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"I'm in shock that I agree with you on something aland " ssshhhh!!! don’t tell anyone | |||
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"Unions are critical in many industries, unfortunately this is particularly the case for indigenous businesses. However I do agree that there are lazy people out there who take advantage. Not sure how something could be put in place to remove these people? " Have them in all jobs, and as you said how do you remove them or give them a kick up the arse literally, the " been picked on" culture is rotten in a lot of places | |||
"Gotta be honest I think unions are badly needed .the employers have to much power these days so they use people ..has ireland learned nothing from covid. People gping to work pretending not to be sick because their minimum paid job for maximum work doesn't pay sick leave. " Eh I dunno about you but it’s an employee’s market at the minute. Employers can’t get employees at the minute with some even resorting to offering current employees cash incentives for recommending/finding new employees. | |||
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"Unions are critical in many industries, unfortunately this is particularly the case for indigenous businesses. However I do agree that there are lazy people out there who take advantage. Not sure how something could be put in place to remove these people? " True take for example the public sector and DAA etc places like that are rotten to the core | |||
"If you look at unions's history and what they have achieved for the worker, it's quite remarkable. Unfortunately some have become complacent and sluggish, they kinda missed the modernisation train. However with the inequality between the few rich and poor masses widening, I believe we badly need functioning unions. " Not doubting what they have achieved without them god knows where we would be. I think unions became a business more concerned about making money than protecting the workers. | |||
"What’s your thoughts on them ? Yes years ago there was a need for them as workers were being abused by them. In my working experience I’ve been in jobs with unions and without and I believe people who work in jobs without unions are a lot more happy and proactive in their jobs. On the other hand in union work places, people, especially lazy people hide behind unions for every little thing. Especially the likes of SIPTU extra, I am all for workers rights but not people hiding behind a union cos they don’t want to work " Yep,had a place at one time. But now it’s a money making factory for them. They love to get their teeth into big companies,more cash for them.then they cause trouble that didn’t exist. They have no interest in smaller companies where employees could do with them. Not enough cash generated for them in small firms. Basically I see unions as a business now. | |||
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"Unions are critical in many industries, unfortunately this is particularly the case for indigenous businesses. However I do agree that there are lazy people out there who take advantage. Not sure how something could be put in place to remove these people? True take for example the public sector and DAA etc places like that are rotten to the core " The problem there is civil servants cannot be sacked. Change that and the dynamic starts flowing again... | |||
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"Good unions are still very important and useful. Good unions are hard to find. Poor unions still provide some use though, and there are plenty of poor unions around. " Not to be picking on you but from my experience people from Dublin love the Unions and are very well versed in what the can and especially can’t do. Maybe it’s just their mindset | |||
"Good unions are still very important and useful. Good unions are hard to find. Poor unions still provide some use though, and there are plenty of poor unions around. Not to be picking on you but from my experience people from Dublin love the Unions and are very well versed in what the can and especially can’t do. Maybe it’s just their mindset " Did someone from Dublin piss in your cornflakes or what? You have a serious horn for the dub bashing. | |||
"Unions are critical in many industries, unfortunately this is particularly the case for indigenous businesses. However I do agree that there are lazy people out there who take advantage. Not sure how something could be put in place to remove these people? True take for example the public sector and DAA etc places like that are rotten to the core The problem there is civil servants cannot be sacked. Change that and the dynamic starts flowing again..." Yep thye should be sacked there's that Burke guy suspended from his job on full pay like wtaf. I have since I was 16 in the private sector and a civil servant since 2016 and the laziness and attitude of some work colleagues is shocking. A lot went into the job in their early 20s and are so institutionalised now they would get a rude awakening working in the private sector. | |||
"Good unions are still very important and useful. Good unions are hard to find. Poor unions still provide some use though, and there are plenty of poor unions around. Not to be picking on you but from my experience people from Dublin love the Unions and are very well versed in what the can and especially can’t do. Maybe it’s just their mindset " I personally wouldn't use your experience as a solid barometer though.  | |||
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"Good unions are still very important and useful. Good unions are hard to find. Poor unions still provide some use though, and there are plenty of poor unions around. Not to be picking on you but from my experience people from Dublin love the Unions and are very well versed in what the can and especially can’t do. Maybe it’s just their mindset Did someone from Dublin piss in your cornflakes or what? You have a serious horn for the dub bashing. "Not at all just my experience and many others from outside the pale. Culchies have a just get on with it/get it done mindset, whereas Dubs have a different mindset. Ask any culchie they will say the same | |||
"Unions are great for people who don't know how to stand up for themselves in the work place, all a union does is take a tenner a month off you, this happened in my last job, a few like myself refused to join as we didn't think it was necessary, most who paid the sub didn't see any benefit at all, there was virtually no communication with the union only to pay the sub, standing up for yourself is better than any union the law is on your side, don't let any employer abuse you as you could have them in front of a tribunal. " Theres strength in numbers, which is needed when not everyone is good at defending themselves or being aware of their rights. Oh yes Rights - we only have them because of unions | |||
"That's the probelm with the system. Not one fulktime public sector or civil servant csn be sacked or fired from thier job , even in the face of total incompetence. 5 year contract should be the normal practice and before the end of year 4 , sit down review the employee if up to standards and both parties agree a new 5 year contract will be offered with less then 6months of the current contract ending. Gives the employee time to see if they want it, but also gets rid of poor preforming staff" Sure your assessed yearly for your increment but people still get it, a lot are afraid to rock the boat as such but it is starting to change thank god. | |||
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"Good unions are still very important and useful. Good unions are hard to find. Poor unions still provide some use though, and there are plenty of poor unions around. Not to be picking on you but from my experience people from Dublin love the Unions and are very well versed in what the can and especially can’t do. Maybe it’s just their mindset Did someone from Dublin piss in your cornflakes or what? You have a serious horn for the dub bashing.
Not at all just my experience and many others from outside the pale. Culchies have a just get on with it/get it done mindset, whereas Dubs have a different mindset. Ask any culchie they will say the same "What an idiotic statement  | |||
"That's the probelm with the system. Not one fulktime public sector or civil servant csn be sacked or fired from thier job , even in the face of total incompetence. 5 year contract should be the normal practice and before the end of year 4 , sit down review the employee if up to standards and both parties agree a new 5 year contract will be offered with less then 6months of the current contract ending. Gives the employee time to see if they want it, but also gets rid of poor preforming staff Sure your assessed yearly for your increment but people still get it, a lot are afraid to rock the boat as such but it is starting to change thank god. Good hard working staff need to be rewarded even if it's just a small yearly or every two year increase. Buy no one should have a blanket cover of no fear of losing their job for constantly poor preformance " | |||
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"Good unions are still very important and useful. Good unions are hard to find. Poor unions still provide some use though, and there are plenty of poor unions around. Not to be picking on you but from my experience people from Dublin love the Unions and are very well versed in what the can and especially can’t do. Maybe it’s just their mindset Did someone from Dublin piss in your cornflakes or what? You have a serious horn for the dub bashing.
Not at all just my experience and many others from outside the pale. Culchies have a just get on with it/get it done mindset, whereas Dubs have a different mindset. Ask any culchie they will say the same "I'm a culchie and I would disagree with your nonsense. Painting a population of 1.5 million people as being all of the same mindset is hilarious. | |||
"Having been across the table from Unions for many years I only ever found them a drain on resources and my colleagues (that were tupe'd across from the public sector) were just as bad. Every change of a process or procedure had to go via the union. As above, employment law and workplace equality is pretty robust in Ireland so there should be no need for unions in this day and age." Without unions how would nurse's get pay increases because the hse/government wouldn't just give them one. I suppose you'd rather privatise everything and let the market work its magic? | |||
"Good unions are still very important and useful. Good unions are hard to find. Poor unions still provide some use though, and there are plenty of poor unions around. Not to be picking on you but from my experience people from Dublin love the Unions and are very well versed in what the can and especially can’t do. Maybe it’s just their mindset Did someone from Dublin piss in your cornflakes or what? You have a serious horn for the dub bashing.
Not at all just my experience and many others from outside the pale. Culchies have a just get on with it/get it done mindset, whereas Dubs have a different mindset. Ask any culchie they will say the same
I'm a culchie and I would disagree with your nonsense. Painting a population of 1.5 million people as being all of the same mindset is hilarious. "How long are you in Dublin? | |||
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"Good unions are still very important and useful. Good unions are hard to find. Poor unions still provide some use though, and there are plenty of poor unions around. Not to be picking on you but from my experience people from Dublin love the Unions and are very well versed in what the can and especially can’t do. Maybe it’s just their mindset Did someone from Dublin piss in your cornflakes or what? You have a serious horn for the dub bashing.
Not at all just my experience and many others from outside the pale. Culchies have a just get on with it/get it done mindset, whereas Dubs have a different mindset. Ask any culchie they will say the same
I'm a culchie and I would disagree with your nonsense. Painting a population of 1.5 million people as being all of the same mindset is hilarious.
How long are you in Dublin?"Long enough to be aware that growing up outside of Dublin doesn't automatically make you a better prospect as an employee. | |||
"Good unions are still very important and useful. Good unions are hard to find. Poor unions still provide some use though, and there are plenty of poor unions around. Not to be picking on you but from my experience people from Dublin love the Unions and are very well versed in what the can and especially can’t do. Maybe it’s just their mindset Did someone from Dublin piss in your cornflakes or what? You have a serious horn for the dub bashing.
Not at all just my experience and many others from outside the pale. Culchies have a just get on with it/get it done mindset, whereas Dubs have a different mindset. Ask any culchie they will say the same
I'm a culchie and I would disagree with your nonsense. Painting a population of 1.5 million people as being all of the same mindset is hilarious.
How long are you in Dublin?
Long enough to be aware that growing up outside of Dublin doesn't automatically make you a better prospect as an employee. "Ha that’s your opinion…. Maybe you’re living there too long | |||
"In my experience of work places with and without unions, lazy people will always find ways to be lazy and proactive people will be proactive. Maintaining the levels of motivation and removing the deadwood usually depends on how efficient management are tbh" We don't have many real managers in Ireland. We have reactors as they only react to a situation only every dealing with the now nor really worrying about tomorrow | |||
"Good unions are still very important and useful. Good unions are hard to find. Poor unions still provide some use though, and there are plenty of poor unions around. Not to be picking on you but from my experience people from Dublin love the Unions and are very well versed in what the can and especially can’t do. Maybe it’s just their mindset Did someone from Dublin piss in your cornflakes or what? You have a serious horn for the dub bashing.
Not at all just my experience and many others from outside the pale. Culchies have a just get on with it/get it done mindset, whereas Dubs have a different mindset. Ask any culchie they will say the same
I'm a culchie and I would disagree with your nonsense. Painting a population of 1.5 million people as being all of the same mindset is hilarious.
How long are you in Dublin?
Long enough to be aware that growing up outside of Dublin doesn't automatically make you a better prospect as an employee.
Ha that’s your opinion…. Maybe you’re living there too long"It frightens me to think that there could be someone walking around with your level of naivety. I console myself with the thought that you're just deliberately trying to be a shit stirrer. | |||
"Good unions are still very important and useful. Good unions are hard to find. Poor unions still provide some use though, and there are plenty of poor unions around. Not to be picking on you but from my experience people from Dublin love the Unions and are very well versed in what the can and especially can’t do. Maybe it’s just their mindset Did someone from Dublin piss in your cornflakes or what? You have a serious horn for the dub bashing.
Not at all just my experience and many others from outside the pale. Culchies have a just get on with it/get it done mindset, whereas Dubs have a different mindset. Ask any culchie they will say the same
I'm a culchie and I would disagree with your nonsense. Painting a population of 1.5 million people as being all of the same mindset is hilarious.
How long are you in Dublin?
Long enough to be aware that growing up outside of Dublin doesn't automatically make you a better prospect as an employee.
Ha that’s your opinion…. Maybe you’re living there too long
It frightens me to think that there could be someone walking around with your level of naivety. I console myself with the thought that you're just deliberately trying to be a shit stirrer. "Your opinion, it’s been said to me in a job interview that my potential employer stated they don’t tend to employ people from Dublin as they cause too much trouble… | |||
"Good unions are still very important and useful. Good unions are hard to find. Poor unions still provide some use though, and there are plenty of poor unions around. Not to be picking on you but from my experience people from Dublin love the Unions and are very well versed in what the can and especially can’t do. Maybe it’s just their mindset Did someone from Dublin piss in your cornflakes or what? You have a serious horn for the dub bashing.
Not at all just my experience and many others from outside the pale. Culchies have a just get on with it/get it done mindset, whereas Dubs have a different mindset. Ask any culchie they will say the same
I'm a culchie and I would disagree with your nonsense. Painting a population of 1.5 million people as being all of the same mindset is hilarious.
How long are you in Dublin?
Long enough to be aware that growing up outside of Dublin doesn't automatically make you a better prospect as an employee.
Ha that’s your opinion…. Maybe you’re living there too long
It frightens me to think that there could be someone walking around with your level of naivety. I console myself with the thought that you're just deliberately trying to be a shit stirrer.
Your opinion, it’s been said to me in a job interview that my potential employer stated they don’t tend to employ people from Dublin as they cause too much trouble…"That really doesn't surprise me. I'd imagine you'd be drawn to such a company. | |||
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"Good unions are still very important and useful. Good unions are hard to find. Poor unions still provide some use though, and there are plenty of poor unions around. Not to be picking on you but from my experience people from Dublin love the Unions and are very well versed in what the can and especially can’t do. Maybe it’s just their mindset Did someone from Dublin piss in your cornflakes or what? You have a serious horn for the dub bashing.
Not at all just my experience and many others from outside the pale. Culchies have a just get on with it/get it done mindset, whereas Dubs have a different mindset. Ask any culchie they will say the same
I'm a culchie and I would disagree with your nonsense. Painting a population of 1.5 million people as being all of the same mindset is hilarious.
How long are you in Dublin?
Long enough to be aware that growing up outside of Dublin doesn't automatically make you a better prospect as an employee.
Ha that’s your opinion…. Maybe you’re living there too long
It frightens me to think that there could be someone walking around with your level of naivety. I console myself with the thought that you're just deliberately trying to be a shit stirrer.
Your opinion, it’s been said to me in a job interview that my potential employer stated they don’t tend to employ people from Dublin as they cause too much trouble…
That really doesn't surprise me. I'd imagine you'd be drawn to such a company. "Quite a successful company who payed extremely well and carried out work for large semi-state companies. I didn’t take the role in the end due to the excessive travel involved but that’s just my experience | |||
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"In my experience of work places with and without unions, lazy people will always find ways to be lazy and proactive people will be proactive. Maintaining the levels of motivation and removing the deadwood usually depends on how efficient management are tbh We don't have many real managers in Ireland. We have reactors as they only react to a situation only every dealing with the now nor really worrying about tomorrow " That's bollox tbh I've worked with some fantastic managers and there are some incredibly well run companies in Ireland. There are obviously examples of the opposite also. But saying there aren't many isn't accurate. | |||
"What’s your thoughts on them ? Yes years ago there was a need for them as workers were being abused by them. In my working experience I’ve been in jobs with unions and without and I believe people who work in jobs without unions are a lot more happy and proactive in their jobs. On the other hand in union work places, people, especially lazy people hide behind unions for every little thing. Especially the likes of SIPTU extra, I am all for workers rights but not people hiding behind a union cos they don’t want to work " Are you an employee or employer? | |||
"Good unions are still very important and useful. Good unions are hard to find. Poor unions still provide some use though, and there are plenty of poor unions around. Not to be picking on you but from my experience people from Dublin love the Unions and are very well versed in what the can and especially can’t do. Maybe it’s just their mindset Did someone from Dublin piss in your cornflakes or what? You have a serious horn for the dub bashing.
Not at all just my experience and many others from outside the pale. Culchies have a just get on with it/get it done mindset, whereas Dubs have a different mindset. Ask any culchie they will say the same
I'm a culchie and I would disagree with your nonsense. Painting a population of 1.5 million people as being all of the same mindset is hilarious.
How long are you in Dublin?
Long enough to be aware that growing up outside of Dublin doesn't automatically make you a better prospect as an employee.
Ha that’s your opinion…. Maybe you’re living there too long
It frightens me to think that there could be someone walking around with your level of naivety. I console myself with the thought that you're just deliberately trying to be a shit stirrer.
Your opinion, it’s been said to me in a job interview that my potential employer stated they don’t tend to employ people from Dublin as they cause too much trouble…
That really doesn't surprise me. I'd imagine you'd be drawn to such a company.
Quite a successful company who payed extremely well and carried out work for large semi-state companies. I didn’t take the role in the end due to the excessive travel involved but that’s just my experience "Nah, I don't believe any of that. | |||
"Good unions are still very important and useful. Good unions are hard to find. Poor unions still provide some use though, and there are plenty of poor unions around. Not to be picking on you but from my experience people from Dublin love the Unions and are very well versed in what the can and especially can’t do. Maybe it’s just their mindset Did someone from Dublin piss in your cornflakes or what? You have a serious horn for the dub bashing.
Not at all just my experience and many others from outside the pale. Culchies have a just get on with it/get it done mindset, whereas Dubs have a different mindset. Ask any culchie they will say the same
I'm a culchie and I would disagree with your nonsense. Painting a population of 1.5 million people as being all of the same mindset is hilarious.
How long are you in Dublin?
Long enough to be aware that growing up outside of Dublin doesn't automatically make you a better prospect as an employee.
Ha that’s your opinion…. Maybe you’re living there too long
It frightens me to think that there could be someone walking around with your level of naivety. I console myself with the thought that you're just deliberately trying to be a shit stirrer.
Your opinion, it’s been said to me in a job interview that my potential employer stated they don’t tend to employ people from Dublin as they cause too much trouble…
That really doesn't surprise me. I'd imagine you'd be drawn to such a company.
Quite a successful company who payed extremely well and carried out work for large semi-state companies. I didn’t take the role in the end due to the excessive travel involved but that’s just my experience
Nah, I don't believe any of that. "I’m not asking you to believe nor do I care if you do or not. It was said | |||
"Good unions are still very important and useful. Good unions are hard to find. Poor unions still provide some use though, and there are plenty of poor unions around. Not to be picking on you but from my experience people from Dublin love the Unions and are very well versed in what the can and especially can’t do. Maybe it’s just their mindset Did someone from Dublin piss in your cornflakes or what? You have a serious horn for the dub bashing.
Not at all just my experience and many others from outside the pale. Culchies have a just get on with it/get it done mindset, whereas Dubs have a different mindset. Ask any culchie they will say the same
I'm a culchie and I would disagree with your nonsense. Painting a population of 1.5 million people as being all of the same mindset is hilarious.
How long are you in Dublin?
Long enough to be aware that growing up outside of Dublin doesn't automatically make you a better prospect as an employee.
Ha that’s your opinion…. Maybe you’re living there too long
It frightens me to think that there could be someone walking around with your level of naivety. I console myself with the thought that you're just deliberately trying to be a shit stirrer.
Your opinion, it’s been said to me in a job interview that my potential employer stated they don’t tend to employ people from Dublin as they cause too much trouble…
That really doesn't surprise me. I'd imagine you'd be drawn to such a company.
Quite a successful company who payed extremely well and carried out work for large semi-state companies. I didn’t take the role in the end due to the excessive travel involved but that’s just my experience
Nah, I don't believe any of that.
I’m not asking you to believe nor do I care if you do or not. It was said "You hearing it and it being said are two different things. | |||
"In my experience of work places with and without unions, lazy people will always find ways to be lazy and proactive people will be proactive. Maintaining the levels of motivation and removing the deadwood usually depends on how efficient management are tbh We don't have many real managers in Ireland. We have reactors as they only react to a situation only every dealing with the now nor really worrying about tomorrow That's bollox tbh I've worked with some fantastic managers and there are some incredibly well run companies in Ireland. There are obviously examples of the opposite also. But saying there aren't many isn't accurate." Like I said not many not all. A level 8 qualification been the requirement doesn't mean yiu get a quified person in the role. I worked for a large pharma company. We Nedd to hire a warehouse manger and warehouse supervisor. Several in-house candidates went for them, myself included as I was acting shift supervisor. No in-house person got the roles, as union policy stated level 8 required for warehouse management roles. The two new hires 23yo level art degree with no experience and a 27you level 8 childcare person. Both myself and two others with level 7s and experience weren't considered due to the unions policy. But we ere asked to aide the training of both new hires in there roles. When we refused the union wouldn't back us in out disagreement with the company. My case was if I'm not suitable for the role I've been doing for over a year how can be suitable to train someone for said role. | |||
"In my experience of work places with and without unions, lazy people will always find ways to be lazy and proactive people will be proactive. Maintaining the levels of motivation and removing the deadwood usually depends on how efficient management are tbh We don't have many real managers in Ireland. We have reactors as they only react to a situation only every dealing with the now nor really worrying about tomorrow That's bollox tbh I've worked with some fantastic managers and there are some incredibly well run companies in Ireland. There are obviously examples of the opposite also. But saying there aren't many isn't accurate. Like I said not many not all. A level 8 qualification been the requirement doesn't mean yiu get a quified person in the role. I worked for a large pharma company. We Nedd to hire a warehouse manger and warehouse supervisor. Several in-house candidates went for them, myself included as I was acting shift supervisor. No in-house person got the roles, as union policy stated level 8 required for warehouse management roles. The two new hires 23yo level art degree with no experience and a 27you level 8 childcare person. Both myself and two others with level 7s and experience weren't considered due to the unions policy. But we ere asked to aide the training of both new hires in there roles. When we refused the union wouldn't back us in out disagreement with the company. My case was if I'm not suitable for the role I've been doing for over a year how can be suitable to train someone for said role. " You said we don't have many real managers in Ireland. Clearly and naturally colored by your negative experience above. I can understand the frustration in the general example above and there are plenty of terrible managers and managent structures. But there are just as many really good ones | |||
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"In my experience of work places with and without unions, lazy people will always find ways to be lazy and proactive people will be proactive. Maintaining the levels of motivation and removing the deadwood usually depends on how efficient management are tbh We don't have many real managers in Ireland. We have reactors as they only react to a situation only every dealing with the now nor really worrying about tomorrow That's bollox tbh I've worked with some fantastic managers and there are some incredibly well run companies in Ireland. There are obviously examples of the opposite also. But saying there aren't many isn't accurate. Like I said not many not all. A level 8 qualification been the requirement doesn't mean yiu get a quified person in the role. I worked for a large pharma company. We Nedd to hire a warehouse manger and warehouse supervisor. Several in-house candidates went for them, myself included as I was acting shift supervisor. No in-house person got the roles, as union policy stated level 8 required for warehouse management roles. The two new hires 23yo level art degree with no experience and a 27you level 8 childcare person. Both myself and two others with level 7s and experience weren't considered due to the unions policy. But we ere asked to aide the training of both new hires in there roles. When we refused the union wouldn't back us in out disagreement with the company. My case was if I'm not suitable for the role I've been doing for over a year how can be suitable to train someone for said role. You said we don't have many real managers in Ireland. Clearly and naturally colored by your negative experience above. I can understand the frustration in the general example above and there are plenty of terrible managers and managent structures. But there are just as many really good ones" That above elhas no bearing on it. It juat highlights the problem unions cause, sometimes no qualifications and actual working experience is more valuable than a level 8. Again I said not many not none. My current workplace I'm more qualified than all bar 1 of the 9 managers I deal with [currently about to finish my level 9]. But they all have 10 or more years working for said company so there experience is worth more than a peice of paper. Again I would class them all bar 2 as poor examples of managers, able to run maintain shifts workloads. No clue how to manage people, rosters , holiday entitlements. Been offered a operational support role 3 times , but turned it dowm. I prefer the work like balance I have now, while studying. Of course I have worked with fantastic managers but from my 24years of working could count them on one have across several industries | |||
"In my experience of work places with and without unions, lazy people will always find ways to be lazy and proactive people will be proactive. Maintaining the levels of motivation and removing the deadwood usually depends on how efficient management are tbh We don't have many real managers in Ireland. We have reactors as they only react to a situation only every dealing with the now nor really worrying about tomorrow That's bollox tbh I've worked with some fantastic managers and there are some incredibly well run companies in Ireland. There are obviously examples of the opposite also. But saying there aren't many isn't accurate. Like I said not many not all. A level 8 qualification been the requirement doesn't mean yiu get a quified person in the role. I worked for a large pharma company. We Nedd to hire a warehouse manger and warehouse supervisor. Several in-house candidates went for them, myself included as I was acting shift supervisor. No in-house person got the roles, as union policy stated level 8 required for warehouse management roles. The two new hires 23yo level art degree with no experience and a 27you level 8 childcare person. Both myself and two others with level 7s and experience weren't considered due to the unions policy. But we ere asked to aide the training of both new hires in there roles. When we refused the union wouldn't back us in out disagreement with the company. My case was if I'm not suitable for the role I've been doing for over a year how can be suitable to train someone for said role. You said we don't have many real managers in Ireland. Clearly and naturally colored by your negative experience above. I can understand the frustration in the general example above and there are plenty of terrible managers and managent structures. But there are just as many really good ones That above elhas no bearing on it. It juat highlights the problem unions cause, sometimes no qualifications and actual working experience is more valuable than a level 8. Again I said not many not none. My current workplace I'm more qualified than all bar 1 of the 9 managers I deal with [currently about to finish my level 9]. But they all have 10 or more years working for said company so there experience is worth more than a peice of paper. Again I would class them all bar 2 as poor examples of managers, able to run maintain shifts workloads. No clue how to manage people, rosters , holiday entitlements. Been offered a operational support role 3 times , but turned it dowm. I prefer the work like balance I have now, while studying. Of course I have worked with fantastic managers but from my 24years of working could count them on one have across several industries " Sounds like you've had a pretty shitty career experience... sorry to hear that | |||
"Far too strong in Ireland generally especially in the public sector and makes reconfiguration of services very challenging . A huge reason why the hse is so hard to ‘fix’" This absolutely this. Speaking as an employer... unions have their place in businesses where employers take the piss and have unfair expectations of employees. They need to exist for this purpose. For responsible employers who value their employees they can be an administrative pain in the ass. The problem is knowing which is which and keeping it fair. | |||
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"In my experience of work places with and without unions, lazy people will always find ways to be lazy and proactive people will be proactive. Maintaining the levels of motivation and removing the deadwood usually depends on how efficient management are tbh We don't have many real managers in Ireland. We have reactors as they only react to a situation only every dealing with the now nor really worrying about tomorrow That's bollox tbh I've worked with some fantastic managers and there are some incredibly well run companies in Ireland. There are obviously examples of the opposite also. But saying there aren't many isn't accurate. Like I said not many not all. A level 8 qualification been the requirement doesn't mean yiu get a quified person in the role. I worked for a large pharma company. We Nedd to hire a warehouse manger and warehouse supervisor. Several in-house candidates went for them, myself included as I was acting shift supervisor. No in-house person got the roles, as union policy stated level 8 required for warehouse management roles. The two new hires 23yo level art degree with no experience and a 27you level 8 childcare person. Both myself and two others with level 7s and experience weren't considered due to the unions policy. But we ere asked to aide the training of both new hires in there roles. When we refused the union wouldn't back us in out disagreement with the company. My case was if I'm not suitable for the role I've been doing for over a year how can be suitable to train someone for said role. You said we don't have many real managers in Ireland. Clearly and naturally colored by your negative experience above. I can understand the frustration in the general example above and there are plenty of terrible managers and managent structures. But there are just as many really good ones That above elhas no bearing on it. It juat highlights the problem unions cause, sometimes no qualifications and actual working experience is more valuable than a level 8. Again I said not many not none. My current workplace I'm more qualified than all bar 1 of the 9 managers I deal with [currently about to finish my level 9]. But they all have 10 or more years working for said company so there experience is worth more than a peice of paper. Again I would class them all bar 2 as poor examples of managers, able to run maintain shifts workloads. No clue how to manage people, rosters , holiday entitlements. Been offered a operational support role 3 times , but turned it dowm. I prefer the work like balance I have now, while studying. Of course I have worked with fantastic managers but from my 24years of working could count them on one have across several industries Sounds like you've had a pretty shitty career experience... sorry to hear that "I've had a fantastic career managing a warehouse at 19 with my employer paying for my level 6 qualifications. Been superior in serval jobs in different industries. No mortgage at 41. Purchased a house with money in the bank at 29. It nit all about job titles , it about picking the right job to maximise your earnings | |||
"In my experience of work places with and without unions, lazy people will always find ways to be lazy and proactive people will be proactive. Maintaining the levels of motivation and removing the deadwood usually depends on how efficient management are tbh We don't have many real managers in Ireland. We have reactors as they only react to a situation only every dealing with the now nor really worrying about tomorrow That's bollox tbh I've worked with some fantastic managers and there are some incredibly well run companies in Ireland. There are obviously examples of the opposite also. But saying there aren't many isn't accurate. Like I said not many not all. A level 8 qualification been the requirement doesn't mean yiu get a quified person in the role. I worked for a large pharma company. We Nedd to hire a warehouse manger and warehouse supervisor. Several in-house candidates went for them, myself included as I was acting shift supervisor. No in-house person got the roles, as union policy stated level 8 required for warehouse management roles. The two new hires 23yo level art degree with no experience and a 27you level 8 childcare person. Both myself and two others with level 7s and experience weren't considered due to the unions policy. But we ere asked to aide the training of both new hires in there roles. When we refused the union wouldn't back us in out disagreement with the company. My case was if I'm not suitable for the role I've been doing for over a year how can be suitable to train someone for said role. You said we don't have many real managers in Ireland. Clearly and naturally colored by your negative experience above. I can understand the frustration in the general example above and there are plenty of terrible managers and managent structures. But there are just as many really good ones That above elhas no bearing on it. It juat highlights the problem unions cause, sometimes no qualifications and actual working experience is more valuable than a level 8. Again I said not many not none. My current workplace I'm more qualified than all bar 1 of the 9 managers I deal with [currently about to finish my level 9]. But they all have 10 or more years working for said company so there experience is worth more than a peice of paper. Again I would class them all bar 2 as poor examples of managers, able to run maintain shifts workloads. No clue how to manage people, rosters , holiday entitlements. Been offered a operational support role 3 times , but turned it dowm. I prefer the work like balance I have now, while studying. Of course I have worked with fantastic managers but from my 24years of working could count them on one have across several industries Sounds like you've had a pretty shitty career experience... sorry to hear that
I've had a fantastic career managing a warehouse at 19 with my employer paying for my level 6 qualifications. Been superior in serval jobs in different industries. No mortgage at 41. Purchased a house with money in the bank at 29. It nit all about job titles , it about picking the right job to maximise your earnings "So you have had good supporting managers ... good teams and good companies to work with across different industries. Yet still you feel the majority of managers aren't worthy of your judgment to be classed as anything but poor. Interesting   | |||
"As above, employment law and workplace equality is pretty robust in Ireland so there should be no need for unions in this day and age." Tell that to people employed in Hospitality and Retail. Zero Hour Contracts and No Sick Pay. I remember a time of a Personnel Manager who represented staff now we are a Human Resource, major difference in attitude between the two | |||
"As above, employment law and workplace equality is pretty robust in Ireland so there should be no need for unions in this day and age. Tell that to people employed in Hospitality and Retail. Zero Hour Contracts and No Sick Pay. I remember a time of a Personnel Manager who represented staff now we are a Human Resource, major difference in attitude between the two " No such thing as zero hour contracts any more. Mage illegal couple if years back. Most contracts in those industries will have 15-20hours written is as the hours per week | |||
"You may not think that unions are important or you maybe lucky enough to work in an environment we’re you haven’t had the need for them but if in your employment you receive paid holiday leave, maternity leave,bereavement leave, fixed working hours, overtime pay and many other benefits you should know that you are receiving those because of the work unions have done over the years to improve workers rights. You may think there’s no point in unions but they stand up for workers and by extent working class peoples rights. If unions weren’t there it would only increase the gap between the rich and the poor " I agree with you regarding above to a degree. I'm public service and have been a union member for most of my career. I have requested union assistance on 2 occasions and been involved a staff members complaint. 1st occasion the rep was too busy kissing senior managements ass to help me. 2nd occasion a feeble attempt was made to assist me but little interest tbh The staff members complaint which was really a member of staff not wanting to do a certain piece of work that was on her job description, so she went off on stress leave. The union rep requested I change her job description to the duties the staff member liked! Wtf!!!!! Then I was standing in a queue for lunch and overheard the rep discussing the case with another person. Obviously I reported her, she got a slapped wrist and promotion shortly after that. The moral of this story is the Unions can be useful but like management, if they are incopetent and havnt a clue, it is pointless them being there!!! | |||
"In my experience of work places with and without unions, lazy people will always find ways to be lazy and proactive people will be proactive. Maintaining the levels of motivation and removing the deadwood usually depends on how efficient management are tbh Again your not reading my quote. As I've been in a supervisory /manganese role from a early staring point, my experience of dealing with managers has been 20plus years, think I'm pretty good to see good from bad managers. I've said nothing about good support teams or managers. First company rewarded me but no pay increase but paid for my level 6. Other job Amy team I had to work with was assembled by me either as part of supervisor role or as a cause effect of poor management decisions on hires We don't have many real managers in Ireland. We have reactors as they only react to a situation only every dealing with the now nor really worrying about tomorrow That's bollox tbh I've worked with some fantastic managers and there are some incredibly well run companies in Ireland. There are obviously examples of the opposite also. But saying there aren't many isn't accurate. Like I said not many not all. A level 8 qualification been the requirement doesn't mean yiu get a quified person in the role. I worked for a large pharma company. We Nedd to hire a warehouse manger and warehouse supervisor. Several in-house candidates went for them, myself included as I was acting shift supervisor. No in-house person got the roles, as union policy stated level 8 required for warehouse management roles. The two new hires 23yo level art degree with no experience and a 27you level 8 childcare person. Both myself and two others with level 7s and experience weren't considered due to the unions policy. But we ere asked to aide the training of both new hires in there roles. When we refused the union wouldn't back us in out disagreement with the company. My case was if I'm not suitable for the role I've been doing for over a year how can be suitable to train someone for said role. You said we don't have many real managers in Ireland. Clearly and naturally colored by your negative experience above. I can understand the frustration in the general example above and there are plenty of terrible managers and managent structures. But there are just as many really good ones That above elhas no bearing on it. It juat highlights the problem unions cause, sometimes no qualifications and actual working experience is more valuable than a level 8. Again I said not many not none. My current workplace I'm more qualified than all bar 1 of the 9 managers I deal with [currently about to finish my level 9]. But they all have 10 or more years working for said company so there experience is worth more than a peice of paper. Again I would class them all bar 2 as poor examples of managers, able to run maintain shifts workloads. No clue how to manage people, rosters , holiday entitlements. Been offered a operational support role 3 times , but turned it dowm. I prefer the work like balance I have now, while studying. Of course I have worked with fantastic managers but from my 24years of working could count them on one have across several industries Sounds like you've had a pretty shitty career experience... sorry to hear that
I've had a fantastic career managing a warehouse at 19 with my employer paying for my level 6 qualifications. Been superior in serval jobs in different industries. No mortgage at 41. Purchased a house with money in the bank at 29. It nit all about job titles , it about picking the right job to maximise your earnings
So you have had good supporting managers ... good teams and good companies to work with across different industries.
Yet still you feel the majority of managers aren't worthy of your judgment to be classed as anything but poor.
Interesting " | |||
"As above, employment law and workplace equality is pretty robust in Ireland so there should be no need for unions in this day and age. Tell that to people employed in Hospitality and Retail. Zero Hour Contracts and No Sick Pay. I remember a time of a Personnel Manager who represented staff now we are a Human Resource, major difference in attitude between the two No such thing as zero hour contracts any more. Mage illegal couple if years back. Most contracts in those industries will have 15-20hours written is as the hours per week" Dressed up as Offer & Refuse contracts | |||
"As above, employment law and workplace equality is pretty robust in Ireland so there should be no need for unions in this day and age. Tell that to people employed in Hospitality and Retail. Zero Hour Contracts and No Sick Pay. I remember a time of a Personnel Manager who represented staff now we are a Human Resource, major difference in attitude between the two No such thing as zero hour contracts any more. Mage illegal couple if years back. Most contracts in those industries will have 15-20hours written is as the hours per week Dressed up as Offer & Refuse contracts " Then refuse it. Plus more amd more workplaces don't sick pay. Some do, other pay you x amount while out ,but take it back 6-8weeks later. They pay so your not without a wage while you claim illness benefits from the welfare | |||
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"What’s your thoughts on them ? Yes years ago there was a need for them as workers were being abused by them. In my working experience I’ve been in jobs with unions and without and I believe people who work in jobs without unions are a lot more happy and proactive in their jobs. On the other hand in union work places, people, especially lazy people hide behind unions for every little thing. Especially the likes of SIPTU extra, I am all for workers rights but not people hiding behind a union cos they don’t want to work " I worked in a factory years ago for a large multinational and I have to agree. siptu was a joke with a shower if lazy b******* running the show and no one willing to unseat them. In my current job I'm also in a union and found it ok. Especially when there is a lazy manager who is only to willing to point the finger and shaft you. I can see it from both sides to be honest. I remember being almost forced to do something once and calling in a senior steward who went in and took no shit. Unions work when the right people are there. Being perfectly honest, if you get a fair manager your sorted. When you don't, well that's the time the support of a union comes in handy | |||
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"If worker legislation is so robust ,how does that explain that most workers are now on precarious contracts. Bogus self employment is rife across all sectors of industry construction ,education ,hospitality ,food delivery Bogus self employment is a mis classification of workers who shoild be on PAYE contracts but are classed as self employed. Losing out on holiday pay ,pension. Even overtime rates We need more union ,we need the 1990 industrial relations act reformed So employer must by law recognise collective bargaining. Every decent working condition Weekend s . Holidays Set hourly pay rates 40 hour week and overtime rate Bank holidays wernt given by the largess of employers or Banks ! Pension entitlement All won by men and women who formed union and fought hard for . And every single one of those conditions are under attract by employers and their representatives bodies. " Well said and true! | |||
