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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I’m just looking for advice, are those pre, during and post workout supplements any good?
I used the TNT pre workout and some bang off it.
Or just keep going and do the workout and be a bit more patient? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just get your diet in order working off Maintance calories. Then add 100-500 extra for bulking. Don’t need much more or it will just end up adding fat. I’m assuming you want to bulk muscle. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Yeah that’s the plan, I went on a program after phase zero of lockdown and stayed with it.
I’ve upped the number of gym sessions per week, plus the amount of tennis and hikes.
I was stiff yesterday, so that’s why I was wondering do the post workout things work? |
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tennis and hikes would be classed as cardio and upping your cardio is only done really when you are cutting NOT bulking.
Bulking mainly down to diet, taking in the right amount of carbs, protein etc. Also volume weight lifting etc. it all depends on what aesthetic you are really going for and tbh i would recommend actually talking to someone whos in the know. Himself has been doing weights for years and he got a proper programme done for bulking and cutting which included his diet and workout programme |
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If you're bulking then lay off the hi king and tennis, you're wasting valuable calories.. Get a good program in place SL5x5 or GVT are good for packing on size. The only supplements that are actually proven t o work are protein and creatine, everything else makes expensive pee! Get a good clean diet in place and train hard and you're golden |
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and also he doesnt set much store by these pre and post workout things and you can also overtrain the muscles which means you will be spinning your wheels. he changes up his workouts every couple of months and has set days for his workout for optimal muscle building anything after that is time and energy wasted |
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"tennis and hikes would be classed as cardio and upping your cardio is only done really when you are cutting NOT bulking.
Bulking mainly down to diet, taking in the right amount of carbs, protein etc. Also volume weight lifting etc. it all depends on what aesthetic you are really going for and tbh i would recommend actually talking to someone whos in the know. Himself has been doing weights for years and he got a proper programme done for bulking and cutting which included his diet and workout programme"
What she said..  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There's also a large groundswell of opinion that original body type, (mesomorph, endomorph, ectomorph) will determine the type of workout and macros that will work for you, so don't rely on the workout that works for your mate thinking it will also work for you |
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Don't bother with the pre work outs supps OP... most are just laced with caffeine
Have a coffee and 5g of creatine before training
Make sure you're hitting adequate protein target and up your calories by 200 - 500
Most of the pre and posts just have mental names to make you feel swoll!!!
Anabolic Aggro Grrrrr
Grenade - wage war on the love handles for a mere 30 euro
Or some shite along those lines  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Thanks for the replies.
I’d hate to loose the cardio, when the sweat is pissing outta ya and the tunes are pumping in the gym, you would think you’re back in Ibiza
I used the pre work out for tennis this evening, yeah it’s laced with caffeine but it ups your game.
I ordered the post workout stuff and will give it a try. |
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By *rkkidMan
over a year ago
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"Diet first and foremost. Then training plan, intensity and adequate. Followed by any supplemention that may be needed"
As above.
Supplements regarding pre/ post workout/ recovery for average person is rarely needed. A good diet and correct training routine will get the goals if the work is put in..
Cardio/ walking before breakfast(fasted).. Cardio is very important unless you're training to become world strongest man and cannot sacrifice the calories.. You and I fall into that 99% category so do Cardio!
As regarding bulking.. If you're overweight presently you're doing a good job already 
Don't waste your money on products that ingredients are near or more than 20% filler(most are, so search for the aka cleaner products at least)! If you do, take 1/2 the amount they suggest to experiment..
It ain't easy... And no money can buy it!
Only your time and effort!!
Fook... near 2am n I'm up at 6.... shite.. 
Enjoy the journey man!  |
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By *ajobMan
over a year ago
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Do your cardio on non resistance training days....a few hrs a week max at medium intensity....work your cardiovascular system....anyone says not to work your heart and lungs via cardio just so ya can(you can grow either way...healthier with some cardio)bulk up is wrong.....you just have to watch your calorie intake,eat good food you can sustain and weight yourself every week n ho from there...btw you can build muscle on a calorie deficit so maybe you should look into building as much muscle as possible while leaning out...more muscle to less fat means your body will be more efficient in expending calories...dont go and eat big to get big....very few ppl will lean out from doing this....take the slower more sustainable approach....work out your sustainable calories...increase your protein...eat all foods...fruit,veh,fish,meat,bread whatever....cut out the sweets n sugar.
Get on a plan...workout 2-5 days a week....do your fundamental compound lifts...pick 3-4 exercises for body parts....work hard n smart...try that for 3 months...warm up with 10min cardio..youll be grand |
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"I’m just looking for advice, are those pre, during and post workout supplements any good?
I used the TNT pre workout and some bang off it.
Or just keep going and do the workout and be a bit more patient?"
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Forget about all those over rated and expensive pre and post workout supplements that promise you'll be the size of Jay Cutler in no time 
...Instead stick with an extra few snacks or small meals each day to get those extra calories. A little supplementation is fine but don't go overboard on the stuff |
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"I’m just looking for advice, are those pre, during and post workout supplements any good?
I used the TNT pre workout and some bang off it.
Or just keep going and do the workout and be a bit more patient?"
peanut butter is great for bulking and cheap too |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I’m just looking for advice, are those pre, during and post workout supplements any good?
I used the TNT pre workout and some bang off it.
Or just keep going and do the workout and be a bit more patient?
peanut butter is great for bulking and cheap too "
Thanks but I hate the taste of. I’ve gone to the fridge and eaten a pack of sliced chicken with mayo. |
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Serious Mass by optimum nutrition with milk alongside 5-6 meals and snacks. Managed to put on 8kg of mainly muscle before while cycling to work everyday (albeit a relatively short distance) and training 5-6 times a week. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Yesterday I did a gym cardio class in the morning and then 2.5 hours of tennis in the evening. Same again today. I took the pre workout stuff on both evenings. I found it upped my game but can’t sleep afterwards. Too much caffeine.
Tomorrow morning, I’m going to do weights and will definitely need a kick start.
I’ve no ambition to keep on the pre workout indefinitely but playing tennis 7 or 8 hours per week plus 4 or 5 gym sessions a week is a lot. Need something for a boost. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Serious Mass by optimum nutrition with milk alongside 5-6 meals and snacks. Managed to put on 8kg of mainly muscle before while cycling to work everyday (albeit a relatively short distance) and training 5-6 times a week."
Is that post workout stuff? |
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Is that post workout stuff?"
Post workout. It's quite filling, especially with milk, so used take a half serving after brekkie and before lunch and then the other half serving post workout. I should say the 8kg was over a 9-10 week period. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Is that post workout stuff?
Post workout. It's quite filling, especially with milk, so used take a half serving after brekkie and before lunch and then the other half serving post workout. I should say the 8kg was over a 9-10 week period."
Was it all muscle? |
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Was it all muscle? "
The majority of it was. I was training quite hard at the time. Any fat or muscle you put on will be dependent on your overall level of exercise, you calorific surplus, metabolism but with any bulking programme you will put on at least a small bit of fat. That's why most people cycle through a bulking programme followed by a cutting cycle. |
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By *ajobMan
over a year ago
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"There's also a large groundswell of opinion that original body type, (mesomorph, endomorph, ectomorph) will determine the type of workout and macros that will work for you, so don't rely on the workout that works for your mate thinking it will also work for you"
Dont go by this nonsense....every single person has perventages of every body type in them...training down to this perception of body type is BS...get yourselves in a routine,on some kinda plan....train each body part twice a week,try and balance your foods as good as can be...dont try n live of chicken veg and rice...rice is just a filler with little to no benifits other than carbs....theres better options than rice thatll give you more nutritional benifits
I wouldnt advise anyone to bulk up without therebeing a specific reason...may it be to hit a certain weight for some type of weight catagory sport,other than that id say its best to get your body in a healthier state,as in drop the body fat,not add to it....itll take ppl alot longer to lose body fat than it doesto add it on....itll take months before you start seeing any changes,and thats being on point with very few slips....whatever your looking,think of you now and you at what your hoping for look wise...sonewhere in the middle is a good place to push for
Take the slow sustainable approach,eat smart choice foods..ie..low calorie high dense foods....you feel fuller and will be eating lower calories for the size of meals you eat no starving needed....get on a plan..may it be 2-÷ day a week full body or 4-6 splitswhere u will wirk your body parts atleast twice a week...put in your cardio for your health n well being...enjoy the journey and life...hope this helped |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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You know what, I couldn't be bothered debating on the internet this day. Scientific and medical journals back what I stated.
Op find what works for you and good luck with it |
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By *ajobMan
over a year ago
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"You know what, I couldn't be bothered debating on the internet this day. Scientific and medical journals back what I stated.
Op find what works for you and good luck with it"
Back what?that someone is 100% mesomorphe and so on....no such thing...theres traits in everyone....its a percentage factor...yes there is plenty of facts about this...its not bro science jargon....
But yes...OP get a PT to help you out |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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When bulking I lay off all other exercise and only train 3 days a week with plenty of rest, zinc and creatine. I can bulk incredibly in 4-6 weeks even at my age, my technique that works for me is strict progressive resistance, eating then follows naturally your body demands it , it’s effortless |
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Forgive me if I am totally clueless, but surely if you are looking to bulk up OP...concentrate on weights mostly and not 6hrs playing tennis???
Cardio should be your warmup but move onto the weights. I am far from an expert but that would be my thoughts. Alot of what people have replied to you on this thread makes perfect sense, esp surrounding diet etc.
Good luck with your body goals...on it myself!
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