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"Its a national disaster. No there isn't a crash coming. Basic economics. Properties are too short in supply and demand is too high." Some parties are promising increasing supply but easier said than done . Will builders and materials be available ? What it is creating is a generational difference . Taking owning for granted can’t happen . One off housing will become much rarer also . | |||
"Its a national disaster. No there isn't a crash coming. Basic economics. Properties are too short in supply and demand is too high. Some parties are promising increasing supply but easier said than done . Will builders and materials be available ? What it is creating is a generational difference . Taking owning for granted can’t happen . One off housing will become much rarer also . " Everyone and their dog are promising increasing supply.. its happening way too slowly though. We managed because we bought a very old house (1860) and renovated. More can be done with disused old houses. Renovation and retrofit grants need to be increased. New houses are so expensive to build tuay they are unaffordable for most. Controversial opinion: Bring back cheap bedsits for students and those living alone. There isn't enough choice in the market on the low end. | |||
"No crash as banks won't give the money or over lend ..but l Fucking HATE this Government , they now want more property tax cause the value of property has risen so they want more tax because of it , property tax should only be valued on the size of the house NOT the value simply because people are now paying a higher tax on their home which they may NEVER SELL..." My property tax is the exact same as last time because of the bands being wider Apart from the property tax I also paid stamp duty of 50k back in the 90's on a house thats my home rather than an investment | |||
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"Building has all but stopped at the moment because of the process of materials and shortage of labour. The slow down will result in material prices lowering but we need a massive influx of workers. It won't be a bubble burst because the circumstances are much different but there will probably be a major downturn in the economy next year " Well no, building has not "all but stopped" unless Cork is very different to Dublin. Yes, there are supply and labour issues but the largest house builder in the state is currently substantially ramping up output. | |||
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"Building has all but stopped at the moment because of the process of materials and shortage of labour. The slow down will result in material prices lowering but we need a massive influx of workers. It won't be a bubble burst because the circumstances are much different but there will probably be a major downturn in the economy next year Well no, building has not "all but stopped" unless Cork is very different to Dublin. Yes, there are supply and labour issues but the largest house builder in the state is currently substantially ramping up output. " Maybe it's the smaller builder so but there has been a massive slow down in work here in the last 2 months | |||
"I heard that a lot of projects are on hold because the price of materials has risen during the build to the point that the cost of building has increased beyond the expected selling price, or at least to a non-profit-making point." I have heard of at least 3 houses that either the builder pulled out or came back with a revised quote that the people building couldn't afford | |||
"I heard that a lot of projects are on hold because the price of materials has risen during the build to the point that the cost of building has increased beyond the expected selling price, or at least to a non-profit-making point." Smaller companies are going to be more affected by shortages in all liklihood. I do some occasional work on sites and the larger companies import a lot of their supplies directly rather than through providers. They're also not shy about increasing prices to the house buyers either. | |||
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"We currently have tax incentives for building hotels. Ending that will free up some construction labour. We also need to build social housing, lots of it. The private rental market is being distorted by people who should be in social housing, instead going into the rental market armed with HAP, squeezing the supply and pushing up the prices. This in turn makes it attractive for corporate landlords to buy up entire estates, squeezing out first time buyers as well. " This! It's a vicious circle and a sell out to big investors, while our cities turn into faceless building deserts, third level education becomes madly expensive due to accommodation costs and homelessness rises. Keep voting for the same crooks! 
If building had stopped, it wouldn't be impossible to get a plumber to fix my heating! | |||
"I heard that a lot of projects are on hold because the price of materials has risen during the build to the point that the cost of building has increased beyond the expected selling price, or at least to a non-profit-making point. I have heard of at least 3 houses that either the builder pulled out or came back with a revised quote that the people building couldn't afford" Steel is up 70 % this year Timber the same Some of my work on hold till Easter because I'm in a queue of large contractors and others cant get material till March | |||
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"I heard that a lot of projects are on hold because the price of materials has risen during the build to the point that the cost of building has increased beyond the expected selling price, or at least to a non-profit-making point. I have heard of at least 3 houses that either the builder pulled out or came back with a revised quote that the people building couldn't afford Steel is up 70 % this year Timber the same Some of my work on hold till Easter because I'm in a queue of large contractors and others cant get material till March " I bought a sheet of marine ply in May for €54. I bought one in August from the same supplier, same size, same source €125. I bought one yesterday, same supplier, same size, same source.. €140 | |||
"I heard that a lot of projects are on hold because the price of materials has risen during the build to the point that the cost of building has increased beyond the expected selling price, or at least to a non-profit-making point. I have heard of at least 3 houses that either the builder pulled out or came back with a revised quote that the people building couldn't afford Steel is up 70 % this year Timber the same Some of my work on hold till Easter because I'm in a queue of large contractors and others cant get material till March I bought a sheet of marine ply in May for €54. I bought one in August from the same supplier, same size, same source €125. I bought one yesterday, same supplier, same size, same source.. €140" The cost of timber is ridiculous at the moment I'm hoping it will drop again to a somewhat normal price. | |||
"We currently have tax incentives for building hotels. Ending that will free up some construction labour. We also need to build social housing, lots of it. The private rental market is being distorted by people who should be in social housing, instead going into the rental market armed with HAP, squeezing the supply and pushing up the prices. This in turn makes it attractive for corporate landlords to buy up entire estates, squeezing out first time buyers as well. " Social housing policy is a mess too. The part 5 legislation where a certain amount of houses in a development have to be social housing is making it easy for funds to buy up estates. Are you going to pay 600k for a house when 20% of your estate are getting it for free? Punters won’t but funds will swoop in | |||
"I heard that a lot of projects are on hold because the price of materials has risen during the build to the point that the cost of building has increased beyond the expected selling price, or at least to a non-profit-making point. I have heard of at least 3 houses that either the builder pulled out or came back with a revised quote that the people building couldn't afford Steel is up 70 % this year Timber the same Some of my work on hold till Easter because I'm in a queue of large contractors and others cant get material till March I bought a sheet of marine ply in May for €54. I bought one in August from the same supplier, same size, same source €125. I bought one yesterday, same supplier, same size, same source.. €140" I needed some marine ply recently for an outdoor project. Went to my supplier. Had a small heart attack and ended up buying regular ply and treating with yacht varnish. I watch it delaminating in the garden daily feeling sad. | |||
"We currently have tax incentives for building hotels. Ending that will free up some construction labour. We also need to build social housing, lots of it. The private rental market is being distorted by people who should be in social housing, instead going into the rental market armed with HAP, squeezing the supply and pushing up the prices. This in turn makes it attractive for corporate landlords to buy up entire estates, squeezing out first time buyers as well. Social housing policy is a mess too. The part 5 legislation where a certain amount of houses in a development have to be social housing is making it easy for funds to buy up estates. Are you going to pay 600k for a house when 20% of your estate are getting it for free? Punters won’t but funds will swoop in" Yeah, social housing isn't free housing. Also, in a lot of cases, the agreed % is never built with the builder/developer instead giving money to the council in lieu of housing. | |||
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"The rent control in RPZs is start but not enough . In the likes of Germany tenants have a lot of protections . You need to write an essay to the council if you’re a landlord trying to sell your let house " Try and rent somewhere in Berlin atm and come back to me  | |||
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"Its not going to change anytime soon. Materials have gone through the roof, as has labour. Hence the slowdown in building which leads to higher demand for rental property and higher rents. Not all areas are covered by RPZ's." The supply of housing vs the demand outdated the rapid rise in materials and shortage of labour it should be noted. It's not helping but not the root cause | |||
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"Thinking of selling my 80s 4 bed bungalow in the new year. I don't need half the space that I have or the large work shop and gardens. " I wonder if incentives for people to downsize might be useful and a way of creating supply ? There are countries like Oz which have this | |||
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"Thinking of selling my 80s 4 bed bungalow in the new year. I don't need half the space that I have or the large work shop and gardens. I wonder if incentives for people to downsize might be useful and a way of creating supply ? There are countries like Oz which have this " That's been floated here before but the wrinklies get all up in arms about it | |||
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"I would much rather a smaller low maintenance home and more free time for doing fun stuff " Their attitude is that they worked their life to pay for it, and raised their kids there, and nobody is going to tell them that they should move out from whats theirs. | |||
"I would much rather a smaller low maintenance home and more free time for doing fun stuff Their attitude is that they worked their life to pay for it, and raised their kids there, and nobody is going to tell them that they should move out from whats theirs." The amount of big houses worth a million around is unreal and one older person living in them Some can't afford to live or run the house but are attached to the memories.. Sell it,go on the best holiday or session ever and die living | |||
"I would much rather a smaller low maintenance home and more free time for doing fun stuff Their attitude is that they worked their life to pay for it, and raised their kids there, and nobody is going to tell them that they should move out from whats theirs. The amount of big houses worth a million around is unreal and one older person living in them Some can't afford to live or run the house but are attached to the memories.. Sell it,go on the best holiday or session ever and die living " I guess an age comes where the memories from the house are worth more than a holiday. No biggies they will die soon and the adult kids will sell the big house, make a killing, and some rich family will move in | |||
"We currently have tax incentives for building hotels. Ending that will free up some construction labour. We also need to build social housing, lots of it. The private rental market is being distorted by people who should be in social housing, instead going into the rental market armed with HAP, squeezing the supply and pushing up the prices. This in turn makes it attractive for corporate landlords to buy up entire estates, squeezing out first time buyers as well. " Agreed. And there needs to be more creativity and imagination in using existing buildings and existing spaces. For every step of the way in terms of accommodation, from first time renters like students, to older people who move into needing care. Its despairing the way it is today, focussed on profit rather than social need | |||
"I would much rather a smaller low maintenance home and more free time for doing fun stuff Their attitude is that they worked their life to pay for it, and raised their kids there, and nobody is going to tell them that they should move out from whats theirs. The amount of big houses worth a million around is unreal and one older person living in them Some can't afford to live or run the house but are attached to the memories.. Sell it,go on the best holiday or session ever and die living " Downsize to a cottage in west cork would be nice | |||
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"Hopefully the prices hold or go up more, trying to get a property tidied up to put on the market " To be honest I hope they drop for the sake of those buying Its hard when one of your children tell you they've saved 30K in a year towards a house and the average price has gone up by 50K in the same year I couldn't care if my home dropped in price....I paid a certain amount for it,I own it and I'm not selling it even it its gone up 300% since I bought it | |||
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"I thought saving my deposit was gonna be the hard part….how wrong was I "Saving the deposit was always the hard part It used to be a normal part of life You lived at home didnt go out for a year and saved your deposit Now rent is bigger than any mortgage so you can't save the deposit | |||
"I thought saving my deposit was gonna be the hard part….how wrong was I
Saving the deposit was always the hard part
It used to be a normal part of life
You lived at home didnt go out for a year and saved your deposit
Now rent is bigger than any mortgage so you can't save the deposit"Jesus Christ there should be free state funded counselling sessions amd support groups for the time spent back at your parents when saving a deposit. | |||
"I thought saving my deposit was gonna be the hard part….how wrong was I
Saving the deposit was always the hard part
It used to be a normal part of life
You lived at home didnt go out for a year and saved your deposit
Now rent is bigger than any mortgage so you can't save the deposit
Jesus Christ there should be free state funded counselling sessions amd support groups for the time spent back at your parents when saving a deposit."I'd say the parents need them also | |||
"I thought saving my deposit was gonna be the hard part….how wrong was I
Saving the deposit was always the hard part
It used to be a normal part of life
You lived at home didnt go out for a year and saved your deposit
Now rent is bigger than any mortgage so you can't save the deposit
Jesus Christ there should be free state funded counselling sessions amd support groups for the time spent back at your parents when saving a deposit."For the parents, definitely  | |||
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"I sacrificed everything and put life on pause for 2 years to save 30k and have been approved over a year and just cannot secure anything, 2-3 viewings a week, some with over 70 people viewing, constantly outbid or priced out before I can make an offer. It’s bloody tough. Only upside is I’ve saved another 15k" How you doin 
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"I sacrificed everything and put life on pause for 2 years to save 30k and have been approved over a year and just cannot secure anything, 2-3 viewings a week, some with over 70 people viewing, constantly outbid or priced out before I can make an offer. It’s bloody tough. Only upside is I’ve saved another 15k How you doin
Wait for that inbox to fill now "Got a bit carried away there with details….. I needed to vent  | |||
"I sacrificed everything and put life on pause for 2 years to save 30k and have been approved over a year and just cannot secure anything, 2-3 viewings a week, some with over 70 people viewing, constantly outbid or priced out before I can make an offer. It’s bloody tough. Only upside is I’ve saved another 15k How you doin
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Got a bit carried away there with details….. I needed to vent "Glad you didn't come to the social now and saved a few euro.. 
You're right to vent....property market is completely fucked | |||
"I sacrificed everything and put life on pause for 2 years to save 30k and have been approved over a year and just cannot secure anything, 2-3 viewings a week, some with over 70 people viewing, constantly outbid or priced out before I can make an offer. It’s bloody tough. Only upside is I’ve saved another 15k How you doin
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Got a bit carried away there with details….. I needed to vent "Anymore interesting facts we should be privvy off...like rich, dying relatives on the other side of the world you have never heard of leaving you a small fortune | |||
"I sacrificed everything and put life on pause for 2 years to save 30k and have been approved over a year and just cannot secure anything, 2-3 viewings a week, some with over 70 people viewing, constantly outbid or priced out before I can make an offer. It’s bloody tough. Only upside is I’ve saved another 15k How you doin
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Got a bit carried away there with details….. I needed to vent
Anymore interesting facts we should be privvy off...like rich, dying relatives on the other side of the world you have never heard of leaving you a small fortune "He's like myself. I don't like to brag about my €14 million euro millions win. I don't tell anyone about it | |||
"I sacrificed everything and put life on pause for 2 years to save 30k and have been approved over a year and just cannot secure anything, 2-3 viewings a week, some with over 70 people viewing, constantly outbid or priced out before I can make an offer. It’s bloody tough. Only upside is I’ve saved another 15k How you doin
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Got a bit carried away there with details….. I needed to vent
Anymore interesting facts we should be privvy off...like rich, dying relatives on the other side of the world you have never heard of leaving you a small fortune
He's like myself. I don't like to brag about my €14 million euro millions win. I don't tell anyone about it"Ah sure, why would you - that's peanuts | |||
"I sacrificed everything and put life on pause for 2 years to save 30k and have been approved over a year and just cannot secure anything, 2-3 viewings a week, some with over 70 people viewing, constantly outbid or priced out before I can make an offer. It’s bloody tough. Only upside is I’ve saved another 15k How you doin
Wait for that inbox to fill now
Got a bit carried away there with details….. I needed to vent
Anymore interesting facts we should be privvy off...like rich, dying relatives on the other side of the world you have never heard of leaving you a small fortune
He's like myself. I don't like to brag about my €14 million euro millions win. I don't tell anyone about it
Ah sure, why would you - that's peanuts "Exactly. It's the money I got emailed from a Nigerian prince that I'd be bragging about serious dollars | |||
"I sacrificed everything and put life on pause for 2 years to save 30k and have been approved over a year and just cannot secure anything, 2-3 viewings a week, some with over 70 people viewing, constantly outbid or priced out before I can make an offer. It’s bloody tough. Only upside is I’ve saved another 15k How you doin
Wait for that inbox to fill now
Got a bit carried away there with details….. I needed to vent
Anymore interesting facts we should be privvy off...like rich, dying relatives on the other side of the world you have never heard of leaving you a small fortune
He's like myself. I don't like to brag about my €14 million euro millions win. I don't tell anyone about it
Ah sure, why would you - that's peanuts
Exactly. It's the money I got emailed from a Nigerian prince that I'd be bragging about serious dollars "I'm sure my sheikh is wealthier than yours...not that I want to brag like .. would hate to get into a cock fight with you | |||
"I sacrificed everything and put life on pause for 2 years to save 30k and have been approved over a year and just cannot secure anything, 2-3 viewings a week, some with over 70 people viewing, constantly outbid or priced out before I can make an offer. It’s bloody tough. Only upside is I’ve saved another 15k How you doin
Wait for that inbox to fill now
Got a bit carried away there with details….. I needed to vent
Anymore interesting facts we should be privvy off...like rich, dying relatives on the other side of the world you have never heard of leaving you a small fortune "I’m a compulsive liar | |||
"I sacrificed everything and put life on pause for 2 years to save 30k and have been approved over a year and just cannot secure anything, 2-3 viewings a week, some with over 70 people viewing, constantly outbid or priced out before I can make an offer. It’s bloody tough. Only upside is I’ve saved another 15k How you doin
Wait for that inbox to fill now
Got a bit carried away there with details….. I needed to vent
Anymore interesting facts we should be privvy off...like rich, dying relatives on the other side of the world you have never heard of leaving you a small fortune
I’m a compulsive liar "I find that hard to believe | |||
"I sacrificed everything and put life on pause for 2 years to save 30k and have been approved over a year and just cannot secure anything, 2-3 viewings a week, some with over 70 people viewing, constantly outbid or priced out before I can make an offer. It’s bloody tough. Only upside is I’ve saved another 15k How you doin
Wait for that inbox to fill now
Got a bit carried away there with details….. I needed to vent
Anymore interesting facts we should be privvy off...like rich, dying relatives on the other side of the world you have never heard of leaving you a small fortune
I’m a compulsive liar "That makes you unique here you should use it as your USP | |||
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"Made a couple of offers on a small place as an investment in the west and it’s just unreal . Already at 30 per cent over asking price less than 2 days after viewings started Remarkable " Do you not think others trying to invest in the market are causing that...a double edged sword I hope there's a massive collapse in house prices....couldn't care what I paid for mine its gone up 300% since i bought it...how much do I need it to increase when I hope to come out of it in a coffin. | |||
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"Made a couple of offers on a small place as an investment in the west and it’s just unreal . Already at 30 per cent over asking price less than 2 days after viewings started Remarkable " Lack of supply Tis awful expensive to buy in the whest right now | |||
"Made a couple of offers on a small place as an investment in the west and it’s just unreal . Already at 30 per cent over asking price less than 2 days after viewings started Remarkable Do you not think others trying to invest in the market are causing that...a double edged sword I hope there's a massive collapse in house prices....couldn't care what I paid for mine its gone up 300% since i bought it...how much do I need it to increase when I hope to come out of it in a coffin. " The problem with that though is that once house prices even stagnate, never mind collapse, builders stop building and banks tighten their lending criteria where they basically stop lending except to the very cash rich people. A good supply of houses stops prices rising and will bring rental prices down but it doesn't bring down house prices as such. | |||
"Made a couple of offers on a small place as an investment in the west and it’s just unreal . Already at 30 per cent over asking price less than 2 days after viewings started Remarkable Do you not think others trying to invest in the market are causing that...a double edged sword " THIS. Houses need to be homes not investment vehicles. Not a personal dig casual.. I hope you rent it out at a reasonable rate to a family who need it. | |||
"young people dont want to work in the building trade, I am working in it for 12 years and never was asked once for an apprenticeship, everybody I talk to in the buiding is up to their neck in work and very much overstretched. On the other side of the spectrum I feel that too many people are paying rent rates that should be mortgages, so who gets to buy? ; the rich landlords, back to modern feudalism. " Trying to find a builder for a small job, ansolute absolute impossible. Will probably ending up doing it myself although it would be pure madness out of despair. | |||
"Trying to find a builder for a small job, ansolute absolute impossible. Will probably ending up doing it myself although it would be pure madness out of despair. " Lolz. Inbox explosion incoming | |||
"Made a couple of offers on a small place as an investment in the west and it’s just unreal . Already at 30 per cent over asking price less than 2 days after viewings started Remarkable Do you not think others trying to invest in the market are causing that...a double edged sword THIS. Houses need to be homes not investment vehicles. Not a personal dig casual.. I hope you rent it out at a reasonable rate to a family who need it." I have pulled out as I am not contributing to this madness But morality won’t solve this , government intervention will | |||
"Made a couple of offers on a small place as an investment in the west and it’s just unreal . Already at 30 per cent over asking price less than 2 days after viewings started Remarkable Do you not think others trying to invest in the market are causing that...a double edged sword THIS. Houses need to be homes not investment vehicles. Not a personal dig casual.. I hope you rent it out at a reasonable rate to a family who need it. I have pulled out as I am not contributing to this madness But morality won’t solve this , government intervention will " This and former governments have no desire or intention to plan, develop and establish a sustainable housing market. There's too much money to be made filling their pockets. | |||
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"I was renting one of my spare (3 bedroom) property for 10 years to Dublin council for 1600 a month, payments were always on time only once or twice was delayed in these 10 yrs but the way tenants left the property is disaster. Holes are in every single wall in apartmen, i nearly spent €25000 to fix all mess and council didn't take no responsibility instead they said to me to hold deposit which was only €2000......now I can understand why landlords doesn't want to rent to generous prices.....5-6 complaints per year for loud parties.....disaster" In Austria you leave the apartment exactly how you got it , if it needs painting you paint it , if the said apartment is not in the same condition as you rented it you are fined , total different attitude there and how many apartments are thrashed ..none . | |||
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"I was renting one of my spare (3 bedroom) property for 10 years to Dublin council for 1600 a month, payments were always on time only once or twice was delayed in these 10 yrs but the way tenants left the property is disaster. Holes are in every single wall in apartmen, i nearly spent €25000 to fix all mess and council didn't take no responsibility instead they said to me to hold deposit which was only €2000......now I can understand why landlords doesn't want to rent to generous prices.....5-6 complaints per year for loud parties.....disaster" Must have been massive holes that it costed you 25K... On a more serious note, beside weak legislation/regulation of the rental market I think one problem is that almost all rental properties are furnished. The landlord throws the cheapest crappiest furnitures into the flat to limit any finacial damage. Tenant perceives shabby furnitures as exactly what they are: Rubbish and therefore give a flying pancake and doesn't take much care for the flat either. As a result property get a hard wear and tear. | |||
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"I think the average rent figures are also only new rentals that are notified There's thousands of rents that are not in that and people are paying less than average because they're long term tennants " It depends where you're getting your figures from. If you're talking about the likes of the daft.ie rental reports then yes, they just compile figures from advertised prices on their own site. If you're talking about RTB figures, which are closer to the real deal, I believe they compile them from all tenancies registered with them. That's the theory at least. There are plenty of tenancies not registered in sure, but I don't know if there's enough to sway the statistics. | |||
"In the Republic, most successive governments abjectly failed to properly provide for the needs of society; when the state was founded, housing was in a dreadful state but hundreds of thousands of houses were built by local councils all over the country., and many still exist. They were well built. There is a lot of land in Dublin and other cities, owned by the religious orders that could be used for social housing; instead it is being sold for phenomenal sums to developers whose motive is solely profit. Irish governments have failed in this regard. " A much bigger failing is where councils in the Dublin area have sold off parcels of their own land to developers for a fraction of its value, only to have to buy houses from the same developer for market value. Now that is a disaster. | |||
"In the Republic, most successive governments abjectly failed to properly provide for the needs of society; when the state was founded, housing was in a dreadful state but hundreds of thousands of houses were built by local councils all over the country., and many still exist. They were well built. There is a lot of land in Dublin and other cities, owned by the religious orders that could be used for social housing; instead it is being sold for phenomenal sums to developers whose motive is solely profit. Irish governments have failed in this regard. A much bigger failing is where councils in the Dublin area have sold off parcels of their own land to developers for a fraction of its value, only to have to buy houses from the same developer for market value. Now that is a disaster. " They also took money instead of 15% social housing per estate built over a certain size They were meant to use this money to build social housing and didn't bother | |||
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"In Ireland, exploitation of housing and other resources by the foreign coloniser for hundreds of years, was terminated by the Land Commission and Independence, that was then followed by a period of optimism and growth in council housing provision; that was progressively abandoned to be replaced by homegrown profiteers and exploiters who preyed on workers' need for somewhere to live. Central government, the Dail and Seanad should have more proactively intervened; the current shambles lies at their doorstep. When the religious orders failed to pay up for the abuse scandals,lands should have been seized and a public building programming instituted. Vulture funds, another form of exploitation should have been outlawed, etc. The powerless at the bottom of the social pile always get dumped upon! " This Government and other Governments should have stood against such things but what did they do ?.. Nothing ...they sold out , what the Government did to the lower and middle income earners of this country was scandalous , bailed out the banks , the people bailed out the banks but you wouldn't think that today . | |||
"In Ireland, exploitation of housing and other resources by the foreign coloniser for hundreds of years, was terminated by the Land Commission and Independence, that was then followed by a period of optimism and growth in council housing provision; that was progressively abandoned to be replaced by homegrown profiteers and exploiters who preyed on workers' need for somewhere to live. Central government, the Dail and Seanad should have more proactively intervened; the current shambles lies at their doorstep. When the religious orders failed to pay up for the abuse scandals,lands should have been seized and a public building programming instituted. Vulture funds, another form of exploitation should have been outlawed, etc. The powerless at the bottom of the social pile always get dumped upon! " While the land commission was a good effort and did a lot of valuable redistr in its earlier days, it became one of the most corrupt bodies in the state towards its demise, being destroyed by political interference. | |||
"In Ireland, exploitation of housing and other resources by the foreign coloniser for hundreds of years, was terminated by the Land Commission and Independence, that was then followed by a period of optimism and growth in council housing provision; that was progressively abandoned to be replaced by homegrown profiteers and exploiters who preyed on workers' need for somewhere to live. Central government, the Dail and Seanad should have more proactively intervened; the current shambles lies at their doorstep. When the religious orders failed to pay up for the abuse scandals,lands should have been seized and a public building programming instituted. Vulture funds, another form of exploitation should have been outlawed, etc. The powerless at the bottom of the social pile always get dumped upon! While the land commission was a good effort and did a lot of valuable redistr in its earlier days, it became one of the most corrupt bodies in the state towards its demise, being destroyed by political interference. " Ach sure, housing won't be a problem anymore once the next bill for housing is passed. The Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (Right to Housing) Bill 2020 reached 2nd Stage in the Oireachtas in June 2021. Note it's called Right to housing NOT Right to own your private home or holiday home or investment home aka your pension fund. It is proposed to amend the Constitution by virtue of Article 46 to insert the following: 1° The State, in particular, recognises the common good as including the right to secure, affordable, dignified housing, appropriate to need, for all the residents of Ireland and shall guarantee this right through its laws, policies and the prioritisation of resources. 2° The State, accordingly, shall delimit the right to private property where it is necessary to ensure the common good and to vindicate the said right to housing for all residents of Ireland. Note residents, not citizens. Note "delimit the right to private property" aka Klaus Schwab's (World Economic Forum) famous quote: "I own nothing and I'll be happy". Once you lot have passed this bill by referendum, all in the eyes of the common good, because no doubt the campaign will be worded in such a way! None of you will believe the state will actually take you or your parents out of their residential home, that has now become "too big for need" as the youngsters have flown the nest. That they'll be relocated to more "suitable" homes. Note how broadly it is worded. Who the fuck decides on the definition of "common good", "dignified housing ", "appropriate to need"?! If you lot think the government will go after the vulture funds, the politicians with several homes and investment properties, the rich, famous, the superwealthy, you'll be rethinking soon enough! Because fuck no, it'll be the average Joe Blogg, who's worked his ass off doing overtime, shift work, second jobs to buy a run down house in the countryside to do up as a project for his family to get away occasionally. It's people like you and me. They're the easy targets. And with interest rates rising, these people won't be able to afford their mortgages or the interest. They'll be targeted first. But it's all a conspiracy. | |||
"In Ireland, exploitation of housing and other resources by the foreign coloniser for hundreds of years, was terminated by the Land Commission and Independence, that was then followed by a period of optimism and growth in council housing provision; that was progressively abandoned to be replaced by homegrown profiteers and exploiters who preyed on workers' need for somewhere to live. Central government, the Dail and Seanad should have more proactively intervened; the current shambles lies at their doorstep. When the religious orders failed to pay up for the abuse scandals,lands should have been seized and a public building programming instituted. Vulture funds, another form of exploitation should have been outlawed, etc. The powerless at the bottom of the social pile always get dumped upon! While the land commission was a good effort and did a lot of valuable redistr in its earlier days, it became one of the most corrupt bodies in the state towards its demise, being destroyed by political interference. Ach sure, housing won't be a problem anymore once the next bill for housing is passed. The Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (Right to Housing) Bill 2020 reached 2nd Stage in the Oireachtas in June 2021. Note it's called Right to housing NOT Right to own your private home or holiday home or investment home aka your pension fund. It is proposed to amend the Constitution by virtue of Article 46 to insert the following: 1° The State, in particular, recognises the common good as including the right to secure, affordable, dignified housing, appropriate to need, for all the residents of Ireland and shall guarantee this right through its laws, policies and the prioritisation of resources. 2° The State, accordingly, shall delimit the right to private property where it is necessary to ensure the common good and to vindicate the said right to housing for all residents of Ireland. Note residents, not citizens. Note "delimit the right to private property" aka Klaus Schwab's (World Economic Forum) famous quote: "I own nothing and I'll be happy". Once you lot have passed this bill by referendum, all in the eyes of the common good, because no doubt the campaign will be worded in such a way! None of you will believe the state will actually take you or your parents out of their residential home, that has now become "too big for need" as the youngsters have flown the nest. That they'll be relocated to more "suitable" homes. Note how broadly it is worded. Who the fuck decides on the definition of "common good", "dignified housing ", "appropriate to need"?! If you lot think the government will go after the vulture funds, the politicians with several homes and investment properties, the rich, famous, the superwealthy, you'll be rethinking soon enough! Because fuck no, it'll be the average Joe Blogg, who's worked his ass off doing overtime, shift work, second jobs to buy a run down house in the countryside to do up as a project for his family to get away occasionally. It's people like you and me. They're the easy targets. And with interest rates rising, these people won't be able to afford their mortgages or the interest. They'll be targeted first. But it's all a conspiracy. "This Government and all the other Governments ..past and future did not or will not go after anything that will take out of their pockets , they don't give a f**k once they are paid their lotto style money through wages , expenses or rent,they make their money off the backs of hard pressed people . The only thing they pay is lip service. | |||
