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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Probably for the best. I doubt the man could function in free society. He would not know what to do with himself after his 15mins of fame and interviews go away."
I personally think he should be reintegrated into society slowly, they even denied him a move to a more open prison, surely he’s ‘done his time’ he’s a 70 year old man. |
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I'm reluctant to second-guess the parole officers, who will have seen all sorts of material and details that we haven't; just like I'm also reluctant to second-guess those who release prisoners and we all go 'WTF?'
But, yeah, given his age, the length of time he's spent in jail and the fact that he hasn't killed anyone, but has just had time added onto his sentences for stuff that happened in the prison, it does seem harsh. Like you say, OP, surely some sort of reintegration into society would be the way ahead. It's hard not to think that his tabloid notoriety is a factor in him not getting out. |
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By *ustBoWoman
over a year ago
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"Probably for the best. I doubt the man could function in free society. He would not know what to do with himself after his 15mins of fame and interviews go away.
I personally think he should be reintegrated into society slowly, they even denied him a move to a more open prison, surely he’s ‘done his time’ he’s a 70 year old man. "
I don't think his age should be a factor just because he is 70 doesn't mean he wouldn't be a danger.The fact he reoffended when out before stands against him plus the fact when he can't be held in general population due to his actions when he does. Yes he did the time for his original crimes the rest of the time has been added due to his own behaviour.If they refuse to move him to an open prison first there is probably no chance he will ever get released.
I don't really know the ins and outs of his case I've only read bits and pieces over the years.But it's a sad life to have been institutionalised for the majority of your life.But sometimes people cannot be rehabilitated no matter how much they claim they have changed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Its a sad waste of a life, but if they don't believe he is rehabilitated then it would be a danger to the public and himself for to be reintegrated to society. |
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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago
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Michael Peterson, who has changed his name several times as is better known as Charles Bronson (and is therefore often confused with the famous actor) is clearly an individual with a long psychiatric history having spent time in all three of England's maximum hospitals: Rampton, Broadmoor and Ashworth.
The Forensic Psychatrists' reports undoubtedly reveal a long history of violent behaviour, rendering him too dangerous to release into society.
Furthermore, he is deeply institutionalised and thus unable to adjust to living outside.
He will probably die in prison or in one of the psychiatric facilities.
He accumulated almost all of his convictions whilst in prison, and was rarely part of the general prison population, thus spending his time in isolation to protect the other inmates from his violent outbursts
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm reluctant to second-guess the parole officers, who will have seen all sorts of material and details that we haven't; just like I'm also reluctant to second-guess those who release prisoners and we all go 'WTF?'
But, yeah, given his age, the length of time he's spent in jail and the fact that he hasn't killed anyone, but has just had time added onto his sentences for stuff that happened in the prison, it does seem harsh. Like you say, OP, surely some sort of reintegration into society would be the way ahead. It's hard not to think that his tabloid notoriety is a factor in him not getting out."
If you read up on what he has done in prison to be still in there you would understand why he has been denied parole. |
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"I'm reluctant to second-guess the parole officers, who will have seen all sorts of material and details that we haven't; just like I'm also reluctant to second-guess those who release prisoners and we all go 'WTF?'
But, yeah, given his age, the length of time he's spent in jail and the fact that he hasn't killed anyone, but has just had time added onto his sentences for stuff that happened in the prison, it does seem harsh. Like you say, OP, surely some sort of reintegration into society would be the way ahead. It's hard not to think that his tabloid notoriety is a factor in him not getting out.
If you read up on what he has done in prison to be still in there you would understand why he has been denied parole. "
I have, but thanks for the condescension. |
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By *onnrodMan
over a year ago
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"Michael Peterson, who has changed his name several times as is better known as Charles Bronson (and is therefore often confused with the famous actor) is clearly an individual with a long psychiatric history having spent time in all three of England's maximum hospitals: Rampton, Broadmoor and Ashworth.
The Forensic Psychatrists' reports undoubtedly reveal a long history of violent behaviour, rendering him too dangerous to release into society.
Furthermore, he is deeply institutionalised and thus unable to adjust to living outside.
He will probably die in prison or in one of the psychiatric facilities.
He accumulated almost all of his convictions whilst in prison, and was rarely part of the general prison population, thus spending his time in isolation to protect the other inmates from his violent outbursts
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Thanks for saving us the 5 seconds it took to Google him  |
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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago
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"Michael Peterson, who has changed his name several times as is better known as Charles Bronson (and is therefore often confused with the famous actor) is clearly an individual with a long psychiatric history having spent time in all three of England's maximum hospitals: Rampton, Broadmoor and Ashworth.
The Forensic Psychatrists' reports undoubtedly reveal a long history of violent behaviour, rendering him too dangerous to release into society.
Furthermore, he is deeply institutionalised and thus unable to adjust to living outside.
He will probably die in prison or in one of the psychiatric facilities.
He accumulated almost all of his convictions whilst in prison, and was rarely part of the general prison population, thus spending his time in isolation to protect the other inmates from his violent outbursts
Thanks for saving us the 5 seconds it took to Google him "
It had nothing to do with Google; I have been aware of Charles Bronson for decades, and there were recent UK TV programmes called Parole that dealt with Bronson and other dangerous prisoners.
He has been featuring in UK papers for the past thirty years due to his protests; attacks on other prisoners when back within the general population; riots, violent outbursts and severely disordered psychopathic personality; his incessant damage to prison facilities; and the fact that his original offence was spent decades ago.
Regrettably, he could not be trusted to function in a normal society. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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I’m undecided to be fair, on one hand yes I think for him to be freed into society would be more detrimental to him than anyone else. He would find it horrifically difficult to function in a ‘normal’ society. Thus more than likely returning to his previous ways.
But I also believe he is being made an Example out of…..look at some crimes that are committed today and some people aren’t even prosecuted, let alone incarcerated. In the grand scale of things the crimes he committed are relatively minor in comparison to some who are given suspended sentences for things like murder, pedophilia, sexual assault etc. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm reluctant to second-guess the parole officers, who will have seen all sorts of material and details that we haven't; just like I'm also reluctant to second-guess those who release prisoners and we all go 'WTF?'
But, yeah, given his age, the length of time he's spent in jail and the fact that he hasn't killed anyone, but has just had time added onto his sentences for stuff that happened in the prison, it does seem harsh. Like you say, OP, surely some sort of reintegration into society would be the way ahead. It's hard not to think that his tabloid notoriety is a factor in him not getting out.
If you read up on what he has done in prison to be still in there you would understand why he has been denied parole.
I have, but thanks for the condescension."
how was my reply condesending , sounds like your a menber of the DUP,  |
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"I’m undecided to be fair, on one hand yes I think for him to be freed into society would be more detrimental to him than anyone else. He would find it horrifically difficult to function in a ‘normal’ society. Thus more than likely returning to his previous ways.
But I also believe he is being made an Example out of…..look at some crimes that are committed today and some people aren’t even prosecuted, let alone incarcerated. In the grand scale of things the crimes he committed are relatively minor in comparison to some who are given suspended sentences for things like murder, pedophilia, sexual assault etc. "
As someone else said on thread, it's what he has done in prison that has kept him there that long. My personal view is to keep him locked up, I know he is 70 but that doesn't mean he is not still dangerous. Imagine the uproar if he did get out and reoffend.
I agree with the last part of your comment OP. Sentences are far too lenient these days. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I’m undecided to be fair, on one hand yes I think for him to be freed into society would be more detrimental to him than anyone else. He would find it horrifically difficult to function in a ‘normal’ society. Thus more than likely returning to his previous ways.
But I also believe he is being made an Example out of…..look at some crimes that are committed today and some people aren’t even prosecuted, let alone incarcerated. In the grand scale of things the crimes he committed are relatively minor in comparison to some who are given suspended sentences for things like murder, pedophilia, sexual assault etc.
As someone else said on thread, it's what he has done in prison that has kept him there that long. My personal view is to keep him locked up, I know he is 70 but that doesn't mean he is not still dangerous. Imagine the uproar if he did get out and reoffend.
I agree with the last part of your comment OP. Sentences are far too lenient these days."
Agreed about the uproar if he reoffended but just think….. he might not ever reoffend again and live a law abiding life for the remainder of it.  |
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"I’m undecided to be fair, on one hand yes I think for him to be freed into society would be more detrimental to him than anyone else. He would find it horrifically difficult to function in a ‘normal’ society. Thus more than likely returning to his previous ways.
But I also believe he is being made an Example out of…..look at some crimes that are committed today and some people aren’t even prosecuted, let alone incarcerated. In the grand scale of things the crimes he committed are relatively minor in comparison to some who are given suspended sentences for things like murder, pedophilia, sexual assault etc.
As someone else said on thread, it's what he has done in prison that has kept him there that long. My personal view is to keep him locked up, I know he is 70 but that doesn't mean he is not still dangerous. Imagine the uproar if he did get out and reoffend.
I agree with the last part of your comment OP. Sentences are far too lenient these days.
Agreed about the uproar if he reoffended but just think….. he might not ever reoffend again and live a law abiding life for the remainder of it. "
It's a hard one alright but I always err on the side of caution in this sort of situation |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I’m undecided to be fair, on one hand yes I think for him to be freed into society would be more detrimental to him than anyone else. He would find it horrifically difficult to function in a ‘normal’ society. Thus more than likely returning to his previous ways.
But I also believe he is being made an Example out of…..look at some crimes that are committed today and some people aren’t even prosecuted, let alone incarcerated. In the grand scale of things the crimes he committed are relatively minor in comparison to some who are given suspended sentences for things like murder, pedophilia, sexual assault etc.
As someone else said on thread, it's what he has done in prison that has kept him there that long. My personal view is to keep him locked up, I know he is 70 but that doesn't mean he is not still dangerous. Imagine the uproar if he did get out and reoffend.
I agree with the last part of your comment OP. Sentences are far too lenient these days.
Agreed about the uproar if he reoffended but just think….. he might not ever reoffend again and live a law abiding life for the remainder of it.
It's a hard one alright but I always err on the side of caution in this sort of situation "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Just wondering what the views are on Charles Bronson being denied parole and being kept in prison?
To be fair, I'd rather not bump into him when I'm down in Aldi"
It might make for an interesting shopping trip |
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"I’m undecided to be fair, on one hand yes I think for him to be freed into society would be more detrimental to him than anyone else. He would find it horrifically difficult to function in a ‘normal’ society. Thus more than likely returning to his previous ways.
But I also believe he is being made an Example out of…..look at some crimes that are committed today and some people aren’t even prosecuted, let alone incarcerated. In the grand scale of things the crimes he committed are relatively minor in comparison to some who are given suspended sentences for things like murder, pedophilia, sexual assault etc.
As someone else said on thread, it's what he has done in prison that has kept him there that long. My personal view is to keep him locked up, I know he is 70 but that doesn't mean he is not still dangerous. Imagine the uproar if he did get out and reoffend.
I agree with the last part of your comment OP. Sentences are far too lenient these days.
Agreed about the uproar if he reoffended but just think….. he might not ever reoffend again and live a law abiding life for the remainder of it.
It's a hard one alright but I always err on the side of caution in this sort of situation
Very wise! "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just wondering what the views are on Charles Bronson being denied parole and being kept in prison? "
It is a hard one to call... Part of me thinks he should be afforded the opportunity to be released, even though I think it would require careful monitoring.
I do feel that he is somebody that has been let down by the system, in that I think that prison/psychiatric services have failed to help to rehabilitate him. Interestingly, from anything I have read, he isn't somebody I would fear, even though I know that he has been very violent. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Just wondering what the views are on Charles Bronson being denied parole and being kept in prison?
It is a hard one to call... Part of me thinks he should be afforded the opportunity to be released, even though I think it would require careful monitoring.
I do feel that he is somebody that has been let down by the system, in that I think that prison/psychiatric services have failed to help to rehabilitate him. Interestingly, from anything I have read, he isn't somebody I would fear, even though I know that he has been very violent. "
Totally agree, I think he has largely been forgotten about and left to rot in prison. I also think a huge part of his behaviours whilst in prison have been down to frustration, so yes I also fully believe he has been let down by our judicial system. |
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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago
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The judicial system and its processes facilitated his entry to prison, but once in there it is the Prison Service, Probation Service and Psychiatric Services that have to deal with him.
There was at one time a special unit that prisoner like Bronson could be sent to called Grendon Wood, that dealt with prisoners with severe personality disorders, but I do not know if it still exists.
A personality disorder is a rigid, deeply ingrained pattern of behaviour that is extremely difficult to ameliorate.
It is thought that 80% of prisoners suffer from BPD (Borderline Personality) which is very difficult to treat. Many prisoners are co-morbidly disordered: they have two or more disorders, such as:
Sociopathic & Antisocial
Narcissistic
Oppositional & Defiant.
Many prisoners also have organic mental illness:
Shizophrenia
Schizoid Personality
Schizoaffective
Bipolar, etc
Prisons are effectively warehouses for disordered and mentally ill people.
The most dangerous are sent to Carstairs Scotland and in England: Broadmoor, Rampton and Ashworth.
In Ireland, they are sent to the new CMH at Portrane |
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Let him out!!!!!
He's 70 years old now .
He's done his time and much much more.
Yes he was violent but he first went to prison for armed robberies never murder or any harm to anyone till in prison.
Yes he held people hostages but the prison art teacher Phil Daniels he held even now says he's done his time let him out.
Nearly 50 yrs in prison most in solitary confirment. Makes you wonder why keep him in..... |
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By *onnrodMan
over a year ago
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"Let him out!!!!!
He's 70 years old now .
He's done his time and much much more.
Yes he was violent but he first went to prison for armed robberies never murder or any harm to anyone till in prison.
Yes he held people hostages but the prison art teacher Phil Daniels he held even now says he's done his time let him out.
Nearly 50 yrs in prison most in solitary confirment. Makes you wonder why keep him in..... "
Because the things he did in prison are still crimes, things he'd done that, if he'd done them outside of prison he'd be locked up for. Hence all the extensions to his sentence.
If he's still willing to offend in a closed authoritarian system like a prison then I don't see much chance he'll keep his nose clean outside, especially given how society has changed since he's been in. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Let him out!!!!!
He's 70 years old now .
He's done his time and much much more.
Yes he was violent but he first went to prison for armed robberies never murder or any harm to anyone till in prison.
Yes he held people hostages but the prison art teacher Phil Daniels he held even now says he's done his time let him out.
Nearly 50 yrs in prison most in solitary confirment. Makes you wonder why keep him in.....
Because the things he did in prison are still crimes, things he'd done that, if he'd done them outside of prison he'd be locked up for. Hence all the extensions to his sentence.
If he's still willing to offend in a closed authoritarian system like a prison then I don't see much chance he'll keep his nose clean outside, especially given how society has changed since he's been in."
I don't know... While he has committed terribly violent acts within prison, anything I have read would lead me to conclude that the system, itself, has failed him. The onus is supposed to be on rehabilitation and there isn't a one size fits all approach to doing that. He strikes me as someone who was misguided can be quite emotionally immature, but then expresses regret. How he is even somewhat able to reflect after all the time spent in solitary confinement and psychiatric hospitals is a miracle, in & of itself.
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"Let him out!!!!!
He's 70 years old now .
He's done his time and much much more.
Yes he was violent but he first went to prison for armed robberies never murder or any harm to anyone till in prison.
Yes he held people hostages but the prison art teacher Phil Daniels he held even now says he's done his time let him out.
Nearly 50 yrs in prison most in solitary confirment. Makes you wonder why keep him in.....
Because the things he did in prison are still crimes, things he'd done that, if he'd done them outside of prison he'd be locked up for. Hence all the extensions to his sentence.
If he's still willing to offend in a closed authoritarian system like a prison then I don't see much chance he'll keep his nose clean outside, especially given how society has changed since he's been in.
I don't know... While he has committed terribly violent acts within prison, anything I have read would lead me to conclude that the system, itself, has failed him. The onus is supposed to be on rehabilitation and there isn't a one size fits all approach to doing that. He strikes me as someone who was misguided can be quite emotionally immature, but then expresses regret. How he is even somewhat able to reflect after all the time spent in solitary confinement and psychiatric hospitals is a miracle, in & of itself.
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The system has undoubtedly failed him. The rehabilitation they get is a joke, and now it's probably too late |
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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago
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The Parole Commissioners would be afraid to free him because if he made one mistake on the outside, the media would jump on them for letting him out.
His infamy and reputation has become far too big to facilitate his release. |
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