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over a year ago
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As in meeting in groups maybe not but meeting one on one got for a bit of fun i think the odds r pretty low i mean you be in contact with more people going to the shop for some milk. |
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"As in meeting in groups maybe not but meeting one on one got for a bit of fun i think the odds r pretty low i mean you be in contact with more people going to the shop for some milk. "
Don’t think the girl on the till would appreciate a snog while checking out the milk , but I would if she would  |
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Its killed feck all people in the grand scheme of things. Theres 9 billion people on the planet and has it even come close to killing 1% of that population. Let nature take its course and save the economy. |
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"Its killed feck all people in the grand scheme of things. Theres 9 billion people on the planet and has it even come close to killing 1% of that population. Let nature take its course and save the economy. "
So good luck to those 10 million people so is it? |
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Not 10 million, 9 billion. We need a cull. Its gonna happen one way or another. We are a cancer on the face of the planet. Eating and destroying everything we are unsustainable and out of control. Iv made a conscious decision to not have kids. But I sure as shit like practicing for them. |
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"Its killed feck all people in the grand scheme of things. Theres 9 billion people on the planet and has it even come close to killing 1% of that population. Let nature take its course and save the economy. "
So if it killed someone close to you would your attitude towards it be the same. Imagine you got it and had the mildest of symptoms. That would be ok ya? For you! Maybe not so for who you could potentially infect |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Not 10 million, 9 billion. We need a cull. Its gonna happen one way or another. We are a cancer on the face of the planet. Eating and destroying everything we are unsustainable and out of control. Iv made a conscious decision to not have kids. But I sure as shit like practicing for them. "
Current global population is 7.8 billion. 1% =7.8 million
That's greater than the population of Ireland.
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Just over 1 million people world wide. Which is feck all. It's making a mountain out of a mole hill. Get out and enjoy your life instead of listening to government propaganda. Your far more lightly to die from mosquitos. |
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By *oo32Man
over a year ago
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"Just over 1 million people world wide. Which is feck all. It's making a mountain out of a mole hill. Get out and enjoy your life instead of listening to government propaganda. Your far more lightly to die from mosquitos."
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"Just over 1 million people world wide. Which is feck all. It's making a mountain out of a mole hill. Get out and enjoy your life instead of listening to government propaganda. Your far more lightly to die from mosquitos."
In ireland..reallly....Jesus at least bring some creditable argument to this. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There is a 0.27% chance of you dying from covid in Ireland. That's 1810 deaths with a population 5000000. Il take my chances. If you dont want to meet people it's your choice. "
Because of the unprecedented measures taken to contain it....
The "its not that big a deal" crowd always forget that part |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The restrictions are tough on everyone. And of course they are not fair. But if we had not implemented the restrictions we have, there is a very good chance our hospitals would be full to capacity, doctors would have to be making choices on who they admit for treatment and our death total would be multiples of what it is right now. So not sure what this 'propaganda' argument is based on. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Governments all over the world have compromised their local economies. I don 't see any high profile politician taking this action lightly. It was done to save lives and thank God they had the guts to follow through. |
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I respect your opinions, you really are right in saying that we could die of something else. statistically this is not a pandemic, the numbers speak for themselves. all they have done is limit our individual freedoms.
Why don't they publish the suicide rate because of the lockdown?
Why don't they evaluate depression in the population?
Why do they reject the advice of Psychologists and Psychiatrists to stop bombarding us 24/7 by the media, which has us all in a general panic? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I respect your opinions, you really are right in saying that we could die of something else. statistically this is not a pandemic, the numbers speak for themselves. all they have done is limit our individual freedoms.
Why don't they publish the suicide rate because of the lockdown?
Why don't they evaluate depression in the population?
Why do they reject the advice of Psychologists and Psychiatrists to stop bombarding us 24/7 by the media, which has us all in a general panic?"
Well, I think in general, people who commit suicide arent alive to take a psychological assessment, so it's difficult to nail the root cause as Lockdown. And I actually think suicide would be higher if they didnt introduce restrictions, and people knowing they were directly responsible for introducing covid and causing the deaths of their loved ones.
But do you actually think we are all in a general panic? I dont think I've seen a single person "panic", besides the one day when everyone bought loo roll. I think people are being cautious, but I dont think there is a single person panicking. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I respect your opinions, you really are right in saying that we could die of something else. statistically this is not a pandemic, the numbers speak for themselves. all they have done is limit our individual freedoms.
Why don't they publish the suicide rate because of the lockdown?
Why don't they evaluate depression in the population?
Why do they reject the advice of Psychologists and Psychiatrists to stop bombarding us 24/7 by the media, which has us all in a general panic?"
Can you explain to me how statistically this isn't a pandemic.
People who are truly so concerned about others mental health and suicide rates would be doing everything possible to get us put of this as soon as possible right? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just over 1 million people world wide. Which is feck all. It's making a mountain out of a mole hill. Get out and enjoy your life instead of listening to government propaganda. Your far more lightly to die from mosquitos."
Probably an anti vaccine flag bearer  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I respect your opinions, you really are right in saying that we could die of something else. statistically this is not a pandemic, the numbers speak for themselves. all they have done is limit our individual freedoms.
Why don't they publish the suicide rate because of the lockdown?
Why don't they evaluate depression in the population?
Why do they reject the advice of Psychologists and Psychiatrists to stop bombarding us 24/7 by the media, which has us all in a general panic?"
This. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just over 1 million people world wide. Which is feck all. It's making a mountain out of a mole hill. Get out and enjoy your life instead of listening to government propaganda. Your far more lightly to die from mosquitos."
Just over 1 million people died in Auschwitz, which is feck all. People should have just enjoyed their lives instead of listening to government propaganda. You're far more likely to die from mosquitos. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The death rate has flattened out across the globe for a long time. That's why it's not a pandemic. Even with the disastrous situation of many of our old and susceptible people dying in March/April (nursing homes etc), all cause excess deaths are close to normal for the time of year.
The virus isn't as lethal as feared - to many sections of society.
Many deaths have been above life- expectancy age too.
IMO, we don't need to be crass nor callous about this - but we do need to offer focussed protection to the elderly and susceptible whilst everyone else just gets on with life as (relatively) normal.
As far as meeting goes, it should be as ever, down to the parties involved and it should be their choice to take their own risks. Soon enough, we will have portable tests and it will make that decision a lot easier. I would hold off till then, personally - but it's very important that people retain the right to live freely and make their own choices. This is what we live for.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The death rate has flattened out across the globe for a long time. That's why it's not a pandemic."
A pandemic is defined as a "worldwide spread of a new disease"
Therefore, sadly, that is exactly what it is.
I don't wish for this to sound rude but anyone downplaying or even unaware of just the definition of what we're all experiencing doesn't suggest they've much, if any, knowledge to offer regarding it.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I was trying to reply to someone else above when I wrote that - it came out wrong. Of course it's a pandemic but it's thankfully, just not as deadly as we feared. The death rate is way down and even the majority of those who are hospitalized are elderly or have underlying health problems.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I was trying to reply to someone else above when I wrote that - it came out wrong. Of course it's a pandemic but it's thankfully, just not as deadly as we feared. The death rate is way down and even the majority of those who are hospitalized are elderly or have underlying health problems.
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I assume you were replying to me asking why one poster was claiming it wasn't a pandemic anymore.
You have said in one post "that's why it's not a pandemic" and in this one above "of course its a pandemic".
Is the death rate being way down anything to do with the measures that have been put in place do you think |
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Is the death rate being way down anything to do with the measures that have been put in place do you think"
It's tailed off since April/May - a lot of deaths were down to a lot of susceptible people (old/co-morbidities) but I've read that once it killed those poor people, the virus came up against a lot of immune people, even though it infected a lot of people.
Literally stopping people being around each other would obviously stop the spread of the virus. But the same death rate curve as ours happened in Sweden - and they had no lockdown at all - but they practice social distancing. So I am not sure. |
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By *oseredWoman
over a year ago
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"I respect your opinions, you really are right in saying that we could die of something else. statistically this is not a pandemic, the numbers speak for themselves. all they have done is limit our individual freedoms.
Why don't they publish the suicide rate because of the lockdown?
Why don't they evaluate depression in the population?
Why do they reject the advice of Psychologists and Psychiatrists to stop bombarding us 24/7 by the media, which has us all in a general panic?"
Unless you can ask the unfortunates that commit suiside it is impossible to quantify how many people did so because of lock down. And depression is evaluated by vertue of the fact it is diagnosed. Without doubt lockdown has impacted on the population as has the many deaths due to covid on thousands of others. There is no quick fix to this and not enough known about longterm effects on those that have survived. So is it not better that we all try to respect each others boundaries and limit our contacts for a period of time. Also psychiatrists generally advise that people limit their watching of covid news to official reporting and not social media. Regardless, personal responsibility needs to be adhered to. Peace out and play nice. |
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Is the death rate being way down anything to do with the measures that have been put in place do you think
It's tailed off since April/May - a lot of deaths were down to a lot of susceptible people (old/co-morbidities) but I've read that once it killed those poor people, the virus came up against a lot of immune people, even though it infected a lot of people.
Literally stopping people being around each other would obviously stop the spread of the virus. But the same death rate curve as ours happened in Sweden - and they had no lockdown at all - but they practice social distancing. So I am not sure."
I do agree that as the vulnerable people became more cautious the death rate obviously would have dropped naturally too.
I have to say though coming into a period where out health care system is usually maxed out anyway I am worried we as a people do not have enough collective cop on to do what is required to take the pressure off with out it being spelt out to us. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Is the death rate being way down anything to do with the measures that have been put in place do you think
It's tailed off since April/May - a lot of deaths were down to a lot of susceptible people (old/co-morbidities) but I've read that once it killed those poor people, the virus came up against a lot of immune people, even though it infected a lot of people.
Literally stopping people being around each other would obviously stop the spread of the virus. But the same death rate curve as ours happened in Sweden - and they had no lockdown at all - but they practice social distancing. So I am not sure.
I do agree that as the vulnerable people became more cautious the death rate obviously would have dropped naturally too.
I have to say though coming into a period where out health care system is usually maxed out anyway I am worried we as a people do not have enough collective cop on to do what is required to take the pressure off with out it being spelt out to us."
Years of health-care neglect now coming back to kill us. Not enough ICU upgrade even after March. Madness. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Not for me . I usually have a regular mate I'd meet, lived next door almost. But I wouldn't meet her now, she's been out to much. Even if she wants I probably wouldn't either.
You can hold off and have a wank till it blows over. Not that hard  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't think there's been drama or hysteria.
Don't take me wrong but u think wrong "
Don't me wrong, but your tolerance for healthy debate and perception of what is and isn't hysteria is wrong. |
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By *DGF20Man
over a year ago
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"I don't think there's been drama or hysteria.
Don't take me wrong but u think wrong
Don't me wrong, but your tolerance for healthy debate and perception of what is and isn't hysteria is wrong. "
Ok i am respecting your point of view but still standing in front of my words and i know i am right, have really close people in other countries in Europe, been travelling on few destinations in last few months and i seen how the things works |
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"I don't think there's been drama or hysteria.
Don't take me wrong but u think wrong
Don't me wrong, but your tolerance for healthy debate and perception of what is and isn't hysteria is wrong.
Ok i am respecting your point of view but still standing in front of my words and i know i am right, have really close people in other countries in Europe, been travelling on few destinations in last few months and i seen how the things works"
Ohhhhhhhh. My apologies. I didn't realise you had ever left Ireland or known people abroad. I, on the other hand, am a troglodyte with no frame of reference outside of my own. So, of course, you are right and I am wrong.  |
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"I don't think there's been drama or hysteria.
Don't take me wrong but u think wrong
Don't me wrong, but your tolerance for healthy debate and perception of what is and isn't hysteria is wrong.
Ok i am respecting your point of view but still standing in front of my words and i know i am right, have really close people in other countries in Europe, been travelling on few destinations in last few months and i seen how the things works
Ohhhhhhhh. My apologies. I didn't realise you had ever left Ireland or known people abroad. I, on the other hand, am a troglodyte with no frame of reference outside of my own. So, of course, you are right and I am wrong. "
and don't forget your a girl tut tut questioning a man back to the kitchen woman  |
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By *DGF20Man
over a year ago
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"I don't think there's been drama or hysteria.
Don't take me wrong but u think wrong
Don't me wrong, but your tolerance for healthy debate and perception of what is and isn't hysteria is wrong.
Ok i am respecting your point of view but still standing in front of my words and i know i am right, have really close people in other countries in Europe, been travelling on few destinations in last few months and i seen how the things works
Ohhhhhhhh. My apologies. I didn't realise you had ever left Ireland or known people abroad. I, on the other hand, am a troglodyte with no frame of reference outside of my own. So, of course, you are right and I am wrong. "
Nice, so if u know what's happening that's mean u agree with me? |
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By *uanpacMan
over a year ago
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"So who's in my area 
Are you in everywhere tonight?
The snowflakes won't appreciate my original answer to that..
You wish you were in everywhere Davey. (I mean newbie to forums) sorry. Lol "
Oh my.. who is this Davy you have me confused with.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't think there's been drama or hysteria.
Don't take me wrong but u think wrong
Don't me wrong, but your tolerance for healthy debate and perception of what is and isn't hysteria is wrong.
Ok i am respecting your point of view but still standing in front of my words and i know i am right, have really close people in other countries in Europe, been travelling on few destinations in last few months and i seen how the things works
Ohhhhhhhh. My apologies. I didn't realise you had ever left Ireland or known people abroad. I, on the other hand, am a troglodyte with no frame of reference outside of my own. So, of course, you are right and I am wrong. "
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over a year ago
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"There is a 0.27% chance of you dying from covid in Ireland. That's 1810 deaths with a population 5000000. Il take my chances. If you dont want to meet people it's your choice. "
It is actually less, even if we allow for 2000 deaths that is 0.04 or 4/hundredths of 1% which is an extremely low death percentage figure.
In comparison with Covid, 1.6 million died globally in 2017 from TB and there were no shutdowns, lockdowns or levels 3 etc.
I cannot find the TB figures for 18 and 19 but TB is on the rise.
We need to look at the real numbers, even NPHET have admitted that there numbers are not accurate. NPHET have steadfastly refused to appear before an Oireachtas Committee to explain their modelling, source of data and the international evidence it relies on. Imagine telling your boss you are not going to answer their queries about your work - it simply beggars belief.
It is a flu, granted a strong flu and every year many people, especially elderly and infirm die as a result of the common flue.
Has anybody seen a comparison of the numbers died last year from flu - which was a mild winter - with the numbers so far this year. I have searched - it seems to be conveniently unavailable. It would be the difference, if there is one, between the two that would give some degree of accuracy of the rise in flu deaths. But the rise is not 1800 plus. I estimate a few hundred and we have crippled the economy for that. |
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"There is a 0.27% chance of you dying from covid in Ireland. That's 1810 deaths with a population 5000000. Il take my chances. If you dont want to meet people it's your choice.
It is actually less, even if we allow for 2000 deaths that is 0.04 or 4/hundredths of 1% which is an extremely low death percentage figure.
In comparison with Covid, 1.6 million died globally in 2017 from TB and there were no shutdowns, lockdowns or levels 3 etc.
I cannot find the TB figures for 18 and 19 but TB is on the rise.
We need to look at the real numbers, even NPHET have admitted that there numbers are not accurate. NPHET have steadfastly refused to appear before an Oireachtas Committee to explain their modelling, source of data and the international evidence it relies on. Imagine telling your boss you are not going to answer their queries about your work - it simply beggars belief.
It is a flu, granted a strong flu and every year many people, especially elderly and infirm die as a result of the common flue.
Has anybody seen a comparison of the numbers died last year from flu - which was a mild winter - with the numbers so far this year. I have searched - it seems to be conveniently unavailable. It would be the difference, if there is one, between the two that would give some degree of accuracy of the rise in flu deaths. But the rise is not 1800 plus. I estimate a few hundred and we have crippled the economy for that."
You cant just make up statistics and flaunt them as fact. |
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"You cant just make up statistics and flaunt them as fact."
People can come up with statistics to prove anything sure. Forfty percent of all people know that! |
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"There is a 0.27% chance of you dying from covid in Ireland. That's 1810 deaths with a population 5000000. Il take my chances. If you dont want to meet people it's your choice.
It is actually less, even if we allow for 2000 deaths that is 0.04 or 4/hundredths of 1% which is an extremely low death percentage figure.
In comparison with Covid, 1.6 million died globally in 2017 from TB and there were no shutdowns, lockdowns or levels 3 etc.
I cannot find the TB figures for 18 and 19 but TB is on the rise.
We need to look at the real numbers, even NPHET have admitted that there numbers are not accurate. NPHET have steadfastly refused to appear before an Oireachtas Committee to explain their modelling, source of data and the international evidence it relies on. Imagine telling your boss you are not going to answer their queries about your work - it simply beggars belief.
It is a flu, granted a strong flu and every year many people, especially elderly and infirm die as a result of the common flue.
Has anybody seen a comparison of the numbers died last year from flu - which was a mild winter - with the numbers so far this year. I have searched - it seems to be conveniently unavailable. It would be the difference, if there is one, between the two that would give some degree of accuracy of the rise in flu deaths. But the rise is not 1800 plus. I estimate a few hundred and we have crippled the economy for that.
You cant just make up statistics and flaunt them as fact."
I'm 2829% sure I can. 12 omout of 10 one legged pigeons agree |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Statistically, wearing a mask increases your chance of getting cancer.
Now that's only because in increases your chances of surving the pandemic to get cancer in later life, but you cant argue with statistics. |
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"There is a 0.27% chance of you dying from covid in Ireland. That's 1810 deaths with a population 5000000. Il take my chances. If you dont want to meet people it's your choice.
It is actually less, even if we allow for 2000 deaths that is 0.04 or 4/hundredths of 1% which is an extremely low death percentage figure.
In comparison with Covid, 1.6 million died globally in 2017 from TB and there were no shutdowns, lockdowns or levels 3 etc.
I cannot find the TB figures for 18 and 19 but TB is on the rise.
We need to look at the real numbers, even NPHET have admitted that there numbers are not accurate. NPHET have steadfastly refused to appear before an Oireachtas Committee to explain their modelling, source of data and the international evidence it relies on. Imagine telling your boss you are not going to answer their queries about your work - it simply beggars belief.
It is a flu, granted a strong flu and every year many people, especially elderly and infirm die as a result of the common flue.
Has anybody seen a comparison of the numbers died last year from flu - which was a mild winter - with the numbers so far this year. I have searched - it seems to be conveniently unavailable. It would be the difference, if there is one, between the two that would give some degree of accuracy of the rise in flu deaths. But the rise is not 1800 plus. I estimate a few hundred and we have crippled the economy for that.
You cant just make up statistics and flaunt them as fact."
I dont make up any figures - I dont need to - do your own research. My purpose in contributing was to give some actual data to the conversation. |
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"There is a 0.27% chance of you dying from covid in Ireland. That's 1810 deaths with a population 5000000. Il take my chances. If you dont want to meet people it's your choice.
It is actually less, even if we allow for 2000 deaths that is 0.04 or 4/hundredths of 1% which is an extremely low death percentage figure.
In comparison with Covid, 1.6 million died globally in 2017 from TB and there were no shutdowns, lockdowns or levels 3 etc.
I cannot find the TB figures for 18 and 19 but TB is on the rise.
We need to look at the real numbers, even NPHET have admitted that there numbers are not accurate. NPHET have steadfastly refused to appear before an Oireachtas Committee to explain their modelling, source of data and the international evidence it relies on. Imagine telling your boss you are not going to answer their queries about your work - it simply beggars belief.
It is a flu, granted a strong flu and every year many people, especially elderly and infirm die as a result of the common flue.
Has anybody seen a comparison of the numbers died last year from flu - which was a mild winter - with the numbers so far this year. I have searched - it seems to be conveniently unavailable. It would be the difference, if there is one, between the two that would give some degree of accuracy of the rise in flu deaths. But the rise is not 1800 plus. I estimate a few hundred and we have crippled the economy for that.
You cant just make up statistics and flaunt them as fact.
I dont make up any figures - I dont need to - do your own research. My purpose in contributing was to give some actual data to the conversation. "
Ah, the "Do your own research" geniuses. I dont know you, and have no idea of your intelligence level, but your "research" of briefly looking online for figures that agree with your opinions, is horseshit compared to 10s of 1000s of peer reviewed scientists who have dedicated their life to understanding the field, with Billions of dollars worldwide spent advancin our collective knowledge, compounded with decades of advances in medical practices.
Just admit you are out of your depth here, and even if you did spent every minute of the last 6 months researching and writing your thesis on Covid, there is not a peer review academic board in the world that would award you a PhD on what measily research you could gather in that short space in time. |
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"There is a 0.27% chance of you dying from covid in Ireland. That's 1810 deaths with a population 5000000. Il take my chances. If you dont want to meet people it's your choice.
It is actually less, even if we allow for 2000 deaths that is 0.04 or 4/hundredths of 1% which is an extremely low death percentage figure.
In comparison with Covid, 1.6 million died globally in 2017 from TB and there were no shutdowns, lockdowns or levels 3 etc.
I cannot find the TB figures for 18 and 19 but TB is on the rise.
We need to look at the real numbers, even NPHET have admitted that there numbers are not accurate. NPHET have steadfastly refused to appear before an Oireachtas Committee to explain their modelling, source of data and the international evidence it relies on. Imagine telling your boss you are not going to answer their queries about your work - it simply beggars belief.
It is a flu, granted a strong flu and every year many people, especially elderly and infirm die as a result of the common flue.
Has anybody seen a comparison of the numbers died last year from flu - which was a mild winter - with the numbers so far this year. I have searched - it seems to be conveniently unavailable. It would be the difference, if there is one, between the two that would give some degree of accuracy of the rise in flu deaths. But the rise is not 1800 plus. I estimate a few hundred and we have crippled the economy for that.
You cant just make up statistics and flaunt them as fact.
I dont make up any figures - I dont need to - do your own research. My purpose in contributing was to give some actual data to the conversation. "
I agree with...it's good to contribute, but check out your data first and one should always cross-reference them too.
One thing about data is it's just that...data... It's how one uses it to get to the truth of what the data is saying that's the skill, not manipulating it to support your theory. It's a simple mistake.
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"There is a 0.27% chance of you dying from covid in Ireland. That's 1810 deaths with a population 5000000. Il take my chances. If you dont want to meet people it's your choice.
It is actually less, even if we allow for 2000 deaths that is 0.04 or 4/hundredths of 1% which is an extremely low death percentage figure.
In comparison with Covid, 1.6 million died globally in 2017 from TB and there were no shutdowns, lockdowns or levels 3 etc.
I cannot find the TB figures for 18 and 19 but TB is on the rise.
We need to look at the real numbers, even NPHET have admitted that there numbers are not accurate. NPHET have steadfastly refused to appear before an Oireachtas Committee to explain their modelling, source of data and the international evidence it relies on. Imagine telling your boss you are not going to answer their queries about your work - it simply beggars belief.
It is a flu, granted a strong flu and every year many people, especially elderly and infirm die as a result of the common flue.
Has anybody seen a comparison of the numbers died last year from flu - which was a mild winter - with the numbers so far this year. I have searched - it seems to be conveniently unavailable. It would be the difference, if there is one, between the two that would give some degree of accuracy of the rise in flu deaths. But the rise is not 1800 plus. I estimate a few hundred and we have crippled the economy for that.
You cant just make up statistics and flaunt them as fact.
I dont make up any figures - I dont need to - do your own research. My purpose in contributing was to give some actual data to the conversation.
I agree with...it's good to contribute, but check out your data first and one should always cross-reference them too.
One thing about data is it's just that...data... It's how one uses it to get to the truth of what the data is saying that's the skill, not manipulating it to support your theory. It's a simple mistake.
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I quoted one figure. The information is all on the World Health Organisation (WHO) for everybody to read. Glad to see that 2018 figures are now published and annual death rate is down to 1.5 million from TB.
The other figures are simply basic maths used on our Governments data, which is widely available daily.
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"There is a 0.27% chance of you dying from covid in Ireland. That's 1810 deaths with a population 5000000. Il take my chances. If you dont want to meet people it's your choice.
It is actually less, even if we allow for 2000 deaths that is 0.04 or 4/hundredths of 1% which is an extremely low death percentage figure.
In comparison with Covid, 1.6 million died globally in 2017 from TB and there were no shutdowns, lockdowns or levels 3 etc.
I cannot find the TB figures for 18 and 19 but TB is on the rise.
We need to look at the real numbers, even NPHET have admitted that there numbers are not accurate. NPHET have steadfastly refused to appear before an Oireachtas Committee to explain their modelling, source of data and the international evidence it relies on. Imagine telling your boss you are not going to answer their queries about your work - it simply beggars belief.
It is a flu, granted a strong flu and every year many people, especially elderly and infirm die as a result of the common flue.
Has anybody seen a comparison of the numbers died last year from flu - which was a mild winter - with the numbers so far this year. I have searched - it seems to be conveniently unavailable. It would be the difference, if there is one, between the two that would give some degree of accuracy of the rise in flu deaths. But the rise is not 1800 plus. I estimate a few hundred and we have crippled the economy for that.
You cant just make up statistics and flaunt them as fact.
I dont make up any figures - I dont need to - do your own research. My purpose in contributing was to give some actual data to the conversation.
I agree with...it's good to contribute, but check out your data first and one should always cross-reference them too.
One thing about data is it's just that...data... It's how one uses it to get to the truth of what the data is saying that's the skill, not manipulating it to support your theory. It's a simple mistake.
I quoted one figure. The information is all on the World Health Organisation (WHO) for everybody to read. Glad to see that 2018 figures are now published and annual death rate is down to 1.5 million from TB.
The other figures are simply basic maths used on our Governments data, which is widely available daily.
QED"
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"There is a 0.27% chance of you dying from covid in Ireland. That's 1810 deaths with a population 5000000. Il take my chances. If you dont want to meet people it's your choice. "
I was responding to this. I then added the data from the WHO as a comparison of deaths from TB, versus Covid. TB gets very little attention and kills more globally than Covid. Which mystifies me as to why we have so much devastation to our lives and economies from the Covid regulations. Interestingly, Wuhan, is back to normal, all open for business etc. Only stipulation is a mask on public transport. So hopefully it is a positive sign that Covid runs its course after a few months and we can all get back to some form of normality. We all need to look after our own health more and change our lifestyles where possible. It is an old adage, but very true. "Only the strong survive"
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"There is a 0.27% chance of you dying from covid in Ireland. That's 1810 deaths with a population 5000000. Il take my chances. If you dont want to meet people it's your choice.
It is actually less, even if we allow for 2000 deaths that is 0.04 or 4/hundredths of 1% which is an extremely low death percentage figure.
In comparison with Covid, 1.6 million died globally in 2017 from TB and there were no shutdowns, lockdowns or levels 3 etc.
I cannot find the TB figures for 18 and 19 but TB is on the rise.
We need to look at the real numbers, even NPHET have admitted that there numbers are not accurate. NPHET have steadfastly refused to appear before an Oireachtas Committee to explain their modelling, source of data and the international evidence it relies on. Imagine telling your boss you are not going to answer their queries about your work - it simply beggars belief.
It is a flu, granted a strong flu and every year many people, especially elderly and infirm die as a result of the common flue.
Has anybody seen a comparison of the numbers died last year from flu - which was a mild winter - with the numbers so far this year. I have searched - it seems to be conveniently unavailable. It would be the difference, if there is one, between the two that would give some degree of accuracy of the rise in flu deaths. But the rise is not 1800 plus. I estimate a few hundred and we have crippled the economy for that.
You cant just make up statistics and flaunt them as fact.
I dont make up any figures - I dont need to - do your own research. My purpose in contributing was to give some actual data to the conversation.
I agree with...it's good to contribute, but check out your data first and one should always cross-reference them too.
One thing about data is it's just that...data... It's how one uses it to get to the truth of what the data is saying that's the skill, not manipulating it to support your theory. It's a simple mistake.
I quoted one figure. The information is all on the World Health Organisation (WHO) for everybody to read. Glad to see that 2018 figures are now published and annual death rate is down to 1.5 million from TB.
The other figures are simply basic maths used on our Governments data, which is widely available daily.
QED
What was it you set out to do exactly?
I see data and it's all about how and what it's applied too."
That is a great point.. the skill is understanding the data and how it applies and what it mean, not simple doing some quick maths. For example, all this dude did was divide 1810 by 5 million.. and he even got that wrong (its 0.037%, not 0.27%)
But even those figures are pointless. You could say 148 road deaths in ireland in 2019, so I've a 0.003% chance of dying. I'll take my chances drink driving above the speed limit with no seat belt.
This dude has no clue of how statistics or data analysis works. I'm guessing a massive case of the Dunning-Kruger effect, where he knows so little about statistics, that he actually thinks he knows everything. |
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"There is a 0.27% chance of you dying from covid in Ireland. That's 1810 deaths with a population 5000000. Il take my chances. If you dont want to meet people it's your choice.
It is actually less, even if we allow for 2000 deaths that is 0.04 or 4/hundredths of 1% which is an extremely low death percentage figure.
In comparison with Covid, 1.6 million died globally in 2017 from TB and there were no shutdowns, lockdowns or levels 3 etc.
I cannot find the TB figures for 18 and 19 but TB is on the rise.
We need to look at the real numbers, even NPHET have admitted that there numbers are not accurate. NPHET have steadfastly refused to appear before an Oireachtas Committee to explain their modelling, source of data and the international evidence it relies on. Imagine telling your boss you are not going to answer their queries about your work - it simply beggars belief.
It is a flu, granted a strong flu and every year many people, especially elderly and infirm die as a result of the common flue.
Has anybody seen a comparison of the numbers died last year from flu - which was a mild winter - with the numbers so far this year. I have searched - it seems to be conveniently unavailable. It would be the difference, if there is one, between the two that would give some degree of accuracy of the rise in flu deaths. But the rise is not 1800 plus. I estimate a few hundred and we have crippled the economy for that."
It’s not even in the same family of viruses as a flu you idiot. And you certainly are one. I expect I’ll get a 48 forum break for this but well worth it |
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"There is a 0.27% chance of you dying from covid in Ireland. That's 1810 deaths with a population 5000000. Il take my chances. If you dont want to meet people it's your choice.
I was responding to this. I then added the data from the WHO as a comparison of deaths from TB, versus Covid. TB gets very little attention and kills more globally than Covid. Which mystifies me as to why we have so much devastation to our lives and economies from the Covid regulations. Interestingly, Wuhan, is back to normal, all open for business etc. Only stipulation is a mask on public transport. So hopefully it is a positive sign that Covid runs its course after a few months and we can all get back to some form of normality. We all need to look after our own health more and change our lifestyles where possible. It is an old adage, but very true. "Only the strong survive"
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To compare TB and Covid like you're trying to do seems to make some sense. Both airborne. Without much knowledge on them I'd say that's as far as it could go. TB is being managed with various different medications and health programmes. There's is a great knowledge and awareness surrounding TB.
Covid is new, even the medical experts admit to not knowing a lot about it even after all this time. Lack of information and knowledge creates a fear and concern, the unknown always creates uncertainty, not knowing how to react or respond correctly.
TB is still across the world, but it's predominantly in Asiatic and African countries and countries/areas with high Asian/African communities.
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"There is a 0.27% chance of you dying from covid in Ireland. That's 1810 deaths with a population 5000000. Il take my chances. If you dont want to meet people it's your choice.
I was responding to this. I then added the data from the WHO as a comparison of deaths from TB, versus Covid. TB gets very little attention and kills more globally than Covid. Which mystifies me as to why we have so much devastation to our lives and economies from the Covid regulations. Interestingly, Wuhan, is back to normal, all open for business etc. Only stipulation is a mask on public transport. So hopefully it is a positive sign that Covid runs its course after a few months and we can all get back to some form of normality. We all need to look after our own health more and change our lifestyles where possible. It is an old adage, but very true. "Only the strong survive"
To compare TB and Covid like you're trying to do seems to make some sense. Both airborne. Without much knowledge on them I'd say that's as far as it could go. TB is being managed with various different medications and health programmes. There's is a great knowledge and awareness surrounding TB.
Covid is new, even the medical experts admit to not knowing a lot about it even after all this time. Lack of information and knowledge creates a fear and concern, the unknown always creates uncertainty, not knowing how to react or respond correctly.
TB is still across the world, but it's predominantly in Asiatic and African countries and countries/areas with high Asian/African communities.
So to compare them as if their no. of deaths should be compared doesn't make sense."
I will end on this as we have strayed away from the OP's original question.
Valid points.
I wasn't comparing from a medical point of view as I have zero medical background.
What does catch my eye is the figures and the response to the figures.
In 2017, 10 million were diagnosed with TB, 1.6 million died. WHO report. That is a very scary survival figure.
Yes a lot of work is being done to combat TB and has been ongoing for many years, but no drastic actions, like those that swung into place for Covid have ever been implemented for TB as far as I am aware.
It is the difference in preventative measures being used with both Covid and TB that I find interesting but hard to fathom. Globally we have certainly got up off our butts and made decisions but unfortunately there seems to be no unified plan of action. Every country has its own Covid policy and some are much more draconian than others. We need to keep in mind that there are many other bigger killers out there,along with TB, that desperately need more funding and research. I just hope that our Covid costs, particularly in Ireland, do not mean that the others will suffer as a result down the road.
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"There is a 0.27% chance of you dying from covid in Ireland. That's 1810 deaths with a population 5000000. Il take my chances. If you dont want to meet people it's your choice.
It is actually less, even if we allow for 2000 deaths that is 0.04 or 4/hundredths of 1% which is an extremely low death percentage figure.
In comparison with Covid, 1.6 million died globally in 2017 from TB and there were no shutdowns, lockdowns or levels 3 etc.
I cannot find the TB figures for 18 and 19 but TB is on the rise.
We need to look at the real numbers, even NPHET have admitted that there numbers are not accurate. NPHET have steadfastly refused to appear before an Oireachtas Committee to explain their modelling, source of data and the international evidence it relies on. Imagine telling your boss you are not going to answer their queries about your work - it simply beggars belief.
It is a flu, granted a strong flu and every year many people, especially elderly and infirm die as a result of the common flue.
Has anybody seen a comparison of the numbers died last year from flu - which was a mild winter - with the numbers so far this year. I have searched - it seems to be conveniently unavailable. It would be the difference, if there is one, between the two that would give some degree of accuracy of the rise in flu deaths. But the rise is not 1800 plus. I estimate a few hundred and we have crippled the economy for that."
Lockdown was imposed to halt the spread of the virus,it worked
Then the lockdown was lifted and as every section of life was opened the virus lifted its head and marched into our society again. If restrictions are not imposed again in some form or another we will end up with scene’s in Ireland like Italy, Spain, Brazil and New York on the news
Hospitals will be overcome, the Health workers will suffer
We actually don’t know how bad this will get because we’ve never faced anything like it before.
So saying that Flu is worse or TB kills more is total nonsense
We have learned to control TB ( in the 1st world) and to some extent we can control the flu but at the moment this bastard is only controlled by lockdown |
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I had nearly a two page reply to comparing TB to covid as complete nonsense but deleted it because its not worth getting into it.
Just know TB is a killer yes in some cases but not all,it is better known and controlled.
Covid is still very much unknown and everyday they see new symptoms appearing and they have not figured out a way to control it going into lockdown seems to be hindering the spread of it so thats what they will do to try slow it down. |
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"I had nearly a two page reply to comparing TB to covid as complete nonsense but deleted it because its not worth getting into it.
Just know TB is a killer yes in some cases but not all,it is better known and controlled.
Covid is still very much unknown and everyday they see new symptoms appearing and they have not figured out a way to control it going into lockdown seems to be hindering the spread of it so thats what they will do to try slow it down."
That's what I was saying.
Can't compare.
As you rightly say the lockdown is the only means if control arm as people won't behave responsibly.
The numbers who know they have it but don't self isolate reflects how widespread the idea that it doesn't really matter about anyone else. |
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"I had nearly a two page reply to comparing TB to covid as complete nonsense but deleted it because its not worth getting into it.
Just know TB is a killer yes in some cases but not all,it is better known and controlled.
Covid is still very much unknown and everyday they see new symptoms appearing and they have not figured out a way to control it going into lockdown seems to be hindering the spread of it so thats what they will do to try slow it down.
That's what I was saying.
Can't compare.
As you rightly say the lockdown is the only means if control arm as people won't behave responsibly.
The numbers who know they have it but don't self isolate reflects how widespread the idea that it doesn't really matter about anyone else."
Yes you quiet rightly said no comparison whatsoever and yes people will ignore advice given by specialists so what other way can we protect the weak and vunerable only by going into lockdown.
People ignoring advice and carrying on as nothing is wrong will be the reason a full lockdown will happen again.
It was hard the first time and certainly will be harder the second time but what choice do we have we have to be accountable for our actions |
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"I had nearly a two page reply to comparing TB to covid as complete nonsense but deleted it because its not worth getting into it.
Just know TB is a killer yes in some cases but not all,it is better known and controlled.
Covid is still very much unknown and everyday they see new symptoms appearing and they have not figured out a way to control it going into lockdown seems to be hindering the spread of it so thats what they will do to try slow it down.
That's what I was saying.
Can't compare.
As you rightly say the lockdown is the only means if control arm as people won't behave responsibly.
The numbers who know they have it but don't self isolate reflects how widespread the idea that it doesn't really matter about anyone else.
Yes you quiet rightly said no comparison whatsoever and yes people will ignore advice given by specialists so what other way can we protect the weak and vunerable only by going into lockdown.
People ignoring advice and carrying on as nothing is wrong will be the reason a full lockdown will happen again.
It was hard the first time and certainly will be harder the second time but what choice do we have we have to be accountable for our actions "
May not be harder though as most know what to expect as it's not new to us.
They don't need to buy any toilet paper this time, they probably still have it stored in preparation. |
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