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"Have you kids" no, i have cousins and relations who do. I have relations who are teachers. nothing to do with the thread. the thread topic and post is as clear as day, nothing to do with me having kids or not. | |||
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"Have you kidsno, i have cousins and relations who do. I have relations who are teachers. nothing to do with the thread. the thread topic and post is as clear as day, nothing to do with me having kids or not. " Just wondering if you had kids effected by this | |||
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"Have you kidsno, i have cousins and relations who do. I have relations who are teachers. nothing to do with the thread. the thread topic and post is as clear as day, nothing to do with me having kids or not. Just wondering if you had kids effected by this " nothing to do with it. you came in with a reply "have you kids". thats nothing to do with the OP. you can discuss the topic if you want. | |||
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"Im just wondering if you've effected by it or not.....looking for your opinion on the subject " you know I don't have kids because you asked me before. | |||
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"Im just wondering if you've effected by it or not.....looking for your opinion on the subject " you didn't give your opinion. thats usually what someone does when they come in on an OP. | |||
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"I think everyone is happy for the two weeks off of home schooling or actual schooling, from the people I've spoken to. Where are you hearing people complain? " all over the place. I have heard many wanting the school summer hols shortened to make up for lost time as home schooling is not near as effective as been in the classroom. | |||
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"Im just wondering if you've effected by it or not.....looking for your opinion on the subject you know I don't have kids because you asked me before. " No problem...i didn't remember asking before... | |||
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"I think everyone is happy for the two weeks off of home schooling or actual schooling, from the people I've spoken to. Where are you hearing people complain? all over the place. I have heard many wanting the school summer hols shortened to make up for lost time as home schooling is not near as effective as been in the classroom. " Sorry I should clarify... is this speaking to people or phone ins..written articles etc.. I just find it fascinating that usually what you hear about the place is so often the opposite of what I hear from my social circles. | |||
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"I think everyone is happy for the two weeks off of home schooling or actual schooling, from the people I've spoken to. Where are you hearing people complain? all over the place. I have heard many wanting the school summer hols shortened to make up for lost time as home schooling is not near as effective as been in the classroom. Sorry I should clarify... is this speaking to people or phone ins..written articles etc.. I just find it fascinating that usually what you hear about the place is so often the opposite of what I hear from my social circles." people speaking is people speaking no matter where it is, whether its in person, face to face, on articles, on the radio etc. I know from reading an article a few weeks back, aside from covid there is calls to shorten our school summer holidays. nothing to do with the pandemic but the pandemic has highlighted that 3 months is too long. I wouldn't say many teachers would like that though. | |||
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"They need the break! It's been tough going back into a demanding environment.. As great as teachers have been, it's alot different to homeschooling and adjusting to the time schools were closed. They're no different to adults dealing with the changes we've experienced over the last year. Saying kids are resilient simply isn't true.. They need explanations, reassurance, consistency and honesty as much as adults (in kid friendly manner obviously). " ye, i have a friend, his son (16) is in his room a few hours each day doing schoolwork. the father told me the young lad is starting to crack and he can't wait to go back into the classroom. it's hard on teachers but what school kids have entailed with their school life and life outside of school is unreal. | |||
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"We think there shouldn't be any mid-term and there should be a shortened summer holiday. But god forbid you should upset the snowflake teachers and their unions. Btw, we have 4 kids between us, 1 in secondary and 3 in primary." you're entitled to your opinion and others do think similar. | |||
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"I don’t mind them being off for two weeks. I would be keen for my boy to go back after because it’s the social aspect that he would be missing out on. Like me, he is autistic (high functioning if you wanna call it that) and school has done wonders for his social skills and I would hate for him to miss out on that more than anything." yep, so much more to been in school than just schoolwork. | |||
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"people speaking is people speaking no matter where it is, whether its in person, face to face, on articles, on the radio etc. I know from reading an article a few weeks back, aside from covid there is calls to shorten our school summer holidays. nothing to do with the pandemic but the pandemic has highlighted that 3 months is too long. I wouldn't say many teachers would like that though. " I'm genuinely asking though. I'm not sure why you wouldn't just clarify. But anyway my point was its funny how we all hear different things out in the world | |||
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"people speaking is people speaking no matter where it is, whether its in person, face to face, on articles, on the radio etc. I know from reading an article a few weeks back, aside from covid there is calls to shorten our school summer holidays. nothing to do with the pandemic but the pandemic has highlighted that 3 months is too long. I wouldn't say many teachers would like that though. I'm genuinely asking though. I'm not sure why you wouldn't just clarify. But anyway my point was its funny how we all hear different things out in the world" I wouldn't call it funny, thats the way the world is. | |||
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"I think everyone is happy for the two weeks off of home schooling or actual schooling, from the people I've spoken to. Where are you hearing people complain? all over the place. I have heard many wanting the school summer hols shortened to make up for lost time as home schooling is not near as effective as been in the classroom. " The school year hasnt been shortened. Parents have been given support and online classes from the beginning of this year. If the people you are talking to want schools open longer it's because they want free babysitters not because they kids have missed days. Every teacher we know and have dealt with were on the go morning noon and night prepping classes and correcting work in a completely new environment. | |||
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"Can you imagine what sort effect this on gonna have on the kids if they dont go back school after easter? A lot of teenagers are alright at breaking point. " It's going to be a pain in the ass. We were told yesterday to make sure ours bring all their books home as a precaution. | |||
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"Can you imagine what sort effect this on gonna have on the kids if they dont go back school after easter? A lot of teenagers are alright at breaking point. " Ya hopefully all the adults can follow simple guidelines to hopefully keep the children's education and development as a priority | |||
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"I think everyone is happy for the two weeks off of home schooling or actual schooling, from the people I've spoken to. Where are you hearing people complain? all over the place. I have heard many wanting the school summer hols shortened to make up for lost time as home schooling is not near as effective as been in the classroom. The school year hasnt been shortened. Parents have been given support and online classes from the beginning of this year. If the people you are talking to want schools open longer it's because they want free babysitters not because they kids have missed days. Every teacher we know and have dealt with were on the go morning noon and night prepping classes and correcting work in a completely new environment. " absolutely most parents want schools to return. thats stating the obvious. imagine the burden of parents trying to homeschool with kids on top of everything else they have to do also. | |||
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"Can you imagine what sort effect this on gonna have on the kids if they dont go back school after easter? A lot of teenagers are alright at breaking point. " most deffo. kids are been destroyed. | |||
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"I think everyone is happy for the two weeks off of home schooling or actual schooling, from the people I've spoken to. Where are you hearing people complain? all over the place. I have heard many wanting the school summer hols shortened to make up for lost time as home schooling is not near as effective as been in the classroom. The school year hasnt been shortened. Parents have been given support and online classes from the beginning of this year. If the people you are talking to want schools open longer it's because they want free babysitters not because they kids have missed days. Every teacher we know and have dealt with were on the go morning noon and night prepping classes and correcting work in a completely new environment. absolutely most parents want schools to return. thats stating the obvious. imagine the burden of parents trying to homeschool with kids on top of everything else they have to do also. " Can I ask where you heard that covid has highlighted the fact that 3 months is too long of a break ? Or who highlighted it. | |||
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"Can you imagine what sort effect this on gonna have on the kids if they dont go back school after easter? A lot of teenagers are alright at breaking point. " id say schools will open after Easter having been closed for so long. | |||
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"I think everyone is happy for the two weeks off of home schooling or actual schooling, from the people I've spoken to. Where are you hearing people complain? all over the place. I have heard many wanting the school summer hols shortened to make up for lost time as home schooling is not near as effective as been in the classroom. The school year hasnt been shortened. Parents have been given support and online classes from the beginning of this year. If the people you are talking to want schools open longer it's because they want free babysitters not because they kids have missed days. Every teacher we know and have dealt with were on the go morning noon and night prepping classes and correcting work in a completely new environment. absolutely most parents want schools to return. thats stating the obvious. imagine the burden of parents trying to homeschool with kids on top of everything else they have to do also. Can I ask where you heard that covid has highlighted the fact that 3 months is too long of a break ? Or who highlighted it. " an article i read weeks ago. don't know the author but im not a bit surprised that it was raised. Imo 3 months summer holidays is too long. | |||
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"Imo 3 months summer holidays is too long. " Can I ask your thoughts/reasons for 3 months being too long. I think kids need both that time off and also the idea of that time off during during year... I think alot more kids would disengage with the whole academic year if the summer holidays were shortened... It would all feel like one giant slog through the year. Christ working with 6 weeks holidays as an adults is bad enough  | |||
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"Imo 3 months summer holidays is too long. Can I ask your thoughts/reasons for 3 months being too long. I think kids need both that time off and also the idea of that time off during during year... I think alot more kids would disengage with the whole academic year if the summer holidays were shortened... It would all feel like one giant slog through the year. Christ working with 6 weeks holidays as an adults is bad enough "the length of time in itself. I think the UK have 6 weeks, its ample. there is no need for a 3 month break all in one go. a school year is short enough as it is with the other holidays. | |||
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"Imo 3 months summer holidays is too long. Can I ask your thoughts/reasons for 3 months being too long. I think kids need both that time off and also the idea of that time off during during year... I think alot more kids would disengage with the whole academic year if the summer holidays were shortened... It would all feel like one giant slog through the year. Christ working with 6 weeks holidays as an adults is bad enough the length of time in itself. I think the UK have 6 weeks, its ample. there is no need for a 3 month break all in one go. a school year is short enough as it is with the other holidays. "I think I'll have to raise the point about you making statement's without fact checking again. Kids here don't get 3 months off. I know you don't have kids but you are at pains to point out how much detail friends and family give you in such topics. One can only assume they are winding you up or you are making it up as you go along. It could be a great discussion if you spent the smallest bit of time checking your comments first | |||
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"Imo 3 months summer holidays is too long. Can I ask your thoughts/reasons for 3 months being too long. I think kids need both that time off and also the idea of that time off during during year... I think alot more kids would disengage with the whole academic year if the summer holidays were shortened... It would all feel like one giant slog through the year. Christ working with 6 weeks holidays as an adults is bad enough the length of time in itself. I think the UK have 6 weeks, its ample. there is no need for a 3 month break all in one go. a school year is short enough as it is with the other holidays.
I think I'll have to raise the point about you making statement's without fact checking again. Kids here don't get 3 months off. I know you don't have kids but you are at pains to point out how much detail friends and family give you in such topics. One can only assume they are winding you up or you are making it up as you go along. It could be a great discussion if you spent the smallest bit of time checking your comments first "so kids don't finish on summer hols the end of May and don't go back until the end of August? | |||
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"Imo 3 months summer holidays is too long. Can I ask your thoughts/reasons for 3 months being too long. I think kids need both that time off and also the idea of that time off during during year... I think alot more kids would disengage with the whole academic year if the summer holidays were shortened... It would all feel like one giant slog through the year. Christ working with 6 weeks holidays as an adults is bad enough the length of time in itself. I think the UK have 6 weeks, its ample. there is no need for a 3 month break all in one go. a school year is short enough as it is with the other holidays.
I think I'll have to raise the point about you making statement's without fact checking again. Kids here don't get 3 months off. I know you don't have kids but you are at pains to point out how much detail friends and family give you in such topics. One can only assume they are winding you up or you are making it up as you go along. It could be a great discussion if you spent the smallest bit of time checking your comments first so kids don't finish on summer hols the end of May and don't go back until the end of August? "My school ends end of June and back last week August, teachers usually back week before then | |||
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"Imo 3 months summer holidays is too long. Can I ask your thoughts/reasons for 3 months being too long. I think kids need both that time off and also the idea of that time off during during year... I think alot more kids would disengage with the whole academic year if the summer holidays were shortened... It would all feel like one giant slog through the year. Christ working with 6 weeks holidays as an adults is bad enough the length of time in itself. I think the UK have 6 weeks, its ample. there is no need for a 3 month break all in one go. a school year is short enough as it is with the other holidays.
I think I'll have to raise the point about you making statement's without fact checking again. Kids here don't get 3 months off. I know you don't have kids but you are at pains to point out how much detail friends and family give you in such topics. One can only assume they are winding you up or you are making it up as you go along. It could be a great discussion if you spent the smallest bit of time checking your comments first so kids don't finish on summer hols the end of May and don't go back until the end of August?
My school ends end of June and back last week August, teachers usually back week before then
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"One here who still hasnt gone back, schooling has gone to shit because all the other years are back now so teachers are focussing on the ones actually in school. Homeschooling is completely crap, the year has been completely lost in my oppinion. There should be no half term and the school holidays should be shortened. Just taking the piss now tbh. Mrs S" alot of kids have missed a large chunk of 2 years. | |||
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"I think everyone is happy for the two weeks off of home schooling or actual schooling, from the people I've spoken to. Where are you hearing people complain? all over the place. I have heard many wanting the school summer hols shortened to make up for lost time as home schooling is not near as effective as been in the classroom. " yeah i know some parents saying this too, esp primary school not so much secondary. | |||
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"Imo 3 months summer holidays is too long. Can I ask your thoughts/reasons for 3 months being too long. I think kids need both that time off and also the idea of that time off during during year... I think alot more kids would disengage with the whole academic year if the summer holidays were shortened... It would all feel like one giant slog through the year. Christ working with 6 weeks holidays as an adults is bad enough the length of time in itself. I think the UK have 6 weeks, its ample. there is no need for a 3 month break all in one go. a school year is short enough as it is with the other holidays.
I think I'll have to raise the point about you making statement's without fact checking again. Kids here don't get 3 months off. I know you don't have kids but you are at pains to point out how much detail friends and family give you in such topics. One can only assume they are winding you up or you are making it up as you go along. It could be a great discussion if you spent the smallest bit of time checking your comments first so kids don't finish on summer hols the end of May and don't go back until the end of August?
My school ends end of June and back last week August, teachers usually back week before then
6 weeks or so for kids?"Well 7 or 8 in no way is it 3 months up here | |||
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"Imo 3 months summer holidays is too long. Can I ask your thoughts/reasons for 3 months being too long. I think kids need both that time off and also the idea of that time off during during year... I think alot more kids would disengage with the whole academic year if the summer holidays were shortened... It would all feel like one giant slog through the year. Christ working with 6 weeks holidays as an adults is bad enough the length of time in itself. I think the UK have 6 weeks, its ample. there is no need for a 3 month break all in one go. a school year is short enough as it is with the other holidays.
I think I'll have to raise the point about you making statement's without fact checking again. Kids here don't get 3 months off. I know you don't have kids but you are at pains to point out how much detail friends and family give you in such topics. One can only assume they are winding you up or you are making it up as you go along. It could be a great discussion if you spent the smallest bit of time checking your comments first so kids don't finish on summer hols the end of May and don't go back until the end of August?
My school ends end of June and back last week August, teachers usually back week before then
6 weeks or so for kids?
Well 7 or 8 in no way is it 3 months up here "Yeah it usually averages out around 8 weeks. It's definitely not 3 months | |||
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"Kids up North dont have a 3mth summer break...as someone said they finish end of June and start back last week in August. Any of my Sourthern friends kids dont have either... Maybe different Counties have different rules?! Just wondering OP if you did have kids and you were having to home school them, would your opinion maybe change? " bar you're doing your leaving or junior here, the summer hols is end of May to end of August. if I had kids would I what? | |||
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"Kids up North dont have a 3mth summer break...as someone said they finish end of June and start back last week in August. Any of my Sourthern friends kids dont have either... Maybe different Counties have different rules?! Just wondering OP if you did have kids and you were having to home school them, would your opinion maybe change? bar you're doing your leaving or junior here, the summer hols is end of May to end of August. if I had kids would I what? " Sorry I'll rephrase that what would your thinking be... As in summer hols etc too long? | |||
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"Kids up North dont have a 3mth summer break...as someone said they finish end of June and start back last week in August. Any of my Sourthern friends kids dont have either... Maybe different Counties have different rules?! Just wondering OP if you did have kids and you were having to home school them, would your opinion maybe change? bar you're doing your leaving or junior here, the summer hols is end of May to end of August. if I had kids would I what? Sorry I'll rephrase that what would your thinking be... As in summer hols etc too long? " absolutely. imo 3 months summer hols is to long. the year is short enough as it is and u have other holidays and mid terms thrown into the equation. plenty will think they are too long and plenty will have the other view also. | |||
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"Kids up North dont have a 3mth summer break...as someone said they finish end of June and start back last week in August. Any of my Sourthern friends kids dont have either... Maybe different Counties have different rules?! Just wondering OP if you did have kids and you were having to home school them, would your opinion maybe change? bar you're doing your leaving or junior here, the summer hols is end of May to end of August. if I had kids would I what? Sorry I'll rephrase that what would your thinking be... As in summer hols etc too long? absolutely. imo 3 months summer hols is to long. the year is short enough as it is and u have other holidays and mid terms thrown into the equation. plenty will think they are too long and plenty will have the other view also. " I can only go by the North holidays and my thinking is the kids deserve the 8weeks off.. Helps them to recharge their batteries and to relax and forget about school for awhile!! Although we are living in surreal times atm it also gives parents a bit of breathing space over the holidays from school runs/after school club runs etc | |||
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"Kids up North dont have a 3mth summer break...as someone said they finish end of June and start back last week in August. Any of my Sourthern friends kids dont have either... Maybe different Counties have different rules?! Just wondering OP if you did have kids and you were having to home school them, would your opinion maybe change? bar you're doing your leaving or junior here, the summer hols is end of May to end of August. if I had kids would I what? Sorry I'll rephrase that what would your thinking be... As in summer hols etc too long? absolutely. imo 3 months summer hols is to long. the year is short enough as it is and u have other holidays and mid terms thrown into the equation. plenty will think they are too long and plenty will have the other view also. I can only go by the North holidays and my thinking is the kids deserve the 8weeks off.. Helps them to recharge their batteries and to relax and forget about school for awhile!! Although we are living in surreal times atm it also gives parents a bit of breathing space over the holidays from school runs/after school club runs etc " that's 8 weeks compared to 12. id probably even think 6/7 is enough. I'm adding to that all the other hols they have throughout the year. | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. " It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently | |||
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"Too long for who? The student or the teacher? Or just the parents? Do you know anything about teachers and support staff contracts? Do you know anything about education funding? Its alright for people saying the holidays are too long but if you shorten them then they need extra money to fund the extra opening times. Its not as simple as saying let's open them.. "Well said  | |||
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"Too long for who? The student or the teacher? Or just the parents? Do you know anything about teachers and support staff contracts? Do you know anything about education funding? Its alright for people saying the holidays are too long but if you shorten them then they need extra money to fund the extra opening times. Its not as simple as saying let's open them.. "Indeed. Not to mention contractual issues, budgets are already squeezed | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently " and that's the point I'm making. no need for such a big chunk in one belt. obviously summer is the main time of year but no need for 3 months. I know alot of parents who long for the end of that 3 months lol. | |||
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"Too long for who? The student or the teacher? Or just the parents? Do you know anything about teachers and support staff contracts? Do you know anything about education funding? Its alright for people saying the holidays are too long but if you shorten them then they need extra money to fund the extra opening times. Its not as simple as saying let's open them.. "my aunts husband is a retired school teacher and I laugh listening to him. he regularly tells me the school year is too short and ill use his words, "far too many holidays and the school day is short as it is". I don't personally agree with all that. | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently and that's the point I'm making. no need for such a big chunk in one belt. obviously summer is the main time of year but no need for 3 months. I know alot of parents who long for the end of that 3 months lol. " I'd much rather they get their holidays when there's a half hope of the weather being decent enough to get out and about | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently and that's the point I'm making. no need for such a big chunk in one belt. obviously summer is the main time of year but no need for 3 months. I know alot of parents who long for the end of that 3 months lol. " They had the bloody kids in the first place.....parents shouldn't have them if they can't cope with having them for 3 months.....schools are not babysitting facilities.....  | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently and that's the point I'm making. no need for such a big chunk in one belt. obviously summer is the main time of year but no need for 3 months. I know alot of parents who long for the end of that 3 months lol. I'd much rather they get their holidays when there's a half hope of the weather being decent enough to get out and about" unfortunately thats impossible with irish weather. | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently and that's the point I'm making. no need for such a big chunk in one belt. obviously summer is the main time of year but no need for 3 months. I know alot of parents who long for the end of that 3 months lol. They had the bloody kids in the first place.....parents shouldn't have them if they can't cope with having them for 3 months.....schools are not babysitting facilities..... "there's a reason they say " school are the best days of your life". | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently and that's the point I'm making. no need for such a big chunk in one belt. obviously summer is the main time of year but no need for 3 months. I know alot of parents who long for the end of that 3 months lol. They had the bloody kids in the first place.....parents shouldn't have them if they can't cope with having them for 3 months.....schools are not babysitting facilities..... "its also a nice job for teachers in the overall scheme. not many jobs you get that amount of holidays throughout the whole year. | |||
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"Maybe if you had kids or you were a teacher/assistant etc would your opinion maybe change?! " no. i worked as an SNA earlier on in life. you asked me the question already. its just a matter of opinion as I've already stated. some people will think one way, some another. | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently and that's the point I'm making. no need for such a big chunk in one belt. obviously summer is the main time of year but no need for 3 months. I know alot of parents who long for the end of that 3 months lol. They had the bloody kids in the first place.....parents shouldn't have them if they can't cope with having them for 3 months.....schools are not babysitting facilities..... there's a reason they say " school are the best days of your life". "They also say kids are only kids for a short time... they grow up too quickly....enjoy them while you can | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently and that's the point I'm making. no need for such a big chunk in one belt. obviously summer is the main time of year but no need for 3 months. I know alot of parents who long for the end of that 3 months lol. They had the bloody kids in the first place.....parents shouldn't have them if they can't cope with having them for 3 months.....schools are not babysitting facilities..... its also a nice job for teachers in the overall scheme. not many jobs you get that amount of holidays throughout the whole year. "How insulting to the teaching profession. | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently and that's the point I'm making. no need for such a big chunk in one belt. obviously summer is the main time of year but no need for 3 months. I know alot of parents who long for the end of that 3 months lol. They had the bloody kids in the first place.....parents shouldn't have them if they can't cope with having them for 3 months.....schools are not babysitting facilities..... its also a nice job for teachers in the overall scheme. not many jobs you get that amount of holidays throughout the whole year.
How insulting to the teaching profession. "its not insulting at all. I know many a teacher and I say it to them in joking terms often and they agree. they say its lovely the amount of time off they have. | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently and that's the point I'm making. no need for such a big chunk in one belt. obviously summer is the main time of year but no need for 3 months. I know alot of parents who long for the end of that 3 months lol. They had the bloody kids in the first place.....parents shouldn't have them if they can't cope with having them for 3 months.....schools are not babysitting facilities..... its also a nice job for teachers in the overall scheme. not many jobs you get that amount of holidays throughout the whole year. "As I said do you know anything about teachers contracts? | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently and that's the point I'm making. no need for such a big chunk in one belt. obviously summer is the main time of year but no need for 3 months. I know alot of parents who long for the end of that 3 months lol. They had the bloody kids in the first place.....parents shouldn't have them if they can't cope with having them for 3 months.....schools are not babysitting facilities..... there's a reason they say " school are the best days of your life".
They also say kids are only kids for a short time... they grow up too quickly....enjoy them while you can"that's when they're babies. | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently and that's the point I'm making. no need for such a big chunk in one belt. obviously summer is the main time of year but no need for 3 months. I know alot of parents who long for the end of that 3 months lol. They had the bloody kids in the first place.....parents shouldn't have them if they can't cope with having them for 3 months.....schools are not babysitting facilities..... its also a nice job for teachers in the overall scheme. not many jobs you get that amount of holidays throughout the whole year.
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"Maybe if you had kids or you were a teacher/assistant etc would your opinion maybe change?! no. i worked as an SNA earlier on in life. you asked me the question already. its just a matter of opinion as I've already stated. some people will think one way, some another. " No you didnt you answered when i had rephrased it for you!! | |||
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"Maybe if you had kids or you were a teacher/assistant etc would your opinion maybe change?! no. i worked as an SNA earlier on in life. you asked me the question already. its just a matter of opinion as I've already stated. some people will think one way, some another. No you didnt you answered when i had rephrased it for you!! " I answered its a simple as that. the bottom line is there will be different views on all matters. | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently and that's the point I'm making. no need for such a big chunk in one belt. obviously summer is the main time of year but no need for 3 months. I know alot of parents who long for the end of that 3 months lol. They had the bloody kids in the first place.....parents shouldn't have them if they can't cope with having them for 3 months.....schools are not babysitting facilities..... its also a nice job for teachers in the overall scheme. not many jobs you get that amount of holidays throughout the whole year.
As I said do you know anything about teachers contracts? I know many a teacher, yes. "Knowing teachers and whats in their contracts are completely different. I am contracted to work 38 weeks in a school year. I get paid for those weeks and no more. Most teachers I work with are all on term time only contracts and do NOT get paid over the holidays too | |||
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"Maybe if you had kids or you were a teacher/assistant etc would your opinion maybe change?! no. i worked as an SNA earlier on in life. you asked me the question already. its just a matter of opinion as I've already stated. some people will think one way, some another. No you didnt you answered when i had rephrased it for you!! I answered its a simple as that. the bottom line is there will be different views on all matters. " To suit yourself you did, but sure as you said there's different opinions! | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently and that's the point I'm making. no need for such a big chunk in one belt. obviously summer is the main time of year but no need for 3 months. I know alot of parents who long for the end of that 3 months lol. They had the bloody kids in the first place.....parents shouldn't have them if they can't cope with having them for 3 months.....schools are not babysitting facilities..... its also a nice job for teachers in the overall scheme. not many jobs you get that amount of holidays throughout the whole year.
As I said do you know anything about teachers contracts? I know many a teacher, yes.
Knowing teachers and whats in their contracts are completely different. I am contracted to work 38 weeks in a school year. I get paid for those weeks and no more. Most teachers I work with are all on term time only contracts and do NOT get paid over the holidays too"so all the teachers I know and we blauguard regularly over the time off are lying? I didn't mention one thing about pay. | |||
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"You're just being controversial for the sake of it now. Yet again, another thread that could have actually been a great discussion has been derailed by your myopia " not at all. again, certain people want you to see it from there view and don't like a different opinion. | |||
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"Maybe if you had kids or you were a teacher/assistant etc would your opinion maybe change?! no. i worked as an SNA earlier on in life. you asked me the question already. its just a matter of opinion as I've already stated. some people will think one way, some another. No you didnt you answered when i had rephrased it for you!! I answered its a simple as that. the bottom line is there will be different views on all matters. To suit yourself you did, but sure as you said there's different opinions! " course there is different opinions but that's not liked by fab folk. | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently and that's the point I'm making. no need for such a big chunk in one belt. obviously summer is the main time of year but no need for 3 months. I know alot of parents who long for the end of that 3 months lol. They had the bloody kids in the first place.....parents shouldn't have them if they can't cope with having them for 3 months.....schools are not babysitting facilities..... its also a nice job for teachers in the overall scheme. not many jobs you get that amount of holidays throughout the whole year.
As I said do you know anything about teachers contracts? I know many a teacher, yes.
Knowing teachers and whats in their contracts are completely different. I am contracted to work 38 weeks in a school year. I get paid for those weeks and no more. Most teachers I work with are all on term time only contracts and do NOT get paid over the holidays too"I believe its the same for support staff too and the term time contracted salary averaged over 52 weeks. At least that is the case in my experience | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently and that's the point I'm making. no need for such a big chunk in one belt. obviously summer is the main time of year but no need for 3 months. I know alot of parents who long for the end of that 3 months lol. They had the bloody kids in the first place.....parents shouldn't have them if they can't cope with having them for 3 months.....schools are not babysitting facilities..... its also a nice job for teachers in the overall scheme. not many jobs you get that amount of holidays throughout the whole year.
As I said do you know anything about teachers contracts? I know many a teacher, yes.
Knowing teachers and whats in their contracts are completely different. I am contracted to work 38 weeks in a school year. I get paid for those weeks and no more. Most teachers I work with are all on term time only contracts and do NOT get paid over the holidays too
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" certain people want you to see it from there view and don't like a different opinion. " Yeah, you're prime candidate there. I think it's nonsensical to keep kids in school for longer than they need to be because it's "too much" time off. That's a bizarre concept to me, that a child could have too much free time. They're children. There's plenty of arguments right now about lost time due to Covid, but ultimately I think that we should let go of as many obligations as possible right now and just ride out the rest of the pandemic. Schools being off takes the pressure off working parents, gives teachers some respite, and kids too. They'll be no worse off in the long run, what's the harm. | |||
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"Maybe if you had kids or you were a teacher/assistant etc would your opinion maybe change?! no. i worked as an SNA earlier on in life. you asked me the question already. its just a matter of opinion as I've already stated. some people will think one way, some another. No you didnt you answered when i had rephrased it for you!! I answered its a simple as that. the bottom line is there will be different views on all matters. To suit yourself you did, but sure as you said there's different opinions! course there is different opinions but that's not liked by fab folk. " Ive no bother with sensible opinions from other people.. Whether it be the same as my opinion or not, but it's the way opinions are given across sometimes is the problem. Anyway it's school holidays and teachers your post is about and on that i gave my opinion!! | |||
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" certain people want you to see it from there view and don't like a different opinion. Yeah, you're prime candidate there. I think it's nonsensical to keep kids in school for longer than they need to be because it's "too much" time off. That's a bizarre concept to me, that a child could have too much free time. They're children. There's plenty of arguments right now about lost time due to Covid, but ultimately I think that we should let go of as many obligations as possible right now and just ride out the rest of the pandemic. Schools being off takes the pressure off working parents, gives teachers some respite, and kids too. They'll be no worse off in the long run, what's the harm." that makes me laugh, "ride out the rest of the pandemic". thats like saying everything should remain closed and only resume when the pandemic is fully over. | |||
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"Maybe if you had kids or you were a teacher/assistant etc would your opinion maybe change?! no. i worked as an SNA earlier on in life. you asked me the question already. its just a matter of opinion as I've already stated. some people will think one way, some another. No you didnt you answered when i had rephrased it for you!! I answered its a simple as that. the bottom line is there will be different views on all matters. To suit yourself you did, but sure as you said there's different opinions! course there is different opinions but that's not liked by fab folk. Ive no bother with sensible opinions from other people.. Whether it be the same as my opinion or not, but it's the way opinions are given across sometimes is the problem. Anyway it's school holidays and teachers your post is about and on that i gave my opinion!!" and I gave mine. simple as that. | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently and that's the point I'm making. no need for such a big chunk in one belt. obviously summer is the main time of year but no need for 3 months. I know alot of parents who long for the end of that 3 months lol. They had the bloody kids in the first place.....parents shouldn't have them if they can't cope with having them for 3 months.....schools are not babysitting facilities..... its also a nice job for teachers in the overall scheme. not many jobs you get that amount of holidays throughout the whole year. "And thats how naive you are as to what a teacher does! I have a number of siblings who teach and they do well to get a clean 2 week break during the summer. And a conscientious teacher will get f all time free for mid terms, due to corrections, prep etc. Yes you have the few that swing the lead but you get that in all walks of life. Class time for a teacher is approximately 50% of their job time. Should hols be shorter? IMO No | |||
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"Maybe if you had kids or you were a teacher/assistant etc would your opinion maybe change?! no. i worked as an SNA earlier on in life. you asked me the question already. its just a matter of opinion as I've already stated. some people will think one way, some another. No you didnt you answered when i had rephrased it for you!! I answered its a simple as that. the bottom line is there will be different views on all matters. To suit yourself you did, but sure as you said there's different opinions! course there is different opinions but that's not liked by fab folk. Ive no bother with sensible opinions from other people.. Whether it be the same as my opinion or not, but it's the way opinions are given across sometimes is the problem. Anyway it's school holidays and teachers your post is about and on that i gave my opinion!!" if you have an issue with how an opinion is given, thats not my problem. | |||
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"people criticising that schools are on Easter hols this Friday for 2 weeks having not done "proper" schooling for over 2 months. now I inverted commas proper because id imagine some teachers and pupils/parents are going above and beyond. whats your take on it and should summer holidays be shortened? others think there is a good chance schools won't return until September after the Easter hols. were you looking for schools to reopen and are you happy your children are back/potentially going back? " Another mind melting thread that gets people going.. well done willy..  | |||
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"You're just being controversial for the sake of it now. Yet again, another thread that could have actually been a great discussion has been derailed by your myopia not at all. again, certain people want you to see it from there view and don't like a different opinion. " Contractual obligations and renegotiations, and school budgets are not opinions though. They are actual facts that need to be taken into consideration in any discussion about shortening holidays and lengthening school days | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently and that's the point I'm making. no need for such a big chunk in one belt. obviously summer is the main time of year but no need for 3 months. I know alot of parents who long for the end of that 3 months lol. They had the bloody kids in the first place.....parents shouldn't have them if they can't cope with having them for 3 months.....schools are not babysitting facilities..... its also a nice job for teachers in the overall scheme. not many jobs you get that amount of holidays throughout the whole year.
And thats how naive you are as to what a teacher does!
I have a number of siblings who teach and they do well to get a clean 2 week break during the summer. And a conscientious teacher will get f all time free for mid terms, due to corrections, prep etc.
Yes you have the few that swing the lead but you get that in all walks of life.
Class time for a teacher is approximately 50% of their job time.
Should hols be shorter? IMO No
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"We think there shouldn't be any mid-term and there should be a shortened summer holiday. But god forbid you should upset the snowflake teachers and their unions. Btw, we have 4 kids between us, 1 in secondary and 3 in primary." I’d say you’ve great respect for teachers there with that attitude. Such reasonable people you are | |||
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"You're just being controversial for the sake of it now. Yet again, another thread that could have actually been a great discussion has been derailed by your myopia not at all. again, certain people want you to see it from there view and don't like a different opinion. Contractual obligations and renegotiations, and school budgets are not opinions though. They are actual facts that need to be taken into consideration in any discussion about shortening holidays and lengthening school days" absolutely and could be done. teachers were saying they were shouting from the rooftops that they wanted to return to school during covid but the teachers union were coming out with different ideas. | |||
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"We think there shouldn't be any mid-term and there should be a shortened summer holiday. But god forbid you should upset the snowflake teachers and their unions. Btw, we have 4 kids between us, 1 in secondary and 3 in primary. I’d say you’ve great respect for teachers there with that attitude. Such reasonable people you are "there is some sexy teachers around. | |||
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"Maybe if you had kids or you were a teacher/assistant etc would your opinion maybe change?! no. i worked as an SNA earlier on in life. you asked me the question already. its just a matter of opinion as I've already stated. some people will think one way, some another. No you didnt you answered when i had rephrased it for you!! I answered its a simple as that. the bottom line is there will be different views on all matters. To suit yourself you did, but sure as you said there's different opinions! course there is different opinions but that's not liked by fab folk. Ive no bother with sensible opinions from other people.. Whether it be the same as my opinion or not, but it's the way opinions are given across sometimes is the problem. Anyway it's school holidays and teachers your post is about and on that i gave my opinion!!if you have an issue with how an opinion is given, thats not my problem. " Ummm where exactly did i say it was your problem.. I was answering the comment you made to my post about fab people!!! I'll leave it there because that last reply to my post was just a childish retort tbh... | |||
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"Maybe if you had kids or you were a teacher/assistant etc would your opinion maybe change?! no. i worked as an SNA earlier on in life. you asked me the question already. its just a matter of opinion as I've already stated. some people will think one way, some another. No you didnt you answered when i had rephrased it for you!! I answered its a simple as that. the bottom line is there will be different views on all matters. To suit yourself you did, but sure as you said there's different opinions! course there is different opinions but that's not liked by fab folk. Ive no bother with sensible opinions from other people.. Whether it be the same as my opinion or not, but it's the way opinions are given across sometimes is the problem. Anyway it's school holidays and teachers your post is about and on that i gave my opinion!!if you have an issue with how an opinion is given, thats not my problem. Ummm where exactly did i say it was your problem.. I was answering the comment you made to my post about fab people!!! I'll leave it there because that last reply to my post was just a childish retort tbh..." you asked me the same question twice on the thread having been answered already. | |||
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"Maybe if you had kids or you were a teacher/assistant etc would your opinion maybe change?! no. i worked as an SNA earlier on in life. you asked me the question already. its just a matter of opinion as I've already stated. some people will think one way, some another. No you didnt you answered when i had rephrased it for you!! I answered its a simple as that. the bottom line is there will be different views on all matters. To suit yourself you did, but sure as you said there's different opinions! course there is different opinions but that's not liked by fab folk. Ive no bother with sensible opinions from other people.. Whether it be the same as my opinion or not, but it's the way opinions are given across sometimes is the problem. Anyway it's school holidays and teachers your post is about and on that i gave my opinion!!if you have an issue with how an opinion is given, thats not my problem. Ummm where exactly did i say it was your problem.. I was answering the comment you made to my post about fab people!!! I'll leave it there because that last reply to my post was just a childish retort tbh..." you said you have an issue with the way some opinions are given. | |||
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"I'm a fooking ejit for bothering, same shite different thread. " you were the one got all worked up coming in alrite. | |||
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"I'm a fooking ejit for bothering, same shite different thread. " Same tbh | |||
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"Teachers like nurses are underrated. I can tell you this I wouldn't do either of their jobs for twice their pay. Imagine having to deal with 20 to 30 little dickhead kids all day every day. I'd rather do any other job" lol you think every child in a class is a dickhead? | |||
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"I think everyone is happy for the two weeks off of home schooling or actual schooling, from the people I've spoken to. Where are you hearing people complain? all over the place. I have heard many wanting the school summer hols shortened to make up for lost time as home schooling is not near as effective as been in the classroom. yeah i know some parents saying this too, esp primary school not so much secondary. " You really can’t shorten primary school holidays much shorter than 8 week | |||
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"Teachers like nurses are underrated. I can tell you this I wouldn't do either of their jobs for twice their pay. Imagine having to deal with 20 to 30 little dickhead kids all day every day. I'd rather do any other joblol you think every child in a class is a dickhead?" I'd say yeah ranging from needy , whingy , chatty to just plain dickhead dickheads | |||
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"Teachers like nurses are underrated. I can tell you this I wouldn't do either of their jobs for twice their pay. Imagine having to deal with 20 to 30 little dickhead kids all day every day. I'd rather do any other joblol you think every child in a class is a dickhead? I'd say yeah ranging from needy , whingy , chatty to just plain dickhead dickheads" LOL. | |||
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"I'm a fooking ejit for bothering, same shite different thread. Yeah think ive only got involved in his forum posts a couple of times now... Its pointless. But im sure he'll come back with a childish, stupid reply!!! Same tbh" | |||
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"Teachers like nurses are underrated. I can tell you this I wouldn't do either of their jobs for twice their pay. Imagine having to deal with 20 to 30 little dickhead kids all day every day. I'd rather do any other joblol you think every child in a class is a dickhead? I'd say yeah ranging from needy , whingy , chatty to just plain dickhead dickheads" lol are you involved voluntary in any activities involving children? | |||
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"Kids up North dont have a 3mth summer break...as someone said they finish end of June and start back last week in August. Any of my Sourthern friends kids dont have either... Maybe different Counties have different rules?! Just wondering OP if you did have kids and you were having to home school them, would your opinion maybe change? bar you're doing your leaving or junior here, the summer hols is end of May to end of August. if I had kids would I what? Sorry I'll rephrase that what would your thinking be... As in summer hols etc too long? absolutely. imo 3 months summer hols is to long. the year is short enough as it is and u have other holidays and mid terms thrown into the equation. plenty will think they are too long and plenty will have the other view also. " Bet ye didn’t think they were too long when you were in school | |||
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"Kids up North dont have a 3mth summer break...as someone said they finish end of June and start back last week in August. Any of my Sourthern friends kids dont have either... Maybe different Counties have different rules?! Just wondering OP if you did have kids and you were having to home school them, would your opinion maybe change? bar you're doing your leaving or junior here, the summer hols is end of May to end of August. if I had kids would I what? Sorry I'll rephrase that what would your thinking be... As in summer hols etc too long? absolutely. imo 3 months summer hols is to long. the year is short enough as it is and u have other holidays and mid terms thrown into the equation. plenty will think they are too long and plenty will have the other view also. I can only go by the North holidays and my thinking is the kids deserve the 8weeks off.. Helps them to recharge their batteries and to relax and forget about school for awhile!! Although we are living in surreal times atm it also gives parents a bit of breathing space over the holidays from school runs/after school club runs etc that's 8 weeks compared to 12. id probably even think 6/7 is enough. I'm adding to that all the other hols they have throughout the year. " 6/7 versus 8 is pointless nitpicking | |||
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"Kids up North dont have a 3mth summer break...as someone said they finish end of June and start back last week in August. Any of my Sourthern friends kids dont have either... Maybe different Counties have different rules?! Just wondering OP if you did have kids and you were having to home school them, would your opinion maybe change? bar you're doing your leaving or junior here, the summer hols is end of May to end of August. if I had kids would I what? Sorry I'll rephrase that what would your thinking be... As in summer hols etc too long? absolutely. imo 3 months summer hols is to long. the year is short enough as it is and u have other holidays and mid terms thrown into the equation. plenty will think they are too long and plenty will have the other view also. I can only go by the North holidays and my thinking is the kids deserve the 8weeks off.. Helps them to recharge their batteries and to relax and forget about school for awhile!! Although we are living in surreal times atm it also gives parents a bit of breathing space over the holidays from school runs/after school club runs etc that's 8 weeks compared to 12. id probably even think 6/7 is enough. I'm adding to that all the other hols they have throughout the year. 6/7 versus 8 is pointless nitpicking " whats are u on about? 6/7 in relation to 12. | |||
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"Teachers like nurses are underrated. I can tell you this I wouldn't do either of their jobs for twice their pay. Imagine having to deal with 20 to 30 little dickhead kids all day every day. I'd rather do any other joblol you think every child in a class is a dickhead? I'd say yeah ranging from needy , whingy , chatty to just plain dickhead dickheadslol are you involved voluntary in any activities involving children?" Nope not any more and yes the lads I coached where dickheads at the best of time now I manage a men's team and they can be annoying dickheads too. | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently and that's the point I'm making. no need for such a big chunk in one belt. obviously summer is the main time of year but no need for 3 months. I know alot of parents who long for the end of that 3 months lol. They had the bloody kids in the first place.....parents shouldn't have them if they can't cope with having them for 3 months.....schools are not babysitting facilities..... its also a nice job for teachers in the overall scheme. not many jobs you get that amount of holidays throughout the whole year. "Ever try it? | |||
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"Kids up North dont have a 3mth summer break...as someone said they finish end of June and start back last week in August. Any of my Sourthern friends kids dont have either... Maybe different Counties have different rules?! Just wondering OP if you did have kids and you were having to home school them, would your opinion maybe change? bar you're doing your leaving or junior here, the summer hols is end of May to end of August. if I had kids would I what? Sorry I'll rephrase that what would your thinking be... As in summer hols etc too long? absolutely. imo 3 months summer hols is to long. the year is short enough as it is and u have other holidays and mid terms thrown into the equation. plenty will think they are too long and plenty will have the other view also. Bet ye didn’t think they were too long when you were in school " 3 months? I was bored off my tits after a few weeks. | |||
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"Maybe if you had kids or you were a teacher/assistant etc would your opinion maybe change?! no. i worked as an SNA earlier on in life. you asked me the question already. its just a matter of opinion as I've already stated. some people will think one way, some another. " Why did you stop? | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently and that's the point I'm making. no need for such a big chunk in one belt. obviously summer is the main time of year but no need for 3 months. I know alot of parents who long for the end of that 3 months lol. They had the bloody kids in the first place.....parents shouldn't have them if they can't cope with having them for 3 months.....schools are not babysitting facilities..... its also a nice job for teachers in the overall scheme. not many jobs you get that amount of holidays throughout the whole year.
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"Maybe if you had kids or you were a teacher/assistant etc would your opinion maybe change?! no. i worked as an SNA earlier on in life. you asked me the question already. its just a matter of opinion as I've already stated. some people will think one way, some another. Why did you stop? " none of your business. | |||
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"Kids up North dont have a 3mth summer break...as someone said they finish end of June and start back last week in August. Any of my Sourthern friends kids dont have either... Maybe different Counties have different rules?! Just wondering OP if you did have kids and you were having to home school them, would your opinion maybe change? bar you're doing your leaving or junior here, the summer hols is end of May to end of August. if I had kids would I what? Sorry I'll rephrase that what would your thinking be... As in summer hols etc too long? absolutely. imo 3 months summer hols is to long. the year is short enough as it is and u have other holidays and mid terms thrown into the equation. plenty will think they are too long and plenty will have the other view also. Bet ye didn’t think they were too long when you were in school 3 months? I was bored off my tits after a few weeks. " Could you not write virus threads in chalk on the footpaths...that would have kept you going for a couple of weeks amd you could rewrite them if it rained | |||
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"Teachers like nurses are underrated. I can tell you this I wouldn't do either of their jobs for twice their pay. Imagine having to deal with 20 to 30 little dickhead kids all day every day. I'd rather do any other joblol you think every child in a class is a dickhead? I'd say yeah ranging from needy , whingy , chatty to just plain dickhead dickheadslol are you involved voluntary in any activities involving children? Nope not any more and yes the lads I coached where dickheads at the best of time now I manage a men's team and they can be annoying dickheads too. "did you loose patience? lol | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently and that's the point I'm making. no need for such a big chunk in one belt. obviously summer is the main time of year but no need for 3 months. I know alot of parents who long for the end of that 3 months lol. They had the bloody kids in the first place.....parents shouldn't have them if they can't cope with having them for 3 months.....schools are not babysitting facilities..... its also a nice job for teachers in the overall scheme. not many jobs you get that amount of holidays throughout the whole year.
As I said do you know anything about teachers contracts? I know many a teacher, yes.
Knowing teachers and whats in their contracts are completely different. I am contracted to work 38 weeks in a school year. I get paid for those weeks and no more. Most teachers I work with are all on term time only contracts and do NOT get paid over the holidays tooso all the teachers I know and we blauguard regularly over the time off are lying? I didn't mention one thing about pay. "Others ARE mentioning pay and it’s part of the discussion you clearly want to have It’s a wholesome debate and only discussing your little bit doesn’t address the full issues | |||
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"You're just being controversial for the sake of it now. Yet again, another thread that could have actually been a great discussion has been derailed by your myopia not at all. again, certain people want you to see it from there view and don't like a different opinion. " A bit like yourself sure | |||
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"Kids up North dont have a 3mth summer break...as someone said they finish end of June and start back last week in August. Any of my Sourthern friends kids dont have either... Maybe different Counties have different rules?! Just wondering OP if you did have kids and you were having to home school them, would your opinion maybe change? bar you're doing your leaving or junior here, the summer hols is end of May to end of August. if I had kids would I what? Sorry I'll rephrase that what would your thinking be... As in summer hols etc too long? absolutely. imo 3 months summer hols is to long. the year is short enough as it is and u have other holidays and mid terms thrown into the equation. plenty will think they are too long and plenty will have the other view also. Bet ye didn’t think they were too long when you were in school 3 months? I was bored off my tits after a few weeks. Could you not write virus threads in chalk on the footpaths...that would have kept you going for a couple of weeks amd you could rewrite them if it rained " u must love covid lockdown life. | |||
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"Maybe if you had kids or you were a teacher/assistant etc would your opinion maybe change?! no. i worked as an SNA earlier on in life. you asked me the question already. its just a matter of opinion as I've already stated. some people will think one way, some another. No you didnt you answered when i had rephrased it for you!! I answered its a simple as that. the bottom line is there will be different views on all matters. To suit yourself you did, but sure as you said there's different opinions! course there is different opinions but that's not liked by fab folk. " You’re a prime example | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently and that's the point I'm making. no need for such a big chunk in one belt. obviously summer is the main time of year but no need for 3 months. I know alot of parents who long for the end of that 3 months lol. They had the bloody kids in the first place.....parents shouldn't have them if they can't cope with having them for 3 months.....schools are not babysitting facilities..... its also a nice job for teachers in the overall scheme. not many jobs you get that amount of holidays throughout the whole year.
As I said do you know anything about teachers contracts? I know many a teacher, yes.
Knowing teachers and whats in their contracts are completely different. I am contracted to work 38 weeks in a school year. I get paid for those weeks and no more. Most teachers I work with are all on term time only contracts and do NOT get paid over the holidays too
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"Teachers like nurses are underrated. I can tell you this I wouldn't do either of their jobs for twice their pay. Imagine having to deal with 20 to 30 little dickhead kids all day every day. I'd rather do any other joblol you think every child in a class is a dickhead? I'd say yeah ranging from needy , whingy , chatty to just plain dickhead dickheadslol are you involved voluntary in any activities involving children? Nope not any more and yes the lads I coached where dickheads at the best of time now I manage a men's team and they can be annoying dickheads too. did you loose patience? lol"Not at all I just don't have the time needed to coach youth teams at the moment. Adult teams take less time investment and they train and play at night | |||
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"You're just being controversial for the sake of it now. Yet again, another thread that could have actually been a great discussion has been derailed by your myopia not at all. again, certain people want you to see it from there view and don't like a different opinion. A bit like yourself sure " I'm all for different opinion and then it can be debated. life would be v boring if 2 differing opinions were given and then the convo just stopped. | |||
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"Kids up North dont have a 3mth summer break...as someone said they finish end of June and start back last week in August. Any of my Sourthern friends kids dont have either... Maybe different Counties have different rules?! Just wondering OP if you did have kids and you were having to home school them, would your opinion maybe change? bar you're doing your leaving or junior here, the summer hols is end of May to end of August. if I had kids would I what? Sorry I'll rephrase that what would your thinking be... As in summer hols etc too long? absolutely. imo 3 months summer hols is to long. the year is short enough as it is and u have other holidays and mid terms thrown into the equation. plenty will think they are too long and plenty will have the other view also. Bet ye didn’t think they were too long when you were in school 3 months? I was bored off my tits after a few weeks. " Why does that not surprise me | |||
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"Teachers like nurses are underrated. I can tell you this I wouldn't do either of their jobs for twice their pay. Imagine having to deal with 20 to 30 little dickhead kids all day every day. I'd rather do any other joblol you think every child in a class is a dickhead? I'd say yeah ranging from needy , whingy , chatty to just plain dickhead dickheadslol are you involved voluntary in any activities involving children? Nope not any more and yes the lads I coached where dickheads at the best of time now I manage a men's team and they can be annoying dickheads too. did you loose patience? lol
Not at all I just don't have the time needed to coach youth teams at the moment. Adult teams take less time investment and they train and play at night "ye, kids do take up alot more time. | |||
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"yes I'm talking about secondary. thats obvious. primary finish end of June. as far as I'm aware in UK they finish 23/24 July, back end of August. Big difference. It differs in the devolved nations. England is approx mid-July to end Aug. Scotland approx mid-June to mid-Aug. Not sure about Wales. Incidentally my children have been at school in both England and NI and the actual no. of days is almost the same, just distributed differently and that's the point I'm making. no need for such a big chunk in one belt. obviously summer is the main time of year but no need for 3 months. I know alot of parents who long for the end of that 3 months lol. They had the bloody kids in the first place.....parents shouldn't have them if they can't cope with having them for 3 months.....schools are not babysitting facilities..... its also a nice job for teachers in the overall scheme. not many jobs you get that amount of holidays throughout the whole year.
And thats how naive you are as to what a teacher does!
I have a number of siblings who teach and they do well to get a clean 2 week break during the summer. And a conscientious teacher will get f all time free for mid terms, due to corrections, prep etc.
Yes you have the few that swing the lead but you get that in all walks of life.
Class time for a teacher is approximately 50% of their job time.
Should hols be shorter? IMO No
Read again. I have many teacher friends who love their time off. the amount of people getting offended is comical. "Well of course they love their time off. Don’t you? Maybe a little jealous I’d say  | |||
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"Kids up North dont have a 3mth summer break...as someone said they finish end of June and start back last week in August. Any of my Sourthern friends kids dont have either... Maybe different Counties have different rules?! Just wondering OP if you did have kids and you were having to home school them, would your opinion maybe change? bar you're doing your leaving or junior here, the summer hols is end of May to end of August. if I had kids would I what? Sorry I'll rephrase that what would your thinking be... As in summer hols etc too long? absolutely. imo 3 months summer hols is to long. the year is short enough as it is and u have other holidays and mid terms thrown into the equation. plenty will think they are too long and plenty will have the other view also. Bet ye didn’t think they were too long when you were in school 3 months? I was bored off my tits after a few weeks. Why does that not surprise me" it applies with kids nowadays also.im involved heavily with children. there is more to school than schoolwork. | |||
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"We think there shouldn't be any mid-term and there should be a shortened summer holiday. But god forbid you should upset the snowflake teachers and their unions. Btw, we have 4 kids between us, 1 in secondary and 3 in primary. I’d say you’ve great respect for teachers there with that attitude. Such reasonable people you are there is some sexy teachers around. "Hilariously pointless thing to say. Shows your attitude after you seemingly say you want a reasoned debate | |||
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"Teachers like nurses are underrated. I can tell you this I wouldn't do either of their jobs for twice their pay. Imagine having to deal with 20 to 30 little dickhead kids all day every day. I'd rather do any other joblol you think every child in a class is a dickhead?" So you think they’re all “sexy”? Lol | |||
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"Teachers like nurses are underrated. I can tell you this I wouldn't do either of their jobs for twice their pay. Imagine having to deal with 20 to 30 little dickhead kids all day every day. I'd rather do any other joblol you think every child in a class is a dickhead? So you think they’re all “sexy”? Lol "some of them are. I'm laughing, your coming in quoting every individual post. its hilarious. | |||
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"Kids up North dont have a 3mth summer break...as someone said they finish end of June and start back last week in August. Any of my Sourthern friends kids dont have either... Maybe different Counties have different rules?! Just wondering OP if you did have kids and you were having to home school them, would your opinion maybe change? bar you're doing your leaving or junior here, the summer hols is end of May to end of August. if I had kids would I what? Sorry I'll rephrase that what would your thinking be... As in summer hols etc too long? absolutely. imo 3 months summer hols is to long. the year is short enough as it is and u have other holidays and mid terms thrown into the equation. plenty will think they are too long and plenty will have the other view also. I can only go by the North holidays and my thinking is the kids deserve the 8weeks off.. Helps them to recharge their batteries and to relax and forget about school for awhile!! Although we are living in surreal times atm it also gives parents a bit of breathing space over the holidays from school runs/after school club runs etc that's 8 weeks compared to 12. id probably even think 6/7 is enough. I'm adding to that all the other hols they have throughout the year. 6/7 versus 8 is pointless nitpicking whats are u on about? 6/7 in relation to 12. " As has already been pointed out half of those in school are there for 8 but avoid the point why don’t you and for this specific thing it’s obvious you were suggesting shortening primary from 8 to 6/7 You’re gas | |||
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"Kids up North dont have a 3mth summer break...as someone said they finish end of June and start back last week in August. Any of my Sourthern friends kids dont have either... Maybe different Counties have different rules?! Just wondering OP if you did have kids and you were having to home school them, would your opinion maybe change? bar you're doing your leaving or junior here, the summer hols is end of May to end of August. if I had kids would I what? Sorry I'll rephrase that what would your thinking be... As in summer hols etc too long? absolutely. imo 3 months summer hols is to long. the year is short enough as it is and u have other holidays and mid terms thrown into the equation. plenty will think they are too long and plenty will have the other view also. Bet ye didn’t think they were too long when you were in school 3 months? I was bored off my tits after a few weeks. " Bullshit | |||
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"Maybe if you had kids or you were a teacher/assistant etc would your opinion maybe change?! no. i worked as an SNA earlier on in life. you asked me the question already. its just a matter of opinion as I've already stated. some people will think one way, some another. No you didnt you answered when i had rephrased it for you!! I answered its a simple as that. the bottom line is there will be different views on all matters. To suit yourself you did, but sure as you said there's different opinions! course there is different opinions but that's not liked by fab folk. You’re a prime example " Exactly he didnt actually answer it at all the 1st time, just a if he had kids what... Was the actual answer he gave til i rephrased it for him. But each to their own!! | |||
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"Maybe if you had kids or you were a teacher/assistant etc would your opinion maybe change?! no. i worked as an SNA earlier on in life. you asked me the question already. its just a matter of opinion as I've already stated. some people will think one way, some another. Why did you stop? none of your business. " Haha! If it’s so easy and great and pay and hols you’d still be at it Well done | |||
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"Kids up North dont have a 3mth summer break...as someone said they finish end of June and start back last week in August. Any of my Sourthern friends kids dont have either... Maybe different Counties have different rules?! Just wondering OP if you did have kids and you were having to home school them, would your opinion maybe change? bar you're doing your leaving or junior here, the summer hols is end of May to end of August. if I had kids would I what? Sorry I'll rephrase that what would your thinking be... As in summer hols etc too long? absolutely. imo 3 months summer hols is to long. the year is short enough as it is and u have other holidays and mid terms thrown into the equation. plenty will think they are too long and plenty will have the other view also. I can only go by the North holidays and my thinking is the kids deserve the 8weeks off.. Helps them to recharge their batteries and to relax and forget about school for awhile!! Although we are living in surreal times atm it also gives parents a bit of breathing space over the holidays from school runs/after school club runs etc that's 8 weeks compared to 12. id probably even think 6/7 is enough. I'm adding to that all the other hols they have throughout the year. 6/7 versus 8 is pointless nitpicking whats are u on about? 6/7 in relation to 12. As has already been pointed out half of those in school are there for 8 but avoid the point why don’t you and for this specific thing it’s obvious you were suggesting shortening primary from 8 to 6/7 You’re gas " shortening secondary. I'm gas. the fella who puts up a status about me the other day and I'm gas. u must be highly bothered. | |||
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"You're just being controversial for the sake of it now. Yet again, another thread that could have actually been a great discussion has been derailed by your myopia not at all. again, certain people want you to see it from there view and don't like a different opinion. A bit like yourself sure I'm all for different opinion and then it can be debated. life would be v boring if 2 differing opinions were given and then the convo just stopped. " Clearly you like to totally dismiss other’s opinions. It’s here in black and white lad | |||
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"Teachers like nurses are underrated. I can tell you this I wouldn't do either of their jobs for twice their pay. Imagine having to deal with 20 to 30 little dickhead kids all day every day. I'd rather do any other joblol you think every child in a class is a dickhead? So you think they’re all “sexy”? Lol some of them are. I'm laughing, your coming in quoting every individual post. its hilarious."Well it’s a thread and you line to say that anyone can comment. Do you not like it? | |||
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"You're just being controversial for the sake of it now. Yet again, another thread that could have actually been a great discussion has been derailed by your myopia not at all. again, certain people want you to see it from there view and don't like a different opinion. A bit like yourself sure I'm all for different opinion and then it can be debated. life would be v boring if 2 differing opinions were given and then the convo just stopped. Clearly you like to totally dismiss other’s opinions. It’s here in black and white lad " same as u. you quoted another person who said easter and summer hols should be cut short. | |||
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"You're just being controversial for the sake of it now. Yet again, another thread that could have actually been a great discussion has been derailed by your myopia not at all. again, certain people want you to see it from there view and don't like a different opinion. A bit like yourself sure I'm all for different opinion and then it can be debated. life would be v boring if 2 differing opinions were given and then the convo just stopped. Clearly you like to totally dismiss other’s opinions. It’s here in black and white lad same as u. you quoted another person who said easter and summer hols should be cut short." Show me that quote and I’ll respond to it | |||
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"You're just being controversial for the sake of it now. Yet again, another thread that could have actually been a great discussion has been derailed by your myopia not at all. again, certain people want you to see it from there view and don't like a different opinion. A bit like yourself sure I'm all for different opinion and then it can be debated. life would be v boring if 2 differing opinions were given and then the convo just stopped. Clearly you like to totally dismiss other’s opinions. It’s here in black and white lad same as u. you quoted another person who said easter and summer hols should be cut short. Show me that quote and I’ll respond to it "I'm not like you scrolling through an entire thread picking out posts. I wouldn't be that bothered but I know u are. | |||
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"I think everyone is happy for the two weeks off of home schooling or actual schooling, from the people I've spoken to. Where are you hearing people complain? all over the place. I have heard many wanting the school summer hols shortened to make up for lost time as home schooling is not near as effective as been in the classroom. yeah i know some parents saying this too, esp primary school not so much secondary. You really can’t shorten primary school holidays much shorter than 8 week " SillyWilly is it this one where I said you can’t shorten it much more? I didn’t say you can’t shorten it tho did i? | |||
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"Kids up North dont have a 3mth summer break...as someone said they finish end of June and start back last week in August. Any of my Sourthern friends kids dont have either... Maybe different Counties have different rules?! Just wondering OP if you did have kids and you were having to home school them, would your opinion maybe change? bar you're doing your leaving or junior here, the summer hols is end of May to end of August. if I had kids would I what? Sorry I'll rephrase that what would your thinking be... As in summer hols etc too long? absolutely. imo 3 months summer hols is to long. the year is short enough as it is and u have other holidays and mid terms thrown into the equation. plenty will think they are too long and plenty will have the other view also. Bet ye didn’t think they were too long when you were in school 3 months? I was bored off my tits after a few weeks. Why does that not surprise meit applies with kids nowadays also.im involved heavily with children. there is more to school than schoolwork. " So am I. I have two of my own. I've worked within education and schools in a voluntary capacity from preschool right up to further education since I was 18. I've also been involved with sports coaching - within schools and outwith - and I teach music now, again on a voluntary basis. You're right there is much much more to it than just teaching. And it's for exactly that reason why huge consideration should be made of the wide and varied impact of either lengthening the school day or shortening the holidays. Not just from the perspective of the teacher, but of the family, and the child. | |||
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"I think everyone is happy for the two weeks off of home schooling or actual schooling, from the people I've spoken to. Where are you hearing people complain? all over the place. I have heard many wanting the school summer hols shortened to make up for lost time as home schooling is not near as effective as been in the classroom. The school year hasnt been shortened. Parents have been given support and online classes from the beginning of this year. If the people you are talking to want schools open longer it's because they want free babysitters not because they kids have missed days. Every teacher we know and have dealt with were on the go morning noon and night prepping classes and correcting work in a completely new environment. " You are absolutely right that the academic school year hasn't been "shortened". Online classes, tuition and assignments have been set as well as online support given in varying degrees by different schools. Generalising parents who are in favour of extending the term for their children to avail of on site schooling for "free babysitting" is just that - a generalisation which may well be true for some, but not others. I for one am not in favour of extending the school term. But as a parent of 2, a boy in primary and a high functioning autistic daughter who had to transition into secondary last year, while suffering not only puberty changes, being highly sensitive and aware that she is very different in a mainstream school, not having the drive or processing or organisational skills that her peers may have, being left behind in academic skills, which simply cannot be taught by distance learning, having severe social anxiety exacerbated by the political climate, having certain OCD behaviours, problems sleeping, no motivation or drive, in desperate need of socialisation with her peers, in desperate need of having on site teachers, students and classes to motivate her learning, I would have to say that the system has failed my daughter desperately. Yet the teachers she, and my son, have had, have been exemplary given the circumstances. I have done my utmost to support her, as a parent, alone and with the (lack of) "services" available and now see her being referred to psychiatric services. I personally believe that this would not have happened in a different "climate". | |||
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"Can you imagine what sort effect this on gonna have on the kids if they dont go back school after easter? A lot of teenagers are alright at breaking point. most deffo. kids are been destroyed." Their mental health, and their education. Our children are the collateral damage. | |||
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"As a secondary school teacher I can tell you that I was delighted to get back into the classroom, as have most of the other teachers I know. For the last few weeks I have been juggling face to face teaching while live streaming students at home. I other classes totalk on zoom. I can tell you its been very stressful for both teachers and students. Both groups would like to be back in school fulltime. However both groups need a break next week, as do the parents. Please stop your teacher bashing. Unless you have been in a classroom you have no idea how difficult it is. We don't criticize how you for your job. " | |||
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"As a secondary school teacher I can tell you that I was delighted to get back into the classroom, as have most of the other teachers I know. For the last few weeks I have been juggling face to face teaching while live streaming students at home. I other classes totalk on zoom. I can tell you its been very stressful for both teachers and students. Both groups would like to be back in school fulltime. However both groups need a break next week, as do the parents. Please stop your teacher bashing. Unless you have been in a classroom you have no idea how difficult it is. We don't criticize how you for your job. " There's a lot to be said for showing understanding and compassion for each and everyone. Unfortunately that seems to have gone amiss these days on a large scale - in times where exactly those qualities should be practiced by each and everyone of us in order to support and strengthen each other in these unprecedented times. I'm grateful for the teachers at my children's school. I know that most (there are always bad eggs in every walk of life) have gone out of their way to do their job as well and conscientiously as possible. I believe it's the system which has let my children down, now during these times even more so than in the olden days. | |||
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"As a secondary school teacher I can tell you that I was delighted to get back into the classroom, as have most of the other teachers I know. For the last few weeks I have been juggling face to face teaching while live streaming students at home. I other classes totalk on zoom. I can tell you its been very stressful for both teachers and students. Both groups would like to be back in school fulltime. However both groups need a break next week, as do the parents. Please stop your teacher bashing. Unless you have been in a classroom you have no idea how difficult it is. We don't criticize how you for your job. There's a lot to be said for showing understanding and compassion for each and everyone. Unfortunately that seems to have gone amiss these days on a large scale - in times where exactly those qualities should be practiced by each and everyone of us in order to support and strengthen each other in these unprecedented times. I'm grateful for the teachers at my children's school. I know that most (there are always bad eggs in every walk of life) have gone out of their way to do their job as well and conscientiously as possible. I believe it's the system which has let my children down, now during these times even more so than in the olden days. " I echo this sentiment | |||
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"As a secondary school teacher I can tell you that I was delighted to get back into the classroom, as have most of the other teachers I know. For the last few weeks I have been juggling face to face teaching while live streaming students at home. I other classes totalk on zoom. I can tell you its been very stressful for both teachers and students. Both groups would like to be back in school fulltime. However both groups need a break next week, as do the parents. Please stop your teacher bashing. Unless you have been in a classroom you have no idea how difficult it is. We don't criticize how you for your job. There's a lot to be said for showing understanding and compassion for each and everyone. Unfortunately that seems to have gone amiss these days on a large scale - in times where exactly those qualities should be practiced by each and everyone of us in order to support and strengthen each other in these unprecedented times. I'm grateful for the teachers at my children's school. I know that most (there are always bad eggs in every walk of life) have gone out of their way to do their job as well and conscientiously as possible. I believe it's the system which has let my children down, now during these times even more so than in the olden days. I echo this sentiment "Ditto. Very well said. I suggest OP shouldn’t make statements about something he knows nothing about. I’ve a daughter studying for her A levels, final year. She has been in school for 3 days this week & is off again for Easter. But... she is being given more work throughout the Easter break. Do she won’t get time off like the others. This is set by the exam board, to ensure enough work is submitted to award a grade. She has been in school 7 weeks since last March. That is stressful. | |||
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"This thread proposes the question of extending the school year? In essence it's a thread about teachers working conditions and contractual obligations.? 1. Teachers. Primary. Secondary. third level have fulfilled their contractual obligations in 2020/21. 2. Extending the school year (into the summer)to Make teachers have a longer working year does not address the most basic question. Is it necessary for the children? 3. The academic pipeline that is the teaching year addresses the balance of children's needs via education and personal growth. The summer recess is a time for sunshine and freckled faces. Not to endure extra school time to balance out teachers perceived small working footprint, or for that matter any sense of loss of IQ points that are children have endured. They have not. Their intellect and sense of enquiry is determined by questions and wonder. That has not diminished. 4. This has been the most dynamic forced educational change to our children's academic journey ever. It has been stressful beyond belief for them. sitting at home all day addresses academia but not human growth in what we would have expected for our loved ones. 8. Primary children's summer recess is 8wks OP. Good luck with your thread OP. Discourse should always be cherished with interesting questions. The question for me in this matter is our children. Not our teachers contracts. But they are linked obvs which is why I addressed this thread. " I thought this thread closed yesterday . Is this groundhog day...
I responded yesterday at the top of the thread. Offering a wee opinion regarding education. Not teachers contracts. Our children and Education.
This thread is entirely about the OP's opionin regarding the under worked teachers and justifed by his experience. His friends. A newspaper article he read etc. His comparison to international best practice (UK teachers summer holidays were quoted) is just a fragment of educational research out there regarding educational pipelines in different countries that could have been used to support his argument (or not).
This thread has no merit other than a soapbox opionin.
I have a broad understanding of academic governance. Normally I'd walk on by threads like this. I'd rather read the funny pages in the newspaper TBH. I'm not on Fab to be all serious like and use big words like. But kids and education!!!....I'll spare a few.
But what is heartening is the voices of the parents and praticioneers who have used common sense, judgement appropiate research and some lurv regarding their children's education. Their opinions were given far from a soapbox but from experience and reflection. Awesome and fairplay to you all....xx 
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"Maybe what would actually help is if the adults that are breaking the rules and keeping the numbers high actually stayed home like they are supposed too we wouldn't need this discussion. " they do in the large majority. 1) you’ll never get everybody doing the one thing and 2), it’s climbing a bit again as people are sick to the teeth of what’s going on and there is no clarity/ plan. | |||
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"I'm a teacher. I don't want schools closed. I also want these lockdowns to end. I also want honest publication of figures and government to stop talking guff and proper testing done. Of I can be in a class with 30 kids then why can't I be in a room with 6 adults. If schools aren't spreading the virus then how are play dates? I don't get it. "many things don't make sense. | |||
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"One of my sister's three of her kids just test positive all in national school another sis two of her kids tested positive in a differ national school another sis her daughter tested positive in a secondary school all this week alone and all sis live away from each other.so that says it all for me.." there is going to be cases in all work places. thats inevitable. you just try keep it as low as possible if you can. | |||
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"people criticising that schools are on Easter hols this Friday for 2 weeks having not done "proper" schooling for over 2 months. now I inverted commas proper because id imagine some teachers and pupils/parents are going above and beyond. whats your take on it and should summer holidays be shortened? others think there is a good chance schools won't return until September after the Easter hols. were you looking for schools to reopen and are you happy your children are back/potentially going back? " I'm only too happy tbh the home schooling is shit. But two weeks off after been off for a year is a bit shit like. And they better not be off again I cant keep staying home till all hours and then out working till 11 at night it's a killer. | |||
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