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"Sorry Just to be clear . Wanted the narrative out there . Definitely not looking for advice . Option 3 as I said is what I am looking to progressing towards . 4 isn’t happening . Kids thriving. " Well no.. your option was talking about not being caught cheating etc. That's fundamentally different to my option where you get agreement from her that you get sex elsewhere. You can do this without betraying the person in your life who trusts you most. Also many many kids continue to thrive with coparents who live separate lives. Mine do. At least that way they see both their parents acting with integrity and don't catch them in disloyalty. That's a path to dysfunction. | |||
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"The concept of my life partner coming onto a web forum to discuss the best way to cheat on me and get absolution from a bunch of strangers is stomach turning. Possibly worse than actually cheating. You can't have it all ways. You can't cheat AND be the good guy. If you're gonna do it, at least own up to that. Lots of people go years, lifetimes even without sex by choice or otherwise. If you wanna stay the good guy you can choose to accept that, or be honest, or leave. But the fact that you're not prepared to hurt your kids over it by leaving but you're fine with hurting your wife by cheating? This just shows that your resentment doesn't come from deprivation, it comes from entitlement. Cheating also hurts the kids far more so than their parents just splitting up. It leaves them with a lifetime of issues that they may never fully recover from . Just be aware OP the consequences u potentially face if you are ever caught the fallout affects far more than just your poor wife " | |||
"Option 3. Be honest with her that you can't live without sex and have her agree to you being satisfied elsewhere Option 4. Be honest with her that you can't live without sex and if you can't come to an arrangement then you are fundamentally incompatible and so agree to seperate. Don't betray youe loved one. It's not necessary. Keep your integrity and be upfront about fixing the issue together, or being apart. " | |||
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"Option 3. Be honest with her that you can't live without sex and have her agree to you being satisfied elsewhere Option 4. Be honest with her that you can't live without sex and if you can't come to an arrangement then you are fundamentally incompatible and so agree to seperate. Don't betray youe loved one. It's not necessary. Keep your integrity and be upfront about fixing the issue together, or being apart. " This
Ps. If your wife KNEW you were cheating (which is what it is) then she could make her choice to stay (and work on it) or leave.
You aren't giving her any options herself therefore, it's all on your terms. Which is extremely selfish.
Sorry OP.....
I understand you are frustrated but you can't disrespect the mother of your children in that way.
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"Sorry Just to be clear . Wanted the narrative out there . Definitely not looking for advice . Option 3 as I said is what I am looking to progressing towards . 4 isn’t happening . Kids thriving. Well no.. your option was talking about not being caught cheating etc. That's fundamentally different to my option where you get agreement from her that you get sex elsewhere. You can do this without betraying the person in your life who trusts you most. Also many many kids continue to thrive with coparents who live separate lives. Mine do. At least that way they see both their parents acting with integrity and don't catch them in disloyalty. That's a path to dysfunction." Brave post OP. My only response is re option4 since I can relate to it personally. Kids can thrive through, despite of and in some cases because of seperation. Of course there will be a bumpy patch but life is full of change and challenge. Parenting is all about communicating and supporting them through it, which is a lot easier done in an atmosphere of openness and honesty. | |||
"Option 3. Be honest with her that you can't live without sex and have her agree to you being satisfied elsewhere Option 4. Be honest with her that you can't live without sex and if you can't come to an arrangement then you are fundamentally incompatible and so agree to seperate. Don't betray youe loved one. It's not necessary. Keep your integrity and be upfront about fixing the issue together, or being apart. " Option 3 worked for me. Took a few years for me to confront the issue but I did about 5 years ago and we are both a lot happier since. Celibacy is not for me | |||
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"Good luck with this one mate
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"Regularly does with all the gremlins waiting to pounce "That’s not what I meant. | |||
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"I’m married, happily as well. My wife knows I’m having fun elsewhere because it was her idea. Her libido has take a dive in recent years (medical reasons) and until such time when it picks up, she suggest I play elsewhere. I agree that it’s all about communication " It really feels like the best solution to the issue if you can make this work as a couple. I would be SO proud of my wife if she was able to agree to this during a time when her physical needs were different. It really shows that she understands you and prioritises your needs, and you guys are going to work through the difficult times together. | |||
"I’m married, happily as well. My wife knows I’m having fun elsewhere because it was her idea. Her libido has take a dive in recent years (medical reasons) and until such time when it picks up, she suggest I play elsewhere. I agree that it’s all about communication It really feels like the best solution to the issue if you can make this work as a couple. I would be SO proud of my wife if she was able to agree to this during a time when her physical needs were different. It really shows that she understands you and prioritises your needs, and you guys are going to work through the difficult times together. " I’m really lucky that way. She said it was partly because it had been so long and knew how high my drive can be, but mainly because I didn’t make her feel bad about it and I didn’t pressure her in any way and I didn’t cheat on her. | |||
"I’m married, happily as well. My wife knows I’m having fun elsewhere because it was her idea. Her libido has take a dive in recent years (medical reasons) and until such time when it picks up, she suggest I play elsewhere. I agree that it’s all about communication It really feels like the best solution to the issue if you can make this work as a couple. I would be SO proud of my wife if she was able to agree to this during a time when her physical needs were different. It really shows that she understands you and prioritises your needs, and you guys are going to work through the difficult times together. I’m really lucky that way. She said it was partly because it had been so long and knew how high my drive can be, but mainly because I didn’t make her feel bad about it and I didn’t pressure her in any way and I didn’t cheat on her." | |||
"The narrative of the ‘cheating husband’ is conspicuous by its absence so thought I d address this . I suppose like many in the same position things have changed enormously in the marriage over the years . Whilst there is so much good , the intimacy aspect has waned slowly over the years and with it like many others my needs to feel validated/desired have become increasingly unfulfilled . I was faced with two options . Please note we have had many conversations and therapy has been dismissed . 1. Not pursue other outlets: and become increasingly resentful 2. Pursue other options , like fab. Risk STIs (managed risk), getting caught (managed risk), falling for someone else (unlikely when you’re married to someone wonderful in so many ways including as a mother , despite her waning desire for you ). I chose 2. Personally I am not sure option 1 was really an option long term . It’s easy to state that my mental health would not have been up to it and use that as an excuse , but it’s true I sincerely believe . I am getting closer to explicitly stating that I need to compartmentalise the sex part. Not there yet . Some will read this and think ‘scum’. Maybe true but always a little more complex when you hear the other side of the story .... You said therapy was ruled out and you have decided option 2 is best. But have you thought about going to a therapist regardless yourself without your wifes knowledge.....or are you worried that their answers wont suit you? Im not attacking you but nothing only good can come from a professionals advice " | |||
"I’m married, happily as well. My wife knows I’m having fun elsewhere because it was her idea. Her libido has take a dive in recent years (medical reasons) and until such time when it picks up, she suggest I play elsewhere. I agree that it’s all about communication It really feels like the best solution to the issue if you can make this work as a couple. I would be SO proud of my wife if she was able to agree to this during a time when her physical needs were different. It really shows that she understands you and prioritises your needs, and you guys are going to work through the difficult times together. I’m really lucky that way. She said it was partly because it had been so long and knew how high my drive can be, but mainly because I didn’t make her feel bad about it and I didn’t pressure her in any way and I didn’t cheat on her." Sounds like an amazing relationship (and wife) that you have | |||
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"This is a common theme on all the Fab forums. Thank you for raising it, as you're voicing the stories of many Irish men. However, I find it counterproductive, as in general, you'll get unsupportive responses. Many people here on the Irish forum respond with moral outrage, rather than logical rational thinking, and dare I say it, sympathy and empathy. If you post this subject in the UK or French forum, the responses are more helpful and understanding. Best of luck in your relationship. I could think of many solutions, but won't offer them here. The bigger question is.. Why does sexual desire diminish in couples relationships.? " Your last question is one which many don't delve into properly. There is always a (fixable) reason, it doesn't just happen 'naturally'. | |||
"This is a common theme on all the Fab forums. Thank you for raising it, as you're voicing the stories of many Irish men. However, I find it counterproductive, as in general, you'll get unsupportive responses. Many people here on the Irish forum respond with moral outrage, rather than logical rational thinking, and dare I say it, sympathy and empathy. If you post this subject in the UK or French forum, the responses are more helpful and understanding. Best of luck in your relationship. I could think of many solutions, but won't offer them here. The bigger question is.. Why does sexual desire diminish in couples relationships.? " Brilliant praiseworthy response. | |||
"This is a common theme on all the Fab forums. Thank you for raising it, as you're voicing the stories of many Irish men. However, I find it counterproductive, as in general, you'll get unsupportive responses. Many people here on the Irish forum respond with moral outrage, rather than logical rational thinking, and dare I say it, sympathy and empathy. If you post this subject in the UK or French forum, the responses are more helpful and understanding. Best of luck in your relationship. I could think of many solutions, but won't offer them here. The bigger question is.. Why does sexual desire diminish in couples relationships.? " I have seen these threads over many years in the UK forum and the opinion there is as divided. Yes there are many more defenders but that's soley due to the numbers kn the forum itself. To infer that people who believe that lying and cheating in your spouse are illogical, irrational and lack sympathy or compassion is a little self indulgent to your own point of view. There are many sides to every argument and issue but just because you view your outlook as more enlightened doesn't always make it so | |||
"I’m married, happily as well. My wife knows I’m having fun elsewhere because it was her idea. Her libido has take a dive in recent years (medical reasons) and until such time when it picks up, she suggest I play elsewhere. I agree that it’s all about communication It really feels like the best solution to the issue if you can make this work as a couple. I would be SO proud of my wife if she was able to agree to this during a time when her physical needs were different. It really shows that she understands you and prioritises your needs, and you guys are going to work through the difficult times together. I’m really lucky that way. She said it was partly because it had been so long and knew how high my drive can be, but mainly because I didn’t make her feel bad about it and I didn’t pressure her in any way and I didn’t cheat on her."  | |||
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"I always find it curious that some people in this very thread have commented on previous threads about people meeting during lockdown and claimed that what others do is none of their concern. That they should be allowed to live and let live. Strange that "Pic n Mix morality | |||
"I always find it curious that some people in this very thread have commented on previous threads about people meeting during lockdown and claimed that what others do is none of their concern. That they should be allowed to live and let live. Strange that
Pic n Mix morality "I mean everyone's morals are by definition a pic n mix We all have different ideas of what's morally acceptable and what isn't | |||
"Jeez..what to say...well l think its totally wrong that a person can deprive someone of something they love simply because they think they can or its ok to do so..its selfish..yes l fully understand how things can go in a marraige but the " well lm not interested so you have to go without too " attitude is wrong..on both sides if thats the situation...whats the solution ?.. totally depends on circumstances of course but life is so short and if either side love sex and are being denied it well then its time to move cause you dont want to reach a stage in your life and regret missing out on something you love because you let someone else make that decision for you." | |||
"I always find it curious that some people in this very thread have commented on previous threads about people meeting during lockdown and claimed that what others do is none of their concern. That they should be allowed to live and let live. Strange that
Pic n Mix morality
I mean everyone's morals are by definition a pic n mix
We all have different ideas of what's morally acceptable and what isn't "Indeed, however there's little live and let live displayed anytime this subject rears its head | |||
"I always find it curious that some people in this very thread have commented on previous threads about people meeting during lockdown and claimed that what others do is none of their concern. That they should be allowed to live and let live. Strange that
Pic n Mix morality
I mean everyone's morals are by definition a pic n mix
We all have different ideas of what's morally acceptable and what isn't
Indeed, however there's little live and let live displayed anytime this subject rears its head "I would say there is always a mix of opinions. I would also day that these thread are by enlarge started by married people. Once the thread is started people give their opinion. I'd agree with you if it was constantly couples or singles bringing the subject up. | |||
"I always find it curious that some people in this very thread have commented on previous threads about people meeting during lockdown and claimed that what others do is none of their concern. That they should be allowed to live and let live. Strange that
Pic n Mix morality
I mean everyone's morals are by definition a pic n mix
We all have different ideas of what's morally acceptable and what isn't
Indeed, however there's little live and let live displayed anytime this subject rears its head
I would say there is always a mix of opinions.
I would also day that these thread are by enlarge started by married people.
Once the thread is started people give their opinion.
I'd agree with you if it was constantly couples or singles bringing the subject up."You're missing the point totally. People who have commented on this thread and others have also commented on other unrelated threads about other subjects but certainly in relation to people meeting during lockdown. They were very vocal about no one having the right on fab to judge others and that what others do is of no concern whatsoever to them. They also said it was ridiculous how quick others were to jump on a thread to have a dig at people for meeting despite covid restrictions and that it should always be live and let live. And yet here we are once more.... The subject of the thread is irrelevant. It's the hypocrisy. | |||
"I always find it curious that some people in this very thread have commented on previous threads about people meeting during lockdown and claimed that what others do is none of their concern. That they should be allowed to live and let live. Strange that
Pic n Mix morality
I mean everyone's morals are by definition a pic n mix
We all have different ideas of what's morally acceptable and what isn't
Indeed, however there's little live and let live displayed anytime this subject rears its head
I would say there is always a mix of opinions.
I would also day that these thread are by enlarge started by married people.
Once the thread is started people give their opinion.
I'd agree with you if it was constantly couples or singles bringing the subject up.
You're missing the point totally.
People who have commented on this thread and others have also commented on other unrelated threads about other subjects but certainly in relation to people meeting during lockdown.
They were very vocal about no one having the right on fab to judge others and that what others do is of no concern whatsoever to them. They also said it was ridiculous how quick others were to jump on a thread to have a dig at people for meeting despite covid restrictions and that it should always be live and let live. And yet here we are once more....
The subject of the thread is irrelevant. It's the hypocrisy.
"I got your point. That's why I replied to the other poster just about the pic n mix morality. I'd have to see the actual end and context to comment on that. Like for example if someone started a thread having a go at married people I'd possibly tell them to mind their own business. But when someone posts a justification on a public forum I feel OK to post on it. So I can see potential hypocrisy but also how people might have different outlooks depending on context | |||
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"I’m married, happily as well. My wife knows I’m having fun elsewhere because it was her idea. Her libido has take a dive in recent years (medical reasons) and until such time when it picks up, she suggest I play elsewhere. I agree that it’s all about communication It really feels like the best solution to the issue if you can make this work as a couple. I would be SO proud of my wife if she was able to agree to this during a time when her physical needs were different. It really shows that she understands you and prioritises your needs, and you guys are going to work through the difficult times together. I’m really lucky that way. She said it was partly because it had been so long and knew how high my drive can be, but mainly because I didn’t make her feel bad about it and I didn’t pressure her in any way and I didn’t cheat on her." | |||
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"The celebrated French author Veronique Ovalde wrote, "Un homme prend une maitresse pour rester avec sa femme, tandis qu'une femme prend un amant pour quitter son mari" (A man takes a mistress to stay with his wife, while a woman takes a lover to leave her husband.) The conversation continues.... " Awww. Cheating men are doing it for their wives. How thoughtful and kind of them. | |||
"The celebrated French author Veronique Ovalde wrote, "Un homme prend une maitresse pour rester avec sa femme, tandis qu'une femme prend un amant pour quitter son mari" (A man takes a mistress to stay with his wife, while a woman takes a lover to leave her husband.) The conversation continues.... Awww. Cheating men are doing it for their wives. How thoughtful and kind of them. " But when it's written in French it's so much more sophisticated and liberal, no? | |||
"The celebrated French author Veronique Ovalde wrote, "Un homme prend une maitresse pour rester avec sa femme, tandis qu'une femme prend un amant pour quitter son mari" (A man takes a mistress to stay with his wife, while a woman takes a lover to leave her husband.) The conversation continues.... Awww. Cheating men are doing it for their wives. How thoughtful and kind of them. But when it's written in French it's so much more sophisticated and liberal, no? " From what Ive heard its culturally normal in France, and not seen as the same life-shattering deception as it is here. | |||
"The celebrated French author Veronique Ovalde wrote, "Un homme prend une maitresse pour rester avec sa femme, tandis qu'une femme prend un amant pour quitter son mari" (A man takes a mistress to stay with his wife, while a woman takes a lover to leave her husband.) The conversation continues.... Awww. Cheating men are doing it for their wives. How thoughtful and kind of them. But when it's written in French it's so much more sophisticated and liberal, no? From what Ive heard its culturally normal in France, and not seen as the same life-shattering deception as it is here. " I've heard so too, yet I'll bet there are just as many unhappy people there | |||
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"The celebrated French author Veronique Ovalde wrote, "Un homme prend une maitresse pour rester avec sa femme, tandis qu'une femme prend un amant pour quitter son mari" (A man takes a mistress to stay with his wife, while a woman takes a lover to leave her husband.) The conversation continues.... Awww. Cheating men are doing it for their wives. How thoughtful and kind of them. But when it's written in French it's so much more sophisticated and liberal, no? From what Ive heard its culturally normal in France, and not seen as the same life-shattering deception as it is here. " Da ferries will be bustin  | |||
"The celebrated French author Veronique Ovalde wrote, "Un homme prend une maitresse pour rester avec sa femme, tandis qu'une femme prend un amant pour quitter son mari" (A man takes a mistress to stay with his wife, while a woman takes a lover to leave her husband.) The conversation continues.... Awww. Cheating men are doing it for their wives. How thoughtful and kind of them. But when it's written in French it's so much more sophisticated and liberal, no? " I like how the women are still sluts though... | |||
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"a lot of the moralising being done on this post is being done by people who see it as an opportunity to make themselves appear more attractive in the context of the overall aims of this site" Or..... and this is a fucking long shot... its how people feel about the subject? But no your righto course.. people like filthy and caseylee defiantly need the help to get meets  | |||
"a lot of the moralising being done on this post is being done by people who see it as an opportunity to make themselves appear more attractive in the context of the overall aims of this site Or..... and this is a fucking long shot... its how people feel about the subject? But no your righto course.. people like filthy and caseylee defiantly need the help to get meets "have i touched a raw nerve? | |||
"a lot of the moralising being done on this post is being done by people who see it as an opportunity to make themselves appear more attractive in the context of the overall aims of this site Or..... and this is a fucking long shot... its how people feel about the subject? But no your righto course.. people like filthy and caseylee defiantly need the help to get meets
have i touched a raw nerve?"Not at all. Do you have any actual response to the fact that your point was completely negated though? | |||
"a lot of the moralising being done on this post is being done by people who see it as an opportunity to make themselves appear more attractive in the context of the overall aims of this site Or..... and this is a fucking long shot... its how people feel about the subject? But no your righto course.. people like filthy and caseylee defiantly need the help to get meets
have i touched a raw nerve?
Not at all. Do you have any actual response to the fact that your point was completely negated though?"just because you dont agree with it doesnt mean its negated. Why in your response did you feel the need to mention two other users? | |||
"a lot of the moralising being done on this post is being done by people who see it as an opportunity to make themselves appear more attractive in the context of the overall aims of this site Or..... and this is a fucking long shot... its how people feel about the subject? But no your righto course.. people like filthy and caseylee defiantly need the help to get meets
have i touched a raw nerve?
Not at all. Do you have any actual response to the fact that your point was completely negated though?
just because you dont agree with it doesnt mean its negated. Why in your response did you feel the need to mention two other users?"Because they are two good examples of posters on this thread who clearly don't need to fake a stance to improve their chances in the overall aims of the site | |||
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"Jeez Enough of the nitty picking. Quit yer silly bickering and nastiness and go out for some fresh air. If ya have nothing nice to say shut de f up! "It is a fine soft day out | |||
"I guess sometimes the guilt and self loathing can build a wall in the brain that stops rational thought and logic, and allows the kind of behaviour that wouldn't be in any way acceptable otherwise." I guess you mean posting this topic and needlessly exposing yourself to public fab bashing by the holier than holy super swingers. | |||
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". I have not tried to stick on a HRT patch while she sleeps yet . " Also not sure if this part is ment to be a joke or a reply to a post I didn't see but yikes | |||
". I have not tried to stick on a HRT patch while she sleeps yet . Also not sure if this part is ment to be a joke or a reply to a post I didn't see but yikes" You don’t know if that’s a joke or not ! | |||
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". I have not tried to stick on a HRT patch while she sleeps yet . Also not sure if this part is ment to be a joke or a reply to a post I didn't see but yikes You don’t know if that’s a joke or not ! " Well yeah... im hoping your not seriously considering it? | |||
"Tbh I can't figure out your motivation to post so many private details on a public fab forum. It's not a healthy thing to do imo. " | |||
"Tbh I can't figure out your motivation to post so many private details on a public fab forum. It's not a healthy thing to do imo. "Yes...l would agree ...it was once mentioned on a previous forum post where a question was asked and the poster got a direct reply on the forum along the lines of ..." asking such a personal question like that in a place like this "....if it really is troubling the OP he should discuss it with close friends or family and not faceless people/profiles of people he will probably never meet in real life..( that of course is not saying he wont get good advice here either its just too much of a personal issue l think for a public forum in a joint like fab ) | |||
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"Sorry Just to be clear . Wanted the narrative out there . Definitely not looking for advice . Option 3 as I said is what I am looking to progressing towards . 4 isn’t happening . Kids thriving. Well no.. your option was talking about not being caught cheating etc. That's fundamentally different to my option where you get agreement from her that you get sex elsewhere. You can do this without betraying the person in your life who trusts you most. Also many many kids continue to thrive with coparents who live separate lives. Mine do. At least that way they see both their parents acting with integrity and don't catch them in disloyalty. That's a path to dysfunction." So true.. option 3 is what we both chose.. best decision of our lives.. | |||
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"The celebrated French author Veronique Ovalde wrote, "Un homme prend une maitresse pour rester avec sa femme, tandis qu'une femme prend un amant pour quitter son mari" (A man takes a mistress to stay with his wife, while a woman takes a lover to leave her husband.) The conversation continues.... Awww. Cheating men are doing it for their wives. How thoughtful and kind of them. But when it's written in French it's so much more sophisticated and liberal, no? From what Ive heard its culturally normal in France, and not seen as the same life-shattering deception as it is here. I've heard so too, yet I'll bet there are just as many unhappy people there" I can assure you that cheating is cheating no matter what And that looking else where when found out destroys as many lifes there as it does here. | |||
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"He is choosing a way to live, his life, his needs, his desires, his passions. His responsibility. And he is representative of many men in the same situation.. who don't talk about it to anyone. Can you imagine what that does to them over a lifetime? " Not sure society needs more men making decisions that solely benefit themselves.... | |||
"He is choosing a way to live, his life, his needs, his desires, his passions. His responsibility. And he is representative of many men in the same situation.. who don't talk about it to anyone. Can you imagine what that does to them over a lifetime? Not sure society needs more men making decisions that solely benefit themselves.... " Better than women making the decisions. Can you imagine!!-O  | |||
"He is choosing a way to live, his life, his needs, his desires, his passions. His responsibility. And he is representative of many men in the same situation.. who don't talk about it to anyone. Can you imagine what that does to them over a lifetime? Not sure society needs more men making decisions that solely benefit themselves.... Better than women making the decisions. Can you imagine!!-O "indeed. it would be bliss. far better place imo | |||
"This is an excellent thread. Multiple opinions. And the OP's long answer above is his choice to publish. He is choosing a way to live, his life, his needs, his desires, his passions. His responsibility. And he is representative of many men in the same situation.. who don't talk about it to anyone. Can you imagine what that does to them over a lifetime?. Yes, there are others involved, but I'm focusing solely on the OP and his situation. If you want to be a voyeur for a bit, go over to Fabguys, and see the forum posts from so many men on this same topic, and how supportive those posters are of each other. For a broader world view watch podcasts by Esther Perel, and Suzanne Venker,.. Esther's advice to women.. " if you're not having sex with him, another woman will". To understand why men and women are biologically different, read Sex at Dawn, on swinging, polyamoury, promiscuity, sex, etc. I now withdraw from the fray. " Or perhaps, instead of trying to justify your actions by listening to podcasts, Listen to yourself and the inner voice which is telling you it's wrong! He clearly knows he is giving in to instant gratification, otherwise he wouldn't be posting this thread! One way or another his situation will come to a head. He'll get caught, fall in love and leave her, or resent her having to do this and again, leave her. These situations usually don't end well. It's clear they can't communicate their needs to each other and that in itself, is a receipe for disaster. | |||
"Sorry Just to be clear . Wanted the narrative out there . Definitely not looking for advice . Option 3 as I said is what I am looking to progressing towards . 4 isn’t happening . Kids thriving. " The kids will still thrive without you there. | |||
"Again... having the intimate details of my perceived failings as a partner laid out for a group of strangers on a sex site would be more of a betrayal than any cheating. This is an enormous, unforgiveable breach of privacy and trust. I hope she never finds out how callous you are. " Better still, she finds out. She is far better off making her own decisions rather than a cheating husband deciding that she can't have that choice. | |||
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"Jesus wept. The sense of privilege is sickening. Sort out your mess OP. Go to some individual therapy to help you find your way..Be honest with yourself and those you love? And care about. Man up and talk to your wife and leave. Stop with the kids BS. Your already messing around with a couples profile and all this will not end well. If your found out, your kids will hate you -for everything! Initially it can be hard, painful and tricky but in the end ,you’ll grow and learn from the experience and hopefully you’ll be a better person from it. " | |||
"Jesus wept. The sense of privilege is sickening. Sort out your mess OP. Go to some individual therapy to help you find your way..Be honest with yourself and those you love? And care about. Man up and talk to your wife and leave. Stop with the kids BS. Your already messing around with a couples profile and all this will not end well. If your found out, your kids will hate you -for everything! Initially it can be hard, painful and tricky but in the end ,you’ll grow and learn from the experience and hopefully you’ll be a better person from it. " That will get you points with the "in" crowd | |||
"Jesus wept. The sense of privilege is sickening. Sort out your mess OP. Go to some individual therapy to help you find your way..Be honest with yourself and those you love? And care about. Man up and talk to your wife and leave. Stop with the kids BS. Your already messing around with a couples profile and all this will not end well. If your found out, your kids will hate you -for everything! Initially it can be hard, painful and tricky but in the end ,you’ll grow and learn from the experience and hopefully you’ll be a better person from it. That will get you points with the "in" crowd "I couldn’t care less. That wasn't the objective of my post. | |||
"Jesus wept. The sense of privilege is sickening. Sort out your mess OP. Go to some individual therapy to help you find your way..Be honest with yourself and those you love? And care about. Man up and talk to your wife and leave. Stop with the kids BS. Your already messing around with a couples profile and all this will not end well. If your found out, your kids will hate you -for everything! Initially it can be hard, painful and tricky but in the end ,you’ll grow and learn from the experience and hopefully you’ll be a better person from it. That will get you points with the "in" crowd
I couldn’t care less. That wasn't the objective of my post.
"Ah no buddy your a single male. The only reason you could possibly have an opinion is to get the ride. | |||
"Jesus wept. The sense of privilege is sickening. Sort out your mess OP. Go to some individual therapy to help you find your way..Be honest with yourself and those you love? And care about. Man up and talk to your wife and leave. Stop with the kids BS. Your already messing around with a couples profile and all this will not end well. If your found out, your kids will hate you -for everything! Initially it can be hard, painful and tricky but in the end ,you’ll grow and learn from the experience and hopefully you’ll be a better person from it. That will get you points with the "in" crowd "Who is the 'in crowd '????? | |||
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"Those who believe they are in it know. I am not" I totally fail to see your point in relation to a reasoned response to the thread | |||
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"Jesus wept. The sense of privilege is sickening. Sort out your mess OP. Go to some individual therapy to help you find your way..Be honest with yourself and those you love? And care about. Man up and talk to your wife and leave. Stop with the kids BS. Your already messing around with a couples profile and all this will not end well. If your found out, your kids will hate you -for everything! Initially it can be hard, painful and tricky but in the end ,you’ll grow and learn from the experience and hopefully you’ll be a better person from it. That will get you points with the "in" crowd
I couldn’t care less. That wasn't the objective of my post.
Ah no buddy your a single male. The only reason you could possibly have an opinion is to get the ride."You know me so so well. Funny guy. | |||
"Those who believe they are in it know. I am not I totally fail to see your point in relation to a reasoned response to the thread " Don't beat yourself up about it. We can't be good at everything.?? | |||
"Those who believe they are in it know. I am not I totally fail to see your point in relation to a reasoned response to the thread Don't beat yourself up about it. We can't be good at everything.??" Maybe u cant | |||
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"I can't. And I know I can't. Some people can't but don't know they can't or can't accept they can't. Now. Wasn't that alot of can'ts? "I can | |||
"I can't. And I know I can't. Some people can't but don't know they can't or can't accept they can't. Now. Wasn't that alot of can'ts?
I can "BURN!! class. | |||
"I can't. And I know I can't. Some people can't but don't know they can't or can't accept they can't. Now. Wasn't that alot of can'ts?
I can "Fair play then | |||
