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Enoch Burke

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

What’s your thoughts on it ? Jailed for refusing to call someone “they” I get the child is a boy but identifies as a girl, but they can’t keep him in jail over something like this ?

Not anti trans btw

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By *ot neuteredMan over a year ago

Kildare

From a Religious Fundamentalist family who regularly in the limelight, he can rot in jail.

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By *og-ManMan over a year ago

somewhere

Talking through your arse ....he was jailed for contempt of court but that doesnt suit your narrative does it

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By *edknobsMan over a year ago

mullingar

"What’s your thoughts on it ? Jailed for refusing to call someone “they” I get the child is a boy but identifies as a girl, but they can’t keep him in jail over something like this ?

Not anti trans btw "

I think the lift doesn't get off ground floor though.... there's deeper issues at play me thinks

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

"What’s your thoughts on it ? Jailed for refusing to call someone “they” I get the child is a boy but identifies as a girl, but they can’t keep him in jail over something like this ?

Not anti trans btw "

Hes jailed for breaking a court order.

The court order was given because he was suspended by the school

The school suspended him because he refused to abide a directive they issue re the pronoun to be used.

The people at fault for this shambles are the school for over reaching with that directive which should never have been issued. He has to take a little bit of blame as he probably should have just fought the suspension then in the usual manner through workplace resolutiom, but i do have sympathy for him

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By *ilthyNightsCouple over a year ago

East / North, Cork

He is in jail for refusing to comply with a legal court order to leave the school premises and follow the schools disciplinary process. He had a stand up public row with the principal. He's trying to make this something that it isn't in order to be all holy. He thinks his rights are more important than the family who are supporting their child through transition. The guy is a total twat

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By *3nsesMan over a year ago

Dublin

"What’s your thoughts on it ? Jailed for refusing to call someone “they” I get the child is a boy but identifies as a girl, but they can’t keep him in jail over something like this ?

Not anti trans btw

Hes jailed for breaking a court order.

The court order was given because he was suspended by the school

The school suspended him because he refused to abide a directive they issue re the pronoun to be used.

The school suspended him because he harassed the school principal.

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

"What’s your thoughts on it ? Jailed for refusing to call someone “they” I get the child is a boy but identifies as a girl, but they can’t keep him in jail over something like this ?

Not anti trans btw

Hes jailed for breaking a court order.

The court order was given because he was suspended by the school

The school suspended him because he refused to abide a directive they issue re the pronoun to be used.

The school suspended him because he harassed the school principal. "

Well thats different to how it was explained on today fm. It was explained there that whilst yes there was an argument with the principal, the reason for suspension was he wouldnt use a prescribed pronoun. Which if was true, would be a ridiculous over reach from the school.

However if it was because of harassment then thats a different matter

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He is in jail for refusing to comply with a legal court order to leave the school premises and follow the schools disciplinary process. He had a stand up public row with the principal. He's trying to make this something that it isn't in order to be all holy. He thinks his rights are more important than the family who are supporting their child through transition. The guy is a total twat"

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By *ofusplusCouple over a year ago

Limerick

He's a damaged soul, you can probably blame his parents for whatever beliefs they drilled into him.

Possibly has identity issues himself and this is too close to the bone for him to deal with, I dunno.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Look at his twitter page , he and his brothers have history plying the religious angle.

The “they” suspension if true is ludicrous though

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By *ilthyNightsCouple over a year ago

East / North, Cork

To be fair the media coverage has been shocking and has pitched this as a liberal state vs religious freedom legal case, which it really isn't.... but never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

"To be fair the media coverage has been shocking and has pitched this as a liberal state vs religious freedom legal case, which it really isn't.... but never let the truth get in the way of a good story."

Oh they're absolutely salivating of course, the scum of the earth that they are

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By *og-ManMan over a year ago

somewhere

He doesn't teach the child,in fact he has no dealings with the child so anything the school said didnt effect him.His family are cunts and needed to let the American fundamentalists know that they're fighting on behalf of an imaginary God so send money to help.

How anyone employs any of that family is beyond me

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By *haggy_bearMan over a year ago

Sligo

Not only would he not use the students preferred pronoun, he also objected to other people using it and continuously disrupted school functions by shouting and screaming about it. That was why he was suspended

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By *og-ManMan over a year ago

somewhere

"Look at his twitter page , he and his brothers have history plying the religious angle.

The “they” suspension if true is ludicrous though"

Its not true ....

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

"He doesn't teach the child,in fact he has no dealings with the child so anything the school said didnt effect him.His family are cunts and needed to let the American fundamentalists know that they're fighting on behalf of an imaginary God so send money to help.

How anyone employs any of that family is beyond me

You do realise someone could just as easily apply that same 4 letter word to you based on your demonisation the man and his family in this very forum, dont you

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By *og-ManMan over a year ago

somewhere

How anyone employs any of that family is beyond me

You do realise someone could just as easily apply that same 4 letter word to you based on your demonisation the man and his family in this very forum, dont you"

And they'd still be cunts

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What’s your thoughts on it ? Jailed for refusing to call someone “they” I get the child is a boy but identifies as a girl, but they can’t keep him in jail over something like this ?

Not anti trans btw

Hes jailed for breaking a court order.

The court order was given because he was suspended by the school

The school suspended him because he refused to abide a directive they issue re the pronoun to be used.

The school suspended him because he harassed the school principal.

However if it was because of harassment then thats a different matter"

I'm unsure how supporting a child through transition is an over-reach on the school's part?

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By *haggy_bearMan over a year ago

Sligo

"You do realise someone could just as easily apply that same 4 letter word to you based on your demonisation the man and his family in this very forum, dont you"

Someone could, but that someone would probably be a cunt too

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

"What’s your thoughts on it ? Jailed for refusing to call someone “they” I get the child is a boy but identifies as a girl, but they can’t keep him in jail over something like this ?

Not anti trans btw

Hes jailed for breaking a court order.

The court order was given because he was suspended by the school

The school suspended him because he refused to abide a directive they issue re the pronoun to be used.

The school suspended him because he harassed the school principal.

However if it was because of harassment then thats a different matter

I'm unsure how supporting a child through transition is an over-reach on the school's part?"

Support is absolutely fine. Prescribing language is certainly not.

However, as with all things its most likely not as straight forward as that. I dont believe any organisation would try to enforce pronoun usage on anyone as they would be rightly destroyed for doing so. They're are many aspects to this debacle

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By *og-ManMan over a year ago

somewhere

I was in Castlebar recently and walked past the Burke family shop

I showed the stuff for sale to the fabber I was with..unbelievable rubbish

Irelands version of The Westboro Baptist Church....

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By *og-ManMan over a year ago

somewhere

Actually wouldn't normally use the c word but these people make me feel very angry and I actually hate them .....

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By *oxic1998Woman over a year ago

Belfast

I bet he expects the students to call him Mr Burke so he should show the child the same respect.....and it is as simple as that. For him to show no empathy as a teacher is unbelievable.

From what I've read he kept turning up to teach his lessons when the school suspended him and asked him to stay away....they got a court order but still turned up. He broke the court order then he should pay the consequences. Nothing to do with the child's situation.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What’s your thoughts on it ? Jailed for refusing to call someone “they” I get the child is a boy but identifies as a girl, but they can’t keep him in jail over something like this ?

Not anti trans btw

Hes jailed for breaking a court order.

The court order was given because he was suspended by the school

The school suspended him because he refused to abide a directive they issue re the pronoun to be used.

The school suspended him because he harassed the school principal.

However if it was because of harassment then thats a different matter

I'm unsure how supporting a child through transition is an over-reach on the school's part?

Support is absolutely fine. Prescribing language is certainly not.

Pronoun usage is an incredibly important part of social transitioning. Thankfully most schools will support the transitioning pupil and ensure staff do not deliberately or maliciously misgender.

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

"What’s your thoughts on it ? Jailed for refusing to call someone “they” I get the child is a boy but identifies as a girl, but they can’t keep him in jail over something like this ?

Not anti trans btw

Hes jailed for breaking a court order.

The court order was given because he was suspended by the school

The school suspended him because he refused to abide a directive they issue re the pronoun to be used.

The school suspended him because he harassed the school principal.

However if it was because of harassment then thats a different matter

I'm unsure how supporting a child through transition is an over-reach on the school's part?

Support is absolutely fine. Prescribing language is certainly not.

Pronoun usage is an incredibly important part of social transitioning. Thankfully most schools will support the transitioning pupil and ensure staff do not deliberately or maliciously misgender."

Ok but they cant legally enforce that upon anyone. Yes 99.99999% of people will do it out of manners and respect but instructing someone to do it will only inevitable piss some off. It would piss me off. Whereas if i was asked to do it then i would oblige the person.

However even asking someone with a deeply held religious belief may not be an option. So that situation then has to be managed. How you do that, fuck knows

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By *og-ManMan over a year ago

somewhere

The most important thing in this is that a child who had the courage to talk to their parents and who got backed by them in the school is respected and not blamed in any way

I can see protesters at this school soon

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By *oxic1998Woman over a year ago

Belfast

"What’s your thoughts on it ? Jailed for refusing to call someone “they” I get the child is a boy but identifies as a girl, but they can’t keep him in jail over something like this ?

Not anti trans btw

Hes jailed for breaking a court order.

The court order was given because he was suspended by the school

The school suspended him because he refused to abide a directive they issue re the pronoun to be used.

The school suspended him because he harassed the school principal.

However if it was because of harassment then thats a different matter

I'm unsure how supporting a child through transition is an over-reach on the school's part?

Support is absolutely fine. Prescribing language is certainly not.

Pronoun usage is an incredibly important part of social transitioning. Thankfully most schools will support the transitioning pupil and ensure staff do not deliberately or maliciously misgender.

However even asking someone with a deeply held religious belief may not be an option. So that situation then has to be managed. How you do that, fuck knows"

We are a diverse society and teachers should not discriminate because of their religious beliefs. Religion should not discriminate any child because of their gender.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

First as stated elsewhere he wasn't jailed for using the correct pronouns for the child involved. Second his family are far right religionous zealots who will do anything for attention. You only have to Google them to see what they have done just this year alone. The media has an awful lot to answer for regarding this story using the pronoun issue being the reason he's been jailed. Reuters have even fact checked this to be false. Also like the rest of their crowd the grift is strong. A go fund me was set up within an hour of him being jailed. Says it all really.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I was in Castlebar recently and walked past the Burke family shop

I showed the stuff for sale to the fabber I was with..unbelievable rubbish

Irelands version of The Westboro Baptist Church....

A budget version

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Jailed for contempt of court - lets call it what it is.

"What’s your thoughts on it ? Jailed for refusing to call someone “they” I get the child is a boy but identifies as a girl, but they can’t keep him in jail over something like this ?

Not anti trans btw "

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By *og-ManMan over a year ago

somewhere

Ive been following a mother on twitter who's child is in his class for German

She says they're not happy with the way he teaches it

I don't understand how he got Garda clearance

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By *ofusplusCouple over a year ago

Limerick

"Jailed for refusing to call someone “they” I get the child is a boy but identifies as a girl, but they can’t keep him in jail over something like this ?

Not anti trans btw "

I suggest you get your facts straight before starting threads if you want to get a proper debate going.

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

"First as stated elsewhere he wasn't jailed for using the correct pronouns for the child involved. Second his family are far right religionous zealots who will do anything for attention. You only have to Google them to see what they have done just this year alone. The media has an awful lot to answer for regarding this story using the pronoun issue being the reason he's been jailed. Reuters have even fact checked this to be false. Also like the rest of their crowd the grift is strong. A go fund me was set up within an hour of him being jailed. Says it all really. "

BLM activists arrested after rioting had gofundme accounts set up left right and centre back in 2020...i presume you attach the same scepticism to them also?

The crux of the issue here is the reason for the suspension. Was the suspension right or not? If it was because he refused to abide by a directive to use a specific pronoun then it was wrong. If it was however because he was harassing people and being a dick then of course it was right

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By *ofusplusCouple over a year ago

Limerick

"Ive been following a mother on twitter who's child is in his class for German

She says they're not happy with the way he teaches it

I don't understand how he got Garda clearance

All they check for, is that there is no criminal conviction. Whoever hired him didn't do their recruiting very well.

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Ive been following a mother on twitter who's child is in his class for German

She says they're not happy with the way he teaches it

I don't understand how he got Garda clearance

What has garda clearance got to do with some mother being unhappy with his german teaching?

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By *ay_Gatsby_D4Man over a year ago

City Centre, Dublin

BLM activists arrested after rioting had gofundme accounts set up left right and centre back in 2020...i presume you attach the same scepticism to them also?

You prob need to spend less time on social media

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By *og-ManMan over a year ago

somewhere

"Ive been following a mother on twitter who's child is in his class for German

She says they're not happy with the way he teaches it

I don't understand how he got Garda clearance

What has garda clearance got to do with some mother being unhappy with his german teaching? "

Yeah skipped a sentence there alright

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

BLM activists arrested after rioting had gofundme accounts set up left right and centre back in 2020...i presume you attach the same scepticism to them also?

You prob need to spend less time on social media"

Im not on any forms of social media

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By *orders CoupleCouple over a year ago

Kelso

Whatever the truth of the story, the main issue appears to be that using a pronoun other than the one that the recipient wants you to use is wrong in every situation. I'm sure most of us would use the pronoun most appropriate to how the person presents themselves.

The frightening thing is that legislation could make it a punishable offence to even make a mistake!

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By *ay_Gatsby_D4Man over a year ago

City Centre, Dublin

BLM activists arrested after rioting had gofundme accounts set up left right and centre back in 2020...i presume you attach the same scepticism to them also?

You prob need to spend less time on social media

Im not on any forms of social media"

Eh I’m not too sure about that, you’re spouting out the a-z of culturewar chat verbatim

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

BLM activists arrested after rioting had gofundme accounts set up left right and centre back in 2020...i presume you attach the same scepticism to them also?

If you repeatly harrassed your manager at work would you not be suspended? Also to answer your question about the BLM movement getting gofundmes they were their legal defences. Enoch in this case doesn't need funds for his legal defense as his sister is a solicitor who recently lost a WRC hearing to do with her dismissal from her last firm. Now if you were wondering why I bought up the GoFundMe, that's simple. The far right in Ireland will set up a GoFundMe for a stubbed toe and the rest of them will put whatever money they have into it like the good sheep they are. My favourite example is Tracey o Mahoney who raised almost 50,000 for a case against the covid restrictions that hasn't even had application to be heard made nearly two years after the account was closed. It's all about the grift with this sort.

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

BLM activists arrested after rioting had gofundme accounts set up left right and centre back in 2020...i presume you attach the same scepticism to them also?

You prob need to spend less time on social media

Im not on any forms of social media

Eh I’m not too sure about that, you’re spouting out the a-z of culturewar chat verbatim

Im giving my opinions. My opinions arent driven by what other people may or may not say. Maybe yours are, but mine aren't

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By *ay_Gatsby_D4Man over a year ago

City Centre, Dublin

BLM activists arrested after rioting had gofundme accounts set up left right and centre back in 2020...i presume you attach the same scepticism to them also?

You prob need to spend less time on social media

Im not on any forms of social media

Eh I’m not too sure about that, you’re spouting out the a-z of culturewar chat verbatim

Im giving my opinions. My opinions arent driven by what other people may or may not say. Maybe yours are, but mine aren't "

Hmm righto

So why are you so vexxed about a man going to jail for contempt of court?

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

BLM activists arrested after rioting had gofundme accounts set up left right and centre back in 2020...i presume you attach the same scepticism to them also?

And BLM isnt the biggest grift going? I think you need to read up on where all that money is going!

I think its fair to say, gifting doesnt discriminate between political persuasion

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

BLM activists arrested after rioting had gofundme accounts set up left right and centre back in 2020...i presume you attach the same scepticism to them also?

You prob need to spend less time on social media

Im not on any forms of social media

Eh I’m not too sure about that, you’re spouting out the a-z of culturewar chat verbatim

Im giving my opinions. My opinions arent driven by what other people may or may not say. Maybe yours are, but mine aren't

Hmm righto

So why are you so vexxed about a man going to jail for contempt of court?"

Who says im vexed? Were having a discussion. If i agreed with you would you still deem me to be vexed? Or is it only because i dont agree with you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

BLM activists arrested after rioting had gofundme accounts set up left right and centre back in 2020...i presume you attach the same scepticism to them also?

And BLM isnt the biggest grift going? I think you need to read up on where all that money is going!

I think its fair to say, gifting doesnt discriminate between political persuasion"

Are you talking about the movement or the organization? They do an awful more good then the far right do and are an awful more tolerant then them to boot.

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By *ay_Gatsby_D4Man over a year ago

City Centre, Dublin

BLM activists arrested after rioting had gofundme accounts set up left right and centre back in 2020...i presume you attach the same scepticism to them also?

You prob need to spend less time on social media

Im not on any forms of social media

Eh I’m not too sure about that, you’re spouting out the a-z of culturewar chat verbatim

Im giving my opinions. My opinions arent driven by what other people may or may not say. Maybe yours are, but mine aren't

Hmm righto

So why are you so vexxed about a man going to jail for contempt of court?

Who says im vexed? Were having a discussion. If i agreed with you would you still deem me to be vexed? Or is it only because i dont agree with you"

I haven’t actually aired an opinion on this yet so you don’t know if we disagree

You just seem a bit worked up is all and champing at the bit to respond

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

BLM activists arrested after rioting had gofundme accounts set up left right and centre back in 2020...i presume you attach the same scepticism to them also?

And BLM isnt the biggest grift going? I think you need to read up on where all that money is going!

I think its fair to say, gifting doesnt discriminate between political persuasion

Are you talking about the movement or the organization? They do an awful more good then the far right do and are an awful more tolerant then them to boot. "

Rioting and destroying property is tolerant?

I think its fair to say, the far left is infinitely more intolerant than the right. You only have to look at this thread as a microcosm.

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By *ananaman41Man over a year ago

Dublin

BLM activists arrested after rioting had gofundme accounts set up left right and centre back in 2020...i presume you attach the same scepticism to them also?

You prob need to spend less time on social media

Im not on any forms of social media

Eh I’m not too sure about that, you’re spouting out the a-z of culturewar chat verbatim

Im giving my opinions. My opinions arent driven by what other people may or may not say. Maybe yours are, but mine aren't

Hmm righto

So why are you so vexxed about a man going to jail for contempt of court?

Who says im vexed? Were having a discussion. If i agreed with you would you still deem me to be vexed? Or is it only because i dont agree with you

I haven’t actually aired an opinion on this yet so you don’t know if we disagree

You just seem a bit worked up is all and champing at the bit to respond"

Im at home relaxing and enjoying the discussion. Should i wait a certain period of time before contributing between posts? How long would please you?

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By *ay_Gatsby_D4Man over a year ago

City Centre, Dublin

BLM activists arrested after rioting had gofundme accounts set up left right and centre back in 2020...i presume you attach the same scepticism to them also?

You prob need to spend less time on social media

Im not on any forms of social media

Eh I’m not too sure about that, you’re spouting out the a-z of culturewar chat verbatim

Im giving my opinions. My opinions arent driven by what other people may or may not say. Maybe yours are, but mine aren't

Hmm righto

So why are you so vexxed about a man going to jail for contempt of court?

Who says im vexed? Were having a discussion. If i agreed with you would you still deem me to be vexed? Or is it only because i dont agree with you

I haven’t actually aired an opinion on this yet so you don’t know if we disagree

You just seem a bit worked up is all and champing at the bit to respond

Im at home relaxing and enjoying the discussion. Should i wait a certain period of time before contributing between posts? How long would please you? "

4 mins between contributions please, there’s a good lad

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By *og-ManMan over a year ago

somewhere

BLM activists arrested after rioting had gofundme accounts set up left right and centre back in 2020...i presume you attach the same scepticism to them also?

Its actually €140,000.00 she raised ...she blocks anyone that questions her and her ex soldier boyfriend about it on Twitter

The Burkes are obviously upset that the rest of the far right grifters in Ireland are making a few euro and need to get out the begging bowl

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

BLM activists arrested after rioting had gofundme accounts set up left right and centre back in 2020...i presume you attach the same scepticism to them also?

And BLM isnt the biggest grift going? I think you need to read up on where all that money is going!

I think its fair to say, gifting doesnt discriminate between political persuasion

Are you talking about the movement or the organization? They do an awful more good then the far right do and are an awful more tolerant then them to boot.

Rioting and destroying property is tolerant?

I think its fair to say, the far left is infinitely more intolerant than the right. You only have to look at this thread as a microcosm."

Lol the left are intolerant? True to a degree but only intolerant of racists, homophobes and transphobes too with a good smattering of being intolerant of Nazis too. As for the riot comment, 93% of the rallies ended peacefully. The myth of them all being violent was played up by the likes of fox news.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

BLM activists arrested after rioting had gofundme accounts set up left right and centre back in 2020...i presume you attach the same scepticism to them also?

Its actually €140,000.00 she raised ...she blocks anyone that questions her and her ex soldier boyfriend about it on Twitter

The Burkes are obviously upset that the rest of the far right grifters in Ireland are making a few euro and need to get out the begging bowl "

Oops I forgot the one. As for the soldier (little Micky) he's a piece of work. Never learned his lesson after the visit from the Gardai that time but has a few more coming from what I've heard. Proud to be blocked by her

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh aland, what have you started this time?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Did I read somewhere, that he thought the debating team

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple over a year ago

The West

It's important to keep to the facts on this. Especially when youre dealing with right-wing evangelicals, who for Christians are pretty loose with the truth.

His injunction has nothing to do with his refusal to use pronouns. The school never forced him to.

1. He interrupted a school event and in front of the whole school and parents, he singled out and humiliated one child.

2. When approached by the principal to stop, he refused and got verbally abusive and aggressive with the principal.

3.He got suspended, with pay, by the board of management for obvious reasons.

4. He refused to stop entering the school. Where other employees and students were not comfortable/safe with his actions.

5. An injunction was taken out against him.

6. He refused to abide by the law, in the belief that his beliefs are above the law.

7. He got arrested for breaking the law, for being in contempt of court.

8. He refused to purge the contempt and was rightly jailed.

Fuck all to do with pronouns, a family who crave attention, seeking it out by whatever means possible!

See also NUIG and Arthur Cox for recent examples!

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By *ay_Gatsby_D4Man over a year ago

City Centre, Dublin

Does anyone know which part of the bible (I presume Old Testament) strictly prohibits certain pronouns?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's important to keep to the facts on this. Especially when youre dealing with right-wing evangelicals, who for Christians are pretty loose with the truth.

His injunction has nothing to do with his refusal to use pronouns. The school never forced him to.

1. He interrupted a school event and in front of the whole school and parents, he singled out and humiliated one child.

2. When approached by the principal to stop, he refused and got verbally abusive and aggressive with the principal.

3.He got suspended, with pay, by the board of management for obvious reasons.

4. He refused to stop entering the school. Where other employees and students were not comfortable/safe with his actions.

5. An injunction was taken out against him.

6. He refused to abide by the law, in the belief that his beliefs are above the law.

7. He got arrested for breaking the law, for being in contempt of court.

8. He refused to purge the contempt and was rightly jailed.

Fuck all to do with pronouns, a family who crave attention, seeking it out by whatever means possible!

See also NUIG and Arthur Cox for recent examples!"

Correct - he was jailed for breaching the injuction...

he is so righteously passionate about his own beliefs that he cant tolerate the beliefs of others... abhorent fundamentalism

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Some amount of tripe being written here, from the news report I read which is supposedly from a reputable source there was no stand up argument, the man simply questioned the use of they as opposed to he or she, whether we like it or not our culture has been founded upon Christian values, should we just abandon our religious values which have stood to us for centuries just because a boy wants to call himself a girl or vice versa, the man is a hero for standing up for his rights and for his beliefs

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By *ay_Gatsby_D4Man over a year ago

City Centre, Dublin

"Some amount of tripe being written here, from the news report I read which is supposedly from a reputable source there was no stand up argument, the man simply questioned the use of they as opposed to he or she, whether we like it or not our culture has been founded upon Christian values, should we just abandon our religious values which have stood to us for centuries just because a boy wants to call himself a girl or vice versa, the man is a hero for standing up for his rights and for his beliefs

I’d probably abandon my religious values because of dumping dead babies in septic tanks, selling babies to yanks, Magdalene laundries, child abuse etc

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple over a year ago

The West

A hero, jaysus you've set the bar for your idols pretty low

He's a scumbag, using a school and children to create a stunt to gather attention for himself.

Everything with this family has to be aired in the public! The grifting for cash gas already started.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

our religious values stood to us for centuries

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wherever you're getting your news they sound like their full of shite. As for hero don't make me laugh will you. The man and his family are nothing but far right scum.

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple over a year ago

The West

our religious values stood to us for centuries

Stood to us like, they didn't abuse and humiliate us at all!

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By *ohng69Man over a year ago

athenry

"It's important to keep to the facts on this. Especially when youre dealing with right-wing evangelicals, who for Christians are pretty loose with the truth.

His injunction has nothing to do with his refusal to use pronouns. The school never forced him to.

1. He interrupted a school event and in front of the whole school and parents, he singled out and humiliated one child.

2. When approached by the principal to stop, he refused and got verbally abusive and aggressive with the principal.

3.He got suspended, with pay, by the board of management for obvious reasons.

4. He refused to stop entering the school. Where other employees and students were not comfortable/safe with his actions.

5. An injunction was taken out against him.

6. He refused to abide by the law, in the belief that his beliefs are above the law.

7. He got arrested for breaking the law, for being in contempt of court.

8. He refused to purge the contempt and was rightly jailed.

Fuck all to do with pronouns, a family who crave attention, seeking it out by whatever means possible!

See also NUIG and Arthur Cox for recent examples!"

At last a proper synopsis of what really happened. Also it's up to himself when he leaves prison, all he has to do is purge his contempt.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I thought Christian values espoused respect, love, acceptance, kindness, generosity, peace, understanding...not hate and intransigence.

Or perhaps you're just another shit stirrer who thrives on the attention of being faux controversial

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By *ergalMan over a year ago

East Cork

It was contempt of court and harassment of the school principle ..... you get your facts from Trumps "truth social" platform

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By *ergalMan over a year ago

East Cork

"It's important to keep to the facts on this. Especially when youre dealing with right-wing evangelicals, who for Christians are pretty loose with the truth.

His injunction has nothing to do with his refusal to use pronouns. The school never forced him to.

1. He interrupted a school event and in front of the whole school and parents, he singled out and humiliated one child.

2. When approached by the principal to stop, he refused and got verbally abusive and aggressive with the principal.

3.He got suspended, with pay, by the board of management for obvious reasons.

4. He refused to stop entering the school. Where other employees and students were not comfortable/safe with his actions.

5. An injunction was taken out against him.

6. He refused to abide by the law, in the belief that his beliefs are above the law.

7. He got arrested for breaking the law, for being in contempt of court.

8. He refused to purge the contempt and was rightly jailed.

Fuck all to do with pronouns, a family who crave attention, seeking it out by whatever means possible!

See also NUIG and Arthur Cox for recent examples!"

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By *ord Willy McFuck-BucketMan over a year ago

newcastle

Also, god doesn't exist.

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By *ensualandslow321Man over a year ago

Tullamore

"It's important to keep to the facts on this. Especially when youre dealing with right-wing evangelicals, who for Christians are pretty loose with the truth.

His injunction has nothing to do with his refusal to use pronouns. The school never forced him to.

1. He interrupted a school event and in front of the whole school and parents, he singled out and humiliated one child.

2. When approached by the principal to stop, he refused and got verbally abusive and aggressive with the principal.

3.He got suspended, with pay, by the board of management for obvious reasons.

4. He refused to stop entering the school. Where other employees and students were not comfortable/safe with his actions.

5. An injunction was taken out against him.

6. He refused to abide by the law, in the belief that his beliefs are above the law.

7. He got arrested for breaking the law, for being in contempt of court.

8. He refused to purge the contempt and was rightly jailed.

Fuck all to do with pronouns, a family who crave attention, seeking it out by whatever means possible!

See also NUIG and Arthur Cox for recent examples!"

Well summarised

just shows what can happen when you combine a bad hire with fundamental Christianity

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think this story is a perfect encapsulation of the trans "debate", this lad Burke has landed himself in this mess over the preferred pronouns of a student he doesn't even interact with, like the vast majority of anti-trans people who get riled up over 0.1% of the population who they will probably never have to speak to. The idea that respecting someone's wishes goes against his Christian values is a fucking joke.

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By *og-ManMan over a year ago

somewhere

Id imagine the next argument he'll go out of his way to start is when a same sex couple bring their child to a parent teacher meeting

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By *etergemmaCouple over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"I think this story is a perfect encapsulation of the trans "debate", this lad Burke has landed himself in this mess over the preferred pronouns of a student he doesn't even interact with, like the vast majority of anti-trans people who get riled up over 0.1% of the population who they will probably never have to speak to. The idea that respecting someone's wishes goes against his Christian values is a fucking joke."

You are not anti trans if you dont believe people should be referred to as "they"

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By *ilk_manMan over a year ago

dublin

Apt username Mr McShite.

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By *etergemmaCouple over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"Id imagine the next argument he'll go out of his way to start is when a same sex couple bring their child to a parent teacher meeting "

The horror

There's same swx couples i know would be far better parents than some so called straight couples..

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By *ubal1Man over a year ago

Newry Down

When I make these comments about the Enoch Burke case I am speaking from first hand experience because I was at the hearing in Court 1 today in the Four Courts building; and I also have experience of legal procedure.

The case that was heard today was solely about Enoch Burke's refusal to comply with the injunction granted to the school.

But he used his role as a litigant in person (LIP), representing himself, to use the opportunity to make a speech about his beliefs, his conscience and God's will; it was not the appropriate forum.

Crucially, the school's board of management want him barred from their premises for failing to comply with their orders.

What will probably happen now is that his contract will be terminated for gross misconduct, and he will no longer have right to be at the school.

At present he is only suspended from teaching.

I watched him in court and he has very strong beliefs about God, the Bible, the they word, etc. Some would call him a fanatic.

A member of the media whom I spoke to outside, just before Enoch Burke was taken back to Mountjoy, in chains and handcuffs, said he will be welcomed onto the American Christian speaking circuit and make a fortune, more than enough to pay the legal costs of the school, that were awarded against him.

To repeat, I travelled to the hearing today and listened carefully to what was said.

The transgender they issue will be dealt with at the school's own hearings, internally.

Courtroom procedure is exceptionally compartmentalised and deals with discrete issues.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You are not anti trans if you dont believe people should be referred to as "they"

It wasn't intended as a direct comparison. Merely pointing out the disparity in attention the topic gets in comparison with the percentage of people affected by it.

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By *oxic1998Woman over a year ago

Belfast

And what about the childs rights...do they not account for anything

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hes a rock ape

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By *ilthyNightsCouple over a year ago

East / North, Cork

To answer your question... yes we SHOULD abandon our Christian roots. When you're looking at men like him as a hero there is something seriously wrong. This man is a fundamentalist cunt.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Can someone remind me how our traditional Christian roots viewed shoving a plug up another man's wife's arse......

Just checking for a devout friend

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can someone remind me how our traditional Christian roots viewed shoving a plug up another man's wife's arse......

Just checking for a devout friend"

It's all good if you shout "Praise the Lord" while doing it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That whole Burke family are known for this kinda stuff in the courts.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That whole Burke family are known for this kinda stuff in the courts. "

Not all of them to be fair. There's 10 children and the father is said to be a quiet, unassuming type.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That whole Burke family are known for this kinda stuff in the courts.

Not all of them to be fair. There's 10 children and the father is said to be a quiet, unassuming type. "

That I didn’t know

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By *aucyladMan over a year ago

Dublin

Turning into a religion thread yet again,where people want to push their own beliefs onto others,believe or not,don't force your opinion onto others.

As for this guy,he's in prison because he couldn't stick to the injunction that was in place. As for his insistence on refusing to refer to a student as they rather than he or she,that's a separate issue. The guy sounds difficult and is happy to use the spotlight to spread his own beliefs, thankfully many people who are or are not Catholic do not share his opinion. Society has moved on but its inevitable that some will be left behind. Hopefully the child involved in this doesn't receive any stigma from within the school and pupils after thus.

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple over a year ago

The West

"That whole Burke family are known for this kinda stuff in the courts.

Not all of them to be fair. There's 10 children and the father is said to be a quiet, unassuming type. "

It's primarily the mother, who homed schooled them, her three sons and three daughters.

The other four are never heard from!

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By *eijaWoman over a year ago

City Centre

Google the family....

They, especially their Mother will do anything to get their voices heard and project their opinions on others.

B x

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By *lay2018Couple over a year ago

westmeath & roscommon.

I wonder what the burkes would think of all us who have joined fab. But does God not say share

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By *ubal1Man over a year ago

Newry Down

The Burke family members are collectively attaching a massive red flag to each member; they are assertive but they do tend to grab the wrong end of the stick

As employees I suspect they would be nightmares: dogmatic, individualistic, belligerent, which can be beneficial traits as entrepreneurs, pioneers, advocates, etc, but not where employers want a settled, calm environment.

The Burke children should stay away from being employees and as their reputation spreads, they will find it harder to gain employment.

Enoch Burke, when I watched him at first hand is a strong speaker, very assertive, but too dogmatic and forceful in that he tries to cow the opposition into submission

In another court case the judge had to switch off the microphone when a Burke female member was ranting against her former employer an accountancy business.

Their style of advocacy is outdated: bludgeoning the opposition until they relent no longer succeeds.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Burke family members are collectively attaching a massive red flag to each member; they are assertive but they do tend to grab the wrong end of the stick

The Burke children should stay away from being employees and as their reputation spreads, they will find it harder to gain employment.

Enoch Burke, when I watched him at first hand is a strong speaker, very assertive, but too dogmatic and forceful in that he tries to cow the opposition into submission

In another court case the judge had to switch off the microphone when a Burke female member was ranting against her former employer an accountancy business.

Their style of advocacy is outdated: bludgeoning the opposition until they relent no longer succeeds."

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By *anddswingCouple over a year ago

South Dublin

"What’s your thoughts on it ? Jailed for refusing to call someone “they” I get the child is a boy but identifies as a girl, but they can’t keep him in jail over something like this ?

Not anti trans btw "

A person of conviction, this family is controversial no doubt. However, you have to admire that he has something innate within him to protest and stick with his viewpoint, one in which he has a fundamental right to disagree with (currently, free thought is slowly disappearing) "they" pronouns or for whatever spiritual reasons, so much so that he is willing to go to jail over it. Not many here would have such

strong conviction, truthfully, right?

I personally would not be OK with calling someone a "they" especially a child going through a journey of drug-fueled gender change. Just because we have the ability and technology to "kind of" while on these drugs give the appearance of different sex does not mean we should, I disagree with anyone psychologically immature and certainly under the age of 21 being given this treatment. Has anyone got the stats on the longevity of gender reassignment or its success, or for that matter how many revert back to their natural sex and off the drugs to allow the semblance of a different gender?

Anyhow, his conviction is to be admired. I don't care if anyone identifies as anything, by the way, I just don't need to agree with calling you something I don't want to, for any reason.

It still amazes me that we speak so strongly on diversification and equality, but only on the grounds of what a minority say we can. God help anyone who disagrees, cults have had less restrictions

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By *ofusplusCouple over a year ago

Limerick

"The Burke family members are collectively attaching a massive red flag to each member; they are assertive but they do tend to grab the wrong end of the stick

The Burke children should stay away from being employees and as their reputation spreads, they will find it harder to gain employment.

Enoch Burke, when I watched him at first hand is a strong speaker, very assertive, but too dogmatic and forceful in that he tries to cow the opposition into submission

In another court case the judge had to switch off the microphone when a Burke female member was ranting against her former employer an accountancy business.

Their style of advocacy is outdated: bludgeoning the opposition until they relent no longer succeeds."

Yep

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What’s your thoughts on it ? Jailed for refusing to call someone “they” I get the child is a boy but identifies as a girl, but they can’t keep him in jail over something like this ?

Not anti trans btw

strong conviction, truthfully, right?

Anyhow, his conviction is to be admired. I don't care if anyone identifies as anything, by the way, I just don't need to agree with calling you something I don't want to, for any reason.

It still amazes me that we speak so strongly on diversification and equality, but only on the grounds of what a minority say we can. God help anyone who disagrees, cults have had less restrictions

He is free to think what he wants.

He isn't free to disregard his employers policies.

Perhaps those policies can be challenged in court. Again he is free to do so.

Is is not free to disregard his employers disciplinary procedures, perhaps those procedures can be challenged in court, again he is free to do so.

He is not free to continue to ignore a court ordered injunction etc....

You see where I'm going with this.

He can stand on the street and express his views as much as he would like

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By *ilthyNightsCouple over a year ago

East / North, Cork

This family campaigned (on religious grounds) and lost on marriage equality.

They campaigned (on religious grounds) and lost on abortion.

They campaigned (on religious grounds) and lost on divorce changes.

They will lose here too.

They are bigoted dinosaurs.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This family campaigned (on religious grounds) and lost on marriage equality.

They campaigned (on religious grounds) and lost on abortion.

They campaigned (on religious grounds) and lost on divorce changes.

They will lose here too.

They are bigoted dinosaurs. "

The hilarious part is that they have no issue with lying to further their "Christian" agenda

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A person of conviction, this family is controversial no doubt. However, you have to admire that he has something innate within him to protest and stick with his viewpoint, one in which he has a fundamental right to disagree with (currently, free thought is slowly disappearing) "they" pronouns or for whatever spiritual reasons, so much so that he is willing to go to jail over it. Not many here would have such

strong conviction, truthfully, right?

Anyhow, his conviction is to be admired. I don't care if anyone identifies as anything, by the way, I just don't need to agree with calling you something I don't want to, for any reason.

It still amazes me that we speak so strongly on diversification and equality, but only on the grounds of what a minority say we can. God help anyone who disagrees, cults have had less restrictions

I don't get the "they" thing, we call people "they" all the time. If a colleague says their parent is stick but doesn't specify, you'll say "I hope they're ok" or if someone is talking about their partner and you don't want to assume. Even in the examples I unconsciously used "their". It happens all the time we use nominative plural to refer to individuals. If this student is asking for a specific pronoun you're the one putting restrictions on them by saying you won't when it has no impact on you either way what you call them but it makes a huge difference to them. We don't know the extent of the transition but regardless the use of "they" pronouns is unrelated to transition, I think you disagree or have qualms about hormonal therapy but still use the person's preferred pronouns, they're not mutually exclusive.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple over a year ago

East / North, Cork

You don't need to understand Jonny... you just need to be a considerate and kind human being who respects a family and child going through a challenging time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You don't need to understand Jonny... you just need to be a considerate and kind human being who respects a family and child going through a challenging time."

100%, what I meant was that I don't understand people who are against using the "they" pronoun.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"You don't need to understand Jonny... you just need to be a considerate and kind human being who respects a family and child going through a challenging time.

100%, what I meant was that I don't understand people who are against using the "they" pronoun."

Sorry Jonny I mis-read your post first time around

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple over a year ago

The West

"What’s your thoughts on it ? Jailed for refusing to call someone “they” I get the child is a boy but identifies as a girl, but they can’t keep him in jail over something like this ?

Not anti trans btw

strong conviction, truthfully, right?

Anyhow, his conviction is to be admired. I don't care if anyone identifies as anything, by the way, I just don't need to agree with calling you something I don't want to, for any reason.

It still amazes me that we speak so strongly on diversification and equality, but only on the grounds of what a minority say we can. God help anyone who disagrees, cults have had less restrictions

Are you viewing this from the spin Burke has put out?

He has no right to humiliate a child in front of the school.

He has no right to be aggressive with the principal because of his beliefs.

He has no right to be on private property when there was a court injunction barring him.

That's why he is in jail. Full stop.

The school didnt force him to do anything. Don't get distracted with the talk of pronouns or gender transitioning etc. He's no bastion of free speech, he's a religious fundamentalist that believeshe is above the law.

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By *anddswingCouple over a year ago

South Dublin

strong conviction, truthfully, right?

Anyhow, his conviction is to be admired. I don't care if anyone identifies as anything, by the way, I just don't need to agree with calling you something I don't want to, for any reason.

It still amazes me that we speak so strongly on diversification and equality, but only on the grounds of what a minority say we can. God help anyone who disagrees, cults have had less restrictions

I'm glad that you live in my head. I have every right to not want to call someone "they" and no I don't call people "they" all the time, maybe you do, but that's not to assume anyone else does. I think the point is not just the "they" pronouns he no doubt would have a problem with any pronouns! If you want to be called Sean or Shauna that's fine but I'm not going to call you an "Iphone" just because it suits you today. It's ridiculous and from this Enoch's viewpoint is against what he wishes to do or believes. Again a minuscule minority getting so much attention is simply ludicrous. Again akin to a cult philosophy.

The point of the message was that Enoch Burke has conviction in his beliefs and that's to be commended. We can all agree he's in jail for disobeying a directive from the court to stay away from a place, however, the reason he is in jail and in disagreeing with that is because of his beliefs and the two are not exclusive in his eyes.

this is an important sentence "It still amazes me that we speak so strongly on diversification and equality, but only on the grounds of what a minority say we can. God help anyone who disagrees, cults have had less restrictions "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This family campaigned (on religious grounds) and lost on marriage equality.

They campaigned (on religious grounds) and lost on abortion.

They campaigned (on religious grounds) and lost on divorce changes.

They will lose here too.

They are bigoted dinosaurs. "

That's a very black and white way to look at it, they campaigned on all those issues yes to highlight and promote Christian values not to "win" anything as you put it, I'm sure they realise themselves they were not going to change public opinion, in essence they didn't "lose" anything by virtue of the fact that they took a stand to extoll the virtues of Christianity means they won, the point is to highlight and promote Christian values not to "win" anything

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By *anddswingCouple over a year ago

South Dublin

"What’s your thoughts on it ? Jailed for refusing to call someone “they” I get the child is a boy but identifies as a girl, but they can’t keep him in jail over something like this ?

Not anti trans btw

strong conviction, truthfully, right?

Anyhow, his conviction is to be admired. I don't care if anyone identifies as anything, by the way, I just don't need to agree with calling you something I don't want to, for any reason.

It still amazes me that we speak so strongly on diversification and equality, but only on the grounds of what a minority say we can. God help anyone who disagrees, cults have had less restrictions

Are you viewing this from the spin Burke has put out?

He has no right to humiliate a child in front of the school.

He has no right to be aggressive with the principal because of his beliefs.

He has no right to be on private property when there was a court injunction barring him.

That's why he is in jail. Full stop.

Some assumptions there and much subjectiveness. I wonder what would have changed in the world if we didn't protest against injustice or rule of law as it was at a point in time (our views change on this through time) because you would be seen to be against/above the law. It was illegal to be Gay 20 or so years ago, it was illegal to marry same-sex 10 years ago. So how did we get to the point we are at now with all this rule breaking in the past?

Not all change is good, and having conviction whether we agree with it or not is to be admired.

I won't call anyone "they" on purpose - should I be penalized for it?

Once again the absolute minority getting so much attention is just odd, isn't it? It's like cult behavior on a larger scale, we're all-inclusive and equal once you agree with what we tell you. Makes sense doesn't it.

Can we call people "it"? what if I decide that people not similar to me should be "Its" is this OK?

There are two biological sexes, we do have mutations or mistakes in Nature, they are self-correcting or are in species that have evolved to exist like this (very few) all fish I believe. No humans! the laws of Nature work and we have to live within the confines of them, we can use our intelligence to manipulate them to an extent, but nature always wins. You can say he's in jail for not doing x y or z, but if he agreed with calling someone "they" he'd not be, would he?

We all don't need to agree but it's wonderful that I am afforded the chance to debate it, will I always have that right? or will anyone?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It is very common for people to use "they" pronouns when referring to individuals who's gender they do not know or want to assume. I was not referring to "you" personally, sorry for the confusion.

Again, you are the one putting restrictions in place, I never said that you don't have the right, merely pointing out that to refuse to use someone's preferred pronouns would be inconsiderate and potentially hurtful. Saying "people can choose their preferred pronouns" is not restrictive.

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By *ubal1Man over a year ago

Newry Down

Enoch Burke has painted himself into a corner: how is he going to get out of Mount joy legitimately, whilst saving face.

This case is resonant of the Stephen Gough (Naked Rambler) case in GB, principally in Scotland.

Every time he left prison naked he was arrested and resentenced.

After almost a decade in Scottish prisons, naked, naturally, he relented and started wearing clothes in public.

His most notable naked protest was walking from John O Groats to Lands End

His second attempt failed.

How will this end for Enoch Burke? After being sacked his protest will be nugatory!

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By *ilthyNightsCouple over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"This family campaigned (on religious grounds) and lost on marriage equality.

They campaigned (on religious grounds) and lost on abortion.

They campaigned (on religious grounds) and lost on divorce changes.

They will lose here too.

They are bigoted dinosaurs.

The law IS black and white I'm afraid. All of those things were legal changes that were passed and are now enshrined in law. The days of the church having control over how the population vote and a parliament legislate are now gone thankfully. This numpty needs to learn that the law WILL be enforced in his case. The way ireland voted in these issues shows just how little power the church has in modern Ireland.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What’s your thoughts on it ? Jailed for refusing to call someone “they” I get the child is a boy but identifies as a girl, but they can’t keep him in jail over something like this ?

Not anti trans btw

strong conviction, truthfully, right?

Anyhow, his conviction is to be admired. I don't care if anyone identifies as anything, by the way, I just don't need to agree with calling you something I don't want to, for any reason.

It still amazes me that we speak so strongly on diversification and equality, but only on the grounds of what a minority say we can. God help anyone who disagrees, cults have had less restrictions

Are you viewing this from the spin Burke has put out?

He has no right to humiliate a child in front of the school.

He has no right to be aggressive with the principal because of his beliefs.

He has no right to be on private property when there was a court injunction barring him.

That's why he is in jail. Full stop.

Not all change is good, and having conviction whether we agree with it or not is to be admired.

I won't call anyone "they" on purpose - should I be penalized for it?

Can we call people "it"? what if I decide that people not similar to me should be "Its" is this OK?

We all don't need to agree but it's wonderful that I am afforded the chance to debate it, will I always have that right? or will anyone?"

You deciding labels for others is alot different to people choosing their own.

The attention for these things usually comes from the protests/backlash in my expiriance in this case the teachers protest not from the original school decision to call the child a selected pronoun.

And you are absolutely right the freedom to discuss these topics is vital, we might find in years that hormone therapy for under 21s had not been the ideal route, but there is a trans community and as a society we should be striving to help and aid their inclusion.

If you disagree with that then that's absolutely fine. But this guy wasn't acting as a private citizen he was acting as an employee and that changes the dynamic

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By *anddswingCouple over a year ago

South Dublin

It is very common for people to use "they" pronouns when referring to individuals who's gender they do not know or want to assume. I was not referring to "you" personally, sorry for the confusion.

"They" Pronouns or any Pronouns are not common in my large circle of acquaintances, and what about me, it might upset me to have to call someone something I don't believe in. I'm not restricting myself from anything where are you coming up with this, it's a nice sentence but means nothing. If we spent more time looking after our own selves and less worried about what others think, I honestly believe we would have fewer issues. I'll worry about what upsets me, in a friendly non-aggressive manner to other people, but I'm going to go with what I feel is right for me, Is it wrong that I should look after "me"? You seem to have a problem with choice, and have somehow confused that with restrictions, I'm not restricted but you seem to think you would be if you disagreed with someone or somethng.

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple over a year ago

The West

"What’s your thoughts on it ? Jailed for refusing to call someone “they” I get the child is a boy but identifies as a girl, but they can’t keep him in jail over something like this ?

Not anti trans btw

strong conviction, truthfully, right?

Anyhow, his conviction is to be admired. I don't care if anyone identifies as anything, by the way, I just don't need to agree with calling you something I don't want to, for any reason.

It still amazes me that we speak so strongly on diversification and equality, but only on the grounds of what a minority say we can. God help anyone who disagrees, cults have had less restrictions

Are you viewing this from the spin Burke has put out?

He has no right to humiliate a child in front of the school.

He has no right to be aggressive with the principal because of his beliefs.

He has no right to be on private property when there was a court injunction barring him.

That's why he is in jail. Full stop.

Not all change is good, and having conviction whether we agree with it or not is to be admired.

I won't call anyone "they" on purpose - should I be penalized for it?

Can we call people "it"? what if I decide that people not similar to me should be "Its" is this OK?

We all don't need to agree but it's wonderful that I am afforded the chance to debate it, will I always have that right? or will anyone?"

I'm not sure you're serious now?

Homosexuality, same sex marriage, divorce and abortion are all things Burke wants reversed immediately, regardless of the democratic decision.

You will always have your right to debate your beliefs but only if people like Burke don't stop you!

Over the last century, in order for society to work towards equality, liberty and freedom, people like Burke have always been brushed aside and rightly so!

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By *3nsesMan over a year ago

Dublin

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What’s your thoughts on it ? Jailed for refusing to call someone “they” I get the child is a boy but identifies as a girl, but they can’t keep him in jail over something like this ?

Not anti trans btw

strong conviction, truthfully, right?

Anyhow, his conviction is to be admired. I don't care if anyone identifies as anything, by the way, I just don't need to agree with calling you something I don't want to, for any reason.

It still amazes me that we speak so strongly on diversification and equality, but only on the grounds of what a minority say we can. God help anyone who disagrees, cults have had less restrictions

Are you viewing this from the spin Burke has put out?

He has no right to humiliate a child in front of the school.

He has no right to be aggressive with the principal because of his beliefs.

He has no right to be on private property when there was a court injunction barring him.

That's why he is in jail. Full stop.

Not all change is good, and having conviction whether we agree with it or not is to be admired.

I won't call anyone "they" on purpose - should I be penalized for it?

Can we call people "it"? what if I decide that people not similar to me should be "Its" is this OK?

We all don't need to agree but it's wonderful that I am afforded the chance to debate it, will I always have that right? or will anyone?"

A fantastic post by someone with an open mind who understands the complexities of these issues

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By *3nsesMan over a year ago

Dublin

strong conviction, truthfully, right?

Anyhow, his conviction is to be admired. I don't care if anyone identifies as anything, by the way, I just don't need to agree with calling you something I don't want to, for any reason.

It still amazes me that we speak so strongly on diversification and equality, but only on the grounds of what a minority say we can. God help anyone who disagrees, cults have had less restrictions

Hitler had conviction in his beliefs as well. Do you comment him for that too?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It is very common for people to use "they" pronouns when referring to individuals who's gender they do not know or want to assume. I was not referring to "you" personally, sorry for the confusion.

Pronouns are not common in your circles? You don't use "I", "you", "he", "she" etc, these are all pronouns. You're not restricting yourself, you're restricting others. By not using someone's preferred pronouns you are restricting them to who you think they are/should be. You were the one who brought up the restrictions anyway in your very "important sentence".

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I find it funny there are people arguing on the side of burke who he would see burn in hell for the lifestyle choices they have made by just being on fab, nevermond the fact he thinks transgender is just as wrong as homosexuality and bisexuality. He tars anyone different in that same category. He uses his "christian convictions" to justify this forgetting core christian values such as compassion and respect. Did he show compassion to the child he humiliatied in front of their peers? A child he himself has no interaction with bar seeing them in the halls? Did he show respect when he approached the principal of the school about his objections at a meal after being told it wasn't the time or place for the discussion? Did he show respect to the court for the injunction placed upon him and ahere to them? The answer to all of this is no.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I find it funny there are people arguing on the side of burke who he would see burn in hell for the lifestyle choices they have made by just being on fab, nevermond the fact he thinks transgender is just as wrong as homosexuality and bisexuality. He tars anyone different in that same category. He uses his "christian convictions" to justify this forgetting core christian values such as compassion and respect. Did he show compassion to the child he humiliatied in front of their peers? A child he himself has no interaction with bar seeing them in the halls? Did he show respect when he approached the principal of the school about his objections at a meal after being told it wasn't the time or place for the discussion? Did he show respect to the court for the injunction placed upon him and ahere to them? The answer to all of this is no. "

Very well said! An incredible abuse of process, costing the state and the emotional cost to the student, their parents and the school community, just so he can publicise his own beliefs. A terrible situation for all involved

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By *ilthyNightsCouple over a year ago

East / North, Cork

I don't use pronouns?

Sounds a but like a Prince Andrew defense... who doesn't sweat

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I was in Castlebar recently and walked past the Burke family shop

I showed the stuff for sale to the fabber I was with..unbelievable rubbish

Irelands version of The Westboro Baptist Church....

I wasn't aware they had a shop..what's it's called?

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By *anddswingCouple over a year ago

South Dublin

"I don't use pronouns?

Sounds a but like a Prince Andrew defense... who doesn't sweat

I don't use gendered-specific pronouns in my everyday language. It's hilarious what people try to justify as an argument. Let's all keep it clever and not silly, there is enough childish happenings in the world.

You are either a he or a she (a male or female) biologically as humans you cannot be both at the same time we have chromosomes that handle that, no man who believes he is a woman can have two X chromosomes, no matter how much we wish we/they could or through our current technology or probably ever.

Normalizing anything is to make the not normal "normal" through potentially forced changed perception.

Can you point out the transgendered person that stays the opposite born sex when you stop the drugs?

In relation to what Mr. Burke believes or not, I commend his conviction. Regardless of what his beliefs are about gay marriage etc. I, in this instance, agree with him on the forced use of gender-used specific labels / (binary, CIS, they, them, Etc.) (and all this entails) pronouns when you don't believe it or agree it's right. I don't have to agree with every opinion someone has to agree with some. Let's not try and be silly twisting here.

Once again, do what you want to do but don't force me to go along with it, because just as much as someone might be offended/hurt so too might I.

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By *og-ManMan over a year ago

somewhere

"I don't use pronouns?

Sounds a but like a Prince Andrew defense... who doesn't sweat

Normalizing anything is to make the not normal "normal" through potentially forced changed perception.

Can you point out the transgendered person that stays the opposite born sex when you stop the drugs?

Once again, do what you want to do but don't force me to go along with it, because just as much as someone might be offended/hurt so too might I. "

Do you believe the courts were right to put him in prison for contempt because everything else is just a sideshow in my opinion

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By *og-ManMan over a year ago

somewhere

Started watching The West Wing again this week and was reminded of this masterpiece

https://youtu.be/3CPjWd4MUXs

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By *mmortalValkyrieWoman over a year ago

From a galaxy far far away

This.

The world is changing quite rapidly. When we were all growing up it was you were a boy/girl…. Now it’s not quite so simplistically clear to be labeled as such because we have evolved in respecting and understanding other peoples identities and what they actually feel like being.

It should not matter to anyone if someone wants to be called He/She/They/Them etc

What is in a name anyway?

Is it going to affect me in anyway whatsoever if I call a child they? No it bloodly well won’t! The world is not going to end for me!

But it could make a huge world changing difference to that child.

Personally I wish there was no religion

or judgment on what you are, bi, gay, slim, fat etc

I wish we could all just take people for who they are and want to be….

We are all just human beings with feelings x

That Bigot got thrown in jail for contempt….

He will now make it his mission to bring his religion to mountjoy and preach the word of his God and convert the fallen so his legacy through this will be a book tour and speaking engagements in the US. He will be a millionaire by the end of it and he certainly will not be spreading his wealth with the poor I bet…

He and his ilk irritate me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't use pronouns?

Sounds a but like a Prince Andrew defense... who doesn't sweat

Normalizing anything is to make the not normal "normal" through potentially forced changed perception.

Can you point out the transgendered person that stays the opposite born sex when you stop the drugs?

Once again, do what you want to do but don't force me to go along with it, because just as much as someone might be offended/hurt so too might I. "

You are aware that being transgender isn't solely about outward appearance. My trans child takes no hormone treatment. Their gender dysphoria is no less real.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't use pronouns?

Sounds a but like a Prince Andrew defense... who doesn't sweat

Normalizing anything is to make the not normal "normal" through potentially forced changed perception.

Can you point out the transgendered person that stays the opposite born sex when you stop the drugs?

Once again, do what you want to do but don't force me to go along with it, because just as much as someone might be offended/hurt so too might I. "

Incidentally...for someone who claims to not use gender specific pronouns in their everyday language, have a read through what you just wrote and count the number of times you used those very pronouns

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By *anddswingCouple over a year ago

South Dublin

"I don't use pronouns?

Sounds a but like a Prince Andrew defense... who doesn't sweat

Normalizing anything is to make the not normal "normal" through potentially forced changed perception.

Can you point out the transgendered person that stays the opposite born sex when you stop the drugs?

Once again, do what you want to do but don't force me to go along with it, because just as much as someone might be offended/hurt so too might I.

I think I covered off your remark earlier in relation to the correct use of the English language, I don't gender it as you believe. You must not have read my sentences correctly, but that's O.K.

In relation to your child being transgender, wonderful for them, at some point they might also be a unicorn, an elephant, an alien or a wizard, etc. I really hope that they find their way at some point, but being a child I don't believe they have the aptitude to understand what sex if any they are, however, the sexual organ they are born with should be the focus of their sexual identity at this early development stage (Just in case).

We are all entitled to our opinions, I just don't believe yours are correct, and no one has given a decent enough argument for me to change my mind. (Yet, but I'm doubtful there is an argument).

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By *ichael McCarthyMan over a year ago

Lucan

"I don't use pronouns?

Sounds a but like a Prince Andrew defense... who doesn't sweat

Normalizing anything is to make the not normal "normal" through potentially forced changed perception.

Can you point out the transgendered person that stays the opposite born sex when you stop the drugs?

Once again, do what you want to do but don't force me to go along with it, because just as much as someone might be offended/hurt so too might I.

I think I covered off your remark earlier in relation to the correct use of the English language, I don't gender it as you believe. You must not have read my sentences correctly, but that's O.K.

We are all entitled to our opinions, I just don't believe yours are correct, and no one has given a decent enough argument for me to change my mind. (Yet, but I'm doubtful there is an argument).

If that level of insult is your normal response to such a complex issue as gender identity then nobody could ever change your bigoted mind. I'd be surprised if anyone relevant ever discussed tune issue with you.

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By *nardriMan over a year ago

near town

"The most important thing in this is that a child who had the courage to talk to their parents and who got backed by them in the school is respected and not blamed in any way

I can see protesters at this school soon "

I couldn’t give a toss what someone does with their bodies, it’s their own business.

But my kids are under my watch until they are at least 18. My boys will be raised as boys and my girls will be raised as girls. It’s simple genetics.

I sure as hell won’t be supporting them to go through a sex change. I know that’s not the PC answer a lot of people pussyfoot around nowadays but the world had gone to soft.

As for yer man Burke, well he just sounds like a fool.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple over a year ago

East / North, Cork

So you wouldnt be supporting your children through transitioning. What would you do instead? Cut them off? Throw them out? Maybe have some of that conversion therapy that the evangelicals run? Or something else?

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By *ichael McCarthyMan over a year ago

Lucan

"I don't use pronouns?

Sounds a but like a Prince Andrew defense... who doesn't sweat

Normalizing anything is to make the not normal "normal" through potentially forced changed perception.

Can you point out the transgendered person that stays the opposite born sex when you stop the drugs?

Once again, do what you want to do but don't force me to go along with it, because just as much as someone might be offended/hurt so too might I.

I think I covered off your remark earlier in relation to the correct use of the English language, I don't gender it as you believe. You must not have read my sentences correctly, but that's O.K.

We are all entitled to our opinions, I just don't believe yours are correct, and no one has given a decent enough argument for me to change my mind. (Yet, but I'm doubtful there is an argument).

I'd prefer if you'd not label me please, I don't like being insulted, and your opinion in this instance is insulting.

I'm unsure about who'd be relevant to you this is very subjective (maybe if you know a post Op transgender person they could input and change my mind). I think it's you who are the insulting party here. I have not insulted anyone or anybody, I'm voicing a very legitimate truthful argument with clarity. Your aggressive misspelled sentences to me do not make you look like an intelligent participant on this topic. "

I didn't have you down as a great judge of intelligence to begin with so work away.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I didn't have you down as a great judge of intelligence to begin with so work away.

I mean they nailed this one tbf.....

Is they ok