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Gender-Neutral Toilets and Changing rooms
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By *attooYouMan 11 weeks ago
just about northside |
Found myself in one a while ago. Walked in so fast to what I thought was the men’s did not see any urinals and went straight for the cubicle when I came out there were two women at the mirrors and I thought I was having one of those nightmares you know the ones where half the day has gone by and you’ve just realised you’ve forgotten to put on any clothes and hope no one will notice |
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Its a tricky one as I feel its wrong but when you deep dive into the change its not that strange given that everyone in the toilet or changing room have their own cubicle. Should a change like this come down to a referendum or is that overkill for something like this? |
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I don't have a problem. Cubicle doors are lockable. No woman is being asked to poop or deal with tampons/pads with a man in the cubicle. Everyone has the same basic needs. Everyone uses shared facilities at home. I don't believe the stats show that there is any real risk to anyone's safety. Public venues are (and should be) allowed to choose to implement this or not, and the public can choose to use them or not. |
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"It doesn't bother me really.
One of the good things would be that it would allow children to be accompanied into toilets.
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Good point, many times I've been our with out daughter and had to take her into the gents with me which caused questions around separated toilets and what she is allowed to do and why it's ok now but not normally ok etc |
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"It doesn't bother me really.
One of the good things would be that it would allow children to be accompanied into toilets.
Good point, many times I've been our with out daughter and had to take her into the gents with me which caused questions around separated toilets and what she is allowed to do and why it's ok now but not normally ok etc"
Exactly. I had 2 of my grandsons in a shopping centre recently. They are 5 and 7 and they needed the loo. I said I would wait for them outside, and a man who was standing there went in after them saying I would keep an eye on them!
He was maybe being nice, but I found it a bit creepy. Never happier than when the boys came back out of the gents.
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"Wrong for safety reasons. Can you just imagine the amount of sick men that will claim to be female just so they can get into the same changing rooms of toilets as women. "
You do know women's cubicles only fit one person and have a door and a lock?? How could a man get in there with someone??
Same with changing rooms.
So no, not "wrong for safety reasons".
And great for parents of young kids who are trying to gain some independence but may still need a hand in changing rooms. |
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It would probably take a bit of getting used to but I'd be grand with it, like in a busy pub or club when the ladies is packed but there's no queue at the men's, gender-sharing space never bothered me then 😂😂
👉As long as the facilities are well maintained👈
I'm not oblivious to the risk of sexual m0lestation, and I don't want to make light of that ... I've been a victim of it more than once and what that's taught me is that nowhere is safe, those predators are opportunistic and could be anywhere, regardless of what sign is on the door. Good people, most people, will respect your space and privacy wherever you are. |
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Gender neutral changing rooms exist in most public swimming pools without issue- and toilets are becoming the norm - they are all individual cubicles so I see absolutely no issue. They exist in space restricted areas as is. |
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"Wrong for safety reasons. Can you just imagine the amount of sick men that will claim to be female just so they can get into the same changing rooms of toilets as women. "
Gender neutral toilets and changing rooms are ones everyone can use - no one has to pretend to be anything to gain access. Think of your public swimming pool - cubicles anyone can use - it doesn't mean they all use the same one at the same time - they use individual ones individually or a family one if needed. |
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There's a well known place in Belfast with various options and one being a gender neutral wc's. I often head for the gender neutral one in preference. The only contact I have with people of a different gender to me are when we wash our hands. I see zero problem with this. I feel totally safe.
I wouldn't be so keen if there were urinals, simply because they are smelly things. Although I have been to one place that had Urinals along a half wall in a GN toilets, and it was ok as the route took you on the other side of the wall and all you saw was a row of men's upper chests and the smell was on their side. |
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By *edro50Man 11 weeks ago
enniskillen |
Absolutely Samantha I mean everything is private and let's be honest I have to say the men who are commenting they're aren't being effected and the woman are being positive so I'm supporting the discreetness of knowing that the women know what they're talking about. |
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By (user no longer on site) 11 weeks ago
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Gender neutral toilets are perfectly fine.
There are a good few examples down in cork and never had any problems with them and certainly helps with the queues as many have already pointed out.
Funny how many of the usual far right tropes are brought up here.
A man who wants to abuse a woman won't be stopped by a sign on a door. There is no need to pretend to be a woman.
The whole "identify as a cat" thing is also fake by the way, every single supposed occurrence of that has been thoroughly debunked. |
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"Wrong for safety reasons. Can you just imagine the amount of sick men that will claim to be female just so they can get into the same changing rooms of toilets as women. "
Yes. Very few. Women are more at risk from men that are known to them |
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By *asual777Man 11 weeks ago
i travel all over |
The risk discussion suggests there is a link between identifying as trans and being sexually predatory. Sure some trans people are risky , and some non trans people are . Same as migrants , same as any group really |
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"The risk discussion suggests there is a link between identifying as trans and being sexually predatory. Sure some trans people are risky , and some non trans people are . Same as migrants , same as any group really "
Thank you for this comment, one of the most sensible ones so far
Excellent thread to spot transphobes and other types of scum, I couldn't have better use for my block list
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"Gender neutral toilets are perfectly fine.
There are a good few examples down in cork and never had any problems with them and certainly helps with the queues as many have already pointed out.
Funny how many of the usual far right tropes are brought up here.
A man who wants to abuse a woman won't be stopped by a sign on a door. There is no need to pretend to be a woman.
The whole "identify as a cat" thing is also fake by the way, every single supposed occurrence of that has been thoroughly debunked."
Thank you for this comment |
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By *og-ManMan 11 weeks ago
somewhere |
I work in an industry since the 80's where we can have up to 85000 people in a stadium at any one time and there's usually drink and d rugs involved
In all those years I've had to remove one man from a ladies toilet as he was d*unk and went into the wrong one and he got confused ...no one screamed ...it was just a laugh because the women would look out for each other anyway
In the same time hundreds of women have used the mens toilets as the queues for the womens is usually a mile long
No one gets upset and usually its a case of a big laugh and joke by all involved
I'm sure some of ye have been in croke park on all Ireland day and the exact same thing happens
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I think the whole debate is a load of nonsense, the recent trend of trans people is women to men so the whole point of predatory men going into the women’s jacks is a red herring
However there’s still a way to go to get disabled toilets or disabled friendly toilets in a lot of places so I’d worry about that before sorting toilets for 1% of the population |
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wonder when did we first start using gendered toilets. I imagine they became standard in public places during the Victorian era, but were common in inns and hotels during the Georgian era and the start of the Industrial revolution.
BTW Cubicles marked with both male and female symbols on the doors are so common and normal. They have been for years, long before 'gender neutral toilets' became a rallying point for conservatives. |
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"wonder when did we first start using gendered toilets. I imagine they became standard in public places during the Victorian era, but were common in inns and hotels during the Georgian era and the start of the Industrial revolution.
BTW Cubicles marked with both male and female symbols on the doors are so common and normal. They have been for years, long before 'gender neutral toilets' became a rallying point for conservatives. "
It's kind of a dog whistle to right wing types to meercat their heads up and decide to get annoyed |
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Dog-whistle is exactly the term I was looking for.
FYI According to Bethan Bell at the BBC:
In 1423, a 128-seat toilet hanging over the River Thames at the mouth of the Walbrook was established by London's first mayor, Richard Whittington, who is celebrated in pantomime and folklore.
This "house of easement" was divided into 64 seats for men and the same for women, and is believed to be the first segregated-by-sex public toilet. The poop was washed out by the tide twice a day.
There used to be a toilet at the end of the pier in Howth where, if you needed to poo, you sat on a wooden plank and dangled your bum over a gap in the floor and the crashing waves below. It was big enough for about four or five people to use at the same time. Whitewashed walls and green planking, if I remember. |
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It's like that line in one upon a time in Hollywood when Bruce Lee says his hands are registered weapons and if he accidentally kills someone in a fight he'll go to jail. And Brad Pitt says that's the law for everyone, it's called manslaughter.
What if a fake trans man is a dickhead? The same thing that happens to everyone else. Legal punishment
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Was disappointed to see the usual hatemongering rubbish early in this thread (are we really still doing the "identify as a cat" thing in 2024??) but very heartened by a lot of the replies.
Gender neutral changing rooms are fairly standard these days. Glad to see gender segregation slowly being phased out in toilets too. It can be extremely stressful as a trans girl trying to find somewhere to piss without fear of some paranoid weirdo kicking off because of assumptions they've made about my body. |
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Our local swimming pool has had all gender changing rooms for years and never had a problem. All the changing rooms are closed and there are bigger rooms for families, which if you have small children in particular is great. Nothing worse than being in a men's changing room and some dude arrives in with his young daughter because he doesn't have a choice. |
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"Wrong for safety reasons. Can you just imagine the amount of sick men that will claim to be female just so they can get into the same changing rooms of toilets as women. "
Every sick man who ever lived already shares changing rooms/toilets with little boys and feeble old men. Surely public toilets would already be a slaughter house. |
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"It doesn't bother me really.
One of the good things would be that it would allow children to be accompanied into toilets.
Good point, many times I've been our with out daughter and had to take her into the gents with me which caused questions around separated toilets and what she is allowed to do and why it's ok now but not normally ok etc
Exactly. I had 2 of my grandsons in a shopping centre recently. They are 5 and 7 and they needed the loo. I said I would wait for them outside, and a man who was standing there went in after them saying I would keep an eye on them!
He was maybe being nice, but I found it a bit creepy. Never happier than when the boys came back out of the gents.
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I have no issues using gender neutral facilities.
Frankly, I would never have sent my son into a men's bathroom/changing facility on his own until age 10 or so. He would have accompanied me, full stop. Just like the father of my daughter would have brought her into the men's bathroom or changing facility up to that age.
I doubt that anybody would take contention at parents bringing their opposite sex children to use the facilities!
I do know that my elderly parents would have an issue with gender neutral facilities, and I'm sure they are not the only ones.
This may be a more controversial opinion but I personally believe that the option of female/male only toilets and changing facilities should be available for those that want them and feel more comfortable/safe with that segregation. |
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This debate has been ongoing for a while, personally it doesn't bother me, it's just a question of cubicles and once the door is closed, it really makes no difference.
I feel maybe the labeling can fuel the fire of debate. Labelling them as "gender neutral", I was recently in a pub in the UK where instead of the "male" or "female" or pictoral depiction of which toilet was which, they were labelled "sit down" and "stand up" which, to me came across a lot better and informal |
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By *indenMan 11 weeks ago
Naas which is South West of Dublin |
I don’t have a problem with gender neutral toilets or fitting rooms, I actually see it as an advantage for fathers with young daughters, I noticed a clothes shop recently which had “women’s only” and “any gender” fitting rooms which I though was a good idea.
Keeping in mind these separate cubicles need to be properly designed to avoid people being able to stick camera phones under or over doors or patricians of course. |
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By *ilderMan 11 weeks ago
dublin |
"I can think of at least a couple of places in Dublin that have had that set up for years, I'm sure there's more. I've never seen any issue with them.
I think The Church has them "
That's one of the ones I thought of. Also a restaurant in temple bar used have them. |
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"Was disappointed to see the usual hatemongering rubbish early in this thread (are we really still doing the "identify as a cat" thing in 2024??) but very heartened by a lot of the replies.
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I seem to remember the identifing as a cat thing and putting litter boxes in school was started as a hoax to rile up the trump type republicans and they believed it was actually happening.
On gender neutral bathrooms, Eddie Izzard on Joe Rogan really summed it up succinctly....everyone shares the toilet on an aeroplane |
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"I don’t have a problem with gender neutral toilets or fitting rooms, I actually see it as an advantage for fathers with young daughters, I noticed a clothes shop recently which had “women’s only” and “any gender” fitting rooms which I though was a good idea.
Keeping in mind these separate cubicles need to be properly designed to avoid people being able to stick camera phones under or over doors or patricians of course."
This exactly.
However, I categorically disagree with them in schools. Have seen debates for and against them in the UK. I am totally against them in that situation. |
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"I don’t have a problem with gender neutral toilets or fitting rooms, I actually see it as an advantage for fathers with young daughters, I noticed a clothes shop recently which had “women’s only” and “any gender” fitting rooms which I though was a good idea.
Keeping in mind these separate cubicles need to be properly designed to avoid people being able to stick camera phones under or over doors or patricians of course.
This exactly.
However, I categorically disagree with them in schools. Have seen debates for and against them in the UK. I am totally against them in that situation."
They are already in primary schools here. Most classrooms in new buildings especially have two/three cubicles off them. In second level additional needs toilets - essentially the ones for THEE most vulnerable students are gender neutral. So why would gender neutral be an issue outside of that? |
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"I don’t have a problem with gender neutral toilets or fitting rooms, I actually see it as an advantage for fathers with young daughters, I noticed a clothes shop recently which had “women’s only” and “any gender” fitting rooms which I though was a good idea.
Keeping in mind these separate cubicles need to be properly designed to avoid people being able to stick camera phones under or over doors or patricians of course.
This exactly.
However, I categorically disagree with them in schools. Have seen debates for and against them in the UK. I am totally against them in that situation.
They are already in primary schools here. Most classrooms in new buildings especially have two/three cubicles off them. In second level additional needs toilets - essentially the ones for THEE most vulnerable students are gender neutral. So why would gender neutral be an issue outside of that? "
They aren't in our primary school. I disagree with them in schools. I wouldn't be happy if my daughters had to go through puberty and had to share facilities in school.
That's my opinion, and only my opinion. Each to their own. |
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By *panishRebelMan 11 weeks ago
Alicante Spain, and Cork City Ireland |
In everybody's home they are gender neutral. (Although there's bound to be some exception). However in public spaces, I would imagine it's best maintain segregation. Not necessarily due to ideology, but practically.
Where would the women disappear to for a chat and natter on a night out, when they want to powder the nose. Can you imagine the emotional scaring for a bloke if he overhears the ska, while peacefully sitting on the John. |
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"In everybody's home they are gender neutral. (Although there's bound to be some exception). However in public spaces, I would imagine it's best maintain segregation. Not necessarily due to ideology, but practically.
Where would the women disappear to for a chat and natter on a night out, when they want to powder the nose. Can you imagine the emotional scaring for a bloke if he overhears the ska, while peacefully sitting on the John. "
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