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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Imagine paying 250k to go look at a shipwreck 4 miles down only to never return again, 2 billionaires on board almost certainly dead now, even that amount of money can't save them, rip  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Unfortunately they have zero chance of Rescue by an outside source.
Nothing of this magnitude has ever been attempted before. Unless those onboard are capable of an emergency ascent I feel this is not going to end well.
Irespective of billionaire's or not, they are human being's. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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They were bolted in , amounts to the same I know. They had a case last year where the submersible got lost, lost all contact and took the mother ship three hours to find them bobbing on the surface. It's totally dependent on the mother ship for navigation. |
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The moment they made diving on the Titanic a commercial tourist venture, it was always going to increase the potential for accidents on an already difficult process. No margin for error and if it has disconnected from the control ship then they are done. 90 hours of air is a nice margin under circumstances, but they probably (ironically) die of hyperthermia before they die of suffocation.
All this aside from the fact that tourist diving is also accelerating the deterioration of the wreck conditions so questionable they should have been allowed to dive on it in the first place (as a recognised maritime grave site and from a perseveration perspective). |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"They were bolted in , amounts to the same I know. They had a case last year where the submersible got lost, lost all contact and took the mother ship three hours to find them bobbing on the surface. It's totally dependent on the mother ship for navigation."
Yes bolted in from the outside so even if they are at the surface they can't get out unless somebody on the outside is there to help, a few theories are emerging like they might have gotten entangled in something and got stuck or they lost pressure on the way down, if it's the latter they would have dies in 10 seconds anyway clock is ticking here's hoping for a miracle |
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over a year ago
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"They were bolted in , amounts to the same I know. They had a case last year where the submersible got lost, lost all contact and took the mother ship three hours to find them bobbing on the surface. It's totally dependent on the mother ship for navigation.
Yes bolted in from the outside so even if they are at the surface they can't get out unless somebody on the outside is there to help, a few theories are emerging like they might have gotten entangled in something and got stuck or they lost pressure on the way down, if it's the latter they would have dies in 10 seconds anyway clock is ticking here's hoping for a miracle "
Personally, for their sake , I hope it imploded. Be very quick death. Better than sitting there in the freezing cold pitch black for days waiting and knowing you're going to die. |
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"I can't understand why there's no some sort of tracker to locate the thing. A blackbox of a plane can be tracked up to 6km deep water. "
This was the first thing I thought. And surely the first thing the engineers should have thought  |
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"Yet 100s of asylum seekers died in the Med last week and made less news.
This  "
Did it though? I don't listen to the news any more, if I can help it. Just on the radio if I happen to have it on and it seemed to be quite prominent to me over the last week or so. But maybe in comparison, I definitely can stand corrected |
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Unless they've surfaced and are bobbing around in the ocean they've about two more days before they're dead.
Finding them on the ocean floor would nearly be worse, because there is little to nothing anyone can do.
When I heard the story I had hope, then when I saw the craft, I realised there is none! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So if asylum seekers die on their way to a better life it should be reported more?
What about when they actually make it ?? the abuse these people get when they actually get to land
What about our own how are they (asylum seekers)getting all the houses etc ah sure
I’m off to a bed lucky am I |
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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"Yet 100s of asylum seekers died in the Med last week and made less news.
This
Did it though? I don't listen to the news any more, if I can help it. Just on the radio if I happen to have it on and it seemed to be quite prominent to me over the last week or so. But maybe in comparison, I definitely can stand corrected"
America,Canada and France rushing to help these few people which is only right
Last week a few hundred people were allow drown while ships did nothing to help until it was too late |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Yet 100s of asylum seekers died in the Med last week and made less news.
This
Did it though? I don't listen to the news any more, if I can help it. Just on the radio if I happen to have it on and it seemed to be quite prominent to me over the last week or so. But maybe in comparison, I definitely can stand corrected
America,Canada and France rushing to help these few people which is only right
Last week a few hundred people were allow drown while ships did nothing to help until it was too late "
That's the question is the life of a billionaire worth more than the life of an asylum seeker who only has the clothes on his back and we all know what the answer is |
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for those asking seeminly there was a tracker on the sub it gave out a ping of its last location just before it went missing and nothing since so theories now is its either tangled in the titanic or lost all power other problems is theres so much metal wreckage there from titanic and soft mud but also undersea currents could of moved it miles away or as someone also said may of imploded |
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What fascinated me was the expert on ocean rescues on the radio yesterday who said that if you even took a 100m radius from the position of the titanic, it would take weeks or months to thoroughly search it, due to the fact that it's almost 4km down, with poor visibility, and specialist equipment needed.
Noises, seemingly banging, have apparently been picked up under the sea in the last few hours. They've moved the search area as a result. |
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"The idea of being four miles down is horrific, either underwater or underground. I don't understand the attraction to do it.
Paying the equivalent of buying a house for the trip boggles the mind."
Not that it makes much difference either way but it's 2.36 miles down, not 4 miles. |
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"The idea of being four miles down is horrific, either underwater or underground. I don't understand the attraction to do it.
Paying the equivalent of buying a house for the trip boggles the mind.
Not that it makes much difference either way but it's 2.36 miles down, not 4 miles. "
I should have done my own research,l and not just taken it from the thread haha
But yeah the 1.64 miles won't change my thoughts on it. |
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"The idea of being four miles down is horrific, either underwater or underground. I don't understand the attraction to do it.
Paying the equivalent of buying a house for the trip boggles the mind.
Not that it makes much difference either way but it's 2.36 miles down, not 4 miles.
I should have done my own research,l and not just taken it from the thread haha
But yeah the 1.64 miles won't change my thoughts on it."
It's still a seriously long way down and the chances of getting another craft to get down there in time is pretty much non existent by the looks of it. |
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"Only a matter of time before the number of people who died on the Titanic is surpassed by the number either searching for or viewing it."
There's a long long way to go yet.
I think the current theory, based on how much it's deteriorated since it was found, is that it'll have fallen apart completely over time next few decades.
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"I can't understand why there's no some sort of tracker to locate the thing. A blackbox of a plane can be tracked up to 6km deep water. "
Exactly what I was saying, iam obviously no expert but you'd automatically assume that the sub would have a tracker on it of some sort, apparently it was connected to Elon tusks satellites of some sort. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I can't understand why there's no some sort of tracker to locate the thing. A blackbox of a plane can be tracked up to 6km deep water.
Exactly what I was saying, iam obviously no expert but you'd automatically assume that the sub would have a tracker on it of some sort, apparently it was connected to Elon tusks satellites of some sort."
Probably only get 2g that deep. Not enough to check your fab messages |
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
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"I can't understand why there's no some sort of tracker to locate the thing. A blackbox of a plane can be tracked up to 6km deep water.
Exactly what I was saying, iam obviously no expert but you'd automatically assume that the sub would have a tracker on it of some sort, apparently it was connected to Elon tusks satellites of some sort."
sona radar it bounces off they have a rough idea where it is now it's getting something to pull it up like a winch and maybe another sub given the depth may find more hidden treasures or bones of those who jumped overboard |
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
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The law in itself goes on about that it's a criminal offence to disturb the dead yet they keep doing it Egypt for one now this
If their not found would it stop folk going down nope but even if found still wouldn't after seeing the dangers shocking is all I can think |
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"The law in itself goes on about that it's a criminal offence to disturb the dead yet they keep doing it Egypt for one now this
If their not found would it stop folk going down nope but even if found still wouldn't after seeing the dangers shocking is all I can think "
George Mallory, who died on Mt Everest in the 1920s, was asked why he was so determined to climb out. His answer was "because it is there".
I suspect going down to the Titanic would be the same for those who can afford it and are prepared to take the risk.
Going down and looking at it isn't exactly disturbing the dead. I accept the point about Egypt but I'm of two minds as I appreciate the knowledge we've gained by such explorations. I'm also very much of the belief that when you're dead, you're dead.
I do recall hearing someone ask...
"Do you know why the Pyramids aren't in England?" Because the British museum couldn't find a boat big enough for them"
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over a year ago
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"The law in itself goes on about that it's a criminal offence to disturb the dead yet they keep doing it Egypt for one now this
If their not found would it stop folk going down nope but even if found still wouldn't after seeing the dangers shocking is all I can think
George Mallory, who died on Mt Everest in the 1920s, was asked why he was so determined to climb out. His answer was "because it is there".
I suspect going down to the Titanic would be the same for those who can afford it and are prepared to take the risk.
Going down and looking at it isn't exactly disturbing the dead. I accept the point about Egypt but I'm of two minds as I appreciate the knowledge we've gained by such explorations. I'm also very much of the belief that when you're dead, you're dead.
I do recall hearing someone ask...
"Do you know why the Pyramids aren't in England?" Because the British museum couldn't find a boat big enough for them"
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Yes but this is under water technically a grave yard and in past things taken from it and Egypt was also a grave exploring doesn't need to involve taking belongings just pictures and videos but when is the limit hopefully it's a valuable lesson learned from what has happened some things you just leave alone and let the dead rest.... |
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"The law in itself goes on about that it's a criminal offence to disturb the dead yet they keep doing it Egypt for one now this
If their not found would it stop folk going down nope but even if found still wouldn't after seeing the dangers shocking is all I can think
George Mallory, who died on Mt Everest in the 1920s, was asked why he was so determined to climb out. His answer was "because it is there".
I suspect going down to the Titanic would be the same for those who can afford it and are prepared to take the risk.
Going down and looking at it isn't exactly disturbing the dead. I accept the point about Egypt but I'm of two minds as I appreciate the knowledge we've gained by such explorations. I'm also very much of the belief that when you're dead, you're dead.
I do recall hearing someone ask...
"Do you know why the Pyramids aren't in England?" Because the British museum couldn't find a boat big enough for them"
Yes but this is under water technically a grave yard and in past things taken from it and Egypt was also a grave exploring doesn't need to involve taking belongings just pictures and videos but when is the limit hopefully it's a valuable lesson learned from what has happened some things you just leave alone and let the dead rest...."
Yes, we probably shouldn't even clean up after fatal accidents, just let the dead rest.
I'm afraid I believe that dead people are dead, and don't have any sort of consciousness.
I don't imagine these lads were intending to bring up dead bodies from the Titanic anyway, and the chances of there being any bones at all down there are extremely remote.
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
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"The law in itself goes on about that it's a criminal offence to disturb the dead yet they keep doing it Egypt for one now this
If their not found would it stop folk going down nope but even if found still wouldn't after seeing the dangers shocking is all I can think
George Mallory, who died on Mt Everest in the 1920s, was asked why he was so determined to climb out. His answer was "because it is there".
I suspect going down to the Titanic would be the same for those who can afford it and are prepared to take the risk.
Going down and looking at it isn't exactly disturbing the dead. I accept the point about Egypt but I'm of two minds as I appreciate the knowledge we've gained by such explorations. I'm also very much of the belief that when you're dead, you're dead.
I do recall hearing someone ask...
"Do you know why the Pyramids aren't in England?" Because the British museum couldn't find a boat big enough for them"
Yes but this is under water technically a grave yard and in past things taken from it and Egypt was also a grave exploring doesn't need to involve taking belongings just pictures and videos but when is the limit hopefully it's a valuable lesson learned from what has happened some things you just leave alone and let the dead rest....
Yes, we probably shouldn't even clean up after fatal accidents, just let the dead rest.
I'm afraid I believe that dead people are dead, and don't have any sort of consciousness.
I don't imagine these lads were intending to bring up dead bodies from the Titanic anyway, and the chances of there being any bones at all down there are extremely remote.
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It's a resting place did people Go around the twin towers collecting memento a piece of the buildings besides those doing the investigation people who do deserve the consequences |
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
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"The law in itself goes on about that it's a criminal offence to disturb the dead yet they keep doing it Egypt for one now this
If their not found would it stop folk going down nope but even if found still wouldn't after seeing the dangers shocking is all I can think
George Mallory, who died on Mt Everest in the 1920s, was asked why he was so determined to climb out. His answer was "because it is there".
I suspect going down to the Titanic would be the same for those who can afford it and are prepared to take the risk.
Going down and looking at it isn't exactly disturbing the dead. I accept the point about Egypt but I'm of two minds as I appreciate the knowledge we've gained by such explorations. I'm also very much of the belief that when you're dead, you're dead.
I do recall hearing someone ask...
"Do you know why the Pyramids aren't in England?" Because the British museum couldn't find a boat big enough for them"
Yes but this is under water technically a grave yard and in past things taken from it and Egypt was also a grave exploring doesn't need to involve taking belongings just pictures and videos but when is the limit hopefully it's a valuable lesson learned from what has happened some things you just leave alone and let the dead rest....
Yes, we probably shouldn't even clean up after fatal accidents, just let the dead rest.
I'm afraid I believe that dead people are dead, and don't have any sort of consciousness.
I don't imagine these lads were intending to bring up dead bodies from the Titanic anyway, and the chances of there being any bones at all down there are extremely remote.
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You've twisted things here their is a huge difference
Yes, we probably shouldn't even clean up after fatal accidents, just let the dead rest.
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