
The police say about 3 in 10 men backed out from the computer logs they read so the figures are higher than the 50 men on trial and is between 80 and 100
Most of the men are using the defence of they thought she was pretending and it was their kink
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By *ustBoWoman 18 weeks ago
Somewhere in Co. Down |
"I'm always uncomfortable and uneasy with status updates and forum posts from men, especially single men, looking for men to come over and have sex with the wife, partner or gf.
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Or the ones who start threads trying to set up their wife or partner who know nothing about it and even worse are the men who join into these threads agreeing to do it and can see nothing at all wrong with it either. No one with an ounce of decency would even think it's okay to do this. It is pure predatory behaviour.
And I do not understand how anyone can be that desperate for sex that they think it's okay. |
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By *og-ManMan 18 weeks ago
somewhere |
There's also an account that a lot of people jumped on a while back of a male fabber wanking onto a woman that was asleep and also opening her bum cheeks to show her to the camera
Why could anyone think thats fine |
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By *ig_specs OP Woman 18 weeks ago
Kilbarrack |
"Horrific case and this is up there with the worst of it:
“ Some of the accused said they did not believe it was r*pe, because her husband was there and they believed he could consent for both of them.”
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This is exactly my point! Many of them thought they were helping a couple to fulfil a sexual fantasy |
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"Horrific case and this is up there with the worst of it:
“ Some of the accused said they did not believe it was r*pe, because her husband was there and they believed he could consent for both of them.”
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This is exactly my point! Many of them thought they were helping a couple to fulfil a sexual fantasy "
I appreciate that, but not one of them though to follow up on her wellbeing? Ask her how she was? Their acceptance smacks of her being her husbands possession and them blindly accepting that rather than seeing her as an autonomous human being. Mysogyny is not r*pe but it's still shitty and we are supposed to have moved on from that. Mysogeny also allowed this to continue for years and years. |
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By *aseylee324Couple 18 weeks ago
Valley of Squinting Windows |
It's absolutely disgusting but I'm afraid nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to the behaviour of some men. I think porn has fuelled a lot of predatory and abusive behaviour and the internet has facilitated these individuals finding others who are "like-minded" |
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By *ustBoWoman 18 weeks ago
Somewhere in Co. Down |
"Horrific case and this is up there with the worst of it:
“ Some of the accused said they did not believe it was r*pe, because her husband was there and they believed he could consent for both of them.”
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This is exactly my point! Many of them thought they were helping a couple to fulfil a sexual fantasy "
Any man with an ounce of decency would have wanted to speak to the woman before they fucked her. And there is a massive difference between a kink and someone being tranquilized to the point they have no clue what is happening and anyone with half a brain would know the person was out of it. There is no excuses that can make what they did to be okay,they knew exactly what they were doing as did her husband. They all are sexual predators and I hope they all get what they deserve. |
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By *eijaWoman 18 weeks ago
City Centre |
"Horrific case and this is up there with the worst of it:
“ Some of the accused said they did not believe it was r*pe, because her husband was there and they believed he could consent for both of them.”
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This is exactly my point! Many of them thought they were helping a couple to fulfil a sexual fantasy
Any man with an ounce of decency would have wanted to speak to the woman before they fucked her. And there is a massive difference between a kink and someone being tranquilized to the point they have no clue what is happening and anyone with half a brain would know the person was out of it. There is no excuses that can make what they did to be okay,they knew exactly what they were doing as did her husband. They all are sexual predators and I hope they all get what they deserve. "
Absolutely 💯 disgusting behaviour.
There are two individuals in a relationship...I think some people forget that.
Two humans where consent should and must be obtained.
What a horrific ordeal for that poor woman and her family 💔😫😫😫
I cannot imagine how they feel...
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"Agree with everything said but the men were all members of a website specific to a woman not knowing she was being r*ped and assaulted
Not going to find many decent men there
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Was that the case? (I didnt see that reported). Was it a Reddit or similar or was it F et or even F ab.
In kink there is CNC. It's negotiated and consenting. I have heard a grown assed mature woman with her head absolutely screwed on saying her biggest fantasy is to be dr and taken while under. But she's decided herself that she will leave it as a fantasy only partly because she's on a meds regime and the type of drug starting with Ro would potentially mess with her meds.
But I think it's really clear in this case this woman didn't know and it wasn't her kink. But what gets me is that the men involved didn't ask her prior, or follow up after. Either would have alerted her. |
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By *asual777Man 17 weeks ago
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I have heard about the fantasy of a blind folded woman and strangers coming in and out of the room arranged by a male partner who oversees safety and the use of condoms . This is something that both male and female friends have talked about arranging but I have yet to partake in.
I think the key issue is all participants checking in with the female beforehand that this is her fantasy , wish and something she consents to.
It’s possible that the participants in the pelicot case were a mixture of men . Some had concerns that the woman was sedated but didn’t care , and some whom might have attributed the silence/passivity as some part of a fantasy . However by not checking with her beforehand (and before the event), they are guilty regardless of their intent .
This should be an important lesson for anyone considering participating in anything arranged by a male which impacts on a female . The do x/y/z threads to my wife/female partner threads are laced with danger in my view not just of being a load of hot air , but possibly having even more sinister potential outcomes .
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Shocking behaviour and they all did it to her knowing she was out of it.
I know of another high profile Irish case. Wont go into details but I worked with the victim. Never knew she had gone through what she did. All the men involved bar 1 got off scot free as far as I know. Vile. |
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By (user no longer on site) 3 weeks ago
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Consent should be thoroughly enthusiastic: I m wary of gangbang, because a woman (or man) might freeze in a group setting, might find it hard to articulate that they have reconsidered or that they are Luke warm about it.
If the consent isn't really positive and genuine, then it's a no. These fantasies with blind folds and the "secret" man or men erode genuine consent.
The case being discussed : a lifetime of sexual abuse. It's disgusting. Some of the visiting men did it to their wives too. Reciprocated the abuse.
Disgusting all the men that knew about it and didn't report or try to shut it down.
It's a defining moment, it ll blow up a big discussion about toxic masculinity and boys clubs covering up for each others. The ones that knew and didn't interfere are accomplices to the crime. |
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I had to look this up. Thankfully I only read a BBC summary.
The thing I always find harrowing about cases like these is "Mr everywhere". There are plenty of disgusting bastards who openly flaunt themselves, which while still being bad, you at least know. It's the ones you can't tell immediately that worry me. |
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Speak up if something looks strange.
This part worries me the most tbh. How many would never participate but would look the other way as it's "none of my business"?"
Exactly
It is not only for what we do that we are responsible but also for what we do not do
Too many scary threads lately of guys organising 'gang bangs' for women who are unseen and unheard and guys asking would someone come seduce their 'wife' in a bar without her knowledge of this being arranged
And scarier still the amount of guys who instantly say yes without Any further questions |
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Seen a report today that he could be out in 3 years, which is no justice at all. Anyone aee the film Papillon with Dustin Hoffman. He was a French convict sent to a prison on an anthrax testing island in French Polynesia.
That's where all of those fuckers should be sent to. |
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By *panishRebelMan 3 weeks ago
Alicante Spain, and Cork City Ireland |
It is one of the most odious cases of abuse to come to international recognition. I hope the brave Giselle Pelicote receives all the support she will need on an ongoing case. The length of time over which this abuse occurred is sobering and the fact that so many men were in on it!
People are above wondering if this could happen here in Ireland. I think potentially it could happen anywhere.
It highlights a few issues. One issue that might be relevant for this sight is Consent! No one should give consent on behalf of someone else!
I wonder about the gangbang scenarios that come up. The Fuck my Wife Kind.
Consent and Request surely should only come from the individual involved. A second person cannot be the Consent giver!
Second issue I see relevant for here is the issue of pressure. Eg..In a gangbang scenario.
How big is the event pressure versus the personal autonomy of the lady in question? Will she be able to say no at any stage without fear etc.
I say this not to judge anyone's fantasies etc but I do believe the moment Consent and personal Autonomy of any individual of any sex or persuasion is over-rided by others or a scenario then a line in the sand has been crossed which should be unacceptable. |
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There is always a danger of coercive control where someone feels pressured to participate in sexual encounters outside of a relationship through fear of upsetting the controlling partner.
What happens in group settings may not reflect the reality of how healthy or toxic any particular relationship actually is.
It might only involve a minority of those active in the lifestyle but it is highly likely that it does happen.
Would apparent consent given in such a circumstance actually be consent in the eyes of the law?
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Always a danger when someone is hiding the real identity of themselves (not just a user name)
Like how many men pretend be someone else on online dating apps
Different names
Different age(always younger)lads in mid 50s pretending to be in 40s and such.
It's very dangerous for women and they have and will be outed especially when they have wife's and kids themselfs and are preying on women on line for some sick twisted reason..I always worry what the wife goes through with these people
How many women have got into serious trouble meeting some one with fake names and backrounds lately on the news
These guys are a DANGER to all women and will be outed to everyone as much as possible
There's a new show coming soon will be great to watch
Called the Joel /Simon ordeal
Men like this should be made public when caught so everyone knows to stay clear and hopefully save a life
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Speak up if something looks strange.
This part worries me the most tbh. How many would never participate but would look the other way as it's "none of my business"?
Exactly
It is not only for what we do that we are responsible but also for what we do not do
Too many scary threads lately of guys organising 'gang bangs' for women who are unseen and unheard and guys asking would someone come seduce their 'wife' in a bar without her knowledge of this being arranged
And scarier still the amount of guys who instantly say yes without Any further questions "
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"Always a danger when someone is hiding the real identity of themselves (not just a user name)
Like how many men pretend be someone else on online dating apps
Different names
Different age(always younger)lads in mid 50s pretending to be in 40s and such.
It's very dangerous for women and they have and will be outed especially when they have wife's and kids themselfs and are preying on women on line for some sick twisted reason..I always worry what the wife goes through with these people
How many women have got into serious trouble meeting some one with fake names and backrounds lately on the news
These guys are a DANGER to all women and will be outed to everyone as much as possible
There's a new show coming soon will be great to watch
Called the Joel /Simon ordeal
Men like this should be made public when caught so everyone knows to stay clear and hopefully save a life
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Nearly everyone uses fake names here.
Names should not be made public here as this would be abused by people with grudges.
Outing people to their family seems like a good idea, until someone does it for spite.
Pretending to be younger than you are is annoying, but is very common here and not in the same ballpark.
I appreciate that you're expressing outrage her and it's understandable, but the answers (and appropriate responses) aren't as simple as you're suggesting.
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"Always a danger when someone is hiding the real identity of themselves (not just a user name)
Like how many men pretend be someone else on online dating apps
Different names
Different age(always younger)lads in mid 50s pretending to be in 40s and such.
It's very dangerous for women and they have and will be outed especially when they have wife's and kids themselfs and are preying on women on line for some sick twisted reason..I always worry what the wife goes through with these people
How many women have got into serious trouble meeting some one with fake names and backrounds lately on the news
These guys are a DANGER to all women and will be outed to everyone as much as possible
There's a new show coming soon will be great to watch
Called the Joel /Simon ordeal
Men like this should be made public when caught so everyone knows to stay clear and hopefully save a life
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But you're hiding your profile  |
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By *og-ManMan 3 weeks ago
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"Whilst 20 years is the maximum sentence it still feels lenient, the husband should do life"
Some of the guilty walked free because of time spend on remand
I wonder is it easier to serve time on remand ....not as strict..away from the main prison population who'd beat the shite out of you if they knew what you did |
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"If you are aware of the case, you must be disgusted.
Never ever trust the word of the husband without talking with the wife. Conscious.
Speak up if something looks strange. "
I don't think men did not know that this was against her will. Surely if someone does not move at all she isn't OK with this |
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By (user no longer on site) 3 weeks ago
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If you offer someone a cup of tea, but they are unable to accept (or consent) to it, then don't force the tea on them, even if someone else tells you, they like to drink tea while unconscious.
They should actively want the tea, and communicate that themselves.
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Is like to think the percentage isn't that high, but I wouldn't be surprised.
Look for example at the prevalence of sexual abuse in the Catholic church. It's endemic. Men in powerful positions with easy one one one access and with the ability to offend without consequence, will far to often take the opportunity. |
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The case is disgusting and once again makes you question ‘humanity’.
Consent is the key and anyone who participated should be put away for a long time. More than 20 year. Being allowed to walk for having been on remand is a failing of the system. As has been said, how many of those bastards could have called a halt to this by manning up and bringing it to the police.
She is a very brave woman and has to be applauded for showing society that this was wrong and hopefully prevent others being abused in the same way |
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"What % of men would r@pe if they thought they would get away with it? Probably 50%"
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I don't believe you can put a figure on the % of people that "would" do something bad if they thought they would get away with it.
In reality it is possible that 100% would transgress given a certain set of circumstances but based on the number of reported cases and with a best guess at the amount of unreported cases it's probably only a fraction of 1% who actually do carry out such acts.
Not all humans are evil but all humans have the capability to act in an evil way.
We can only judge people by their actions not by what we think they might be capable of doing. |
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"What % of men would r@pe if they thought they would get away with it? Probably 50%"
It's certainly food for thought.
I dread to think what a lawless society would look like. We're a civilised society but mainly because of our laws imo. Mrs. |
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"Is like to think the percentage isn't that high, but I wouldn't be surprised.
Look for example at the prevalence of sexual abuse in the Catholic church. It's endemic. Men in powerful positions with easy one one one access and with the ability to offend without consequence, will far to often take the opportunity."
Powerful positions like (formerly) clergy, the guards and politicians tend to attract narcissists so I think that might explain the prevalence in such positions. |
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"Pardon my ignorance, just a question I have been sitting on for a bit…. Did it become r@Pe when she reveals she did not consent ? Or was it always r@pe ?"
Having sex with someone without their expressed and clear consent is r@pe.
So yes it was always r@pe |
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By (user no longer on site) 3 weeks ago
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Yes it is ridiculous that a certain word is banned, a word which people should be capable of using, in order to discuss what it is.
There is still a misunderstanding of consent and coercive control. |
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"Pardon my ignorance, just a question I have been sitting on for a bit…. Did it become r@Pe when she reveals she did not consent ? Or was it always r@pe ?
Having sex with someone without their expressed and clear consent is r@pe.
So yes it was always r@pe"
I guess the question is if she had consented to being dru*ged and these men came in is it still r@pe. I am assuming we don’t have to wonder whether non consensual sex is r@pe. |
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"Pardon my ignorance, just a question I have been sitting on for a bit…. Did it become r@Pe when she reveals she did not consent ? Or was it always r@pe ?
Having sex with someone without their expressed and clear consent is r@pe.
So yes it was always r@pe
I guess the question is if she had consented to being dru*ged and these men came in is it still r@pe. I am assuming we don’t have to wonder whether non consensual sex is r@pe."
If a person accepts drinks from someone and they are then sexually assaulted by the person, do you think that that isn’t r@pe? |
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"Pardon my ignorance, just a question I have been sitting on for a bit…. Did it become r@Pe when she reveals she did not consent ? Or was it always r@pe ?
Having sex with someone without their expressed and clear consent is r@pe.
So yes it was always r@pe
I guess the question is if she had consented to being dru*ged and these men came in is it still r@pe. I am assuming we don’t have to wonder whether non consensual sex is r@pe."
If she consented to being dru*ged, (she didn't) that's all, that consent does not extend further.
Consent to sex, must be to the actual sexual encounter, the person giving consent must have capacity to consent (sober, over 18, mentally capable of consenting).
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Hi
I am totally disgusted by this man who did this to his wife. It is unbelievable that a person can be so despicable that he would do that to any person never mind his wife.
So he dr*gged her and got guys, total strangers he spoke to on line, to come and have sex with his wife when she was unconscious/dr*gged.
Did the men know she was dr*gged and had no knowledge of what they were doing to her...as in r*ping her?
If so, it is very, very scary that men, and so many of them, would do that on a woman without her knowledge or consent!!!
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The husband gave them instructions in advance, they were to arrive with no smell of cigarettes or aftershave on them, and were told to warm their hands on the radiator before touching her, to avoid waking her.
One of them, caressed her, and backed away after that, he left, because he felt uncomfortable.
He was guilty of sexual assault (not r@pe).
They knew what they were doing. |
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"The husband gave them instructions in advance, they were to arrive with no smell of cigarettes or aftershave on them, and were told to warm their hands on the radiator before touching her, to avoid waking her.
One of them, caressed her, and backed away after that, he left, because he felt uncomfortable.
He was guilty of sexual assault (not r@pe).
They knew what they were doing. "
Disgusting b*starts! Hope the inmates treat them as they deserve!
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"Pardon my ignorance, just a question I have been sitting on for a bit…. Did it become r@Pe when she reveals she did not consent ? Or was it always r@pe ?
Having sex with someone without their expressed and clear consent is r@pe.
So yes it was always r@pe
I guess the question is if she had consented to being dru*ged and these men came in is it still r@pe. I am assuming we don’t have to wonder whether non consensual sex is r@pe.
If a person accepts drinks from someone and they are then sexually assaulted by the person, do you think that that isn’t r@pe?"
I am actually wondering why the rest of the men got lesser sentences. So I am in no way condoning what they did. |
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By *panishRebelMan 3 weeks ago
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Interesting difference between the family (Pelicot Kids) reaction to the sentence Gisele herself. She seems (currently), to be satisfied with the sentences, and her kids are deeply dissatisfied with the leniency on many of the accomplices.
Hopefully non of them appeal against the rulings. Or if they do they loose and get extra punishment if that's possible.
I said it above and I will repeat it. Regardless of any fantasy, there is no place where any individual can give consent on behalf of another individual for any degree of sexual act. Wether child, adult or aged this must be a line never ever crossed.
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"The husband gave them instructions in advance, they were to arrive with no smell of cigarettes or aftershave on them, and were told to warm their hands on the radiator before touching her, to avoid waking her.
One of them, caressed her, and backed away after that, he left, because he felt uncomfortable.
He was guilty of sexual assault (not r@pe).
They knew what they were doing. "
Yes those details are incriminating enough, but these sentences are not sending out the right messages. I am struggling with why they are not being given the full force of the law. I think there is a case for full r@Pe charges and subsequent due sentences |
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"Interesting difference between the family (Pelicot Kids) reaction to the sentence Gisele herself. She seems (currently), to be satisfied with the sentences, and her kids are deeply dissatisfied with the leniency on many of the accomplices.
Hopefully non of them appeal against the rulings. Or if they do they loose and get extra punishment if that's possible.
I said it above and I will repeat it. Regardless of any fantasy, there is no place where any individual can give consent on behalf of another individual for any degree of sexual act. Wether child, adult or aged this must be a line never ever crossed.
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"The husband gave them instructions in advance, they were to arrive with no smell of cigarettes or aftershave on them, and were told to warm their hands on the radiator before touching her, to avoid waking her.
One of them, caressed her, and backed away after that, he left, because he felt uncomfortable.
He was guilty of sexual assault (not r@pe).
They knew what they were doing.
Yes those details are incriminating enough, but these sentences are not sending out the right messages. I am struggling with why they are not being given the full force of the law. I think there is a case for full r@Pe charges and subsequent due sentences"
It's obviously necessary to have a range or sentences available for offenses you're convinced of. Here there is a maximum of 20 years which this poor lady's husband rightly got. There is a logic to those who committed less serious offenses than him, to receive a lesser sentence. Justice needs to be served according to the crimes committed on a case by case basis and leaving room for the most serious cases to have stronger sentences than those with some mitigation. |
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"Interesting difference between the family (Pelicot Kids) reaction to the sentence Gisele herself. She seems (currently), to be satisfied with the sentences, and her kids are deeply dissatisfied with the leniency on many of the accomplices.
Hopefully non of them appeal against the rulings. Or if they do they loose and get extra punishment if that's possible.
I said it above and I will repeat it. Regardless of any fantasy, there is no place where any individual can give consent on behalf of another individual for any degree of sexual act. Wether child, adult or aged this must be a line never ever crossed.
Spot on"
Isn’t one of the children’s issues that they feel that they have been ignored as well as victims? |
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