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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Why r so many men no shows!
We have gotten a lot of flack in the past for charging men a higher price to attend parties. We do this as we hope that the higher cost will add value for them and they r more likely to attend. We also like to balance numbers so we have an even ratio on men to women. For Last nights event We purposely over subscribed gents tickets to allow for he no shows. Gents tickets went in a day and still 80% didn’t show. Why!?
We did a near me now break down and 80% r men 16% couples and 4% women. (80% of the couples and ladies were at r event so not sure how accurate that is on a normal day)
But with such high demand why r men all talk! Answers and reasoning from men ladies and couples all welcome.
Sorry for the rant but without genuine guys r events aren’t as fab as we and other attendees would like them to be!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Dissapointing had been looking at getting a ticket but all sd out for single men
I know as a guy going to meets or anything else solo it's a pretty nerve wrecking experience but it's the thought that's more nerve wrecking than the actual event/meet, still though people have plenty of time to prepare for these events |
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You might need to bring in a reference system like apply for invite, send 2 references from previous attendees then get a link to pay. More labour intensive but might be the only option. Also id be wary of charging men more, under the equal status act 2000, the practice is discriminatory and prohibited. All youd need is some f*cker on his high horse to take issue and you could be in deep do do.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There is probably more male fantasists on here.
If you join as a couple you really need to be committed to the idea of swinging to a degree for both people to come on start the journey.
There are also just more men period so your going to have a higher amount who will not show. |
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"Dissapointing had been looking at getting a ticket but all sd out for single men
I know as a guy going to meets or anything else solo it's a pretty nerve wrecking experience but it's the thought that's more nerve wrecking than the actual event/meet, still though people have plenty of time to prepare for these events "
It's nerve wrecking for single girls too though..
I never understand why men just dont cancel whatever the excuse at least your letting the organisers know and they can contact the long waiting list to give others a chance.
Alot and I mean alot goes into planning these events. |
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We found the same. Keep track of the noshows and use it as the start of a ban-list for your events. No exceptions. It wouldn't hurt to share the ban-list between organisers either. Don't turn up for one.. banned from all. |
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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"We found the same. Keep track of the noshows and use it as the start of a ban-list for your events. No exceptions. It wouldn't hurt to share the ban-list between organisers either. Don't turn up for one.. banned from all. "
That's a good idea but would the dreaded GDPR come into play |
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A lot use it for wank fuel, then shit the bed when a real offer comes along (because they are secretly attached or not the sex machine that they claimed).
Years ago, and on another site, we had four lads lined up for a Saturday stag themed event Scarlett, (then Bonnie) was going to be the stripper and I the lucky stag, but all of us would have had fun.
3 lads from Dublin.
1 lad from Galway.
2 lads cancelled in the week leading up the Saturday night.
One didn’t respond to the planning text on the Friday (don’t think we ever got an excuse).
That left us with the lad driving over from Galway who had been nagging us for months to meet (in a playful way)
Saturday morning, heard nothing. Saturday afternoon, we text to confirm as we are loading the car to discover he can’t make it due to car trouble. Waster.
Sites like this, nothing is a done deal until everyone is nude and hungry in the same room, and a large population of single males so just stick to cam girls.
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By (user no longer on site)
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I always wonder of how many man are here behind their partners back or just fantasising about it while not in a happy marriage. So they are just using Fab as an escape but generally cancel at short notice as it is just a fantasy, or would chicken out at the last minute...?
But then they tend to be the same people complaining it is soo hard to get verifications...  
This counts for everyone, couples, single females and especially for single males; if you get an invite, you turn up instead of taking a place for someone else that does want to have fun...
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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We will b putting together a no show list ... and yes, we understand nerves, but it’s simply a social and we try to b as open and forthcoming when we announce events ie what to expect. Finally, we don’t wanna do references, we wanna give everyone the chance to cum, including g newbies, but then again we’re now going to enforce a single strike no excuses rule. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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From personal experience and the way me and Dirk do our vetting of single men:
We prioritize men, who have been recommended by attending ladies and couples.
Then fill in the spots with well verified, active, social users.
I can usually tell from a profile and chat who is most likely to be a no show.
Overbooking men may be easier and more profitable.
Putting in effort into getting to know attending guys (not by endless chats but ways I listed above) may be more time consuming, but the end result is worth it as it has a better turn out of nicer, more sociable guys.
To be honest it's a hard balance.
And while most people do show up to our meet and greets - I've a different story to tell about men meeting us for a drink (literally only one guy ever showed up  ) |
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"We found the same. Keep track of the noshows and use it as the start of a ban-list for your events. No exceptions. It wouldn't hurt to share the ban-list between organisers either. Don't turn up for one.. banned from all.
That's a good idea but would the dreaded GDPR come into play "
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Don’t think so, I think GDPR only applies to professional companies and registered bodies.
Unless a limited company is running events, then I imagine that it is just like working girls sharing details about dangerous punters. |
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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not sure if you can give the actual number of men that were no shows rather than percentages
Do they even give excuses or just pay and not turn up ( not sure if you have to pay for a ticket in advance )
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We found the same. Keep track of the noshows and use it as the start of a ban-list for your events. No exceptions. It wouldn't hurt to share the ban-list between organisers either. Don't turn up for one.. banned from all. "
Fantastic idea about sharing.
Only problem is that they can create a new profile and chicken out and just go on and on... |
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"Why r so many men no shows!
We have gotten a lot of flack in the past for charging men a higher price to attend parties. We do this as we hope that the higher cost will add value for them and they r more likely to attend. We also like to balance numbers so we have an even ratio on men to women. For Last nights event We purposely over subscribed gents tickets to allow for he no shows. Gents tickets went in a day and still 80% didn’t show. Why!?
We did a near me now break down and 80% r men 16% couples and 4% women. (80% of the couples and ladies were at r event so not sure how accurate that is on a normal day)
But with such high demand why r men all talk! Answers and reasoning from men ladies and couples all welcome.
Sorry for the rant but without genuine guys r events aren’t as fab as we and other attendees would like them to be!!"
Were the no shows well verified? |
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By *oxminxCouple
over a year ago
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Maybe increase the booking value of every ticket to €100 or more (depending on the ticket cost).
Those who attend are refunded the difference over the ticket cost.
Any surplus could be used to lower the cost of the next gathering.
Fair play to anyone organising any event, we can only imagine it's a lot of hardship |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A lot use it for wank fuel, then shit the bed when a real offer comes along (because they are secretly attached or not the sex machine that they claimed).
Years ago, and on another site, we had four lads lined up for a Saturday stag themed event Scarlett, (then Bonnie) was going to be the stripper and I the lucky stag, but all of us would have had fun.
3 lads from Dublin.
1 lad from Galway.
2 lads cancelled in the week leading up the Saturday night.
One didn’t respond to the planning text on the Friday (don’t think we ever got an excuse).
That left us with the lad driving over from Galway who had been nagging us for months to meet (in a playful way)
Saturday morning, heard nothing. Saturday afternoon, we text to confirm as we are loading the car to discover he can’t make it due to car trouble. Waster.
Sites like this, nothing is a done deal until everyone is nude and hungry in the same room, and a large population of single males so just stick to cam girls.
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And that is the reality of it .. nothing is guaranteed or known for certain what's gonna really happen until the hour itself arrives .till then it's all pie in the sky .. |
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"We found the same. Keep track of the noshows and use it as the start of a ban-list for your events. No exceptions. It wouldn't hurt to share the ban-list between organisers either. Don't turn up for one.. banned from all.
Fantastic idea about sharing.
Only problem is that they can create a new profile and chicken out and just go on and on... "
We suggested a group for this kind of thing ages ago and got vilified for it |
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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"We found the same. Keep track of the noshows and use it as the start of a ban-list for your events. No exceptions. It wouldn't hurt to share the ban-list between organisers either. Don't turn up for one.. banned from all.
Fantastic idea about sharing.
Only problem is that they can create a new profile and chicken out and just go on and on...
We suggested a group for this kind of thing ages ago and got vilified for it"
Probably best to just do it between the profiles that out in the hard work in organising these events
You all know who you are I presume and just block wasters from attending
Feck it |
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"We found the same. Keep track of the noshows and use it as the start of a ban-list for your events. No exceptions. It wouldn't hurt to share the ban-list between organisers either. Don't turn up for one.. banned from all.
Fantastic idea about sharing.
Only problem is that they can create a new profile and chicken out and just go on and on...
We suggested a group for this kind of thing ages ago and got vilified for it
Probably best to just do it between the profiles that out in the hard work in organising these events
You all know who you are I presume and just block wasters from attending
Feck it "
I'd say it was worse for individuals rather than event organisers, people put a lot of effort into organising meets and if the only guy you've arranged does a Keyser Soze then your meet is a complete bust. At least with a larger even SOMEBODY is going to turn up |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Maybe increase the booking value of every ticket to €100 or more (depending on the ticket cost).
Those who attend are refunded the difference over the ticket cost.
Any surplus could be used to lower the cost of the next gathering.
Fair play to anyone organising any event, we can only imagine it's a lot of hardship "
i like this idea ALOT!! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"We found the same. Keep track of the noshows and use it as the start of a ban-list for your events. No exceptions. It wouldn't hurt to share the ban-list between organisers either. Don't turn up for one.. banned from all.
Fantastic idea about sharing.
Only problem is that they can create a new profile and chicken out and just go on and on...
We suggested a group for this kind of thing ages ago and got vilified for it"
we got a lot of abuse for arranging this small, socially distanced, masked party, in the current climate ... but then again, everyone has an opinion |
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And then I wonder how it's so hard for single males on this site!
I'd have traveled from southern Ireland up to the north for this, but there's no point in applying for anything like this until I get meet verification and that's hard enough to get! But all one can do is keep trying, hopefully I'll make it to a little gathering of this sort sometime  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And then I wonder how it's so hard for single males on this site!
I'd have traveled from southern Ireland up to the north for this, but there's no point in applying for anything like this until I get meet verification and that's hard enough to get! But all one can do is keep trying, hopefully I'll make it to a little gathering of this sort sometime "
Pretty much this. Finding it impossible to get an email reply let alone a verification. But not all guys would be no shows so it's a tough one not to paint everone with the same stick.
I think the idea above with charging more upfront and getting a refund it you turn up would be a great detergent for no-shows.
Now where to get a ticket ?? |
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When we had our club in Dublin we didn't invite single males, even though we had lots of requests. So, when couples came to the club it was gender balanced, with perhaps a few extra single women occasionally. It saved us lots of hassle, as couples are usually reliable and turn up on the night.As well, we weren't offering a social night out for single men, our primary purpose was to run a successful business, with as little hassle and as much fun as possible. Maybe the swinging scene in the NW is different to Dublin. Best of luck for the future events. |
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"And then I wonder how it's so hard for single males on this site!
I'd have traveled from southern Ireland up to the north for this, but there's no point in applying for anything like this until I get meet verification and that's hard enough to get! But all one can do is keep trying, hopefully I'll make it to a little gathering of this sort sometime "
It's no shows that have a lot to do with guys having trouble getting verified. We don't meet unverified as its an absolute unknown quantity, the chances of s verified guy showing up are probably even money, unverified probably 10/1.. |
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"Pity the no shows can't be reported through fab as not showing up.
Don't know what difference it makes but sooner or later you'd like to hope it would"
They can. There is a "didn't turn up" in the reasons for reporting a profile. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Pity the no shows can't be reported through fab as not showing up.
Don't know what difference it makes but sooner or later you'd like to hope it would
They can. There is a "didn't turn up" in the reasons for reporting a profile. "
Does it still work during covid though? |
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I've ran non swinger events in the past, trying days etc, I found the same, a lot dont turn up after securing a limited place.
I charged a large deposit that was refundable on turning up, if you dodnt turn up your money was gone.
It worked a treat. |
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I've only been to one MnG so I can't speak about what's involved in organising one but I have organised events in the past.
I know I wouldn't be handing over £100 to sit in a strangers account accumulating interest for a couple of months so they could give me £80 back on the night.
Not everyone has that sort of money especially now with so much uncertainty.
Many single ladies are able to attend events with fab friends but very few if any single men are in contact with other guys to arrange to turn up together.
And sharing details with others is no better than those groups we all know exist who share pics and details of those they meet.
Communicate better with all the attendees and pay particular attention to single guys if they are deemed to be possible no shows.
Send an encouraging message to reassure them in the build up to the event. Communication should work both ways and while you can never guarantee a full turnout they may find it easier to withdraw if they feel the hosts are more approachable.
Some might argue that they shouldn't have to give single guys special treatment but like any proper risk assessment you take measures to avoid or reduce risk. |
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"Lol @ passing on usernames for time wasters being the same as posting personal pics and videos or revenge porn on WhatsApp groups. "
You need to read that again.
It said passing on pics and details of those they meet. No mention of revenge porn.
We all know recommendations are made on fab but when it's done without that persons knowledge it's a bit shitty. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And then I wonder how it's so hard for single males on this site!
I'd have traveled from southern Ireland up to the north for this, but there's no point in applying for anything like this until I get meet verification and that's hard enough to get! But all one can do is keep trying, hopefully I'll make it to a little gathering of this sort sometime
Pretty much this. Finding it impossible to get an email reply let alone a verification. But not all guys would be no shows so it's a tough one not to paint everone with the same stick.
I think the idea above with charging more upfront and getting a refund it you turn up would be a great detergent for no-shows.
Now where to get a ticket ??"
I would largely agree to that. I have been on here for about a year and it is sometimes so difficult to get a response, let alone a verification. I would love to be part of an event and I will drive all the way if need be to attend one. But where is the event and the invite? |
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By *oxminxCouple
over a year ago
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"I've only been to one MnG so I can't speak about what's involved in organising one but I have organised events in the past.
I know I wouldn't be handing over £100 to sit in a strangers account accumulating interest for a couple of months so they could give me £80 back on the night.
Not everyone has that sort of money especially now with so much uncertainty.
Many single ladies are able to attend events with fab friends but very few if any single men are in contact with other guys to arrange to turn up together.
And sharing details with others is no better than those groups we all know exist who share pics and details of those they meet.
Communicate better with all the attendees and pay particular attention to single guys if they are deemed to be possible no shows.
Send an encouraging message to reassure them in the build up to the event. Communication should work both ways and while you can never guarantee a full turnout they may find it easier to withdraw if they feel the hosts are more approachable.
Some might argue that they shouldn't have to give single guys special treatment but like any proper risk assessment you take measures to avoid or reduce risk. "
Any chance you could let us know of any financial institution that would could gain interest on deposits?
A charge can be made on a card without it leaving your account similar to booking a hotel
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"We will b putting together a no show list ... and yes, we understand nerves, but it’s simply a social and we try to b as open and forthcoming when we announce events ie what to expect. Finally, we don’t wanna do references, we wanna give everyone the chance to cum, including g newbies, but then again we’re now going to enforce a single strike no excuses rule. "
Put a note on each profile that is what we do saves blocking as they can get around that, so even if they change their name the note remains |
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"We will b putting together a no show list ... and yes, we understand nerves, but it’s simply a social and we try to b as open and forthcoming when we announce events ie what to expect. Finally, we don’t wanna do references, we wanna give everyone the chance to cum, including g newbies, but then again we’re now going to enforce a single strike no excuses rule.
Put a note on each profile that is what we do saves blocking as they can get around that, so even if they change their name the note remains "
Blocks remain after username changes also, plus there is nothing to stop them from starting a new profile which would bypass notes/blocks. Nothing is foolproof unfortunately. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I have never been to an adult party. Whilst I am confident meeting one on one I would be nervous about meeting a group. I am somewhat introverted on some levels. Perhaps its just nerves at the end. Fantasy drives em to book but then overthinking things makes em shy about turning up-possibly to be viewed as somewhat odd because they are solo. If I were to attend a party I'd much prefer to be brought to one with someone who knows how it works as a means to introduce me. Watching the TV prog on E4 last week was interesting to see the single guy showing up on his own-full of confidence despite the set back of a cheating partner. I suspect its nerves/lack of confidence is is the issue!
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Its not just men, in the last week a verified couple cancelled at very short notice, a very well verified women didn't show and no apology either.
On the subject of men, we had two this week. Again one didn't show, no apology, even messaged us later as if nothing happened. Another guy wouldn't meet in public, suggested a busy carpark, he wouldn't come out of his car because it was raining, I had to find him in his red Masda [I left at that stage, not arsed to play games]. I think many are in relationships and are scared sh**less about being caught or are just playing games. |
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"And then I wonder how it's so hard for single males on this site!
I'd have traveled from southern Ireland up to the north for this, but there's no point in applying for anything like this until I get meet verification and that's hard enough to get! But all one can do is keep trying, hopefully I'll make it to a little gathering of this sort sometime
It's no shows that have a lot to do with guys having trouble getting verified. We don't meet unverified as its an absolute unknown quantity, the chances of s verified guy showing up are probably even money, unverified probably 10/1.."
I'll have a hundred with ya's at that price for me to show  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why r so many men no shows!
We have gotten a lot of flack in the past for charging men a higher price to attend parties. We do this as we hope that the higher cost will add value for them and they r more likely to attend. We also like to balance numbers so we have an even ratio on men to women. For Last nights event We purposely over subscribed gents tickets to allow for he no shows. Gents tickets went in a day and still 80% didn’t show. Why!?
We did a near me now break down and 80% r men 16% couples and 4% women. (80% of the couples and ladies were at r event so not sure how accurate that is on a normal day)
But with such high demand why r men all talk! Answers and reasoning from men ladies and couples all welcome.
Sorry for the rant but without genuine guys r events aren’t as fab as we and other attendees would like them to be!!"
the only thing I can advise is set a strict criteria. I.e 3 plus face to face meets and one in a group setting. Sorry to hear you’re having trouble with this |
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"Its not just men, in the last week a verified couple cancelled at very short notice, a very well verified women didn't show and no apology either.
On the subject of men, we had two this week. Again one didn't show, no apology, even messaged us later as if nothing happened. Another guy wouldn't meet in public, suggested a busy carpark, he wouldn't come out of his car because it was raining, I had to find him in his red Masda [I left at that stage, not arsed to play games]. I think many are in relationships and are scared sh**less about being caught or are just playing games."
that’s mad carry on! Sorry to hear you’re having a crap time |
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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At the moment in Ireland and The UK the biggest problem Restaurants have in no shows
In the good old days (2019) it wouldn't be unheard of for someone to book 10 people into a few different restaurants for the same time and the same night and then decide on the night which one to go to.
The one's that weren't picked had 10 no-shows on a busy night with a list of people turned away
Now that they are reopened guess what....the exact same thing is happening except it could close down a restaurant that was already trying to operate at 50 % normal capacity.
They are now bringing in charges that are non refundable but discounted off the bill if you show up.
Any club running meet and greets should be doing the exact same thing at a minimum.
Maybe a £/€ 50 hold charge on your credit card thats only changed on the day of the meet and not held in an account just like when you check into a hotel.
Whats wrong with the few clubs on here sharing names of people that dont show on kik ....its not like the kik groups where men and women critique their pass meets or people on fab.
Its a business trying to protect itself from closing down
I've only ever seen one person get called out in a thread when he looked for an invite to a party
( pre covid ) and was told straight out he was a no show from the last one and wouldnt be invited again
Any business trying to operate at the moment needs all the help it can get to be honest and not just a club
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"I've only been to one MnG so I can't speak about what's involved in organising one but I have organised events in the past.
I know I wouldn't be handing over £100 to sit in a strangers account accumulating interest for a couple of months so they could give me £80 back on the night.
Not everyone has that sort of money especially now with so much uncertainty.
Many single ladies are able to attend events with fab friends but very few if any single men are in contact with other guys to arrange to turn up together.
And sharing details with others is no better than those groups we all know exist who share pics and details of those they meet.
Communicate better with all the attendees and pay particular attention to single guys if they are deemed to be possible no shows.
Send an encouraging message to reassure them in the build up to the event. Communication should work both ways and while you can never guarantee a full turnout they may find it easier to withdraw if they feel the hosts are more approachable.
Some might argue that they shouldn't have to give single guys special treatment but like any proper risk assessment you take measures to avoid or reduce risk. "
Why should organisers communicate more with single guys, they're adults not children ffs!
And a security deposit is a great idea! We've been in a position to have to ask for security deposits, the sketchy ones that we had concerns about oddly dissappear like snow in the Sahara.
If you have a problem with it then it's absolutely your right not to sign up for these events, but plenty will and a lot more of them will show up |
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By *ustBoWoman
over a year ago
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"At the moment in Ireland and The UK the biggest problem Restaurants have in no shows
In the good old days (2019) it wouldn't be unheard of for someone to book 10 people into a few different restaurants for the same time and the same night and then decide on the night which one to go to.
The one's that weren't picked had 10 no-shows on a busy night with a list of people turned away
Now that they are reopened guess what....the exact same thing is happening except it could close down a restaurant that was already trying to operate at 50 % normal capacity.
They are now bringing in charges that are non refundable but discounted off the bill if you show up.
Any club running meet and greets should be doing the exact same thing at a minimum.
Maybe a £/€ 50 hold charge on your credit card thats only changed on the day of the meet and not held in an account just like when you check into a hotel.
Whats wrong with the few clubs on here sharing names of people that dont show on kik ....its not like the kik groups where men and women critique their pass meets or people on fab.
Its a business trying to protect itself from closing down
I've only ever seen one person get called out in a thread when he looked for an invite to a party
( pre covid ) and was told straight out he was a no show from the last one and wouldnt be invited again
Any business trying to operate at the moment needs all the help it can get to be honest and not just a club
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But the difference is these people have already paid for their tickets they just didn't show so all that really happened was less people were there the organisers still got their money so they were not out of pocket at all.
And it's only some clubs hold these mngs a lot are not business's anyhow. Everyone pays up front before you go to any mng you haven't paid and gotten a ticket you don't get entry .
Naming and shaming can be a bad thing if it involves people with grudges on here and there are plenty with those most clubs may not but some (not all some) others holding mngs would take full advantage of it to name people they don't like. |
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Have to say was very disappointed in last nites social no offence to the guys they put alot of effort in and took a fair amount of grief for organising this event in the current situation but some of us travelled 4hrs and really made an effort to look nice and not one single guy turned up has actually put me off going to anymore events i understand that its hard as a single person but thats why there is usually a kik group set up so that you can get to know other attendees and meet up with them if you are scared about going o your own to me there is no excuse for single guys not to turn up as it is only a social so therefore nothing is expected of you you would go on a nite out with your mates so what really is the difference strangers are just friends you havent met |
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I don't have a problem with it at all.
Unlike some here I'm happy to admit that I'm not an expert but I know how to treat people as individuals and talk to them as equals.
Any of the mathematicians among us like to work out the percentage of ladies and couples who have their opinions challenged in the forums?
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By *og-ManMan
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But the difference is these people have already paid for their tickets they just didn't show so all that really happened was less people were there the organisers still got their money so they were not out of pocket at all.
Since I've never been I didnt understand this Bo and assumed a financial loss rather than just a loss of actual people at the party which makes it less interesting for all that do show up
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By *ustBoWoman
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"But the difference is these people have already paid for their tickets they just didn't show so all that really happened was less people were there the organisers still got their money so they were not out of pocket at all.
Since I've never been I didnt understand this Bo and assumed a financial loss rather than just a loss of actual people at the party which makes it less interesting for all that do show up
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"At the moment in Ireland and The UK the biggest problem Restaurants have in no shows
In the good old days (2019) it wouldn't be unheard of for someone to book 10 people into a few different restaurants for the same time and the same night and then decide on the night which one to go to.
The one's that weren't picked had 10 no-shows on a busy night with a list of people turned away
Now that they are reopened guess what....the exact same thing is happening except it could close down a restaurant that was already trying to operate at 50 % normal capacity.
They are now bringing in charges that are non refundable but discounted off the bill if you show up.
Any club running meet and greets should be doing the exact same thing at a minimum.
Maybe a £/€ 50 hold charge on your credit card thats only changed on the day of the meet and not held in an account just like when you check into a hotel.
Whats wrong with the few clubs on here sharing names of people that dont show on kik ....its not like the kik groups where men and women critique their pass meets or people on fab.
Its a business trying to protect itself from closing down
I've only ever seen one person get called out in a thread when he looked for an invite to a party
( pre covid ) and was told straight out he was a no show from the last one and wouldnt be invited again
Any business trying to operate at the moment needs all the help it can get to be honest and not just a club
But the difference is these people have already paid for their tickets they just didn't show so all that really happened was less people were there the organisers still got their money so they were not out of pocket at all.
And it's only some clubs hold these mngs a lot are not business's anyhow. Everyone pays up front before you go to any mng you haven't paid and gotten a ticket you don't get entry .
Naming and shaming can be a bad thing if it involves people with grudges on here and there are plenty with those most clubs may not but some (not all some) others holding mngs would take full advantage of it to name people they don't like. "
Yes and no. As classy lady said - you put all the effort into getting ready, pay for a hotel to stay in, drive god knows what distances to arrive to a scene where no men (who you're specifically are looking to meet) have showed up.
Yes, you will still have an okay night but it's not the point of you being there. Meet and greets are essentially there to give people a chance to potentially meet someone they may fancy to continue the night with or meet on a later date |
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"At the moment in Ireland and The UK the biggest problem Restaurants have in no shows
In the good old days (2019) it wouldn't be unheard of for someone to book 10 people into a few different restaurants for the same time and the same night and then decide on the night which one to go to.
The one's that weren't picked had 10 no-shows on a busy night with a list of people turned away
Now that they are reopened guess what....the exact same thing is happening except it could close down a restaurant that was already trying to operate at 50 % normal capacity.
They are now bringing in charges that are non refundable but discounted off the bill if you show up.
Any club running meet and greets should be doing the exact same thing at a minimum.
Maybe a £/€ 50 hold charge on your credit card thats only changed on the day of the meet and not held in an account just like when you check into a hotel.
Whats wrong with the few clubs on here sharing names of people that dont show on kik ....its not like the kik groups where men and women critique their pass meets or people on fab.
Its a business trying to protect itself from closing down
I've only ever seen one person get called out in a thread when he looked for an invite to a party
( pre covid ) and was told straight out he was a no show from the last one and wouldnt be invited again
Any business trying to operate at the moment needs all the help it can get to be honest and not just a club
But the difference is these people have already paid for their tickets they just didn't show so all that really happened was less people were there the organisers still got their money so they were not out of pocket at all.
And it's only some clubs hold these mngs a lot are not business's anyhow. Everyone pays up front before you go to any mng you haven't paid and gotten a ticket you don't get entry .
Naming and shaming can be a bad thing if it involves people with grudges on here and there are plenty with those most clubs may not but some (not all some) others holding mngs would take full advantage of it to name people they don't like.
Yes and no. As classy lady said - you put all the effort into getting ready, pay for a hotel to stay in, drive god knows what distances to arrive to a scene where no men (who you're specifically are looking to meet) have showed up.
Yes, you will still have an okay night but it's not the point of you being there. Meet and greets are essentially there to give people a chance to potentially meet someone they may fancy to continue the night with or meet on a later date "
Ye I understand that but BM thought the organisers were out financially which they aren't. And yes it leads to less there and that is dissapointing for those that do attend. But you can't force people to attend once you sold them a ticket it's out of your hands.
I know I couldn't attend a mng I paid for before covid hit as I got pulled into work that weekend. And yes I contacted the organiser beforehand so they could fill my place if he wanted. The genuine reason ones from last night didn't show probably should have done that.The others probably got cold feet. That can happen almost happened to me before my first mng but luckily I knew a few people so went with them if I was going alone I don't know if I would have gone. Not everyone is full of confidence and I know walking in somewhere like that would have filled me with dread.
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Thats the whole point of having a kik group before the event so you wont have to walk in by yourself there is just no excuse for no shows its basic manners to let people know if you cant attend something |
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Sorry to hear you had so many no shows. Way back in the day when we done the Dublin socials we always had the same problem. I even went as far as meeting unverified lads for coffee etc before the socials so that they could come to the socials but most wouldn’t even turn up for that. We would have usually invited 300 people, sometimes more, and usually would have an attendance rate of 150-200. The 100-150 who didn’t show up were usually single men, so I get your frustration!
When you have that many no shows it does effect the mood of the night, especially when people are asking about another user who that are looking forward to meeting and you have to be the one to tell them that they didn’t arrive!
Also it’s a complete waste of your time as the organiser, that’s what really irked me about the whole thing, you have enough to be doing in real life I’m sure than to be chasing the single lads to see if they are still coming etc.
I think pre charging for tickets is the only way forward, we always used the surplus funds either for the deposit on the venue for the next party or donated it to charity. |
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"At the moment in Ireland and The UK the biggest problem Restaurants have in no shows
In the good old days (2019) it wouldn't be unheard of for someone to book 10 people into a few different restaurants for the same time and the same night and then decide on the night which one to go to.
The one's that weren't picked had 10 no-shows on a busy night with a list of people turned away
Now that they are reopened guess what....the exact same thing is happening except it could close down a restaurant that was already trying to operate at 50 % normal capacity.
They are now bringing in charges that are non refundable but discounted off the bill if you show up.
Any club running meet and greets should be doing the exact same thing at a minimum.
Maybe a £/€ 50 hold charge on your credit card thats only changed on the day of the meet and not held in an account just like when you check into a hotel.
Whats wrong with the few clubs on here sharing names of people that dont show on kik ....its not like the kik groups where men and women critique their pass meets or people on fab.
Its a business trying to protect itself from closing down
I've only ever seen one person get called out in a thread when he looked for an invite to a party
( pre covid ) and was told straight out he was a no show from the last one and wouldnt be invited again
Any business trying to operate at the moment needs all the help it can get to be honest and not just a club
But the difference is these people have already paid for their tickets they just didn't show so all that really happened was less people were there the organisers still got their money so they were not out of pocket at all.
And it's only some clubs hold these mngs a lot are not business's anyhow. Everyone pays up front before you go to any mng you haven't paid and gotten a ticket you don't get entry .
Naming and shaming can be a bad thing if it involves people with grudges on here and there are plenty with those most clubs may not but some (not all some) others holding mngs would take full advantage of it to name people they don't like.
Yes and no. As classy lady said - you put all the effort into getting ready, pay for a hotel to stay in, drive god knows what distances to arrive to a scene where no men (who you're specifically are looking to meet) have showed up.
Yes, you will still have an okay night but it's not the point of you being there. Meet and greets are essentially there to give people a chance to potentially meet someone they may fancy to continue the night with or meet on a later date
Ye I understand that but BM thought the organisers were out financially which they aren't. And yes it leads to less there and that is dissapointing for those that do attend. But you can't force people to attend once you sold them a ticket it's out of your hands.
I know I couldn't attend a mng I paid for before covid hit as I got pulled into work that weekend. And yes I contacted the organiser beforehand so they could fill my place if he wanted. The genuine reason ones from last night didn't show probably should have done that.The others probably got cold feet. That can happen almost happened to me before my first mng but luckily I knew a few people so went with them if I was going alone I don't know if I would have gone. Not everyone is full of confidence and I know walking in somewhere like that would have filled me with dread.
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100% but as someone above said - grown up people. They hold the tickets for weeks, watch other people express their regret for not being able to get a ticket too. Least they can do is let the organizers know that they won't be coming just to give the place to someone else. Life happens. I understand and it's not fair to force anyone to attend. Only common decency to give that place to someone else. |
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By *ustBoWoman
over a year ago
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"At the moment in Ireland and The UK the biggest problem Restaurants have in no shows
In the good old days (2019) it wouldn't be unheard of for someone to book 10 people into a few different restaurants for the same time and the same night and then decide on the night which one to go to.
The one's that weren't picked had 10 no-shows on a busy night with a list of people turned away
Now that they are reopened guess what....the exact same thing is happening except it could close down a restaurant that was already trying to operate at 50 % normal capacity.
They are now bringing in charges that are non refundable but discounted off the bill if you show up.
Any club running meet and greets should be doing the exact same thing at a minimum.
Maybe a £/€ 50 hold charge on your credit card thats only changed on the day of the meet and not held in an account just like when you check into a hotel.
Whats wrong with the few clubs on here sharing names of people that dont show on kik ....its not like the kik groups where men and women critique their pass meets or people on fab.
Its a business trying to protect itself from closing down
I've only ever seen one person get called out in a thread when he looked for an invite to a party
( pre covid ) and was told straight out he was a no show from the last one and wouldnt be invited again
Any business trying to operate at the moment needs all the help it can get to be honest and not just a club
But the difference is these people have already paid for their tickets they just didn't show so all that really happened was less people were there the organisers still got their money so they were not out of pocket at all.
And it's only some clubs hold these mngs a lot are not business's anyhow. Everyone pays up front before you go to any mng you haven't paid and gotten a ticket you don't get entry .
Naming and shaming can be a bad thing if it involves people with grudges on here and there are plenty with those most clubs may not but some (not all some) others holding mngs would take full advantage of it to name people they don't like.
Yes and no. As classy lady said - you put all the effort into getting ready, pay for a hotel to stay in, drive god knows what distances to arrive to a scene where no men (who you're specifically are looking to meet) have showed up.
Yes, you will still have an okay night but it's not the point of you being there. Meet and greets are essentially there to give people a chance to potentially meet someone they may fancy to continue the night with or meet on a later date
Ye I understand that but BM thought the organisers were out financially which they aren't. And yes it leads to less there and that is dissapointing for those that do attend. But you can't force people to attend once you sold them a ticket it's out of your hands.
I know I couldn't attend a mng I paid for before covid hit as I got pulled into work that weekend. And yes I contacted the organiser beforehand so they could fill my place if he wanted. The genuine reason ones from last night didn't show probably should have done that.The others probably got cold feet. That can happen almost happened to me before my first mng but luckily I knew a few people so went with them if I was going alone I don't know if I would have gone. Not everyone is full of confidence and I know walking in somewhere like that would have filled me with dread.
100% but as someone above said - grown up people. They hold the tickets for weeks, watch other people express their regret for not being able to get a ticket too. Least they can do is let the organizers know that they won't be coming just to give the place to someone else. Life happens. I understand and it's not fair to force anyone to attend. Only common decency to give that place to someone else."
Yes that I agree with completely. I don't know why they can't give someone who will attend a chance if they know they aren't going. |
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Now if madhatter ever gets round to organising a social I’d be insisting on a large Number of single guys getting tickets . This will keep the single ladies happy because I’m very certain they dolled themselves up with the intention of flirting and maybe more and I can only imagine how disappointing it would be if there wasn’t a variety of fresh meat available  |
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"Why r so many men no shows!
We have gotten a lot of flack in the past for charging men a higher price to attend parties. We do this as we hope that the higher cost will add value for them and they r more likely to attend. We also like to balance numbers so we have an even ratio on men to women. For Last nights event We purposely over subscribed gents tickets to allow for he no shows. Gents tickets went in a day and still 80% didn’t show. Why!?
We did a near me now break down and 80% r men 16% couples and 4% women. (80% of the couples and ladies were at r event so not sure how accurate that is on a normal day)
But with such high demand why r men all talk! Answers and reasoning from men ladies and couples all welcome.
Sorry for the rant but without genuine guys r events aren’t as fab as we and other attendees would like them to be!!"
Maybe perhaps the right guys haven't been approached some talk a good game but when it comes to reality that's all they can do is talk zero action or the fact of current events might put people off I for one if I can't make it to a partie I have no problem with mentioning it well in advanced
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over a year ago
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"Why r so many men no shows!
We have gotten a lot of flack in the past for charging men a higher price to attend parties. We do this as we hope that the higher cost will add value for them and they r more likely to attend. We also like to balance numbers so we have an even ratio on men to women"
Have to be honest I dont understand the reason for charging single men double the cost of a single woman
How does it add value to the cost of a mans ticket to pay twice as much
Are single men seen as cash cows on the scene.
Maybe in these times a man would be more likely to go if he could spend the extra money in the bar rather than subsidise the cost of everyone else going after all he also has to stay in the same hotel as the single woman but only pays the same price instead of double it |
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"100% but as someone above said - grown up people. They hold the tickets for weeks, watch other people express their regret for not being able to get a ticket too. Least they can do is let the organizers know that they won't be coming just to give the place to someone else. Life happens. I understand and it's not fair to force anyone to attend. Only common decency to give that place to someone else.
Yes that I agree with completely. I don't know why they can't give someone who will attend a chance if they know they aren't going."
Totally agree with charging hefty refundable deposits. Selfish people everywhere and this'll keep the feckers away |
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"Why r so many men no shows!
We have gotten a lot of flack in the past for charging men a higher price to attend parties. We do this as we hope that the higher cost will add value for them and they r more likely to attend. We also like to balance numbers so we have an even ratio on men to women
Have to be honest I dont understand the reason for charging single men double the cost of a single woman
How does it add value to the cost of a mans ticket to pay twice as much
Are single men seen as cash cows on the scene.
Maybe in these times a man would be more likely to go if he could spend the extra money in the bar rather than subsidise the cost of everyone else going after all he also has to stay in the same hotel as the single woman but only pays the same price instead of double it"
Agree with this, guys get a raw deal, should be charged the same as the ladies |
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"Why r so many men no shows!
We have gotten a lot of flack in the past for charging men a higher price to attend parties. We do this as we hope that the higher cost will add value for them and they r more likely to attend. We also like to balance numbers so we have an even ratio on men to women
Have to be honest I dont understand the reason for charging single men double the cost of a single woman
How does it add value to the cost of a mans ticket to pay twice as much
Are single men seen as cash cows on the scene.
Maybe in these times a man would be more likely to go if he could spend the extra money in the bar rather than subsidise the cost of everyone else going after all he also has to stay in the same hotel as the single woman but only pays the same price instead of double it
Agree with this, guys get a raw deal, should be charged the same as the ladies "
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"Why r so many men no shows!
We have gotten a lot of flack in the past for charging men a higher price to attend parties. We do this as we hope that the higher cost will add value for them and they r more likely to attend. We also like to balance numbers so we have an even ratio on men to women
Have to be honest I dont understand the reason for charging single men double the cost of a single woman
How does it add value to the cost of a mans ticket to pay twice as much
Are single men seen as cash cows on the scene.
Maybe in these times a man would be more likely to go if he could spend the extra money in the bar rather than subsidise the cost of everyone else going after all he also has to stay in the same hotel as the single woman but only pays the same price instead of double it"
Absolutely agree, it's just a ripoff, however, there are clearly enough men desperate enough to comply and so the cycle continues |
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Hi ... really new here and have arranged 3 meets and showed for each one .. I was really nervous and meeting in these circumstances it’s worse than a club.. so I don’t think it can be nerves about meeting as the clubs should be easier.. that’s my 2 cents.. and by the way.. I wanna invite |
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"Why r so many men no shows!
We have gotten a lot of flack in the past for charging men a higher price to attend parties. We do this as we hope that the higher cost will add value for them and they r more likely to attend. We also like to balance numbers so we have an even ratio on men to women
Have to be honest I dont understand the reason for charging single men double the cost of a single woman
How does it add value to the cost of a mans ticket to pay twice as much
Are single men seen as cash cows on the scene.
Maybe in these times a man would be more likely to go if he could spend the extra money in the bar rather than subsidise the cost of everyone else going after all he also has to stay in the same hotel as the single woman but only pays the same price instead of double it"
I Agree with BM and emailed same to Vanilla Club who said they will review this single men double charge in a year's time. |
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"Why r so many men no shows!
We have gotten a lot of flack in the past for charging men a higher price to attend parties. We do this as we hope that the higher cost will add value for them and they r more likely to attend. We also like to balance numbers so we have an even ratio on men to women
Have to be honest I dont understand the reason for charging single men double the cost of a single woman
How does it add value to the cost of a mans ticket to pay twice as much
Are single men seen as cash cows on the scene.
Maybe in these times a man would be more likely to go if he could spend the extra money in the bar rather than subsidise the cost of everyone else going after all he also has to stay in the same hotel as the single woman but only pays the same price instead of double it"
All part of communicating to your clientele and allowing all decisions to be made on an equal standing rather than asking a large part of your revenue stream to jump through additional hoops and then complaining when they fall short. |
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"When we had our club in Dublin we didn't invite single males, even though we had lots of requests. So, when couples came to the club it was gender balanced, with perhaps a few extra single women occasionally. It saved us lots of hassle, as couples are usually reliable and turn up on the night.As well, we weren't offering a social night out for single men, our primary purpose was to run a successful business, with as little hassle and as much fun as possible. Maybe the swinging scene in the NW is different to Dublin. Best of luck for the future events. "
We understand the business side of things, but to run a successful night, weather it be social or play, a lot of single girls and a few couples do like the company of a single gent, so in our opinion, single gents, in controlled numbers are needed to make a night work well |
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"Have to say was very disappointed in last nites social no offence to the guys they put alot of effort in and took a fair amount of grief for organising this event in the current situation but some of us travelled 4hrs and really made an effort to look nice and not one single guy turned up has actually put me off going to anymore events i understand that its hard as a single person but thats why there is usually a kik group set up so that you can get to know other attendees and meet up with them if you are scared about going o your own to me there is no excuse for single guys not to turn up as it is only a social so therefore nothing is expected of you you would go on a nite out with your mates so what really is the difference strangers are just friends you havent met "
Thanks for the kind and wise words. Your understanding is appreciated. When we get out of lock down we hope to host something a little bigger and better and work harder on the single gents guest list ... we hope it hasn’t put u off for ever |
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No it definetly hasnt put me off completely i still had a good nite just very annoying when you go to so much effort and people let you down i really did feel for you guys last nite really dont know what the answer is its just so hard to get the scene going properly here |
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My two cents... charge a set fee non refundable. There probably is the odd real case but that is hard luck
From a man's perspective I'd imagine most of these lads are here on the sneak and bottle it or a few get a buzz out of being invited when never really going to go
Though I can't imagine not going from my pov unless I was being a sneaky boi!!
Maybe a quick cam chat as a prerequisite a few days before at a set time
If you can put a mush to a profile they can’t fool you again with a profile switch and it will automatically dissuade the lads that are hear on the sly that have no intention of going and are fearful to show a face |
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"When I do socials the singles that attended previous events get invited first,then the couple's then the single ladies, I usually get 90% showing up."
Careful now you'll get the data protection weirdos telling you that you can't hold information on who turned up last time and who didn't. |
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To the men with a stick up their ass about being charged more than girls and couples.. GROW UP! It's simple economics, girl and couple tickets are probably under subscribed, whole guys tickets will be oversubscribed by probably 2 to 1, is supply and demand.and it has always been thus. The people who run these events owe you nothing, they are running a business, not a charity, and if you don't like it you are welcome to vote with your wallet and not purchase a ticket. And I say this as having been on fab as single guy for quite a while |
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"I always wonder of how many man are here behind their partners back or just fantasising about it while not in a happy marriage. So they are just using Fab as an escape but generally cancel at short notice as it is just a fantasy, or would chicken out at the last minute...?
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We’re almost certain the answer lies in there. I know that we’ve had to pull out of a couple of events/socials at short notice due to family reasons but never an actual meet as it’s usually a time/day we’ve selected and know we are free |
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"To the men with a stick up their ass about being charged more than girls and couples.. GROW UP! It's simple economics, girl and couple tickets are probably under subscribed, whole guys tickets will be oversubscribed by probably 2 to 1, is supply and demand.and it has always been thus. The people who run these events owe you nothing, they are running a business, not a charity, and if you don't like it you are welcome to vote with your wallet and not purchase a ticket. And I say this as having been on fab as single guy for quite a while"
In fairness you seem to be the only one on the thread with a stick up your arse about anything
I asked a genuine question wondering why single men got extra value by paying double
Others came into the thread more experienced than me going to clubs and asked the same question politely
The Op send me a pm and I wished them well but even your answer doesnt explain why single men pay double
It just seems to be an arbitrary figure
If all the tickets sell out shouldn't everyone's ticket cost double
If someone is running a party and has a certain amount of single men going that everyone knows is going to fill up then why shouldn't the price be the same as everyone else |
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"A lot use it for wank fuel, then shit the bed when a real offer comes along (because they are secretly attached or not the sex machine that they claimed).
Years ago, and on another site, we had four lads lined up for a Saturday stag themed event Scarlett, (then Bonnie) was going to be the stripper and I the lucky stag, but all of us would have had fun.
3 lads from Dublin.
1 lad from Galway.
2 lads cancelled in the week leading up the Saturday night.
One didn’t respond to the planning text on the Friday (don’t think we ever got an excuse).
That left us with the lad driving over from Galway who had been nagging us for months to meet (in a playful way)
Saturday morning, heard nothing. Saturday afternoon, we text to confirm as we are loading the car to discover he can’t make it due to car trouble. Waster.
Sites like this, nothing is a done deal until everyone is nude and hungry in the same room, and a large population of single males so just stick to cam girls.
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"To the men with a stick up their ass about being charged more than girls and couples.. GROW UP! It's simple economics, girl and couple tickets are probably under subscribed, whole guys tickets will be oversubscribed by probably 2 to 1, is supply and demand.and it has always been thus. The people who run these events owe you nothing, they are running a business, not a charity, and if you don't like it you are welcome to vote with your wallet and not purchase a ticket. And I say this as having been on fab as single guy for quite a while
In fairness you seem to be the only one on the thread with a stick up your arse about anything
I asked a genuine question wondering why single men got extra value by paying double
Others came into the thread more experienced than me going to clubs and asked the same question politely
The Op send me a pm and I wished them well but even your answer doesnt explain why single men pay double
It just seems to be an arbitrary figure
If all the tickets sell out shouldn't everyone's ticket cost double
If someone is running a party and has a certain amount of single men going that everyone knows is going to fill up then why shouldn't the price be the same as everyone else "
Like I said, it's the simple economics of supply and demand, if you are selling apples and pears, but five times as many people want pears, the price of pears goes up. Also as I said, these are business, not charities, how they run their business is up to them, they can charge what they like and owe no one an explanation. If you don't like it don't go |
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By *aid backMan
over a year ago
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When I used to run things regularly, I kept a list of no shows ( the black list).
It's also the reason I don't like chat groups before events as most of the men that join them are the ones that no show. They get access to people they can't via the site (because they have filters up)
I never charged more for men than women but I normally oversubscribe single men just because they are so flakey.
The bullshit reason over nerves etc is an absolute cop out. You are going to an event no different than a birthday party or similar. You are not expected to perform on stage for fucks sake God love you if you are not able to turn up to a social gathering. How the fuck could you possibly turn up to a 3 some with two women.
Some people will say that "people have anxiety or other problems" I get that but don't ask for an invite to a gathering that will trigger it.
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"When I used to run things regularly, I kept a list of no shows ( the black list).
It's also the reason I don't like chat groups before events as most of the men that join them are the ones that no show. They get access to people they can't via the site (because they have filters up)
I never charged more for men than women but I normally oversubscribe single men just because they are so flakey.
The bullshit reason over nerves etc is an absolute cop out. You are going to an event no different than a birthday party or similar. You are not expected to perform on stage for fucks sake God love you if you are not able to turn up to a social gathering. How the fuck could you possibly turn up to a 3 some with two women.
Some people will say that "people have anxiety or other problems" I get that but don't ask for an invite to a gathering that will trigger it.
But the deposit and refund for single guys is a brilliant idea. "
Agreed, I don't understand the flakeyness and I don't buy the excuses for an instant. For me, it's down to attached men wanting the thrill of the chase. Sure, it's nerve wracking going alone when you know few people but you knew that sending the email to ask for an invite.
In general, men have a poor site reputation, but in person, it's the total opposite and everyone is open, engaged and happy to chat. |
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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"To the men with a stick up their ass about being charged more than girls and couples.. GROW UP! It's simple economics, girl and couple tickets are probably under subscribed, whole guys tickets will be oversubscribed by probably 2 to 1, is supply and demand.and it has always been thus. The people who run these events owe you nothing, they are running a business, not a charity, and if you don't like it you are welcome to vote with your wallet and not purchase a ticket. And I say this as having been on fab as single guy for quite a while
In fairness you seem to be the only one on the thread with a stick up your arse about anything
I asked a genuine question wondering why single men got extra value by paying double
Others came into the thread more experienced than me going to clubs and asked the same question politely
The Op send me a pm and I wished them well but even your answer doesnt explain why single men pay double
It just seems to be an arbitrary figure
If all the tickets sell out shouldn't everyone's ticket cost double
If someone is running a party and has a certain amount of single men going that everyone knows is going to fill up then why shouldn't the price be the same as everyone else
Like I said, it's the simple economics of supply and demand, if you are selling apples and pears, but five times as many people want pears, the price of pears goes up. Also as I said, these are business, not charities, how they run their business is up to them, they can charge what they like and owe no one an explanation. If you don't like it don't go"
But the OP asked for opinions as to why men didnt turn up after paying so obviously something is wrong.
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"To the men with a stick up their ass about being charged more than girls and couples.. GROW UP! It's simple economics, girl and couple tickets are probably under subscribed, whole guys tickets will be oversubscribed by probably 2 to 1, is supply and demand.and it has always been thus. The people who run these events owe you nothing, they are running a business, not a charity, and if you don't like it you are welcome to vote with your wallet and not purchase a ticket. And I say this as having been on fab as single guy for quite a while
In fairness you seem to be the only one on the thread with a stick up your arse about anything
I asked a genuine question wondering why single men got extra value by paying double
Others came into the thread more experienced than me going to clubs and asked the same question politely
The Op send me a pm and I wished them well but even your answer doesnt explain why single men pay double
It just seems to be an arbitrary figure
If all the tickets sell out shouldn't everyone's ticket cost double
If someone is running a party and has a certain amount of single men going that everyone knows is going to fill up then why shouldn't the price be the same as everyone else
Like I said, it's the simple economics of supply and demand, if you are selling apples and pears, but five times as many people want pears, the price of pears goes up. Also as I said, these are business, not charities, how they run their business is up to them, they can charge what they like and owe no one an explanation. If you don't like it don't go
But the OP asked for opinions as to why men didnt turn up after paying so obviously something is wrong.
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The problem. wasn't that they didn't want to pay, they did. The problem was that they paid for tickets but didn't turn up, it's nothing to do with the price of the tickets
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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Just a couple of thoughts on this
Do the women of fab tend to meet beforehand,have a few drinks,chat before they go into a M&G ..are they naturally more social than men anyway...so no nerves about going into a venue solo
I'm trying to word this bit without offending anyone.
Are the men on fab basically a bit of a cockfight anyway
Do some men treat other men as competition and run them down in front of others thus building themselves up to be something special.When the time comes to actually walk the walk they can't because they've nothing to back up all their bravado
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"Just a couple of thoughts on this
Do the women of fab tend to meet beforehand,have a few drinks,chat before they go into a M&G ..are they naturally more social than men anyway...so no nerves about going into a venue solo
I'm trying to word this bit without offending anyone.
Are the men on fab basically a bit of a cockfight anyway
Do some men treat other men as competition and run them down in front of others thus building themselves up to be something special.When the time comes to actually walk the walk they can't because they've nothing to back up all their bravado
So they don't show at all"
It's a pretty intense environment to walk I to on your own, not knowing a single person. Loads of guys will love the idea but when push comes to shove it's easier To say fuck it and go for a pint with your mate mate instead. For couples it's differant, you're already with your wingman/woman, and from experience, the girls of fab tend to know eachother, there's much less of them so they tend to have met or chatted in some form.
In summation, like all things swinging, it's tough for the single guys, but it is what it is and the strongest will survive, law of the jungle |
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By *ustBoWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in Co. Down |
"Just a couple of thoughts on this
Do the women of fab tend to meet beforehand,have a few drinks,chat before they go into a M&G ..are they naturally more social than men anyway...so no nerves about going into a venue solo
I'm trying to word this bit without offending anyone.
Are the men on fab basically a bit of a cockfight anyway
Do some men treat other men as competition and run them down in front of others thus building themselves up to be something special.When the time comes to actually walk the walk they can't because they've nothing to back up all their bravado
So they don't show at all"
Before my first mng I was lucky enough to know a couple of people and we were staying at the same hotel so met them before and went with them. I genuinely do not know if I would have gone if I had to go alone I have never been good at walking into places alone. So because of that I can see why guys would chicken out. I know when I booked my ticket it seemed like a great idea but as the time got closer I got more nervous. In the end it was a good night.
You can see even by the comments on this thread alone how some guys like to put others down. Even in messages I get it happens quite a bit with new message from some guy telling me how he is great while all others are crap, unreliable or whatever other idea they come up with to big themeselves up. And honestly it's a turn off and usually anyone who does that I'm not interested in meeting. But I don't believe that is the reason why they didn't show. I dont know why they didn't I don't for a minute believe it was because they were all attached who didnt show either.
The one thing I do agree with on this thread is that they should have contacted the organisers to let them know so they could arrange for others to go instead. |
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"Has anyone ever contemplated that there could be women pretending to be men behind those no show men profiles just to give the genuine single lads a bad name?  "
They're going to PAY for tickets and not show up to make the entirety of maledom look bad.. |
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"Have to be honest I dont understand the reason for charging single men double the cost of a single woman
How does it add value to the cost of a mans ticket to pay twice as much
Are single men seen as cash cows on the scene.
Maybe in these times a man would be more likely to go if he could spend the extra money in the bar rather than subsidise the cost of everyone else going after all he also has to stay in the same hotel as the single woman but only pays the same price instead of double it"
Essentially, because they can. Not everyone does but they other way you have to look at it is the way some clubs work, there's a set price but at certain events or evenings but girls get a discount. This in turn brings fellas out because, outside of sporting events, for example, men will not pay a fee to spend their time in the company of solely other men.
Males are not seen as the cash cows as such, females are seen as the carrot on the stick to bring numbers in.
To stick with the vegetation analogy though, some males get nervous, some couples get nervous (we nearly walked before getting to our first one and if it hadn't been for us being together neither would likely have made it in the door) but there is certainly a large percentage where the grass looks greener on the other side. |
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"Has anyone ever contemplated that there could be women pretending to be men behind those no show men profiles just to give the genuine single lads a bad name? "
That explains why the ratio of male to female profiles on here is so out of proportion 
Those sneaky women all have 3 other male accounts for every one of their own female accounts.
Also explains the 'I'm horny' limited effort messages
Men have been rightly stiched up here |
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
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"Has anyone ever contemplated that there could be women pretending to be men behind those no show men profiles just to give the genuine single lads a bad name?
They're going to PAY for tickets and not show up to make the entirety of maledom look bad.. "
 ever heard of irony? |
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"Have to be honest I dont understand the reason for charging single men double the cost of a single woman
How does it add value to the cost of a mans ticket to pay twice as much
Are single men seen as cash cows on the scene.
Maybe in these times a man would be more likely to go if he could spend the extra money in the bar rather than subsidise the cost of everyone else going after all he also has to stay in the same hotel as the single woman but only pays the same price instead of double it
Essentially, because they can. Not everyone does but they other way you have to look at it is the way some clubs work, there's a set price but at certain events or evenings but girls get a discount. This in turn brings fellas out because, outside of sporting events, for example, men will not pay a fee to spend their time in the company of solely other men.
Males are not seen as the cash cows as such, females are seen as the carrot on the stick to bring numbers in.
To stick with the vegetation analogy though, some males get nervous, some couples get nervous (we nearly walked before getting to our first one and if it hadn't been for us being together neither would likely have made it in the door) but there is certainly a large percentage where the grass looks greener on the other side. "
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"Has anyone ever contemplated that there could be women pretending to be men behind those no show men profiles just to give the genuine single lads a bad name?
They're going to PAY for tickets and not show up to make the entirety of maledom look bad..
ever heard of irony? "
Missed that, sorry.. In my defense some people do say some Really stupid things on here, sometimes it makes you go snowblind .. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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From my perspective if your serious then you will turn up, As said by others everyone gets nervous but you know what you have signed up.
In regards to cost it’s par for the course and maybe the charging of a higher price might work.
I like the idea of a FaceTime call or something like that before confirmation of booking. But not a fan of the previous veris especially if you haven’t got any (If you were new like I was for my first m&g then I probably would not have met the selection criteria as some are suggesting).
I found the kik group quite helpful as it broke the ice abit and I had a very nice couple recognise me before the meet and greet due to the group, which made the nerves disappear.
In the main I think it’s just good manners to turn up if you say your going to turn up. No one is gonna bite you.lol but there is probably no silver bullet. Hope it’s better numbers next time. |
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By *aid backMan
over a year ago
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Whenever I run events be it a meet and greet or a party everyone pays the exact same. It's done per person so a single guy is 10 , a woman is 10 a couple is 20 a truple is 30 etc. Because I was a single guy and don't agree with the guys pay more shite. Everyone is treated equal. But if you no show you're done. If you drop out a few days in advance then ok you're given another chance but if you become a pull out merchant then your banned too. That goes for everyone man woman cpl. I've banned a lot of women and cpls from events |
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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"Whenever I run events be it a meet and greet or a party everyone pays the exact same. It's done per person so a single guy is 10 , a woman is 10 a couple is 20 a truple is 30 etc. Because I was a single guy and don't agree with the guys pay more shite. Everyone is treated equal. But if you no show you're done. If you drop out a few days in advance then ok you're given another chance but if you become a pull out merchant then your banned too. That goes for everyone man woman cpl. I've banned a lot of women and cpls from events "
Do you run the kik group or is it regulars that mainly go
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By *aid backMan
over a year ago
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"Whenever I run events be it a meet and greet or a party everyone pays the exact same. It's done per person so a single guy is 10 , a woman is 10 a couple is 20 a truple is 30 etc. Because I was a single guy and don't agree with the guys pay more shite. Everyone is treated equal. But if you no show you're done. If you drop out a few days in advance then ok you're given another chance but if you become a pull out merchant then your banned too. That goes for everyone man woman cpl. I've banned a lot of women and cpls from events
Do you run the kik group or is it regulars that mainly go
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The problem with Kik groups before hand is a lot of guys just join them to get access to people they might not be able to contact via the site. Then never show up to the event.
What I do to help people who are nervous is nervous newbie pre drinks an hour or so before the event that way you get to know other new and nervous people also a lot of regulars turn up to these too and then we all head to the main location as our own group. |
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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"Whenever I run events be it a meet and greet or a party everyone pays the exact same. It's done per person so a single guy is 10 , a woman is 10 a couple is 20 a truple is 30 etc. Because I was a single guy and don't agree with the guys pay more shite. Everyone is treated equal. But if you no show you're done. If you drop out a few days in advance then ok you're given another chance but if you become a pull out merchant then your banned too. That goes for everyone man woman cpl. I've banned a lot of women and cpls from events
Do you run the kik group or is it regulars that mainly go
The problem with Kik groups before hand is a lot of guys just join them to get access to people they might not be able to contact via the site. Then never show up to the event.
What I do to help people who are nervous is nervous newbie pre drinks an hour or so before the event that way you get to know other new and nervous people also a lot of regulars turn up to these too and then we all head to the main location as our own group."
Just asking questions if you don't mind
What does the organiser get of of it
Is it the pleasure of knowing you've organised a good night for everyone and hope someone else does a good job the next time so you can relax and enjoy it |
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By *kd2019Man
over a year ago
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Well if it’s any consolation the next time i’ll take a ticket ?? if it’s going and i won’t sit on the fence,and let you down like some of these lads you’re on about life is all about experiences you need to take them when there going and enjoy them |
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"Whenever I run events be it a meet and greet or a party everyone pays the exact same. It's done per person so a single guy is 10 , a woman is 10 a couple is 20 a truple is 30 etc. Because I was a single guy and don't agree with the guys pay more shite. Everyone is treated equal. But if you no show you're done. If you drop out a few days in advance then ok you're given another chance but if you become a pull out merchant then your banned too. That goes for everyone man woman cpl. I've banned a lot of women and cpls from events "
Firstly, fair play to you for organising events. But secondly you can't compare what you fo with a commercial enterprise. You do it because you e joy it, that fo it for profit, and in their business model single guys are the commodity. Single girls and couples are given preferential rates because without them there is nothing. It's the same reason night clubs with big queues outside let in the hot girls for free, where there are girls there will be guys and they will pay handsomely just to get in. The event organisers will charge guys more because there are more of them and a lot of them don't give a toss about the extra cost, simple economics. As I've said before these are businesses and if you don't like they way the run thier business then you have the right to vote with your wallet and not buy a ticket. But its unfair to attempt to hold these businesses to the same standard as you, who are just doing it for a bit of fun |
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"Whenever I run events be it a meet and greet or a party everyone pays the exact same. It's done per person so a single guy is 10 , a woman is 10 a couple is 20 a truple is 30 etc. Because I was a single guy and don't agree with the guys pay more shite. Everyone is treated equal. But if you no show you're done. If you drop out a few days in advance then ok you're given another chance but if you become a pull out merchant then your banned too. That goes for everyone man woman cpl. I've banned a lot of women and cpls from events
Firstly, fair play to you for organising events. But secondly you can't compare what you fo with a commercial enterprise. You do it because you e joy it, that fo it for profit, and in their business model single guys are the commodity. Single girls and couples are given preferential rates because without them there is nothing. It's the same reason night clubs with big queues outside let in the hot girls for free, where there are girls there will be guys and they will pay handsomely just to get in. The event organisers will charge guys more because there are more of them and a lot of them don't give a toss about the extra cost, simple economics. As I've said before these are businesses and if you don't like they way the run thier business then you have the right to vote with your wallet and not buy a ticket. But its unfair to attempt to hold these businesses to the same standard as you, who are just doing it for a bit of fun"
Thanks for the explanation but when you say that without couples and single women there would be nothing
Without the single men on Saturday there seemed to be nothing anyway
I know the OP got the tickets paid for so technically didnt miss out |
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"Whenever I run events be it a meet and greet or a party everyone pays the exact same. It's done per person so a single guy is 10 , a woman is 10 a couple is 20 a truple is 30 etc. Because I was a single guy and don't agree with the guys pay more shite. Everyone is treated equal. But if you no show you're done. If you drop out a few days in advance then ok you're given another chance but if you become a pull out merchant then your banned too. That goes for everyone man woman cpl. I've banned a lot of women and cpls from events
Firstly, fair play to you for organising events. But secondly you can't compare what you fo with a commercial enterprise. You do it because you e joy it, that fo it for profit, and in their business model single guys are the commodity. Single girls and couples are given preferential rates because without them there is nothing. It's the same reason night clubs with big queues outside let in the hot girls for free, where there are girls there will be guys and they will pay handsomely just to get in. The event organisers will charge guys more because there are more of them and a lot of them don't give a toss about the extra cost, simple economics. As I've said before these are businesses and if you don't like they way the run thier business then you have the right to vote with your wallet and not buy a ticket. But its unfair to attempt to hold these businesses to the same standard as you, who are just doing it for a bit of fun
Thanks for the explanation but when you say that without couples and single women there would be nothing
Without the single men on Saturday there seemed to be nothing anyway
I know the OP got the tickets paid for so technically didnt miss out "
I was really just talking about the backlash about guys paying more. Obviously it's an issue when guts don't turn up, but how that is addressed is a differant problem. I had suggested on another thread that guys should maybe make the effort to get to know eachother rather than just focusing on getting meets. It would be a lot more inviting to go to an event with a wingman you know already rather than having to walk into a room full of complete strangers |
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"Whenever I run events be it a meet and greet or a party everyone pays the exact same. It's done per person so a single guy is 10 , a woman is 10 a couple is 20 a truple is 30 etc. Because I was a single guy and don't agree with the guys pay more shite. Everyone is treated equal. But if you no show you're done. If you drop out a few days in advance then ok you're given another chance but if you become a pull out merchant then your banned too. That goes for everyone man woman cpl. I've banned a lot of women and cpls from events
Firstly, fair play to you for organising events. But secondly you can't compare what you fo with a commercial enterprise. You do it because you e joy it, that fo it for profit, and in their business model single guys are the commodity. Single girls and couples are given preferential rates because without them there is nothing. It's the same reason night clubs with big queues outside let in the hot girls for free, where there are girls there will be guys and they will pay handsomely just to get in. The event organisers will charge guys more because there are more of them and a lot of them don't give a toss about the extra cost, simple economics. As I've said before these are businesses and if you don't like they way the run thier business then you have the right to vote with your wallet and not buy a ticket. But its unfair to attempt to hold these businesses to the same standard as you, who are just doing it for a bit of fun
Thanks for the explanation but when you say that without couples and single women there would be nothing
Without the single men on Saturday there seemed to be nothing anyway
I know the OP got the tickets paid for so technically didnt miss out
I was really just talking about the backlash about guys paying more. Obviously it's an issue when guts don't turn up, but how that is addressed is a differant problem. I had suggested on another thread that guys should maybe make the effort to get to know eachother rather than just focusing on getting meets. It would be a lot more inviting to go to an event with a wingman you know already rather than having to walk into a room full of complete strangers"
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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"Whenever I run events be it a meet and greet or a party everyone pays the exact same. It's done per person so a single guy is 10 , a woman is 10 a couple is 20 a truple is 30 etc. Because I was a single guy and don't agree with the guys pay more shite. Everyone is treated equal. But if you no show you're done. If you drop out a few days in advance then ok you're given another chance but if you become a pull out merchant then your banned too. That goes for everyone man woman cpl. I've banned a lot of women and cpls from events
Firstly, fair play to you for organising events. But secondly you can't compare what you fo with a commercial enterprise. You do it because you e joy it, that fo it for profit, and in their business model single guys are the commodity. Single girls and couples are given preferential rates because without them there is nothing. It's the same reason night clubs with big queues outside let in the hot girls for free, where there are girls there will be guys and they will pay handsomely just to get in. The event organisers will charge guys more because there are more of them and a lot of them don't give a toss about the extra cost, simple economics. As I've said before these are businesses and if you don't like they way the run thier business then you have the right to vote with your wallet and not buy a ticket. But its unfair to attempt to hold these businesses to the same standard as you, who are just doing it for a bit of fun
Thanks for the explanation but when you say that without couples and single women there would be nothing
Without the single men on Saturday there seemed to be nothing anyway
I know the OP got the tickets paid for so technically didnt miss out
I was really just talking about the backlash about guys paying more. Obviously it's an issue when guts don't turn up, but how that is addressed is a differant problem. I had suggested on another thread that guys should maybe make the effort to get to know eachother rather than just focusing on getting meets. It would be a lot more inviting to go to an event with a wingman you know already rather than having to walk into a room full of complete strangers
Ooooh but sure that would be too gay for them... "
I'm not sure it is that to be honest..i can think of 20 men on here off the top of my head I'd love to have a pint with just to chat and have a bit of craic with and hopefully they wouldn't think its too gay and enjoy it without it being some sort of competition
Someone tried to set up a golf society last week ....I hope that works out as it seemed to be mostly men that were interested
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"Whenever I run events be it a meet and greet or a party everyone pays the exact same. It's done per person so a single guy is 10 , a woman is 10 a couple is 20 a truple is 30 etc. Because I was a single guy and don't agree with the guys pay more shite. Everyone is treated equal. But if you no show you're done. If you drop out a few days in advance then ok you're given another chance but if you become a pull out merchant then your banned too. That goes for everyone man woman cpl. I've banned a lot of women and cpls from events
Firstly, fair play to you for organising events. But secondly you can't compare what you fo with a commercial enterprise. You do it because you e joy it, that fo it for profit, and in their business model single guys are the commodity. Single girls and couples are given preferential rates because without them there is nothing. It's the same reason night clubs with big queues outside let in the hot girls for free, where there are girls there will be guys and they will pay handsomely just to get in. The event organisers will charge guys more because there are more of them and a lot of them don't give a toss about the extra cost, simple economics. As I've said before these are businesses and if you don't like they way the run thier business then you have the right to vote with your wallet and not buy a ticket. But its unfair to attempt to hold these businesses to the same standard as you, who are just doing it for a bit of fun
Thanks for the explanation but when you say that without couples and single women there would be nothing
Without the single men on Saturday there seemed to be nothing anyway
I know the OP got the tickets paid for so technically didnt miss out
I was really just talking about the backlash about guys paying more. Obviously it's an issue when guts don't turn up, but how that is addressed is a differant problem. I had suggested on another thread that guys should maybe make the effort to get to know eachother rather than just focusing on getting meets. It would be a lot more inviting to go to an event with a wingman you know already rather than having to walk into a room full of complete strangers
Ooooh but sure that would be too gay for them...
I'm not sure it is that to be honest..i can think of 20 men on here off the top of my head I'd love to have a pint with just to chat and have a bit of craic with and hopefully they wouldn't think its too gay and enjoy it without it being some sort of competition
Someone tried to set up a golf society last week ....I hope that works out as it seemed to be mostly men that were interested
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"And then I wonder how it's so hard for single males on this site!
I'd have traveled from southern Ireland up to the north for this, but there's no point in applying for anything like this until I get meet verification and that's hard enough to get! But all one can do is keep trying, hopefully I'll make it to a little gathering of this sort sometime "
That's a fact, I hope getting started is the hardest part because this is seriously frustrating. I don't blame the people not willing to take the chance on us not verified. I blame the dickhead no shows for ruining it for the genuine guys
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