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"Just out of interest what are your thoughts on the XL ban coming into effect. Is the reason for the dog attacks due to the nature of the dog or how it is reared and treated. "
It's probably alot to do with how it's reared, but I do find these breeds attract more aggressive owners (not in all cases before they come for me)
And really they have been corss bred to be this powerful and therfore dangerous.
I hate to see any dogs put down but any breed that has a track record of attacks should be phased out of domestic ownership |
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"Just out of interest what are your thoughts on the XL ban coming into effect. Is the reason for the dog attacks due to the nature of the dog or how it is reared and treated. "
Stupid people owning these large dogs are the biggest problem. They raise the dog as its a child. They have no voice control over them and let them rule the home. So unless ya treat the dog like it's a pack animal and let it know it's place in the pack, your going to have problems. In which it will always end badly. I've personally kept 2 bullmastiff for over 20yrs. Never had a problem with them. It's all down to the way they are raised. Raise them as a dog with strict voice control and you'll never have a problem. |
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There are bad owners of every breed of dog but more often than not when we hear of a fatal dog attack on a human it’s a bulldog or xl bulldog. I don’t think it’s right to put down a dog unless they pose a risk but we can ban the sale and breeding of these animals. |
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I hate them with a passion. Lost a dog to one a number of years ago. The XL was reared nasty by its owner having killed a number of cats in the estate it lived along with some chickens in the space of a number of days. It got out from where it was kept and travelled to a nearby estate where my dog was walking with my father. It grabbed my dog and shook it by the neck. My father had to ch*ke it out with a lead to get it to release my dog. Sadly it was too late. My family are as a whole thankful it was one of the dogs and not one of the grandkids that do be regularly there.
The dogs are an aggressive breed and some do make sure they are reared with that trait made worse. I know they can be lovable and caring but at the end of the day it's an animal and no matter how well trained and cared for it will return to its animalistic instincts. |
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"Just out of interest what are your thoughts on the XL ban coming into effect. Is the reason for the dog attacks due to the nature of the dog or how it is reared and treated.
Stupid people owning these large dogs are the biggest problem. They raise the dog as its a child. They have no voice control over them and let them rule the home. So unless ya treat the dog like it's a pack animal and let it know it's place in the pack, your going to have problems. In which it will always end badly. I've personally kept 2 bullmastiff for over 20yrs. Never had a problem with them. It's all down to the way they are raised. Raise them as a dog with strict voice control and you'll never have a problem."
I've two questions on this.
1. If your raising it like a pack animal and not a pet what's the point?
2. Isn't it natural for pack animals to eventually aggressively challenge for the lead of the pack ? |
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Unfortunately there is a lot of cross breeding now, which is affecting the dogs. And yes stupid people get these dogs to feel powerful in a way. I have seen people letting these dogs off the lead in the countryside and chasing other animals or worse killing the likes of sheep and not caring about it. This is 75% of the problem. |
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"Just out of interest what are your thoughts on the XL ban coming into effect. Is the reason for the dog attacks due to the nature of the dog or how it is reared and treated. "
Considering many non XL bully breads have been called xl bully and bread the accused of said attacks its sad. I never seen a bad xl bully ever so not sure this is a good idea |
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In particular I can't understand people who have kids and have such dogs or others who I won't name but unfortunately are frequently are in the news for savaging, or even killing people, especially kids.
And so many times the owners saying they don't understand their "baby" never did anything like that before. |
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It’s people who have no control over the dogs that’s the issue. They don’t watch them or train them properly. Walk them with no leads.
We own four larger breeds none are on the dangerous dog breed list, but are strong and could do damage if they wanted. We trained each of them from a young age, never babied them and let them know early on their place in the pecking order of the pack! That said I would never ever trust them alone with children, around smaller animals (we have cats mind they don’t bother them) or would not let them walk without a lead.
One thing I do notice when out walking is most the smaller dogs are not trained properly this is also an issue as owners let their little dogs up to ours (which is fine as ours are trained not to do anything- but what if they weren’t). Another thing I notice is parents telling their kids go “pet the lovely dogs” erm the dogs are bigger than some of these kids cop on….. I always tell the kids to wait and ask me can they, and never to walk up to a dog, getting odd looks off mammy or daddy!
People are buying the XL breeds for fighting and training them to be vicious. The dogs have lock jaw so when they bite it’s harder than other breeds.
I absolutely love dogs but some breeds are not safe and if they don’t have the proper owner/ master are very dangerous. Therefor they should be banned for safety for others. Some of the point I mentioned above are also factors no one should ever approach a dog without asking. |
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"It’s people who have no control over the dogs that’s the issue. They don’t watch them or train them properly. Walk them with no leads.
We own four larger breeds none are on the dangerous dog breed list, but are strong and could do damage if they wanted. We trained each of them from a young age, never babied them and let them know early on their place in the pecking order of the pack! That said I would never ever trust them alone with children, around smaller animals (we have cats mind they don’t bother them) or would not let them walk without a lead.
One thing I do notice when out walking is most the smaller dogs are not trained properly this is also an issue as owners let their little dogs up to ours (which is fine as ours are trained not to do anything- but what if they weren’t). Another thing I notice is parents telling their kids go “pet the lovely dogs” erm the dogs are bigger than some of these kids cop on….. I always tell the kids to wait and ask me can they, and never to walk up to a dog, getting odd looks off mammy or daddy!
People are buying the XL breeds for fighting and training them to be vicious. The dogs have lock jaw so when they bite it’s harder than other breeds.
I absolutely love dogs but some breeds are not safe and if they don’t have the proper owner/ master are very dangerous. Therefor they should be banned for safety for others. Some of the point I mentioned above are also factors no one should ever approach a dog without asking."
The kids petting strange dogs drives me nuts! We had an issue where our little one would run up to dogs and try pet them and it took us ages to get her out of it. |
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By *aseylee324Couple 20 weeks ago
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Unfortunately a huge number of people are morons, so since it would apparently be unethical to stop them from breeding, the dog breeds which are potentially dangerous have to be properly controlled by the authorities. |
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"Just out of interest what are your thoughts on the XL ban coming into effect. Is the reason for the dog attacks due to the nature of the dog or how it is reared and treated.
Stupid people owning these large dogs are the biggest problem. They raise the dog as its a child. They have no voice control over them and let them rule the home. So unless ya treat the dog like it's a pack animal and let it know it's place in the pack, your going to have problems. In which it will always end badly. I've personally kept 2 bullmastiff for over 20yrs. Never had a problem with them. It's all down to the way they are raised. Raise them as a dog with strict voice control and you'll never have a problem.
I've two questions on this.
1. If your raising it like a pack animal and not a pet what's the point?
2. Isn't it natural for pack animals to eventually aggressively challenge for the lead of the pack ?"
Well we used to keep 12 dogs at one time. Majority were hunting dogs. They were well trained from a young age. My father wouldn't take anyone out hunting that didn't have voice control over their dog. Plus with that many dogs they would form their own pecking order within the pack. Some minor fights would break out from time to time, but one quick shout and they would go to ground. Voice control and discipline is key. Now regarding the two bullmastiff, they are family pets yes but also guard dogs. They have been trained since 6 month's old. Well feed (12 stone & 10 stone in weight) and well looked after. I like to skip one night of food every 2 weeks. Just things I was shown as I grew up and now I pass it on to my kids.
So like I said, the biggest problem is the owners. They seem to forget that they are raising a dog and not a child. Strict voice control and discipline is key. |
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"It’s people who have no control over the dogs that’s the issue. They don’t watch them or train them properly. Walk them with no leads.
We own four larger breeds none are on the dangerous dog breed list, but are strong and could do damage if they wanted. We trained each of them from a young age, never babied them and let them know early on their place in the pecking order of the pack! That said I would never ever trust them alone with children, around smaller animals (we have cats mind they don’t bother them) or would not let them walk without a lead.
One thing I do notice when out walking is most the smaller dogs are not trained properly this is also an issue as owners let their little dogs up to ours (which is fine as ours are trained not to do anything- but what if they weren’t). Another thing I notice is parents telling their kids go “pet the lovely dogs” erm the dogs are bigger than some of these kids cop on….. I always tell the kids to wait and ask me can they, and never to walk up to a dog, getting odd looks off mammy or daddy!
People are buying the XL breeds for fighting and training them to be vicious. The dogs have lock jaw so when they bite it’s harder than other breeds.
I absolutely love dogs but some breeds are not safe and if they don’t have the proper owner/ master are very dangerous. Therefor they should be banned for safety for others. Some of the point I mentioned above are also factors no one should ever approach a dog without asking.
The kids petting strange dogs drives me nuts! We had an issue where our little one would run up to dogs and try pet them and it took us ages to get her out of it. "
You guys done the right thing I was the same with mine when they were younger. The instances I mentioned the parents told the kids to pet the dogs. 
Most dog owners are aware if their dog is not suitable to be around kids and will purposely go to quieter areas with their dogs for walks. I do say most as we all know there are some pretty stupid people around.
I mostly bring mine to the bog, no leads and just let them run ahead of me. But once a week we go to local park or beach to ensure they stay socialised. |
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"Unfortunately a huge number of people are morons, so since it would apparently be unethical to stop them from breeding, the dog breeds which are potentially dangerous have to be properly controlled by the authorities."
Underrated comment. 🤣 |
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The dogs have been bred over centuries for hunting large animals, it's the reason they're naturally going to be aggressive. But then again, so is my little ball of fluff, he's just not strong or big enough to do any damage!
Unfortunately they seem to attract a lot of the wrong type of owner.
I would love to own a German Shepherd, but I know I just don't have the time to train a dog of that size properly, and it's only going to become a problem! |
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The dogs aren't true breeds and that's the problem!! I've 2 German Shepherds and around people especially children they're amazing, I've signs up all over the outside to let people know so I wouldn't advise anyone to just walk in unless there's someone there with the dog's!! But they're Amazing Dogs |
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"The dogs aren't true breeds and that's the problem!! I've 2 German Shepherds and around people especially children they're amazing, I've signs up all over the outside to let people know so I wouldn't advise anyone to just walk in unless there's someone there with the dog's!! But they're Amazing Dogs"
There is no such thing as a true breed. There are traits and bloodlines that were selectively bred to accentuate particular characteristics (that are often unhealthy for them). |
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"The dogs aren't true breeds and that's the problem!! I've 2 German Shepherds and around people especially children they're amazing, I've signs up all over the outside to let people know so I wouldn't advise anyone to just walk in unless there's someone there with the dog's!! But they're Amazing Dogs
There is no such thing as a true breed. There are traits and bloodlines that were selectively bred to accentuate particular characteristics (that are often unhealthy for them). "
True I might have worded that wrong mate,what I meant was that the likes of the XL are mixed through a very short bloodline 🤷♂️ I can and always could trace my dog throughout the years I've had them back atleast 5/6 generations |
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The dog can only grow up in 1 of 2 environments. 1 where the animal is well cared for and trained and the other is where the dog is neglected and fears all people so would be prone to lash out think it's like everything else it's how it's reared and treated does a lot for any animal |
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By *om TangoMan 20 weeks ago
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Couldn’t be assed reading back. I’ve a Rottweiler dog. One of the sweetest dogs I’ve had. But I’ve trained her from a pup. She will not eat unless I say to eat. She will sit when I say so and so on. Not sure if they are in banned list but she’s going no where if she is. I’ve young kids and when they are outside playing she sits at the top of the driveway watching out for them. Them big XL breeds. Not for me. |
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By *ombikerMan 20 weeks ago
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I have always had big dogs. I know people with XL bullies and they are gentle dogs, were raised with children (these particular dogs) and were well behaved and socialised.
But then there are idiots that have no clue about any dog and don’t know how to handle or control them or even when to call time on a dog that is out of hand. There is also the issue of a number of these dogs that have attacked people were rescue dogs or rehomed a number of times and were obviously problem dogs and were “rescued” by well meaning people but who lacked the skill, knowledge and ability to control or recognise that there is a decision necessary to put down that particular dog.
Also as newspapers love to report popular bad news stories, many of the dog attacks were not XL bullies but other breeds and just reported as XLs, the same way as in the past the bogey man dog would be called a pit bull or Doberman, German shepherd, rothwiler or whatever is the latest sensation story.
There is also the issue of people climbing over fences into enclosed gardens for whatever reason they think of to justify their presence on property that they are not welcome in and a dog bites them, well that’s the dogs job to keep out unwelcome intruders, almost any dog will defend its home and family.
Right so, rant over for today.
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