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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Ok, please allow me to explain.
A psychologist friend of mine was explaining me how sex is always about yourself, and never about your partner, hence, being a selfish act.
It's easy to imagine a guy asking for a blowjob while unwilling to go down on her as him being selfish.
But let's say a man wants to eat a girl out until her legs can't stop shaking without asking for anal or a 3some, lol. That sounds quite the opposite of selfish, right?
See, the idea behind this line of thinking is that we are getting what we desire. This guy is not doing that oral to please her but to fulfill his own desires, his own fantasies.
Have your mind ever wandered to a place full of your fantasies while you're having sex just to help you get there?
Have you ever fucked someone and imagined them to be someone else?
This is what I could grasp from that conversation. It's not easy to put through an idea you don't fully understand, but I hope it's ok. Just remember that this is about the mind.
What are your two cents about it? Would you agree or disagree?
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By (user no longer on site)
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If you want to see it that way, all human interaction is "selfish" to a degree, e.g. we are "nice" to people so they will like us, we make charitable contributions so we can feel good about ourselves. And why wouldn't we, unless you're a doormat, your own needs come into play
I suppose the question is whether the benefits to you come at a greater price to the other party.... |
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It's there's mutual pleasure does it really matter?
The only time it would be an issue is when one partner has no interest in the others pleasure in whatever form that may take and is truly selfish. |
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I make it very clear on my profile that I'm only interested in mutual pleasure therefore I don't meet without chatting first. If those conversations are all one way and they show little or no interest in me it won't be going any further. Is that selfish? Of course it is and I'm good with that. |
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ALL of our motivations are selfish, whether that be looking after others, doing charity work or just being nice. We do it ultimately because it makes us feel good about ourselves, we sleep better at night.
People generally disagree with me and some take offence, but it is absolutely true, we wouldn't survive in this world if we weren't selfish. So yes, sex is selfish. Mrs  |
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But let's say a man wants to eat a girl out until her legs can't stop shaking without asking for anal or a 3some, lol. That sounds quite the opposite of selfish, right?
See, the idea behind this line of thinking is that we are getting what we desire. This guy is not doing that oral to please her but to fulfill his own desires, his own fantasies.
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I feel like this is already commonly understood among women?? I get a lot of these offers and (to me and others) they are not appealing. Some stranger coming over to eat me out for hours can't be about me and my wants and needs because they don't know me in the slightest - it's 100% about them. Same for people who are like "just tell me what you want me to do to you, I'll do whatever you want"... That's not appealing and nor is it selfless, it's actually putting all of the responsibility for the interaction on to your partner. |
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
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In a fab environment it certainly is, we're here to look for sex, what drive us in the first place is your own horniness. The fact that your partner gets pleasure out of it hightens your own pleasure. Although the latter isn't always given or cared about and that's when it gets onesided and becomes a really obvious selfish act. |
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"Hmmm interesting question. My thing is the partners pleasure is most important so is that selfish or not ?"
It is selfish because if she wasn't enjoying it then you wouldn't be happy, so one could argue that you're doing it for your own happiness. It's just a different perspective and it's not a bad thing really to be selfish when you see it like that |
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By (user no longer on site)
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What an interesting point op. And what thoughtful responses all who followed.
Perhaps one angle is identity. We're well conditioned to think of ourselves as name, nationality, gender, cultural affinities etc. But sexual desire is surely a rather biological thing, not a cultural thing. So if in the blissful moments we forget about who we are, what 'tribe' we belong to/what we allow to own us, would it not seem evident that the experience involves joy which comes from mutual enjoyment?
Perhaps its not so much that sex is selfish, but that the societal notion of selfishness is an intellectual notion which is not rooted in how our bodies work.
Enough of my rambling! |
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This is just an extension of the idea in psychology that there is no such thing as a selfless act
Ex... donating to the homeless is about your feeling of pride for helping not actually about helping
I'm not studied in the area but I don't really buy it but I can see how it can be true too
I'm sure there is a school of thought or theory that goes against this idea
Any outside of the sexual norm psychologists on this thread
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By (user no longer on site)
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At the end of the day, altruistic tendencies in humans developed because they improve society as a whole. So all acts of kindness are there to benefit the selfish gene. |
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I agree with the previous but the whole naming the gene and behaviour the 'selfish' gene puts connotations on it that are heavy with stigma and meaning. Obviously humans are social animals so it makes sense that we get a chemical signal/feeling when doing things that help/improve our and others feeling etc
It would make no evolutionary sense to feel bad or disgusted when helping, aiding, riding etc!
Though the Catholic Church had this anti evolutionary stand on the ol sexy time |
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There is no such thing as a selfless act - Joey from friends
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. Me and my friend were trying for a while to thing if an exception. You would have to help some one you hate and really really not want to. Perhaps there is other examples but it's hard to think of. As said above, nature has intended us to feel nice being nice - some times, because it's nice to be nice. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Your friend might need to update his knowledge. Defiantly a lot of selfless acts involved in sex and pleasure. The ideal is when you get pleasure from being selfless. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" The ideal is when you get pleasure from being selfless.
... If you get pleasure from it it's not selfless tho.
Isn't there a Friends episode about this? "
If you gaze your eye 3 posts up, you may be pleasantly surprised |
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By *ettaManMan
over a year ago
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"What are your two cents about it? Would you agree or disagree?
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Supposedly, sex can also be used to transcend 'the self' and join two lovers in union with the divine consciousness.
A guy who went to my school was telling us he did it. |
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"Ok, please allow me to explain.
A psychologist friend of mine was explaining me how sex is always about yourself, and never about your partner, hence, being a selfish act.
It's easy to imagine a guy asking for a blowjob while unwilling to go down on her as him being selfish.
But let's say a man wants to eat a girl out until her legs can't stop shaking without asking for anal or a 3some, lol. That sounds quite the opposite of selfish, right?
See, the idea behind this line of thinking is that we are getting what we desire. This guy is not doing that oral to please her but to fulfill his own desires, his own fantasies.
Have your mind ever wandered to a place full of your fantasies while you're having sex just to help you get there?
Have you ever fucked someone and imagined them to be someone else?
This is what I could grasp from that conversation. It's not easy to put through an idea you don't fully understand, but I hope it's ok. Just remember that this is about the mind.
What are your two cents about it? Would you agree or disagree?
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psychologist's do tend to overthink things. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Couldn't agree more with the last post above. Psychologists and seemingly all intellectual types seem to over think things. What if we disregard all the tosh about identity and 'me' in 'the world', and imagine that all of the cr*p we're conditioned to value so much, like who we are, and instead thing of the 'self' as a useless illusion. Then we are just bodies interacting.
And naturally there can be selflessness if there is love.
I'll shut up now |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" The ideal is when you get pleasure from being selfless.
... If you get pleasure from it it's not selfless tho.
Isn't there a Friends episode about this? "
I once let a bee sting me, just so it would look tough on front of its other bee friends. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Couldn't agree more with the last post above. Psychologists and seemingly all intellectual types seem to over think things. What if we disregard all the tosh about identity and 'me' in 'the world', and imagine that all of the cr*p we're conditioned to value so much, like who we are, and instead thing of the 'self' as a useless illusion. Then we are just bodies interacting.
And naturally there can be selflessness if there is love.
I'll shut up now "
But isn't love just another useless illusion then? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What are your two cents about it? Would you agree or disagree?
Supposedly, sex can also be used to transcend 'the self' and join two lovers in union with the divine consciousness.
A guy who went to my school was telling us he did it."
Seriously, what does that even mean? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Couldn't agree more with the last post above. Psychologists and seemingly all intellectual types seem to over think things. What if we disregard all the tosh about identity and 'me' in 'the world', and imagine that all of the cr*p we're conditioned to value so much, like who we are, and instead thing of the 'self' as a useless illusion. Then we are just bodies interacting.
And naturally there can be selflessness if there is love.
I'll shut up now
But isn't love just another useless illusion then? "
That's a very good point, I hadn't thought of that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Couldn't agree more with the last post above. Psychologists and seemingly all intellectual types seem to over think things. What if we disregard all the tosh about identity and 'me' in 'the world', and imagine that all of the cr*p we're conditioned to value so much, like who we are, and instead thing of the 'self' as a useless illusion. Then we are just bodies interacting.
And naturally there can be selflessness if there is love.
I'll shut up now "
I was thinking of this today actually. It may be the closest thing to an ideal. You want everything good for them, and they want everything good for you. Some where in there its something good. An illusion to hang your hat on.;-)
Speaking to illusions. I think many top Neuro people and those before then say.. reality is just a hallucination we all agree on. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Couldn't agree more with the last post above. Psychologists and seemingly all intellectual types seem to over think things. What if we disregard all the tosh about identity and 'me' in 'the world', and imagine that all of the cr*p we're conditioned to value so much, like who we are, and instead thing of the 'self' as a useless illusion. Then we are just bodies interacting.
And naturally there can be selflessness if there is love.
I'll shut up now
But isn't love just another useless illusion then? "
Love is just a chemical reaction that compels two people to stay close physical proximity to each other, so that the mother has the man's undivided care in raising the child, and the father can be confident that he is not raising someone else's offspring. |
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"Couldn't agree more with the last post above. Psychologists and seemingly all intellectual types seem to over think things. What if we disregard all the tosh about identity and 'me' in 'the world', and imagine that all of the cr*p we're conditioned to value so much, like who we are, and instead thing of the 'self' as a useless illusion. Then we are just bodies interacting.
And naturally there can be selflessness if there is love.
I'll shut up now
But isn't love just another useless illusion then?
Love is just a chemical reaction that compels two people to stay close physical proximity to each other, so that the mother has the man's undivided care in raising the child, and the father can be confident that he is not raising someone else's offspring. "
That doesn't seem to be working particularly well for a lot of families |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Couldn't agree more with the last post above. Psychologists and seemingly all intellectual types seem to over think things. What if we disregard all the tosh about identity and 'me' in 'the world', and imagine that all of the cr*p we're conditioned to value so much, like who we are, and instead thing of the 'self' as a useless illusion. Then we are just bodies interacting.
And naturally there can be selflessness if there is love.
I'll shut up now
But isn't love just another useless illusion then?
Love is just a chemical reaction that compels two people to stay close physical proximity to each other, so that the mother has the man's undivided care in raising the child, and the father can be confident that he is not raising someone else's offspring.
That doesn't seem to be working particularly well for a lot of families"
Ah well, for about 200,000 years we lived in societies without taxes or pensions, or government aid, and you had to physically hunt and kill to survive. Our society has changed much faster than our brains can evolve. |
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that is a pretty mind searching question, but based on FAB being a sex site do we accept that we are all here for the same self centred sexual gratification. That being the case we are all in common ground . The secret is to find the individual or individuals that have sexual needs that are complementary to our own which ultimately will generate a balance of personal sexual satisfaction for both/all parties |
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"What are your two cents about it? Would you agree or disagree?
Supposedly, sex can also be used to transcend 'the self' and join two lovers in union with the divine consciousness.
A guy who went to my school was telling us he did it.
Seriously, what does that even mean?"
Well myths and fantasies speak of these things, and many myths actually end up being right and onto something.
Experiment were done where it has been shown that two brains can sync up under certain conditions (given they are biological electromagnetic devices, and we have yet to fully understand how quantum entanglement works), having sex being one of them.
In those situations yes, the bodies involved have described being connected, transcendental, astrally projected, whatever phrase and paradigm you choose to express it in... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What are your two cents about it? Would you agree or disagree?
Supposedly, sex can also be used to transcend 'the self' and join two lovers in union with the divine consciousness.
A guy who went to my school was telling us he did it.
Seriously, what does that even mean?
Well myths and fantasies speak of these things, and many myths actually end up being right and onto something.
Experiment were done where it has been shown that two brains can sync up under certain conditions (given they are biological electromagnetic devices, and we have yet to fully understand how quantum entanglement works), having sex being one of them.
In those situations yes, the bodies involved have described being connected, transcendental, astrally projected, whatever phrase and paradigm you choose to express it in... "
Hmm, I can believe in the possibility of telepathic connection and communication, but the physical sexual act could merely be incidental to a close emotional bond between the two perhaps? |
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Hmm, I can believe in the possibility of telepathic connection and communication, but the physical sexual act could merely be incidental to a close emotional bond between the two perhaps?"
Well, there would have to be a period of synchronisation, ie... Live together for a long time, talk to each other, exchanging fantasies, anything that would put the two on the same track... But yeah, this is veering off topic and is going into sci-fi and/or parapsychology territory so... Let's not go down that rabbit hole |
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