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"Did I miss it?" No it's up in a couple of minutes... | |||
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Very sexy voice Gemma  Very eloquently spoken! | |||
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"Well the cats out of the bag, there's going to be some craziness in the next few days/weeks" I was just thinking that. But hopefully some of find what they didn't know they were missing. Gray and Gemma did really well to represent the community. Good work. | |||
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"In general good ... "contraception is mandatory" really ? " Every club and event we’ve been to it is. Private parties or meets made from the site is different. | |||
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"In general good ... "contraception is mandatory" really ? Every club and event we’ve been to it is. Private parties or meets made from the site is different. " Ahh .... everyday is a school day . Thanks ... I 2as kinda wondering if this only refered to clubs/events . | |||
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"In general good ... "contraception is mandatory" really ? " I don't see many if any people saying that don't play safe. | |||
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"You gave a really good interview - great job!" Thank you | |||
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"Very well spoken Gemma The hangover wasn't overly obvious
xx"We just KFC for breakfast. Rock n Roll lifestyle | |||
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"Very well spoken Gemma The hangover wasn't overly obvious
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We just KFC for breakfast.
Rock n Roll lifestyle "Living the dream! | |||
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"Very well spoken Gemma The hangover wasn't overly obvious
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We just KFC for breakfast.
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Living the dream! "Absolutely | |||
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"Very well spoken Gemma The hangover wasn't overly obvious
xx"Was just about to say the same haha! Well done, you came across so well and gave a really accurate representation of the scene! Next up a million new profiles
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"Very well spoken Gemma The hangover wasn't overly obvious
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We just KFC for breakfast.
Rock n Roll lifestyle "Harlow100 made me a sausage & egg bagel! | |||
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"Very nice to see the community represented. Is there any recording one can listen to?" The Newstalk website has a playback option, but I think it is only when the show is over. | |||
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"Very well spoken Gemma The hangover wasn't overly obvious
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Harlow100 made me a sausage & egg bagel! "That's at least another three hours required in the gym this week so | |||
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"Very well spoken Gemma The hangover wasn't overly obvious
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We just KFC for breakfast.
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Harlow100 made me a sausage & egg bagel!
That's at least another three hours required in the gym this week so "Howled! | |||
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"Very well spoken Gemma The hangover wasn't overly obvious
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We just KFC for breakfast.
Rock n Roll lifestyle "Considering the amount of cocktails we consumed yesterday a truckload of KFC is needed
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There is an influx of new accounts already!
Good to get a plug in for your new site and App! | |||
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"Great interviews Gemma and Graham. Really enjoyed two knowledgeable people talking about the scene. S&D. X " Thanks, love you guys xx | |||
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"Very well spoken Gemma The hangover wasn't overly obvious
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Considering the amount of cocktails we consumed yesterday a truckload of KFC is needed
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"Lads we were on a 12 hour drinking session yesterday with about 25 others from here, even ended up in coppers. Both did amazing, thanks to Clarity for helping us get the word out. Just so refreshing to get two people on some form of media to talk about the scene who actually know the scene. Not the usual absolute dopes they have on. Onwards and upwards, thanks for all the kind messages. This community is so unbelievably special "You honestly didn't give off that from your sound ...i had no idea anyway...fair play | |||
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"Very nice to see the community represented. Is there any recording one can listen to? The Newstalk website has a playback option, but I think it is only when the show is over." Yep I think your right | |||
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"Good morning, Gemma will be on Newstalk at lunchtime to talk about the scene. Lets know what you think of her sexy voice. Cheers, Pete xx" Thanks Gemma - Gray here. Fantastic to enjoy a bitta chat with yourself
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"Thanks everyone. Gemma here. Grey and myself make a good tag team when it comes to articulating and navigating conversations around stigmas and misconceptions about the non monogamous lifestyle we have found ourselves immersed in. 100% contraception is mandatory at events unless expressly agreed otherwise between consenting adults. More awareness should be brought to sexual health. STIs are a fact of life and NOT just from penetration so get tested regularly EVERYONE! It's important to normalise sexual health awareness. Thanks for all the kind words of encouragement. I am so hungover and my KFC came as I was on air. I could smell the feckin zinger burger the whole time, literally hanging. "Ya but the burger was all the better for the wait | |||
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"Is it on anywhere to listen now ? " it's on the newstalk app now | |||
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"Thanks everyone. Gemma here. Grey and myself make a good tag team when it comes to articulating and navigating conversations around stigmas and misconceptions about the non monogamous lifestyle we have found ourselves immersed in. 100% contraception is mandatory at events unless expressly agreed otherwise between consenting adults. More awareness should be brought to sexual health. STIs are a fact of life and NOT just from penetration so get tested regularly EVERYONE! It's important to normalise sexual health awareness. Thanks for all the kind words of encouragement. I am so hungover and my KFC came as I was on air. I could smell the feckin zinger burger the whole time, literally hanging. "This 'un. All day long. I didn't wanna say it on air (too graphic) but Gem, as usual, is 100% correct. I've played with people without contraception - cuck fantasies often involve creampies or clean up - but always always always in a club, wrap your fookin' mickey. Testing is king lads & ladies. | |||
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Link below for anyone that wants to listen back..
https://www.goloudplayer.com/episodes/swinging-community-in-ireland-be-N2RkNDUzODMwZDRjNmNiODA5MWE4ZmUzZmFmYjUyNjk= | |||
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"Well done G&G, nice to hear someone finally stick up for the scene in Ireland. It would have been a lot better if you were giving more time to explain more and maybe have some extra people on to explain their choice for joining in. However I get the show is brief topic and move on to the next. " Thanks for the kind words... although u was asked about this on Saturday, I'd heard nothing until 10am this morning by way of confirmation... Very little prep time, even for a 3 minute chat!
I was also cognisant that it was a daytime radio show - so didn't wanna swear or get into graphic deets! | |||
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I think the one thing I would have added is that it's not all parties or private clubs. Plenty of it is exactly like hooking up as a singleton, looking for a new FWBs. We go on dates with couples to gauge chemistry and it feels so much like dating again!
I think that's part of why its not as easy as single men assume. Especially with so many of them! If your having no luck with women in the usual ways, it's unlikely you'll fair much better as a swinger.
Some men who want to get into it expect to walk into a swingers party and treat it like a brothel - just picking out whoever they want. but us ladies have to pick them! | |||
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" Some men who want to get into it expect to walk into a swingers party and treat it like a brothel - just picking out whoever they want. but us ladies have to pick them! " I had this exact thing in my mind to say about single men... but alas... time was short....  | |||
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"Heard the interview today sounded a bit cringe tbh I don't like Andrea Gilligan's show anyway it's rubbish " I thought it was fantastic and very well put by OP and Co. | |||
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"Heard the interview today sounded a bit cringe tbh I don't like Andrea Gilligan's show anyway it's rubbish " I take FULL RESPONSIBILITY for ANY cringe  
If you know me, you'd know that's my brand 
If you know Gemma, you'd never cringe again once you laid eyes upon her... | |||
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"Excellent job guys. You both spoke with great finesse and it was all very positive. Well done Gray and Gemma. Hopefully for anybody tuning in that is curious about getting involved in the scene, it was a nice little glimpse for them through the porthole and out to the sea of all things swing and ENM. What a great thing we have going here folks. So many sound people and good times. Oh and Gemma, your voice sounds even sexier on the radio than in person. Peter - does she speak in her sleep? Hope so! "Thanks guys xxx She doesn't but I do, wait till i tell you the story what i said to her in my sleep last night | |||
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"Just listened on playback, great interview guys
Em x"Thanks, Nice profile, we are gonna need get you to an Envy event | |||
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"Thanks guys xxx She doesn't but I do, wait till i tell you the story what i said to her in my sleep last night "Ha, can’t wait to hear that one when we see you next! Cocktails and KFC involved by the sounds of it
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"Just listened on playback, great interview guys
Em x
Thanks, Nice profile, we are gonna need get you to an Envy event "Thank you
I'll eventually get the courage to go | |||
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" It was however disappointing to hear some judgemental comments regarding attached people who wish to embrace the lifestyle but are not in the happy position of being able to do so with the cooperation and or consent of their life partners. Respect and non-judgement are surely key elements of the swing lifestyle and it should be left for consenting adults to decide how best to participate in the swing scene as long as they are open about their situation with those they wish to engage with. Labels are for products not for people. " Hey Sir, Neither I, nor Gemma, offered ANY judgements upon anyone. I can't speak for Gemma, but I can for myself. Apologies, but if you're in a committed relationship or marriage which was formed upon the supposition of monogamy, and you've decided, unilaterally, to alter the terms of that relationship and enjoy sexual experiences with other people without the consent, knowledge and approval of your partner - then, in common parlance, what you're doing is cheating. It's unethical, it's harmful, it's dishonest and and it's unfair. This is the reality. I offer no judgement, people cheat for many reasons. Sometimes VERY valid reasons. But it's still cheating, and it's still unethical, dishonest and unfair. What you want us to do is validate and approve of your behaviour, and there's no onus on anyone to do so. If you're comfortable lying and cheating to your significant other, that's your business, but don't ask me to approve of it or give you some sort of "pass" under the banner of "swinging". You spoke of respect in your post; I'm forced to wonder, how much respect are you displaying to your partner by your behaviour? I'm also sorry you're disappointed with the 3 minute or so interview but allow me to be clear; I'm not an ambassador. I'm not "Mr. Swing". I do not represent the swing community en masse. I am a private individual and my humble opinion is that cheating, although sometimes understandable, is ethically problematic &, for me at least, undesirable. Take care pal - I hope you find the peace you crave. | |||
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"Excellent presentation by both speakers and an excellent job in promoting the swing lifestyle and this site in particular. It was however disappointing to hear some judgemental comments regarding attached people who wish to embrace the lifestyle but are not in the happy position of being able to do so with the cooperation and or consent of their life partners. Respect and non-judgement are surely key elements of the swing lifestyle and it should be left for consenting adults to decide how best to participate in the swing scene as long as they are open about their situation with those they wish to engage with. Labels are for products not for people. " Unfortunately we will judge cheating partners on here. They are a pariah and rightly so. Cheating goes against everything that ethical non monogamy stands for. I have yet to see a justification for it. | |||
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" Unfortunately we will judge cheating partners on here. They are a pariah and rightly so. Cheating goes against everything that ethical non monogamy stands for. I have yet to see a justification for it. "Thank Christ I didn't speak for you | |||
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"Well done to everyone involved. It was a perfect little reflection of the swinging world. Delighted that you actually had a decent interviewer, no childish or prudish behaviour, like we seen in other interviews before." Ya , I thought the same, Andrea Gilligan, was quite open minded and genuinely wanted to listen to you both. I think it helped that her inbox was busy with people asking questions and looking for information through the interview! | |||
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"Just caught the tail end of it. Well done guys, you both spoke really well and sounded sexy AF Half the country will probably sign up now "As was said elsewhere... it's raining low quality men | |||
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"Excellent presentation by both speakers and an excellent job in promoting the swing lifestyle and this site in particular. It was however disappointing to hear some judgemental comments regarding attached people who wish to embrace the lifestyle but are not in the happy position of being able to do so with the cooperation and or consent of their life partners. Respect and non-judgement are surely key elements of the swing lifestyle and it should be left for consenting adults to decide how best to participate in the swing scene as long as they are open about their situation with those they wish to engage with. Labels are for products not for people. Unfortunately we will judge cheating partners on here. They are a pariah and rightly so. Cheating goes against everything that ethical non monogamy stands for. I have yet to see a justification for it. "Here here, most of us have experienced it and its the worst thing you can do to someone you are supposed to love and care about. | |||
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"Excellent presentation by both speakers and an excellent job in promoting the swing lifestyle and this site in particular. It was however disappointing to hear some judgemental comments regarding attached people who wish to embrace the lifestyle but are not in the happy position of being able to do so with the cooperation and or consent of their life partners. Respect and non-judgement are surely key elements of the swing lifestyle and it should be left for consenting adults to decide how best to participate in the swing scene as long as they are open about their situation with those they wish to engage with. Labels are for products not for people. " Gemma here, How is it consenting adults if your partner is unaware of what you're doing? People cheat for many reasons and coming onto this site where we collectively like to be open and honest with one another and saying this is your lifestyle because your partner doesn't understand your needs or you've a high sex drive and they just don't get it, really puts the kibosh on anything this lifestyle is trying to achieve. People see comments like this and think well that's what this lifestyle is for. It damages anything positive we are trying to achieve. Knowingly doing something that ultimately would hurt someone you are supposed to protect and love is wrong no matter how high your sex drive is. Consent has to be between everyone. So while I understand judgement and labels are possibly not what you expected by being 'honest' here, the simple fact is if one half of a couple is unaware or unsupportive and you do it anyway, get your big boy pants on and accept the judgement. You'll ultimately hurt someone with your actions and you're knowingly doing so. Disrespectful to the core of a relationship. Ethical non monogamy does exactly what it says on the tin. This opinion is mine. | |||
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"Hopefully a big influx of unicorns over the next few days . But more likely a load of guys who will be moaning in the forums in a months time that they cant get a meet. Interesting to hear about new apps in the future." Or possibly a load of guys pretending to be Unicorns | |||
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"Hopefully a big influx of unicorns over the next few days . But more likely a load of guys who will be moaning in the forums in a months time that they cant get a meet. Interesting to hear about new apps in the future." Plenty of nice unicorns on here. However, single lads comfortable with couples are the real unicorns on here unfortunately. | |||
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"Hopefully a big influx of unicorns over the next few days . But more likely a load of guys who will be moaning in the forums in a months time that they cant get a meet. Interesting to hear about new apps in the future. Plenty of nice unicorns on here. However, single lads comfortable with couples are the real unicorns on here unfortunately." Couldn't agree more! Missus | |||
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"Excellent presentation by both speakers and an excellent job in promoting the swing lifestyle and this site in particular. It was however disappointing to hear some judgemental comments regarding attached people who wish to embrace the lifestyle but are not in the happy position of being able to do so with the cooperation and or consent of their life partners. Respect and non-judgement are surely key elements of the swing lifestyle and it should be left for consenting adults to decide how best to participate in the swing scene as long as they are open about their situation with those they wish to engage with. Labels are for products not for people. Gemma here, How is it consenting adults if your partner is unaware of what you're doing? People cheat for many reasons and coming onto this site where we collectively like to be open and honest with one another and saying this is your lifestyle because your partner doesn't understand your needs or you've a high sex drive and they just don't get it, really puts the kibosh on anything this lifestyle is trying to achieve. People see comments like this and think well that's what this lifestyle is for. It damages anything positive we are trying to achieve. Knowingly doing something that ultimately would hurt someone you are supposed to protect and love is wrong no matter how high your sex drive is. Consent has to be between everyone. So while I understand judgement and labels are possibly not what you expected by being 'honest' here, the simple fact is if one half of a couple is unaware or unsupportive and you do it anyway, get your big boy pants on and accept the judgement. You'll ultimately hurt someone with your actions and you're knowingly doing so. Disrespectful to the core of a relationship. Ethical non monogamy does exactly what it says on the tin. This opinion is mine. "Fuck yes 
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"Excellent presentation by both speakers and an excellent job in promoting the swing lifestyle and this site in particular. It was however disappointing to hear some judgemental comments regarding attached people who wish to embrace the lifestyle but are not in the happy position of being able to do so with the cooperation and or consent of their life partners. Respect and non-judgement are surely key elements of the swing lifestyle and it should be left for consenting adults to decide how best to participate in the swing scene as long as they are open about their situation with those they wish to engage with. Labels are for products not for people. Gemma here, How is it consenting adults if your partner is unaware of what you're doing? People cheat for many reasons and coming onto this site where we collectively like to be open and honest with one another and saying this is your lifestyle because your partner doesn't understand your needs or you've a high sex drive and they just don't get it, really puts the kibosh on anything this lifestyle is trying to achieve. People see comments like this and think well that's what this lifestyle is for. It damages anything positive we are trying to achieve. Knowingly doing something that ultimately would hurt someone you are supposed to protect and love is wrong no matter how high your sex drive is. Consent has to be between everyone. So while I understand judgement and labels are possibly not what you expected by being 'honest' here, the simple fact is if one half of a couple is unaware or unsupportive and you do it anyway, get your big boy pants on and accept the judgement. You'll ultimately hurt someone with your actions and you're knowingly doing so. Disrespectful to the core of a relationship. Ethical non monogamy does exactly what it says on the tin. This opinion is mine. "Here here Gemma very well said and most people in the community will agree with you on this
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"Lads we were on a 12 hour drinking session yesterday with about 25 others from here, even ended up in coppers. Both did amazing, thanks to Clarity for helping us get the word out. Just so refreshing to get two people on some form of media to talk about the scene who actually know the scene. Not the usual absolute dopes they have on. Onwards and upwards, thanks for all the kind messages. This community is so unbelievably special "Oh yas wanna be culchies I know a good outlet Pete for a checkshirt fair play Gemma ya knocked it outa the park I always knew ya could chat | |||
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I say they had loads of messages about the lifestyle, cause of it.
I had a feeling it could have been longer. At the sametime it could have been long enough. The next thing is will there be a load of newbies soon. | |||
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"Excellent presentation by both speakers and an excellent job in promoting the swing lifestyle and this site in particular. It was however disappointing to hear some judgemental comments regarding attached people who wish to embrace the lifestyle but are not in the happy position of being able to do so with the cooperation and or consent of their life partners. Respect and non-judgement are surely key elements of the swing lifestyle and it should be left for consenting adults to decide how best to participate in the swing scene as long as they are open about their situation with those they wish to engage with. Labels are for products not for people. Gemma here, How is it consenting adults if your partner is unaware of what you're doing? People cheat for many reasons and coming onto this site where we collectively like to be open and honest with one another and saying this is your lifestyle because your partner doesn't understand your needs or you've a high sex drive and they just don't get it, really puts the kibosh on anything this lifestyle is trying to achieve. People see comments like this and think well that's what this lifestyle is for. It damages anything positive we are trying to achieve. Knowingly doing something that ultimately would hurt someone you are supposed to protect and love is wrong no matter how high your sex drive is. Consent has to be between everyone. So while I understand judgement and labels are possibly not what you expected by being 'honest' here, the simple fact is if one half of a couple is unaware or unsupportive and you do it anyway, get your big boy pants on and accept the judgement. You'll ultimately hurt someone with your actions and you're knowingly doing so. Disrespectful to the core of a relationship. Ethical non monogamy does exactly what it says on the tin. This opinion is mine. "Girl power | |||
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"Well done never seen as many newbies signed up tonight " So many new profiles you guys should get commission | |||
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"It's difficult to get everything across that you'd like and the interview is just led with questions you have to react to obviously. The questions were well thought out I felt which was a different approach to the normal interviewer tactics so it was easy to portray the overall positive vibe that both myself and Grey wanted to get across the airwaves. I do think a whole show could be spent on it and possibly a more regular Q&A presence would be beneficial ... perhaps a future venture!? In any event, thank you all so much for the generous acceptance of the interview and I do hope it was the positive portrayal this amazing community deserved. Gemma x "Ya,true.
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"It's difficult to get everything across that you'd like and the interview is just led with questions you have to react to obviously. The questions were well thought out I felt which was a different approach to the normal interviewer tactics so it was easy to portray the overall positive vibe that both myself and Grey wanted to get across the airwaves. I do think a whole show could be spent on it and possibly a more regular Q&A presence would be beneficial ... perhaps a future venture!? In any event, thank you all so much for the generous acceptance of the interview and I do hope it was the positive portrayal this amazing community deserved. Gemma x "Would you consider a podcast like some of the UK couples have and some I have listened to and loved Miss tattoo | |||
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"It's difficult to get everything across that you'd like and the interview is just led with questions you have to react to obviously. The questions were well thought out I felt which was a different approach to the normal interviewer tactics so it was easy to portray the overall positive vibe that both myself and Grey wanted to get across the airwaves. I do think a whole show could be spent on it and possibly a more regular Q&A presence would be beneficial ... perhaps a future venture!? In any event, thank you all so much for the generous acceptance of the interview and I do hope it was the positive portrayal this amazing community deserved. Gemma x
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"It's difficult to get everything across that you'd like and the interview is just led with questions you have to react to obviously. The questions were well thought out I felt which was a different approach to the normal interviewer tactics so it was easy to portray the overall positive vibe that both myself and Grey wanted to get across the airwaves. I do think a whole show could be spent on it and possibly a more regular Q&A presence would be beneficial ... perhaps a future venture!? In any event, thank you all so much for the generous acceptance of the interview and I do hope it was the positive portrayal this amazing community deserved. Gemma x
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" It was however disappointing to hear some judgemental comments regarding attached people who wish to embrace the lifestyle but are not in the happy position of being able to do so with the cooperation and or consent of their life partners. Respect and non-judgement are surely key elements of the swing lifestyle and it should be left for consenting adults to decide how best to participate in the swing scene as long as they are open about their situation with those they wish to engage with. Labels are for products not for people. Hey Sir, Neither I, nor Gemma, offered ANY judgements upon anyone. I can't speak for Gemma, but I can for myself. Apologies, but if you're in a committed relationship or marriage which was formed upon the supposition of monogamy, and you've decided, unilaterally, to alter the terms of that relationship and enjoy sexual experiences with other people without the consent, knowledge and approval of your partner - then, in common parlance, what you're doing is cheating. It's unethical, it's harmful, it's dishonest and and it's unfair. This is the reality. I offer no judgement, people cheat for many reasons. Sometimes VERY valid reasons. But it's still cheating, and it's still unethical, dishonest and unfair. What you want us to do is validate and approve of your behaviour, and there's no onus on anyone to do so. If you're comfortable lying and cheating to your significant other, that's your business, but don't ask me to approve of it or give you some sort of "pass" under the banner of "swinging". You spoke of respect in your post; I'm forced to wonder, how much respect are you displaying to your partner by your behaviour? I'm also sorry you're disappointed with the 3 minute or so interview but allow me to be clear; I'm not an ambassador. I'm not "Mr. Swing". I do not represent the swing community en masse. I am a private individual and my humble opinion is that cheating, although sometimes understandable, is ethically problematic &, for me at least, undesirable. Take care pal - I hope you find the peace you crave. "Your failure to include the opening sentence of my original post in your reply, in which I praised both interviewees for the presentation of their views on swinging, was either a copy and paste error on your part or a deliberate attempt at spin. I will leave it up to you to decide which it was. Because Newstalk had obviously done their research and discovered that attached people engaging in the swing scene without the consent of their partners is a reality the question was asked and both interviewees were quick to criticise and label those individuals. That in my book is judgement. I appreciate the opinions you expressed on radio and on here are your strongly held beliefs and i support your right to voice them. I trust you would equally support my right as a paid up supporter of this site to post my opinions on here without having judgemental labels assigned to me personally. I can assure you that I have been at peace with my own situation for longer than you have been active as a swinger so you need have no concerns regarding my having that as a craving whatever else I may desire in my life. BTW the "Hey Sir" opening and "Take care pal" closing in your post in my opinion lowered the tone of an otherwise well crafted reply. | |||
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" It was however disappointing to hear some judgemental comments regarding attached people who wish to embrace the lifestyle but are not in the happy position of being able to do so with the cooperation and or consent of their life partners. Respect and non-judgement are surely key elements of the swing lifestyle and it should be left for consenting adults to decide how best to participate in the swing scene as long as they are open about their situation with those they wish to engage with. Labels are for products not for people. Hey Sir, Neither I, nor Gemma, offered ANY judgements upon anyone. I can't speak for Gemma, but I can for myself. Apologies, but if you're in a committed relationship or marriage which was formed upon the supposition of monogamy, and you've decided, unilaterally, to alter the terms of that relationship and enjoy sexual experiences with other people without the consent, knowledge and approval of your partner - then, in common parlance, what you're doing is cheating. It's unethical, it's harmful, it's dishonest and and it's unfair. This is the reality. I offer no judgement, people cheat for many reasons. Sometimes VERY valid reasons. But it's still cheating, and it's still unethical, dishonest and unfair. What you want us to do is validate and approve of your behaviour, and there's no onus on anyone to do so. If you're comfortable lying and cheating to your significant other, that's your business, but don't ask me to approve of it or give you some sort of "pass" under the banner of "swinging". You spoke of respect in your post; I'm forced to wonder, how much respect are you displaying to your partner by your behaviour? I'm also sorry you're disappointed with the 3 minute or so interview but allow me to be clear; I'm not an ambassador. I'm not "Mr. Swing". I do not represent the swing community en masse. I am a private individual and my humble opinion is that cheating, although sometimes understandable, is ethically problematic &, for me at least, undesirable. Take care pal - I hope you find the peace you crave.
Your failure to include the opening sentence of my original post in your reply, in which I praised both interviewees for the presentation of their views on swinging, was either a copy and paste error on your part or a deliberate attempt at spin. I will leave it up to you to decide which it was.
Because Newstalk had obviously done their research and discovered that attached people engaging in the swing scene without the consent of their partners is a reality the question was asked and both interviewees were quick to criticise and label those individuals. That in my book is judgement.
I appreciate the opinions you expressed on radio and on here are your strongly held beliefs and i support your right to voice them. I trust you would equally support my right as a paid up supporter of this site to post my opinions on here without having judgemental labels assigned to me personally.
I can assure you that I have been at peace with my own situation for longer than you have been active as a swinger so you need have no concerns regarding my having that as a craving whatever else I may desire in my life.
BTW the "Hey Sir" opening and "Take care pal" closing in your post in my opinion lowered the tone of an otherwise well crafted reply."STOP CHEATING ON YOUR WIFE. Leave her or grow a pair. In 7 years on here I have not seen a single valid reason that its ever acceptable. | |||
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"Good morning, Gemma will be on Newstalk at lunchtime to talk about the scene. Lets know what you think of her sexy voice. Cheers, Pete xx" Look op I certainly didn’t and probably won’t listen too it but having said that fair play too you guys We came on here too see if it’s for us maybe it is maybe it’s not We can only try it’s not for everyone a bit like KFC for breakfast We have always wanted to try McDonald’s but didn’t yet anyway Well done | |||
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" It was however disappointing to hear some judgemental comments regarding attached people who wish to embrace the lifestyle but are not in the happy position of being able to do so with the cooperation and or consent of their life partners. Respect and non-judgement are surely key elements of the swing lifestyle and it should be left for consenting adults to decide how best to participate in the swing scene as long as they are open about their situation with those they wish to engage with. Labels are for products not for people. Hey Sir, Neither I, nor Gemma, offered ANY judgements upon anyone. I can't speak for Gemma, but I can for myself. Apologies, but if you're in a committed relationship or marriage which was formed upon the supposition of monogamy, and you've decided, unilaterally, to alter the terms of that relationship and enjoy sexual experiences with other people without the consent, knowledge and approval of your partner - then, in common parlance, what you're doing is cheating. It's unethical, it's harmful, it's dishonest and and it's unfair. This is the reality. I offer no judgement, people cheat for many reasons. Sometimes VERY valid reasons. But it's still cheating, and it's still unethical, dishonest and unfair. What you want us to do is validate and approve of your behaviour, and there's no onus on anyone to do so. If you're comfortable lying and cheating to your significant other, that's your business, but don't ask me to approve of it or give you some sort of "pass" under the banner of "swinging". You spoke of respect in your post; I'm forced to wonder, how much respect are you displaying to your partner by your behaviour? I'm also sorry you're disappointed with the 3 minute or so interview but allow me to be clear; I'm not an ambassador. I'm not "Mr. Swing". I do not represent the swing community en masse. I am a private individual and my humble opinion is that cheating, although sometimes understandable, is ethically problematic &, for me at least, undesirable. Take care pal - I hope you find the peace you crave.
Your failure to include the opening sentence of my original post in your reply, in which I praised both interviewees for the presentation of their views on swinging, was either a copy and paste error on your part or a deliberate attempt at spin. I will leave it up to you to decide which it was.
Because Newstalk had obviously done their research and discovered that attached people engaging in the swing scene without the consent of their partners is a reality the question was asked and both interviewees were quick to criticise and label those individuals. That in my book is judgement.
I appreciate the opinions you expressed on radio and on here are your strongly held beliefs and i support your right to voice them. I trust you would equally support my right as a paid up supporter of this site to post my opinions on here without having judgemental labels assigned to me personally.
I can assure you that I have been at peace with my own situation for longer than you have been active as a swinger so you need have no concerns regarding my having that as a craving whatever else I may desire in my life.
BTW the "Hey Sir" opening and "Take care pal" closing in your post in my opinion lowered the tone of an otherwise well crafted reply.
STOP CHEATING ON YOUR WIFE.
Leave her or grow a pair. In 7 years on here I have not seen a single valid reason that its ever acceptable. "Way too personal a comment. And no need to SHOUT. I think we all know your opinion on this matter by now. | |||
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" It was however disappointing to hear some judgemental comments regarding attached people who wish to embrace the lifestyle but are not in the happy position of being able to do so with the cooperation and or consent of their life partners. Respect and non-judgement are surely key elements of the swing lifestyle and it should be left for consenting adults to decide how best to participate in the swing scene as long as they are open about their situation with those they wish to engage with. Labels are for products not for people. Hey Sir, Neither I, nor Gemma, offered ANY judgements upon anyone. I can't speak for Gemma, but I can for myself. Apologies, but if you're in a committed relationship or marriage which was formed upon the supposition of monogamy, and you've decided, unilaterally, to alter the terms of that relationship and enjoy sexual experiences with other people without the consent, knowledge and approval of your partner - then, in common parlance, what you're doing is cheating. It's unethical, it's harmful, it's dishonest and and it's unfair. This is the reality. I offer no judgement, people cheat for many reasons. Sometimes VERY valid reasons. But it's still cheating, and it's still unethical, dishonest and unfair. What you want us to do is validate and approve of your behaviour, and there's no onus on anyone to do so. If you're comfortable lying and cheating to your significant other, that's your business, but don't ask me to approve of it or give you some sort of "pass" under the banner of "swinging". You spoke of respect in your post; I'm forced to wonder, how much respect are you displaying to your partner by your behaviour? I'm also sorry you're disappointed with the 3 minute or so interview but allow me to be clear; I'm not an ambassador. I'm not "Mr. Swing". I do not represent the swing community en masse. I am a private individual and my humble opinion is that cheating, although sometimes understandable, is ethically problematic &, for me at least, undesirable. Take care pal - I hope you find the peace you crave.
Your failure to include the opening sentence of my original post in your reply, in which I praised both interviewees for the presentation of their views on swinging, was either a copy and paste error on your part or a deliberate attempt at spin. I will leave it up to you to decide which it was.
Because Newstalk had obviously done their research and discovered that attached people engaging in the swing scene without the consent of their partners is a reality the question was asked and both interviewees were quick to criticise and label those individuals. That in my book is judgement.
I appreciate the opinions you expressed on radio and on here are your strongly held beliefs and i support your right to voice them. I trust you would equally support my right as a paid up supporter of this site to post my opinions on here without having judgemental labels assigned to me personally.
I can assure you that I have been at peace with my own situation for longer than you have been active as a swinger so you need have no concerns regarding my having that as a craving whatever else I may desire in my life.
BTW the "Hey Sir" opening and "Take care pal" closing in your post in my opinion lowered the tone of an otherwise well crafted reply.
STOP CHEATING ON YOUR WIFE.
Leave her or grow a pair. In 7 years on here I have not seen a single valid reason that its ever acceptable.
Way too personal a comment.
And no need to SHOUT.
I think we all know your opinion on this matter by now."Its grand. Give me and everyone else reading here a valid reason to cheat on your life partner. I will wait.... | |||
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"Count me in for next envy night Gem.. A refreshing interview today that many wouldn't have the balls to do.. Beautiful, professional, intimate, clear cut voice "Thank you and more than welcome | |||
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" It was however disappointing to hear some judgemental comments regarding attached people who wish to embrace the lifestyle but are not in the happy position of being able to do so with the cooperation and or consent of their life partners. Respect and non-judgement are surely key elements of the swing lifestyle and it should be left for consenting adults to decide how best to participate in the swing scene as long as they are open about their situation with those they wish to engage with. Labels are for products not for people. Hey Sir, Neither I, nor Gemma, offered ANY judgements upon anyone. I can't speak for Gemma, but I can for myself. Apologies, but if you're in a committed relationship or marriage which was formed upon the supposition of monogamy, and you've decided, unilaterally, to alter the terms of that relationship and enjoy sexual experiences with other people without the consent, knowledge and approval of your partner - then, in common parlance, what you're doing is cheating. It's unethical, it's harmful, it's dishonest and and it's unfair. This is the reality. I offer no judgement, people cheat for many reasons. Sometimes VERY valid reasons. But it's still cheating, and it's still unethical, dishonest and unfair. What you want us to do is validate and approve of your behaviour, and there's no onus on anyone to do so. If you're comfortable lying and cheating to your significant other, that's your business, but don't ask me to approve of it or give you some sort of "pass" under the banner of "swinging". You spoke of respect in your post; I'm forced to wonder, how much respect are you displaying to your partner by your behaviour? I'm also sorry you're disappointed with the 3 minute or so interview but allow me to be clear; I'm not an ambassador. I'm not "Mr. Swing". I do not represent the swing community en masse. I am a private individual and my humble opinion is that cheating, although sometimes understandable, is ethically problematic &, for me at least, undesirable. Take care pal - I hope you find the peace you crave.
Your failure to include the opening sentence of my original post in your reply, in which I praised both interviewees for the presentation of their views on swinging, was either a copy and paste error on your part or a deliberate attempt at spin. I will leave it up to you to decide which it was.
Because Newstalk had obviously done their research and discovered that attached people engaging in the swing scene without the consent of their partners is a reality the question was asked and both interviewees were quick to criticise and label those individuals. That in my book is judgement.
I appreciate the opinions you expressed on radio and on here are your strongly held beliefs and i support your right to voice them. I trust you would equally support my right as a paid up supporter of this site to post my opinions on here without having judgemental labels assigned to me personally.
I can assure you that I have been at peace with my own situation for longer than you have been active as a swinger so you need have no concerns regarding my having that as a craving whatever else I may desire in my life.
BTW the "Hey Sir" opening and "Take care pal" closing in your post in my opinion lowered the tone of an otherwise well crafted reply.
STOP CHEATING ON YOUR WIFE.
Leave her or grow a pair. In 7 years on here I have not seen a single valid reason that its ever acceptable.
Way too personal a comment.
And no need to SHOUT.
I think we all know your opinion on this matter by now.
Its grand. Give me and everyone else reading here a valid reason to cheat on your life partner.
I will wait...."Unfortunately for you your wait will be an indefinite one as my reasons for putting my family relationship at risk are strictly personal and not up for publication on this site. To ask me to do so is in my opinion a breach of the principle of discretion on which membership of this site is fundamentally based. I don't believe any fair-minded individuals reading this thread would expect me to go into such personal detail and will fully understand my not doing so. I will now bow out of the discussion suitably chastened. | |||
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"Well done you Two! Gemma we are proud of you! Re single cheating swingers 1) they are not single 2) they are not swinging (are not ethically non monogamous) 3)…" Thank you xx | |||
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" It was however disappointing to hear some judgemental comments regarding attached people who wish to embrace the lifestyle but are not in the happy position of being able to do so with the cooperation and or consent of their life partners. Respect and non-judgement are surely key elements of the swing lifestyle and it should be left for consenting adults to decide how best to participate in the swing scene as long as they are open about their situation with those they wish to engage with. Labels are for products not for people. Hey Sir, Neither I, nor Gemma, offered ANY judgements upon anyone. I can't speak for Gemma, but I can for myself. Apologies, but if you're in a committed relationship or marriage which was formed upon the supposition of monogamy, and you've decided, unilaterally, to alter the terms of that relationship and enjoy sexual experiences with other people without the consent, knowledge and approval of your partner - then, in common parlance, what you're doing is cheating. It's unethical, it's harmful, it's dishonest and and it's unfair. This is the reality. I offer no judgement, people cheat for many reasons. Sometimes VERY valid reasons. But it's still cheating, and it's still unethical, dishonest and unfair. What you want us to do is validate and approve of your behaviour, and there's no onus on anyone to do so. If you're comfortable lying and cheating to your significant other, that's your business, but don't ask me to approve of it or give you some sort of "pass" under the banner of "swinging". You spoke of respect in your post; I'm forced to wonder, how much respect are you displaying to your partner by your behaviour? I'm also sorry you're disappointed with the 3 minute or so interview but allow me to be clear; I'm not an ambassador. I'm not "Mr. Swing". I do not represent the swing community en masse. I am a private individual and my humble opinion is that cheating, although sometimes understandable, is ethically problematic &, for me at least, undesirable. Take care pal - I hope you find the peace you crave.
Your failure to include the opening sentence of my original post in your reply, in which I praised both interviewees for the presentation of their views on swinging, was either a copy and paste error on your part or a deliberate attempt at spin. I will leave it up to you to decide which it was.
Because Newstalk had obviously done their research and discovered that attached people engaging in the swing scene without the consent of their partners is a reality the question was asked and both interviewees were quick to criticise and label those individuals. That in my book is judgement.
I appreciate the opinions you expressed on radio and on here are your strongly held beliefs and i support your right to voice them. I trust you would equally support my right as a paid up supporter of this site to post my opinions on here without having judgemental labels assigned to me personally.
I can assure you that I have been at peace with my own situation for longer than you have been active as a swinger so you need have no concerns regarding my having that as a craving whatever else I may desire in my life.
BTW the "Hey Sir" opening and "Take care pal" closing in your post in my opinion lowered the tone of an otherwise well crafted reply.
STOP CHEATING ON YOUR WIFE.
Leave her or grow a pair. In 7 years on here I have not seen a single valid reason that its ever acceptable. "If only there was a like button for comments like this. We both try and live by an each to their own and no kink shame rule. However cheating on someone with a person or couple who are engaged in an ethical open relationship doesn’t just affect you and the partner you’re disrespecting but drags the actual swingers into the conflict too. | |||
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"Hopefully a big influx of unicorns over the next few days . But more likely a load of guys who will be moaning in the forums in a months time that they cant get a meet. Interesting to hear about new apps in the future. Plenty of nice unicorns on here. However, single lads comfortable with couples are the real unicorns on here unfortunately." My inbox begs to differ | |||
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" It was however disappointing to hear some judgemental comments regarding attached people who wish to embrace the lifestyle but are not in the happy position of being able to do so with the cooperation and or consent of their life partners. Respect and non-judgement are surely key elements of the swing lifestyle and it should be left for consenting adults to decide how best to participate in the swing scene as long as they are open about their situation with those they wish to engage with. Labels are for products not for people. Hey Sir, Neither I, nor Gemma, offered ANY judgements upon anyone. I can't speak for Gemma, but I can for myself. Apologies, but if you're in a committed relationship or marriage which was formed upon the supposition of monogamy, and you've decided, unilaterally, to alter the terms of that relationship and enjoy sexual experiences with other people without the consent, knowledge and approval of your partner - then, in common parlance, what you're doing is cheating. It's unethical, it's harmful, it's dishonest and and it's unfair. This is the reality. I offer no judgement, people cheat for many reasons. Sometimes VERY valid reasons. But it's still cheating, and it's still unethical, dishonest and unfair. What you want us to do is validate and approve of your behaviour, and there's no onus on anyone to do so. If you're comfortable lying and cheating to your significant other, that's your business, but don't ask me to approve of it or give you some sort of "pass" under the banner of "swinging". You spoke of respect in your post; I'm forced to wonder, how much respect are you displaying to your partner by your behaviour? I'm also sorry you're disappointed with the 3 minute or so interview but allow me to be clear; I'm not an ambassador. I'm not "Mr. Swing". I do not represent the swing community en masse. I am a private individual and my humble opinion is that cheating, although sometimes understandable, is ethically problematic &, for me at least, undesirable. Take care pal - I hope you find the peace you crave. "In the interest of fairness... You are judging someone as being unfair , unethical dishonest and harmful , and these judgments are comming from your own moral stance and a typical communal stance ... weather wrong or right ... its a judgment | |||
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"Two great ambassadors for the lifestyle. Needs to be more open discussions like this rather than news outlets viewing us all as seedy fuckers " Exactly... we're not JUST seedy fookers | |||
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"Excellent presentation by both speakers and an excellent job in promoting the swing lifestyle and this site in particular. It was however disappointing to hear some judgemental comments regarding attached people who wish to embrace the lifestyle but are not in the happy position of being able to do so with the cooperation and or consent of their life partners. Respect and non-judgement are surely key elements of the swing lifestyle and it should be left for consenting adults to decide how best to participate in the swing scene as long as they are open about their situation with those they wish to engage with. Labels are for products not for people. Gemma here, How is it consenting adults if your partner is unaware of what you're doing? People cheat for many reasons and coming onto this site where we collectively like to be open and honest with one another and saying this is your lifestyle because your partner doesn't understand your needs or you've a high sex drive and they just don't get it, really puts the kibosh on anything this lifestyle is trying to achieve. People see comments like this and think well that's what this lifestyle is for. It damages anything positive we are trying to achieve. Knowingly doing something that ultimately would hurt someone you are supposed to protect and love is wrong no matter how high your sex drive is. Consent has to be between everyone. So while I understand judgement and labels are possibly not what you expected by being 'honest' here, the simple fact is if one half of a couple is unaware or unsupportive and you do it anyway, get your big boy pants on and accept the judgement. You'll ultimately hurt someone with your actions and you're knowingly doing so. Disrespectful to the core of a relationship. Ethical non monogamy does exactly what it says on the tin. This opinion is mine. "I think and I may be wrong but I think the point the other poster was making is that they were surprised to hear any judgment calls put in the interview. Your honesty in making a judgment and reason behind your judgment it's perfectly well put . I guess the confusion may be coming from the fact that the community advocates acceptance and being non-judgmental , Yet the interview indicates there may be some caviets to this for some. | |||
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"Hopefully a big influx of unicorns over the next few days . But more likely a load of guys who will be moaning in the forums in a months time that they cant get a meet. Interesting to hear about new apps in the future. Plenty of nice unicorns on here. However, single lads comfortable with couples are the real unicorns on here unfortunately." Really ? I would have thought that is in abundance???? | |||
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" It was however disappointing to hear some judgemental comments regarding attached people who wish to embrace the lifestyle but are not in the happy position of being able to do so with the cooperation and or consent of their life partners. Respect and non-judgement are surely key elements of the swing lifestyle and it should be left for consenting adults to decide how best to participate in the swing scene as long as they are open about their situation with those they wish to engage with. Labels are for products not for people. Hey Sir, Neither I, nor Gemma, offered ANY judgements upon anyone. I can't speak for Gemma, but I can for myself. Apologies, but if you're in a committed relationship or marriage which was formed upon the supposition of monogamy, and you've decided, unilaterally, to alter the terms of that relationship and enjoy sexual experiences with other people without the consent, knowledge and approval of your partner - then, in common parlance, what you're doing is cheating. It's unethical, it's harmful, it's dishonest and and it's unfair. This is the reality. I offer no judgement, people cheat for many reasons. Sometimes VERY valid reasons. But it's still cheating, and it's still unethical, dishonest and unfair. What you want us to do is validate and approve of your behaviour, and there's no onus on anyone to do so. If you're comfortable lying and cheating to your significant other, that's your business, but don't ask me to approve of it or give you some sort of "pass" under the banner of "swinging". You spoke of respect in your post; I'm forced to wonder, how much respect are you displaying to your partner by your behaviour? I'm also sorry you're disappointed with the 3 minute or so interview but allow me to be clear; I'm not an ambassador. I'm not "Mr. Swing". I do not represent the swing community en masse. I am a private individual and my humble opinion is that cheating, although sometimes understandable, is ethically problematic &, for me at least, undesirable. Take care pal - I hope you find the peace you crave.
Your failure to include the opening sentence of my original post in your reply, in which I praised both interviewees for the presentation of their views on swinging, was either a copy and paste error on your part or a deliberate attempt at spin. I will leave it up to you to decide which it was.
Because Newstalk had obviously done their research and discovered that attached people engaging in the swing scene without the consent of their partners is a reality the question was asked and both interviewees were quick to criticise and label those individuals. That in my book is judgement.
I appreciate the opinions you expressed on radio and on here are your strongly held beliefs and i support your right to voice them. I trust you would equally support my right as a paid up supporter of this site to post my opinions on here without having judgemental labels assigned to me personally.
I can assure you that I have been at peace with my own situation for longer than you have been active as a swinger so you need have no concerns regarding my having that as a craving whatever else I may desire in my life.
BTW the "Hey Sir" opening and "Take care pal" closing in your post in my opinion lowered the tone of an otherwise well crafted reply.
STOP CHEATING ON YOUR WIFE.
Leave her or grow a pair. In 7 years on here I have not seen a single valid reason that its ever acceptable. "Deeming something acceptable or unacceptable for oneself and thus - implying this should be deeming that everyone should see it the same ,is that really the point your trying to make ? | |||
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"Excellent presentation by both speakers and an excellent job in promoting the swing lifestyle and this site in particular. It was however disappointing to hear some judgemental comments regarding attached people who wish to embrace the lifestyle but are not in the happy position of being able to do so with the cooperation and or consent of their life partners. Respect and non-judgement are surely key elements of the swing lifestyle and it should be left for consenting adults to decide how best to participate in the swing scene as long as they are open about their situation with those they wish to engage with. Labels are for products not for people. Gemma here, How is it consenting adults if your partner is unaware of what you're doing? People cheat for many reasons and coming onto this site where we collectively like to be open and honest with one another and saying this is your lifestyle because your partner doesn't understand your needs or you've a high sex drive and they just don't get it, really puts the kibosh on anything this lifestyle is trying to achieve. People see comments like this and think well that's what this lifestyle is for. It damages anything positive we are trying to achieve. Knowingly doing something that ultimately would hurt someone you are supposed to protect and love is wrong no matter how high your sex drive is. Consent has to be between everyone. So while I understand judgement and labels are possibly not what you expected by being 'honest' here, the simple fact is if one half of a couple is unaware or unsupportive and you do it anyway, get your big boy pants on and accept the judgement. You'll ultimately hurt someone with your actions and you're knowingly doing so. Disrespectful to the core of a relationship. Ethical non monogamy does exactly what it says on the tin. This opinion is mine.
I think and I may be wrong but I think the point the other poster was making is that they were surprised to hear any judgment calls put in the interview.
Your honesty in making a judgment and reason behind your judgment it's perfectly well put .
I guess the confusion may be coming from the fact that the community advocates acceptance and being non-judgmental , Yet the interview indicates there may be some caviets to this for some."Community is characterised by having same definitions of same things… community - no matter how understanding and open- doesn’t have cup accept those who do not share same definitions. Cheating is not ethical. | |||
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"Good morning, Gemma will be on Newstalk at lunchtime to talk about the scene. Lets know what you think of her sexy voice. Cheers, Pete xx Look op I certainly didn’t and probably won’t listen too it but having said that fair play too you guys We came on here too see if it’s for us maybe it is maybe it’s not We can only try it’s not for everyone a bit like KFC for breakfast We have always wanted to try McDonald’s but didn’t yet anyway Well done " God i love you guys | |||
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"Good morning, Gemma will be on Newstalk at lunchtime to talk about the scene. Lets know what you think of her sexy voice. Cheers, Pete xx" Jeez...only saw this now ..hope it all went well | |||
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"Excellent presentation by both speakers and an excellent job in promoting the swing lifestyle and this site in particular. It was however disappointing to hear some judgemental comments regarding attached people who wish to embrace the lifestyle but are not in the happy position of being able to do so with the cooperation and or consent of their life partners. Respect and non-judgement are surely key elements of the swing lifestyle and it should be left for consenting adults to decide how best to participate in the swing scene as long as they are open about their situation with those they wish to engage with. Labels are for products not for people. Gemma here, How is it consenting adults if your partner is unaware of what you're doing? People cheat for many reasons and coming onto this site where we collectively like to be open and honest with one another and saying this is your lifestyle because your partner doesn't understand your needs or you've a high sex drive and they just don't get it, really puts the kibosh on anything this lifestyle is trying to achieve. People see comments like this and think well that's what this lifestyle is for. It damages anything positive we are trying to achieve. Knowingly doing something that ultimately would hurt someone you are supposed to protect and love is wrong no matter how high your sex drive is. Consent has to be between everyone. So while I understand judgement and labels are possibly not what you expected by being 'honest' here, the simple fact is if one half of a couple is unaware or unsupportive and you do it anyway, get your big boy pants on and accept the judgement. You'll ultimately hurt someone with your actions and you're knowingly doing so. Disrespectful to the core of a relationship. Ethical non monogamy does exactly what it says on the tin. This opinion is mine.
I think and I may be wrong but I think the point the other poster was making is that they were surprised to hear any judgment calls put in the interview.
Your honesty in making a judgment and reason behind your judgment it's perfectly well put .
I guess the confusion may be coming from the fact that the community advocates acceptance and being non-judgmental , Yet the interview indicates there may be some caviets to this for some.
Community is characterised by having same definitions of same things… community - no matter how understanding and open- doesn’t have cup accept those who do not share same definitions. Cheating is not ethical. "No its not ... its characterized bu having say things in common and and an acceptance of eachother . I think cheating is highly unethical, however I'm open enought to know that those thoughts and beliefs stem from me and shouldn't be imposed on others ... | |||
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"If anyone says they're a " Swinger " without their spouses knowledge it's cheating ..full stop. Paint it up anyway you want, if you're having sex with someone else without their knowledge ,it's cheating." I might be wrong, I don't think anyone was saying it's not cheating I think the point being raised was it was surprising to hear Judgment calls being made on cheating in the context of the interview . I guess a good way to look at it is when Somebody asks You is cheating wrong remember You can Only Answer from your own Perspective. I can't possibly tell you that cheating is wrong for everybody else I can only tell you that all you feel there is never a reason for it. Dose that make sense? | |||
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" No its not ... its characterized bu having say things in common and and an acceptance of eachother . I think cheating is highly unethical, however I'm open enought to know that those thoughts and beliefs stem from me and shouldn't be imposed on others ... " You nailed it. Acceptance of eachother. Eachother. Emma - rightly so is promoting lifestyle as ethical non monogamy. If someone likes being no ethical - that’s cool just not in same space. If Woolf wears sheep skin it doesn’t make him parting the flock… same way cheaters make no favours to the swingers community. Even more - whole community is stigmatised as being dishonest because of few cheaters. That’s why community has a right and duty to judge those who destroying it from within. | |||
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"If anyone says they're a " Swinger " without their spouses knowledge it's cheating ..full stop. Paint it up anyway you want, if you're having sex with someone else without their knowledge ,it's cheating. I might be wrong, I don't think anyone was saying it's not cheating I think the point being raised was it was surprising to hear Judgment calls being made on cheating in the context of the interview . I guess a good way to look at it is when Somebody asks You is cheating wrong remember You can Only Answer from your own Perspective. I can't possibly tell you that cheating is wrong for everybody else I can only tell you that all you feel there is never a reason for it. Dose that make sense? " I hear what you're saying...but... swingers on this little island already do have a bad rep usually from people who haven't got a clue what swinging actually is and just imagine some endless orgies where everyone just shags everyone all the time while spreading std's and recruiting minors into their demonic ways (anyone who has been around real swingers knows that there is a community of decent, respectful and moral people, who like to live out their fantasies without harming anyone). If G&G would have said something "oh yes, if you want to cheat on your spouse, come on ahead, we don't judge" - there would have been a huge blow back from vanilla people, especially those who got cheated on. People who are usually the most vocal about how disgusting, hurtful and wrong cheating is are the very people who have been cheated on. They suffered the consequences of unfaithful partner first hand. They know how bad it hurts. They know how damaging it can be, how it affects future relationships, how through the heartbreak they will have trust issues for the rest of their lives. So yeah, people judge, because you have to be a stone cold, heartless creature not to judge someone who is obviously doing the same thing to their partner that was done to you and broke you apart into a million pieces. Cheating and cheaters will never be swingers because cheating is not ethical. Breaking hearts and emotionally damaging your SO, a person you knowingly committed yourself just because you have an itch to scratch to is NOT ethical. Missus | |||
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"If anyone says they're a " Swinger " without their spouses knowledge it's cheating ..full stop. Paint it up anyway you want, if you're having sex with someone else without their knowledge ,it's cheating. I might be wrong, I don't think anyone was saying it's not cheating I think the point being raised was it was surprising to hear Judgment calls being made on cheating in the context of the interview . I guess a good way to look at it is when Somebody asks You is cheating wrong remember You can Only Answer from your own Perspective. I can't possibly tell you that cheating is wrong for everybody else I can only tell you that all you feel there is never a reason for it. Dose that make sense? I hear what you're saying...but... swingers on this little island already do have a bad rep usually from people who haven't got a clue what swinging actually is and just imagine some endless orgies where everyone just shags everyone all the time while spreading std's and recruiting minors into their demonic ways (anyone who has been around real swingers knows that there is a community of decent, respectful and moral people, who like to live out their fantasies without harming anyone). If G&G would have said something "oh yes, if you want to cheat on your spouse, come on ahead, we don't judge" - there would have been a huge blow back from vanilla people, especially those who got cheated on. People who are usually the most vocal about how disgusting, hurtful and wrong cheating is are the very people who have been cheated on. They suffered the consequences of unfaithful partner first hand. They know how bad it hurts. They know how damaging it can be, how it affects future relationships, how through the heartbreak they will have trust issues for the rest of their lives. So yeah, people judge, because you have to be a stone cold, heartless creature not to judge someone who is obviously doing the same thing to their partner that was done to you and broke you apart into a million pieces. Cheating and cheaters will never be swingers because cheating is not ethical. Breaking hearts and emotionally damaging your SO, a person you knowingly committed yourself just because you have an itch to scratch to is NOT ethical. Missus " 100% this! | |||
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" No its not ... its characterized bu having say things in common and and an acceptance of eachother . I think cheating is highly unethical, however I'm open enought to know that those thoughts and beliefs stem from me and shouldn't be imposed on others ... You nailed it. Acceptance of eachother. Eachother. Emma - rightly so is promoting lifestyle as ethical non monogamy. If someone likes being no ethical - that’s cool just not in same space. If Woolf wears sheep skin it doesn’t make him parting the flock… same way cheaters make no favours to the swingers community. Even more - whole community is stigmatised as being dishonest because of few cheaters. That’s why community has a right and duty to judge those who destroying it from within. " Acceptance of each other doesn't mean acceptance of each other providing the act the way you want them to that isn't acceptance. You're basically saying you have the right to pick and choose who you cast out or allow in to your community-based on your personal morals . I would wonder if that is community or dictation in sheep's clothing. Your also getting away from the point... the point being raised as I read it , it its understandable to identify someone as a stereotypical " cheater" Its no so to judge that person based on your feelings about cheating. | |||
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"If anyone says they're a " Swinger " without their spouses knowledge it's cheating ..full stop. Paint it up anyway you want, if you're having sex with someone else without their knowledge ,it's cheating. I might be wrong, I don't think anyone was saying it's not cheating I think the point being raised was it was surprising to hear Judgment calls being made on cheating in the context of the interview . I guess a good way to look at it is when Somebody asks You is cheating wrong remember You can Only Answer from your own Perspective. I can't possibly tell you that cheating is wrong for everybody else I can only tell you that all you feel there is never a reason for it. Dose that make sense? I hear what you're saying...but... swingers on this little island already do have a bad rep usually from people who haven't got a clue what swinging actually is and just imagine some endless orgies where everyone just shags everyone all the time while spreading std's and recruiting minors into their demonic ways (anyone who has been around real swingers knows that there is a community of decent, respectful and moral people, who like to live out their fantasies without harming anyone). If G&G would have said something "oh yes, if you want to cheat on your spouse, come on ahead, we don't judge" - there would have been a huge blow back from vanilla people, especially those who got cheated on. People who are usually the most vocal about how disgusting, hurtful and wrong cheating is are the very people who have been cheated on. They suffered the consequences of unfaithful partner first hand. They know how bad it hurts. They know how damaging it can be, how it affects future relationships, how through the heartbreak they will have trust issues for the rest of their lives. So yeah, people judge, because you have to be a stone cold, heartless creature not to judge someone who is obviously doing the same thing to their partner that was done to you and broke you apart into a million pieces. Cheating and cheaters will never be swingers because cheating is not ethical. Breaking hearts and emotionally damaging your SO, a person you knowingly committed yourself just because you have an itch to scratch to is NOT ethical. Missus " I think to be fair your final paragraph sums up the difference between judging and not judging. You believe that everybody who cheats falls into that last paragraph. I believe that you cannot possibly know that unless you are everybody !and to judge others based on that being a fact, isn't right. "respectful and moral people" Surly we can agree that morals are personal and ones morals may not be anothers , however that dosnt make them wrong ? It seems you are equating someone who may feel morally different about cheating with pedophiles... I know thats not what you mean , however it dose highlight how judgmental and dangerous our words can be . I think its fine to have rules and an ethical code if thats what you,a group, an organization, a community etc agree on . To insist all others are wrong just because they are wrong for you, is very judgmental. My point being and I think maybe the point of the other poster is that what ever you believe if cheating is wrong or not and whatever your moral view is on it, surly its not right to judge others because of this . Religions have imposed their moral beliefs on others for centuries, and judged and condemned those who have different morals for themselves... Surly thats not the road to take | |||
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