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By *og-ManMan 43 weeks ago
somewhere |
I think his ex partner holds the key now
She got badly beaten by him and I think was afraid of him ...maybe she'd do an interview
The Guards fucked up big time ...I mean how do you lose a gate that could have held DNA |
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I think it's sad tbh. He died on the street and the only thing people can talk about is did he or didn't he. 20 yrs of investigations and never found guilty. I don't know if he did it or not but maybe a bit of respect for the dead for one day is deserved. |
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By *erry cMan 43 weeks ago
Longford westmeath |
"I think it's sad tbh. He died on the street and the only thing people can talk about is did he or didn't he. 20 yrs of investigations and never found guilty. I don't know if he did it or not but maybe a bit of respect for the dead for one day is deserved. "
absolutely agree with u
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"Love her or loathe her but Gemma Doherty has written probably the most plausible hypothesis that I've read on the case. Look it up.
RIP  "
She did. There was rumours in cork for years pretty much saying the same thing |
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"Love her or loathe her but Gemma Doherty has written probably the most plausible hypothesis that I've read on the case. Look it up.
RIP
She did. There was rumours in cork for years pretty much saying the same thing "
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"For the purpose of closure it would be important to uncover the truth. "
It would - for the sake of justice for all involved, including him.
If he was innocent the world gave him cruel punishment.
If he were guily than society probably punished him more than the courts would have.
There are no winners in this sad situation. |
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By *aseylee324Couple 43 weeks ago
Valley of Squinting Windows |
"For the purpose of closure it would be important to uncover the truth.
It would - for the sake of justice for all involved, including him.
If he was innocent the world gave him cruel punishment.
If he were guily than society probably punished him more than the courts would have.
There are no winners in this sad situation. "
I agree with this, his former partner has already said she never believed him guilty of the crime. Unfortunately, short of the unlikely scenario of someone developing a conscience after all these years, the truth will probably never come out. |
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By (user no longer on site) 43 weeks ago
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"The man was never found guilty but the press never accepted his innocence.
Used to see him at the Schull Market during the summer, a mix of curiosity and wonderment "
Don't forget he tried to clear his name and sue the press twice and failed.
And in the first case, alot of stuff came to light that the local community new individually but no collectively. After that the eye was in him even more.
Nobody wants to see someone drop dead on the side of the street....but he did himself no favours and always kept himself in the limelight for a crime he constantly claims he didn't commit...
After watching both documentaries, it's still a head scratcher , there's still a few things that don't add up to his number , but there's definitely enough to make an equation.
I watched the Jim Sheridans on sky first , and then the netflicks one, and what i noticed on the flicks one is he definitely a different beast with alcohol on him , at one point he was gonna open up about something, but his better judgement overuked the truth juice just in time
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The man was never found guilty of a crime relating to this case in this jurisdiction (outside of that sham 'trial' in France).
He seemed a bit creepy, strange and nearly enjoyed the limelight but none of that is a crime.
The guards fucked up this case from the start so unfortunately, that's where we need to look if upset about justice not being provided for Sophie's family.
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By *og-ManMan 43 weeks ago
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Reading the papers this morning and they are of the opinion that he did it and they present their evidence
His ex partner still says he didn't do it in an interview she gave after his death
I wonder will it take a death bed confession from someone before the truth comes out eventually |
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The only thing this case ever exposed, if we didn't know it already, was how totally and utterly corrupt the Gardai are.
Not sure the latest commissioner improved it much, but all the previous ones were corrupted to the core. So much so, you'd have to question the involvement of one as a suspect in this case!? |
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"The only thing this case ever exposed, if we didn't know it already, was how totally and utterly corrupt the Gardai are.
Not sure the latest commissioner improved it much, but all the previous ones were corrupted to the core. So much so, you'd have to question the involvement of one as a suspect in this case!?"
Gardai shown up for sure in this case, it made me cringe watching it on Netflix.. outsiders must really think we are Ballygobackwards over here. |
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"The missing gate just doesn't add up. How could the gardai "lose" a gate, a gate covered in DNA? "
Indeed, I don't think incompetence can even account for that. The investigation was flawed from the very start... |
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"The missing gate just doesn't add up. How could the gardai "lose" a gate, a gate covered in DNA?
Indeed, I don't think incompetence can even account for that. The investigation was flawed from the very start..."
There is more to that than just incompetence.
After a certain stage in the investigation, the Gardai made great effort to appear as incompetent as possible. |
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By *etergemmaCouple 43 weeks ago
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"The missing gate just doesn't add up. How could the gardai "lose" a gate, a gate covered in DNA?
Indeed, I don't think incompetence can even account for that. The investigation was flawed from the very start...
There is more to that than just incompetence.
After a certain stage in the investigation, the Gardai made great effort to appear as incompetent as possible."
Absolutely
And considering the Garda actually have a really good record of solving murders, makes it even more surprising. |
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By *habMan 43 weeks ago
Boomtown |
"And considering the Garda actually have a really good record of solving murders, makes it even more surprising."
It's a little like the Kerry Babies Case, they may not be good at investigating their own |
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"And considering the Garda actually have a really good record of solving murders, makes it even more surprising.
It's a little like the Kerry Babies Case, they may not be good at investigating their own "
It stinks of the Kerry babies and the cover of one of their own.
Nail a scapegoat from day one. Slander their name. Fumble around the evidence with no real conviction to ever use it, while continuously pressing others into false statements on the scapegoat!...bring a useless case to court/DPP that inevitable fails. Draw it out and let time take it away! |
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Nail a scapegoat from day one. Slander their name. Fumble around the evidence with no real conviction to ever use it, while continuously pressing others into false statements on the scapegoat!...bring a useless case to court/DPP that inevitable fails. Draw it out and let time take it away!"
Nail on the head..
If anything Bailey was just the perfect candidate if anyone was looking for a scapegoat imo (weird, creepy, enjoys attention, drank alot, domestic violence issues etc..). |
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By (user no longer on site) 43 weeks ago
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Guilty as sin. All the people in schull will tell u he did it. He was up the next day and got rid of all the evidence at her house and the gate too. Aah well I hope his ex tells all |
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"Guilty as sin. All the people in schull will tell u he did it. He was up the next day and got rid of all the evidence at her house and the gate too. Aah well I hope his ex tells all "
What are you talking about, the gate was evidence collected by the guards and the gatw was disposed by Forensic Science Ireland (or whatever the equivalent was back then)...
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"Guilty as sin. All the people in schull will tell u he did it. He was up the next day and got rid of all the evidence at her house and the gate too. Aah well I hope his ex tells all "
Lots of people in Schull with questions to answer and questions to ask themselves over all this. A strange man.
Coincidentally, that was one of the Gardai's initially stories about Bailey.
"How was he there first in the morning, how did he know?"
Just forgetting he was a journalist that regularly reported for print radio and tv. He'd received a call from a newspaper in Dublin who'd been notified by the Garda press office of the murder and was asked to go and report on it.
The Gardai lost the gate in evidence, they lost a 10ft farmers gate!! How has nobody been made to answer for that alone?
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By *aseylee324Couple 43 weeks ago
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The Gardai lost the gate in evidence, they lost a 10ft farmers gate!! How has nobody been made to answer for that alone?
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It's an impressive achievement alright, wonder if there's a Guinness Book of Records category.... |
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By *og-ManMan 43 weeks ago
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I don't think I was ever aware of the missing gate until the documentary....was it well known and I just missed it
Also a huge amount of different stories and missed clues
I wonder will someone write a definitive version of it now
I'd imagine his solicitor is mightily pissed off now since the various court cases will come to a halt and I'd imagine he's out of pocket |
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"From what I have been told by locals most of Schull think hes guilty.
However.. the missing gate as already mentioned.
Thats stinks so bad."
The Gardai trying to strong arm local rogues into statements, threatening to report them for selling drugs to then actually giving them drugs in return for dodgy statements and information.
The level of corruption in the Gardai was never going to allow this case be solved. |
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There is every possibility that there was no evidence of the perpetrator on the gate. Yes it was unfortunate for it to have gone missing but I dont think it would have swung the case either way or that whole case was hinged upon this one item of evidence.
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By *asual777Man 43 weeks ago
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He was convicted in France of a violent killing . Will we greet Gary glitter’s death with wishing that he Rest In Peace ? What that family have gone through is unbelievable and still no closure and there will never be . He was convicted so I have no opinions on the matter |
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"There is every possibility that there was no evidence of the perpetrator on the gate. Yes it was unfortunate for it to have gone missing but I dont think it would have swung the case either way or that whole case was hinged upon this one item of evidence.
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Your probably right, it might not have been a major piece of evidence for proving anything. It's mainly just another part of the whole fiasco. |
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"He was convicted in France of a violent killing . Will we greet Gary glitter’s death with wishing that he Rest In Peace ? What that family have gone through is unbelievable and still no closure and there will never be . He was convicted so I have no opinions on the matter "
The conviction in France was embarrassing. Made a mockery of the French justice system.
However, it did show that her family has connections in high places in French society, for such a sham trial to even take place. |
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By *aseylee324Couple 43 weeks ago
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"He was convicted in France of a violent killing . Will we greet Gary glitter’s death with wishing that he Rest In Peace ? What that family have gone through is unbelievable and still no closure and there will never be . He was convicted so I have no opinions on the matter
The conviction in France was embarrassing. Made a mockery of the French justice system.
However, it did show that her family has connections in high places in French society, for such a sham trial to even take place."
Most of the "evidence" used in the French trial would be inadmissible under Irish law. I for one am happy we have a justice system where hearsay and rumour are not regarded as proof. |
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"He was convicted in France of a violent killing . Will we greet Gary glitter’s death with wishing that he Rest In Peace ? What that family have gone through is unbelievable and still no closure and there will never be . He was convicted so I have no opinions on the matter
The conviction in France was embarrassing. Made a mockery of the French justice system.
However, it did show that her family has connections in high places in French society, for such a sham trial to even take place.
Most of the "evidence" used in the French trial would be inadmissible under Irish law. I for one am happy we have a justice system where hearsay and rumour are not regarded as proof. "
Absolutely
In this day an age the "evidence" they used would-be thrown out in any western, democratic country. |
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"Gary glitter’s conviction was in Vietnam. I don’t go round rating my confidence In judicial systems . "
Glitter was convicted and jailed in the UK when substantial evidence was discovered on his laptop. He was reported by a repair technician! |
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By *oghunter33Woman 43 weeks ago
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"The man was never found guilty of a crime relating to this case in this jurisdiction (outside of that sham 'trial' in France).
He seemed a bit creepy, strange and nearly enjoyed the limelight but none of that is a crime.
The guards fucked up this case from the start so unfortunately, that's where we need to look if upset about justice not being provided for Sophie's family.
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This sums up my thoughts neatly. An eccentric British man is a perfect scapegoat for a rural setting.
RIP Ian Bailey. |
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By *aseylee324Couple 43 weeks ago
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"And also in Vietnam . I am just saying that to simultaneously call our Gardai investigation incompetent then state that our judicial system is superior to France’s is convenient "
Every system has its flaws, I would still prefer one where actual evidence is required to convict. |
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Lots of things look like incompetence but we're clearly done to hamper the investigation or find a scapegoat...
Missing gate (in fairness it didn't go missing, it was decided it held no value to the investigation and was disposed of)..
The guards coerced a local woman to say she seen Bailey driving from the direction of the scene when she didn't..
That's not normal investigation behaviour |
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"Lots of things look like incompetence but we're clearly done to hamper the investigation or find a scapegoat...
Missing gate (in fairness it didn't go missing, it was decided it held no value to the investigation and was disposed of)..
The guards coerced a local woman to say she seen Bailey driving from the direction of the scene when she didn't..
That's not normal investigation behaviour "
Spot on. There was far more than incompetence going on once the guards figured out who actually did it. He's dead now so there will be no deathbed confessions either.
Shocking to think what people will put others through in order to protect their own interests. |
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By (user no longer on site) 43 weeks ago
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"What a divisive figure. With 2 netflix series and 2 decades he passed away today and we have no answers.
Wonder if the truth will ever come out. "
The truth could already be out, it's just nobody believed him |
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"And also in Vietnam . I am just saying that to simultaneously call our Gardai investigation incompetent then state that our judicial system is superior to France’s is convenient "
It's just that the DPP didn't prosecute because there was no case.
The French, obviously due to pressure form those in high society, held a kangaroo court with no evidence and found him guilty.
It was embarrassing.
It may have also just been done to placate the family! |
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"The man was never found guilty of a crime relating to this case in this jurisdiction (outside of that sham 'trial' in France).
He seemed a bit creepy, strange and nearly enjoyed the limelight but none of that is a crime.
The guards fucked up this case from the start so unfortunately, that's where we need to look if upset about justice not being provided for Sophie's family.
This sums up my thoughts neatly. An eccentric British man is a perfect scapegoat for a rural setting.
RIP Ian Bailey. "
There is definitely an element of "The Field" about the locals in Schull.
He was a very unliked man by the locals and for obvious reasons. But it shouldn't be forgotten...so was she!
Shed had disagreements with neighbours and locals...and had one over land also...Those rarely ended well in rural Ireland. |
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If we're to look at the facts then the conclusion is very straightforward. Ian Bailey was not convicted of murder! Therefore he has the right to be presumed innocent until proven otherwise. Trial by media and social media in particular is very dangerous! We can all be armchair detectives but anything we come up with is purely speculation. The whole investigation stinks,that much we do know! At the end of the day there is a family in France that have lost a loved one and a man in Cork that has been hounded for 2 decades, regardless of his personality type! The truth may never come out and that is sad...I just hope they can both rest in peace! |
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"I heard from a close friend from the area prior to Christmas that he got a hiding off a bunch of lads from the city, he withdrew from the town and the market after that, could obviously be bs."
That's true unfortunately |
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"For the purpose of closure it would be important to uncover the truth.
It would - for the sake of justice for all involved, including him.
If he was innocent the world gave him cruel punishment.
If he were guily than society probably punished him more than the courts would have.
There are no winners in this sad situation.
I agree with this, his former partner has already said she never believed him guilty of the crime. Unfortunately, short of the unlikely scenario of someone developing a conscience after all these years, the truth will probably never come out."
The truth most likely will be found in France |
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By (user no longer on site) 43 weeks ago
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I don't understand how Bailey continued to live in Cork if he was guilty.... you'd think he'd have being outta there....but maybe he thought if he did leave Cork that he'd look guilty....
His ex gave a brief interview there on RTE News....She claims he's not guilty & he could never keep a secret....I guess she means he'd never be able to keep it to himself if he did murder Sophie.... |
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A lot of time has passed and in many ways we are no nearer to a definite truth. I listened to radio this morning and heard an almost assassination of the man's character even though guilt has never been proven. I don't know did he do it or not but I don't believe supposition and handy talk is necessary now. I say may himself and Sophie both Rest In Peace.
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By *astello OP Woman 43 weeks ago
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So many questions are yet to be answered. Perhaps some new evidence may emerge now he is gone. Whilst he was a narcissist in many ways, he wasn't convicted in the Irish Courts for murder. The truth lies in Schull in my opinion. In time it may be uncovered. |
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"So many questions are yet to be answered. Perhaps some new evidence may emerge now he is gone. Whilst he was a narcissist in many ways, he wasn't convicted in the Irish Courts for murder. The truth lies in Schull in my opinion. In time it may be uncovered. "
Bailey himself thought the truth lay in France. I'm inclined to agree that Schull itself has the answers. |
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"The missing gate just doesn't add up. How could the gardai "lose" a gate, a gate covered in DNA? "
I remember hearing this on a podcast I was listening to about it,has to be the most kilinascully thing I've ever heard |
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By (user no longer on site) 43 weeks ago
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"The missing gate just doesn't add up. How could the gardai "lose" a gate, a gate covered in DNA?
I remember hearing this on a podcast I was listening to about it,has to be the most kilinascully thing I've ever heard "
I agree....You just couldn't make this shit up....wtf.... How could anyone lose a gate....I never knew about this missing gate that could have been covered in the murderers dna & vital evidence till I read this thread.... |
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The Gsoc case into the alleged police mishandling/corruption tells you all you need to know. You should go read it which gives you a different perspective on the handling of the Baily case. This wasn't simply incompetence, it was a set up job 
"Bailey, Thomas and a woman named Marie Farrell made allegations against the police that amounted to corruption. Gsoc began inquiries into this, in 2012, by asking the gardai for documentation.
In November 2012, after eight months waiting for documents, GSOC was given 32 witness statements. After two more months, the police delivered the rest of the required documentation.
In the meantime, before the gardai coughed up a single document, Ian Bailey had provided Gsoc with 623 witness statements he had acquired in litigation.
In September 2013, Gsoc asked the Garda Siochana for files on suspects in the killing. It was told five such files are missing. These include files on Bailey, Thomas and three other suspects.
The files on five suspects disappeared. Five official police files, held in secure custody, with only the police having access, disappeared.
Gsoc asked the police if anything else was missing.
Three months later, the police produced a list of exhibits they couldn't find - 22 of them. Including Ian Bailey's diary and his overcoat.
And, of course, the blood-spattered garden gate.
Oh, yes, and let's not forget the 139 missing witness statements. "These included witness statements from Garda members, forensic scientists and members of the public."
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Shameful that it wasn't solved. Everything points to Bailey been guilty.
Scratches on his arms. (Says it was from cutting diwn Xmas trees. Like who wants Xmas trees the day before Xmas eve?)
Left his house on the night she was killed.
Has history of violence with women.(Why did he flee from UK?).
Passenger seat in her car was extended back to the last(to accommodate a tall man?).
Been a journalist he had a way with words and knew how to play the guards and media. All things considered the finger points firmly at him.
There hasn't been another suspect.
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"Shameful that it wasn't solved. Everything points to Bailey been guilty.
Scratches on his arms. (Says it was from cutting diwn Xmas trees. Like who wants Xmas trees the day before Xmas eve?)
Left his house on the night she was killed.
Has history of violence with women.(Why did he flee from UK?).
Passenger seat in her car was extended back to the last(to accommodate a tall man?).
Been a journalist he had a way with words and knew how to play the guards and media. All things considered the finger points firmly at him.
There hasn't been another suspect.
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Little to nothing points to him. He was a dickehead and a bit of fool who thought himself smarter than the locals, obnoxious. But doesn't make him a murderer.
How Marie Farrell has never been prosecuted either is very strange. Shes a fantasist and a liar who's original statements concocted with the Gardai are the only things linking Bailey to anything. |
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Interestingly enough, it appears her and her husband had an open relationship. She had numerous lovers over the years with some visiting West Cork with her.
One of them got angry with her after she dumped him. He approached her on numerous occasions in France, twice aggressively and the second time attempting to chok& her in public at a tube station, with bystanders having to pry him off her! |
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By *og-ManMan 43 weeks ago
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I haven't a clue who did or didn't do it
Always assumed it was him and once while walking with my family past him at a market I made sure to push the kids out of his way because I felt a bit frightened by him to be honest.
The other thing I don't understand is the total lack of DNA evidence
She was badly beaten with very bad scratches and cuts and fought her attacker
Yet nothing on her at all
That's incredible
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"Shameful that it wasn't solved. Everything points to Bailey been guilty.
Scratches on his arms. (Says it was from cutting diwn Xmas trees. Like who wants Xmas trees the day before Xmas eve?)
Left his house on the night she was killed.
Has history of violence with women.(Why did he flee from UK?).
Passenger seat in her car was extended back to the last(to accommodate a tall man?).
Been a journalist he had a way with words and knew how to play the guards and media. All things considered the finger points firmly at him.
There hasn't been another suspect.
Little to nothing points to him. He was a dickehead and a bit of fool who thought himself smarter than the locals, obnoxious. But doesn't make him a murderer.
How Marie Farrell has never been prosecuted either is very strange. Shes a fantasist and a liar who's original statements concocted with the Gardai are the only things linking Bailey to anything."
Do you think/believe he was cutting down Xmas trees on Dec 23rd and that it's a pure coincidence he left his house(JTs house) on the night of the murder? |
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Do you think/believe he was cutting down Xmas trees on Dec 23rd and that it's a pure coincidence he left his house(JTs house) on the night of the murder?"
He could have been, he's a pure eccentric, God only knows what he'd be at.
According to JT herself, when he got up in the morning, he was full of life, happy that he'd finished a written article overnight, and he showed it to her in the kitchen.
He did also have a studio a 100yrds from their house where he worked regularly. All plausible, none of it was peculiar to JT.
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"Shameful that it wasn't solved. Everything points to Bailey been guilty.
Scratches on his arms. (Says it was from cutting diwn Xmas trees. Like who wants Xmas trees the day before Xmas eve?)
Left his house on the night she was killed.
Has history of violence with women.(Why did he flee from UK?).
Passenger seat in her car was extended back to the last(to accommodate a tall man?).
Been a journalist he had a way with words and knew how to play the guards and media. All things considered the finger points firmly at him.
There hasn't been another suspect.
Little to nothing points to him. He was a dickehead and a bit of fool who thought himself smarter than the locals, obnoxious. But doesn't make him a murderer.
How Marie Farrell has never been prosecuted either is very strange. Shes a fantasist and a liar who's original statements concocted with the Gardai are the only things linking Bailey to anything."
The whole Marie Farrell thing is very very fucked up. Something not at all right there. She either craved attention and the lime light and made everything up or she knows something |
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"Shameful that it wasn't solved. Everything points to Bailey been guilty.
Scratches on his arms. (Says it was from cutting diwn Xmas trees. Like who wants Xmas trees the day before Xmas eve?)
Left his house on the night she was killed.
Has history of violence with women.(Why did he flee from UK?).
Passenger seat in her car was extended back to the last(to accommodate a tall man?).
Been a journalist he had a way with words and knew how to play the guards and media. All things considered the finger points firmly at him.
There hasn't been another suspect.
Little to nothing points to him. He was a dickehead and a bit of fool who thought himself smarter than the locals, obnoxious. But doesn't make him a murderer.
How Marie Farrell has never been prosecuted either is very strange. Shes a fantasist and a liar who's original statements concocted with the Gardai are the only things linking Bailey to anything.
The whole Marie Farrell thing is very very fucked up. Something not at all right there. She either craved attention and the lime light and made everything up or she knows something"
She had been out having an affair, not sure if the man was in the car with her or she was just on her way home alone that night.
His name has never been released, but Gardai confirmed that we was definitely not in the Schull area that night....With the protection they gave him, I'd be inclined to believe he was a Guard. |
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"Shameful that it wasn't solved. Everything points to Bailey been guilty.
1. Scratches on his arms. (Says it was from cutting diwn Xmas trees. Like who wants Xmas trees the day before Xmas eve?)
2. Left his house on the night she was killed.
3. Has history of violence with women.(Why did he flee from UK?).
4. Passenger seat in her car was extended back to the last(to accommodate a tall man?).
5. Been a journalist he had a way with words and knew how to play the guards and media.
6.All things considered the finger points firmly at him.
7.There hasn't been another suspect.
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I can't make sense of this, if we were convicting people of murder based on what you have typed here half the country would be up on charges 
1. Who cares if he has scratches on his arms? Are you saying the murder victim fought him? Then his DNA would be under her nails or on her body, which is wasn't. More probable reason was that he scratched his arm..
2. I'm sure there was probably a couple of hundred people within 20km of her home that left their house on the night of the murder? Like wtf does that mean?
3. History of violence against woman is terrible but that doesn't mean he was a murder, an asshole or scumbag maybe, but not a killer.
4. Passenger seat in the car moved back all the way so must be a tall man???? Are you serious? She could have been transporting something in it previously and moved it back, she could have been having sex in it and moved it back, the guards could have moved it and forgot..
5. Because he has a way with words he magically tricked the guards to get away with murder?? 
6. Yes, the guards have pointed the finger at him but never got close to proving anything, nothing, not even close after all these years..
7. Because the investigation team didn't look for other suspects doesn't mean there are no other suspects |
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"Shameful that it wasn't solved. Everything points to Bailey been guilty.
1. Scratches on his arms. (Says it was from cutting diwn Xmas trees. Like who wants Xmas trees the day before Xmas eve?)
2. Left his house on the night she was killed.
3. Has history of violence with women.(Why did he flee from UK?).
4. Passenger seat in her car was extended back to the last(to accommodate a tall man?).
5. Been a journalist he had a way with words and knew how to play the guards and media.
6.All things considered the finger points firmly at him.
7.There hasn't been another suspect.
I can't make sense of this, if we were convicting people of murder based on what you have typed here half the country would be up on charges
1. Who cares if he has scratches on his arms? Are you saying the murder victim fought him? Then his DNA would be under her nails or on her body, which is wasn't. More probable reason was that he scratched his arm..
2. I'm sure there was probably a couple of hundred people within 20km of her home that left their house on the night of the murder? Like wtf does that mean?
3. History of violence against woman is terrible but that doesn't mean he was a murder, an asshole or scumbag maybe, but not a killer.
4. Passenger seat in the car moved back all the way so must be a tall man???? Are you serious? She could have been transporting something in it previously and moved it back, she could have been having sex in it and moved it back, the guards could have moved it and forgot..
5. Because he has a way with words he magically tricked the guards to get away with murder??
6. Yes, the guards have pointed the finger at him but never got close to proving anything, nothing, not even close after all these years..
7. Because the investigation team didn't look for other suspects doesn't mean there are no other suspects "
The car was also a car hire, she could have receiced it that way.
According to files its at least a 36min walk from house to house.
We're saying he got up in the middle of the night, in winter, walked there up the country booreens, had an altercation with her, and in a frenzied attack he brutally murdered her as she ran down the lane.
Then, he just walked home got changed and got back into bed beside his partner...and didn't leave a shred of evidence?
Even where Marie Farrell claimed she saw him on the road, that would not have been his route home, it's totally out the way!
He was an odious individual, a pish speaking scumbag. He had a strange personality, which made him his own worst enemy. But there never was a single thing linking him to her or her death. |
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All I'll say is ....
I'm sure there'll be new documentaries on this 'cold case'....I'm kinda getting intrigued by it tbh....How on earth did the Detectives & Gardai mislay a gate though that had major evidence as in DNA....Someone did mention previously in this thread that they lost the gate ....like how is that possible? Seriously....
As someone else said the murder victim fought back....So where's the DNA under her finger nails.... |
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"All I'll say is ....
I'm sure there'll be new documentaries on this 'cold case'....I'm kinda getting intrigued by it tbh....How on earth did the Detectives & Gardai mislay a gate though that had major evidence as in DNA....Someone did mention previously in this thread that they lost the gate ....like how is that possible? Seriously....
As someone else said the murder victim fought back....So where's the DNA under her finger nails...."
It's easily exhume her body....not unless she was cremated.... I'll stop referring to her as she....
Rest in Peace Sophie....X |
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Alot of people in West Cork know more than what they are saying, but some of the Gardaí of the day are still active and covered for each other. There was more than the gate went missing. Apparently Sophie had information on a few Gardaí and was about to release it but never got the chance !! |
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I'm sure there'll be new documentaries on this 'cold case'....I'm kinda getting intrigued by it tbh....How on earth did the Detectives & Gardai mislay a gate though that had major evidence as in DNA....Someone did mention previously in this thread that they lost the gate ....like how is that possible? Seriously....
As someone else said the murder victim fought back....So where's the DNA under her finger nails...."
My understanding is that the didn't 'lose' the gate, they decided there was no further benefit from an evidence perspective to keep it and instructed it to be disposed which is insane..
They did lose Bailey's diary, his coat, tons of witness statements so they were a forgetful bunch in that Garda station.. |
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An already weird guy that became a lot weirder because of 27 years of baseless accusations.
He was a bit naive and stubborn to think he could change public opinion, where actual facts and evidence are often secondary.
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"All I'll say is ....
I'm sure there'll be new documentaries on this 'cold case'....I'm kinda getting intrigued by it tbh....How on earth did the Detectives & Gardai mislay a gate though that had major evidence as in DNA....Someone did mention previously in this thread that they lost the gate ....like how is that possible? Seriously....
As someone else said the murder victim fought back....So where's the DNA under her finger nails....
My understanding is that the didn't 'lose' the gate, they decided there was no further benefit from an evidence perspective to keep it and instructed it to be disposed which is insane..
They did lose Bailey's diary, his coat, tons of witness statements so they were a forgetful bunch in that Garda station.. "
The Gardai had files opened on 5 suspects in this case, 3 of those case files were lost! |
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"All I'll say is ....
I'm sure there'll be new documentaries on this 'cold case'....I'm kinda getting intrigued by it tbh....How on earth did the Detectives & Gardai mislay a gate though that had major evidence as in DNA....Someone did mention previously in this thread that they lost the gate ....like how is that possible? Seriously....
As someone else said the murder victim fought back....So where's the DNA under her finger nails....
My understanding is that the didn't 'lose' the gate, they decided there was no further benefit from an evidence perspective to keep it and instructed it to be disposed which is insane..
They did lose Bailey's diary, his coat, tons of witness statements so they were a forgetful bunch in that Garda station..
The Gardai had files opened on 5 suspects in this case, 3 of those case files were lost!"
yes question remains why ? Rumour has it theres guilty guards out there being covered up |
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By *oghunter33Woman 43 weeks ago
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"Shameful that it wasn't solved. Everything points to Bailey been guilty.
Scratches on his arms. (Says it was from cutting diwn Xmas trees. Like who wants Xmas trees the day before Xmas eve?)
Left his house on the night she was killed.
Has history of violence with women.(Why did he flee from UK?).
Passenger seat in her car was extended back to the last(to accommodate a tall man?).
Been a journalist he had a way with words and knew how to play the guards and media. All things considered the finger points firmly at him.
There hasn't been another suspect.
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It's not about what you know, it's about what you can prove, nothing can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he's guilty or to the contrary, everything is just opinions and speculation. Clearly the guards erred in parts of the investigation but that's not enough to prove guilt. |
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"Also, DNA wasn't much of an option back then unfortunately. Well in Ireland at least"
The Kerry babies case may have been another fiasco of an investigation but at least they stored samples in 1984 which were later used to identify baby John's parents. Why weren't they able to do the same with this case in 1996? The case would have been solved by now. |
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The podcast called West Cork is a very good listen for anybody interested. Well researched, lots of detail and some great interviews and recordings of her family and many of those involved, Gardai, solicitors, witnesses, neighbours, etc.
It's a case that will fascinate for years and tragic that Sopgie and her family never got justice. |
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By *oghunter33Woman 43 weeks ago
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"RTE news just annocunt Garda has seize his laptop, Memory sticks and Notebooks from his flat...
why didn't Garda seek court for search warrant before his death...
what a joke"
It's rather rank. It fits in though with the Garda's dilettantish and seriously flawed investigation. |
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By *aseylee324Couple 43 weeks ago
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"RTE news just annocunt Garda has seize his laptop, Memory sticks and Notebooks from his flat...
why didn't Garda seek court for search warrant before his death...
what a joke
It's rather rank. It fits in though with the Garda's dilettantish and seriously flawed investigation. "
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By *oo32Man 43 weeks ago
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"And considering the Garda actually have a really good record of solving murders, makes it even more surprising.
It's a little like the Kerry Babies Case, they may not be good at investigating their own "
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"And considering the Garda actually have a really good record of solving murders, makes it even more surprising.
It's a little like the Kerry Babies Case, they may not be good at investigating their own
Did this comment go unnoticed,makes sense"
When you consider how the man in the car with Marie Farrell has never been named or pursued, you'd be forgiven for thinking he was a guard. But they coverd by saying they wanted to protect her marriage!!
The only man we know for sure that attacked Sophie, twice, in the previous months/years, had been to West Cork with her before she dumped him, has never been questioned.
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So I just watched the Sophie documentary. So frustrating. Some observations...
The gate was taken away but went missing. How is this possible only someone was out to do away with the evidence. Someone within....?
That detective Dermot Dwyer laughing away through it all. Made my blood boil. Here we have an unsolved murder and he's joking and laughing. Came across as a bit of a gombeen who certainly wouldn't inspire.
Marie Farrell. Which statement was true and why did she change it? She should have been interrogated.
Several witnesses said Bailey knew Sophie.
The ineptitude of the guards etc.
Surely if a person admits they are the murderer it's enough to charge him
And I'd say Jules Thomas knows way more than she's letting on. |
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"So I just watched the Sophie documentary. So frustrating. Some observations...
The gate was taken away but went missing. How is this possible only someone was out to do away with the evidence. Someone within....?
That detective Dermot Dwyer laughing away through it all. Made my blood boil. Here we have an unsolved murder and he's joking and laughing. Came across as a bit of a gombeen who certainly wouldn't inspire.
Marie Farrell. Which statement was true and why did she change it? She should have been interrogated.
Several witnesses said Bailey knew Sophie.
The ineptitude of the guards etc.
Surely if a person admits they are the murderer it's enough to charge him
And I'd say Jules Thomas knows way more than she's letting on. "
Marie Farrell is a compulsive liar, she even phoned Baileys solicitor to tell him she was a liar. She lied in court under oath numerous times in one day. All of her statements should be discarded.
She was one of those nosey aul gossipers around town, she enjoyed the importance and being "in" with guards, and they used and corrupted her.
Bailey was a very strange individual, him and Thomas were well met. A strange, dark lady. Every partner she had including her children's father/fathers assaulted her. Nobody could ever understand why she stayed with Bailey. He was extremely violent towards her on numerous occasions. |
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Marie Farrell is a compulsive liar, she even phoned Baileys solicitor to tell him she was a liar. She lied in court under oath numerous times in one day. All of her statements should be discarded.
Begs the question what wasn't she charged for perjury and wasting garda time. |
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"Marie Farrell is a compulsive liar, she even phoned Baileys solicitor to tell him she was a liar. She lied in court under oath numerous times in one day. All of her statements should be discarded.
Begs the question what wasn't she charged for perjury and wasting garda time. "
I suppose it nearly answers itself. If the guards brought her to court for perjury there'd be a tribunal after it.
Half the investigating guards would have got P45s, Bailey would sue for a fortune, and Sophies whole case would have collapsed, they'd be back to square one.
By accident, Farrell made herself untouchable. |
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"So I just watched the Sophie documentary. So frustrating. Some observations...
The gate was taken away but went missing. How is this possible only someone was out to do away with the evidence. Someone within....?
That detective Dermot Dwyer laughing away through it all. Made my blood boil. Here we have an unsolved murder and he's joking and laughing. Came across as a bit of a gombeen who certainly wouldn't inspire.
Marie Farrell. Which statement was true and why did she change it? She should have been interrogated.
Several witnesses said Bailey knew Sophie.
The ineptitude of the guards etc.
Surely if a person admits they are the murderer it's enough to charge him
And I'd say Jules Thomas knows way more than she's letting on. "
"Surely if a person admits they are the murderer it's enough to charge him".
^^^^^^^ I don't think Bailey ever admitted he was the murderer....
Look up Gemma O'Dohertys
hypothesis on the case, (a very interesting read, an eye opener).... It may change some peoples opinions. I actually don't think Ian Bailey murdered Sophie Du Planter. |
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^^^^^^^ I don't think Bailey ever admitted he was the murderer....
He told friends in the pub he did it. Jokingly or not it should be enough to take him in and charge him especially on top of the circumstantial evidence they had. After all he was the prime suspect. |
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"So I just watched the Sophie documentary. So frustrating. Some observations...
The gate was taken away but went missing. How is this possible only someone was out to do away with the evidence. Someone within....?
That detective Dermot Dwyer laughing away through it all. Made my blood boil. Here we have an unsolved murder and he's joking and laughing. Came across as a bit of a gombeen who certainly wouldn't inspire.
Marie Farrell. Which statement was true and why did she change it? She should have been interrogated.
Several witnesses said Bailey knew Sophie.
The ineptitude of the guards etc.
Surely if a person admits they are the murderer it's enough to charge him
And I'd say Jules Thomas knows way more than she's letting on.
"Surely if a person admits they are the murderer it's enough to charge him".
^^^^^^^ I don't think Bailey ever admitted he was the murderer....
Look up Gemma O'Dohertys
hypothesis on the case, (a very interesting read, an eye opener).... It may change some peoples opinions. I actually don't think Ian Bailey murdered Sophie Du Planter. "
If G O'D said it then it must absolutely, totally, definitely, and without any shadow of a doubt be truer than true....because ya just have to believe everything she says, well don't ya. I mean ya really do cause she always has such well informed, unbiased opinions on everything so therefore she must know the truth about everything....well her version of the truth anyway.
Yep....G O'D would definitely be the one person to convince me he was innocent.
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By *og-ManMan 42 weeks ago
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"So I just watched the Sophie documentary. So frustrating. Some observations...
The gate was taken away but went missing. How is this possible only someone was out to do away with the evidence. Someone within....?
That detective Dermot Dwyer laughing away through it all. Made my blood boil. Here we have an unsolved murder and he's joking and laughing. Came across as a bit of a gombeen who certainly wouldn't inspire.
Marie Farrell. Which statement was true and why did she change it? She should have been interrogated.
Several witnesses said Bailey knew Sophie.
The ineptitude of the guards etc.
Surely if a person admits they are the murderer it's enough to charge him
And I'd say Jules Thomas knows way more than she's letting on.
"Surely if a person admits they are the murderer it's enough to charge him".
^^^^^^^ I don't think Bailey ever admitted he was the murderer....
Look up Gemma O'Dohertys
hypothesis on the case, (a very interesting read, an eye opener).... It may change some peoples opinions. I actually don't think Ian Bailey murdered Sophie Du Planter.
If G O'D said it then it must absolutely, totally, definitely, and without any shadow of a doubt be truer than true....because ya just have to believe everything she says, well don't ya. I mean ya really do cause she always has such well informed, unbiased opinions on everything so therefore she must know the truth about everything....well her version of the truth anyway.
Yep....G O'D would definitely be the one person to convince me he was innocent.
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Wasn't it written before she went a bit bonkers |
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Wasn't it written before she went a bit bonkers "
To be fair, prior to her breakdown, she was an award winning journalist.
I know she can be a horrible person now, but I've a certain amount of pity for her. She didn't get the help she needed after her husband's death. Went down the rabbit hole after that. |
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"^^^^^^^ I don't think Bailey ever admitted he was the murderer....
He told friends in the pub he did it. Jokingly or not it should be enough to take him in and charge him especially on top of the circumstantial evidence they had. After all he was the prime suspect. "
Without context, his 'admission' means nothing.
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"^^^^^^^ I don't think Bailey ever admitted he was the murderer....
He told friends in the pub he did it. Jokingly or not it should be enough to take him in and charge him especially on top of the circumstantial evidence they had. After all he was the prime suspect.
Without context, his 'admission' means nothing.
I often tell my kids "I'll kill you". Havent done it yet "
I'm amazed at what some people consider evidence!
Particularly on social media. Where many people believe he should be jailed for murdering Sophie, because he assaulted his own partner. Happy to let any other suspects off the hook on that basis!
Like, yes, he was a scumbag, it doesn't mean he murdered Sophie. |
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By *og-ManMan 42 weeks ago
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Reading some of the articles over the weekend
What ever about the complete fuck ups by the Gardai how the hell can there be no DNA evidence on her body or the brick used to kill her
Thats unbelievable |
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By *aseylee324Couple 42 weeks ago
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"^^^^^^^ I don't think Bailey ever admitted he was the murderer....
He told friends in the pub he did it. Jokingly or not it should be enough to take him in and charge him especially on top of the circumstantial evidence they had. After all he was the prime suspect.
Without context, his 'admission' means nothing.
I often tell my kids "I'll kill you". Havent done it yet
I'm amazed at what some people consider evidence!
Particularly on social media. Where many people believe he should be jailed for murdering Sophie, because he assaulted his own partner. Happy to let any other suspects off the hook on that basis!
Like, yes, he was a scumbag, it doesn't mean he murdered Sophie. "
Yep, plus people "confessing" to crimes they didn't commit for a whole variety of reasons is a well known phenomenon. |
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By (user no longer on site) 42 weeks ago
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"So I just watched the Sophie documentary. So frustrating. Some observations...
The gate was taken away but went missing. How is this possible only someone was out to do away with the evidence. Someone within....?
That detective Dermot Dwyer laughing away through it all. Made my blood boil. Here we have an unsolved murder and he's joking and laughing. Came across as a bit of a gombeen who certainly wouldn't inspire.
Marie Farrell. Which statement was true and why did she change it? She should have been interrogated.
Several witnesses said Bailey knew Sophie.
The ineptitude of the guards etc.
Surely if a person admits they are the murderer it's enough to charge him
And I'd say Jules Thomas knows way more than she's letting on.
"Surely if a person admits they are the murderer it's enough to charge him".
^^^^^^^ I don't think Bailey ever admitted he was the murderer....
Look up Gemma O'Dohertys
hypothesis on the case, (a very interesting read, an eye opener).... It may change some peoples opinions. I actually don't think Ian Bailey murdered Sophie Du Planter.
If G O'D said it then it must absolutely, totally, definitely, and without any shadow of a doubt be truer than true....because ya just have to believe everything she says, well don't ya. I mean ya really do cause she always has such well informed, unbiased opinions on everything so therefore she must know the truth about everything....well her version of the truth anyway.
Yep....G O'D would definitely be the one person to convince me he was innocent.
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Gemma O'Doherty actually speaks about some true hard facts. Why didn't the Gardaí & Detectives trace the blue ford car that was seen @7.15am on the morning of the murder driving at high speed in the vicinity....
Anyway .... The Gardaí are now analysing footage of social events in cork from the early to mid 90s. Bailey always denied he hadn't ever met Sophie....So they're scanning to see is there any footage of them mingling together.
Also it is crazy how there's no evidence of any dna on the said gate, brick, door handles etc....even finger prints. Apparently the Gardaí mislaid Baileys coat too like wtf. Also there were 2 wine glasses beside her sink that were rinsed out & they claim there was no evidence on these either....Bizarre isn't it.
Also a friend of mine informed yesterday that Bailey offered his DNA to be tested. But I haven't search any evidence of this yet.
As we know the Gardaí ceased alot of his devices last Thursday.
Why this was never done previously is kinda outrageous. They so want to 'nail' him & put closure on the case.
Some say it was all a cover up to protect some one else.... But I won't go there....
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What ever about the complete fuck ups by the Gardai how the hell can there be no DNA evidence on her body or the brick used to kill her
Thats unbelievable "
Especially when the attack was considered an unplanned, frenzied attack. The lack of evidence and witnesses would suggest it was very well planned.
To find nothing of Bailey or others is very strange. One DNA sample was found but is still unknown!
On the wine glasses, Sophies family said they were likely hers, and that the chairs were arranged exactly how she would sit to read!
Personally, I don't believe anybody came to her door. She was found in her nightwear with boots on.
Something caused her to go outside to investigate, a noise, lights or a vehicle etc. and was then attacked.
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"Shameful that it wasn't solved. Everything points to Bailey been guilty.
Scratches on his arms. (Says it was from cutting diwn Xmas trees. Like who wants Xmas trees the day before Xmas eve?)
Left his house on the night she was killed.
Has history of violence with women.(Why did he flee from UK?).
Passenger seat in her car was extended back to the last(to accommodate a tall man?).
Been a journalist he had a way with words and knew how to play the guards and media. All things considered the finger points firmly at him.
There hasn't been another suspect.
Little to nothing points to him. He was a dickehead and a bit of fool who thought himself smarter than the locals, obnoxious. But doesn't make him a murderer.
How Marie Farrell has never been prosecuted either is very strange. Shes a fantasist and a liar who's original statements concocted with the Gardai are the only things linking Bailey to anything.
The whole Marie Farrell thing is very very fucked up. Something not at all right there. She either craved attention and the lime light and made everything up or she knows something
She had been out having an affair, not sure if the man was in the car with her or she was just on her way home alone that night.
His name has never been released, but Gardai confirmed that we was definitely not in the Schull area that night....With the protection they gave him, I'd be inclined to believe he was a Guard. "
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By *oo32Man 42 weeks ago
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"^^^^^^^ I don't think Bailey ever admitted he was the murderer....
He told friends in the pub he did it. Jokingly or not it should be enough to take him in and charge him especially on top of the circumstantial evidence they had. After all he was the prime suspect. "
Too much circumstantial evidence and not enough forensic
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All I know is the portrayal of the man's sexual fantasies in the broadsheets and tabloids is done in a way to make sexual desires something evil... Everyone on this site has their personal fantasies and its a little unfair to use that as a means to villainize a dead man.
Just because someone has sexual fantasies doesn't make them a bad person. We'd all be fucked so |
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"^^^^^^^ I don't think Bailey ever admitted he was the murderer....
He told friends in the pub he did it. Jokingly or not it should be enough to take him in and charge him especially on top of the circumstantial evidence they had. After all he was the prime suspect.
Too much circumstantial evidence and not enough forensic
It'd be a non starter if they'd charged him"
From the Bandon tapes:
Detective 1:
"We've nothing, it's all only circumstantial evidence. I've a bunch of threads and I'm trying to knit a fucking jumper"
Detective 2:
"Yeah, yeah, yeah, t'is flimsy alright!"
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"All I know is the portrayal of the man's sexual fantasies in the broadsheets and tabloids is done in a way to make sexual desires something evil... Everyone on this site has their personal fantasies and its a little unfair to use that as a means to villainize a dead man.
Just because someone has sexual fantasies doesn't make them a bad person. We'd all be fucked so"
That's just typical old Ireland, it loves to hide these things!
No doubt the journalists have plenty of fantasises and secrets of their own. But they've gone so far down that road now, there's no coming back!
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By *og-ManMan 42 weeks ago
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A good read aboit the whole case against Bailey
https://www.thephoenix.ie/article/sam-bungey-ian-bailey-and-the-media/?twclid=219t2tqwuxqhazgnilkymd8dm2
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By *ano53Man 42 weeks ago
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"Just saw a small bit of his interview on tv this evening and he said how princess di flirted with him. Hes was an utter fantasist in my mind. "
Good deduction... He also seemed to have all the answers .. it was a great interviewer ...
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"Just saw a small bit of his interview on tv this evening and he said how princess di flirted with him. Hes was an utter fantasist in my mind. "
An utter fantasist. Highlighted by the incident recetly where he was chatting two young women on FB and arranged to meet them, their BFs gave him hiding.
His own worst enemy, Bungey explains him very well. Thought he was much smarter than he was.
Although, he was still capable of extreme domestic violence!
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"Just saw a small bit of his interview on tv this evening and he said how princess di flirted with him. Hes was an utter fantasist in my mind. "
An English, loud mouth, fantasist. The perfect scapegoat that most people would naturally have a bias against. Was a good selection in fairness |
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