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By *ubal1 OP Man
over a year ago
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Miceal Martin has stated that homeschooling may be inadvisable when it can produce dysfunctional children who have been schooled in isolation, away from a school where a teacher and fellow pupils helps in a socialisation process, that is critical to a rounded development.
Do you know anyone who has been homeschooled, and was there an adverse outcome? |
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By *ubal1 OP Man
over a year ago
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"I wonder evidence he bases that opinion on. The evidence I've heard seems to indicate he is wrong."
He is referring to the infamous homeschooled family who have been recently causing chaos in the Dublin courts, at a school in Westmeath and at NUI Galway. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think one of the fundamentals of home schooling is to ensure the child has exposure to many opportunities to develop socially. Home schooling doesn't, and shouldn't, mean a child is isolated.
I know a family of 4 children ranging from a preschooler to university age who are/have been all home-schooled. It's incredible to see the various activities they've been involved in over the 10 years I've known them, whether it's music, sport, charity work or young enterprise.
They're absolutely lovely well-rounded children too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"My boy is refusing to go due to bullying and anxiety, I have no choice but to home school, it's not a sociable place for the kids who are different to the others "
I suppose we are lucky that most of them enjoy going but if I had to do it I would
In your situation I would definitely keep them him at home, don’t think it will alter his future if he’s home schooled
They all find their own path anyway |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The option should be available to all home schooling or public schooling, just because a few nutjobs were home schooled doesn't mean all people who are home schooled are the same, what works for some won't work for others, with public schooling you have 30 children in a class all from different backgrounds, inevitably some will struggle in relating to each other and bullying will occur, I think children who are bullied would suit best for home schooling for their own mental health and development |
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Bullying is inexcusable in any situation but unfortunately is an almost unavoidable element of most group interactions whether in school, work, recreation or community activities.
One way to counteract bullying is to develop people's selfconfidence and selfworth and this can, in most cases, be achieved through social interactions with peers.
IMHO home schooling, by its nature, isolates students from this valuable social interaction and while possibly shielding them from any of the negative aspects of mainstream schooling it may limit their opportunity for personal growth and the development of the necessary social skills required for proper participation in broader society.
Academic knowledge is significantly devalued without the necessary "street smarts" required to apply it in our normal social intercourse |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Bullying is inexcusable in any situation but unfortunately is an almost unavoidable element of most group interactions whether in school, work, recreation or community activities.
One way to counteract bullying is to develop people's selfconfidence and selfworth and this can, in most cases, be achieved through social interactions with peers.
IMHO home schooling, by its nature, isolates students from this valuable social interaction and while possibly shielding them from any of the negative aspects of mainstream schooling it may limit their opportunity for personal growth and the development of the necessary social skills required for proper participation in broader society.
Academic knowledge is significantly devalued without the necessary "street smarts" required to apply it in our normal social intercourse "
Not if efforts are made, as they should be, to afford home schooled children the opportunity to form social interactions elsewhere. We shouldn't really be relying solely on schools for this important aspect of development |
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The children in mainstream education should also be afforded the opportunity of social interaction outside of school, and most do, through sport, dance, music and other extra curricular activities.
They also have the advantage of socialising within the school environment which home schooling doesn't allow. |
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I know a home school kid who is 14 and he can only barely read and write doesn't mix well with other kids . The reason he can't read of write is because his mother let's him study what ever he is interested in . Sure basic literacy is a must in this day and age. Yes he may have learning difficulties but if he was in or local school they have a great support team . |
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"The children in mainstream education should also be afforded the opportunity of social interaction outside of school, and most do, through sport, dance, music and other extra curricular activities.
They also have the advantage of socialising within the school environment which home schooling doesn't allow. "
There are plenty of homeschooling groups where homeschoolers bring their children to mingle with other children and have access to other educators.
A public school environment isn't the only environment where children can experience an environment with hierarchies, social settings, group activities, mingling with peers etc... |
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By *ubal1 OP Man
over a year ago
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"In fairness to the Mayo family they are all well educated so home schooling has worked for them.
Their well publicised legal problems stem from their religious beliefs "
They have been schooled at home by their mother, but, IMO, having observed them at close quarters, they are being used as proxies to promulgate the views of their mother, who has the traits of a personality disorder.
I attended most of the recent High Court hearings all of the Court of Appeal hearings, and all four days of the Four Courts hearings in Dublin.
They exhibit dogmatism and inflexibility and a blind conviction that their restricted view of the world is the only valid one; they are just highly trained technicians who are devoid of roundedness of educated folk. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In fairness to the Mayo family they are all well educated so home schooling has worked for them.
Their well publicised legal problems stem from their religious beliefs
They have been schooled at home by their mother, but, IMO, having observed them at close quarters, they are being used as proxies to promulgate the views of their mother, who has the traits of a personality disorder.
I attended most of the recent High Court hearings all of the Court of Appeal hearings, and all four days of the Four Courts hearings in Dublin.
They exhibit dogmatism and inflexibility and a blind conviction that their restricted view of the world is the only valid one; they are just highly trained technicians who are devoid of roundedness of educated folk."
Educated people of what manner by the book
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My four daughters have been home schooled in the primary grades and joined regular secondary schools . All 4 are outperforming. However the biggest achievement of homeschooling is that we gave them our values . They will not succumb to conformity as these days regular curriculum schools are rather institutions of conditioning people for conformity than developing and nurturing the natural talents and interests of the kids .
It may is not everyone’s cup but if done with effort and love of their parents , who can prepare them better for life than the parent |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Values are the most important thing for us,just because you don’t look the same or people don’t think you are the same should it matter but it obviously does |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Values are the most important thing for us,just because you don’t look the same or people don’t think you are the same should it matter but it obviously does "
Unfortunately |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I home educated my son and actually he had much better socialising than any of his friends, he also has an amazing moral and ethical compass as well as being a free thinker!
We did meet some interesting characters via home schooling and can honestly say that they are not all equal ... unfortunately some people use it to be lazy and a rare few are actually there because they've been already kicked out of the schooling system  |
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By *eijaWoman
over a year ago
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Very sad that all home schooled kids might be tarred with the same brush! 
It works very well for some kids/families.
In my opinion, in the Burke case it's a massive reflection of the parents.
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"In fairness to the Mayo family they are all well educated so home schooling has worked for them.
Their well publicised legal problems stem from their religious beliefs
They have been schooled at home by their mother, but, IMO, having observed them at close quarters, they are being used as proxies to promulgate the views of their mother, who has the traits of a personality disorder.
I attended most of the recent High Court hearings all of the Court of Appeal hearings, and all four days of the Four Courts hearings in Dublin.
They exhibit dogmatism and inflexibility and a blind conviction that their restricted view of the world is the only valid one; they are just highly trained technicians who are devoid of roundedness of educated folk.
Educated people of what manner by the book
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I may be wrong but I'm sure all siblings attended NUIG and the sister is a trained solicitor. So in my book if you can home school your kids to the standard that they get the LC points to get into NUIG you have done well |
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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"In fairness to the Mayo family they are all well educated so home schooling has worked for them.
Their well publicised legal problems stem from their religious beliefs
They have been schooled at home by their mother, but, IMO, having observed them at close quarters, they are being used as proxies to promulgate the views of their mother, who has the traits of a personality disorder.
I attended most of the recent High Court hearings all of the Court of Appeal hearings, and all four days of the Four Courts hearings in Dublin.
They exhibit dogmatism and inflexibility and a blind conviction that their restricted view of the world is the only valid one; they are just highly trained technicians who are devoid of roundedness of educated folk.
Educated people of what manner by the book
I may be wrong but I'm sure all siblings attended NUIG and the sister is a trained solicitor. So in my book if you can home school your kids to the standard that they get the LC points to get into NUIG you have done well"
But she also trained them to cheat in NUIG and steal money and to be pretty much unemployable |
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"In fairness to the Mayo family they are all well educated so home schooling has worked for them.
Their well publicised legal problems stem from their religious beliefs
They have been schooled at home by their mother, but, IMO, having observed them at close quarters, they are being used as proxies to promulgate the views of their mother, who has the traits of a personality disorder.
I attended most of the recent High Court hearings all of the Court of Appeal hearings, and all four days of the Four Courts hearings in Dublin.
They exhibit dogmatism and inflexibility and a blind conviction that their restricted view of the world is the only valid one; they are just highly trained technicians who are devoid of roundedness of educated folk.
Educated people of what manner by the book
I may be wrong but I'm sure all siblings attended NUIG and the sister is a trained solicitor. So in my book if you can home school your kids to the standard that they get the LC points to get into NUIG you have done well
But she also trained them to cheat in NUIG and steal money and to be pretty much unemployable "
Wasn't aware of that. Couldn't find any reference to that online either |
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By *ubal1 OP Man
over a year ago
Newry Down |
The majority of parents who choose to homeschool their offspring do so for the very best of reasons; but there is a minority who impart dysfunctional values and attitudes.
To my knowledge children who are homeschooled in Ireland are subjected to any form of inspection.
I am in agreement with Miceal Martin in this specific instance: isolated homeschooling in a cult that is dominated by a matriarchical fanatic who uses her children as her proxies is concerning. |
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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"In fairness to the Mayo family they are all well educated so home schooling has worked for them.
Their well publicised legal problems stem from their religious beliefs
They have been schooled at home by their mother, but, IMO, having observed them at close quarters, they are being used as proxies to promulgate the views of their mother, who has the traits of a personality disorder.
I attended most of the recent High Court hearings all of the Court of Appeal hearings, and all four days of the Four Courts hearings in Dublin.
They exhibit dogmatism and inflexibility and a blind conviction that their restricted view of the world is the only valid one; they are just highly trained technicians who are devoid of roundedness of educated folk.
Educated people of what manner by the book
I may be wrong but I'm sure all siblings attended NUIG and the sister is a trained solicitor. So in my book if you can home school your kids to the standard that they get the LC points to get into NUIG you have done well
But she also trained them to cheat in NUIG and steal money and to be pretty much unemployable
Wasn't aware of that. Couldn't find any reference to that online either"
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/1122/1262421-burke-siblings-nuig/
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"In fairness to the Mayo family they are all well educated so home schooling has worked for them.
Their well publicised legal problems stem from their religious beliefs
They have been schooled at home by their mother, but, IMO, having observed them at close quarters, they are being used as proxies to promulgate the views of their mother, who has the traits of a personality disorder.
I attended most of the recent High Court hearings all of the Court of Appeal hearings, and all four days of the Four Courts hearings in Dublin.
They exhibit dogmatism and inflexibility and a blind conviction that their restricted view of the world is the only valid one; they are just highly trained technicians who are devoid of roundedness of educated folk.
Educated people of what manner by the book
I may be wrong but I'm sure all siblings attended NUIG and the sister is a trained solicitor. So in my book if you can home school your kids to the standard that they get the LC points to get into NUIG you have done well
But she also trained them to cheat in NUIG and steal money and to be pretty much unemployable
Wasn't aware of that. Couldn't find any reference to that online either
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/1122/1262421-burke-siblings-nuig/
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This article has nothing to do with cheating or stealing money.
This family are well known as having notions and extreme religious views but that's not a reflection of home schooling but rather their family background and upbringing |
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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In case you missed this bit
He found that the siblings made "every possible and determined effort to cover their tracks"; altered society financial accounts and had misappropriated funds from the CUS. |
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"In case you missed this bit
He found that the siblings made "every possible and determined effort to cover their tracks"; altered society financial accounts and had misappropriated funds from the CUS."
I think what the previous poster is trying to get at is that the behaviour is not a reflection of homeschooling but a reflection of growing up surrounded by extreme religious views.
These may obviously have been facilitated by homeschooling.
Personally I don't believe that ever gives the government or a spokesperson of the government the right to speak ill in general about homeschooling - particularly when you look at the history of Christian brothers' schools and the like, where our government failed to step in and do right by their people!
There are plenty of prime examples where homeschooled individuals have turned out more balanced healthy individuals than those, for example, by public or church operated schools.
I'd be worried to hear such criticisms by government as the first step to trying to bring about change - change which will prohibit parents to make the choice on whether they want department of education involvement in schooling their children.
Let's keep that choice for parents in future! |
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By *ancy38Woman
over a year ago
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"I know a home school kid who is 14 and he can only barely read and write doesn't mix well with other kids . The reason he can't read of write is because his mother let's him study what ever he is interested in . Sure basic literacy is a must in this day and age. Yes he may have learning difficulties but if he was in or local school they have a great support team ."
I know a few very wealthy businessmen who aren't very great at writing, spelling etc.. Not that I'm saying everyone doesn't need to read or right correctly however one can get through life ok without it. As long as someone is confident and a very hard work ethic, they can do well in life. |
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By *ubal1 OP Man
over a year ago
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I know a few very wealthy businessmen who aren't very great at writing, spelling etc.. Not that I'm saying everyone doesn't need to read or right correctly however one can get through life ok without it. As long as someone is confident and a very hard work ethic, they can do well in life. "
To succeed occupationally in an increasingly complex world, it is necessary to be well educated and to continuously update one's knowledge and skills, but if you don't you are most probably falling behind: losing your competitive advantage.
In the past, businessmen who were not well-educated could have succeeded, but this is much less likely to be the case in future.
Home-schooling encourages independent and creative thinking; a lot of classes in schools are very often trying to keep disruptive and disinterested pupils from misbehaving, with not a lot of information and useful skills imparted. |
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By *eijaWoman
over a year ago
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"The majority of parents who choose to homeschool their offspring do so for the very best of reasons; but there is a minority who impart dysfunctional values and attitudes.
To my knowledge children who are homeschooled in Ireland are subjected to any form of inspection.
I am in agreement with Miceal Martin in this specific instance: isolated homeschooling in a cult that is dominated by a matriarchical fanatic who uses her children as her proxies is concerning."
Home schooled children have regular inspections from the Department of Education and have to follow the same curriculum as every other child in Ireland and obviously sit all the state exams.
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