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By *og-Man OP Man
over a year ago
somewhere |
So it looks like on Monday the hackers are going to release private medical records on to the internet unless they're paid the ransom
Some solicitors already offering their services to sue The HSE on anyone's behalf that wants to put in a claim
Without getting too personal about your private info on here would you care enough to sue The HSE if someone could read your medical history on a website
Personally couldn't give a toss
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Wouldn't bother me but the opportunists or scammers that will use the info to get money etc out of people is worrying. Even with all the warnings of fraud etc in this country people are been caught out daily. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I’ve nothing to hide medically, so not too bothered. It’s still worrying that personal data is being released....I’m sure it’s terrifying for some.
I had my bank details leaked before and it felt very much a like a violation. All funds were returned but it still leaves you feeling weird. |
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By *yesgreenMan
over a year ago
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"Got an anonymous call earlier saying they'd release details of my penis enlargement surgery  "
My friend had a offer to have his knee fixed cheaper then HSE and he has been waiting 5 years , Maybe it’s the people fighting back from extortionate health care in Ireland |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Medical confidentiality is a joke anyway, while in hospital a couple of weeks ago on several occasions staff stood near my bed audibly discussing other patients.
I don't personally give a shit who sees my medical records, however I'm sure it will cause distress to some. No surprise the legal profession is looking to cash in either  |
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By *og-Man OP Man
over a year ago
somewhere |
"Got an anonymous call earlier saying they'd release details of my penis enlargement surgery My friend had a offer to have his knee fixed cheaper then HSE and he has been waiting 5 years , Maybe it’s the people fighting back from extortionate health care in Ireland "
There's always been an option to pay for the operation yourself or to use the scheme where The HSE pays for you to have it outside the state
I believe the Healy Raes organise buses to drive up the North for their constituents to have operations |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I got my massive ears pinned back when I was 8 as the Mother said to the doctor I wouldn't find a husband. I'm totally fine with the world knowing that I used to be called Ear Lingus  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Got an anonymous call earlier saying they'd release details of my penis enlargement surgery "
Bahahahaha  Too Funny Pics included in the release yea... Before & After  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I got my massive ears pinned back when I was 8 as the Mother said to the doctor I wouldn't find a husband. I'm totally fine with the world knowing that I used to be called Ear Lingus "
I was going to ask if the name every took off but you might think I'm trolling. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I got my massive ears pinned back when I was 8 as the Mother said to the doctor I wouldn't find a husband. I'm totally fine with the world knowing that I used to be called Ear Lingus I was going to ask if the name every took off but you might think I'm trolling. "
Oh it certainly did "take off" I was the most popular girl in the playground with my imaginary plane |
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By *iscuits8Man
over a year ago
Meath / Dublin / Birmingham |
"Got an anonymous call earlier saying they'd release details of my penis enlargement surgery
Bahahahaha Too Funny Pics included in the release yea... Before & After "
"Wow they did a great job"
"What are you on about, they're the BEFORE pics, wha!"
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By *yesgreenMan
over a year ago
north and south |
"Got an anonymous call earlier saying they'd release details of my penis enlargement surgery
Bahahahaha Too Funny Pics included in the release yea... Before & After
"Wow they did a great job"
"What are you on about, they're the BEFORE pics, wha!"
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I got called jumbo at school lol kids can be cruel , Ear today gone tmro |
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It's not really going to affect us but more the higher ups the government basically has 3 choices in hopes to fix this
1. hire a hacker or two to counter the original hackers
2. pay the ransome but doing so won't stop them from doing it again
3. Payout to upgrade our systems as some are still using windows 7 where there is now no protection on them
Up or down the government has been caught with their pants down so will have to payout something to somewhere |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Can anyone give an example of where the release of medical I formation is an actual big issue?
(Asthma)
Irish Busy-body 1: Oh I always knew it about him, always wheezing about the place coughing himself to sleep, the cheek of him, owah!
Irish Busy-body 2: Yeah your right girl, don't get me started. I always thought it too, sure he used to be huffing those things all the time like it was going out of fashion...trying to get relief suuure Oohh...The apple doesn't fall far from the tree there Linda, I can tell you that there now.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Can anyone give an example of where the release of medical I formation is an actual big issue?
(Asthma)
Irish Busy-body 1: Oh I always knew it about him, always wheezing about the place coughing himself to sleep, the cheek of him, owah!
Irish Busy-body 2: Yeah your right girl, don't get me started. I always thought it too, sure he used to be huffing those things all the time like it was going out of fashion...trying to get relief suuure Oohh...The apple doesn't fall far from the tree there Linda, I can tell you that there now.
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There are still plenty medical conditions and procedures that carry a stigma for some...
HIV, abortion, mental health records etc...
Probably a tiny minority but it's the HSE they are holding tonrensom rather than the individuals |
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"Can anyone give an example of where the release of medical I formation is an actual big issue?
(Asthma)
Irish Busy-body 1: Oh I always knew it about him, always wheezing about the place coughing himself to sleep, the cheek of him, owah!
Irish Busy-body 2: Yeah your right girl, don't get me started. I always thought it too, sure he used to be huffing those things all the time like it was going out of fashion...trying to get relief suuure Oohh...The apple doesn't fall far from the tree there Linda, I can tell you that there now.
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Having an abortion and not telling your husband?
A priest getting his chlamydia treated?
A tv presenter having a hair transplant?
.. I guess its a question of data protection responsibility. Cases have been brought against private companies who don't protect data adequately. The same laws apply to the public sector. Laws need to be applied equally to everyone. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well I suppose I didn't think about it too hard hahaha.
Surely some expert hackers attacking in some new-fangled ways won't lead to too much sueing? (Of course it could). It's just it's like something we have not truly expireanced before. I get blaming them if they don't handle it well. But trying to prevent it might of been very hard or impossible. |
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Botton line is if you hold personal data then you are responsible for protecting it from threats exactly like this.
Ireland has imposed €715,000 in fines under the GDPR since it came into effect in May 2018.
You can't very well fine the private sector and allow the public sector to get away with this kind of thing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The decryption key to unlock the HSE cyber attacked data has now been made available. The Minister for Health, Stephen Donnelly says “no ransom was paid by the Irish State.”"
Paid by a private party?
This kind of attack has been happening world wide for years... to both public and private bodies.
It's the modern day protection racket |
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To anyone interested in the details... this was an attack using the conti ransomware malware and cobalt strike. This is a great guide to how this is generally done...
https://news.sophos.com/en-us/2021/02/16/what-to-expect-when-youve-been-hit-with-conti-ransomware/ |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We give information to everyone, Google, Netflix, Facebook, Amazon or Tesco but that is given by us
To have a State organisation hacked in such a manner should have someone resigning
Yes, I would consider suing...think if you showed up for a job interview and maybe your medical details were known to the interviewers !! |
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By *affa31Woman
over a year ago
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Is suing an organisation that is already not well enough funded really the answer?
They need to learn from this and move forward not be tied up in court.
As for my info, thankfully I’m in a position to not have any skeletons in the closet, unless people are interested in the weird things that happen to me. I’m sure it’s worrying for people who have kept things from their family and friends for whatever reason. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is suing an organisation that is already not well enough funded really the answer?
They need to learn from this and move forward not be tied up in court.
As for my info, thankfully I’m in a position to not have any skeletons in the closet, unless people are interested in the weird things that happen to me. I’m sure it’s worrying for people who have kept things from their family and friends for whatever reason. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They need to learn from this and move forward not be tied up in court. "
So the people in charge survive with no consequences ??
HSE and Dept of Health have a long history of making families fight them in court for what families are entitled to.
Disabled Children, Bridget McCaul, Mother and Baby Homes, the list is endless yet no one is responsible |
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"Is suing an organisation that is already not well enough funded really the answer?
They need to learn from this and move forward not be tied up in court.
As for my info, thankfully I’m in a position to not have any skeletons in the closet, unless people are interested in the weird things that happen to me. I’m sure it’s worrying for people who have kept things from their family and friends for whatever reason. "
I agree that private citizens shouldn't be suing the HSE for this unless they have a significant material loss as a result of the breach, and even then its questionable. There should be a minimal fine given however to show that we take data protection breaches seriously and to encourage better security going forward. |
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By *affa31Woman
over a year ago
Galway |
"They need to learn from this and move forward not be tied up in court.
So the people in charge survive with no consequences ??
HSE and Dept of Health have a long history of making families fight them in court for what families are entitled to.
Disabled Children, Bridget McCaul, Mother and Baby Homes, the list is endless yet no one is responsible "
I’m not saying there shouldn’t be any consequences. If there are clear holes there then the executives in charge of the IT system should be removed and replaced with competent people.
I just don’t believe that shelling out a ton of money for lawsuits is the answer to the problem. Obviously if someone suffers a huge loss due to their information being shared, they should be compensated but your average Joe has zero reason to be contemplating any sort of lawsuit.
Also, this is slightly different to families fighting for their rights. |
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What would suing the HSE achieve, you get a payout but your records are still on the Web. Does that mean money makes it all OK and your not upset anymore.
Why do we have to sue for everything in this country.
I work for the hse and they do their best to protect everyone's information.
I think if the HSE said they are going to spend €1bn on IT infrastructure there would be uproar that it wasn't being spent on more important things.
Just can't keep people happy. This was a sophisticated attack that has gotten past much better protection.
But we'll done HSE and GOV for not paying, decryption code arrived, hopefully it will work so we can get back to looking after patients . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Where can you find out about your files I can't even get in to see a Dr
The files are IN the computer!do I get into that through the Web "
Hack into the mainframe, via the INFORMATION SUPER HIGHWAY! |
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By *og-Man OP Man
over a year ago
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"Where can you find out about your files I can't even get in to see a Dr "
If they release files it'll be after monday
An injunction was issued tonight to stop any information from being published |
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
on the hill NordWest of |
So it turns out an employee clicked on the 'wrong' link and that's how they got access. Don't know much about hacking but this doesn't sound like the super sophisticated hacker attack by highly skilled computer computer nerds they (hse & government) first made it sound for us to believe. More like falling for a random phishing attempt and the hackers got lucky. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Got an anonymous call earlier saying they'd release details of my penis enlargement surgery "
My surgery was a bit different,they took 3 inches off and now i have a vagina :-  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So it turns out an employee clicked on the 'wrong' link and that's how they got access. Don't know much about hacking but this doesn't sound like the super sophisticated hacker attack by highly skilled computer computer nerds they (hse & government) first made it sound for us to believe. More like falling for a random phishing attempt and the hackers got lucky. "
Happens daily. It's why large organisations give their staff regular cyber security training refreshers. Most people are shocked how easy it is for this to happen |
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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago
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Perversely, the St.Petersburg extortionists have done the nation a favour; the department that deals with GDPR and date has 160 employees and dedicated facilities whereas there is no current head of cyber security in Ireland; the advertised salary failed to attract the right calibre of candidate.
There needs to be a dedicated organisation comprising representatives from: Irish computer security businesses; Garda Siochana, Oglaigh na hEireann (Irish Army), infrastructure organisations selectivity, water roads, etc., ethical convicted Irish hackers; et al.
This would be headed by an international expert with the power to act (quickly), but able to draw on expertise from the component organisations.
This problem is definitely going to get worse. Within three months this 'action man or woman' needs to be in place.
Ireland needs to wake up to the reality of infrastructure sabotage and ransomware, and learn hard lessons from the HSE attack.
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
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"Perversely, the St.Petersburg extortionists have done the nation a favour; the department that deals with GDPR and date has 160 employees and dedicated facilities whereas there is no current head of cyber security in Ireland; the advertised salary failed to attract the right calibre of candidate.
There needs to be a dedicated organisation comprising representatives from: Irish computer security businesses; Garda Siochana, Oglaigh na hEireann (Irish Army), infrastructure organisations selectivity, water roads, etc., ethical convicted Irish hackers; et al.
This would be headed by an international expert with the power to act (quickly), but able to draw on expertise from the component organisations.
This problem is definitely going to get worse. Within three months this 'action man or woman' needs to be in place.
Ireland needs to wake up to the reality of infrastructure sabotage and ransomware, and learn hard lessons from the HSE attack.
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Yeah let's get one of those super cyber Don Quixotes that can shield us from all those pesky little phishing attempts and pay him/her over the odds. Why does this sound so familiar? |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
Probably some will sue, they won't understand or care that every penny will come directly from front line services and ultimately lead to higher bills for all but that's ok if they get a holiday or a few pints worth of compo |
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By *oo32Man
over a year ago
tipperary |
HSE details so far for myself
Born 1978....
March 1982....got mala stuck up his nose...
July 1983....cannot hear very well...has ear wax that you could set spuds in
August 1983....mala again...
Sept 1985...appears to have cut himself shaving...
1987 to 1997..colds flu and other minor ailments
1999...appears to have a rash on his left buttock that looks a bit like Guatemala if you squint...
2000.. came in hungover and claimed he had the flu
2001...should probably refrain from any activities of that nature until the swelling goes down...
2003.. Mala again..
2005...treated for premature ejaculation
2007....came in with a broken nose.....probably broke it trying to get the mala out..
2009...rang and said he'd like to see the doctor immediately...claimed it burned....
2011....got an erection in front of doctor who was examining him
2013....rang looking to know how to stop the squirts...
2015....the rash is back...
2017...has a bad back...when asked about exercises or physio claimed he has been going for massages...strictly for therapeutic purposes
2018...looked for a cert for a week off work...because cheltenham was on
2019...all quite....
2020....rang...looking to know about viagra....said he only wanted it to stop him falling out of bed
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