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Insane sentence. He did it, would have kept hitting her if he wasn't stopped by a passerby (bear in mind he was also in the company of friends who presumably stood watching it happen) and then bragged about it on social media. Fuck character references or guilty pleas. Should have ended up in a cell. |
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By *ind Paddy OP Man 33 weeks ago
South County Dublin |
I hope she goes to legal aid board for free legal aid to take a civil action against him.
The Ju could have order a better sum of compensation and adjourned the case till it was paid over.
Saving the lady having to go to court again.
He should be kicked out of the army |
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"I hope she goes to legal aid board for free legal aid to take a civil action against him.
The Ju could have order a better sum of compensation and adjourned the case till it was paid over.
Saving the lady having to go to court again.
He should be kicked out of the army"
I was just reading the army have started that process. |
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The justice system has failed women time and time again and male violence towards women appears to be on the rise.
I don't think we men are doing enough to call out sexist behaviour amongst our friends and other men.
It's worrying to see a growing trend of podcast bros blaming women and giving atrocious "advise" to young men through social media. |
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"I hope she goes to legal aid board for free legal aid to take a civil action against him.
The Ju could have order a better sum of compensation and adjourned the case till it was paid over.
Saving the lady having to go to court again.
He should be kicked out of the army
I was just reading the army have started that process. "
His superior Officer should be kicked out as well. |
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By *ind Paddy OP Man 33 weeks ago
South County Dublin |
"Tbf the justice system had failed all assault victims not just women.
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Yes it certainly has lately. He only pleaded guilty after been shown the tape.
Wonder what the Dublin taxi driver will get for what he did |
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Just disgusting. How can this be possible in this day and age. Some fella can viciously assault a woman on the street and get a suspended sentence. What are these Judges thinking when they pass down sentence. They aren't fit for purpose. Character references should be done away with in assault cases. And as for the irish defence forces supporting this behaviour it is mind-boggling. |
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"Tbf the justice system had failed all assault victims not just women.
Yes it certainly has lately. He only pleaded guilty after been shown the tape.
Wonder what the Dublin taxi driver will get for what he did"
Ffs I hope he get the highest possible sentence available.
What he did was disgusting and vile.and not right to compare the two. |
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"I hope she goes to legal aid board for free legal aid to take a civil action against him.
The Ju could have order a better sum of compensation and adjourned the case till it was paid over.
Saving the lady having to go to court again.
He should be kicked out of the army
I was just reading the army have started that process.
His superior Officer should be kicked out as well."
I don’t know, I can’t see how a third person losing their livelihood would help. I feel the defence forces should amend their systems alright though. Like he might not have any contact with the guilty lad on a day to day basis and he was just an army representative. |
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Unbelievable sentence. Maybe the judge should be made stand down. I don't think that man should be allowed to stay in the army.
Not to long ago a well known limerick hurler got away with something similar. |
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"His type don't usually do well in prison once they find out what he has done.
True. But his entire sentence was suspended. So he won't serve a day. Justice how are ya.
Shocking decision"
That's disgusting |
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"He should be kicked out of the army
I was just reading the army have started that process.
His superior Officer should be kicked out as well."
Agreed.
I can't understand a superior officer standing over an animal like him. It makes the superior officer and the Army as a whole look complicit. |
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By *og-ManMan 33 weeks ago
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"He should be kicked out of the army
I was just reading the army have started that process.
His superior Officer should be kicked out as well.
Agreed.
I can't understand a superior officer standing over an animal like him. It makes the superior officer and the Army as a whole look complicit. "
I don't understand why they allow character references in any trial
Mickey Hart gave one
Guy in Kerry who attacked a woman got one of the local priest
Trial is based on evidence of something that happened in a short period ...not how great he was six months beforehand
I assume the army will say they couldn't prejudice his dismissal case from the army
But they could refuse to send anything on his behalf instead |
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By *aseylee324Couple 33 weeks ago
Valley of Squinting Windows |
"He should be kicked out of the army
I was just reading the army have started that process.
His superior Officer should be kicked out as well.
Agreed.
I can't understand a superior officer standing over an animal like him. It makes the superior officer and the Army as a whole look complicit.
I don't understand why they allow character references in any trial
Mickey Hart gave one
Guy in Kerry who attacked a woman got one of the local priest
Trial is based on evidence of something that happened in a short period ...not how great he was six months beforehand
I assume the army will say they couldn't prejudice his dismissal case from the army
But they could refuse to send anything on his behalf instead "
Me neither, batein the head of random strangers and sexually assaulting people means any previous indication of you being a stand-up citizen is moot |
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By (user no longer on site) 33 weeks ago
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Mr here, I don't know much about the case! Assault is assault, few parts to this!
Any guy sober can take vast majority of women out! So guys are typically aware of this and don't strike out, even when hit. Not saying it's fair etc but our force back is different.
The army train to be physical, how to do damage and accept violence.
It's a boys club, yes I know girls are soldiers too! But that's the term so roll with it.
Puzzling part is, if he did boxing or martial arts judge would destroy him as he can fight & hurt you get shown no mercy! Why when it's your job is that ok! That puzzles me! OK you serve so slap on the wrists! If anything his punishment should have been court martial and life in prison. I know loads of soldiers and most won't take kindly to this. Some barracks justice may yet happen. |
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By *og-ManMan 33 weeks ago
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The other thing Id say is that someone will absolutely batter the shite out of him one night when he's not expecting it
Judges are completely out of touch with Justice
When you see some of the sentences handed out you automatically assume Judge Nolan who has a queue waiting to get before him as he's so lenient |
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"Mr here, I don't know much about the case! Assault is assault, few parts to this!
Any guy sober can take vast majority of women out! So guys are typically aware of this and don't strike out, even when hit. Not saying it's fair etc but our force back is different.
The army train to be physical, how to do damage and accept violence.
It's a boys club, yes I know girls are soldiers too! But that's the term so roll with it.
Puzzling part is, if he did boxing or martial arts judge would destroy him as he can fight & hurt you get shown no mercy! Why when it's your job is that ok! That puzzles me! OK you serve so slap on the wrists! If anything his punishment should have been court martial and life in prison. I know loads of soldiers and most won't take kindly to this. Some barracks justice may yet happen. "
It's just unfortunately not an exceptional sentence, as with Kyle Hayes, it's because of who the person was or who gave them a character reference.
Our criminal sentencing system is simply broken and needs to be rehauled.
Also life imprisonment and barracks justice is an excessive punishment just to compensate for what is too light a sentence. |
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A soldier is entitled by law to have his superior officer give a character reference.
That officer may only legally state what is recorded on his conduct sheet in the previous 12 months. Nothing else, personal opinions, etc, are admissable.
That's the legal side of things, which he used to his advantage.
However, now that the legal niceties are out of the way, the Army, made up of decent men and women has its own system of " justice". |
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By *og-ManMan 33 weeks ago
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A soldier is entitled by law to have his superior officer give a character reference.
That officer may only legally state what is recorded on his conduct sheet in the previous 12 months. Nothing else, personal opinions, etc, are admissable.
Is that not only in a court martial
I dont know myself |
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By (user no longer on site) 33 weeks ago
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Sorry I'm an eye for an eye! His intent was to kill her! He got stopped! But attempting to beat someone to death has no justification. Life in prison. Not arguing or debating this. Everyone can have their say and has done. But nothing will persuade me otherwise. And nothing even to do with man v woman violence, simply he tried to kill a person as a trained killer. No mercy bye bye |
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The army officer in court has two roles, to give the court a reference of the soldiers behaviour in the army, and to report back to the army with the court proceedings to allow the army to decide if it needs to take disciplinary action against the soldier, despite the judge's best efforts to keep this filth in the army I'd say he'll be discharged |
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By *ind Paddy OP Man 33 weeks ago
South County Dublin |
I would not say he will be long in the army.
Someone needs to do a review of the sentences in criminal cases.
All the Judge was short of doing was giving him a medal.
As someone pointed out earlier all the defence teams want to go before the soft Judges. |
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There is a comment above about not doing enough to call out sexist behaviour in others.
The the victim here had arroached him to ask him to stop shouting homophobic abuse at others.
This is the thanks and protection given to her by the courts.
I also notice the far right aren't out lamenting how unsafe the streets are this time, I wonder why that is.
Jesus christ right only boob threads for the rest of the weekend or I'll be even grumpier than normal |
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By *aseylee324Couple 33 weeks ago
Valley of Squinting Windows |
Considering someone with a conviction for assault topped local election vote in Kerry and a hurler with one was welcomed back to his team with open arms, it seems judges aren't the only ones who think this kind of behaviour is acceptable and deserves nothing more than a slap on the wrist. |
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"Considering someone with a conviction for assault topped local election vote in Kerry and a hurler with one was welcomed back to his team with open arms, it seems judges aren't the only ones who think this kind of behaviour is acceptable and deserves nothing more than a slap on the wrist."
At the end of the day, there aren't many who would do the right thing at their own expense. Sad but true. |
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By *wirl02Man 33 weeks ago
Dublin 12 |
That was not justice, In any shape or form. ONLY pleaded guilty when confronted with irrefutable proof of his actions and being praised for doing so, as it meant a quick trial, how does that become a get out of jail card? Absolutely sickened by it |
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By *panishRebelMan 33 weeks ago
Alicante Spain, and Cork City Ireland |
I just read up on this. I am in shock, angry about it. I suspected that people might be overlooking something, overreacting. Well now I think the opposite. Are people under reacting?
It seems the impact on the lady (and all her life interactions such as loss of work) have not even been taken into consideration by the judge.
While I understand that something has to be taken off for pleading guilty otherwise no one would ever plead guilty...(It sticks in the throat though), suspended sentence... really.
There are some who will play this game in the future now. And, why is no recompense given to the lady?
She has neither justice nor recompense!
That really stinks. |
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By *aseylee324Couple 33 weeks ago
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"Considering someone with a conviction for assault topped local election vote in Kerry and a hurler with one was welcomed back to his team with open arms, it seems judges aren't the only ones who think this kind of behaviour is acceptable and deserves nothing more than a slap on the wrist.
At the end of the day, there aren't many who would do the right thing at their own expense. Sad but true."
Then I can't think why we expect the justice system to think differently  |
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By (user no longer on site) 33 weeks ago
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I agree, it's a disgrace. Part of the problem is the jails are full, a growing population requires more prison spaces. Judges know the jails are full, maybe it's starting to impact on their decisions.
Hopefully the DPP will appeal the leniency of this decision.
Had the victim dropped to the ground at another angle she could have cracked her skull and died, she is lucky to be alive.
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"Considering someone with a conviction for assault topped local election vote in Kerry and a hurler with one was welcomed back to his team with open arms, it seems judges aren't the only ones who think this kind of behaviour is acceptable and deserves nothing more than a slap on the wrist.
At the end of the day, there aren't many who would do the right thing at their own expense. Sad but true.
Then I can't think why we expect the justice system to think differently "
What did the judge have to lose by doing the right thing? This is a case of sexism imo. |
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"Considering someone with a conviction for assault topped local election vote in Kerry and a hurler with one was welcomed back to his team with open arms, it seems judges aren't the only ones who think this kind of behaviour is acceptable and deserves nothing more than a slap on the wrist.
At the end of the day, there aren't many who would do the right thing at their own expense. Sad but true.
Then I can't think why we expect the justice system to think differently
What did the judge have to lose by doing the right thing? This is a case of sexism imo."
I disagree.
Don't get me wrong, the state and the courts and repeatedly failed women. But street violence is actually one are where there is far less concern about the impact on men after assaults.
This is a general issue in criminal sentencing and not one based on gender. |
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By *rRiosMan 33 weeks ago
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What did the judge have to lose by doing the right thing? This is a case of sexism imo.
I disagree.
Don't get me wrong, the state and the courts and repeatedly failed women. But street violence is actually one are where there is far less concern about the impact on men after assaults.
This is a general issue in criminal sentencing and not one based on gender."
Outside of gender, there is video evidence of him assaulting someone else violently enough to cause unconsciousness and then he hit them again.
If this doesn’t get readdressed I’d be very surprised |
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If we solved the issue of male violence in general there wouldn't be any assults on men or women and no cause for concern after the assault. Most of the assaults are carried out by men.
Just the other day a group of men chases a group of queer people out of Phoenix Park. I don't think there has ever been such examples carried out by women ever.
There is a serious issue of male violence that needs to be addressed and not just in Ireland. |
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By *aseylee324Couple 33 weeks ago
Valley of Squinting Windows |
"Considering someone with a conviction for assault topped local election vote in Kerry and a hurler with one was welcomed back to his team with open arms, it seems judges aren't the only ones who think this kind of behaviour is acceptable and deserves nothing more than a slap on the wrist.
At the end of the day, there aren't many who would do the right thing at their own expense. Sad but true.
Then I can't think why we expect the justice system to think differently
What did the judge have to lose by doing the right thing? This is a case of sexism imo."
I dont agree at all, casual violence against men by men is very much downplayed. |
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By *aseylee324Couple 33 weeks ago
Valley of Squinting Windows |
"Casual violence committed by men towards men doesn't mean sexism and even in this case doesn't exist.
How do we solve this issue of casual violence commited by men? "
Which is what I meant, I don't think the issue is one of sexism in the case of female victims, it's that casual violence by men isn't taken seriously enough by society or the judiciary |
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By *aseylee324Couple 33 weeks ago
Valley of Squinting Windows |
"I meant casual male violence doesn't mean that this case ruling wasn't sexism.
Also, I think a high number acts of violence by men towards women are sexist in nature. "
I would agree with the latter, but not necessarily the former |
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By *oc09Man 33 weeks ago
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It's all fucking corrupt the judge let him of with it cause the army would kick him out but if that was a normal Irish guy who worked on a site or in a office or taxi man the book be throwing at us it cause they need the man power for all the protests and all they all in it together corrupt fucks |
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By *oc09Man 33 weeks ago
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A man who hits a woman full stop is a small little man sad excuse of a man who likes throwing power out over a woman. I put any money on it they wouldn't try it with another man cause they wouldn't have the balls. Its not right full stop |
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"I meant casual male violence doesn't mean that this case ruling wasn't sexism.
Also, I think a high number acts of violence by men towards women are sexist in nature. "
No the precedent of violent assaults not resulting in prison time regardless of the gender of the victim means this probably wasn't due to sexism.
In fact there may not have been the same outcry had it been a male victim to be quite honest |
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By *aseylee324Couple 33 weeks ago
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"I meant casual male violence doesn't mean that this case ruling wasn't sexism.
Also, I think a high number acts of violence by men towards women are sexist in nature.
No the precedent of violent assaults not resulting in prison time regardless of the gender of the victim means this probably wasn't due to sexism.
In fact there may not have been the same outcry had it been a male victim to be quite honest"
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"Mr here, I don't know much about the case! Assault is assault, few parts to this!
Any guy sober can take vast majority of women out! So guys are typically aware of this and don't strike out, even when hit. Not saying it's fair etc but our force back is different.
The army train to be physical, how to do damage and accept violence.
It's a boys club, yes I know girls are soldiers too! But that's the term so roll with it.
Puzzling part is, if he did boxing or martial arts judge would destroy him as he can fight & hurt you get shown no mercy! Why when it's your job is that ok! That puzzles me! OK you serve so slap on the wrists! If anything his punishment should have been court martial and life in prison. I know loads of soldiers and most won't take kindly to this. Some barracks justice may yet happen.
It's just unfortunately not an exceptional sentence, as with Kyle Hayes, it's because of who the person was or who gave them a character reference.
Our criminal sentencing system is simply broken and needs to be rehauled.
Also life imprisonment and barracks justice is an excessive punishment just to compensate for what is too light a sentence."
sorry but Kyle Hayes was convicted on aggressive behavior and not assault there is a massive difference he wasn't convicted of assault because he was not the only person involved in that fight and they couldn't 100 % prove he was the aggressor but the media and social media lead everyone to believe he was the only one fighting |
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"sorry but Kyle Hayes was convicted on aggressive behavior and not assault there is a massive difference he wasn't convicted of assault because he was not the only person involved in that fight and they couldn't 100 % prove he was the aggressor but the media and social media lead everyone to believe he was the only one fighting "
Not aggressive behaviour. Violent conduct. Key word being violent. He was convicted of a a violent crime. And recieved a 2 two year jail sentence. Which was suspended.
Until we start taking violent crime seriously enough that people actually spend time with their freedoms revoked how the fuck are we supposed to except this behaviour to change |
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By *oc09Man 33 weeks ago
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"sorry but Kyle Hayes was convicted on aggressive behavior and not assault there is a massive difference he wasn't convicted of assault because he was not the only person involved in that fight and they couldn't 100 % prove he was the aggressor but the media and social media lead everyone to believe he was the only one fighting
Not aggressive behaviour. Violent conduct. Key word being violent. He was convicted of a a violent crime. And recieved a 2 two year jail sentence. Which was suspended.
Until we start taking violent crime seriously enough that people actually spend time with their freedoms revoked how the fuck are we supposed to except this behaviour to change"
100% right |
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"sorry but Kyle Hayes was convicted on aggressive behavior and not assault there is a massive difference he wasn't convicted of assault because he was not the only person involved in that fight and they couldn't 100 % prove he was the aggressor but the media and social media lead everyone to believe he was the only one fighting
Not aggressive behaviour. Violent conduct. Key word being violent. He was convicted of a a violent crime. And recieved a 2 two year jail sentence. Which was suspended.
Until we start taking violent crime seriously enough that people actually spend time with their freedoms revoked how the fuck are we supposed to except this behaviour to change"
look it up it was aggressive behavior so stop with bringing others into a conversation which has nothing got to do with the current topic two completely different things |
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"sorry but Kyle Hayes was convicted on aggressive behavior and not assault there is a massive difference he wasn't convicted of assault because he was not the only person involved in that fight and they couldn't 100 % prove he was the aggressor but the media and social media lead everyone to believe he was the only one fighting
Not aggressive behaviour. Violent conduct. Key word being violent. He was convicted of a a violent crime. And recieved a 2 two year jail sentence. Which was suspended.
Until we start taking violent crime seriously enough that people actually spend time with their freedoms revoked how the fuck are we supposed to except this behaviour to change look it up it was aggressive behavior so stop with bringing others into a conversation which has nothing got to do with the current topic two completely different things "
Sorry dude but according to the Irish Times and Limerick Post he was convicted on violent disorder |
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"look it up it was aggressive behavior so stop with bringing others into a conversation which has nothing got to do with the current topic two completely different things "
Looked it up.. all links say Violent conduct. Happy to follow any links you can provide that say otherwise.
The topic is about sentences for violent attacks.
But sorry dead right completely different type of violent crime what was I thinking... my bad |
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"look it up it was aggressive behavior so stop with bringing others into a conversation which has nothing got to do with the current topic two completely different things "
Look up the Statute Book for Public Order offences. There is no such offence as aggressive behaviour. There is threatening and abusive behaviour but that is only using words. There is violent disorder though. |
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"sorry but Kyle Hayes was convicted on aggressive behavior and not assault there is a massive difference he wasn't convicted of assault because he was not the only person involved in that fight and they couldn't 100 % prove he was the aggressor but the media and social media lead everyone to believe he was the only one fighting
Not aggressive behaviour. Violent conduct. Key word being violent. He was convicted of a a violent crime. And recieved a 2 two year jail sentence. Which was suspended.
Until we start taking violent crime seriously enough that people actually spend time with their freedoms revoked how the fuck are we supposed to except this behaviour to change look it up it was aggressive behavior so stop with bringing others into a conversation which has nothing got to do with the current topic two completely different things
Sorry dude but according to the Irish Times and Limerick Post he was convicted on violent disorder"
well if you take your news from the Limerick post we'll stop there because I couldn't be arsed arguing with a person who gets their news from the Limerick post |
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Sorry dude but according to the Irish Times and Limerick Post he was convicted on violent disorder well if you take your news from the Limerick post we'll stop there because I couldn't be arsed arguing with a person who gets their news from the Limerick post "
20second Google search:
RTE news
Irish examiner
Irish Times
Breakingnews .ie
Irish indo..
But ya cherry pick the points
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By *og-ManMan 33 weeks ago
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Just as an aside I cant be the only parent on here who worries when their adult offspring go into town on a night out both male and female
One punch could kill them
Also something really feckin annoys me
The amount of taxi drivers on here who post that they'll get you home for free for sexual favours
Lads its creepy as fuck especially after last weeks court case |
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"Just as an aside I cant be the only parent on here who worries when their adult offspring go into town on a night out both male and female
One punch could kill them
Also something really feckin annoys me
The amount of taxi drivers on here who post that they'll get you home for free for sexual favours
Lads its creepy as fuck especially after last weeks court case "
I don't have offspring but ya honestly sounds a nightmare.
For all my bluster I don't think I'm prone to being a "macho" dude.
But I'd always have been confident enough walking around any area alone at night.
Now not so much l, I'm not sure if it's me just getting older but things do seem far more dangerous these days
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By (user no longer on site) 33 weeks ago
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Need more gardai on the streets and drug rehab facilities.
Most taxi drivers are decent, as usual there is the odd, creepy, sleazy ones and the more rare sexual predators, who deserve tough justice. |
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"...he wasn't convicted of assault because he was not the only person involved in that fight..."
Correct. He was part of the gang that assaulted the guy a second time outside the club.
How many against one?
Did he, a high profile Limerick sportsman use his stature and influence to stop the a aggressors? No, he participated and deserves the criminal record he got and more.
The net effect is a culture among certain types of men to act with impunity because they have golden boots or a powerful enough lobby that doesn't want a violent convict on their books. |
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"...he wasn't convicted of assault because he was not the only person involved in that fight...
Correct. He was part of the gang that assaulted the guy a second time outside the club.
How many against one?
Did he, a high profile Limerick sportsman use his stature and influence to stop the a aggressors? No, he participated and deserves the criminal record he got and more.
The net effect is a culture among certain types of men to act with impunity because they have golden boots or a powerful enough lobby that doesn't want a violent convict on their books."
I take it you never got into a scrap ever in your life. |
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"...he wasn't convicted of assault because he was not the only person involved in that fight...
Correct. He was part of the gang that assaulted the guy a second time outside the club.
How many against one?
Did he, a high profile Limerick sportsman use his stature and influence to stop the a aggressors? No, he participated and deserves the criminal record he got and more.
The net effect is a culture among certain types of men to act with impunity because they have golden boots or a powerful enough lobby that doesn't want a violent convict on their books. I take it you never got into a scrap ever in your life."
Have you ever been convicted of a violent offense?
Would you kick someone lying on the ground? |
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By *og-ManMan 33 weeks ago
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"Need more gardai on the streets and drug rehab facilities.
Most taxi drivers are decent, as usual there is the odd, creepy, sleazy ones and the more rare sexual predators, who deserve tough justice. "
Most people are decent in every walk of life
Unfortunately the ones that aren't are the ones that cause most hurt |
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By (user no longer on site) 33 weeks ago
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"Need more gardai on the streets and drug rehab facilities.
Most taxi drivers are decent, as usual there is the odd, creepy, sleazy ones and the more rare sexual predators, who deserve tough justice.
Most people are decent in every walk of life
Unfortunately the ones that aren't are the ones that cause most hurt "
Agree |
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"...he wasn't convicted of assault because he was not the only person involved in that fight...
Correct. He was part of the gang that assaulted the guy a second time outside the club.
How many against one?
Did he, a high profile Limerick sportsman use his stature and influence to stop the a aggressors? No, he participated and deserves the criminal record he got and more.
The net effect is a culture among certain types of men to act with impunity because they have golden boots or a powerful enough lobby that doesn't want a violent convict on their books. I take it you never got into a scrap ever in your life."
CC I've never been in a scrap in my life. I know how dangerous it is. One strike can can have life changing consequences.
I've never kicked a man while he was down.
I've never got my mates ganged up on a lad on his own.
I've never used my status and position as a leader and role model to get away with a violent crime.
Fwiw I don't believe that custodial sentences serve the intended purpose in a large amount of cases.
IMO Kyle Hayes should have lost his jersey and been banned from representing the county.
Just like the other criminal above will be thrown out if the army.
I honestly don't know why your defending him but I've nothing else to add to the bun fight.
I'll leave it at that.
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No matter how many times you spin it you wont get most on here to not think he's a scumbag found guilty in a court of law and public opinion"
the worst part of this for me is that he'll be celebrated and treated as a hero by thousands of people if Limerick win the all Ireland. Shame on all those people |
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"...he wasn't convicted of assault because he was not the only person involved in that fight...
Correct. He was part of the gang that assaulted the guy a second time outside the club.
How many against one?
Did he, a high profile Limerick sportsman use his stature and influence to stop the a aggressors? No, he participated and deserves the criminal record he got and more.
The net effect is a culture among certain types of men to act with impunity because they have golden boots or a powerful enough lobby that doesn't want a violent convict on their books. I take it you never got into a scrap ever in your life.
Have you ever been convicted of a violent offense?
Would you kick someone lying on the ground?"
if there were cameras around when I was younger we'd all be convinced for violent disorder but thankfully I grew up but I'm not embarrassed to admit it because yes I was young and stupid and d*unk the same as Kyle was that night and the rest of the people involved in that fight on both sides. |
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By *og-ManMan 33 weeks ago
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Genuine question to bring the conversation in another direction
I know we are meant to have separate powers between government and the justice system
But surely there's a way for a judge to be sacked |
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"Genuine question to bring the conversation in another direction
I know we are meant to have separate powers between government and the justice system
But surely there's a way for a judge to be sacked "
that judge is a joke everyone gets off |
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"...he wasn't convicted of assault because he was not the only person involved in that fight...
Correct. He was part of the gang that assaulted the guy a second time outside the club.
How many against one?
Did he, a high profile Limerick sportsman use his stature and influence to stop the a aggressors? No, he participated and deserves the criminal record he got and more.
The net effect is a culture among certain types of men to act with impunity because they have golden boots or a powerful enough lobby that doesn't want a violent convict on their books. I take it you never got into a scrap ever in your life.
Have you ever been convicted of a violent offense?
Would you kick someone lying on the ground?if there were cameras around when I was younger we'd all be convinced for violent disorder but thankfully I grew up but I'm not embarrassed to admit it because yes I was young and stupid and d*unk the same as Kyle was that night and the rest of the people involved in that fight on both sides. "
Sorry who on the other side of that "fight" got convicted?
So that's a yes you would kick someone on the ground? |
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"...he wasn't convicted of assault because he was not the only person involved in that fight...
Correct. He was part of the gang that assaulted the guy a second time outside the club.
How many against one?
Did he, a high profile Limerick sportsman use his stature and influence to stop the a aggressors? No, he participated and deserves the criminal record he got and more.
The net effect is a culture among certain types of men to act with impunity because they have golden boots or a powerful enough lobby that doesn't want a violent convict on their books. I take it you never got into a scrap ever in your life.
Have you ever been convicted of a violent offense?
Would you kick someone lying on the ground?if there were cameras around when I was younger we'd all be convinced for violent disorder but thankfully I grew up but I'm not embarrassed to admit it because yes I was young and stupid and d*unk the same as Kyle was that night and the rest of the people involved in that fight on both sides.
Sorry who on the other side of that "fight" got convicted?
So that's a yes you would kick someone on the ground?"
I just told the truth I'm not embarrassed about my past I learned from my mistakes I'm not afraid to tell people I was no angel in my youth and I wouldn't change it. You were clearly an angel by the way you can look down from your high horse at the rest of us who made mistakes in our lives hope it keeps well for you |
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"...he wasn't convicted of assault because he was not the only person involved in that fight...
Correct. He was part of the gang that assaulted the guy a second time outside the club.
How many against one?
Did he, a high profile Limerick sportsman use his stature and influence to stop the a aggressors? No, he participated and deserves the criminal record he got and more.
The net effect is a culture among certain types of men to act with impunity because they have golden boots or a powerful enough lobby that doesn't want a violent convict on their books. I take it you never got into a scrap ever in your life.
Have you ever been convicted of a violent offense?
Would you kick someone lying on the ground?if there were cameras around when I was younger we'd all be convinced for violent disorder but thankfully I grew up but I'm not embarrassed to admit it because yes I was young and stupid and d*unk the same as Kyle was that night and the rest of the people involved in that fight on both sides.
Sorry who on the other side of that "fight" got convicted?
So that's a yes you would kick someone on the ground?I just told the truth I'm not embarrassed about my past I learned from my mistakes I'm not afraid to tell people I was no angel in my youth and I wouldn't change it. You were clearly an angel by the way you can look down from your high horse at the rest of us who made mistakes in our lives hope it keeps well for you "
Yes sorry I do look down on people who have kicked/punched helpless victims on the ground and can't see the horrendous affect it can have in their lives.
I can't help it |
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By (user no longer on site) 33 weeks ago
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Yes, sensible judgment is necessary.
Violence is not a normal part of growing up, or at least it shouldn't be. Group attacks are not OK.
People can (and do) die from one punch. No amount of scrapping/punching is OK. |
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"...he wasn't convicted of assault because he was not the only person involved in that fight...
Correct. He was part of the gang that assaulted the guy a second time outside the club.
How many against one?
Did he, a high profile Limerick sportsman use his stature and influence to stop the a aggressors? No, he participated and deserves the criminal record he got and more.
The net effect is a culture among certain types of men to act with impunity because they have golden boots or a powerful enough lobby that doesn't want a violent convict on their books. I take it you never got into a scrap ever in your life.
Have you ever been convicted of a violent offense?
Would you kick someone lying on the ground?if there were cameras around when I was younger we'd all be convinced for violent disorder but thankfully I grew up but I'm not embarrassed to admit it because yes I was young and stupid and d*unk the same as Kyle was that night and the rest of the people involved in that fight on both sides.
Sorry who on the other side of that "fight" got convicted?
So that's a yes you would kick someone on the ground?I just told the truth I'm not embarrassed about my past I learned from my mistakes I'm not afraid to tell people I was no angel in my youth and I wouldn't change it. You were clearly an angel by the way you can look down from your high horse at the rest of us who made mistakes in our lives hope it keeps well for you
Yes sorry I do look down on people who have kicked/punched helpless victims on the ground and can't see the horrendous affect it can have in their lives.
I can't help it"
you are a lier trying to make yourself look good on here at least I am honest on here. If you judge me on my youth and hold it against me on how I am today I really don't care. |
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By *ustBoWoman 32 weeks ago
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Yes sorry I do look down on people who have kicked/punched helpless victims on the ground and can't see the horrendous affect it can have in their lives.
I can't help it you are a lier trying to make yourself look good on here at least I am honest on here. If you judge me on my youth and hold it against me on how I am today I really don't care. "
Omg are you seriously trying to make out that it is or was normal at any stage of someone's life to be getting in fights and kicking the crap out of someone who is on the ground.
That is vile and disgusting thug behaviour that most people didn't do or think was okay no matter what their age is. And anyone using youth as an excuse is taking shite. Because normal people even when young have the decency and cop on to walk away and definitely to know that kicking the shit out of someone who is down on the ground is disgusting. And while you may think it was normal and okay most people even when young would not and it says a lot about the person you were then and are now that you actually stand up for these actions and down play them as normal and acceptable.
And as for the original point of this thread that sentence was a disgrace and the judge should be held accountable for it. |
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"He should be kicked out of the army
I was just reading the army have started that process.
His superior Officer should be kicked out as well.
Agreed.
I can't understand a superior officer standing over an animal like him. It makes the superior officer and the Army as a whole look complicit.
I don't understand why they allow character references in any trial
Mickey Hart gave one
Guy in Kerry who attacked a woman got one of the local priest
Trial is based on evidence of something that happened in a short period ...not how great he was six months beforehand
I assume the army will say they couldn't prejudice his dismissal case from the army
But they could refuse to send anything on his behalf instead "
John Kiely gave one |
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By *iscuits8Man 32 weeks ago
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"I can't help it you are a lier trying to make yourself look good on here at least I am honest on here. If you judge me on my youth and hold it against me on how I am today I really don't care. "
It's incredible that you're downplaying the Kyle Hayes case to something you think is a regular Saturday night boys-will-be-boys occurence. It's not. Total wrong 'un attitude and Kyle Hayes is filth. |
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By *og-ManMan 32 weeks ago
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"Judge Tom O'Donnell notorious for giving slap on the wrists instead of proper sentences. He should also be struck off."
Same with Judge Nolan in Dublin
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"I can't help it you are a lier trying to make yourself look good on here at least I am honest on here. If you judge me on my youth and hold it against me on how I am today I really don't care.
It's incredible that you're downplaying the Kyle Hayes case to something you think is a regular Saturday night boys-will-be-boys occurence. It's not. Total wrong 'un attitude and Kyle Hayes is filth."
so on one hand you are defending a lady on here and on the other hand you are calling a fella who stood up for a lady filth. The fella who got a beating from a group of fella wouldn't take NO for an answer but you seem to be ok with that just to get a dig in on Kyle Hayes. |
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By (user no longer on site) 32 weeks ago
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Prisons are full, that's part of the problem. Not enough step down facilities for when they get out. If they can pay compensation to the victim, they are more likely to get suspended sentences, money talks, but €3k to the victim was nothing, should ve been €10 K.
I remember years ago (20+), hearing about a guy who bit part of another guys ear off during a brawl, he was ordered to pay 400 pounds compensation. I think it was pounds, at the time. Seemed v little to me, and I said that and was more or less told by some crotchety old male relatives, to shut the fuck up.
Boys will be boys culture. FUCK DA PATRIARCHY! |
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"I can't help it you are a lier trying to make yourself look good on here at least I am honest on here. If you judge me on my youth and hold it against me on how I am today I really don't care.
It's incredible that you're downplaying the Kyle Hayes case to something you think is a regular Saturday night boys-will-be-boys occurence. It's not. Total wrong 'un attitude and Kyle Hayes is filth.so on one hand you are defending a lady on here and on the other hand you are calling a fella who stood up for a lady filth. The fella who got a beating from a group of fella wouldn't take NO for an answer but you seem to be ok with that just to get a dig in on Kyle Hayes."
Kyle Hayes can't take the law into his own hands, he is not a vigilante. |
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100% we live in a (hopefully) civilised society. It's up to the Gards to arrest (without the need of physical force if possible, especially not excessive force) and for the courts to decide a suitable punishment. It's not a citizens job to be the judge, jury and executioner.
At most a citizen should step in to protect and de-escalate the situation if necessary. |
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Two wrongs don't make a right. Even if the guy wouldn't take no for an answer and when confronted, he was the one who got physical towards someone, the correct response would be to back away and call the Gards.
I don't know the situation fully. But if you say this guy was the bad guy, then did beating him up have the intended outcome you had hoped? Doesn't look like it. |
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By *iscuits8Man 32 weeks ago
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"I can't help it you are a lier trying to make yourself look good on here at least I am honest on here. If you judge me on my youth and hold it against me on how I am today I really don't care.
It's incredible that you're downplaying the Kyle Hayes case to something you think is a regular Saturday night boys-will-be-boys occurence. It's not. Total wrong 'un attitude and Kyle Hayes is filth.so on one hand you are defending a lady on here and on the other hand you are calling a fella who stood up for a lady filth. The fella who got a beating from a group of fella wouldn't take NO for an answer but you seem to be ok with that just to get a dig in on Kyle Hayes."
Genuinely can't believe what an idiot you're being here.
Hayes couldn't let the incident pass and decided to follow it up later on by beating a fella to a pulp with a gang of lads behind him.
Crotty is scum, and Hayes is scum. Simple as. |
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By *og-ManMan 32 weeks ago
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Judge Tom O’Donnell, who last week gave a suspended sentence to a soldier who beat a woman unconscious, imposed in 2018 only a fine on another soldier convicted of careless driving causing death. O’Donnell said he didn’t want the man’s Defence Forces career impeded “in any way”.
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"Apparently Crotty's father is accusing the media of causing the uproar and thinks his precious son's conviction was correct. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, does it  "
This is where the blame truly lies, parents not teaching their sons how to be men. Showing them what a real man looks like and not some coward who attacks a woman and runs off as soon as someone came to her assistance. |
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"Apparently Crotty's father is accusing the media of causing the uproar and thinks his precious son's conviction was correct. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, does it
This is where the blame truly lies, parents not teaching their sons how to be men. Showing them what a real man looks like and not some coward who attacks a woman and runs off as soon as someone came to her assistance. "
Agreed
Himself and his father are victims too though, by nature and by nurture. The cycle goes on and on. |
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"Judge Tom O’Donnell, who last week gave a suspended sentence to a soldier who beat a woman unconscious, imposed in 2018 only a fine on another soldier convicted of careless driving causing death. O’Donnell said he didn’t want the man’s Defence Forces career impeded “in any way”.
Found this online tonight "
If this is true, the poor judge has forgotten what he learned in Kings Inns. A soldier who is found guilty( of anything) will get a dishonourable discharge from the army, regardless of what the judge says in court. |
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