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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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With Liz resigning what do people think of the Uk's situation atm?
I think it looks more and more likely of a United Ireland and Scottish Independence |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Its going to be Borris again isn't it "
He could be! I think the Torys will pick someone else though. Bojo's had his time. It really looks like labour will get in there |
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over a year ago
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"Its going to be Borris again isn't it "
Ah come on get back to reality bog look at his record... his personal life...look at his distance for everyone...
So in conclusion yes... yes it is |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Boris is on a royal’er at the moment $150,000 for his latest talk in the states this week,why would he go back??"
The greatest 4 words in the English language...
I told you so |
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What a calamity the last few weeks have been for the uk. However bad politicians may seem here, they are whole lot worse across the water.
Personally don't see a united ireland happening in my lifetime. We have enough problems here than taking on a worse situation in the north. |
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"With Liz resigning what do people think of the Uk's situation atm?
I think it looks more and more likely of a United Ireland and Scottish Independence"
As a Scotsman the hope for a Scottish is near dead and on life support from a tiny section of loud people. The SNP have ran the country into a shithole and people are sick of spending a minimum of £25 million for a vote when the NHS in Scotland is near wrecked, wasted millions on two boats that will never be used and many more when everyone is now struggling. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Fair. It does seem quite impossible. But they are definitely swing the discussions more about it. Whoever gets the seat of pm has serious work to do"
As someone who lives in Northern Ireland, the current Tory maelstrom has no bearing on my views of a United Ireland. As far as I'm concerned they are two entirely separate issues beyond the fact that only a stable government should drive any such issues. Given the current instability, now is not the time to be even thinking about it, and I'm more concerned about getting our own MLAs back at Stormont |
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over a year ago
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I really struggle with the idea of a United Ireland.
N. Ireland to me now feels like a close cousin. They have their own identity and culture.
I think there are alot of things we could collaborate on but I really find it hard to see how we would integrate our two societies fully now |
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"I really struggle with the idea of a United Ireland.
N. Ireland to me now feels like a close cousin. They have their own identity and culture.
I think there are alot of things we could collaborate on but I really find it hard to see how we would integrate our two societies fully now"
That's not true. I mean, compared to Cork, Leitrim has its own identity and culture. You can say the exact same about any two geographically distinct and distant areas.
I'm in Belfast and parts of Armagh regularly with groups of people and find more in common with them than I would with people in Galway, where I often find myself as well. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I really struggle with the idea of a United Ireland.
N. Ireland to me now feels like a close cousin. They have their own identity and culture.
I think there are alot of things we could collaborate on but I really find it hard to see how we would integrate our two societies fully now
That's not true. I mean, compared to Cork, Leitrim has its own identity and culture. You can say the exact same about any two geographically distinct and distant areas.
I'm in Belfast and parts of Armagh regularly with groups of people and find more in common with them than I would with people in Galway, where I often find myself as well. "
I take your point but it's not the same thing.
I have more in common at times with Americans I speak to but I'm not talking about integrating government, education, health services etc with them.
I'm also not entirely sure the desire for it is there in the majority as it used to be |
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"I really struggle with the idea of a United Ireland.
N. Ireland to me now feels like a close cousin. They have their own identity and culture.
I think there are alot of things we could collaborate on but I really find it hard to see how we would integrate our two societies fully now
That's not true. I mean, compared to Cork, Leitrim has its own identity and culture. You can say the exact same about any two geographically distinct and distant areas.
I'm in Belfast and parts of Armagh regularly with groups of people and find more in common with them than I would with people in Galway, where I often find myself as well.
I take your point but it's not the same thing.
I have more in common at times with Americans I speak to but I'm not talking about integrating government, education, health services etc with them.
I'm also not entirely sure the desire for it is there in the majority as it used to be"
Apples and oranges ... America and roi havnt been previously "integrated" for most of their entire existence.. |
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"I really struggle with the idea of a United Ireland.
N. Ireland to me now feels like a close cousin. They have their own identity and culture.
I think there are alot of things we could collaborate on but I really find it hard to see how we would integrate our two societies fully now
That's not true. I mean, compared to Cork, Leitrim has its own identity and culture. You can say the exact same about any two geographically distinct and distant areas.
I'm in Belfast and parts of Armagh regularly with groups of people and find more in common with them than I would with people in Galway, where I often find myself as well.
I take your point but it's not the same thing.
I have more in common at times with Americans I speak to but I'm not talking about integrating government, education, health services etc with them.
I'm also not entirely sure the desire for it is there in the majority as it used to be"
I disagree entirely. It's a subject very dear to my heart and I can see a change in the air. I mean, Leo Varadkar talking about his desire for unity was utterly unimaginable five years ago.
There's a new energy coming into the debate from young people. I was in the 3 Arena for that event a few weeks ago and what struck me was the age profile of the audience being younger than I had expected. |
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"I really struggle with the idea of a United Ireland.
N. Ireland to me now feels like a close cousin. They have their own identity and culture.
I think there are alot of things we could collaborate on but I really find it hard to see how we would integrate our two societies fully now
That's not true. I mean, compared to Cork, Leitrim has its own identity and culture. You can say the exact same about any two geographically distinct and distant areas.
I'm in Belfast and parts of Armagh regularly with groups of people and find more in common with them than I would with people in Galway, where I often find myself as well.
I take your point but it's not the same thing.
I have more in common at times with Americans I speak to but I'm not talking about integrating government, education, health services etc with them.
I'm also not entirely sure the desire for it is there in the majority as it used to be
Apples and oranges ... America and roi havnt been previously "integrated" for most of their entire existence.. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I really struggle with the idea of a United Ireland.
N. Ireland to me now feels like a close cousin. They have their own identity and culture.
I think there are alot of things we could collaborate on but I really find it hard to see how we would integrate our two societies fully now
That's not true. I mean, compared to Cork, Leitrim has its own identity and culture. You can say the exact same about any two geographically distinct and distant areas.
I'm in Belfast and parts of Armagh regularly with groups of people and find more in common with them than I would with people in Galway, where I often find myself as well.
I take your point but it's not the same thing.
I have more in common at times with Americans I speak to but I'm not talking about integrating government, education, health services etc with them.
I'm also not entirely sure the desire for it is there in the majority as it used to be
I disagree entirely. It's a subject very dear to my heart and I can see a change in the air. I mean, Leo Varadkar talking about his desire for unity was utterly unimaginable five years ago.
There's a new energy coming into the debate from young people. I was in the 3 Arena for that event a few weeks ago and what struck me was the age profile of the audience being younger than I had expected. "
I don't see it within my own social circles to be honest and any times it's discussed here it seems 50/50.
Maybe the greater reality of it will bring a surge who knows.
I just haven't seen any new voices calling for it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I really struggle with the idea of a United Ireland.
N. Ireland to me now feels like a close cousin. They have their own identity and culture.
I think there are alot of things we could collaborate on but I really find it hard to see how we would integrate our two societies fully now
That's not true. I mean, compared to Cork, Leitrim has its own identity and culture. You can say the exact same about any two geographically distinct and distant areas.
I'm in Belfast and parts of Armagh regularly with groups of people and find more in common with them than I would with people in Galway, where I often find myself as well.
I take your point but it's not the same thing.
I have more in common at times with Americans I speak to but I'm not talking about integrating government, education, health services etc with them.
I'm also not entirely sure the desire for it is there in the majority as it used to be
Apples and oranges ... America and roi havnt been previously "integrated" for most of their entire existence..
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Entire existence means little when its beyond the lifetime of the people who will decide on it. Granted the US example wasn't the most suitable |
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"I really struggle with the idea of a United Ireland.
N. Ireland to me now feels like a close cousin. They have their own identity and culture.
I think there are alot of things we could collaborate on but I really find it hard to see how we would integrate our two societies fully now
That's not true. I mean, compared to Cork, Leitrim has its own identity and culture. You can say the exact same about any two geographically distinct and distant areas.
I'm in Belfast and parts of Armagh regularly with groups of people and find more in common with them than I would with people in Galway, where I often find myself as well.
I take your point but it's not the same thing.
I have more in common at times with Americans I speak to but I'm not talking about integrating government, education, health services etc with them.
I'm also not entirely sure the desire for it is there in the majority as it used to be"
I've lived all my life in South Armagh and can confidently say I don't know anyone who is currently talking about a United Ireland.
They don't have time because they are too busy worrying about lack of health service provision, energy costs, unemployment and numerous other things.
Very few really give a fuck who is in government either in Stormont or Westminster. They just want them to get their finger out of their holes and start doing what they were elected to do. |
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"I really struggle with the idea of a United Ireland.
N. Ireland to me now feels like a close cousin. They have their own identity and culture.
I think there are alot of things we could collaborate on but I really find it hard to see how we would integrate our two societies fully now
That's not true. I mean, compared to Cork, Leitrim has its own identity and culture. You can say the exact same about any two geographically distinct and distant areas.
I'm in Belfast and parts of Armagh regularly with groups of people and find more in common with them than I would with people in Galway, where I often find myself as well.
I take your point but it's not the same thing.
I have more in common at times with Americans I speak to but I'm not talking about integrating government, education, health services etc with them.
I'm also not entirely sure the desire for it is there in the majority as it used to be
I disagree entirely. It's a subject very dear to my heart and I can see a change in the air. I mean, Leo Varadkar talking about his desire for unity was utterly unimaginable five years ago.
There's a new energy coming into the debate from young people. I was in the 3 Arena for that event a few weeks ago and what struck me was the age profile of the audience being younger than I had expected.
I don't see it within my own social circles to be honest and any times it's discussed here it seems 50/50.
Maybe the greater reality of it will bring a surge who knows.
I just haven't seen any new voices calling for it."
Hello... Leo Varadker and a number of other front bench FG members. Also a number of FF front benchers.
Ben Collins.
Jimmy Nesbitt.
Currently every political party south of the border has a position in favour of it.
Utterly unthinkable a few short years ago. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I really struggle with the idea of a United Ireland.
N. Ireland to me now feels like a close cousin. They have their own identity and culture.
I think there are alot of things we could collaborate on but I really find it hard to see how we would integrate our two societies fully now
That's not true. I mean, compared to Cork, Leitrim has its own identity and culture. You can say the exact same about any two geographically distinct and distant areas.
I'm in Belfast and parts of Armagh regularly with groups of people and find more in common with them than I would with people in Galway, where I often find myself as well.
I take your point but it's not the same thing.
I have more in common at times with Americans I speak to but I'm not talking about integrating government, education, health services etc with them.
I'm also not entirely sure the desire for it is there in the majority as it used to be
I disagree entirely. It's a subject very dear to my heart and I can see a change in the air. I mean, Leo Varadkar talking about his desire for unity was utterly unimaginable five years ago.
There's a new energy coming into the debate from young people. I was in the 3 Arena for that event a few weeks ago and what struck me was the age profile of the audience being younger than I had expected.
I don't see it within my own social circles to be honest and any times it's discussed here it seems 50/50.
Maybe the greater reality of it will bring a surge who knows.
I just haven't seen any new voices calling for it.
Hello... Leo Varadker and a number of other front bench FG members. Also a number of FF front benchers.
Ben Collins.
Jimmy Nesbitt.
Currently every political party south of the border has a position in favour of it.
Utterly unthinkable a few short years ago. "
Because of the political climate not because they didn't hold the belief. I'm talking about people who either don't want it or don't care being converted. I don't see it. Every political party has always been in favor of it
Hi by the way |
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"Boris is on a royal’er at the moment $150,000 for his latest talk in the states this week,why would he go back??
Because he loves the attention. "
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"I really struggle with the idea of a United Ireland.
N. Ireland to me now feels like a close cousin. They have their own identity and culture.
I think there are alot of things we could collaborate on but I really find it hard to see how we would integrate our two societies fully now
That's not true. I mean, compared to Cork, Leitrim has its own identity and culture. You can say the exact same about any two geographically distinct and distant areas.
I'm in Belfast and parts of Armagh regularly with groups of people and find more in common with them than I would with people in Galway, where I often find myself as well.
I take your point but it's not the same thing.
I have more in common at times with Americans I speak to but I'm not talking about integrating government, education, health services etc with them.
I'm also not entirely sure the desire for it is there in the majority as it used to be
I disagree entirely. It's a subject very dear to my heart and I can see a change in the air. I mean, Leo Varadkar talking about his desire for unity was utterly unimaginable five years ago.
There's a new energy coming into the debate from young people. I was in the 3 Arena for that event a few weeks ago and what struck me was the age profile of the audience being younger than I had expected.
I don't see it within my own social circles to be honest and any times it's discussed here it seems 50/50.
Maybe the greater reality of it will bring a surge who knows.
I just haven't seen any new voices calling for it.
Hello... Leo Varadker and a number of other front bench FG members. Also a number of FF front benchers.
Ben Collins.
Jimmy Nesbitt.
Currently every political party south of the border has a position in favour of it.
Utterly unthinkable a few short years ago.
Because of the political climate not because they didn't hold the belief. I'm talking about people who either don't want it or don't care being converted. I don't see it. Every political party has always been in favor of it
Hi by the way"
Oh yes, FG, the closet republican party, and one of whose leaders declared that unity was not in the interests of the Irish people.
Have a look at the lineup for the next "Ireland's Future" event when it appears and you'll see some.
It's also worth remembering that the unionist majority is gone. In another team years it will have shrunk another bit. We know this by looking at the last three census reports which detail where that majority was and what's coming down the line. Also, the British only identity has dropped from 40% down to 30% in the last ten years, and will drop further. The Irish only identity is just a tiny bit behind that and growing. Most of the others will be open to persuasion if the arguments are good enough. Change is coming, whether any of us like it or not.
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