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So I've been to quite a few events and clubs in my time, mostly in Ireland but around the world as well.
Been at this game for nigh on 15 years.
Even held a few of my own gigs over the years.
So I'm wondering.... with everything we've been through in the past month, social distancing, cough etiquette and the like, there's been talk of a fundamental shift in how we live our lives - social distancing will become the norm, mask wearing in public spaces will also become common and the likes of attendance in pubs and concerts will curtailed to a fraction of their numbers.
My question to you fine filthy folk is this: would you, post pandemic, be happy or keen to return to a lifestyle werein we meet complete strangers, in an enclosed space, breath one anothers air, swap saliva and other fluids, in some cases with multiple people, and then return home to our family and loved ones?
(I know I've made it sound horrendously unsexy but that is essentially what we do!)
I'm genuinely curious, as a player and an organiser, as to what the community's view on this going forward is.
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"Post pandemic, we want to double down and make up for lost time! Try things we’ve talked about but never followed through on. Times like this shows how much you take things for granted. We’ll probably end-up just procrastinating as normal, but let’s be ambitious at this point!" Ambitious and optimistic is always to be encouraged!
But I'm curious as to how people feel about social interactions, never mind swinging interactions!
If people feel we can go back to as we were then all well and good, but seeing as though there seems to be an over all concern in the public mindset as to IF we can return to normal I thought it'd be informative to see out people's perception within the scene!    | |||
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"Having never been to a club i hope its ok to voice my opinion.One of my jobs I could have between 10 and 80 thousand people around me and I think thats gone for all of this year and possibly next year I think clubs will have a problem in that people are saying hey cant wait to go back but then they will think of their families and wonder is it worth the risk. I can see private meets with people you have either already met or built up a relationship with maybe online being the way of the future Hotels or homes for the foreseeable is my opinion " Even with private meets or with meets with people you know already, still won't be safe... In terms of pandemic. | |||
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"Ps: post pandemic and the gift lifting restrictions obviously!" Hola! You're largely correct -but: The current virus isn't actually airborne. It exists in the droplets exuded by people, coughing, sneezing and talking. It is present in the vapour exuded by breath but one would have to be in close proximity to an infected person for around 15 minutes in order to absorb a viral load (How's that for sexy?!) large enough to cause infection. There is a degree of acceptable risk in everyday life alright (think of how many people have handled the €20 euro note in your pocket) but there are ways of risk management and social distancing is the most important one at the moment. You gave an example of sitting next to someone on a bus, there's talk now of all forms of public transport and air transport allowing enough room for people to engage in social distancing on the bus or on a flight. This is what I mean when I talk of a fundamental change in how we currently operate. You can actually hug someone as long as you take precautions... But what we do, and the manner in which we do it, is hugely susceptible to transmission. Thankfully most people on site have taken a step back and done the responsible thing. As I've mentioned I've hosted a few events in the past. The largest had over 70 people attend. Over the course of two days and two nights people from all over the country attended the one house, we shared food, a sauna, a swimming pool, a hot tub, a steam room and we fucked each others brains out. We then went back to our respective parts of the country. Can you imagine if one of use had Covid-19?!  | |||
"Given that it is transmitted via droplets from the respiratory system,kissing is definitely higher risk than hugging. Minimising close contact with people and not touching our faces with unwashed or unsanitised hands are the things that considerably reduce our risk. So in that respect,swinging definitely carries higher risk than hanging out with work colleagues. "  | |||
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"Post pandemic, we want to double down and make up for lost time! Try things we’ve talked about but never followed through on. Times like this shows how much you take things for granted. We’ll probably end-up just procrastinating as normal, but let’s be ambitious at this point! Ambitious and optimistic is always to be encouraged!
But I'm curious as to how people feel about social interactions, never mind swinging interactions!
If people feel we can go back to as we were then all well and good, but seeing as though there seems to be an over all concern in the public mindset as to IF we can return to normal I thought it'd be informative to see out people's perception within the scene! "Same answer for us on both social and swing interactions! | |||
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"There has always been risks involved; perhaps this just increases the liklihood. However it is a reasonable expectation that sick people will not attend meets. I know there is always the risk of asymptomatic persons attending; but be honest - that has been a risk for other illnesses all along. That's why swingers get regular health checks. People just need to weigh up the risks and see what it means for them. " The difference is,STIs aren't going to potentially kill people in your family. | |||
" The difference is,STIs aren't going to potentially kill people in your family." Exactamundo. It's the reason I'm limiting my contacts outside of work to nearly zero. I'm more concerned about being a vector. | |||
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"Aside from parties/clubs etc are you planning on not getting intimate with anyone post pandemic if not in a relationship? And if so for how long? Until all restrictions lifted or do you have you an acceptable level of risk in mind? Genuinely interested in people’s views, particularly singles." There's a difference between being intimate with one person and knowing that person's health status and having sexual interactions with many different strangers in the space of an evening.
Personally I actually don't know. 
I have a picture on my wall from a party I hosted several years ago (we're all dressed and respectable!) and it just struck me how physically close we all are! Shoulder to shoulder, arms casually draped around one another, some are kissing... It just looks strange to me now!
I'm genuinely curious myself as to what people think...
I honestly personally don't know. | |||
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"I honestly personally don't know. "Yeah it’s an interesting one. I think aside from the swinging scene we’re all going to be living very different lives. | |||
"There has always been risks involved; perhaps this just increases the liklihood. However it is a reasonable expectation that sick people will not attend meets. I know there is always the risk of asymptomatic persons attending; but be honest - that has been a risk for other illnesses all along. That's why swingers get regular health checks. People just need to weigh up the risks and see what it means for them. The difference is,STIs aren't going to potentially kill people in your family." Pretty much the best summary for putting this in perspective. Living alone I had not framed my thoughts in this way. Thank you. | |||
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"infectious diseases - even potentially fatal ones - have never stopped the human race from having risky sex." Yes, but this is the first pandemic in living memory to have this large of an impact upon people's lives. The old habits will slip back, I'm sure of it, but the question is how long? | |||
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"infectious diseases - even potentially fatal ones - have never stopped the human race from having risky sex. Yes, but this is the first pandemic in living memory to have this large of an impact upon people's lives. The old habits will slip back, I'm sure of it, but the question is how long? "Very quickly for quite a few I imagine,given the number of people who have still looked for meets on fab during this time,and the people we have no doubt all observed not social distancing in our everyday lives. | |||
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"I don't think I'll meet this year until there is hard evidence this thing is gone or theres some sort of help that'll stop you from dying from it. " I have to agree I can only look after my own family not leaving in the hands of people who probably never wash there hands  | |||
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"From what I'm aware and what I cam glean from the information that's out there, things can only really return to "normal" with the advent of a vaccine. And even after that there's new strains of Coronavirus appearing all the time. So the new "normal" might be a future wherein social distancing and mask wearing might become widely practised at all times. That does not bode well for swinging. " It doesn't bode well for any casual sexual encounters but I think the libido will win out for many and they will take the risk. There are risks in pretty much everything we do. In fact,there will likely be people for whom the risk heightens the appeal, such is human nature. | |||
"From what I'm aware and what I cam glean from the information that's out there, things can only really return to "normal" with the advent of a vaccine. And even after that there's new strains of Coronavirus appearing all the time. So the new "normal" might be a future wherein social distancing and mask wearing might become widely practised at all times. That does not bode well for swinging. " I agree, the only thing that will remove requirement for social distancing is a vaccine. It would appear that it behaves similarly to the flu so there will be a number of different strains of the virus and the a yearly vaccine will be needed. While I believe in herd immunity in principle, I actually dont think it will work as expected in this case. | |||
"It doesn't bode well for any casual sexual encounters but I think the libido will win out for many and they will take the risk. There are risks in pretty much everything we do. In fact,there will likely be people for whom the risk heightens the appeal, such is human nature." But as you yourself have rightly pointed out, there's a world of difference between having casual sex and taking all reasonable precautions to avoid STDs and accidentally killing your parents and infecting your entire house hold and work place because you went to an orgy. 
See... I think it comes down to this... Let's say I'm HIV positive but unaware of the infection. You and I have sex, neither of us have a condom. We both elect to have risky sex nonetheless because humans make mistakes. The nub of the argument here is that two consenting adults weighed the risk and it worked out badly for them. But it's only those two whose health is affected.
With Corona viruses you run the risk of infecting your friends, your colleagues your family.
Think of it this way, if HIV was spread via moisture droplets like Corona is, would ANYONE attend an orgy?! | |||
"All opinions and insights welcome (except that incel guy, you know who you are!)
So I've been to quite a few events and clubs in my time, mostly in Ireland but around the world as well.
Been at this game for nigh on 15 years.
Even held a few of my own gigs over the years.
So I'm wondering.... with everything we've been through in the past month, social distancing, cough etiquette and the like, there's been talk of a fundamental shift in how we live our lives - social distancing will become the norm, mask wearing in public spaces will also become common and the likes of attendance in pubs and concerts will curtailed to a fraction of their numbers.
My question to you fine filthy folk is this: would you, post pandemic, be happy or keen to return to a lifestyle werein we meet complete strangers, in an enclosed space, breath one anothers air, swap saliva and other fluids, in some cases with multiple people, and then return home to our family and loved ones?
(I know I've made it sound horrendously unsexy but that is essentially what we do!)
I'm genuinely curious, as a player and an organiser, as to what the community's view on this going forward is.
Thank you in advance for any contributions! " | |||
"It doesn't bode well for any casual sexual encounters but I think the libido will win out for many and they will take the risk. There are risks in pretty much everything we do. In fact,there will likely be people for whom the risk heightens the appeal, such is human nature. But as you yourself have rightly pointed out, there's a world of difference between having casual sex and taking all reasonable precautions to avoid STDs and accidentally killing your parents and infecting your entire house hold and work place because you went to an orgy.
See... I think it comes down to this... Let's say I'm HIV positive but unaware of the infection. You and I have sex, neither of us have a condom. We both elect to have risky sex nonetheless because humans make mistakes. The nub of the argument here is that two consenting adults weighed the risk and it worked out badly for them. But it's only those two whose health is affected.
With Corona viruses you run the risk of infecting your friends, your colleagues your family.
Think of it this way, if HIV was spread via moisture droplets like Corona is, would ANYONE attend an orgy?! "I entirely understand what you're saying, but there are people willing to break the current restrictions and there will be people willing to risk their own health and that of others to have sex. People frequently behave in ways that risk not only their own health and safety, but that of others. | |||
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"Airborne diseases that you can catch from people in close proximity, which you may be asymptomatic host of and which can harm people around you (some have vaccinations, some don't, you have a chance of not knowing who do (we shall not name the current one as it's everywhere as is): *Chickenpox *Tuberculosis *Common cold *Influenza Diseases that you may catch from exchanging bodily fluids (saliva, semen and vaginal fluids) which can harm you as well as loved ones (once again let's not mention the one on the news): *Hepatitis B *HIV *Herpes Swingers expose themselves to a lot of bugs all the time in a lot of different ways. National and international lock down should never be an indicator on how safe one has to keep themselves and their loved ones. If one has underlying health conditions or is in any close contact with those who are vulnerable which can make their own or people they're around seriously unwell by ANY listed diseases that are so easily passed on - they should be grown up enough by not taking their own risks. We are all grown ups, we should act like such too. If one is single, strong, young and healthy, not looking after anyone vulnerable, doesn't get in contact with many people if any at all, I don't see why they can't carefully start meeting someone else. " I understand where you're coming from, but let's be analytical about this; Chicken Pox - most people develop an immunity to this in childhood via infection, a kind of rough and ready version of vaccination. TB - Had been eradicated in this country but is experiencing a resurgence. However TB has nowhere near the infection risk of Coronavirus. It's caused by a bacterial infection and it usually eradicated in the body by a two week course of treatment. Common Cold - hasn't killed 200,000 people in 6 months. Flu - usually kills 80,000 or so a year. And we have a vaccine. As stated, we've no vaccine for Coronavirus and it's killed well over double the amount of people in half the time. Hep B - we have a course of vaccines for. I've recieved them and am immune. HIV - A real concern. But swingers take every possible precaution to avoid same. Condoms. Regular testing. In Ireland our infection rate is around 300 cases per year. Usually predominantly intravenous drug users and men who have sex with men. Which goes a ways to explaining the discrimination against bi-sexual or sexually fluid males on this site. Herpes - depends on the strain. But once again most swingers take as many precautionary measures as they can. But if I contract genital herpes I'm not gonna pass it to my parents by talking to them. And it won't kill me or them. Coronavirus will. I'd argue that countries willing to destroy their economies by shuttering their entire industrial work force is a VERY solid indicator as to how dangerous Coronavirus is. Lockdown is a last resort and a nightmare for Governments. Coronavirus is a very real and very immediate threat. It is highly contagious, easily spread, and fatal to many people. We've been asked to limit our social contact,to slow the spread of the virus. Most of us have done so. I personally believe that meeting a stranger off Fab to suck me off is not as essential journey, nor an acceptable risk. You posited a scenario wherein one is single, strong, young and healthy, not looking after anyone vulnerable, doesn't get in contact with many people if any at all, and might carefully start meeting someone else? What if that someone else contacted the virus from you? And brought it to Centra on the way home? Then visited her parents? Then went to work the next day as a hospital janitor? It's not just about me. Or us. It's about everyone. Your follow up post indicated a slightly anti-authorian argument. Don't be sheeple etc. I'm actually quite fond of listening to people who are better educated or more informed than I, whether they sit in a big fancy chair or not. When I learned how to drive I had to listen. When I'm sick I take the advised medication. When I was taught about STIs I started using condoms. And when 185 countries around the world go into lockdown, when John Hopkins University report over 200,000 deaths world wide, when I see a mass grave in New York City, when men and women with 8-12 years of study and decades of on the job experience in a field in which I have only a layman's understanding of tell me to be concerned and to take all reasonable measures to ensure my safety and that of my loved ones...? You're damned sure I listen. Fancy chair or not.
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"Bring on the madness is what i say lol Lots of sexy filthy living to be done!! "I tend to agree. Bring on the madness. If two people have self isolated and live a lone then swinging should be as safe as ever. | |||
"Bring on the madness is what i say lol Lots of sexy filthy living to be done!!
I tend to agree. Bring on the madness. If two people have self isolated and live a lone then swinging should be as safe as ever. "Em. But it's not two people. It's 4. Or at a minimum 3. And couple to couple meets aren't really what I'm thinking of... It's parties and clubs. Where you can have over a hundred people, in a relatively confined area. And lest we forget, one can have the 'Rona and be completely asymptomatic. | |||
"Bring on the madness is what i say lol Lots of sexy filthy living to be done!!
I tend to agree. Bring on the madness. If two people have self isolated and live a lone then swinging should be as safe as ever.
Em. But it's not two people. It's 4.
Or at a minimum 3.
And couple to couple meets aren't really what I'm thinking of... It's parties and clubs. Where you can have over a hundred people, in a relatively confined area.
And lest we forget, one can have the 'Rona and be completely asymptomatic. "I would imagine it will be similar to what follows with the pub trade. If its acceptable to go to a large pub packed on a Friday night it will be acceptable to attend a party. | |||
"I would imagine it will be similar to what follows with the pub trade. If its acceptable to go to a large pub packed on a Friday night it will be acceptable to attend a party." Aye, but word is pubs mightn't be open till 2021. And as I'd mentioned earlier ier even that might comes with new restrictions. The days off being wedged into a packed bar might be over. I'm not trying to advocate for one way or the other.... I'm as frustrated as anyone else during this period, perhaps moreso with a companion. Just attempting to see what people's feelings on the subject are. | |||
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"As someone who is high risk, it is most likely that I won't be meeting on here for a hell of a long time. Unfortunately " Sorry to hear that friend... Hoping you're well and taking care of yourself. | |||
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"I only joined just before this COVID shit storm. It took me a long time to get here and now it looks like it may be a long time before I can actually call myself a genuine swinger.. if ever. Ah well there is a reason for everything. Actually just being in the company, (appropriately distanced), of people who share similar interests and being able to read such a variety of opinions on forums is enough for now. I think people without partners will suffer most especially if it becomes socially unacceptable to hug. "Sorry to hear that your introduction to the scene has been scuppered so, but congratulations nonetheless for taking the leap to the Dark Side!
You're very welcome and I hope you get to break your proverbial swinger cherry sooner rather than later! | |||
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"All opinions and insights welcome (except that incel guy, you know who you are!)
So I've been to quite a few events and clubs in my time, mostly in Ireland but around the world as well.
Been at this game for nigh on 15 years.
Even held a few of my own gigs over the years.
So I'm wondering.... with everything we've been through in the past month, social distancing, cough etiquette and the like, there's been talk of a fundamental shift in how we live our lives - social distancing will become the norm, mask wearing in public spaces will also become common and the likes of attendance in pubs and concerts will curtailed to a fraction of their numbers.
My question to you fine filthy folk is this: would you, post pandemic, be happy or keen to return to a lifestyle werein we meet complete strangers, in an enclosed space, breath one anothers air, swap saliva and other fluids, in some cases with multiple people, and then return home to our family and loved ones?
(I know I've made it sound horrendously unsexy but that is essentially what we do!)
I'm genuinely curious, as a player and an organiser, as to what the community's view on this going forward is.
Thank you in advance for any contributions! "Absolutely It's a virus not an incurable disease Most people recover in a week to ten days I'd not want to waste the rest of my life even though we are both slight high risk | |||
" Absolutely It's a virus not an incurable disease most people recover in a week to ten days I'd not want to waste the rest of my life even though we are both slight high risk" Um... You do know the virus actually does cause a currently incurable disease that is fatal to a worryingly large portion of our population? And nobody wants to waste their life, but once again, this isn't just about you. It's about the possibility of you contracting an infection and spreading it unknowingly to others.
It's why monogamy or ethical non-monongamy is to be encouraged. If I'm cheating behind my partners back I'm risking her or his sexual health. It's ok to play dice with your own health but not with someone elses.  | |||
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"Neither I or my husband intend to meet for a very long time. We value our family too much to put it at risk for sex with strangers. I work for the NHS and have seen first hand how many " young fit with no underlying health problems" are in ICU. There will be a time when life is far more certain than it is now and until then we are more than happy to wait." I'm front line but not in health, thankfully, but I've seen how crazy dangerous this thing can be in hospitals. Thank you for your work. What's more worrying is the reports from Wuhan and the US. There's a possibility that infection does not grant one immunity and there's a spike in younger people dying from blood clots and stroke in the US, suspected to be Covid related....
Like I say, I just don't know.... But personally I'd prefer a total shutdown till June, martial law if needs be.
Let it die and ensure it's gone, then let us out to play. | |||
" Absolutely It's a virus not an incurable disease most people recover in a week to ten days I'd not want to waste the rest of my life even though we are both slight high risk Um... You do know the virus actually does cause a currently incurable disease that is fatal to a worryingly large portion of our population? And nobody wants to waste their life, but once again, this isn't just about you. It's about the possibility of you contracting an infection and spreading it unknowingly to others.
It's why monogamy or ethical non-monongamy is to be encouraged. If I'm cheating behind my partners back I'm risking her or his sexual health. It's ok to play dice with your own health but not with someone elses. "I don't cheat never have never will A small percentage will die, the rest will fully recover it's not an incurable disease We won't meet people in high risk situations and obviously won't meet people without their consent lol Everyone will have a choice. At this time we don't and so stay at home stay safe Wait for a vaccine that may or may not come and may or may not be effective, stay inside forever that's your choice, don't inflict your choice on me please. Btw the way I read the op post was asking for opinions not lectures lol Be happy | |||
"Neither I or my husband intend to meet for a very long time. We value our family too much to put it at risk for sex with strangers. I work for the NHS and have seen first hand how many " young fit with no underlying health problems" are in ICU. There will be a time when life is far more certain than it is now and until then we are more than happy to wait. I'm front line but not in health, thankfully, but I've seen how crazy dangerous this thing can be in hospitals. Thank you for your work. What's more worrying is the reports from Wuhan and the US. There's a possibility that infection does not grant one immunity and there's a spike in younger people dying from blood clots and stroke in the US, suspected to be Covid related....
Like I say, I just don't know.... But personally I'd prefer a total shutdown till June, martial law if needs be.
Let it die and ensure it's gone, then let us out to play. "It won't die out and will most likely never go away Even if there is a vaccine it probably won't work for everyone as many could be non receptors as I am for hepb I'm not lecturing just giving my opinion for what it's worth | |||
" I'm not lecturing just giving my opinion for what it's worth "I'm not intending to lecture, but I do have a habit of slipping into same and have an awful self righteous bent about me so I humbly offer apologies.
But it IS an incurable disease.
As in, we don't have a cure.
I suggest what you mean is that it's survivable for a majority of people. Which is definitely not the same thing.
And I do appreciate you taking the time to comment and offer your opinion. | |||
"Neither I or my husband intend to meet for a very long time. We value our family too much to put it at risk for sex with strangers. I work for the NHS and have seen first hand how many " young fit with no underlying health problems" are in ICU. There will be a time when life is far more certain than it is now and until then we are more than happy to wait. I'm front line but not in health, thankfully, but I've seen how crazy dangerous this thing can be in hospitals. Thank you for your work. What's more worrying is the reports from Wuhan and the US. There's a possibility that infection does not grant one immunity and there's a spike in younger people dying from blood clots and stroke in the US, suspected to be Covid related....
Like I say, I just don't know.... But personally I'd prefer a total shutdown till June, martial law if needs be.
Let it die and ensure it's gone, then let us out to play. "These are only reports not facts. We dont know how immunity will really work yet. I can tell you good news, like how a family member of almost 90 in a nursing home had it last week and has come true it without any issues as has the rest of members of the home it seems so far. Pretty impressive really. | |||
". We dont know how immunity will really work yet. I can tell you good news, like how a family member of almost 90 in a nursing home had it last week and has come true it without any issues as has the rest of members of the home it seems so far. Pretty impressive really. " That is indeed pretty impressive! Congratulations!
Delighted your family member pulled through!
More good news please?! | |||
" I'm not lecturing just giving my opinion for what it's worth
I'm not intending to lecture, but I do have a habit of slipping into same and have an awful self righteous bent about me so I humbly offer apologies.
But it IS an incurable disease.
As in, we don't have a cure.
I suggest what you mean is that it's survivable for a majority of people. Which is definitely not the same thing.
And I do appreciate you taking the time to comment and offer your opinion. "I'm not looking a fight, but for most we have a natural cure it's called our immune system therefore it's not incurable Not everyone has a strong immune system and hence some die If it helps replace incurable with progressive but my reply stands and I'm happy with myself Thank you | |||
". We dont know how immunity will really work yet. I can tell you good news, like how a family member of almost 90 in a nursing home had it last week and has come true it without any issues as has the rest of members of the home it seems so far. Pretty impressive really. That is indeed pretty impressive! Congratulations!
Delighted your family member pulled through!
More good news please?! "Brilliant news | |||
