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By *s LollyWoman
over a year ago
The pub then supermacs ... |
I don't judge people on here for what they do, but at least be honest about it... instead of spewing covid diarrhea from their mouth giving out about people meeting while doing it privately themselves ive more respect so to speak to those who are honest they are meeting.. |
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"I don't judge people on here for what they do, but at least be honest about it... instead of spewing covid diarrhea from their mouth giving out about people meeting while doing it privately themselves ive more respect so to speak to those who are honest they are meeting.. "
I'm with you on that one |
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
on the hill NordWest of |
I'd distinguish between partying and meeting one on one. The first is just utterly disrespectful to say the least. The later depends on the circumstances. Not knowing those how can I judge?
Sure we all have broken restriction rules one way or the other over the covid time. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Lot depends on what meeting is? I've had a few coffee meets.. Socially distanced, etc for the most part and it was fine. We need something to look forward to these days. Full on play meets might be a different thing though.. For the time being anyway |
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If it inadvertently caused the death of someone then yes damn right I'd judge
However I personally feel there is a difference between meeting a trusted play partner than putting up status updates to meet random strangers
It's been a long year for everyone and I'm very lucky that I'm not single but people should be responsible for their actions |
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By *ustBoWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in Co. Down |
"I don't judge people on here for what they do, but at least be honest about it... instead of spewing covid diarrhea from their mouth giving out about people meeting while doing it privately themselves ive more respect so to speak to those who are honest they are meeting.. "
I agree with this.
It doesn't bother me what others do. Everyone is an adult and will make up their own mind about what they do. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'd distinguish between partying and meeting one on one. The first is just utterly disrespectful to say the least. The later depends on the circumstances. Not knowing those how can I judge?
Sure we all have broken restriction rules one way or the other over the covid time. " Exactly... Grabbing a coffee with someone that lives nearby and going for a walk is very different to a party... Common sense has to prevail.... |
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By *s LollyWoman
over a year ago
The pub then supermacs ... |
At least your being honest about meeting even ifs it's just for a coffee but the ones who come on here and give out about any type of meeting be it social or play yet there profile has verifications and pics that says otherwise... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There's people that will always put themselves first in every situation in life. That's just the way they are. They wont make any apologies for it. In alot of situations they are right because they get what they want. I personally dont like people like this. |
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"At least your being honest about meeting even ifs it's just for a coffee but the ones who come on here and give out about any type of meeting be it social or play yet there profile has verifications and pics that says otherwise..."
I met someone a while back, asked her to verify me, because we all know its hard to get a meet if your not verified,, she wouldn't verify me because she didn't want people to know we met during covit |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There's a huge difference between blatant disregard for restrictions and taking the occasional calculated risk for the sake of your own sanity. We should be able to respect each other as adults just making our own best decisions in a crazy time. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Up to people what they do. Not for me. Been chatting to someone and we meeting when restrictions over, however long that be....
I dont really care what others do anymore. If people smart and sensible is all I hope for. Sooner out of lockdown and things get more normal the better |
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By *iscuits8Man
over a year ago
Meath / Dublin / Birmingham |
Whatever about the debate on people meeting and the rights and wrongs of it, there's a noticeable amount of curtain twitchers about the site. You know the type, with the daily status updates... it's a disgraaaace Joe |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Should we or do we even have the right to judge people that are still meeting up during all this shite "
Hi, I work in a hospital. It’s on a campus with another hospital where two staff have died since Christmas Eve after contracting COVID while looking after patients, the second only last weekend. This virus is potentially fatal. We’re all exhausted.
I don’t judge anyone but please inform yourself of the risks to yourself and to your family.
I’ll leave it there. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No one business.
Im more scared of people who do not get tested regularly and Im a freak and definitely first thing I would check before we go further will be sti and hiv test results.
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By *eta74Woman
over a year ago
Dublin |
I've read this a couple of times today , and see all views.
But been honest since the last lockdown in Dec i went to a party couple of days before it x
I'm a single mum u know , ive a child who's austic and intellectual disabilities who il have to care forever x Ive been fighting for his education the past few month's like all parent's with special needs children x ive also got a daughter that attends another spiceal needs school x
Ive a father that is seriously ill , im the only sibling that lives in Ireland,
I know I dont have to explain myself to anyone,
But ive had a coupe of solo meets but with people I know, bubble buddies lol ,
They've done me the world of good ,no regrets my choice , looking after my mental health, my escape. Which I've really needed .
So please never judge anyone by the choices they make x we don't know how this Covid is affecting people xx
Please don't judge xxx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Plus I'm not long in from work xx
I work a lot of hours lol and all late shifts xxx lol "
Don't think. Anyone would judge you harshly. Your life would almost insist on some outlet that helps you cope. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think people will always do what they want!!
If they decide to meet up with multiple people, let's hope they are working from home and not meeting vulnerable people afterwards!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I've read this a couple of times today , and see all views.
But been honest since the last lockdown in Dec i went to a party couple of days before it x
I'm a single mum u know , ive a child who's austic and intellectual disabilities who il have to care forever x Ive been fighting for his education the past few month's like all parent's with special needs children x ive also got a daughter that attends another spiceal needs school x
Ive a father that is seriously ill , im the only sibling that lives in Ireland,
I know I dont have to explain myself to anyone,
But ive had a coupe of solo meets but with people I know, bubble buddies lol ,
They've done me the world of good ,no regrets my choice , looking after my mental health, my escape. Which I've really needed .
So please never judge anyone by the choices they make x we don't know how this Covid is affecting people xx
Please don't judge xxx"
You sound like you have alot on your plate...stay strong |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So please never judge anyone by the choices they make x we don't know how this Covid is affecting people xx
Please don't judge xxx"
Sounds like a really tough time but keep the head up and things will get better soon |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I've read this a couple of times today , and see all views.
But been honest since the last lockdown in Dec i went to a party couple of days before it x
I'm a single mum u know , ive a child who's austic and intellectual disabilities who il have to care forever x Ive been fighting for his education the past few month's like all parent's with special needs children x ive also got a daughter that attends another spiceal needs school x
Ive a father that is seriously ill , im the only sibling that lives in Ireland,
I know I dont have to explain myself to anyone,
But ive had a coupe of solo meets but with people I know, bubble buddies lol ,
They've done me the world of good ,no regrets my choice , looking after my mental health, my escape. Which I've really needed .
So please never judge anyone by the choices they make x we don't know how this Covid is affecting people xx
Please don't judge xxx" What you do on ur downtime is completely ur own choice.It's no one else's business. No one is deliberately going to risk their children or their own health.. But that time out for urself is always needed. Stay strong better times are ahead |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I've read this a couple of times today , and see all views.
But been honest since the last lockdown in Dec i went to a party couple of days before it x
I'm a single mum u know , ive a child who's austic and intellectual disabilities who il have to care forever x Ive been fighting for his education the past few month's like all parent's with special needs children x ive also got a daughter that attends another spiceal needs school x
Ive a father that is seriously ill , im the only sibling that lives in Ireland,
I know I dont have to explain myself to anyone,
But ive had a coupe of solo meets but with people I know, bubble buddies lol ,
They've done me the world of good ,no regrets my choice , looking after my mental health, my escape. Which I've really needed .
So please never judge anyone by the choices they make x we don't know how this Covid is affecting people xx
Please don't judge xxx"
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By *eta74Woman
over a year ago
Dublin |
"I've read this a couple of times today , and see all views.
But been honest since the last lockdown in Dec i went to a party couple of days before it x
I'm a single mum u know , ive a child who's austic and intellectual disabilities who il have to care forever x Ive been fighting for his education the past few month's like all parent's with special needs children x ive also got a daughter that attends another spiceal needs school x
Ive a father that is seriously ill , im the only sibling that lives in Ireland,
I know I dont have to explain myself to anyone,
But ive had a coupe of solo meets but with people I know, bubble buddies lol ,
They've done me the world of good ,no regrets my choice , looking after my mental health, my escape. Which I've really needed .
So please never judge anyone by the choices they make x we don't know how this Covid is affecting people xx
Please don't judge xxxWhat you do on ur downtime is completely ur own choice.It's no one else's business. No one is deliberately going to risk their children or their own health.. But that time out for urself is always needed. Stay strong better times are ahead " |
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"Should we or do we even have the right to judge people that are still meeting up during all this shite "
Looking for intimate meets falls outside the guidance so will remain a breach of Fab terms of conditions. If you are following the government advice, you will not be in breach of Fab terms and conditions. This will continue to be the case as the government updates their advice. We do not plan to re-open the various meets/clubs sections of the site until government advice is that intimate/close contact meets with strangers are within the guidelines.
Coronavirus has not gone away. All governments advise to stay alert and minimise contact with others. The best way to do this is staying home.
I think this might answer your question |
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By *eta74Woman
over a year ago
Dublin |
"Should we or do we even have the right to judge people that are still meeting up during all this shite
Looking for intimate meets falls outside the guidance so will remain a breach of Fab terms of conditions. If you are following the government advice, you will not be in breach of Fab terms and conditions. This will continue to be the case as the government updates their advice. We do not plan to re-open the various meets/clubs sections of the site until government advice is that intimate/close contact meets with strangers are within the guidelines.
Coronavirus has not gone away. All governments advise to stay alert and minimise contact with others. The best way to do this is staying home.
I think this might answer your question "
Best reply yet .
They can only advise, its not against the law for two people to meet. Lol
So you have me blocked lol
What a judgemental person u are lol
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"Should we or do we even have the right to judge people that are still meeting up during all this shite
Looking for intimate meets falls outside the guidance so will remain a breach of Fab terms of conditions. If you are following the government advice, you will not be in breach of Fab terms and conditions. This will continue to be the case as the government updates their advice. We do not plan to re-open the various meets/clubs sections of the site until government advice is that intimate/close contact meets with strangers are within the guidelines.
Coronavirus has not gone away. All governments advise to stay alert and minimise contact with others. The best way to do this is staying home.
I think this might answer your question
Best reply yet .
They can only advise, its not against the law for two people to meet. Lol
So you have me blocked lol
What a judgemental person u are lol
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Why would I block a beautiful lady like you, I have no reason too and certainly not judgmental lol |
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By *13_hercMan
over a year ago
Blackrock |
It's up to each individual to decide what is right for them, and not really anyone else's business. That said, however, until people follow the guideline to isolate as much as possible we will be stuck with this virus and the lock-down that comes with it. Every individual has a part to play in how long these lock-downs will last - you make your own decision, and live with the consequences.
The only real hypocrisy in all this is those who won't follow the guidelines, thereby perpetuating the problem, and then bitch about the lock-down. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Does it become my business though when all those infractions that people think they're entitled to make serve to perpetuate the situation we're in? Because then you are directly impacting my life, and my children's lives? |
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Go through status updates and it's disgraceful. We are now extended till at least April and selfish fuckwits looking for meets a few hours later!
As I said before there is a difference between bubbling with someone but these are from couples & blokes just randomly looking for hookups. Vile behaviour that is contributing to the WHOLE Country being kept in lockdown. |
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I could easily say we are all responsible adults so should be able to make our own decisions.
However it's pretty obvious that some have no sense of personal responsibility.
We have all had to make sacrifices and using the lame excuse that we have to meet for the sake of our mental health just doesn't cut it when it has a knock on effect.
Mental health is a serious issue but some people dilute it and have a knack of playing that card when they run out of excuses. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I could easily say we are all responsible adults so should be able to make our own decisions.
However it's pretty obvious that some have no sense of personal responsibility.
We have all had to make sacrifices and using the lame excuse that we have to meet for the sake of our mental health just doesn't cut it when it has a knock on effect.
Mental health is a serious issue but some people dilute it and have a knack of playing that card when they run out of excuses. "
I have a child now two years into counselling for several serious mental health issues. I had to hold her while she wept yesterday when she learned that she won't be back at school until at least after Easter. This when she is already hanging by a thread. Yet still we persevere. I have nightmares about her killing herself. And as her mother, her problems are also mine. The weight of that is sometimes unbearable. Yet still I persevere. I crave MY mother to hold me while I cry yet still I persevere.
The idea that people continuing to flout the restrictions is none of my business sticks in my throat. We all have a duty to be both personally AND socially responsible in the current situation
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"Omg you unblocked me lol
Seriously though lol no harm we can block who we want on here
We can do as we please Cause we don't have to answer to anyone "
I didn't realise you were and I dont know why lol |
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
on the hill NordWest of |
"I could easily say we are all responsible adults so should be able to make our own decisions.
However it's pretty obvious that some have no sense of personal responsibility.
We have all had to make sacrifices and using the lame excuse that we have to meet for the sake of our mental health just doesn't cut it when it has a knock on effect.
Mental health is a serious issue but some people dilute it and have a knack of playing that card when they run out of excuses. "
Chapeau RB! The only one who had the balls to point out the rather questionable behaviour. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's a very simple equation, in any context both fab related and normal life. The more people you interact with other people the higher the risk of spreading it, the more it spreads the longer the restrictions will need to be in place, the longer the restrictions are in place the more peoples mental and physical health suffers and more business go under. So every person still meeting does impact all of us hence it's all our business so we can't just say it's none of our business. I have lost several friends who were front line medical workers who took all the precautions but still caught it so personally I think we need to really lock down for a short period of time not this half arsed lockdown that people are flaunting which will keep extending if people don't cop on. |
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By *j47Man
over a year ago
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"Omg you unblocked me lol
Seriously though lol no harm we can block who we want on here
We can do as we please Cause we don't have to answer to anyone "
That's the attitude no one to answer to how short sighted of u
And yes by all means stay sane meet a regular but parties and numerous meet will only result in keeping the rest of us if we are lucky locked up and if not with long lasting illness possibly death
But you have no one to answer to
Yes in this instance i will judge because it affects my life and that of my family |
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By *j47Man
over a year ago
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"I could easily say we are all responsible adults so should be able to make our own decisions.
However it's pretty obvious that some have no sense of personal responsibility.
We have all had to make sacrifices and using the lame excuse that we have to meet for the sake of our mental health just doesn't cut it when it has a knock on effect.
Mental health is a serious issue but some people dilute it and have a knack of playing that card when they run out of excuses. " |
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By *j47Man
over a year ago
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"Omg you unblocked me lol
Seriously though lol no harm we can block who we want on here
We can do as we please Cause we don't have to answer to anyone
That's the attitude no one to answer to how short sighted of u
And yes by all means stay sane meet a regular but parties and numerous meet will only result in keeping the rest of us if we are lucky locked up and if not with long lasting illness possibly death
But you have no one to answer to
Yes in this instance i will judge because it affects my life and that of my family "
Feel free to block me for my opinions |
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"I've read this a couple of times today , and see all views.
But been honest since the last lockdown in Dec i went to a party couple of days before it x
I'm a single mum u know , ive a child who's austic and intellectual disabilities who il have to care forever x Ive been fighting for his education the past few month's like all parent's with special needs children x ive also got a daughter that attends another spiceal needs school x
Ive a father that is seriously ill , im the only sibling that lives in Ireland,
I know I dont have to explain myself to anyone,
But ive had a coupe of solo meets but with people I know, bubble buddies lol ,
They've done me the world of good ,no regrets my choice , looking after my mental health, my escape. Which I've really needed .
So please never judge anyone by the choices they make x we don't know how this Covid is affecting people xx
Please don't judge xxx" you've just stated all the reasons why you shouldn't be meeting bubble or no bubble if you catch it from your adventures your putting your sick dad at risk going to take some riding to rid that guilt |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm thankful for those who have come out with logical arguments. Those who have said what I wanted to. Read some posts in this topic earlier, had to step away, count to 10(more 1,000,010).
"I'm breaking restrictions/recommendations for my mental health". That's lovely. Go knock yourself up. Mental health of the savagely under pressure health service none of your problem? Mental health of the family of the person you killed or gave long lasting health problens to, none of your problem? Uh huh.Go knock yourself up.
"there's no law against it" right... Those fines, court appearances and sentences are just fiction.. Go knock yourself up...
"it's only a flu/has a 99% survivability rate" wow. Thank you for your years of medical and scientific research. Congrats on the "research" you did to prove the experts wrong. Well done. Go knock yourself up.
"it's the government's fault". There's a fuckton we can blame them for. Easing restrictions to soon, letting anyone into the country, etc. But does that mean we can ignore the worldwide advice on what we should do versus what we want to do? Hmm.if only we'd had stronger leadership. New Zealand anyone?
Have i been personally affected by this? Yes. My mental health has suffered massively. Physical/mental health of family and coworkers too. Am I breaking out for my needs? Nope. Not even in my last relationship. I'm not arranging a dental appointment in another country either.
The more people think of themselves, the more the rest of us suffer and for longer.
Thanks to those playing the game. Thanks to those kerping the spirits up.
Feel free to bitch at me. Please block me. I'll lose terrible sleep over it...
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By *oserMan
over a year ago
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"I've read this a couple of times today , and see all views.
But been honest since the last lockdown in Dec i went to a party couple of days before it x
I'm a single mum u know , ive a child who's austic and intellectual disabilities who il have to care forever x Ive been fighting for his education the past few month's like all parent's with special needs children x ive also got a daughter that attends another spiceal needs school x
Ive a father that is seriously ill , im the only sibling that lives in Ireland,
I know I dont have to explain myself to anyone,
But ive had a coupe of solo meets but with people I know, bubble buddies lol ,
They've done me the world of good ,no regrets my choice , looking after my mental health, my escape. Which I've really needed .
So please never judge anyone by the choices they make x we don't know how this Covid is affecting people xx
Please don't judge xxx"
Wtf Zeta, you have a seriously ill father and you are having solo meets. Are you mad?
I can tell you how Covid is affecting people, its Killing them!!!
Yes, I sympathise with your family situation but lots of people are in equally horrible positions but they aren't going out shagging for a break!
I hope your dad gets well but fuck me stop taking unnecessary risks, bubbles are supposed to be singular |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nobody's business!! We are on a site that is supposed to be non judgemental. Thats the way it should stay!!
No one is forced to meet."
My personal opinion s we should not meet, so I won't. |
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"I'd distinguish between partying and meeting one on one. The first is just utterly disrespectful to say the least. The later depends on the circumstances. Not knowing those how can I judge?
Sure we all have broken restriction rules one way or the other over the covid time. "
I think the above is what’s called a realistic view on life as it is right now. |
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By *oserMan
over a year ago
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"Nobody's business!! We are on a site that is supposed to be non judgemental. Thats the way it should stay!!
No one is forced to meet.
My personal opinion s we should not meet, so I won't. " |
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By *irdyxWoman
over a year ago
dublin/ Birmingham |
Not meeting at all . We have issues the same as most ,we have a child with special needs a teenager with mental health problems and added stress because it junior cert year . I have a mam who at 67 is a nurse working on a covid ward risking her health .
But sure fuck me a ride will fix all that .
Different level of selfish |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Not meeting at all . We have issues the same as most ,we have a child with special needs a teenager with mental health problems and added stress because it junior cert year . I have a mam who at 67 is a nurse working on a covid ward risking her health .
But sure fuck me a ride will fix all that .
Different level of selfish "
Spot on...
I could kill someone...but please don't judge ...ffs |
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By *eta74Woman
over a year ago
Dublin |
A ride lol cant remember the last time I'd a ride lol nope ive long passionate sex never just a ride ha
Ive also stuck to a lot of rules
And be as safe as possible.
And kid's back in school tomorrow lol same as ur own I presume.
Im so happy mine are . The effects of my children not been in a routine have been damaging.
Stay safe xxx
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By *eta74Woman
over a year ago
Dublin |
"I've read this a couple of times today , and see all views.
But been honest since the last lockdown in Dec i went to a party couple of days before it x
I'm a single mum u know , ive a child who's austic and intellectual disabilities who il have to care forever x Ive been fighting for his education the past few month's like all parent's with special needs children x ive also got a daughter that attends another spiceal needs school x
Ive a father that is seriously ill , im the only sibling that lives in Ireland,
I know I dont have to explain myself to anyone,
But ive had a coupe of solo meets but with people I know, bubble buddies lol ,
They've done me the world of good ,no regrets my choice , looking after my mental health, my escape. Which I've really needed .
So please never judge anyone by the choices they make x we don't know how this Covid is affecting people xx
Please don't judge xxx
Wtf Zeta, you have a seriously ill father and you are having solo meets. Are you mad?
I can tell you how Covid is affecting people, its Killing them!!!
Yes, I sympathise with your family situation but lots of people are in equally horrible positions but they aren't going out shagging for a break!
I hope your dad gets well but fuck me stop taking unnecessary risks, bubbles are supposed to be singular "
Yes my father is very ill and ive not touched or kiseed him ,
I've seen him rang him video chats ,
My bubble group is a couple of different guys who I catch up with every once in awhile lol
I actually don't meet stranger's on here only guy's ive met thru socials or partys .
You keep doing what u think is best for yourself and il do too.
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By *eta74Woman
over a year ago
Dublin |
Last opinion on this.
People here that think two grown up adults meeting up for company is wrong that's sad .
But you'll all send ur children back to school to sit with 10 to fifteen children from different household's
And please children don't understand about social distance lol
I'm leaving this thread now cause the hiprecray on here is unreal.
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By *irdyxWoman
over a year ago
dublin/ Birmingham |
Sure my wee man is back a school 2 days a week but they are splitting his class so there is him and another kid in . I get the bubble but I don't think you can ever know if these people are meeting anyone else that's all it's a huge risk for the people in your life |
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"Last opinion on this.
People here that think two grown up adults meeting up for company is wrong that's sad .
But you'll all send ur children back to school to sit with 10 to fifteen children from different household's
And please children don't understand about social distance lol
I'm leaving this thread now cause the hiprecray on here is unreal.
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They don't have to send them back to school to worry about whom they are mixing with,,, I just walked passed two local shops here nd there was 4/5 groups of kids from 5 in one group to 10 in another all on top of one another,,, people have fuck all to give out about,,, enjoy nd stay safe |
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over a year ago
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"Ive also stuck to a lot of rules". Picking and choosing which rules suit you isn't what will get us out of this. Having bubble buddies when no contact outside you're own house is permitted, isn't going to get us out of this. Hypocrisy?
To follow the rules properly and behave is hypocrisy? No.
New Zealand and a few other places had it right. Still do. Selfish attitudes keep up continually locked down again and again. Not confined to Ireland.
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By *ashy85Man
over a year ago
Waterford |
"I've read this a couple of times today , and see all views.
But been honest since the last lockdown in Dec i went to a party couple of days before it x
I'm a single mum u know , ive a child who's austic and intellectual disabilities who il have to care forever x Ive been fighting for his education the past few month's like all parent's with special needs children x ive also got a daughter that attends another spiceal needs school x
Ive a father that is seriously ill , im the only sibling that lives in Ireland,
I know I dont have to explain myself to anyone,
But ive had a coupe of solo meets but with people I know, bubble buddies lol ,
They've done me the world of good ,no regrets my choice , looking after my mental health, my escape. Which I've really needed .
So please never judge anyone by the choices they make x we don't know how this Covid is affecting people xx
Please don't judge xxx
Wtf Zeta, you have a seriously ill father and you are having solo meets. Are you mad?
I can tell you how Covid is affecting people, its Killing them!!!
Yes, I sympathise with your family situation but lots of people are in equally horrible positions but they aren't going out shagging for a break!
I hope your dad gets well but fuck me stop taking unnecessary risks, bubbles are supposed to be singular
Yes my father is very ill and ive not touched or kiseed him ,
I've seen him rang him video chats ,
My bubble group is a couple of different guys who I catch up with every once in awhile lol
I actually don't meet stranger's on here only guy's ive met thru socials or partys .
You keep doing what u think is best for yourself and il do too.
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How can you be sure those men are just sticking to you??? Maybe they have another bubble buddy... all i hear are excuses |
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A major reason why covid numbers are so high because people are meeting on the sly.. If we all stuck to the rules we would be back to normal no restrictions but people are arseholes and will do whatever they want |
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