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"Cant believe what i have just witness went to go into my local tescos and there was a queue so fair enough i joined it i could hear a woman behind me talking in a forgein language was my turn to go in so already havingy mask on i stopped to sanitize my trolley and hands then out of nowhere the woman behind me muttered something in her own language bumped into me and walked on into the store with no mask and without sanitising i said to the shop marshall are you not going to stop her his reply was nothing i can do she is forgein possibly doesnt understand the rules i ask you who the fuck doeant know the rules by now when there are aigns up everywhere saying keep 2metres apart and wear a mask when entering shops think its time to bycott tescos they obviously dont give a damn aboyt their customers just their profits so much for us all being in this together this xountry is a joke " I work in a Tesco and in our shop if u don't wear a mask your denied entry as it is clearly stated outside shop mask must be worn that person should have enforced that rule even if the person didn't speak English the was other ways to communicate it to them.. | |||
"Cant believe what i have just witness went to go into my local tescos and there was a queue so fair enough i joined it i could hear a woman behind me talking in a forgein language was my turn to go in so already havingy mask on i stopped to sanitize my trolley and hands then out of nowhere the woman behind me muttered something in her own language bumped into me and walked on into the store with no mask and without sanitising i said to the shop marshall are you not going to stop her his reply was nothing i can do she is forgein possibly doesnt understand the rules i ask you who the fuck doeant know the rules by now when there are aigns up everywhere saying keep 2metres apart and wear a mask when entering shops think its time to bycott tescos they obviously dont give a damn aboyt their customers just their profits so much for us all being in this together this xountry is a joke I work in a Tesco and in our shop if u don't wear a mask your denied entry as it is clearly stated outside shop mask must be worn that person should have enforced that rule even if the person didn't speak English the was other ways to communicate it to them.." Hear hear!!! | |||
SI 296 of 2020 for those that are interested in the law as opposed to the band-wagon.  | |||
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"Folks. Despite the falsely worded signs at entrances to supermarkets etc, it is not compulsory for all persons to wear a mask while inside. Certain people are exempt, in particular if one suffers from a disability /mental illness where wearing a ‘Face Covering’ causes one to suffer ‘Severe Distress’ among other ‘Reasonable Excuses’ as per the relevant Statute Instrument. The authority to query a customer regarding their non-wearing of a ‘face-covering’ is solely that of the business owner/person ordinarily in charge or the ‘occupier’. Google the definition of ‘Occupier’ if you so wish. Security/General workers etc have absolutely no legal grounds /authority to interact in anyway with customers reference ‘face-coverings’. If you have a ‘reasonable excuse’ as per the respective Statute Instrument , and if your non-wearing of a ‘face-covering’ is queried by a ‘responsible person’ (The 3 listed above), all you are legally required to say is that you have a ‘reasonable excuse’. End of conversation. The businesses ‘responsible person’ has no further legal authority to query your ‘reasonable excuse’ etc. If they were to attempt to stop you entering the premises based on the above , they would be very likely found to be in breach of the ‘Equal Status Acts 2000-2012’, essentially being discriminatory because of a person’s disability. Yes, mental illness/physical illness/ anxiety etc is a legal form of disability. To those of you jumping on the bandwagon that everyone should be wearing a ‘mask’ (the legal definition is in fact face-covering) , please educate yourselves reference the relevant Statute Instrument and legislation. Don’t be that clown that thinks just because someone walks from their car having parked in a space reserved for a ‘Wheelchair-user‘ is not legally permitted to be parked there. Disability comes in many forms. Education is the key. For the record, I’m not anti ‘Face-Covering’, I’m simply highlighting that the wearing of same is not compulsory for everyone. Incidentally there is no law in force stating the wearing of same is required in Banks/Credit unions or restaurants when you’re making your way to and from your table/ bathroom etc. (Despite what many restaurant managers think). I’ve watched restaurant patrons enter restaurant wearing a face-covering, walk briskly to their table whereupon they remove same to read the menu and order food etc. Apparently the virus keeps away from you once you hold a menu or glass of wine in your hand. Not sure why we’re awaiting a vaccine when all you need to do to keep safe is to hold a menu aloft. Give me patience.
SI 296 of 2020 for those that are interested in the law as opposed to the band-wagon. "To be honest, I dont except any of those excuses, and I dont believe anyone who says they have a "medical condition". Granted, there may be people with some anxiety like claustrophobia that they dont wanna wear a mask. But in that case, tough shit!! We are 7 months into a pandemic! Order your food online if masks bother you, but dont put strangers lifes at risk. Also, people who pick apart the rules and sarcastically go on about "wow, this virus is super dangerous, but knows to stay away when you're eating or drinking, what a clever virus...derp!" are fucking retarded. That's like saying "wow, I can drive 119km an hour on the motorway and my skull is safe from being caved in if I crash, but if hit 120km, and I'm gonna die, how crazy is that?? " You gotta draw a line somewhere. And people use their mouth to eat to survive. | |||
"Folks. Despite the falsely worded signs at entrances to supermarkets etc, it is not compulsory for all persons to wear a mask while inside. Certain people are exempt, in particular if one suffers from a disability /mental illness where wearing a ‘Face Covering’ causes one to suffer ‘Severe Distress’ among other ‘Reasonable Excuses’ as per the relevant Statute Instrument. The authority to query a customer regarding their non-wearing of a ‘face-covering’ is solely that of the business owner/person ordinarily in charge or the ‘occupier’. Google the definition of ‘Occupier’ if you so wish. Security/General workers etc have absolutely no legal grounds /authority to interact in anyway with customers reference ‘face-coverings’. If you have a ‘reasonable excuse’ as per the respective Statute Instrument , and if your non-wearing of a ‘face-covering’ is queried by a ‘responsible person’ (The 3 listed above), all you are legally required to say is that you have a ‘reasonable excuse’. End of conversation. The businesses ‘responsible person’ has no further legal authority to query your ‘reasonable excuse’ etc. If they were to attempt to stop you entering the premises based on the above , they would be very likely found to be in breach of the ‘Equal Status Acts 2000-2012’, essentially being discriminatory because of a person’s disability. Yes, mental illness/physical illness/ anxiety etc is a legal form of disability. To those of you jumping on the bandwagon that everyone should be wearing a ‘mask’ (the legal definition is in fact face-covering) , please educate yourselves reference the relevant Statute Instrument and legislation. Don’t be that clown that thinks just because someone walks from their car having parked in a space reserved for a ‘Wheelchair-user‘ is not legally permitted to be parked there. Disability comes in many forms. Education is the key. For the record, I’m not anti ‘Face-Covering’, I’m simply highlighting that the wearing of same is not compulsory for everyone. Incidentally there is no law in force stating the wearing of same is required in Banks/Credit unions or restaurants when you’re making your way to and from your table/ bathroom etc. (Despite what many restaurant managers think). I’ve watched restaurant patrons enter restaurant wearing a face-covering, walk briskly to their table whereupon they remove same to read the menu and order food etc. Apparently the virus keeps away from you once you hold a menu or glass of wine in your hand. Not sure why we’re awaiting a vaccine when all you need to do to keep safe is to hold a menu aloft. Give me patience.
SI 296 of 2020 for those that are interested in the law as opposed to the band-wagon. "Except every single shop has the right to refuse entry or service to anyone for any reason If you buy a ticket to a concert it says on the back you can be refused entry or removed from the premises at the promoters discretion All pubs have the right to refuse admission All restaurants have the right to refuse admission So forget the mask wearing if you want to be a gobshite....for any other non disclosed reason you're not getting into my business | |||
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"Folks. Despite the falsely worded signs at entrances to supermarkets etc, it is not compulsory for all persons to wear a mask while inside. Certain people are exempt, in particular if one suffers from a disability /mental illness where wearing a ‘Face Covering’ causes one to suffer ‘Severe Distress’ among other ‘Reasonable Excuses’ as per the relevant Statute Instrument. The authority to query a customer regarding their non-wearing of a ‘face-covering’ is solely that of the business owner/person ordinarily in charge or the ‘occupier’. Google the definition of ‘Occupier’ if you so wish. Security/General workers etc have absolutely no legal grounds /authority to interact in anyway with customers reference ‘face-coverings’. If you have a ‘reasonable excuse’ as per the respective Statute Instrument , and if your non-wearing of a ‘face-covering’ is queried by a ‘responsible person’ (The 3 listed above), all you are legally required to say is that you have a ‘reasonable excuse’. End of conversation. The businesses ‘responsible person’ has no further legal authority to query your ‘reasonable excuse’ etc. If they were to attempt to stop you entering the premises based on the above , they would be very likely found to be in breach of the ‘Equal Status Acts 2000-2012’, essentially being discriminatory because of a person’s disability. Yes, mental illness/physical illness/ anxiety etc is a legal form of disability. To those of you jumping on the bandwagon that everyone should be wearing a ‘mask’ (the legal definition is in fact face-covering) , please educate yourselves reference the relevant Statute Instrument and legislation. Don’t be that clown that thinks just because someone walks from their car having parked in a space reserved for a ‘Wheelchair-user‘ is not legally permitted to be parked there. Disability comes in many forms. Education is the key. For the record, I’m not anti ‘Face-Covering’, I’m simply highlighting that the wearing of same is not compulsory for everyone. Incidentally there is no law in force stating the wearing of same is required in Banks/Credit unions or restaurants when you’re making your way to and from your table/ bathroom etc. (Despite what many restaurant managers think). I’ve watched restaurant patrons enter restaurant wearing a face-covering, walk briskly to their table whereupon they remove same to read the menu and order food etc. Apparently the virus keeps away from you once you hold a menu or glass of wine in your hand. Not sure why we’re awaiting a vaccine when all you need to do to keep safe is to hold a menu aloft. Give me patience.
SI 296 of 2020 for those that are interested in the law as opposed to the band-wagon. "Excellent post, thankyou. X | |||
"Folks. Despite the falsely worded signs at entrances to supermarkets etc, it is not compulsory for all persons to wear a mask while inside. Certain people are exempt, in particular if one suffers from a disability /mental illness where wearing a ‘Face Covering’ causes one to suffer ‘Severe Distress’ among other ‘Reasonable Excuses’ as per the relevant Statute Instrument. The authority to query a customer regarding their non-wearing of a ‘face-covering’ is solely that of the business owner/person ordinarily in charge or the ‘occupier’. Google the definition of ‘Occupier’ if you so wish. Security/General workers etc have absolutely no legal grounds /authority to interact in anyway with customers reference ‘face-coverings’. If you have a ‘reasonable excuse’ as per the respective Statute Instrument , and if your non-wearing of a ‘face-covering’ is queried by a ‘responsible person’ (The 3 listed above), all you are legally required to say is that you have a ‘reasonable excuse’. End of conversation. The businesses ‘responsible person’ has no further legal authority to query your ‘reasonable excuse’ etc. If they were to attempt to stop you entering the premises based on the above , they would be very likely found to be in breach of the ‘Equal Status Acts 2000-2012’, essentially being discriminatory because of a person’s disability. Yes, mental illness/physical illness/ anxiety etc is a legal form of disability. To those of you jumping on the bandwagon that everyone should be wearing a ‘mask’ (the legal definition is in fact face-covering) , please educate yourselves reference the relevant Statute Instrument and legislation. Don’t be that clown that thinks just because someone walks from their car having parked in a space reserved for a ‘Wheelchair-user‘ is not legally permitted to be parked there. Disability comes in many forms. Education is the key. For the record, I’m not anti ‘Face-Covering’, I’m simply highlighting that the wearing of same is not compulsory for everyone. Incidentally there is no law in force stating the wearing of same is required in Banks/Credit unions or restaurants when you’re making your way to and from your table/ bathroom etc. (Despite what many restaurant managers think). I’ve watched restaurant patrons enter restaurant wearing a face-covering, walk briskly to their table whereupon they remove same to read the menu and order food etc. Apparently the virus keeps away from you once you hold a menu or glass of wine in your hand. Not sure why we’re awaiting a vaccine when all you need to do to keep safe is to hold a menu aloft. Give me patience.
SI 296 of 2020 for those that are interested in the law as opposed to the band-wagon.
To be honest, I dont except any of those excuses, and I dont believe anyone who says they have a "medical condition".
Granted, there may be people with some anxiety like claustrophobia that they dont wanna wear a mask. But in that case, tough shit!! We are 7 months into a pandemic! Order your food online if masks bother you, but dont put strangers lifes at risk.
Also, people who pick apart the rules and sarcastically go on about "wow, this virus is super dangerous, but knows to stay away when you're eating or drinking, what a clever virus...derp!" are fucking retarded.
That's like saying "wow, I can drive 119km an hour on the motorway and my skull is safe from being caved in if I crash, but if hit 120km, and I'm gonna die, how crazy is that?? "
You gotta draw a line somewhere. And people use their mouth to eat to survive.
""Granted, there may be people with some anxiety like claustrophobia that they dont wanna wear a mask. But in that case, tough shit!!" Jesus Christ, are you for real?!  | |||
"As above. There is no automatic right of admission to a a privately owned premesis... but I would also have sympathy with people who genuinely can't wear a face mask due to breathing or anxiety conditions. I have an autistic son for example who can't wear a face mask for long without panicking. Discretion should be used. It's a hard time to deal with the public. " If you deal with the public on an everyday basis you get used to who's genuine and who's not in my experience | |||
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"Folks. Despite the falsely worded signs at entrances to supermarkets etc, it is not compulsory for all persons to wear a mask while inside. Certain people are exempt, in particular if one suffers from a disability /mental illness where wearing a ‘Face Covering’ causes one to suffer ‘Severe Distress’ among other ‘Reasonable Excuses’ as per the relevant Statute Instrument. The authority to query a customer regarding their non-wearing of a ‘face-covering’ is solely that of the business owner/person ordinarily in charge or the ‘occupier’. Google the definition of ‘Occupier’ if you so wish. Security/General workers etc have absolutely no legal grounds /authority to interact in anyway with customers reference ‘face-coverings’. If you have a ‘reasonable excuse’ as per the respective Statute Instrument , and if your non-wearing of a ‘face-covering’ is queried by a ‘responsible person’ (The 3 listed above), all you are legally required to say is that you have a ‘reasonable excuse’. End of conversation. The businesses ‘responsible person’ has no further legal authority to query your ‘reasonable excuse’ etc. If they were to attempt to stop you entering the premises based on the above , they would be very likely found to be in breach of the ‘Equal Status Acts 2000-2012’, essentially being discriminatory because of a person’s disability. Yes, mental illness/physical illness/ anxiety etc is a legal form of disability. To those of you jumping on the bandwagon that everyone should be wearing a ‘mask’ (the legal definition is in fact face-covering) , please educate yourselves reference the relevant Statute Instrument and legislation. Don’t be that clown that thinks just because someone walks from their car having parked in a space reserved for a ‘Wheelchair-user‘ is not legally permitted to be parked there. Disability comes in many forms. Education is the key. For the record, I’m not anti ‘Face-Covering’, I’m simply highlighting that the wearing of same is not compulsory for everyone. Incidentally there is no law in force stating the wearing of same is required in Banks/Credit unions or restaurants when you’re making your way to and from your table/ bathroom etc. (Despite what many restaurant managers think). I’ve watched restaurant patrons enter restaurant wearing a face-covering, walk briskly to their table whereupon they remove same to read the menu and order food etc. Apparently the virus keeps away from you once you hold a menu or glass of wine in your hand. Not sure why we’re awaiting a vaccine when all you need to do to keep safe is to hold a menu aloft. Give me patience.
SI 296 of 2020 for those that are interested in the law as opposed to the band-wagon.
Except every single shop has the right to refuse entry or service to anyone for any reason
If you buy a ticket to a concert it says on the back you can be refused entry or removed from the premises at the promoters discretion
All pubs have the right to refuse admission
All restaurants have the right to refuse admission
So forget the mask wearing if you want to be a gobshite....for any other non disclosed reason you're not getting into my business "BELOW IS MY REPLY TO ‘BOG M’s‘ POST. (The “Quote & Reply” option appears to copy a thread and so can appear that I’m replying to myself.... Only adding to the confusion as to who said what). Bog_m : To address one of your points... “Every single shop has the right to refuse entry or service to anyone for any reason”. Any reason? Because they’re elderly/ a member of the travelling community/ a certain race etc? Good luck with that. I’m simply quoting the legislation. That’s what will be quoted to you by a Judge/Barrister when you’re before the courts if you refuse someone who claims to have a ‘Reasonable excuse’ from entering your premises (assuming your premises is a ‘Specified Premises’ or ‘A specified Service or Business’) as per the Statute Instrument. The Statute Instrument to which I’ve referred was signed into law on August 8th 2020 by Minister of Health, Mr Stephen Donnelly. You, or indeed anybody, can challenge any legislation enacted simply by challenging same in the High Court. This would involve you as an individual taking the Irish State to court. Let us know how you get on, and we can all chip in a few € to a GoFundMe page as High Court challenges don’t come cheap  | |||
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" "Granted, there may be people with some anxiety like claustrophobia that they dont wanna wear a mask. But in that case, tough shit!!" Jesus Christ, are you for real?! "Of course I'm for real! Are you??? Someone is whinging about being anxious for having to wear a mask, so instead of just just getting their groceries delivered like 1000s of others nowadays, they feel entitled enough to kill a perfect stranger just to save a fiver on delivery. | |||
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" "Granted, there may be people with some anxiety like claustrophobia that they dont wanna wear a mask. But in that case, tough shit!!" Jesus Christ, are you for real?!
Of course I'm for real! Are you??? Someone is whinging about being anxious for having to wear a mask, so instead of just just getting their groceries delivered like 1000s of others nowadays, they feel entitled enough to kill a perfect stranger just to save a fiver on delivery."I beg to differ. I can't get a delivery slot for 3 weeks. I have now had to buy a lanyard to stop the snide comments and nasty glares when I'm out. It's nobody else's business about my medical history. This does not make me a killer or entitled. If I was in a wheelchair would you expect me to get out of it and walk? If I had a broken arm would you insist that I used it to do everything? No you wouldn't. Some illnesses, disabilities and mental conditions are not immediately visible. People need to stop being so narrow minded. | |||
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" "Granted, there may be people with some anxiety like claustrophobia that they dont wanna wear a mask. But in that case, tough shit!!" Jesus Christ, are you for real?!
Of course I'm for real! Are you??? Someone is whinging about being anxious for having to wear a mask, so instead of just just getting their groceries delivered like 1000s of others nowadays, they feel entitled enough to kill a perfect stranger just to save a fiver on delivery.
I beg to differ. I can't get a delivery slot for 3 weeks. I have now had to buy a lanyard to stop the snide comments and nasty glares when I'm out. It's nobody else's business about my medical history. This does not make me a killer or entitled. If I was in a wheelchair would you expect me to get out of it and walk? If I had a broken arm would you insist that I used it to do everything? No you wouldn't. Some illnesses, disabilities and mental conditions are not immediately visible. People need to stop being so narrow minded. "Well if you unknowingly spread the virus to someone, and it kills them, just because you didnt want to bother book your groceries a few weeks in advance, I'm afraid that does make you a killer in my eyes. And it's not gonna kill you to wear a mask for 10 minutes in a store, you will get over it. Covid "does" kill people, and if it doesnt, it can take months of sickness to get over it. If the snide comments bother you that much, make alternative arrangements or suck it up and wear a mask | |||
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"I've never worked in retail or hospitality or been a frontline/essential worker but two of my children are. I have no problem with someone not wearing a mask for medical reasons but there's nothing preventing them from making the effort to wear a lanyard which will at least inform others. It's the vanloads of workmen queueing at deli counters for their morning fry with no masks that I don't get. It's like fabbers who sign up to this site and then whinge daily about the site rules. If you aren't prepared to follow clearly displayed rules for each premises then don't go in. " I dont believe anyone who says that they wont wear a mask for medical reasons. Because they can easily wear one of those plexiglas face shields instead. They dont interfere with your breathing whatsoever. They arent as effective as masks, but still significantly reduce the risk of spread. Anyone who says that they are exempt is talking bullshit. | |||
"Folks. Despite the falsely worded signs at entrances to supermarkets etc, it is not compulsory for all persons to wear a mask while inside. Certain people are exempt, in particular if one suffers from a disability /mental illness where wearing a ‘Face Covering’ causes one to suffer ‘Severe Distress’ among other ‘Reasonable Excuses’ as per the relevant Statute Instrument. The authority to query a customer regarding their non-wearing of a ‘face-covering’ is solely that of the business owner/person ordinarily in charge or the ‘occupier’. Google the definition of ‘Occupier’ if you so wish. Security/General workers etc have absolutely no legal grounds /authority to interact in anyway with customers reference ‘face-coverings’. If you have a ‘reasonable excuse’ as per the respective Statute Instrument , and if your non-wearing of a ‘face-covering’ is queried by a ‘responsible person’ (The 3 listed above), all you are legally required to say is that you have a ‘reasonable excuse’. End of conversation. The businesses ‘responsible person’ has no further legal authority to query your ‘reasonable excuse’ etc. If they were to attempt to stop you entering the premises based on the above , they would be very likely found to be in breach of the ‘Equal Status Acts 2000-2012’, essentially being discriminatory because of a person’s disability. Yes, mental illness/physical illness/ anxiety etc is a legal form of disability. To those of you jumping on the bandwagon that everyone should be wearing a ‘mask’ (the legal definition is in fact face-covering) , please educate yourselves reference the relevant Statute Instrument and legislation. Don’t be that clown that thinks just because someone walks from their car having parked in a space reserved for a ‘Wheelchair-user‘ is not legally permitted to be parked there. Disability comes in many forms. Education is the key. For the record, I’m not anti ‘Face-Covering’, I’m simply highlighting that the wearing of same is not compulsory for everyone. Incidentally there is no law in force stating the wearing of same is required in Banks/Credit unions or restaurants when you’re making your way to and from your table/ bathroom etc. (Despite what many restaurant managers think). I’ve watched restaurant patrons enter restaurant wearing a face-covering, walk briskly to their table whereupon they remove same to read the menu and order food etc. Apparently the virus keeps away from you once you hold a menu or glass of wine in your hand. Not sure why we’re awaiting a vaccine when all you need to do to keep safe is to hold a menu aloft. Give me patience.
SI 296 of 2020 for those that are interested in the law as opposed to the band-wagon.
Except every single shop has the right to refuse entry or service to anyone for any reason
If you buy a ticket to a concert it says on the back you can be refused entry or removed from the premises at the promoters discretion
All pubs have the right to refuse admission
All restaurants have the right to refuse admission
So forget the mask wearing if you want to be a gobshite....for any other non disclosed reason you're not getting into my business
BELOW IS MY REPLY TO ‘BOG M’s‘ POST. (The “Quote & Reply” option appears to copy a thread and so can appear that I’m replying to myself.... Only adding to the confusion as to who said what).
Bog_m : To address one of your points... “Every single shop has the right to refuse entry or service to anyone for any reason”.
Any reason? Because they’re elderly/ a member of the travelling community/ a certain race etc? Good luck with that.
I’m simply quoting the legislation.
That’s what will be quoted to you by a Judge/Barrister when you’re before the courts if you refuse someone who claims to have a ‘Reasonable excuse’ from entering your premises (assuming your premises is a ‘Specified Premises’ or ‘A specified Service or Business’) as per the Statute Instrument.
The Statute Instrument to which I’ve referred was signed into law on August 8th 2020 by Minister of Health, Mr Stephen Donnelly.
You, or indeed anybody, can challenge any legislation enacted simply by challenging same in the High Court. This would involve you as an individual taking the Irish State to court.
Let us know how you get on, and we can all chip in a few € to a GoFundMe page as High Court challenges don’t come cheap
"Get a life. | |||
"I've never worked in retail or hospitality or been a frontline/essential worker but two of my children are. I have no problem with someone not wearing a mask for medical reasons but there's nothing preventing them from making the effort to wear a lanyard which will at least inform others. It's the vanloads of workmen queueing at deli counters for their morning fry with no masks that I don't get. It's like fabbers who sign up to this site and then whinge daily about the site rules. If you aren't prepared to follow clearly displayed rules for each premises then don't go in. I dont believe anyone who says that they wont wear a mask for medical reasons. Because they can easily wear one of those plexiglas face shields instead. They dont interfere with your breathing whatsoever. They arent as effective as masks, but still significantly reduce the risk of spread. Anyone who says that they are exempt is talking bullshit. " I can understand them because I am asthmatic and while I agree that facecoverings of any description don't reduce oxygen intake there is definitely a heightened level of anxiety and I have a daughter who is on the autistic spectrum and has to wear a visor every day in her hospitality role. She is stressed every single day by having to wear it but at the same time gets very angry with people who don't follow the hotel rules. | |||
"I've never worked in retail or hospitality or been a frontline/essential worker but two of my children are. I have no problem with someone not wearing a mask for medical reasons but there's nothing preventing them from making the effort to wear a lanyard which will at least inform others. It's the vanloads of workmen queueing at deli counters for their morning fry with no masks that I don't get. It's like fabbers who sign up to this site and then whinge daily about the site rules. If you aren't prepared to follow clearly displayed rules for each premises then don't go in. I dont believe anyone who says that they wont wear a mask for medical reasons. Because they can easily wear one of those plexiglas face shields instead. They dont interfere with your breathing whatsoever. They arent as effective as masks, but still significantly reduce the risk of spread. Anyone who says that they are exempt is talking bullshit. I can understand them because I am asthmatic and while I agree that facecoverings of any description don't reduce oxygen intake there is definitely a heightened level of anxiety and I have a daughter who is on the autistic spectrum and has to wear a visor every day in her hospitality role. She is stressed every single day by having to wear it but at the same time gets very angry with people who don't follow the hotel rules. " Exactly. If someone thinks their anxiety is bad, think about the workers who have to meet face to face with countless strangers every day, impossible to do any contact tracing. I guarantee their anxiety is a lot higher seeing a mask less person walk in, compared to the anxiety that person would have to feel putting on a face covering. | |||
"I've never worked in retail or hospitality or been a frontline/essential worker but two of my children are. I have no problem with someone not wearing a mask for medical reasons but there's nothing preventing them from making the effort to wear a lanyard which will at least inform others. It's the vanloads of workmen queueing at deli counters for their morning fry with no masks that I don't get. It's like fabbers who sign up to this site and then whinge daily about the site rules. If you aren't prepared to follow clearly displayed rules for each premises then don't go in. I dont believe anyone who says that they wont wear a mask for medical reasons. Because they can easily wear one of those plexiglas face shields instead. They dont interfere with your breathing whatsoever. They arent as effective as masks, but still significantly reduce the risk of spread. Anyone who says that they are exempt is talking bullshit. I can understand them because I am asthmatic and while I agree that facecoverings of any description don't reduce oxygen intake there is definitely a heightened level of anxiety and I have a daughter who is on the autistic spectrum and has to wear a visor every day in her hospitality role. She is stressed every single day by having to wear it but at the same time gets very angry with people who don't follow the hotel rules. Exactly. If someone thinks their anxiety is bad, think about the workers who have to meet face to face with countless strangers every day, impossible to do any contact tracing. I guarantee their anxiety is a lot higher seeing a mask less person walk in, compared to the anxiety that person would have to feel putting on a face covering." People seem to forget about those people tho and it is more about a lot not wanting to wear a mask because they feel they have a right not to. And yes they have a right not to but they should also accept the fact that a shop or person has a right not to serve them or interact with them if they don't. I've heard so many claim they won't wear them because they have asthma when they dont or have a mild form. Wearing a mask for 10 mins while you shop is not doing to effect your breathing to any great extent. I have chronic asthma and I wear mine in shops etc. I also wear a mask for work which is 12 hour shifts it is only taken off for the length of time it takes us to eat our lunch. And while yes I have to use my inhalers more I refuse to use my asthma as an excuse not to wear a mask when I have to go to the shops. I know for autistic people is can be hard to and some cannot wear one but the majority who don't quite simply just don't want to. | |||
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"I forgot mine. Put my jacket up over my mouth and nose. Is that acceptable, I wasn't sure but nobody stopped me." At least you tried in fairness You didnt march in shouting Fake News RTE is the virus Jom corr is right Gemma O Doherty is also right Its my constitutional right not to wear one It depletes my oxygen levels Its only the flu Donald Trump was right all along You weren't one of those wankers | |||
"Folks. Despite the falsely worded signs at entrances to supermarkets etc, it is not compulsory for all persons to wear a mask while inside. Certain people are exempt, in particular if one suffers from a disability /mental illness where wearing a ‘Face Covering’ causes one to suffer ‘Severe Distress’ among other ‘Reasonable Excuses’ as per the relevant Statute Instrument. The authority to query a customer regarding their non-wearing of a ‘face-covering’ is solely that of the business owner/person ordinarily in charge or the ‘occupier’. Google the definition of ‘Occupier’ if you so wish. Security/General workers etc have absolutely no legal grounds /authority to interact in anyway with customers reference ‘face-coverings’. If you have a ‘reasonable excuse’ as per the respective Statute Instrument , and if your non-wearing of a ‘face-covering’ is queried by a ‘responsible person’ (The 3 listed above), all you are legally required to say is that you have a ‘reasonable excuse’. End of conversation. The businesses ‘responsible person’ has no further legal authority to query your ‘reasonable excuse’ etc. If they were to attempt to stop you entering the premises based on the above , they would be very likely found to be in breach of the ‘Equal Status Acts 2000-2012’, essentially being discriminatory because of a person’s disability. Yes, mental illness/physical illness/ anxiety etc is a legal form of disability. To those of you jumping on the bandwagon that everyone should be wearing a ‘mask’ (the legal definition is in fact face-covering) , please educate yourselves reference the relevant Statute Instrument and legislation. Don’t be that clown that thinks just because someone walks from their car having parked in a space reserved for a ‘Wheelchair-user‘ is not legally permitted to be parked there. Disability comes in many forms. Education is the key. For the record, I’m not anti ‘Face-Covering’, I’m simply highlighting that the wearing of same is not compulsory for everyone. Incidentally there is no law in force stating the wearing of same is required in Banks/Credit unions or restaurants when you’re making your way to and from your table/ bathroom etc. (Despite what many restaurant managers think). I’ve watched restaurant patrons enter restaurant wearing a face-covering, walk briskly to their table whereupon they remove same to read the menu and order food etc. Apparently the virus keeps away from you once you hold a menu or glass of wine in your hand. Not sure why we’re awaiting a vaccine when all you need to do to keep safe is to hold a menu aloft. Give me patience.
SI 296 of 2020 for those that are interested in the law as opposed to the band-wagon.
Except every single shop has the right to refuse entry or service to anyone for any reason
If you buy a ticket to a concert it says on the back you can be refused entry or removed from the premises at the promoters discretion
All pubs have the right to refuse admission
All restaurants have the right to refuse admission
So forget the mask wearing if you want to be a gobshite....for any other non disclosed reason you're not getting into my business
BELOW IS MY REPLY TO ‘BOG M’s‘ POST. (The “Quote & Reply” option appears to copy a thread and so can appear that I’m replying to myself.... Only adding to the confusion as to who said what).
Bog_m : To address one of your points... “Every single shop has the right to refuse entry or service to anyone for any reason”.
Any reason? Because they’re elderly/ a member of the travelling community/ a certain race etc? Good luck with that.
I’m simply quoting the legislation.
That’s what will be quoted to you by a Judge/Barrister when you’re before the courts if you refuse someone who claims to have a ‘Reasonable excuse’ from entering your premises (assuming your premises is a ‘Specified Premises’ or ‘A specified Service or Business’) as per the Statute Instrument.
The Statute Instrument to which I’ve referred was signed into law on August 8th 2020 by Minister of Health, Mr Stephen Donnelly.
You, or indeed anybody, can challenge any legislation enacted simply by challenging same in the High Court. This would involve you as an individual taking the Irish State to court.
Let us know how you get on, and we can all chip in a few € to a GoFundMe page as High Court challenges don’t come cheap
"I've had 6 million walk in customers in the last 10 years and haven't lost a case for refusing service or refusal to allow entrance to the premises yet Thanks for the offer...don't need crowd funding | |||
"I forgot mine. Put my jacket up over my mouth and nose. Is that acceptable, I wasn't sure but nobody stopped me. At least you tried in fairness You didnt march in shouting Fake News RTE is the virus Jom corr is right Gemma O Doherty is also right Its my constitutional right not to wear one It depletes my oxygen levels Its only the flu Donald Trump was right all along You weren't one of those wankers " I'm sure every one of us have left the house and forgot their keys, wallet etc at some stage. And that's after a lifetime of doing the same: phone, keys, wallet, routine every time you leave the house. Its bound to happen, but I think it's easy to tell the diff between someone who genuinely just realised that they forgot, and one if the nuts BogM speak of above. | |||
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"I forgot mine. Put my jacket up over my mouth and nose. Is that acceptable, I wasn't sure but nobody stopped me." If , as you say, it covered your mouth and nose, then yes it’s a face covering. Nowhere in the legislation is the word mask used, so it doesn’t have to be what is being now sold widely as ‘Masks’. Anything that covers your mouth and nose is sufficient. | |||
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"All a shop worker has to say is... Your invitation to shop here today has been declined.... As per law.... Job done" Not quite. | |||
" "Granted, there may be people with some anxiety like claustrophobia that they dont wanna wear a mask. But in that case, tough shit!!" Jesus Christ, are you for real?!
Of course I'm for real! Are you??? Someone is whinging about being anxious for having to wear a mask, so instead of just just getting their groceries delivered like 1000s of others nowadays, they feel entitled enough to kill a perfect stranger just to save a fiver on delivery.
I beg to differ. I can't get a delivery slot for 3 weeks. I have now had to buy a lanyard to stop the snide comments and nasty glares when I'm out. It's nobody else's business about my medical history. This does not make me a killer or entitled. If I was in a wheelchair would you expect me to get out of it and walk? If I had a broken arm would you insist that I used it to do everything? No you wouldn't. Some illnesses, disabilities and mental conditions are not immediately visible. People need to stop being so narrow minded.
Well if you unknowingly spread the virus to someone, and it kills them, just because you didnt want to bother book your groceries a few weeks in advance, I'm afraid that does make you a killer in my eyes.
And it's not gonna kill you to wear a mask for 10 minutes in a store, you will get over it. Covid "does" kill people, and if it doesnt, it can take months of sickness to get over it.
If the snide comments bother you that much, make alternative arrangements or suck it up and wear a mask"Words fail me.  | |||
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"I've never worked in retail or hospitality or been a frontline/essential worker but two of my children are. I have no problem with someone not wearing a mask for medical reasons but there's nothing preventing them from making the effort to wear a lanyard which will at least inform others. It's the vanloads of workmen queueing at deli counters for their morning fry with no masks that I don't get. It's like fabbers who sign up to this site and then whinge daily about the site rules. If you aren't prepared to follow clearly displayed rules for each premises then don't go in. I dont believe anyone who says that they wont wear a mask for medical reasons. Because they can easily wear one of those plexiglas face shields instead. They dont interfere with your breathing whatsoever. They arent as effective as masks, but still significantly reduce the risk of spread. Anyone who says that they are exempt is talking bullshit. " I'm asthmatic and I'm exempt. However I always wear a face covering. There have been occasions though when I've had to remove it. For example, if a shop is particularly warm it can trigger the beginning of an attack. In those cases I have removed my mask for a short period of time so that I can administer my inhaler and gather myself for a few minutes. Having said this, I don't presume all asthma sufferers to be the same as me. | |||
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"Agreed with the above thread...in a shop I ask people to move away from me if they get too close and thats about it being honest Mrsgiveswood...you're in The UK so its different over there In The Republic Of Ireland we don't have to wait 3 weeks for a delivery and even in the area i live in we shop for other people that are house bound or sick ...a lot of communities do this. I dont think the lanyard system is over here but I could be wrong ...I've never heard of it" It probably is very different in Ireland, the same goes for Scotland and Wales. Delivery slots over here are like gold dust. Trust me, if I could get one, I would. I can't stand going into supermarkets at the best of times, let alone at the moment due to the ignorance of some people. Not all disabilities and conditions are visible to the eye. People's mental health conditions are just as real. But then, some are still of the opinion if you can't see it, it's not there. | |||
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" "Granted, there may be people with some anxiety like claustrophobia that they dont wanna wear a mask. But in that case, tough shit!!" Jesus Christ, are you for real?!
Of course I'm for real! Are you??? Someone is whinging about being anxious for having to wear a mask, so instead of just just getting their groceries delivered like 1000s of others nowadays, they feel entitled enough to kill a perfect stranger just to save a fiver on delivery.
I beg to differ. I can't get a delivery slot for 3 weeks. I have now had to buy a lanyard to stop the snide comments and nasty glares when I'm out. It's nobody else's business about my medical history. This does not make me a killer or entitled. If I was in a wheelchair would you expect me to get out of it and walk? If I had a broken arm would you insist that I used it to do everything? No you wouldn't. Some illnesses, disabilities and mental conditions are not immediately visible. People need to stop being so narrow minded. "They can ask you for a medical certificate from your doctor. If you don't have one on you, they can refuse entry. This was on the news again last week. People with such medical conditions have been told to get a certificate. And why wouldn't you to help avoid issues? To say I don't have too is fine, but don't complain if others around do complain or if you're prevented entry to a shop for the health of others. Simple solution but some just don't like being told. | |||
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" "Granted, there may be people with some anxiety like claustrophobia that they dont wanna wear a mask. But in that case, tough shit!!" Jesus Christ, are you for real?!
Of course I'm for real! Are you??? Someone is whinging about being anxious for having to wear a mask, so instead of just just getting their groceries delivered like 1000s of others nowadays, they feel entitled enough to kill a perfect stranger just to save a fiver on delivery.
I beg to differ. I can't get a delivery slot for 3 weeks. I have now had to buy a lanyard to stop the snide comments and nasty glares when I'm out. It's nobody else's business about my medical history. This does not make me a killer or entitled. If I was in a wheelchair would you expect me to get out of it and walk? If I had a broken arm would you insist that I used it to do everything? No you wouldn't. Some illnesses, disabilities and mental conditions are not immediately visible. People need to stop being so narrow minded.
They can ask you for a medical certificate from your doctor. If you don't have one on you, they can refuse entry. This was on the news again last week. People with such medical conditions have been told to get a certificate.
And why wouldn't you to help avoid issues? To say I don't have too is fine, but don't complain if others around do complain or if you're prevented entry to a shop for the health of others.
Simple solution but some just don't like being told."From the above post.. "2)...’Reasonable excuse’ (The legally acceptable excuse you may have which grants you exemption from the wearing of ‘face-covering’). You are under no obligation to reveal the details of your medical condition to the ‘Responsible Person’. Think about it... why would you reveal your medical condition to a manager of a shop!" Nowhere within that post does it state that by law you require a medical exemption certificate from your doctor for exemption. | |||
" "Granted, there may be people with some anxiety like claustrophobia that they dont wanna wear a mask. But in that case, tough shit!!" Jesus Christ, are you for real?!
Of course I'm for real! Are you??? Someone is whinging about being anxious for having to wear a mask, so instead of just just getting their groceries delivered like 1000s of others nowadays, they feel entitled enough to kill a perfect stranger just to save a fiver on delivery.
I beg to differ. I can't get a delivery slot for 3 weeks. I have now had to buy a lanyard to stop the snide comments and nasty glares when I'm out. It's nobody else's business about my medical history. This does not make me a killer or entitled. If I was in a wheelchair would you expect me to get out of it and walk? If I had a broken arm would you insist that I used it to do everything? No you wouldn't. Some illnesses, disabilities and mental conditions are not immediately visible. People need to stop being so narrow minded.
They can ask you for a medical certificate from your doctor. If you don't have one on you, they can refuse entry. This was on the news again last week. People with such medical conditions have been told to get a certificate.
And why wouldn't you to help avoid issues? To say I don't have too is fine, but don't complain if others around do complain or if you're prevented entry to a shop for the health of others.
Simple solution but some just don't like being told.
From the above post..
"2)...’Reasonable excuse’ (The legally acceptable excuse you may have which grants you exemption from the wearing of ‘face-covering’). You are under no obligation to reveal the details of your medical condition to the ‘Responsible Person’. Think about it... why would you reveal your medical condition to a manager of a shop!"
Nowhere within that post does it state that by law you require a medical exemption certificate from your doctor for exemption. "Anyone can then waltz around claiming to have "reasonable excuse", medical certification should be required IMO if the powers that be were serious about this (it doesnt have to state the reason the doctor has given the exemption). Unfortunately it's the usual half-assed effort. | |||
" "Granted, there may be people with some anxiety like claustrophobia that they dont wanna wear a mask. But in that case, tough shit!!" Jesus Christ, are you for real?!
Of course I'm for real! Are you??? Someone is whinging about being anxious for having to wear a mask, so instead of just just getting their groceries delivered like 1000s of others nowadays, they feel entitled enough to kill a perfect stranger just to save a fiver on delivery.
I beg to differ. I can't get a delivery slot for 3 weeks. I have now had to buy a lanyard to stop the snide comments and nasty glares when I'm out. It's nobody else's business about my medical history. This does not make me a killer or entitled. If I was in a wheelchair would you expect me to get out of it and walk? If I had a broken arm would you insist that I used it to do everything? No you wouldn't. Some illnesses, disabilities and mental conditions are not immediately visible. People need to stop being so narrow minded.
They can ask you for a medical certificate from your doctor. If you don't have one on you, they can refuse entry. This was on the news again last week. People with such medical conditions have been told to get a certificate.
And why wouldn't you to help avoid issues? To say I don't have too is fine, but don't complain if others around do complain or if you're prevented entry to a shop for the health of others.
Simple solution but some just don't like being told.
From the above post..
"2)...’Reasonable excuse’ (The legally acceptable excuse you may have which grants you exemption from the wearing of ‘face-covering’). You are under no obligation to reveal the details of your medical condition to the ‘Responsible Person’. Think about it... why would you reveal your medical condition to a manager of a shop!"
Nowhere within that post does it state that by law you require a medical exemption certificate from your doctor for exemption.
Anyone can then waltz around claiming to have "reasonable excuse", medical certification should be required IMO if the powers that be were serious about this (it doesnt have to state the reason the doctor has given the exemption). Unfortunately it's the usual half-assed effort."Totally agree with you | |||
"2. These Regulations shall remain in operation until the 5th day of October 2020. ? " 9th November according to citizens information site | |||
" "Granted, there may be people with some anxiety like claustrophobia that they dont wanna wear a mask. But in that case, tough shit!!" Jesus Christ, are you for real?!
Of course I'm for real! Are you??? Someone is whinging about being anxious for having to wear a mask, so instead of just just getting their groceries delivered like 1000s of others nowadays, they feel entitled enough to kill a perfect stranger just to save a fiver on delivery.
I beg to differ. I can't get a delivery slot for 3 weeks. I have now had to buy a lanyard to stop the snide comments and nasty glares when I'm out. It's nobody else's business about my medical history. This does not make me a killer or entitled. If I was in a wheelchair would you expect me to get out of it and walk? If I had a broken arm would you insist that I used it to do everything? No you wouldn't. Some illnesses, disabilities and mental conditions are not immediately visible. People need to stop being so narrow minded.
They can ask you for a medical certificate from your doctor. If you don't have one on you, they can refuse entry. This was on the news again last week. People with such medical conditions have been told to get a certificate.
And why wouldn't you to help avoid issues? To say I don't have too is fine, but don't complain if others around do complain or if you're prevented entry to a shop for the health of others.
Simple solution but some just don't like being told.
From the above post..
"2)...’Reasonable excuse’ (The legally acceptable excuse you may have which grants you exemption from the wearing of ‘face-covering’). You are under no obligation to reveal the details of your medical condition to the ‘Responsible Person’. Think about it... why would you reveal your medical condition to a manager of a shop!"
Nowhere within that post does it state that by law you require a medical exemption certificate from your doctor for exemption.
Anyone can then waltz around claiming to have "reasonable excuse", medical certification should be required IMO if the powers that be were serious about this (it doesnt have to state the reason the doctor has given the exemption). Unfortunately it's the usual half-assed effort.Totally agree with you"I also agree with you folks regarding some waltzing around falsely claiming to have a ‘reasonable excuse’ etc However that applies to all aspects of life. Just look at those that abuse the facility that is a parking space designated for those with a disability permit... “oh I’m only going to be a minute/ just going to the atm/ just buying a bottle of milk/ or my most recent encounter with a woman who was parked blocking both a disabled bay and an ‘age-friendly‘ parking space...” I’m not parked, my hazard lights are on”. However society shouldn’t question the genuine people because of a few. For those commenting that one requires a Medical Certificate to prove they have a ‘Reasonable excuse’... I’ll refer you to the legislation as I’ve posted it above. Nowhere does it state that a medical certificate is required. Here’s another conundrum regarding the wearing of face-coverings So society has for the most part accepted that one should wear a face-covering in a store etc. (With the above referenced lawful exceptions). You wear your face covering in the store... you exit the store... you remove your face covering. So why are you then wearing the face covering in the store only for you to immediately remove it when you exit the store. Is it the law (rules) you’re afraid of, or the health risk? The virus is outside as well you know. Just something to ponder. | |||
" "Granted, there may be people with some anxiety like claustrophobia that they dont wanna wear a mask. But in that case, tough shit!!" Jesus Christ, are you for real?!
Of course I'm for real! Are you??? Someone is whinging about being anxious for having to wear a mask, so instead of just just getting their groceries delivered like 1000s of others nowadays, they feel entitled enough to kill a perfect stranger just to save a fiver on delivery.
I beg to differ. I can't get a delivery slot for 3 weeks. I have now had to buy a lanyard to stop the snide comments and nasty glares when I'm out. It's nobody else's business about my medical history. This does not make me a killer or entitled. If I was in a wheelchair would you expect me to get out of it and walk? If I had a broken arm would you insist that I used it to do everything? No you wouldn't. Some illnesses, disabilities and mental conditions are not immediately visible. People need to stop being so narrow minded.
They can ask you for a medical certificate from your doctor. If you don't have one on you, they can refuse entry. This was on the news again last week. People with such medical conditions have been told to get a certificate.
And why wouldn't you to help avoid issues? To say I don't have too is fine, but don't complain if others around do complain or if you're prevented entry to a shop for the health of others.
Simple solution but some just don't like being told.
From the above post..
"2)...’Reasonable excuse’ (The legally acceptable excuse you may have which grants you exemption from the wearing of ‘face-covering’). You are under no obligation to reveal the details of your medical condition to the ‘Responsible Person’. Think about it... why would you reveal your medical condition to a manager of a shop!"
Nowhere within that post does it state that by law you require a medical exemption certificate from your doctor for exemption.
Anyone can then waltz around claiming to have "reasonable excuse", medical certification should be required IMO if the powers that be were serious about this (it doesnt have to state the reason the doctor has given the exemption). Unfortunately it's the usual half-assed effort.Totally agree with you
I also agree with you folks regarding some waltzing around falsely claiming to have a ‘reasonable excuse’ etc
However that applies to all aspects of life. Just look at those that abuse the facility that is a parking space designated for those with a disability permit... “oh I’m only going to be a minute/ just going to the atm/ just buying a bottle of milk/ or my most recent encounter with a woman who was parked blocking both a disabled bay and an ‘age-friendly‘ parking space...” I’m not parked, my hazard lights are on”.
However society shouldn’t question the genuine people because of a few.
For those commenting that one requires a Medical Certificate to prove they have a ‘Reasonable excuse’... I’ll refer you to the legislation as I’ve posted it above.
Nowhere does it state that a medical certificate is required.
Here’s another conundrum regarding the wearing of face-coverings
So society has for the most part accepted that one should wear a face-covering in a store etc. (With the above referenced lawful exceptions).
You wear your face covering in the store... you exit the store... you remove your face covering.
So why are you then wearing the face covering in the store only for you to immediately remove it when you exit the store.
Is it the law (rules) you’re afraid of, or the health risk?
The virus is outside as well you know.
Just something to ponder.
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" "Granted, there may be people with some anxiety like claustrophobia that they dont wanna wear a mask. But in that case, tough shit!!" Jesus Christ, are you for real?!
Of course I'm for real! Are you??? Someone is whinging about being anxious for having to wear a mask, so instead of just just getting their groceries delivered like 1000s of others nowadays, they feel entitled enough to kill a perfect stranger just to save a fiver on delivery.
I beg to differ. I can't get a delivery slot for 3 weeks. I have now had to buy a lanyard to stop the snide comments and nasty glares when I'm out. It's nobody else's business about my medical history. This does not make me a killer or entitled. If I was in a wheelchair would you expect me to get out of it and walk? If I had a broken arm would you insist that I used it to do everything? No you wouldn't. Some illnesses, disabilities and mental conditions are not immediately visible. People need to stop being so narrow minded.
They can ask you for a medical certificate from your doctor. If you don't have one on you, they can refuse entry. This was on the news again last week. People with such medical conditions have been told to get a certificate.
And why wouldn't you to help avoid issues? To say I don't have too is fine, but don't complain if others around do complain or if you're prevented entry to a shop for the health of others.
Simple solution but some just don't like being told.
From the above post..
"2)...’Reasonable excuse’ (The legally acceptable excuse you may have which grants you exemption from the wearing of ‘face-covering’). You are under no obligation to reveal the details of your medical condition to the ‘Responsible Person’. Think about it... why would you reveal your medical condition to a manager of a shop!"
Nowhere within that post does it state that by law you require a medical exemption certificate from your doctor for exemption.
Anyone can then waltz around claiming to have "reasonable excuse", medical certification should be required IMO if the powers that be were serious about this (it doesnt have to state the reason the doctor has given the exemption). Unfortunately it's the usual half-assed effort."What next? We all have to have the vaccination, antibody tests etc and carry papers to prove it, no papers, no work, no benefits, no leisure, I could go on but it would just be banging my head against a brick wall. You clearly have no compassion or empathy for anyone else. If you knew my personal circumstances and history then I'm sure you would at least understand. Or maybe not, who knows? | |||
"Sorry but i take great offence with your suggestion that i am jumping on the band wagon as we all know it is mandatory that we wear "face coverings" as i was corrected in shops and public buildings so basically what you are saying that it is ok for someone to be selfish and walk into a shop without a face covering and expose me to god knows what but i have no right to complain when i choose to do what we have been told by our government i understand that there are people who have reasons for not wearing them but why then have they not got some form of id on there person explaining this very simple solution " Maybe you’d like them to wear a big yellow wheelchair patch to show others they’re disabled ? | |||
" "Granted, there may be people with some anxiety like claustrophobia that they dont wanna wear a mask. But in that case, tough shit!!" Jesus Christ, are you for real?!
Of course I'm for real! Are you??? Someone is whinging about being anxious for having to wear a mask, so instead of just just getting their groceries delivered like 1000s of others nowadays, they feel entitled enough to kill a perfect stranger just to save a fiver on delivery.
I beg to differ. I can't get a delivery slot for 3 weeks. I have now had to buy a lanyard to stop the snide comments and nasty glares when I'm out. It's nobody else's business about my medical history. This does not make me a killer or entitled. If I was in a wheelchair would you expect me to get out of it and walk? If I had a broken arm would you insist that I used it to do everything? No you wouldn't. Some illnesses, disabilities and mental conditions are not immediately visible. People need to stop being so narrow minded.
They can ask you for a medical certificate from your doctor. If you don't have one on you, they can refuse entry. This was on the news again last week. People with such medical conditions have been told to get a certificate.
And why wouldn't you to help avoid issues? To say I don't have too is fine, but don't complain if others around do complain or if you're prevented entry to a shop for the health of others.
Simple solution but some just don't like being told.
From the above post..
"2)...’Reasonable excuse’ (The legally acceptable excuse you may have which grants you exemption from the wearing of ‘face-covering’). You are under no obligation to reveal the details of your medical condition to the ‘Responsible Person’. Think about it... why would you reveal your medical condition to a manager of a shop!"
Nowhere within that post does it state that by law you require a medical exemption certificate from your doctor for exemption. "I didn't say it was law ore a legal requirement, I just said that it's been suggested and encouraged for them to get a certificate from the their gp. But some just seem to like the agro it can cause. Legalism over common sense sums a lot in here tbh. | |||
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"Sorry but i take great offence with your suggestion that i am jumping on the band wagon as we all know it is mandatory that we wear "face coverings" as i was corrected in shops and public buildings so basically what you are saying that it is ok for someone to be selfish and walk into a shop without a face covering and expose me to god knows what but i have no right to complain when i choose to do what we have been told by our government i understand that there are people who have reasons for not wearing them but why then have they not got some form of id on there person explaining this very simple solution Maybe you’d like them to wear a big yellow wheelchair patch to show others they’re disabled ?" Good thinking. It may stand out more than my exemption lanyard which states (clearly, I think!) that I am exempt. Let's not stop there, should we have big yellow patches stating the exact reason as to why we are exempt? Eg breathing difficulties, mental trauma, asthma, claustrophobia, the list could be endless. Thus telling all and sundry our medical histories when it's actually none of their business. | |||
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"Is there ANYTHING to be said for another Mass?" thats an ecumenical matter | |||
" "Granted, there may be people with some anxiety like claustrophobia that they dont wanna wear a mask. But in that case, tough shit!!" Jesus Christ, are you for real?!
Of course I'm for real! Are you??? Someone is whinging about being anxious for having to wear a mask, so instead of just just getting their groceries delivered like 1000s of others nowadays, they feel entitled enough to kill a perfect stranger just to save a fiver on delivery.
I beg to differ. I can't get a delivery slot for 3 weeks. I have now had to buy a lanyard to stop the snide comments and nasty glares when I'm out. It's nobody else's business about my medical history. This does not make me a killer or entitled. If I was in a wheelchair would you expect me to get out of it and walk? If I had a broken arm would you insist that I used it to do everything? No you wouldn't. Some illnesses, disabilities and mental conditions are not immediately visible. People need to stop being so narrow minded.
They can ask you for a medical certificate from your doctor. If you don't have one on you, they can refuse entry. This was on the news again last week. People with such medical conditions have been told to get a certificate.
And why wouldn't you to help avoid issues? To say I don't have too is fine, but don't complain if others around do complain or if you're prevented entry to a shop for the health of others.
Simple solution but some just don't like being told.
From the above post..
"2)...’Reasonable excuse’ (The legally acceptable excuse you may have which grants you exemption from the wearing of ‘face-covering’). You are under no obligation to reveal the details of your medical condition to the ‘Responsible Person’. Think about it... why would you reveal your medical condition to a manager of a shop!"
Nowhere within that post does it state that by law you require a medical exemption certificate from your doctor for exemption.
Anyone can then waltz around claiming to have "reasonable excuse", medical certification should be required IMO if the powers that be were serious about this (it doesnt have to state the reason the doctor has given the exemption). Unfortunately it's the usual half-assed effort.
What next? We all have to have the vaccination, antibody tests etc and carry papers to prove it, no papers, no work, no benefits, no leisure, I could go on but it would just be banging my head against a brick wall. You clearly have no compassion or empathy for anyone else. If you knew my personal circumstances and history then I'm sure you would at least understand. Or maybe not, who knows? "Or is it that you see only your own circumstances and have no compassion or empathy for those medically vulnerable to covid who are fearful of caching it while going to a shop? What about their anxiety issues? Or don't they matter? | |||
" "Granted, there may be people with some anxiety like claustrophobia that they dont wanna wear a mask. But in that case, tough shit!!" Jesus Christ, are you for real?!
Of course I'm for real! Are you??? Someone is whinging about being anxious for having to wear a mask, so instead of just just getting their groceries delivered like 1000s of others nowadays, they feel entitled enough to kill a perfect stranger just to save a fiver on delivery.
I beg to differ. I can't get a delivery slot for 3 weeks. I have now had to buy a lanyard to stop the snide comments and nasty glares when I'm out. It's nobody else's business about my medical history. This does not make me a killer or entitled. If I was in a wheelchair would you expect me to get out of it and walk? If I had a broken arm would you insist that I used it to do everything? No you wouldn't. Some illnesses, disabilities and mental conditions are not immediately visible. People need to stop being so narrow minded.
They can ask you for a medical certificate from your doctor. If you don't have one on you, they can refuse entry. This was on the news again last week. People with such medical conditions have been told to get a certificate.
And why wouldn't you to help avoid issues? To say I don't have too is fine, but don't complain if others around do complain or if you're prevented entry to a shop for the health of others.
Simple solution but some just don't like being told.
From the above post..
"2)...’Reasonable excuse’ (The legally acceptable excuse you may have which grants you exemption from the wearing of ‘face-covering’). You are under no obligation to reveal the details of your medical condition to the ‘Responsible Person’. Think about it... why would you reveal your medical condition to a manager of a shop!"
Nowhere within that post does it state that by law you require a medical exemption certificate from your doctor for exemption.
Anyone can then waltz around claiming to have "reasonable excuse", medical certification should be required IMO if the powers that be were serious about this (it doesnt have to state the reason the doctor has given the exemption). Unfortunately it's the usual half-assed effort.
What next? We all have to have the vaccination, antibody tests etc and carry papers to prove it, no papers, no work, no benefits, no leisure, I could go on but it would just be banging my head against a brick wall. You clearly have no compassion or empathy for anyone else. If you knew my personal circumstances and history then I'm sure you would at least understand. Or maybe not, who knows?
Or is it that you see only your own circumstances and have no compassion or empathy for those medically vulnerable to covid who are fearful of caching it while going to a shop? What about their anxiety issues? Or don't they matter?" | |||
"Cant believe what i have just witness went to go into my local tescos and there was a queue so fair enough i joined it i could hear a woman behind me talking in a forgein language was my turn to go in so already havingy mask on i stopped to sanitize my trolley and hands then out of nowhere the woman behind me muttered something in her own language bumped into me and walked on into the store with no mask and without sanitising i said to the shop marshall are you not going to stop her his reply was nothing i can do she is forgein possibly doesnt understand the rules i ask you who the fuck doeant know the rules by now when there are aigns up everywhere saying keep 2metres apart and wear a mask when entering shops think its time to bycott tescos they obviously dont give a damn aboyt their customers just their profits so much for us all being in this together this xountry is a joke " Tesco would the last place I'd do any shopping in I'm more lidl, aldi,Iceland and occasionally supervalu Unfortunately there are many like this woman unless you have been living under a rock you fully well know what's going on it's people like her that think they are better than everyone else they need to come down from their high horse and get back to reality | |||
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"If i tried to get into a shop just wearing my underpants and nothing else how far in the door would i het b4 id be fucked out ? " Volunteers to remove him...    | |||
"Ever since the masks have become Compulsory I find shops are letting more people in. Also masks do work but I think people have become less vigilant with hand hygiene and social distancing. " I agree. | |||
"Read through 71 post ( skimmed some) and not once did anyone suggest some space, compassion and patience for another person who may be struggling to cope, feed the family, understand the rules or adapt to the changes. Thats kinda sad" | |||
"Read through 71 post ( skimmed some) and not once did anyone suggest some space, compassion and patience for another person who may be struggling to cope, feed the family, understand the rules or adapt to the changes. Thats kinda sad" Well the thread is about people misbehaving, not complying to the rules and being disrespectful. The rules are simple, you don't have to be a genius to understand them and there's no excuse pose a risk to others. I think almost everyone is fed up with the situation and yes some struggle more than others and we all feel for those that are hit hard by it yet again it's no excuse to disrespect each others space and health. | |||
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"Like a.ouncer can literally refuse access to an premesis because someone is wearing the wrong shoes, or just because someone looks like trouble.. Just saying "not tonight" " You can't refuse for those reasons.. If you dont like the look of someone etc all you have to say is "in my opinion you've had to much to drink", this covers you as its not a policy or rule your stating your own opinion. | |||
"Folks. Despite the falsely worded signs at entrances to supermarkets etc, it is not compulsory for all persons to wear a mask while inside. Certain people are exempt, in particular if one suffers from a disability /mental illness where wearing a ‘Face Covering’ causes one to suffer ‘Severe Distress’ among other ‘Reasonable Excuses’ as per the relevant Statute Instrument. The authority to query a customer regarding their non-wearing of a ‘face-covering’ is solely that of the business owner/person ordinarily in charge or the ‘occupier’. Google the definition of ‘Occupier’ if you so wish. Security/General workers etc have absolutely no legal grounds /authority to interact in anyway with customers reference ‘face-coverings’. If you have a ‘reasonable excuse’ as per the respective Statute Instrument , and if your non-wearing of a ‘face-covering’ is queried by a ‘responsible person’ (The 3 listed above), all you are legally required to say is that you have a ‘reasonable excuse’. End of conversation. The businesses ‘responsible person’ has no further legal authority to query your ‘reasonable excuse’ etc. If they were to attempt to stop you entering the premises based on the above , they would be very likely found to be in breach of the ‘Equal Status Acts 2000-2012’, essentially being discriminatory because of a person’s disability. Yes, mental illness/physical illness/ anxiety etc is a legal form of disability. To those of you jumping on the bandwagon that everyone should be wearing a ‘mask’ (the legal definition is in fact face-covering) , please educate yourselves reference the relevant Statute Instrument and legislation. Don’t be that clown that thinks just because someone walks from their car having parked in a space reserved for a ‘Wheelchair-user‘ is not legally permitted to be parked there. Disability comes in many forms. Education is the key. For the record, I’m not anti ‘Face-Covering’, I’m simply highlighting that the wearing of same is not compulsory for everyone. Incidentally there is no law in force stating the wearing of same is required in Banks/Credit unions or restaurants when you’re making your way to and from your table/ bathroom etc. (Despite what many restaurant managers think). I’ve watched restaurant patrons enter restaurant wearing a face-covering, walk briskly to their table whereupon they remove same to read the menu and order food etc. Apparently the virus keeps away from you once you hold a menu or glass of wine in your hand. Not sure why we’re awaiting a vaccine when all you need to do to keep safe is to hold a menu aloft. Give me patience.
SI 296 of 2020 for those that are interested in the law as opposed to the band-wagon. "Good Post. No drama. | |||
"Sorry but i take great offence with your suggestion that i am jumping on the band wagon as we all know it is mandatory that we wear "face coverings" as i was corrected in shops and public buildings so basically what you are saying that it is ok for someone to be selfish and walk into a shop without a face covering and expose me to god knows what but i have no right to complain when i choose to do what we have been told by our government i understand that there are people who have reasons for not wearing them but why then have they not got some form of id on there person explaining this very simple solution " Laws, advisories, guidelines, are different in all jurisdictions. | |||
"Like a.ouncer can literally refuse access to an premesis because someone is wearing the wrong shoes, or just because someone looks like trouble.. Just saying "not tonight" You can't refuse for those reasons.. If you dont like the look of someone etc all you have to say is "in my opinion you've had to much to drink", this covers you as its not a policy or rule your stating your own opinion. " They can't but they most certainly do I went to a night club in limerick for new years I think it's called smyths bar this was my 1st time going there and the 1sr and only place I went to that night approached the entrance I was met by this bald headed guy asking how am I asked for my ID just as I was trying to get it out I get a tap on my shoulder saying not tonight literally killing my evening but yet leave a big crowd in without stopping them I don't know what it's like anywhere else but this place is worth avoiding complete gobshites | |||
"Yes i would agree plenty of our own citizens doing the same and i get just as mad with them if not more so it just so happened this lady was forgein if it had of been one of our own citizens i would have been equally annoyed " You specifically mentioned that the person was a foreigner in your initial post. This singles them out as opposed to be just someone who didn’t wear a mask. I don’t think your latent prejudice against foreigners can be explained away that easily. There are ignorant shits in every country I’ve visited as there are in Ireland - and there are those who are cultivated. No need to point out they weren’t Irish. | |||
"Like a.ouncer can literally refuse access to an premesis because someone is wearing the wrong shoes, or just because someone looks like trouble.. Just saying "not tonight" You can't refuse for those reasons.. If you dont like the look of someone etc all you have to say is "in my opinion you've had to much to drink", this covers you as its not a policy or rule your stating your own opinion. " Bars and restaurants routinely turn away folks dressed wrong, or who are the wrong demographic, or who have the wrong accent. | |||
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"I forgot mine. Put my jacket up over my mouth and nose. Is that acceptable, I wasn't sure but nobody stopped me. If , as you say, it covered your mouth and nose, then yes it’s a face covering. Nowhere in the legislation is the word mask used, so it doesn’t have to be what is being now sold widely as ‘Masks’. Anything that covers your mouth and nose is sufficient. ""Anything" protect you from Covid same as my t-shirt is protecting me from bullet | |||
"Cant believe what i have just witness went to go into my local tescos and there was a queue so fair enough i joined it i could hear a woman behind me talking in a forgein language was my turn to go in so already havingy mask on i stopped to sanitize my trolley and hands then out of nowhere the woman behind me muttered something in her own language bumped into me and walked on into the store with no mask and without sanitising i said to the shop marshall are you not going to stop her his reply was nothing i can do she is forgein possibly doesnt understand the rules i ask you who the fuck doeant know the rules by now when there are aigns up everywhere saying keep 2metres apart and wear a mask when entering shops think its time to bycott tescos they obviously dont give a damn aboyt their customers just their profits so much for us all being in this together this xountry is a joke " These are guidelines no legislation exists to give Gardaí any power in this respect ne er mind a lad who works for tescos also what in the name of fuck does her being from a different country have to do with it the casual racism in this country is disgusting towards foreign nationals and the travelling community. | |||
