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700 euro a day fine,but can he afford it?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"He is making a right nuisance of himself.
It must be very hard for all the students trying to study. Amazing how the students have not told him to get lost."
They have, but polite and reasonable doesn't hold much sway over zealots |
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By *ind PaddyMan
over a year ago
South County Dublin |
"This time he should be in gen pop not in the training unit, a bit of time with all the head cases and he will do anything to stay out of the Joy"
Could not agree more with you. The school must have a big legal bill at this stage. |
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By *ind PaddyMan
over a year ago
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"He is making a right nuisance of himself.
It must be very hard for all the students trying to study. Amazing how the students have not told him to get lost.
They have, but polite and reasonable doesn't hold much sway over zealots"
I know the students wrote a letter, but I meant how students or parents have not physically confronted him. Then that would be playing into his hands. As someone posted already, put him in the general prison population and it will be a different story.
The whole family are hypocrites. |
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"I would imagine Revenue will be watching this closely!"
Can't see why they'd have any interest tbh
I think all this publicity is just oxygen to these people.
Ignore him and he loses his pulpit and it becomes an even more lonely cause |
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I'm sure there is sustainable backing for his endeavors... even more so now !
What is so glaring about all this on fab anyway imo is that its not stop people making judgment calls on someone for they don't know, for being judgemental !!!!! and writing him and his family off completely.
I don't know anyone on fab including myself that hasn't been judgmental ... that hasn't pushed their own rhetoric and opinions at times. I have read lots of people talking about exactly what children shouldn't do what is right for teenagers to do in what isn't and so on and so on. You're very very quick to stone this person and their family because they have done the same only it differs from our view.
To refer to somebody or somebody's family as toxic without personally knowing all aspects of these people, in itself Is surely socially toxic? .
Guys i get that people do wrong but who the fuck dosnt ... and surly there needs to be understanding shown for those who may cause harm with the best of intentions. If we are honest , it seems this family is acting solely from a place of passion for their religion. However ill faithed,and frankly outdated should we really choose to only see the bits we want to ? Are we not choosing the same blinkered method of viewing others as the Burks choose only on different beliefs?
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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"I'm sure there is sustainable backing for his endeavors... even more so now !
What is so glaring about all this on fab anyway imo is that its not stop people making judgment calls on someone for they don't know, for being judgemental !!!!! and writing him and his family off completely.
I don't know anyone on fab including myself that hasn't been judgmental ... that hasn't pushed their own rhetoric and opinions at times. I have read lots of people talking about exactly what children shouldn't do what is right for teenagers to do in what isn't and so on and so on. You're very very quick to stone this person and their family because they have done the same only it differs from our view.
To refer to somebody or somebody's family as toxic without personally knowing all aspects of these people, in itself Is surely socially toxic? .
Guys i get that people do wrong but who the fuck dosnt ... and surly there needs to be understanding shown for those who may cause harm with the best of intentions. If we are honest , it seems this family is acting solely from a place of passion for their religion. However ill faithed,and frankly outdated should we really choose to only see the bits we want to ? Are we not choosing the same blinkered method of viewing others as the Burks choose only on different beliefs?
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Just think the parents are cunts for their kids ending up the way they did
They have enough history of court cases to say they're all cunts in fairness
How many times do you have to read about what they're up to to know that you're not misjudging them
I was also in their shop with another fabber last summer while away for a weekend .....they're as mad as a box of frogs |
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By *cl2010Couple
over a year ago
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"Am I the only one, who hasn't got a clue what this is all about?"
A fundamentalist Christian teacher was a dick to a trans student, so the school suspended him. He kept turning up and being a dick anyway every day until he was arrested for trespassing.
Them he was a dick to the judge so he got jailed.
Now he's out of jail and still turns up to the school every day so the judge has said he gets a 700 euro fine for every day until he fucks off home and minds his manners
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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago
Newry Down |
There are some crucial issues to outline:
Enoch Burke will not have any assets to sequestrate an therefore continues to be in contempt of the injunction, BUT...
There is a scale, that's readily available, which shows that non-payment of fines, costs, or other financial punishments will result in a determinate prison sentence.
Well, that's the UK legal system, and I would assume the Irish common law system that shares similar origins is almost identical.
The allocation of costs for all these actions will be crucial as total costs will be phenomenal.
But Enoch Burke probably owns nothing! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There are some crucial issues to outline:
Enoch Burke will not have any assets to sequestrate an therefore continues to be in contempt of the injunction, BUT...
There is a scale, that's readily available, which shows that non-payment of fines, costs, or other financial punishments will result in a determinate prison sentence.
Well, that's the UK legal system, and I would assume the Irish common law system that shares similar origins is almost identical.
The allocation of costs for all these actions will be crucial as total costs will be phenomenal.
But Enoch Burke probably owns nothing! "
Since he lives at home with mammy and daddy and claims to have been saving for a mortgage (while suspended on full pay for the last 5 months), he must have a nice nest egg put aside. |
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He will be well able to afford it when he gets them all including the Irish courts into the European courts , he will clean them out just like the bakery up north nd the printers in Drogheda, all these groups want to push their wokeness onto everyone but it's doesn't work when the law says different |
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By *eijaWoman
over a year ago
City Centre |
The only way to deal with him hit him where it hurts... financially!
Hopefully with substantial Costs at this stage.
Must say I'm really enjoying all the memes but hate even giving this family air time! 
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
somewhere |
"He will be well able to afford it when he gets them all including the Irish courts into the European courts , he will clean them out just like the bakery up north nd the printers in Drogheda, all these groups want to push their wokeness onto everyone but it's doesn't work when the law says different "
You do realise its him thats breaking the laws....in case that slipped your mind |
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By *cl2010Couple
over a year ago
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"He will be well able to afford it when he gets them all including the Irish courts into the European courts , he will clean them out just like the bakery up north nd the printers in Drogheda, all these groups want to push their wokeness onto everyone but it's doesn't work when the law says different
You do realise its him thats breaking the laws....in case that slipped your mind "
Something something gay agenda!! |
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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"He will be well able to afford it when he gets them all including the Irish courts into the European courts , he will clean them out just like the bakery up north nd the printers in Drogheda, all these groups want to push their wokeness onto everyone but it's doesn't work when the law says different
You do realise its him thats breaking the laws....in case that slipped your mind
Something something gay agenda!!"
You think the young adult had an agenda |
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"He will be well able to afford it when he gets them all including the Irish courts into the European courts , he will clean them out just like the bakery up north nd the printers in Drogheda, all these groups want to push their wokeness onto everyone but it's doesn't work when the law says different
You do realise its him thats breaking the laws....in case that slipped your mind "
They said the same about the bakery Nd the printers , this all stems from him refusing to address a student as they , the school told him he was too but he said no due to his religion,, you will struggle to find a law that will convict him , as for the school they where back in court yesterday because they lodged the wrong papers with the court , that's why he wasn't arrested yesterday at 2pm , trust me this is going to the European courts |
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"He will be well able to afford it when he gets them all including the Irish courts into the European courts , he will clean them out just like the bakery up north nd the printers in Drogheda, all these groups want to push their wokeness onto everyone but it's doesn't work when the law says different
You do realise its him thats breaking the laws....in case that slipped your mind
Something something gay agenda!!
You think the young adult had an agenda "
100% this is all set up by the student nd it suits the school to run with it because they want him gone ,, should i loose my job because i won't use the word they to address someone |
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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"He will be well able to afford it when he gets them all including the Irish courts into the European courts , he will clean them out just like the bakery up north nd the printers in Drogheda, all these groups want to push their wokeness onto everyone but it's doesn't work when the law says different
You do realise its him thats breaking the laws....in case that slipped your mind
They said the same about the bakery Nd the printers , this all stems from him refusing to address a student as they , the school told him he was too but he said no due to his religion,, you will struggle to find a law that will convict him , as for the school they where back in court yesterday because they lodged the wrong papers with the court , that's why he wasn't arrested yesterday at 2pm , trust me this is going to the European courts "
It was always going to go to Europe if they can stop shouting at judges
Its nothing to do with his refusal to address a student in any manner...he had nothing to do with the student ....probably didnt even know the student
Its to do with him breaking the law...thats it....pure and simple
You can dress it any way you want but you'd be wrong.... |
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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"He will be well able to afford it when he gets them all including the Irish courts into the European courts , he will clean them out just like the bakery up north nd the printers in Drogheda, all these groups want to push their wokeness onto everyone but it's doesn't work when the law says different
You do realise its him thats breaking the laws....in case that slipped your mind
Something something gay agenda!!
You think the young adult had an agenda
100% this is all set up by the student nd it suits the school to run with it because they want him gone ,, should i loose my job because i won't use the word they to address someone "
You should lose your job if you did what he did and proper procedures were followed
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"He will be well able to afford it when he gets them all including the Irish courts into the European courts , he will clean them out just like the bakery up north nd the printers in Drogheda, all these groups want to push their wokeness onto everyone but it's doesn't work when the law says different
You do realise its him thats breaking the laws....in case that slipped your mind
Something something gay agenda!!
You think the young adult had an agenda
100% this is all set up by the student nd it suits the school to run with it because they want him gone ,, should i loose my job because i won't use the word they to address someone
You should lose your job if you did what he did and proper procedures were followed
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He stood up for his religious beliefs, the school decided that wokeness was more important, it's up to everyone else to judge for themselves who is right or wrong , |
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By *cl2010Couple
over a year ago
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" should i loose my job because i won't use the word they to address someone "
At some point you should probably lose your job if you point blank refuse to do what your company tells you to do. Imagine hiring an employee to wash dishes, and this employee has an aversion to bowls so refuses to wash the bowls. It's only one part of the job but you told them to do it and they repeatedly refused. Would you keep paying them?
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"He will be well able to afford it when he gets them all including the Irish courts into the European courts , he will clean them out just like the bakery up north nd the printers in Drogheda, all these groups want to push their wokeness onto everyone but it's doesn't work when the law says different
You do realise its him thats breaking the laws....in case that slipped your mind
They said the same about the bakery Nd the printers , this all stems from him refusing to address a student as they , the school told him he was too but he said no due to his religion,, you will struggle to find a law that will convict him , as for the school they where back in court yesterday because they lodged the wrong papers with the court , that's why he wasn't arrested yesterday at 2pm , trust me this is going to the European courts
It was always going to go to Europe if they can stop shouting at judges
Its nothing to do with his refusal to address a student in any manner...he had nothing to do with the student ....probably didnt even know the student
Its to do with him breaking the law...thats it....pure and simple
You can dress it any way you want but you'd be wrong...."
It all started with the manner he was told to address the student, the fight with the principal in public was about the how he was told to address the student, nd the student was in his class , all this is public knowledge, the court order was because he tackled the principal Nd the sacking ,, he sees it differently as to why he tackled the principal,, |
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" should i loose my job because i won't use the word they to address someone
At some point you should probably lose your job if you point blank refuse to do what your company tells you to do. Imagine hiring an employee to wash dishes, and this employee has an aversion to bowls so refuses to wash the bowls. It's only one part of the job but you told them to do it and they repeatedly refused. Would you keep paying them?
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He was hired to teach he is not refusing to teach that's his point that's why he keeps turning up at the school ,, to teach ,, |
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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Tom
Everyone except you it seems knows the student wasn't in his class
He didn't teach them at all...nothing to do with them..at all
Now do you see how stupid and misguided he is .....him and his ilk used to run this country and they can fuck off if they think they're taking it back....he's a bully |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" should i loose my job because i won't use the word they to address someone
At some point you should probably lose your job if you point blank refuse to do what your company tells you to do. Imagine hiring an employee to wash dishes, and this employee has an aversion to bowls so refuses to wash the bowls. It's only one part of the job but you told them to do it and they repeatedly refused. Would you keep paying them?
He was hired to teach he is not refusing to teach that's his point that's why he keeps turning up at the school ,, to teach ,, "
He may have been hired to teach but accepting any job comes with accepting the policies and procedures of the employer. If you are not prepared to follow those policies and procedures then yes, that's a disciplinary matter |
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For a well educated guy with 2 degrees he is thick, After spending 100 days in jail, a number of court cases and arrests he still hasnt learned that he is wasting his time. What the odds of him being there on monday ? |
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"For a well educated guy with 2 degrees he is thick, After spending 100 days in jail, a number of court cases and arrests he still hasnt learned that he is wasting his time. What the odds of him being there on monday ?"
There's surprisingly little correlation between academic intelligence and common sense. Add to this the fact that these children were essentially kept apart from society and brainwashed from infancy and you're very unlikely to see what passes for "normal" behaviour. I can't see how he won't turn up, it's not like he will have anything else to do, or even a choice, given that his mother clearly pulls the strings. |
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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago
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"Tom
Everyone except you it seems knows the student wasn't in his class
He didn't teach them at all...nothing to do with them..at all
Now do you see how stupid and misguided he is .....him and his ilk used to run this country and they can fuck off if they think they're taking it back....he's a bully "
I didnt know that....
Thats messed up |
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"Tom
Everyone except you it seems knows the student wasn't in his class
He didn't teach them at all...nothing to do with them..at all
Now do you see how stupid and misguided he is .....him and his ilk used to run this country and they can fuck off if they think they're taking it back....he's a bully "
His ilk? Isn’t he a Christian fundamentalist rather than a catholic?
They’ve been around since the reformation but I don’t think they ever ran the country.
He’s a sad young man who has been brainwashed into believing that for some reason showing your love for a fellow human by respecting their identity is not Christian and contravenes his beliefs
If Jesus was around he’d have no issue with treating fellow humans with simple compassion…. |
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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"Tom
Everyone except you it seems knows the student wasn't in his class
He didn't teach them at all...nothing to do with them..at all
Now do you see how stupid and misguided he is .....him and his ilk used to run this country and they can fuck off if they think they're taking it back....he's a bully
His ilk? Isn’t he a Christian fundamentalist rather than a catholic?
They’ve been around since the reformation but I don’t think they ever ran the country.
He’s a sad young man who has been brainwashed into believing that for some reason showing your love for a fellow human by respecting their identity is not Christian and contravenes his beliefs
If Jesus was around he’d have no issue with treating fellow humans with simple compassion…."
Jesus didn't exist  |
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"should i loose my job because i won't use the word they to address someone "
Yes. If someone asks you not to address them in a particular way and you insist on doing so anyway, that's bullying and harassment. If you do it in your professional capacity it's absolutely appropriate for your employer to take action against you, up to and including dismissal.
"He stood up for his religious beliefs"
So he claims, but has he ever actually cited the part of the bible that deals with pronouns? As in, which part of his belief that he should be permitted to bully this student if he wants to is based on scripture? |
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Unfair to the bakery up North to compare them with this guy.
I'm not religious but they had every right to refuse to bake that fecking cake, their business and their right to refuse custom. Plus the customer clearly targeted them in the first place.
This story has to do with verbal abuse, lying about the reason he was suspended and then trying to bully the school and the judiciary. This guy will never be able to live in normal society because of his crazy domineering mother. I feel sorry for him.
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"Jesus didn't exist
Erm, yes he did.
He wasn’t the son of god. He may have been a naughty boy but it is accepted that the person existed."
There was definitely an illiterate individual at that time walking around making wild claims about himself.
Manipulative people like "Mohammed" would have styled himself on "Jesus" centuries later as an easy way to gather a clan and gain influence.
I doubt either would ever have believed how big their charade would grow. Centuries later we have Burke still trying the same shtick!
It's the religious books that are complete and utter nonsense. Written hundreds of years after both men lived. Through word of mouth from illiterate, nomadic arabs, claiming it to be fact! |
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"Jesus didn't exist
Erm, yes he did.
He wasn’t the son of god. He may have been a naughty boy but it is accepted that the person existed.
You're quoting the life of Brian ain't you  "
No.
Brian was a very naughty boy  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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At this stage I'd be more worried about the student who asked to be called or addressed as a pronoun ( of that's the right way to say it) also all the other students and teachers especially ones preparing for exams with this constant disruption. |
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"He will be well able to afford it when he gets them all including the Irish courts into the European courts , he will clean them out just like the bakery up north nd the printers in Drogheda, all these groups want to push their wokeness onto everyone but it's doesn't work when the law says different
You do realise its him thats breaking the laws....in case that slipped your mind "
He can only be deemed having broken the law if the reason his banned from the school is legal, chances are in the European court because it goes against European law it won't be legal so he won't have broken the law.
We have to remember the same laws that protect from Prejudice against their beliefs also protect him and rightly so. I think the fundamental issue here is we don't have a right to tell somebody how to behave we don't have a right to tell somebody what to believe and we also don't have a right to tell somebody that they need to go against their own beliefs in order to fit into society we just don't.
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" should i loose my job because i won't use the word they to address someone
At some point you should probably lose your job if you point blank refuse to do what your company tells you to do. Imagine hiring an employee to wash dishes, and this employee has an aversion to bowls so refuses to wash the bowls. It's only one part of the job but you told them to do it and they repeatedly refused. Would you keep paying them?
He was hired to teach he is not refusing to teach that's his point that's why he keeps turning up at the school ,, to teach ,,
He may have been hired to teach but accepting any job comes with accepting the policies and procedures of the employer. If you are not prepared to follow those policies and procedures then yes, that's a disciplinary matter"
This is true ... however you can't dismiss someone on grounds of religion beliefs... thats simple . |
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"Tom
Everyone except you it seems knows the student wasn't in his class
He didn't teach them at all...nothing to do with them..at all
Now do you see how stupid and misguided he is .....him and his ilk used to run this country and they can fuck off if they think they're taking it back....he's a bully
His ilk? Isn’t he a Christian fundamentalist rather than a catholic?
They’ve been around since the reformation but I don’t think they ever ran the country.
He’s a sad young man who has been brainwashed into believing that for some reason showing your love for a fellow human by respecting their identity is not Christian and contravenes his beliefs
If Jesus was around he’d have no issue with treating fellow humans with simple compassion….
Jesus didn't exist "
Now who's being a bully |
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"should i loose my job because i won't use the word they to address someone
Yes. If someone asks you not to address them in a particular way and you insist on doing so anyway, that's bullying and harassment. If you do it in your professional capacity it's absolutely appropriate for your employer to take action against you, up to and including dismissal.
He stood up for his religious beliefs
So he claims, but has he ever actually cited the part of the bible that deals with pronouns? As in, which part of his belief that he should be permitted to bully this student if he wants to is based on scripture?"
You constantly try to ram the word bully ... he never met the kid ... also its only considered bullying if how you refer to the person is degradation insulting etc . A teacher can refuse to refer to me as a student as "big daddy" and its not bullying ... |
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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He hasn't been dismissed on any religious grounds
He can keep whatever beliefs he has ....nobody has said he cant
He's deliberately trying to get sympathy from far right fundamentalists by blurring the reasons he's been sacked |
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"He hasn't been dismissed on any religious grounds
He can keep whatever beliefs he has ....nobody has said he cant
He's deliberately trying to get sympathy from far right fundamentalists by blurring the reasons he's been sacked "
Correct 
Once one starts twisting the facts, they lose all credibility for most people. This is what is happening. |
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"He hasn't been dismissed on any religious grounds
He can keep whatever beliefs he has ....nobody has said he cant
He's deliberately trying to get sympathy from far right fundamentalists by blurring the reasons he's been sacked "
So if the European court disagrees are they all wrong ? |
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By *og-ManMan
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"He hasn't been dismissed on any religious grounds
He can keep whatever beliefs he has ....nobody has said he cant
He's deliberately trying to get sympathy from far right fundamentalists by blurring the reasons he's been sacked
So if the European court disagrees are they all wrong ? "
The court could decide the correct procedures haven't been followed and fine the school and tell them to reinstate him in about 10 years but it won't be based on religious grounds
Do you think any of the family will accept any judgement that says their wrong ....not a feckin hope |
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"He hasn't been dismissed on any religious grounds
He can keep whatever beliefs he has ....nobody has said he cant
He's deliberately trying to get sympathy from far right fundamentalists by blurring the reasons he's been sacked
So if the European court disagrees are they all wrong ?
The court could decide the correct procedures haven't been followed and fine the school and tell them to reinstate him in about 10 years but it won't be based on religious grounds
Do you think any of the family will accept any judgement that says their wrong ....not a feckin hope "
I didn't ask what his family might think I asked what are you think the court are wrong if they decide he was wrongly dismissed. When I say that I mean if the European court decides that he actually was asked to do something that goes against his religious beliefs |
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"should i loose my job because i won't use the word they to address someone
Yes. If someone asks you not to address them in a particular way and you insist on doing so anyway, that's bullying and harassment. If you do it in your professional capacity it's absolutely appropriate for your employer to take action against you, up to and including dismissal.
He stood up for his religious beliefs
So he claims, but has he ever actually cited the part of the bible that deals with pronouns? As in, which part of his belief that he should be permitted to bully this student if he wants to is based on scripture?
You constantly try to ram the word bully ... he never met the kid ... also its only considered bullying if how you refer to the person is degradation insulting etc . A teacher can refuse to refer to me as a student as "big daddy" and its not bullying ... "
So if someone in authority over you deliberately calls you something you've specifically asked not to be called you think that's OK? |
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"should i loose my job because i won't use the word they to address someone
Yes. If someone asks you not to address them in a particular way and you insist on doing so anyway, that's bullying and harassment. If you do it in your professional capacity it's absolutely appropriate for your employer to take action against you, up to and including dismissal.
He stood up for his religious beliefs
So he claims, but has he ever actually cited the part of the bible that deals with pronouns? As in, which part of his belief that he should be permitted to bully this student if he wants to is based on scripture?
You constantly try to ram the word bully ... he never met the kid ... also its only considered bullying if how you refer to the person is degradation insulting etc . A teacher can refuse to refer to me as a student as "big daddy" and its not bullying ...
So if someone in authority over you deliberately calls you something you've specifically asked not to be called you think that's OK?"
Deliberately calls me what? |
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"should i loose my job because i won't use the word they to address someone
Yes. If someone asks you not to address them in a particular way and you insist on doing so anyway, that's bullying and harassment. If you do it in your professional capacity it's absolutely appropriate for your employer to take action against you, up to and including dismissal.
He stood up for his religious beliefs
So he claims, but has he ever actually cited the part of the bible that deals with pronouns? As in, which part of his belief that he should be permitted to bully this student if he wants to is based on scripture?
You constantly try to ram the word bully ... he never met the kid ... also its only considered bullying if how you refer to the person is degradation insulting etc . A teacher can refuse to refer to me as a student as "big daddy" and its not bullying ...
So if someone in authority over you deliberately calls you something you've specifically asked not to be called you think that's OK?"
 also worth noting again.. that didn't happen . |
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"should i loose my job because i won't use the word they to address someone
Yes. If someone asks you not to address them in a particular way and you insist on doing so anyway, that's bullying and harassment. If you do it in your professional capacity it's absolutely appropriate for your employer to take action against you, up to and including dismissal.
He stood up for his religious beliefs
So he claims, but has he ever actually cited the part of the bible that deals with pronouns? As in, which part of his belief that he should be permitted to bully this student if he wants to is based on scripture?
You constantly try to ram the word bully ... he never met the kid ... also its only considered bullying if how you refer to the person is degradation insulting etc . A teacher can refuse to refer to me as a student as "big daddy" and its not bullying ...
So if someone in authority over you deliberately calls you something you've specifically asked not to be called you think that's OK?
also worth noting again.. that didn't happen . "
I notice you didn't actually answer the question.
Isn't his whole point that he wants to retain the right to misgender a trans person? |
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"should i loose my job because i won't use the word they to address someone
Yes. If someone asks you not to address them in a particular way and you insist on doing so anyway, that's bullying and harassment. If you do it in your professional capacity it's absolutely appropriate for your employer to take action against you, up to and including dismissal.
He stood up for his religious beliefs
So he claims, but has he ever actually cited the part of the bible that deals with pronouns? As in, which part of his belief that he should be permitted to bully this student if he wants to is based on scripture?
You constantly try to ram the word bully ... he never met the kid ... also its only considered bullying if how you refer to the person is degradation insulting etc . A teacher can refuse to refer to me as a student as "big daddy" and its not bullying ...
So if someone in authority over you deliberately calls you something you've specifically asked not to be called you think that's OK?
also worth noting again.. that didn't happen .
I notice you didn't actually answer the question.
Isn't his whole point that he wants to retain the right to misgender a trans person?"
You'll notice I didn't answer the question because the question didn't have detailed that murder the answer so I came back to you for a detailed question that could be answered? I'm sure you also noticed that you actually asked that question in a roundabout way of avoiding the statement that I put to you. |
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"You'll notice I didn't answer the question because the question didn't have detailed that murder the answer so I came back to you for a detailed question that could be answered? I'm sure you also noticed that you actually asked that question in a roundabout way of avoiding the statement that I put to you."
I dare you to arrange those words into a sentence. |
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I don't know how the courts work but I would imagine the European Courts can only rule on points of law previously raised in lower courts
If The irish courts don't have religion as any of the grounds for dismissal then he might not be able to raise them up the chain so to speak |
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"You'll notice I didn't answer the question because the question didn't have detailed that murder the answer so I came back to you for a detailed question that could be answered? I'm sure you also noticed that you actually asked that question in a roundabout way of avoiding the statement that I put to you.
I dare you to arrange those words into a sentence. "
Sure You will notice I didn't answer your question because your question didn't have details that merit an answer. So I came back to you for a detailed question that could be answered!
Being so quick witted to notice things, I'm in no doubt you notice that you only asked that question in a roundabout way of avoiding the statement I had put you |
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"I don't know how the courts work but I would imagine the European Courts can only rule on points of law previously raised in lower courts
If The irish courts don't have religion as any of the grounds for dismissal then he might not be able to raise them up the chain so to speak "
Wouldn't think so |
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"I don't know how the courts work but I would imagine the European Courts can only rule on points of law previously raised in lower courts
If The irish courts don't have religion as any of the grounds for dismissal then he might not be able to raise them up the chain so to speak "
However if he can and dose and wins ? |
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"should i loose my job because i won't use the word they to address someone
Yes. If someone asks you not to address them in a particular way and you insist on doing so anyway, that's bullying and harassment. If you do it in your professional capacity it's absolutely appropriate for your employer to take action against you, up to and including dismissal.
He stood up for his religious beliefs
So he claims, but has he ever actually cited the part of the bible that deals with pronouns? As in, which part of his belief that he should be permitted to bully this student if he wants to is based on scripture?
You constantly try to ram the word bully ... he never met the kid ... also its only considered bullying if how you refer to the person is degradation insulting etc . A teacher can refuse to refer to me as a student as "big daddy" and its not bullying ...
So if someone in authority over you deliberately calls you something you've specifically asked not to be called you think that's OK?
Deliberately calls me what? "
Deliberately calls you literally anything that you've specified you don't want to be called. Use your imagination. |
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"should i loose my job because i won't use the word they to address someone
Yes. If someone asks you not to address them in a particular way and you insist on doing so anyway, that's bullying and harassment. If you do it in your professional capacity it's absolutely appropriate for your employer to take action against you, up to and including dismissal.
He stood up for his religious beliefs
So he claims, but has he ever actually cited the part of the bible that deals with pronouns? As in, which part of his belief that he should be permitted to bully this student if he wants to is based on scripture?
You constantly try to ram the word bully ... he never met the kid ... also its only considered bullying if how you refer to the person is degradation insulting etc . A teacher can refuse to refer to me as a student as "big daddy" and its not bullying ...
So if someone in authority over you deliberately calls you something you've specifically asked not to be called you think that's OK?
Deliberately calls me what?
Deliberately calls you literally anything that you've specified you don't want to be called. Use your imagination. "
You're asking me to use my imagination to fill in the blanks in a question that you're pausing and for me to be able to answer it accurately.
Apart from that being ridiculous. The question you should be asking is if I wasn't employed somewhere and I told the employer I only want to be referred to in a specific way then that is my right ? If we apply your logic and your position then I have a right to be called anything I want. So I want to be called fuckasouras. By your logic my employer is a bully if he dosnt agree. Yes? |
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"Am I the only one, who hasn't got a clue what this is all about?
A fundamentalist Christian teacher was a dick to a trans student, so the school suspended him. He kept turning up and being a dick anyway every day until he was arrested for trespassing.
Them he was a dick to the judge so he got jailed.
Now he's out of jail and still turns up to the school every day so the judge has said he gets a 700 euro fine for every day until he fucks off home and minds his manners"
As I understand it and I am of course open to correction the subject matter of the case is that he was suspended after he allegedly harassed the principle at a public event though he and most of the media commentary are focusing on the trans issue as being the reason for his initial suspension.
Whichever is the reason for the disciplinary proceedings against him I think he is wrong to use religious beliefs to not refer to someone as they wish, if that were the case then atheist/non denominational teachers could refuse to prepare school children for religious occasions.
At the end of the day he is just being a twat and shouldn't be given airtime, there are more worthy causes deserving the attention of the public and media than this pathetic individual. |
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"Am I the only one, who hasn't got a clue what this is all about?
A fundamentalist Christian teacher was a dick to a trans student, so the school suspended him. He kept turning up and being a dick anyway every day until he was arrested for trespassing.
Them he was a dick to the judge so he got jailed.
Now he's out of jail and still turns up to the school every day so the judge has said he gets a 700 euro fine for every day until he fucks off home and minds his manners
As I understand it and I am of course open to correction the subject matter of the case is that he was suspended after he allegedly harassed the principle at a public event though he and most of the media commentary are focusing on the trans issue as being the reason for his initial suspension.
Whichever is the reason for the disciplinary proceedings against him I think he is wrong to use religious beliefs to not refer to someone as they wish, if that were the case then atheist/non denominational teachers could refuse to prepare school children for religious occasions.
At the end of the day he is just being a twat and shouldn't be given airtime, there are more worthy causes deserving the attention of the public and media than this pathetic individual. "
I think what some are getting at is that he feels that he should never been asked to do/ join in in something he feels is against his religion. Thus the issue which resulted in suspension shouldn't have happened.
I wouldn't agree he is a twat. Purely on the grounds that it seems like a long long road to go if your only intention is to be awkward. I can't believe for 1 second that this man and family are doing all this just to be awkward. |
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I find it strange that on a swingers site of all places that any people at all would agree with someone who had his way would have us all only having sex for procreation |
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"I find it strange that on a swingers site of all places that any people at all would agree with someone who had his way would have us all only having sex for procreation"
I've yet to see anyone on here agree with him. |
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"should i loose my job because i won't use the word they to address someone
Yes. If someone asks you not to address them in a particular way and you insist on doing so anyway, that's bullying and harassment. If you do it in your professional capacity it's absolutely appropriate for your employer to take action against you, up to and including dismissal.
He stood up for his religious beliefs
So he claims, but has he ever actually cited the part of the bible that deals with pronouns? As in, which part of his belief that he should be permitted to bully this student if he wants to is based on scripture?
You constantly try to ram the word bully ... he never met the kid ... also its only considered bullying if how you refer to the person is degradation insulting etc . A teacher can refuse to refer to me as a student as "big daddy" and its not bullying ...
So if someone in authority over you deliberately calls you something you've specifically asked not to be called you think that's OK?
Deliberately calls me what?
Deliberately calls you literally anything that you've specified you don't want to be called. Use your imagination.
You're asking me to use my imagination to fill in the blanks in a question that you're pausing and for me to be able to answer it accurately.
Apart from that being ridiculous. The question you should be asking is if I wasn't employed somewhere and I told the employer I only want to be referred to in a specific way then that is my right ? If we apply your logic and your position then I have a right to be called anything I want. So I want to be called fuckasouras. By your logic my employer is a bully if he dosnt agree. Yes? "
I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you might be a bit behind the times but you're genuinely thick, aren't you? |
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"should i loose my job because i won't use the word they to address someone
Yes. If someone asks you not to address them in a particular way and you insist on doing so anyway, that's bullying and harassment. If you do it in your professional capacity it's absolutely appropriate for your employer to take action against you, up to and including dismissal.
He stood up for his religious beliefs
So he claims, but has he ever actually cited the part of the bible that deals with pronouns? As in, which part of his belief that he should be permitted to bully this student if he wants to is based on scripture?
You constantly try to ram the word bully ... he never met the kid ... also its only considered bullying if how you refer to the person is degradation insulting etc . A teacher can refuse to refer to me as a student as "big daddy" and its not bullying ...
So if someone in authority over you deliberately calls you something you've specifically asked not to be called you think that's OK?
Deliberately calls me what?
Deliberately calls you literally anything that you've specified you don't want to be called. Use your imagination.
You're asking me to use my imagination to fill in the blanks in a question that you're pausing and for me to be able to answer it accurately.
Apart from that being ridiculous. The question you should be asking is if I wasn't employed somewhere and I told the employer I only want to be referred to in a specific way then that is my right ? If we apply your logic and your position then I have a right to be called anything I want. So I want to be called fuckasouras. By your logic my employer is a bully if he dosnt agree. Yes?
I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you might be a bit behind the times but you're genuinely thick, aren't you?"
Thats what your ma thinks |
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"should i loose my job because i won't use the word they to address someone
Yes. If someone asks you not to address them in a particular way and you insist on doing so anyway, that's bullying and harassment. If you do it in your professional capacity it's absolutely appropriate for your employer to take action against you, up to and including dismissal.
He stood up for his religious beliefs
So he claims, but has he ever actually cited the part of the bible that deals with pronouns? As in, which part of his belief that he should be permitted to bully this student if he wants to is based on scripture?
You constantly try to ram the word bully ... he never met the kid ... also its only considered bullying if how you refer to the person is degradation insulting etc . A teacher can refuse to refer to me as a student as "big daddy" and its not bullying ...
So if someone in authority over you deliberately calls you something you've specifically asked not to be called you think that's OK?
Deliberately calls me what?
Deliberately calls you literally anything that you've specified you don't want to be called. Use your imagination.
You're asking me to use my imagination to fill in the blanks in a question that you're pausing and for me to be able to answer it accurately.
Apart from that being ridiculous. The question you should be asking is if I wasn't employed somewhere and I told the employer I only want to be referred to in a specific way then that is my right ? If we apply your logic and your position then I have a right to be called anything I want. So I want to be called fuckasouras. By your logic my employer is a bully if he dosnt agree. Yes?
I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you might be a bit behind the times but you're genuinely thick, aren't you?"
In all seriousness...do you insult me as a means to avoiding a question / substituting your feelings for facts/ justifying your attempt to label someone a bully who hasn't bullied. Is it one or all of the above ? Or is it actually the level of your intelligence ? |
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"Am I the only one, who hasn't got a clue what this is all about?
It's the scholl teacher Enoch the transphobe. Who keeps defying a court order , because he believes his bias takes precedent "
That's a very interesting choice of words. I would imagine He may very well be a transphobe given that he has been raised to believe it to be harmful.
I wonder It's our societal demand for unbiased in all, not just an example of our own bias to how we want people to think/live? |
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over a year ago
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Today'Irish Times reported that the school amended its previous affidavits to the High Court, but done by way of a rare ex-parte application, that is no advance notification being given to the Burke's.
These two amendments have tried to counter the true claims by the Burke's about the disciplinary hearing and also about the child's two parents having attended at the school; only one parent had been at Multyfarnham Hospital school.
Furthermore, there was an in-depth analysis in Irish Times Weekend Review by Fintan O'Toole, which is a significant progression from a journalistic stance
He put the main issue into context, and the case's significance from an wider government educational policy perspective.
This Burke debacle will instigate many changes, in due course! |
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"Today'Irish Times reported that the school amended its previous affidavits to the High Court, but done by way of a rare ex-parte application, that is no advance notification being given to the Burke's.
These two amendments have tried to counter the true claims by the Burke's about the disciplinary hearing and also about the child's two parents having attended at the school; only one parent had been at Multyfarnham Hospital school.
Furthermore, there was an in-depth analysis in Irish Times Weekend Review by Fintan O'Toole, which is a significant progression from a journalistic stance
He put the main issue into context, and the case's significance from an wider government educational policy perspective.
This Burke debacle will instigate many changes, in due course! "
That sounds like a good thing yes?
When you say changes, I know your quite knowledgeable and would be keen to hear what changes might be taken ? |
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By *ubal1Man
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Fintan O'Toole is a highly respected authoritative journalist/ intellectual; I think he envisages that religious zealots like Enoch Burke and his family will be displaced by a move towards more secular education ; I will have to read the article again to gain a full understanding of its nuances.
It was a very deep article that surprised me; Burke is usually portrayed as a masterful self publicising crank, but when O'Toole has been asked to outline his analysis, the case has been moved up to a whole new level with much wider implications.
I suspect that O'Toole may be interviewed on RTE's Brendan O'Connor show on Sunday, possibly? |
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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago
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One interesting fact that has emerged is that the Burke's never associate with any other evangelical Christians and in this respect they are more like an isolated cult, with the mother Martina are the overall controlling figure directing the activities of her obedient followers her offspring, all ten of them. |
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A couple of days ago I specifically went to the latest high court hearing, at the Four Courts, in relation to Enoch Burke.
Most of the important news reporters were there, but Enoch failed to show!
The media are getting fed up with him, I strongly suspect; he was amusing for a time, but now he has crossed the Rubicon, to coin a phrase! |
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