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I was just in a petrol station and 2 teens on bikes just got off and dropped the bikes on the ground right outside the door.
An elderly man was coming out and told them to move the bikes because someone would trip over them and they told him to feck off and mind his own business.so off he walked shaking his head in anger and sat in his transit van and drove out straight over the 2 bikes mangling both.
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"I was just in a petrol station and 2 teens on bikes just got off and dropped the bikes on the ground right outside the door.
An elderly man was coming out and told them to move the bikes because someone would trip over them and they told him to feck off and mind his own business.so off he walked shaking his head in anger and sat in his transit van and drove out straight over the 2 bikes mangling both.
Fair play to him."
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"  life in the auld dog yet. I would imagine he will get in a bit of trouble though, I’m sure he is caught on cctv"
He obviously thought teaching these kids a lesson was worth the possible criminal damage investigation into his actions...he probably has more to lose now than by trying to do the right thing initially and asking them to move the bikes in the first place...he could have just alerted the staff in the petrol station or wherever it was.
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" life in the auld dog yet. I would imagine he will get in a bit of trouble though, I’m sure he is caught on cctv
He obviously thought teaching these kids a lesson was worth the possible criminal damage investigation into his actions...he probably has more to lose now than by trying to do the right thing initially and asking them to move the bikes in the first place...he could have just alerted the staff in the petrol station or wherever it was.
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Probably heat of the moment for him, will spend the next while worrying about getting a phone call or a knock on the door. Both sides have lost here, him with the worry and the chaps with the broken bikes. All for something as simple as a bit of respect |
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" life in the auld dog yet. I would imagine he will get in a bit of trouble though, I’m sure he is caught on cctv
He obviously thought teaching these kids a lesson was worth the possible criminal damage investigation into his actions...he probably has more to lose now than by trying to do the right thing initially and asking them to move the bikes in the first place...he could have just alerted the staff in the petrol station or wherever it was.
Probably heat of the moment for him, will spend the next while worrying about getting a phone call or a knock on the door. Both sides have lost here, him with the worry and the chaps with the broken bikes. All for something as simple as a bit of respect "
But the likelihood is that the disrespectful teen-agers will have the upper hand - I don't know how the judiciary works in this instance if charges are brought - will he have to replace the bikes, pay damages and possibly get a conviction etc... |
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" life in the auld dog yet. I would imagine he will get in a bit of trouble though, I’m sure he is caught on cctv
He obviously thought teaching these kids a lesson was worth the possible criminal damage investigation into his actions...he probably has more to lose now than by trying to do the right thing initially and asking them to move the bikes in the first place...he could have just alerted the staff in the petrol station or wherever it was.
Probably heat of the moment for him, will spend the next while worrying about getting a phone call or a knock on the door. Both sides have lost here, him with the worry and the chaps with the broken bikes. All for something as simple as a bit of respect
But the likelihood is that the disrespectful teen-agers will have the upper hand - I don't know how the judiciary works in this instance if charges are brought - will he have to replace the bikes, pay damages and possibly get a conviction etc..."
That they will, you would wonder how he managed to drive over them if they were that close to the door though |
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"He definitely won't be caught for it I know the shop owner and he won't be handing over any footage. He was delighted "
Ah fair play, win for him so. Hopefully next time the lads will think differently |
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"He definitely won't be caught for it I know the shop owner and he won't be handing over any footage. He was delighted "
So he's getting off scottfree for criminal damage because of a lack of respect from a couple of teenagers.
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over a year ago
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"He definitely won't be caught for it I know the shop owner and he won't be handing over any footage. He was delighted
So he's getting off scottfree for criminal damage because of a lack of respect from a couple of teenagers.
2 wrongs don't make a right - that's what's wrong with society "
While i agree with your sentiment and dont condone the actions of the old man the deeper question here is why have these kids no respect for others
Firstly other people the old guy was right somebody may get hurt
Secondly the shop owner his insurance was going to bare the brunt of their actions not them
Thirdly it would seem by the intended actions of the shop keep to withold or delete the cctv either he is sick of these kids continualy doing this or hes afraid to confront these kids because of the reprucsions he would face
Respect should have a base line that we treat others with untill they give us reason to either loose our respect or enforce our respect in them
Its easy say two wrongs dont make a right but where do we draw the line what would you have done
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"He definitely won't be caught for it I know the shop owner and he won't be handing over any footage. He was delighted
So he's getting off scottfree for criminal damage because of a lack of respect from a couple of teenagers.
2 wrongs don't make a right - that's what's wrong with society
While i agree with your sentiment and dont condone the actions of the old man the deeper question here is why have these kids no respect for others
Firstly other people the old guy was right somebody may get hurt
Secondly the shop owner his insurance was going to bare the brunt of their actions not them
Thirdly it would seem by the intended actions of the shop keep to withold or delete the cctv either he is sick of these kids continualy doing this or hes afraid to confront these kids because of the reprucsions he would face
Respect should have a base line that we treat others with untill they give us reason to either loose our respect or enforce our respect in them
Its easy say two wrongs dont make a right but where do we draw the line what would you have done
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The 2 lads in question are 16 or 17 and yes the shop owner is sick of them stealing and abusing staff.he told me he reported them to the guards a few times and one of their fathers came down and threatened him |
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"He definitely won't be caught for it I know the shop owner and he won't be handing over any footage. He was delighted
So he's getting off scottfree for criminal damage because of a lack of respect from a couple of teenagers.
2 wrongs don't make a right - that's what's wrong with society
While i agree with your sentiment and dont condone the actions of the old man the deeper question here is why have these kids no respect for others
Firstly other people the old guy was right somebody may get hurt
Secondly the shop owner his insurance was going to bare the brunt of their actions not them
Thirdly it would seem by the intended actions of the shop keep to withold or delete the cctv either he is sick of these kids continualy doing this or hes afraid to confront these kids because of the reprucsions he would face
Respect should have a base line that we treat others with untill they give us reason to either loose our respect or enforce our respect in them
Its easy say two wrongs dont make a right but where do we draw the line what would you have done
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I am fully aware that there is a deeper lying problem here as well as the elderly gent being correct with accidents possibly happening and the owner's insurance being liable.
But where exactly do you draw the line in order to "teach those who do wrong a lesson" without going the legal and lawful route?
I remember a woman here talking about giving someone a blowjob but she didn't consent for him to complete down her throat, which he did anyway. This constitutes sexual assault and is an awful thing to happen. Her answer to "teach him a lesson" was to send a "couple of friends" to do the same to him . This was applauded by a number of people on here.
So do we all use criminal activities to right the wrongs of others?! We'll be back in the dark ages pretty soon.
I don't know what I'd do. I hope in this instance the kids have actually been taught a lesson without repercussions for the driver or the business owner, considering it was mentioned that the father of the teens had threatened the owner after reports to the guards. They seem to be a charming family!
As the Bible states () - violence begets violence |
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And all because we can't give the kids a clip on the ear when they're doing the disrespectful things when growing up
Bring back the Sally rod and the flexible plastic spoon that won't break during a good thrashing I say |
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"He definitely won't be caught for it I know the shop owner and he won't be handing over any footage. He was delighted
So he's getting off scottfree for criminal damage because of a lack of respect from a couple of teenagers.
2 wrongs don't make a right - that's what's wrong with society
While i agree with your sentiment and dont condone the actions of the old man the deeper question here is why have these kids no respect for others
Firstly other people the old guy was right somebody may get hurt
Secondly the shop owner his insurance was going to bare the brunt of their actions not them
Thirdly it would seem by the intended actions of the shop keep to withold or delete the cctv either he is sick of these kids continualy doing this or hes afraid to confront these kids because of the reprucsions he would face
Respect should have a base line that we treat others with untill they give us reason to either loose our respect or enforce our respect in them
Its easy say two wrongs dont make a right but where do we draw the line what would you have done
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"He definitely won't be caught for it I know the shop owner and he won't be handing over any footage. He was delighted
So he's getting off scottfree for criminal damage because of a lack of respect from a couple of teenagers.
2 wrongs don't make a right - that's what's wrong with society
While i agree with your sentiment and dont condone the actions of the old man the deeper question here is why have these kids no respect for others
Firstly other people the old guy was right somebody may get hurt
Secondly the shop owner his insurance was going to bare the brunt of their actions not them
Thirdly it would seem by the intended actions of the shop keep to withold or delete the cctv either he is sick of these kids continualy doing this or hes afraid to confront these kids because of the reprucsions he would face
Respect should have a base line that we treat others with untill they give us reason to either loose our respect or enforce our respect in them
Its easy say two wrongs dont make a right but where do we draw the line what would you have done
I am fully aware that there is a deeper lying problem here as well as the elderly gent being correct with accidents possibly happening and the owner's insurance being liable.
But where exactly do you draw the line in order to "teach those who do wrong a lesson" without going the legal and lawful route?
I remember a woman here talking about giving someone a blowjob but she didn't consent for him to complete down her throat, which he did anyway. This constitutes sexual assault and is an awful thing to happen. Her answer to "teach him a lesson" was to send a "couple of friends" to do the same to him . This was applauded by a number of people on here.
So do we all use criminal activities to right the wrongs of others?! We'll be back in the dark ages pretty soon.
I don't know what I'd do. I hope in this instance the kids have actually been taught a lesson without repercussions for the driver or the business owner, considering it was mentioned that the father of the teens had threatened the owner after reports to the guards. They seem to be a charming family!
As the Bible states () - violence begets violence "
Lets not confuse things we can leave out the other case of sexual assualt as that person was an adult abd i wont comment on the bible
Now back to out two teens in light of the futher information that came to light after both of our first comments maybe the legal route is the way to go making the parents responsible for the actions of the teens until they reach lets suggest as a starting point 18. At least then as soon as these kids show signs of distain for normal socity theroticaly it will be nipped in the bud after all we all learn out base line for respect from our parents
Or should we bring a zero tollerance approach where teens and pre teens who come to the attention of the gaurds be given courses after school or weekends in respect,manners,life choices but these are things parents are charged with primarly passing values on to their off spring so add the parents to the mandatory attendance as well
As mentioned above gone are the days when a gaurd could give a lad a clip across the back of the head you have to wonder since the do gooders have restricted this (not saying bring back corpal punishment)are we now seening the fruits of their folly in a total lack of respect for authority
As for two wrongs dont make a right and thats whats wrong with society maybe the actions of the old man will flick a switch in those lads heads that for every action there is an equal and oppisite reaction and they will think again the next time
It takes a village to rare a child where the parents of these teens have failed to instill basic respect for others this man has stepped in and said stop u can't do that and not expect reprecussions.
I dont believe in corpral punishment or state control (zero tollerance) but i do believe since the changes to ban punishment in favor of the carrot havent worked.I do believe we need to restructure how we deal with deviant kids and total lack of parenting as a solution I think an immediate response by gaurds to a call from shop keeper,gym owner,person on the street to misbehaviour in both teens and adults would help bring about changes in attuide towards others and heavy enforcment of laws and regulation in areas where there is a constant trend of this folowed up with weekend detentions and compulsary courses/schooling may bring us to somekind of utiopia |
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Its the lack of respect for all parties involve thats the problem . Thoses young lads should have know better same goes for the old man . Theres a crowd of eco fools going around letting down tyres on people if they done it to me the would be picking their teeth up with broken fingers  |
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@_j47
I agree that the system is extremely flawed and most certainly don't agree with a zero tolerance policy or police state either.
Unfortunately we'll never have the resources to implement what I would believe to be interesting suggestions you make but a complete overhaul of the system is what's needed (just exterminate any vermin in the process - that was a joke ) |
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"He definitely won't be caught for it I know the shop owner and he won't be handing over any footage. He was delighted
So he's getting off scottfree for criminal damage because of a lack of respect from a couple of teenagers.
2 wrongs don't make a right - that's what's wrong with society
While i agree with your sentiment and dont condone the actions of the old man the deeper question here is why have these kids no respect for others
Firstly other people the old guy was right somebody may get hurt
Secondly the shop owner his insurance was going to bare the brunt of their actions not them
Thirdly it would seem by the intended actions of the shop keep to withold or delete the cctv either he is sick of these kids continualy doing this or hes afraid to confront these kids because of the reprucsions he would face
Respect should have a base line that we treat others with untill they give us reason to either loose our respect or enforce our respect in them
Its easy say two wrongs dont make a right but where do we draw the line what would you have done
I am fully aware that there is a deeper lying problem here as well as the elderly gent being correct with accidents possibly happening and the owner's insurance being liable.
But where exactly do you draw the line in order to "teach those who do wrong a lesson" without going the legal and lawful route?
I remember a woman here talking about giving someone a blowjob but she didn't consent for him to complete down her throat, which he did anyway. This constitutes sexual assault and is an awful thing to happen. Her answer to "teach him a lesson" was to send a "couple of friends" to do the same to him . This was applauded by a number of people on here.
So do we all use criminal activities to right the wrongs of others?! We'll be back in the dark ages pretty soon.
I don't know what I'd do. I hope in this instance the kids have actually been taught a lesson without repercussions for the driver or the business owner, considering it was mentioned that the father of the teens had threatened the owner after reports to the guards. They seem to be a charming family!
As the Bible states () - violence begets violence
Lets not confuse things we can leave out the other case of sexual assualt as that person was an adult abd i wont comment on the bible
Now back to out two teens in light of the futher information that came to light after both of our first comments maybe the legal route is the way to go making the parents responsible for the actions of the teens until they reach lets suggest as a starting point 18. At least then as soon as these kids show signs of distain for normal socity theroticaly it will be nipped in the bud after all we all learn out base line for respect from our parents
Or should we bring a zero tollerance approach where teens and pre teens who come to the attention of the gaurds be given courses after school or weekends in respect,manners,life choices but these are things parents are charged with primarly passing values on to their off spring so add the parents to the mandatory attendance as well
As mentioned above gone are the days when a gaurd could give a lad a clip across the back of the head you have to wonder since the do gooders have restricted this (not saying bring back corpal punishment)are we now seening the fruits of their folly in a total lack of respect for authority
As for two wrongs dont make a right and thats whats wrong with society maybe the actions of the old man will flick a switch in those lads heads that for every action there is an equal and oppisite reaction and they will think again the next time
It takes a village to rare a child where the parents of these teens have failed to instill basic respect for others this man has stepped in and said stop u can't do that and not expect reprecussions.
I dont believe in corpral punishment or state control (zero tollerance) but i do believe since the changes to ban punishment in favor of the carrot havent worked.I do believe we need to restructure how we deal with deviant kids and total lack of parenting as a solution I think an immediate response by gaurds to a call from shop keeper,gym owner,person on the street to misbehaviour in both teens and adults would help bring about changes in attuide towards others and heavy enforcment of laws and regulation in areas where there is a constant trend of this folowed up with weekend detentions and compulsary courses/schooling may bring us to somekind of utiopia "
Just on the topic of guards giving lads a clip on the ear... It might have remained acceptable if they had made do with that. The reason it fell out of favour was because they took their right to give lads a clip on the ear to the extreme and started battering lads in interrogation rooms in order to extract false confessions. Some people bizarrely hold Lugs Brannigan up as some class of hero when in reality he and his heavy gang were thugs in uniforms who did untold damage to the reputation of An Garda Síochána. |
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By *j47Man
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"He definitely won't be caught for it I know the shop owner and he won't be handing over any footage. He was delighted
So he's getting off scottfree for criminal damage because of a lack of respect from a couple of teenagers.
2 wrongs don't make a right - that's what's wrong with society
While i agree with your sentiment and dont condone the actions of the old man the deeper question here is why have these kids no respect for others
Firstly other people the old guy was right somebody may get hurt
Secondly the shop owner his insurance was going to bare the brunt of their actions not them
Thirdly it would seem by the intended actions of the shop keep to withold or delete the cctv either he is sick of these kids continualy doing this or hes afraid to confront these kids because of the reprucsions he would face
Respect should have a base line that we treat others with untill they give us reason to either loose our respect or enforce our respect in them
Its easy say two wrongs dont make a right but where do we draw the line what would you have done
I am fully aware that there is a deeper lying problem here as well as the elderly gent being correct with accidents possibly happening and the owner's insurance being liable.
But where exactly do you draw the line in order to "teach those who do wrong a lesson" without going the legal and lawful route?
I remember a woman here talking about giving someone a blowjob but she didn't consent for him to complete down her throat, which he did anyway. This constitutes sexual assault and is an awful thing to happen. Her answer to "teach him a lesson" was to send a "couple of friends" to do the same to him . This was applauded by a number of people on here.
So do we all use criminal activities to right the wrongs of others?! We'll be back in the dark ages pretty soon.
I don't know what I'd do. I hope in this instance the kids have actually been taught a lesson without repercussions for the driver or the business owner, considering it was mentioned that the father of the teens had threatened the owner after reports to the guards. They seem to be a charming family!
As the Bible states () - violence begets violence
Lets not confuse things we can leave out the other case of sexual assualt as that person was an adult abd i wont comment on the bible
Now back to out two teens in light of the futher information that came to light after both of our first comments maybe the legal route is the way to go making the parents responsible for the actions of the teens until they reach lets suggest as a starting point 18. At least then as soon as these kids show signs of distain for normal socity theroticaly it will be nipped in the bud after all we all learn out base line for respect from our parents
Or should we bring a zero tollerance approach where teens and pre teens who come to the attention of the gaurds be given courses after school or weekends in respect,manners,life choices but these are things parents are charged with primarly passing values on to their off spring so add the parents to the mandatory attendance as well
As mentioned above gone are the days when a gaurd could give a lad a clip across the back of the head you have to wonder since the do gooders have restricted this (not saying bring back corpal punishment)are we now seening the fruits of their folly in a total lack of respect for authority
As for two wrongs dont make a right and thats whats wrong with society maybe the actions of the old man will flick a switch in those lads heads that for every action there is an equal and oppisite reaction and they will think again the next time
It takes a village to rare a child where the parents of these teens have failed to instill basic respect for others this man has stepped in and said stop u can't do that and not expect reprecussions.
I dont believe in corpral punishment or state control (zero tollerance) but i do believe since the changes to ban punishment in favor of the carrot havent worked.I do believe we need to restructure how we deal with deviant kids and total lack of parenting as a solution I think an immediate response by gaurds to a call from shop keeper,gym owner,person on the street to misbehaviour in both teens and adults would help bring about changes in attuide towards others and heavy enforcment of laws and regulation in areas where there is a constant trend of this folowed up with weekend detentions and compulsary courses/schooling may bring us to somekind of utiopia
Just on the topic of guards giving lads a clip on the ear... It might have remained acceptable if they had made do with that. The reason it fell out of favour was because they took their right to give lads a clip on the ear to the extreme and started battering lads in interrogation rooms in order to extract false confessions. Some people bizarrely hold Lugs Brannigan up as some class of hero when in reality he and his heavy gang were thugs in uniforms who did untold damage to the reputation of An Garda Síochána. "
And done it with the knowlage of their bosses thats not the level we are talking about Micheal
Theres always going to be extremes and we need checks and balances but at the moment in my opinion its tilted towards disrespect for authority and rules of normal society
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"He definitely won't be caught for it I know the shop owner and he won't be handing over any footage. He was delighted
So he's getting off scottfree for criminal damage because of a lack of respect from a couple of teenagers.
2 wrongs don't make a right - that's what's wrong with society
While i agree with your sentiment and dont condone the actions of the old man the deeper question here is why have these kids no respect for others
Firstly other people the old guy was right somebody may get hurt
Secondly the shop owner his insurance was going to bare the brunt of their actions not them
Thirdly it would seem by the intended actions of the shop keep to withold or delete the cctv either he is sick of these kids continualy doing this or hes afraid to confront these kids because of the reprucsions he would face
Respect should have a base line that we treat others with untill they give us reason to either loose our respect or enforce our respect in them
Its easy say two wrongs dont make a right but where do we draw the line what would you have done
I am fully aware that there is a deeper lying problem here as well as the elderly gent being correct with accidents possibly happening and the owner's insurance being liable.
But where exactly do you draw the line in order to "teach those who do wrong a lesson" without going the legal and lawful route?
I remember a woman here talking about giving someone a blowjob but she didn't consent for him to complete down her throat, which he did anyway. This constitutes sexual assault and is an awful thing to happen. Her answer to "teach him a lesson" was to send a "couple of friends" to do the same to him . This was applauded by a number of people on here.
So do we all use criminal activities to right the wrongs of others?! We'll be back in the dark ages pretty soon.
I don't know what I'd do. I hope in this instance the kids have actually been taught a lesson without repercussions for the driver or the business owner, considering it was mentioned that the father of the teens had threatened the owner after reports to the guards. They seem to be a charming family!
As the Bible states () - violence begets violence
Lets not confuse things we can leave out the other case of sexual assualt as that person was an adult abd i wont comment on the bible
Now back to out two teens in light of the futher information that came to light after both of our first comments maybe the legal route is the way to go making the parents responsible for the actions of the teens until they reach lets suggest as a starting point 18. At least then as soon as these kids show signs of distain for normal socity theroticaly it will be nipped in the bud after all we all learn out base line for respect from our parents
Or should we bring a zero tollerance approach where teens and pre teens who come to the attention of the gaurds be given courses after school or weekends in respect,manners,life choices but these are things parents are charged with primarly passing values on to their off spring so add the parents to the mandatory attendance as well
As mentioned above gone are the days when a gaurd could give a lad a clip across the back of the head you have to wonder since the do gooders have restricted this (not saying bring back corpal punishment)are we now seening the fruits of their folly in a total lack of respect for authority
As for two wrongs dont make a right and thats whats wrong with society maybe the actions of the old man will flick a switch in those lads heads that for every action there is an equal and oppisite reaction and they will think again the next time
It takes a village to rare a child where the parents of these teens have failed to instill basic respect for others this man has stepped in and said stop u can't do that and not expect reprecussions.
I dont believe in corpral punishment or state control (zero tollerance) but i do believe since the changes to ban punishment in favor of the carrot havent worked.I do believe we need to restructure how we deal with deviant kids and total lack of parenting as a solution I think an immediate response by gaurds to a call from shop keeper,gym owner,person on the street to misbehaviour in both teens and adults would help bring about changes in attuide towards others and heavy enforcment of laws and regulation in areas where there is a constant trend of this folowed up with weekend detentions and compulsary courses/schooling may bring us to somekind of utiopia
Just on the topic of guards giving lads a clip on the ear... It might have remained acceptable if they had made do with that. The reason it fell out of favour was because they took their right to give lads a clip on the ear to the extreme and started battering lads in interrogation rooms in order to extract false confessions. Some people bizarrely hold Lugs Brannigan up as some class of hero when in reality he and his heavy gang were thugs in uniforms who did untold damage to the reputation of An Garda Síochána.
And done it with the knowlage of their bosses thats not the level we are talking about Micheal
Theres always going to be extremes and we need checks and balances but at the moment in my opinion its tilted towards disrespect for authority and rules of normal society
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You start with one and you end up with the other. That's a fact, unfortunately.
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By *j47Man
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You start with one and you end up with the other. That's a fact, unfortunately.
Un-checked yes but the inverse is also apilable in that we now have a society where shop keepers and buisness are afraid to say anything to a kid because the local big guy will threaten them so they put up with the loss, people are afraid to help others for fear it turns on them prefering to video it and post it. Nightclubs are letting dealing go on because they fear retribution from tugs. If this kind of attuide is nipped in the bud early surely in time we can live and let live without fear
I am talking about the simple things orginised crime and lets say higher end crimes including white collar curroption have to be dealt with under different set rules here we need zero tollerance and balance and check to be sure the watcher is free to do his job but not over step the line or be drawn in to crime |
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Not v smart. Petrol stations have cctv and will have recorded that. If these guys called the guards then this guys number plate would be clearly visible.
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"You start with one and you end up with the other. That's a fact, unfortunately.
Un-checked yes but the inverse is also apilable in that we now have a society where shop keepers and buisness are afraid to say anything to a kid because the local big guy will threaten them so they put up with the loss, people are afraid to help others for fear it turns on them prefering to video it and post it. Nightclubs are letting dealing go on because they fear retribution from tugs. If this kind of attuide is nipped in the bud early surely in time we can live and let live without fear
I am talking about the simple things orginised crime and lets say higher end crimes including white collar curroption have to be dealt with under different set rules here we need zero tollerance and balance and check to be sure the watcher is free to do his job but not over step the line or be drawn in to crime "
All of those things can be dealt with legally, without vigilantism. Driving over kids bicycles, if it actually happened, is not the way forward, and I have to admit I'm sceptical enough about this actual story.
The lack of visible policing is a huge problem, creating vast areas where people know there will be no garda presence and they can basically do what they want, and it's that insidious, often low level, anti social behaviour that makes people miserable and angry. It's easily stamped out by visible policing.
Drugs and nightclubs are another issue. A number of the people appointed to keep the drugs or if the clubs are the very ones bringing them in, with some owners turning a blind eye themselves for commercial reasons as much as fear. Again, visible policing will help as long as we don't end up with the type of policing we saw in Donegal where Gardaí themselves were planting the drugs in order to blacken the reputation of the club owner. |
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"Not v smart. Petrol stations have cctv and will have recorded that. If these guys called the guards then this guys number plate would be clearly visible.
(If this is indeed true which it almost certainly isnt)"
Yeah, you're not the only sceptical one here |
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over a year ago
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"You start with one and you end up with the other. That's a fact, unfortunately.
Un-checked yes but the inverse is also apilable in that we now have a society where shop keepers and buisness are afraid to say anything to a kid because the local big guy will threaten them so they put up with the loss, people are afraid to help others for fear it turns on them prefering to video it and post it. Nightclubs are letting dealing go on because they fear retribution from tugs. If this kind of attuide is nipped in the bud early surely in time we can live and let live without fear
I am talking about the simple things orginised crime and lets say higher end crimes including white collar curroption have to be dealt with under different set rules here we need zero tollerance and balance and check to be sure the watcher is free to do his job but not over step the line or be drawn in to crime
All of those things can be dealt with legally, without vigilantism. Driving over kids bicycles, if it actually happened, is not the way forward, and I have to admit I'm sceptical enough about this actual story.
The lack of visible policing is a huge problem, creating vast areas where people know there will be no garda presence and they can basically do what they want, and it's that insidious, often low level, anti social behaviour that makes people miserable and angry. It's easily stamped out by visible policing.
Drugs and nightclubs are another issue. A number of the people appointed to keep the drugs or if the clubs are the very ones bringing them in, with some owners turning a blind eye themselves for commercial reasons as much as fear. Again, visible policing will help as long as we don't end up with the type of policing we saw in Donegal where Gardaí themselves were planting the drugs in order to blacken the reputation of the club owner. "
I totally agree with you visable policing is the way to go we seen it here when the gangs got out of hand swarming certain areas with patrols and check points ch*ked the gangs, At the same time drove them back underground.
In the case above weather its true or not if the case was that a gaurd could be summoned quickly or happened to be in the area these kids may have a different outlook |
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"You start with one and you end up with the other. That's a fact, unfortunately.
Un-checked yes but the inverse is also apilable in that we now have a society where shop keepers and buisness are afraid to say anything to a kid because the local big guy will threaten them so they put up with the loss, people are afraid to help others for fear it turns on them prefering to video it and post it. Nightclubs are letting dealing go on because they fear retribution from tugs. If this kind of attuide is nipped in the bud early surely in time we can live and let live without fear
I am talking about the simple things orginised crime and lets say higher end crimes including white collar curroption have to be dealt with under different set rules here we need zero tollerance and balance and check to be sure the watcher is free to do his job but not over step the line or be drawn in to crime
All of those things can be dealt with legally, without vigilantism. Driving over kids bicycles, if it actually happened, is not the way forward, and I have to admit I'm sceptical enough about this actual story.
The lack of visible policing is a huge problem, creating vast areas where people know there will be no garda presence and they can basically do what they want, and it's that insidious, often low level, anti social behaviour that makes people miserable and angry. It's easily stamped out by visible policing.
Drugs and nightclubs are another issue. A number of the people appointed to keep the drugs or if the clubs are the very ones bringing them in, with some owners turning a blind eye themselves for commercial reasons as much as fear. Again, visible policing will help as long as we don't end up with the type of policing we saw in Donegal where Gardaí themselves were planting the drugs in order to blacken the reputation of the club owner.
I totally agree with you visable policing is the way to go we seen it here when the gangs got out of hand swarming certain areas with patrols and check points ch*ked the gangs, At the same time drove them back underground.
In the case above weather its true or not if the case was that a gaurd could be summoned quickly or happened to be in the area these kids may have a different outlook"
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Why are we surprised? The lack of respect some people have for others has always been part of Irish society since as long as I can remember, maybe it's an Irish thing I don't know I've never lived anywhere else |
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