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"Fuckin' unbelievable. What's the point of an election? I know Sinn Fein don't have the numbers but surely the winning party should automatically be part of a new formed government. stock up on the aul' vasaline everyone because we're about to get fucked big time." What did they win though | |||
"Don't know alot about politics but hear alot say they're glad SF are not in power " Honestly I don't think Sinn Fein would do a whole lot either but it's the fact that the people voted for FF and FG to be out and yet they can just decide that they won't work with the party who won the fuckin' election so they get to be the ones running the place again. Ridiculous. | |||
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"Fuckin' unbelievable. What's the point of an election? I know Sinn Fein don't have the numbers but surely the winning party should automatically be part of a new formed government. stock up on the aul' vasaline everyone because we're about to get fucked big time." Your only the winning party if you can form a government. If you can't then it's down to who can cut a deal. If SF had run more candidates some of the others would have been forced to work with them but as it was due to that error the other parties could afford to ignore them | |||
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"Fuckin' unbelievable. What's the point of an election? I know Sinn Fein don't have the numbers but surely the winning party should automatically be part of a new formed government. stock up on the aul' vasaline everyone because we're about to get fucked big time. Your only the winning party if you can form a government. If you can't then it's down to who can cut a deal. If SF had run more candidates some of the others would have been forced to work with them but as it was due to that error the other parties could afford to ignore them" Winning probably wasn't the best wording to use as I know you're right, but the fact that the rest of the parties can just refuse outright to work with the party that the people voted in is ridiculous. Just goes to show the respect FF and FG have for the Irish people. Again, what's the point in an election? | |||
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"Democracy is a strange thing! " Kent Brockman was spot on. "I've said it before and I'll say it again, democracy simply doesn't work"  | |||
"Democracy is a strange thing! Kent Brockman was spot on. "I've said it before and I'll say it again, democracy simply doesn't work" " | |||
"Winning probably wasn't the best wording to use as I know you're right, but the fact that the rest of the parties can just refuse outright to work with the party that the people voted in is ridiculous. Just goes to show the respect FF and FG have for the Irish people. Again, what's the point in an election?" But the majority of people did not vote SF in. SF, FF & FG were all more or less equal give or take a few seats so more people didn't vote for them than did | |||
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"Winning probably wasn't the best wording to use as I know you're right, but the fact that the rest of the parties can just refuse outright to work with the party that the people voted in is ridiculous. Just goes to show the respect FF and FG have for the Irish people. Again, what's the point in an election? But the majority of people did not vote SF in. SF, FF & FG were all more or less equal give or take a few seats so more people didn't vote for them than did" Had to go and check it out as I can't remember how the votes actually went. 50,000 more votes than FF and 70,000 more than FG plus 2% more first preference votes is a bit more than equal. I ain't arguing with you but SF had a significant lead. They won the majority vote. For better or worse, the fact that FF and FG can just decide they're gonna form a government not approved by the voters is a load of bollocks. Anyhow, it is what it is. Either way we're getting screwed over the next few years. | |||
"Winning probably wasn't the best wording to use as I know you're right, but the fact that the rest of the parties can just refuse outright to work with the party that the people voted in is ridiculous. Just goes to show the respect FF and FG have for the Irish people. Again, what's the point in an election? But the majority of people did not vote SF in. SF, FF & FG were all more or less equal give or take a few seats so more people didn't vote for them than did Had to go and check it out as I can't remember how the votes actually went. 50,000 more votes than FF and 70,000 more than FG plus 2% more first preference votes is a bit more than equal. I ain't arguing with you but SF had a significant lead. They won the majority vote. For better or worse, the fact that FF and FG can just decide they're gonna form a government not approved by the voters is a load of bollocks. Anyhow, it is what it is. Either way we're getting screwed over the next few years." SF didn’t win the majority vote That would mean they had 50% of those that voted plus 1 vote That said I wouldn’t mind seeing SF in government as they seem to have the answers for all our problems | |||
"Winning probably wasn't the best wording to use as I know you're right, but the fact that the rest of the parties can just refuse outright to work with the party that the people voted in is ridiculous. Just goes to show the respect FF and FG have for the Irish people. Again, what's the point in an election? But the majority of people did not vote SF in. SF, FF & FG were all more or less equal give or take a few seats so more people didn't vote for them than did Had to go and check it out as I can't remember how the votes actually went. 50,000 more votes than FF and 70,000 more than FG plus 2% more first preference votes is a bit more than equal. I ain't arguing with you but SF had a significant lead. They won the majority vote. For better or worse, the fact that FF and FG can just decide they're gonna form a government not approved by the voters is a load of bollocks. Anyhow, it is what it is. Either way we're getting screwed over the next few years." That's the problem with the majority of sinn fein voters, they haven't a clue how the political process works and end up voicing their opinions on facebook. If you want change which most people do, at least make an effort and dig a little deeper ffs  | |||
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"Oh dear, some of the problems with SF (and there are many) - they don't follow democratic process internally. They are fundamentally against democracy. They are run by dictate by a council (the IRA army council according to An Garda Siochana, PSNI and MI5) - the are opposed to special criminal courts which are designed to prevent witness intimidation for organized crime cases, presumably because this is a world they have links to - their fiscal policies include a wealth tax. This sounds great, but historically it means the rich move their money and the middle gets squeezed for every penny. Honestly besides sounding good, no socialist government anywhere has ever delivered on any promises of fairness or prosperity. So with all that in mind, it's not really any wonder no one wants to go into government with them." And that's just the tip of the iceberg | |||
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"... what do you think of it? " I think there will be a lot of empty promises and lots of austerity heaped on workers. Emigration will increase as usual | |||
"Oh dear, some of the problems with SF (and there are many) - they don't follow democratic process internally. They are fundamentally against democracy. They are run by dictate by a council (the IRA army council according to An Garda Siochana, PSNI and MI5) - the are opposed to special criminal courts which are designed to prevent witness intimidation for organized crime cases, presumably because this is a world they have links to - their fiscal policies include a wealth tax. This sounds great, but historically it means the rich move their money and the middle gets squeezed for every penny. Honestly besides sounding good, no socialist government anywhere has ever delivered on any promises of fairness or prosperity. So with all that in mind, it's not really any wonder no one wants to go into government with them." Your first point is incorrect. All SF policy is decided by its members by way of democratic votes at an annual Árd Fheis where all of its membership is represented, thereby making it one of the most democratic parties in Leinster House. Maybe you meant FG, given that they appointed a man as leader of the party who was only the second most popular with the membership when they voted on it. As for quoting MI5 as a legitimate opinion on Irish politics, well, I'm not sure why you'd do that, even as a joke 
As for the Gardaí/PSNI comments on the army council, that's not what they said. They actually, and remember it's the same individual you're talking about in both cases, said that a small number of unnamed former members of the IRA still believe that the army council still has influence over SF.
As for the special criminal court, again, I fear you're reading old newspapers. Only a couple of days ago SF did not vote against the extension of the offences against the state act which includes provision for the spc. This leaves the UN, Amnesty International and former president Mary Robinson as the main voices calling for it's dissolution.
SF's policy on the non jury court for the last number of years, since the defining Supreme Court case in 2016,has been that if an independent review into the workings of the court is conducted then they will accept its recommendations. The minister has now recommended that a review take place, hence SF did not vote against it. | |||
"Oh dear, some of the problems with SF (and there are many) - they don't follow democratic process internally. They are fundamentally against democracy. They are run by dictate by a council (the IRA army council according to An Garda Siochana, PSNI and MI5) - the are opposed to special criminal courts which are designed to prevent witness intimidation for organized crime cases, presumably because this is a world they have links to - their fiscal policies include a wealth tax. This sounds great, but historically it means the rich move their money and the middle gets squeezed for every penny. Honestly besides sounding good, no socialist government anywhere has ever delivered on any promises of fairness or prosperity. So with all that in mind, it's not really any wonder no one wants to go into government with them. Your first point is incorrect. All SF policy is decided by its members by way of democratic votes at an annual Árd Fheis where all of its membership is represented, thereby making it one of the most democratic parties in Leinster House. Maybe you meant FG, given that they appointed a man as leader of the party who was only the second most popular with the membership when they voted on it. As for quoting MI5 as a legitimate opinion on Irish politics, well, I'm not sure why you'd do that, even as a joke
As for the Gardaí/PSNI comments on the army council, that's not what they said. They actually, and remember it's the same individual you're talking about in both cases, said that a small number of unnamed former members of the IRA still believe that the army council still has influence over SF.
As for the special criminal court, again, I fear you're reading old newspapers. Only a couple of days ago SF did not vote against the extension of the offences against the state act which includes provision for the spc. This leaves the UN, Amnesty International and former president Mary Robinson as the main voices calling for it's dissolution.
SF's policy on the non jury court for the last number of years, since the defining Supreme Court case in 2016,has been that if an independent review into the workings of the court is conducted then they will accept its recommendations. The minister has now recommended that a review take place, hence SF did not vote against it. "The Garda commissioner explicitly linked SF and the Provisional Army Council because of course they are linked, according to the entire intelligence community. Mary Lou's response was a baffling "not that I'm aware" which is worth taking a moment to think about, coming from the party leader. All of which puts the lie to them being a democratic party, despite how it looks from the outside. But that's not the worst of it. Forget, even, about the jingoistic "Brits out" nonsense that even "Mary Lou" engages in. Far worse are the hard left fiscal policies for wealth redistribution that can't work, have never worked anywhere and will never work here. The net result will be genuine impoverishment, which were not really used to in this part of the world  | |||
"Democracy is a strange thing! " To keep it in the spirit of Fab, democracy is very much like your anus! You have to be very careful what you do with it! One wrong choice and it ends up a pain in the ass  ! | |||
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"Oh dear, some of the problems with SF (and there are many) - they don't follow democratic process internally. They are fundamentally against democracy. They are run by dictate by a council (the IRA army council according to An Garda Siochana, PSNI and MI5) - the are opposed to special criminal courts which are designed to prevent witness intimidation for organized crime cases, presumably because this is a world they have links to - their fiscal policies include a wealth tax. This sounds great, but historically it means the rich move their money and the middle gets squeezed for every penny. Honestly besides sounding good, no socialist government anywhere has ever delivered on any promises of fairness or prosperity. So with all that in mind, it's not really any wonder no one wants to go into government with them. Your first point is incorrect. All SF policy is decided by its members by way of democratic votes at an annual Árd Fheis where all of its membership is represented, thereby making it one of the most democratic parties in Leinster House. Maybe you meant FG, given that they appointed a man as leader of the party who was only the second most popular with the membership when they voted on it. As for quoting MI5 as a legitimate opinion on Irish politics, well, I'm not sure why you'd do that, even as a joke
As for the Gardaí/PSNI comments on the army council, that's not what they said. They actually, and remember it's the same individual you're talking about in both cases, said that a small number of unnamed former members of the IRA still believe that the army council still has influence over SF.
As for the special criminal court, again, I fear you're reading old newspapers. Only a couple of days ago SF did not vote against the extension of the offences against the state act which includes provision for the spc. This leaves the UN, Amnesty International and former president Mary Robinson as the main voices calling for it's dissolution.
SF's policy on the non jury court for the last number of years, since the defining Supreme Court case in 2016,has been that if an independent review into the workings of the court is conducted then they will accept its recommendations. The minister has now recommended that a review take place, hence SF did not vote against it.
The Garda commissioner explicitly linked SF and the Provisional Army Council because of course they are linked, according to the entire intelligence community. Mary Lou's response was a baffling "not that I'm aware" which is worth taking a moment to think about, coming from the party leader. All of which puts the lie to them being a democratic party, despite how it looks from the outside.
But that's not the worst of it. Forget, even, about the jingoistic "Brits out" nonsense that even "Mary Lou" engages in.
Far worse are the hard left fiscal policies for wealth redistribution that can't work, have never worked anywhere and will never work here. The net result will be genuine impoverishment, which were not really used to in this part of the world "Ah yes, because there's no impoverishment at the moment
You lost any possible credibility by telling us what MI5 think. I still can't quite get my head around that. | |||
"Oh dear, some of the problems with SF (and there are many) - they don't follow democratic process internally. They are fundamentally against democracy. They are run by dictate by a council (the IRA army council according to An Garda Siochana, PSNI and MI5) - the are opposed to special criminal courts which are designed to prevent witness intimidation for organized crime cases, presumably because this is a world they have links to - their fiscal policies include a wealth tax. This sounds great, but historically it means the rich move their money and the middle gets squeezed for every penny. Honestly besides sounding good, no socialist government anywhere has ever delivered on any promises of fairness or prosperity. So with all that in mind, it's not really any wonder no one wants to go into government with them. Your first point is incorrect. All SF policy is decided by its members by way of democratic votes at an annual Árd Fheis where all of its membership is represented, thereby making it one of the most democratic parties in Leinster House. Maybe you meant FG, given that they appointed a man as leader of the party who was only the second most popular with the membership when they voted on it. As for quoting MI5 as a legitimate opinion on Irish politics, well, I'm not sure why you'd do that, even as a joke
As for the Gardaí/PSNI comments on the army council, that's not what they said. They actually, and remember it's the same individual you're talking about in both cases, said that a small number of unnamed former members of the IRA still believe that the army council still has influence over SF.
As for the special criminal court, again, I fear you're reading old newspapers. Only a couple of days ago SF did not vote against the extension of the offences against the state act which includes provision for the spc. This leaves the UN, Amnesty International and former president Mary Robinson as the main voices calling for it's dissolution.
SF's policy on the non jury court for the last number of years, since the defining Supreme Court case in 2016,has been that if an independent review into the workings of the court is conducted then they will accept its recommendations. The minister has now recommended that a review take place, hence SF did not vote against it.
The Garda commissioner explicitly linked SF and the Provisional Army Council because of course they are linked, according to the entire intelligence community. Mary Lou's response was a baffling "not that I'm aware" which is worth taking a moment to think about, coming from the party leader. All of which puts the lie to them being a democratic party, despite how it looks from the outside.
But that's not the worst of it. Forget, even, about the jingoistic "Brits out" nonsense that even "Mary Lou" engages in.
Far worse are the hard left fiscal policies for wealth redistribution that can't work, have never worked anywhere and will never work here. The net result will be genuine impoverishment, which were not really used to in this part of the world
Ah yes, because there's no impoverishment at the moment
You lost any possible credibility by telling us what MI5 think. I still can't quite get my head around that. "Unfortunately you have to accept what mi5 say about, sinn fein as they have a large number of informers embedded in shin fein/ira at the highest level, | |||
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"Oh dear, some of the problems with SF (and there are many) - they don't follow democratic process internally. They are fundamentally against democracy. They are run by dictate by a council (the IRA army council according to An Garda Siochana, PSNI and MI5) - the are opposed to special criminal courts which are designed to prevent witness intimidation for organized crime cases, presumably because this is a world they have links to - their fiscal policies include a wealth tax. This sounds great, but historically it means the rich move their money and the middle gets squeezed for every penny. Honestly besides sounding good, no socialist government anywhere has ever delivered on any promises of fairness or prosperity. So with all that in mind, it's not really any wonder no one wants to go into government with them. Your first point is incorrect. All SF policy is decided by its members by way of democratic votes at an annual Árd Fheis where all of its membership is represented, thereby making it one of the most democratic parties in Leinster House. Maybe you meant FG, given that they appointed a man as leader of the party who was only the second most popular with the membership when they voted on it. As for quoting MI5 as a legitimate opinion on Irish politics, well, I'm not sure why you'd do that, even as a joke
As for the Gardaí/PSNI comments on the army council, that's not what they said. They actually, and remember it's the same individual you're talking about in both cases, said that a small number of unnamed former members of the IRA still believe that the army council still has influence over SF.
As for the special criminal court, again, I fear you're reading old newspapers. Only a couple of days ago SF did not vote against the extension of the offences against the state act which includes provision for the spc. This leaves the UN, Amnesty International and former president Mary Robinson as the main voices calling for it's dissolution.
SF's policy on the non jury court for the last number of years, since the defining Supreme Court case in 2016,has been that if an independent review into the workings of the court is conducted then they will accept its recommendations. The minister has now recommended that a review take place, hence SF did not vote against it.
The Garda commissioner explicitly linked SF and the Provisional Army Council because of course they are linked, according to the entire intelligence community. Mary Lou's response was a baffling "not that I'm aware" which is worth taking a moment to think about, coming from the party leader. All of which puts the lie to them being a democratic party, despite how it looks from the outside.
But that's not the worst of it. Forget, even, about the jingoistic "Brits out" nonsense that even "Mary Lou" engages in.
Far worse are the hard left fiscal policies for wealth redistribution that can't work, have never worked anywhere and will never work here. The net result will be genuine impoverishment, which were not really used to in this part of the world
Ah yes, because there's no impoverishment at the moment
You lost any possible credibility by telling us what MI5 think. I still can't quite get my head around that.
Unfortunately you have to accept what mi5 say about, sinn fein as they have a large number of informers embedded in shin fein/ira at the highest level,"No, I certainly don't have to accept the word of an organisation that was involved in the murder of Irish citizens during my lifetime. | |||
"... what do you think of it? " Kaizer could not give a continental fuck  | |||
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"Greens will destroy us." The greens will destroy themselves, first thing there will be a split in the greens with the hippie purest splitting from the party and setting up another "judean people's front party ", the ones in power will gling to there state cars and all the other trappings of power, until the bitter end, and the cute hoors from ff and fg will run rings around the greens taking all the credit for achievements and loading all the blame for failures onto the greens, | |||
"Greens will destroy us. The greens will destroy themselves, first thing there will be a split in the greens with the hippie purest splitting from the party and setting up another "judean people's front party ", the ones in power will gling to there state cars and all the other trappings of power, until the bitter end, and the cute hoors from ff and fg will run rings around the greens taking all the credit for achievements and loading all the blame for failures onto the greens, " Not a bad prophecy. History repeated | |||
"... what do you think of it? Kaizer could not give a continental fuck "There are two ground staff jobs going at anfield. Iets take the boat | |||
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"... what do you think of it? Kaizer could not give a continental fuck
There are two ground staff jobs going at anfield. Iets take the boat "Genius idea | |||
"Wouldn't mind meeting an FF but not so keen on an FG. It would depend on the goat. " | |||
"Maybe what Ireland needs is another few years of FF & FG! After another few years of the same shite the people will get fucked off enough to maybe consider a different approach. Of course SF aren't perfect but only when the threat of losing out is firmly on the table will the other parties listen to what the people really want." what exactly do the people want, likewise what is this magical "change" that I keep hearing about, enlighten me | |||
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"Oh dear, some of the problems with SF (and there are many) - they don't follow democratic process internally. They are fundamentally against democracy. They are run by dictate by a council (the IRA army council according to An Garda Siochana, PSNI and MI5) - the are opposed to special criminal courts which are designed to prevent witness intimidation for organized crime cases, presumably because this is a world they have links to - their fiscal policies include a wealth tax. This sounds great, but historically it means the rich move their money and the middle gets squeezed for every penny. Honestly besides sounding good, no socialist government anywhere has ever delivered on any promises of fairness or prosperity. So with all that in mind, it's not really any wonder no one wants to go into government with them. Your first point is incorrect. All SF policy is decided by its members by way of democratic votes at an annual Árd Fheis where all of its membership is represented, thereby making it one of the most democratic parties in Leinster House. Maybe you meant FG, given that they appointed a man as leader of the party who was only the second most popular with the membership when they voted on it. As for quoting MI5 as a legitimate opinion on Irish politics, well, I'm not sure why you'd do that, even as a joke
As for the Gardaí/PSNI comments on the army council, that's not what they said. They actually, and remember it's the same individual you're talking about in both cases, said that a small number of unnamed former members of the IRA still believe that the army council still has influence over SF.
As for the special criminal court, again, I fear you're reading old newspapers. Only a couple of days ago SF did not vote against the extension of the offences against the state act which includes provision for the spc. This leaves the UN, Amnesty International and former president Mary Robinson as the main voices calling for it's dissolution.
SF's policy on the non jury court for the last number of years, since the defining Supreme Court case in 2016,has been that if an independent review into the workings of the court is conducted then they will accept its recommendations. The minister has now recommended that a review take place, hence SF did not vote against it.
The Garda commissioner explicitly linked SF and the Provisional Army Council because of course they are linked, according to the entire intelligence community. Mary Lou's response was a baffling "not that I'm aware" which is worth taking a moment to think about, coming from the party leader. All of which puts the lie to them being a democratic party, despite how it looks from the outside.
But that's not the worst of it. Forget, even, about the jingoistic "Brits out" nonsense that even "Mary Lou" engages in.
Far worse are the hard left fiscal policies for wealth redistribution that can't work, have never worked anywhere and will never work here. The net result will be genuine impoverishment, which were not really used to in this part of the world
Ah yes, because there's no impoverishment at the moment
You lost any possible credibility by telling us what MI5 think. I still can't quite get my head around that.
Unfortunately you have to accept what mi5 say about, sinn fein as they have a large number of informers embedded in shin fein/ira at the highest level,
No, I certainly don't have to accept the word of an organisation that was involved in the murder of Irish citizens during my lifetime.
"Are you talking about MI5 or sinn Fein ira? And just because there is impoverishment now, doesn't mean it can't get much much worse | |||
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"Fuckin' unbelievable. What's the point of an election? I know Sinn Fein don't have the numbers but surely the winning party should automatically be part of a new formed government. stock up on the aul' vasaline everyone because we're about to get fucked big time." Cos they couldn't be arsed!!!!!!  | |||
"Sinn Fein haven't been heard from in the last 3mths. They would have crapped their pants if they had to deal with the CV 19 scenario that went on and thank God we had FG looking after the country and doing the right thing Jesus I hate to think what would have happened if SF were in government! "#MOTHERFUCKINFACT | |||
"Sinn Fein haven't been heard from in the last 3mths. They would have crapped their pants if they had to deal with the CV 19 scenario that went on and thank God we had FG looking after the country and doing the right thing Jesus I hate to think what would have happened if SF were in government!
#MOTHERFUCKINFACT"It's almost as if the Dáil and normal politics wasn't actually cancelled!
On the issue of FG doing such a fantastic job, how did we end up with the highest infection rate among medical practitioners in the world?
Also, in a per capita basis, we're one of the worst affected countries in the world. Now, even allowing for a difference in reporting, we're certainly in the bottom half rather than the top half.
SF would certainly have introduced the travel restrictions earlier than we did since they were calling for a lockdown for quite a while before FG responded. | |||
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"... what do you think of it? " Just another day in the life really altho SF was a bit hard done by but what do I know lol | |||
"Does nobody think it strange there are discussions on bring back the special criminsl courts and the offences against the state act just before the new sham government is formed " The extension to the offences against the state act has to be voted on every year around this time. | |||
"Does nobody think it strange there are discussions on bring back the special criminsl courts and the offences against the state act just before the new sham government is formed " I just think its strange that people think its a sham government We the people vote for our TDS and they vote in the government Whats the sham bit | |||
"Does nobody think it strange there are discussions on bring back the special criminsl courts and the offences against the state act just before the new sham government is formed I just think its strange that people think its a sham government We the people vote for our TDS and they vote in the government Whats the sham bit " I think it's a bit of a sham that a man who was elected on the 6th count is still the leader of his own party... Never mind country | |||
"Does nobody think it strange there are discussions on bring back the special criminsl courts and the offences against the state act just before the new sham government is formed I just think its strange that people think its a sham government We the people vote for our TDS and they vote in the government Whats the sham bit I think it's a bit of a sham that a man who was elected on the 6th count is still the leader of his own party... Never mind country "And the only member of that party that topped the pole on first count does not get a minsteral position???? | |||
"Does nobody think it strange there are discussions on bring back the special criminsl courts and the offences against the state act just before the new sham government is formed I just think its strange that people think its a sham government We the people vote for our TDS and they vote in the government Whats the sham bit I think it's a bit of a sham that a man who was elected on the 6th count is still the leader of his own party... Never mind country "But that's the way our democracy works Mary lou was elected in 7th in 2011 and she's the leader of a party. Once you're elected at all then you're in doesn't matter on what count. FF also did vote management to split the vote in cork to get more elected | |||
"Does nobody think it strange there are discussions on bring back the special criminsl courts and the offences against the state act just before the new sham government is formed I just think its strange that people think its a sham government We the people vote for our TDS and they vote in the government Whats the sham bit I think it's a bit of a sham that a man who was elected on the 6th count is still the leader of his own party... Never mind country
But that's the way our democracy works
Mary lou was elected in 7th in 2011 and she's the leader of a party.
Once you're elected at all then you're in doesn't matter on what count.
FF also did vote management to split the vote in cork to get more elected
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"Does nobody think it strange there are discussions on bring back the special criminsl courts and the offences against the state act just before the new sham government is formed I just think its strange that people think its a sham government We the people vote for our TDS and they vote in the government Whats the sham bit " Only the corrupt will benefit from corrupt parties as we well know the same parties who bankruptied the country and protected those involved from prosecution | |||
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"Jesus what a pack of clowns in this country, i thought the tans with there bojo Brexit nationalism fascist were the pits, but when I read the brainless contributions above, fuck, how thick can you get, god help Ireland when the brainless brits are making more sense than you selfish dole merchants " tell us how you really feel,cmon use your words | |||
"Sinn Fein haven't been heard from in the last 3mths. They would have crapped their pants if they had to deal with the CV 19 scenario that went on and thank God we had FG looking after the country and doing the right thing Jesus I hate to think what would have happened if SF were in government! "I feel your fear but I’m in Belfast and have watched as SF and big Arlene shit themselves and are unable to run 6 counties! They haven’t helped anyone and can’t come to a decision by themselves. They are happy to line their own pockets though. The public had to make the decision to close schools in March as people just kept their kids at home. Completely unable to run anything without direction from England, who were just as bad if not worse. | |||
"I don’t understand why yez are all so upset, FG and FF have more or less been in Government for the past number of years... why do you think this will be any different, worse or better ?" 'More or less for the past number of years' .... since the foundation of the Republic 98 years to be precise. The chances it gets better with the same crooked bunch in place are zero. After the crash, bankruptcy and austerity I thought it couldn't get worse, the only way is up. But now we've covid-19, the consequences and the economic damage are still unfolding and it is scary when you project how the gravy train-ers handle this one. There's absolutely nothing new or innovative in that ff-fg-Green programme, same old bs plus a higher carbon tax thanks to the greens. | |||
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"It's a bit difficult to discuss SF in power when there's people on here that lived through a completely difference experience of growing up in Ireland than I did. However just based on the political situation in the south I'll make the following point I don't agree with SF on any of their ideology or support for The IRA However I understand that one day more than likely they will be in government as part of at least a coalition To get my vote they'll have to change policies and they'll also have to to compromise to agree a programme for government. I used to always vote FF until my 30's and FG since and although I have no time for FF after what they did to the country you have to wish them the best as they are the elected government that the people voted in. If SF ever get in I'll also want them to do what's best for the country " Exactly what parts of SFs ideology and policies do you not support? | |||
" If SF ever get in I'll also want them to do what's best for the country. " Imagine, just imagine that one for a second, imagine FF and FG did what's best for the country in the last 98 years....  | |||
" If SF ever get in I'll also want them to do what's best for the country. Imagine, just imagine that one for a second, imagine FF and FG did what's best for the country in the last 98 years.... "... as opposed to what's best for their parties, cronies and of course to fill their pockets. | |||
" If SF ever get in I'll also want them to do what's best for the country. Imagine, just imagine that one for a second, imagine FF and FG did what's best for the country in the last 98 years....
... as opposed to what's best for their parties, cronies and of course to fill their pockets. "Agree with you but then we also got back handers from the government.. One year we voted in FF when they promised us 25 % of our savings as a free top up Myself and thousands like me got back €45,000 after 4 years . | |||
" If SF ever get in I'll also want them to do what's best for the country. Imagine, just imagine that one for a second, imagine FF and FG did what's best for the country in the last 98 years....
... as opposed to what's best for their parties, cronies and of course to fill their pockets. "Completely agree. Politics on all of this island is a joke. Irish government historically as corrupt as anywhere in Europe. Meanwhile be as bigoted as you wish, align yourself with either extremist party in the North and you've got a seat at the table. Sad. | |||
" If SF ever get in I'll also want them to do what's best for the country. Imagine, just imagine that one for a second, imagine FF and FG did what's best for the country in the last 98 years.... "I'm not saying its all sweetness and light here but we're a lot better off than some other countries in fairness The old ways have to change ...FF and FG will eventually reunite as a single party or else FF will become like the Labour party ...totally irrelevant. There's a huge amount of ordinary citizens that were doing well before the pandemic and also a huge amount that weren't so thats the challenge for any government | |||
" If SF ever get in I'll also want them to do what's best for the country. Imagine, just imagine that one for a second, imagine FF and FG did what's best for the country in the last 98 years....
I'm not saying its all sweetness and light here but we're a lot better off than some other countries in fairness
The old ways have to change ...FF and FG will eventually reunite as a single party or else FF will become like the Labour party ...totally irrelevant.
There's a huge amount of ordinary citizens that were doing well before the pandemic and also a huge amount that weren't so thats the challenge for any government "I'd start with your health service. It's a mess. | |||
" I'm not saying its all sweetness and light here but we're a lot better off than some other countries in fairness The old ways have to change ...FF and FG will eventually reunite as a single party or else FF will become like the Labour party ...totally irrelevant. There's a huge amount of ordinary citizens that were doing well before the pandemic and also a huge amount that weren't so thats the challenge for any government " "The old ways have to change"?? You mean by not voting for them, maybe voting for someone different with a different ideology and policies you mean? "FF and FG will eventually have to reunite"?? When were they last united, what are you talking about? So what ideology and policies of SF dont you agree with? Or are you just going to ignore a question you cant answer because you havnt a clue what your talking about? (Waits for him to spout some shite about the RA!) | |||
" Exactly what parts of SFs ideology and policies do you not support? " Nearly all of it to be honest I was in Adare in June 96 about 300m away from were Det.Jerry McCabe was murdered by The IRA These men are still seen as hero's by the leadership of SF and that is one of the reasons they dont have my vote The arrogance of SF is incredible Yesterday Micheál Martin was elected as Taoiseach of Ireland His family couldn't come to Dublin to see what is the biggest moment of his political career because of travel restrictions Michelle O Neill walked in the convention center with Mary Lou breaking every restriction in the book and she's not an elected member of our parlimemt If it was anyone else SF would have gone balastic. They also tried to get a racist misogynistic member elected as The mayor of South Dublin County on Friday. SF announced yesterday that they are the official leader of the opposition in The Dail...a position that exists in The UK Parliament and not here. This is just the type of stuff that they'll scream blue murder if anyone else tries it but in reality they can be just as bad as the others I'm glad that they are not in government at the moment and hope that they will change before they ever are | |||
" If SF ever get in I'll also want them to do what's best for the country. Imagine, just imagine that one for a second, imagine FF and FG did what's best for the country in the last 98 years....
I'm not saying its all sweetness and light here but we're a lot better off than some other countries in fairness
The old ways have to change ...FF and FG will eventually reunite as a single party or else FF will become like the Labour party ...totally irrelevant.
There's a huge amount of ordinary citizens that were doing well before the pandemic and also a huge amount that weren't so thats the challenge for any government
I'd start with your health service.
It's a mess. "Very true even before the pandemic hit it was crap Too many managers for a start and not enough frontline staff and yet spending in The HSE was the highest ever last year I think | |||
" Exactly what parts of SFs ideology and policies do you not support? Nearly all of it to be honest I was in Adare in June 96 about 300m away from were Det.Jerry McCabe was murdered by The IRA These men are still seen as hero's by the leadership of SF and that is one of the reasons they dont have my vote The arrogance of SF is incredible Yesterday Micheál Martin was elected as Taoiseach of Ireland His family couldn't come to Dublin to see what is the biggest moment of his political career because of travel restrictions Michelle O Neill walked in the convention center with Mary Lou breaking every restriction in the book and she's not an elected member of our parlimemt If it was anyone else SF would have gone balastic. They also tried to get a racist misogynistic member elected as The mayor of South Dublin County on Friday. SF announced yesterday that they are the official leader of the opposition in The Dail...a position that exists in The UK Parliament and not here. This is just the type of stuff that they'll scream blue murder if anyone else tries it but in reality they can be just as bad as the others I'm glad that they are not in government at the moment and hope that they will change before they ever are " So you cant tell me the parts of their ideology or policies you dint like, because you havnt got a clue what they are. You spout sime shite about the RA as was expected get over yourself, both FG and FF formed from the same violence, your the definition of a hypocrite.
Micheal Martin only managed to be elected after the 8th count, in o other country in the world would a person who gets in on the 8th count be allowed be leader of a country. He is a liar, going back on his promises to his own electorate just so he can taste more power, what a disgusting human being....and you support that??? That says a lot about you.
Was Mary Lou breaking any laws or travel restrictions by attending this meeting? I mean she got in on the first vote and got far more votes than Mehole so I think she had more of a right to be there than he did, it's very arrogant of you to think otherwise.
They are a real opposition, a legitimate claim. FF have being saying it falsely for years, were you giving out about them too...or is that just you being a hypocrite again??
You are the problem with this country, uneducated, selfish hypocrites who havnt a feckin notion.
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" I'm not saying its all sweetness and light here but we're a lot better off than some other countries in fairness The old ways have to change ...FF and FG will eventually reunite as a single party or else FF will become like the Labour party ...totally irrelevant. There's a huge amount of ordinary citizens that were doing well before the pandemic and also a huge amount that weren't so thats the challenge for any government "The old ways have to change"?? You mean by not voting for them, maybe voting for someone different with a different ideology and policies you mean? "FF and FG will eventually have to reunite"?? When were they last united, what are you talking about? So what ideology and policies of SF dont you agree with? Or are you just going to ignore a question you cant answer because you havnt a clue what your talking about? (Waits for him to spout some shite about the RA!) "Look at the very calibre of their politicians and some of the controversial things they have gone on record saying. I'm a Nationalist and I can not stand the sight or sound of that publicity seeking whore Michelle O'Neill. She has behaved appallingly in a self serving manner throughout this covid crisis. Not fit to govern. | |||
" If SF ever get in I'll also want them to do what's best for the country. Imagine, just imagine that one for a second, imagine FF and FG did what's best for the country in the last 98 years....
I'm not saying its all sweetness and light here but we're a lot better off than some other countries in fairness
The old ways have to change ...FF and FG will eventually reunite as a single party or else FF will become like the Labour party ...totally irrelevant.
There's a huge amount of ordinary citizens that were doing well before the pandemic and also a huge amount that weren't so thats the challenge for any government
I'd start with your health service.
It's a mess.
Very true even before the pandemic hit it was crap
Too many managers for a start and not enough frontline staff and yet spending in The HSE was the highest ever last year I think "Seriously?? It's a feckin mess because FG and FF have been defunding it for years so it can be privatised...and you support them??? You are literally contradicting yourself with every word you type. Stop making a fool of yourself. | |||
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" I'm not saying its all sweetness and light here but we're a lot better off than some other countries in fairness The old ways have to change ...FF and FG will eventually reunite as a single party or else FF will become like the Labour party ...totally irrelevant. There's a huge amount of ordinary citizens that were doing well before the pandemic and also a huge amount that weren't so thats the challenge for any government "The old ways have to change"?? You mean by not voting for them, maybe voting for someone different with a different ideology and policies you mean? "FF and FG will eventually have to reunite"?? When were they last united, what are you talking about? So what ideology and policies of SF dont you agree with? Or are you just going to ignore a question you cant answer because you havnt a clue what your talking about? (Waits for him to spout some shite about the RA!)
Look at the very calibre of their politicians and some of the controversial things they have gone on record saying.
I'm a Nationalist and I can not stand the sight or sound of that publicity seeking whore Michelle O'Neill. She has behaved appallingly in a self serving manner throughout this covid crisis. Not fit to govern. "And you think FG and FF are not self serving, or ha e ot used covid for their own gain?? Stop, please, stop!  | |||
" If SF ever get in I'll also want them to do what's best for the country. Imagine, just imagine that one for a second, imagine FF and FG did what's best for the country in the last 98 years....
... as opposed to what's best for their parties, cronies and of course to fill their pockets.
Agree with you but then we also got back handers from the government..
One year we voted in FF when they promised us 25 % of our savings as a free top up
Myself and thousands like me got back €45,000 after 4 years .
"And when was that??? The bones of 20 years ago?? Is that the only example?? Yes lots of people have done well before the pandemic.. But alot more are doing worse than any time in our history. The health and housing crisis is a fucking disgrace..How do u know sf will be bad? Have u ever seen them in government when Westminster are not calling the shots? If u are going by their history or because they might have skeletons in their closet ff and fg have as many if not more. 1 day after sneaking in and already u can see it. Rural Ireland is fucked. Not one minister west of the Shannon but Dublin south has 9 Good bye M20 motorway hello 2 euro a litre of fuel and 1000 euro every 6 months car tax. Shur when u have a outgoing health minister that had a vote of no confidence and not only should have been fired but should be in fucking jail for the children's hospital alone, getting moved to minister for higher education, even tho he dropped out of college. An out going Taoiseach that thinks its appropriate to be dropping mean girls quotes into his national speech as a bet. Who is now minister for employment. Nurses, teachers and transport workers all went on strike in the last 3 years under his party...And an incoming taoiseach that built his party's whole campaign on "the people want change and fg out" only to turn around and do the complete opposite..This is also the same guy who was minister for health that started the HSE...This was the chance to scrap it and go back to a single tier health system. But no. Still paying the boyos 115 million a month to rent their private hospitals but not use them..it's a total and utter farce. Lies lies and more lies. Buuuuuut as usual it will be left happen. Its crazy that people will take to the streets in thousands over being charged for water but let this kinda back handed politics fly. God I miss the celtic tiger days when i had a boat and a plane and 6 holidays a year... or isnt that what was meant to have happened?? I seen no celtic tiger. Same as 90% of the country. We all had to suffer and pay it back though when it all came crashing down. We are still feeling the pain of that.. And they are about to bring us into another 10 years of austerity. Only this time there is nowhere for people to emigrate too.
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" Exactly what parts of SFs ideology and policies do you not support? Nearly all of it to be honest I was in Adare in June 96 about 300m away from were Det.Jerry McCabe was murdered by The IRA These men are still seen as hero's by the leadership of SF and that is one of the reasons they dont have my vote The arrogance of SF is incredible Yesterday Micheál Martin was elected as Taoiseach of Ireland His family couldn't come to Dublin to see what is the biggest moment of his political career because of travel restrictions Michelle O Neill walked in the convention center with Mary Lou breaking every restriction in the book and she's not an elected member of our parlimemt If it was anyone else SF would have gone balastic. They also tried to get a racist misogynistic member elected as The mayor of South Dublin County on Friday. SF announced yesterday that they are the official leader of the opposition in The Dail...a position that exists in The UK Parliament and not here. This is just the type of stuff that they'll scream blue murder if anyone else tries it but in reality they can be just as bad as the others I'm glad that they are not in government at the moment and hope that they will change before they ever are So you cant tell me the parts of their ideology or policies you dint like, because you havnt got a clue what they are. You spout sime shite about the RA as was expected get over yourself, both FG and FF formed from the same violence, your the definition of a hypocrite.
Micheal Martin only managed to be elected after the 8th count, in o other country in the world would a person who gets in on the 8th count be allowed be leader of a country. He is a liar, going back on his promises to his own electorate just so he can taste more power, what a disgusting human being....and you support that??? That says a lot about you.
Was Mary Lou breaking any laws or travel restrictions by attending this meeting? I mean she got in on the first vote and got far more votes than Mehole so I think she had more of a right to be there than he did, it's very arrogant of you to think otherwise.
They are a real opposition, a legitimate claim. FF have being saying it falsely for years, were you giving out about them too...or is that just you being a hypocrite again??
You are the problem with this country, uneducated, selfish hypocrites who havnt a feckin notion.
"And yet you didnt read what I wrote and just went on a rant I'm not going to make anything personal...you know nothing about me and I know nothing about you its a discussion about politics thats all. I never questioned the right of MLOD to be at the convention center but I did question the right of Michelle O Neill to be there...why was she breaking the law..she's unelected in our Dail I only mentioned The IRA because I was there and it effected me Mary Lou was elected on the 7th count in 2011 does that mean she should not be the leader of SF now or a future government | |||
" If SF ever get in I'll also want them to do what's best for the country. Imagine, just imagine that one for a second, imagine FF and FG did what's best for the country in the last 98 years....
... as opposed to what's best for their parties, cronies and of course to fill their pockets.
Agree with you but then we also got back handers from the government..
One year we voted in FF when they promised us 25 % of our savings as a free top up
Myself and thousands like me got back €45,000 after 4 years .
And when was that??? The bones of 20 years ago?? Is that the only example?? Yes lots of people have done well before the pandemic.. But alot more are doing worse than any time in our history. The health and housing crisis is a fucking disgrace..How do u know sf will be bad? Have u ever seen them in government when Westminster are not calling the shots? If u are going by their history or because they might have skeletons in their closet ff and fg have as many if not more. 1 day after sneaking in and already u can see it. Rural Ireland is fucked. Not one minister west of the Shannon but Dublin south has 9 Good bye M20 motorway hello 2 euro a litre of fuel and 1000 euro every 6 months car tax. Shur when u have a outgoing health minister that had a vote of no confidence and not only should have been fired but should be in fucking jail for the children's hospital alone, getting moved to minister for higher education, even tho he dropped out of college. An out going Taoiseach that thinks its appropriate to be dropping mean girls quotes into his national speech as a bet. Who is now minister for employment. Nurses, teachers and transport workers all went on strike in the last 3 years under his party...And an incoming taoiseach that built his party's whole campaign on "the people want change and fg out" only to turn around and do the complete opposite..This is also the same guy who was minister for health that started the HSE...This was the chance to scrap it and go back to a single tier health system. But no. Still paying the boyos 115 million a month to rent their private hospitals but not use them..it's a total and utter farce. Lies lies and more lies. Buuuuuut as usual it will be left happen. Its crazy that people will take to the streets in thousands over being charged for water but let this kinda back handed politics fly. God I miss the celtic tiger days when i had a boat and a plane and 6 holidays a year... or isnt that what was meant to have happened?? I seen no celtic tiger. Same as 90% of the country. We all had to suffer and pay it back though when it all came crashing down. We are still feeling the pain of that.. And they are about to bring us into another 10 years of austerity. Only this time there is nowhere for people to emigrate too.
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" Exactly what parts of SFs ideology and policies do you not support? Nearly all of it to be honest I was in Adare in June 96 about 300m away from were Det.Jerry McCabe was murdered by The IRA These men are still seen as hero's by the leadership of SF and that is one of the reasons they dont have my vote The arrogance of SF is incredible Yesterday Micheál Martin was elected as Taoiseach of Ireland His family couldn't come to Dublin to see what is the biggest moment of his political career because of travel restrictions Michelle O Neill walked in the convention center with Mary Lou breaking every restriction in the book and she's not an elected member of our parlimemt If it was anyone else SF would have gone balastic. They also tried to get a racist misogynistic member elected as The mayor of South Dublin County on Friday. SF announced yesterday that they are the official leader of the opposition in The Dail...a position that exists in The UK Parliament and not here. This is just the type of stuff that they'll scream blue murder if anyone else tries it but in reality they can be just as bad as the others I'm glad that they are not in government at the moment and hope that they will change before they ever are " You haven't mention one policy you don't agree with. The stuff you mentioned there has nothing to do with their party programme. It's just personal animosities and dislike. Can you imagine how long my list of FF/FG dislikes is? Anyway let's not go there, it's ok to have different political opinions, but it would be nice to discuss party politics rather than sentiments. | |||
"Sinn Fein haven't been heard from in the last 3mths. They would have crapped their pants if they had to deal with the CV 19 scenario that went on and thank God we had FG looking after the country and doing the right thing Jesus I hate to think what would have happened if SF were in government! "Sinn Fein have been saying plenty this past 3 months, RTE as state broadcaster and main stream media have not been carrying most of it. A quick google search will confirm this. RTE cannot be permitted to disenfranchise 27% of the electorate | |||
" Exactly what parts of SFs ideology and policies do you not support? Nearly all of it to be honest I was in Adare in June 96 about 300m away from were Det.Jerry McCabe was murdered by The IRA These men are still seen as hero's by the leadership of SF and that is one of the reasons they dont have my vote The arrogance of SF is incredible Yesterday Micheál Martin was elected as Taoiseach of Ireland His family couldn't come to Dublin to see what is the biggest moment of his political career because of travel restrictions Michelle O Neill walked in the convention center with Mary Lou breaking every restriction in the book and she's not an elected member of our parlimemt If it was anyone else SF would have gone balastic. They also tried to get a racist misogynistic member elected as The mayor of South Dublin County on Friday. SF announced yesterday that they are the official leader of the opposition in The Dail...a position that exists in The UK Parliament and not here. This is just the type of stuff that they'll scream blue murder if anyone else tries it but in reality they can be just as bad as the others I'm glad that they are not in government at the moment and hope that they will change before they ever are So you cant tell me the parts of their ideology or policies you dint like, because you havnt got a clue what they are. You spout sime shite about the RA as was expected get over yourself, both FG and FF formed from the same violence, your the definition of a hypocrite.
Micheal Martin only managed to be elected after the 8th count, in o other country in the world would a person who gets in on the 8th count be allowed be leader of a country. He is a liar, going back on his promises to his own electorate just so he can taste more power, what a disgusting human being....and you support that??? That says a lot about you.
Was Mary Lou breaking any laws or travel restrictions by attending this meeting? I mean she got in on the first vote and got far more votes than Mehole so I think she had more of a right to be there than he did, it's very arrogant of you to think otherwise.
They are a real opposition, a legitimate claim. FF have being saying it falsely for years, were you giving out about them too...or is that just you being a hypocrite again??
You are the problem with this country, uneducated, selfish hypocrites who havnt a feckin notion.
And yet you didnt read what I wrote and just went on a rant
I'm not going to make anything personal...you know nothing about me and I know nothing about you its a discussion about politics thats all.
I never questioned the right of MLOD to be at the convention center but I did question the right of Michelle O Neill to be there...why was she breaking the law..she's unelected in our Dail
I only mentioned The IRA because I was there and it effected me
Mary Lou was elected on the 7th count in 2011 does that mean she should not be the leader of SF now or a future government
"What law was she breaking?? She lives in the North. She can go where she wants. Shur anybody that's not living in the Republic can. It's only people living here that cant leave their own county or go more than 20km | |||
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" Exactly what parts of SFs ideology and policies do you not support? Nearly all of it to be honest I was in Adare in June 96 about 300m away from were Det.Jerry McCabe was murdered by The IRA These men are still seen as hero's by the leadership of SF and that is one of the reasons they dont have my vote The arrogance of SF is incredible Yesterday Micheál Martin was elected as Taoiseach of Ireland His family couldn't come to Dublin to see what is the biggest moment of his political career because of travel restrictions Michelle O Neill walked in the convention center with Mary Lou breaking every restriction in the book and she's not an elected member of our parlimemt If it was anyone else SF would have gone balastic. They also tried to get a racist misogynistic member elected as The mayor of South Dublin County on Friday. SF announced yesterday that they are the official leader of the opposition in The Dail...a position that exists in The UK Parliament and not here. This is just the type of stuff that they'll scream blue murder if anyone else tries it but in reality they can be just as bad as the others I'm glad that they are not in government at the moment and hope that they will change before they ever are So you cant tell me the parts of their ideology or policies you dint like, because you havnt got a clue what they are. You spout sime shite about the RA as was expected get over yourself, both FG and FF formed from the same violence, your the definition of a hypocrite.
Micheal Martin only managed to be elected after the 8th count, in o other country in the world would a person who gets in on the 8th count be allowed be leader of a country. He is a liar, going back on his promises to his own electorate just so he can taste more power, what a disgusting human being....and you support that??? That says a lot about you.
Was Mary Lou breaking any laws or travel restrictions by attending this meeting? I mean she got in on the first vote and got far more votes than Mehole so I think she had more of a right to be there than he did, it's very arrogant of you to think otherwise.
They are a real opposition, a legitimate claim. FF have being saying it falsely for years, were you giving out about them too...or is that just you being a hypocrite again??
You are the problem with this country, uneducated, selfish hypocrites who havnt a feckin notion.
And yet you didnt read what I wrote and just went on a rant
I'm not going to make anything personal...you know nothing about me and I know nothing about you its a discussion about politics thats all.
I never questioned the right of MLOD to be at the convention center but I did question the right of Michelle O Neill to be there...why was she breaking the law..she's unelected in our Dail
I only mentioned The IRA because I was there and it effected me
Mary Lou was elected on the 7th count in 2011 does that mean she should not be the leader of SF now or a future government
"I didnt go on a rant, I asked you specific questions? It's not a discussion if you dont answer questions, so for the third time, what policies and ideology of SF do you not agree with? You cant seem to tell me! Why was veradkar backing cans in the park, not social distancing when the leader of a country during pandemic? But your more concerned with a person attending a meeting?? So what if it effected you, what has that got to do with this new government?? Nothing! No it doesn't, that was 2011, she was elected on first count in 2020, that's all that matters. So, what were those policies and ideology you didnt agree with again? | |||
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"Ok the thread is going away from the initial question but you asked Their policy on carbon tax...not to increase it Why not Their policy on people earning over €140,000 per year is an extra 5 % tax on them. I believe people should pay a water charge and the government made a balls of it.A separate charge that encourages people not to waste it.(Im not talking about some old bill where its included with motor tax ) What percentage of people pay for private water schemes anyway SF must be the only left wing party in the world that wants to abolish private property tax...why " Of course people should pay a water tax but in typical corrupt Ireland it would be turned into a money making scheme. Like speed Van's and direct provision centres. Or anything else they can make easy money out off. They wasted how many millions on consultant fee's for Irosh water again?? And maybe they want to abolish private property tax because Ireland has one of the most severe inheritance tax regimes in the world? Wonder which party brought that it??? | |||
"Also wondering since a few people from Northern Ireland are on here ... Is the situation up there any better than here Whats the homeless situation like,the health service These are the things that most people complain about here so do SF make a difference when they are in a power sharing arrangement " Your ignorance is fascinating! The situation is far better than it was thanks to SF. You dont have catholic refugees crossing the border anymore. They dont have a sectarian police force anymore (well, getting there anyway), they have equality with regards to housing, employment and education. A far more equal society, which is good, right? | |||
"Also wondering since a few people from Northern Ireland are on here ... Is the situation up there any better than here Whats the homeless situation like,the health service These are the things that most people complain about here so do SF make a difference when they are in a power sharing arrangement Your ignorance is fascinating! The situation is far better than it was thanks to SF. You dont have catholic refugees crossing the border anymore. They dont have a sectarian police force anymore (well, getting there anyway), they have equality with regards to housing, employment and education. A far more equal society, which is good, right? " Yes an equal society is good but you left out womens health rights which are still backward According to newspapers I've read ( I know fake news ) the homeless situation in NI as a percentage of population is worse than here as are the hospital waiting lists. That's why I wanted someone from NI to comment to hear what they say about it. You know so that I learn the truth so Im not ignorant like | |||
"Also wondering since a few people from Northern Ireland are on here ... Is the situation up there any better than here Whats the homeless situation like,the health service These are the things that most people complain about here so do SF make a difference when they are in a power sharing arrangement Your ignorance is fascinating! The situation is far better than it was thanks to SF. You dont have catholic refugees crossing the border anymore. They dont have a sectarian police force anymore (well, getting there anyway), they have equality with regards to housing, employment and education. A far more equal society, which is good, right? " Absolutely none of that can be attributed to SF. Absolute tripe. Perhaps the SDLP in their day but also the fact that this is 2020 and we are a first world country, regardless of any politics. Seriously, listen to yourself. If you wish to pick a scenario and assess how SF have performed let's pick the only recent benchmark we have... Covid. Michelle oneill and SF have constantly broken rank and gone public with misguided information and nothing to back it up, absolute nonsense since the beginning of Covid. Supposedly elected as deputy minister but in the self serving manner in which she acts took every opportunity to break rank and to go public first and with often conflicting to the assembly's advice. This is a woman whos contribution as health minister was nothing more than to literally regurgitate and plagerise word for word an independent enquiry into our local health service and produce an act that it so unrealistic it is embarassing. But she hasn't even the wit to realise it. She is an embarassment as a leader given what she has been quoted as saying in the past. There are statues being ripped down all over the world of people who have said less controversial things and certainly not in support of terrorism. This is the hallmark of SF, undermine everyone and everything but talk is cheap, put big talkers like Conor Murphy in as finance minister and watch him prove himself inept. I say this as a nationalist and as an informed healthcare worker. Politics here stinks when all it takes is being a bigot to get a seat at the table. | |||
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"Great article in the Irish Times "Storey funeral a reminder that IRA army council runs Sinn Féin" For anyone who still wonders why no one wants to deal with sf" Just think they can do as they please. One rule for them and another for everyone else as we see out deputy first minister rubbing everyone who has lost someone to Covids face in it. These people are common criminals, the end! | |||
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"Great article in the Irish Times "Storey funeral a reminder that IRA army council runs Sinn Féin" For anyone who still wonders why no one wants to deal with sf" The establishment dont want to deal with SF because they have different ideals, the electorate clearly does though. Funny how people think it is okay for for us to have streets, buildings and statues commemorating Republicans, FF can be called the Republican party, and FG carry cardboard cut outs of Micheal Collins for photo ops, and both parties were formed by Republican rebels...but it's not okay for SF to attend a funeral for a man who spent his life fighting for the very same reasons...no double standards there at all!! | |||
"Great article in the Irish Times "Storey funeral a reminder that IRA army council runs Sinn Féin" For anyone who still wonders why no one wants to deal with sf Just think they can do as they please. One rule for them and another for everyone else as we see out deputy first minister rubbing everyone who has lost someone to Covids face in it. These people are common criminals, the end! " No criticism for the thousands, including leo, Harris and so on, who stood shoulder to shoulder in doors at a funeral, with many more outside only last week for the poor garda that was shot? No double standards there at all! | |||
"Great article in the Irish Times "Storey funeral a reminder that IRA army council runs Sinn Féin" For anyone who still wonders why no one wants to deal with sf Just think they can do as they please. One rule for them and another for everyone else as we see out deputy first minister rubbing everyone who has lost someone to Covids face in it. These people are common criminals, the end! No criticism for the thousands, including leo, Harris and so on, who stood shoulder to shoulder in doors at a funeral, with many more outside only last week for the poor garda that was shot? No double standards there at all! " Eh, no Leo didn't actually attend the funeral. That's the entire point of the article - if this was anyone else we'd all be deafened by the shrieking and howling of the shinners. But because it's them commemorating a bank robber it's fine
And here we get into the mental gymnastics you need to be able to perform to convince yourself that there is some equivalence between sf and other political parties. But it isn't. They're run by a war council and financed by organized crime. Everyone knows it, but if you say it's not true enough you can muddy the waters. | |||
" Eh, no Leo didn't actually attend the funeral. That's the entire point of the article - if this was anyone else we'd all be deafened by the shrieking and howling of the shinners. But because it's them commemorating a bank robber it's fine
And here we get into the mental gymnastics you need to be able to perform to convince yourself that there is some equivalence between sf and other political parties. But it isn't. They're run by a war council and financed by organized crime. Everyone knows it, but if you say it's not true enough you can muddy the waters.""Garda Commissioner Drew Harris and Minister for Justice Charlie Flanagan were numbered among the ranks of the mourners, while Taoiseach Leo Varadkar and President Michael D Higgins joined Garda members across Ireland in observing a minute’s silence to commemorate Detective Garda Horkan." Pardon me, leo wasnt there your right, my mistake. So what's your excuse for everyone else, ministers and officials, who attended, are they not to be held accountable or are they exempt from your criticism too? Can you show me any evidence that SF are funded by crime or controlled by a non existent army council, as it was in Harris' own report when head of PSNI that there was no longer any IRA army council? I mean, do you have some new information that drew doesnt have as I'm intrigued? | |||
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"When I was living in Rialto not too long ago the Garda pulled over a van containing guns, fake Garda uniforms and Aengus O Snodaigh posters. The Garda commissioner would have access to this and many many other pieces of info all telling him what the dogs in the street know anyway. Even Mary Lou can barely be arsed lying about it "not as far as I know" - the words "plausible deniability" spring to mind "Is that meant to be proof of something, some posters in a car?? Wheres this article? For such well organised criminal masterminds it seems like such an amature mistake to have your guns and posters all together in the one place! Was anyone ever charged over this? If so, who were they? Were they SF members? The phrase clutching at straws comes to mind! So, where is your criticism of ministers and officials attending shoulder to shoulder with thousands of mourners for the garda? | |||
"When I was living in Rialto not too long ago the Garda pulled over a van containing guns, fake Garda uniforms and Aengus O Snodaigh posters. The Garda commissioner would have access to this and many many other pieces of info all telling him what the dogs in the street know anyway. Even Mary Lou can barely be arsed lying about it "not as far as I know" - the words "plausible deniability" spring to mind
Is that meant to be proof of something, some posters in a car??
Wheres this article?
For such well organised criminal masterminds it seems like such an amature mistake to have your guns and posters all together in the one place!
Was anyone ever charged over this? If so, who were they? Were they SF members?
The phrase clutching at straws comes to mind!
So, where is your criticism of ministers and officials attending shoulder to shoulder with thousands of mourners for the garda?
"The difference being that they were commemorating a man who died in the service of his country as against the funeral of one of the top IRA men in the country who organised a bank robbery when there was meant to be a ceasefire The IRA control Sinn Fein and even if you dont believe that there's people on this thread who live in the north that have said how useless they are in power. You conveniently ignore their points No matter what you you wont change people's minds on here and we won't change yours. However 75 % of the people that voted didn't vote for Sinn Fein.....thank God | |||
" Can you show me any evidence that SF are funded by crime or controlled by a non existent army council, as it was in Harris' own report when head of PSNI that there was no longer any IRA army council? I mean, do you have some new information that drew doesnt have as I'm intrigued? " "Sinn Fein President Mary Lou McDonald has said that IRA "does not exist" after criticism of the role the organisation plays in her party. She was speaking after the head of the Republic's police force said its view "does not differ" from the PSNI's analysis that the IRA Army Council still oversees both Sinn Fein and the remaining elements of the terror group." ^^news article from February 2020 That Drew Harris?? But its okay cos it doesn't exist 'so far as I am aware' said Mary Lou McDonald | |||
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" Can you show me any evidence that SF are funded by crime or controlled by a non existent army council, as it was in Harris' own report when head of PSNI that there was no longer any IRA army council? I mean, do you have some new information that drew doesnt have as I'm intrigued? "Sinn Fein President Mary Lou McDonald has said that IRA "does not exist" after criticism of the role the organisation plays in her party. She was speaking after the head of the Republic's police force said its view "does not differ" from the PSNI's analysis that the IRA Army Council still oversees both Sinn Fein and the remaining elements of the terror group." ^^news article from February 2020 That Drew Harris?? But its okay cos it doesn't exist 'so far as I am aware' said Mary Lou McDonald " From the same article, convenient how you left this section of the article out! "However, the report added that this strategy has “a wholly political focus”. It also stated that the “PIRA leadership remains committed to the peace process and its aim of achieving a united Ireland by political means”. Separately, a 2015 report by the Garda Commissioner Noirin O’Sullivan for Justice Minister Frances Fitzgerald found there was no evidence of PIRA military departments or the Army Council operating south of the border." | |||
" Can you show me any evidence that SF are funded by crime or controlled by a non existent army council, as it was in Harris' own report when head of PSNI that there was no longer any IRA army council? I mean, do you have some new information that drew doesnt have as I'm intrigued? "Sinn Fein President Mary Lou McDonald has said that IRA "does not exist" after criticism of the role the organisation plays in her party. She was speaking after the head of the Republic's police force said its view "does not differ" from the PSNI's analysis that the IRA Army Council still oversees both Sinn Fein and the remaining elements of the terror group." ^^news article from February 2020 That Drew Harris?? But its okay cos it doesn't exist 'so far as I am aware' said Mary Lou McDonald From the same article, convenient how you left this section of the article out! "However, the report added that this strategy has “a wholly political focus”. It also stated that the “PIRA leadership remains committed to the peace process and its aim of achieving a united Ireland by political means”. Separately, a 2015 report by the Garda Commissioner Noirin O’Sullivan for Justice Minister Frances Fitzgerald found there was no evidence of PIRA military departments or the Army Council operating south of the border." "You asked for proof, I gave you proof, argue whatever way you want. If you want to go down the cherry picking line then you conveniently left out "The report was written by the PSNI and MI5 and stated the Provisional Army Council still strategically oversaw both the IRA and Sinn Fein." More proof of the army council operating cross border, or do they just phone it in? Listen I'm out, believe what you will. Good luck | |||
