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"Your profile is good, so it's not that. Without appearing too personal, perhaps you are exceptionally ugly? I don't mean that as a judgement, just that I don't know what you look like and if your email is as good as your profile, then it's not that and that just leaves the photo? " Well, I'm no Brad Pitt / George Clooney - but I'm not bad looking! No, not ugly! | |||
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"Do you have pics to display. ..and I don't necessarily mean cock pics..." I don't want to risk someone whom knows me to find a picture of me on this website. it would be professionally embarrassing. So I send a picture along with the email. I don't do cock pics - as many woman have said, once you've seen one, you've seen them all! | |||
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"For me personally-karin You have no pictures on display but everything else is great xx" Thanks! | |||
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"Your profile is good, so it's not that. Without appearing too personal, perhaps you are exceptionally ugly? I don't mean that as a judgement, just that I don't know what you look like and if your email is as good as your profile, then it's not that and that just leaves the photo? "  | |||
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"Tried to contact several ladies local to me (or within a 30 minutes or so drive). I carefully read their profile, and then send them an email (not a one liner), with a respectable photograph, and I receive no response. Many just delete the email! How do you get to meet anyone on this site as I'm having no luck whatsoever! Is it just a case of there are 10 times more men on this site, and the ladies can be fussy? Help!" It's a numbers game I'm afraid and you will have a great deal more luck in a club or at a social. | |||
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"I like to see photos - a nice bum, an unbuttoned shirt... We don't show our faces either, but manage to have lots of photos. By the way, don't know if this is relevant, but do you really need to say you have a Masters? i did a double take reading that- irrelevant I think & may put people off? Just a thought... Hope this helps.. " Some people state in their profiles that they're also looking for intelligent conversation etc., so that's the only reason it's there. I can hold a conversation on lots of different subjects - bar shopping! I'll think about rewording it. Maybe the MSc is perceived by some as hoity toity - which I'm not! | |||
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"Tried to contact several ladies local to me (or within a 30 minutes or so drive). I carefully read their profile, and then send them an email (not a one liner), with a respectable photograph, and I receive no response. Many just delete the email! How do you get to meet anyone on this site as I'm having no luck whatsoever! Is it just a case of there are 10 times more men on this site, and the ladies can be fussy? Help!" . Your are restricting the number of people who will contact you as you have no pictures . Don't really think your job is an acceptable excuse not to display. Your profile does not display any hobbies or interests . These give a bit more detail into the type of person that you are . I am uncertain if adding the fact that you have an M.Sc help. If unable to accommodate will you pay hotel costs? | |||
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"No pictures. You say "see/read" there's nothing to see!! Bland, boring. Been on 8 months and nothing........... Don't take it too seriously. Get on the forums, be normal. Ain't all about the sex. Use the site as an extension to your social life. Do the socials, or just go for a drink. Delete your profile now!! And come back a new man! "That is very good advice. We love the social side of swinging and often the best meets come from unexpected quarters. Good luck op. | |||
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"No pictures. You say "see/read" there's nothing to see!! Bland, boring. Been on 8 months and nothing........... Don't take it too seriously. Get on the forums, be normal. Ain't all about the sex. Use the site as an extension to your social life. Do the socials, or just go for a drink. Delete your profile now!! And come back a new man!
That is very good advice. We love the social side of swinging and often the best meets come from unexpected quarters. Lots of really interesting topics on the forums which have nothing to do with sex. Enjoy them more than the sexual ones
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"Do I take it you are married/attached given you've completely ignored my post?" Sorry. Yes, attached - sexless, passionless etc. | |||
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"Do I take it you are married/attached given you've completely ignored my post? Sorry. Yes, attached - sexless, passionless etc." Cheaters never prosper. | |||
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"Do I take it you are married/attached given you've completely ignored my post? Sorry. Yes, attached - sexless, passionless etc. Cheaters never prosper." Thanks for taking the moral high ground... very helpful! | |||
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"Do I take it you are married/attached given you've completely ignored my post? Sorry. Yes, attached - sexless, passionless etc. Cheaters never prosper. Thanks for taking the moral high ground... very helpful!" Why would i be helpful?  | |||
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"Do I take it you are married/attached given you've completely ignored my post? Sorry. Yes, attached - sexless, passionless etc." . If you are attached surely this should be on your profile ? Does your partner know that you are searching on here ? | |||
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"Do I take it you are married/attached given you've completely ignored my post? Sorry. Yes, attached - sexless, passionless etc." Does your wife think everything is fine? | |||
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"Do I take it you are married/attached given you've completely ignored my post? Sorry. Yes, attached - sexless, passionless etc. Cheaters never prosper. Thanks for taking the moral high ground... very helpful!" Sorry but this is why your struggling.... Swinging is about trust and friendship. There are 'cheating sites' out there, they might be a better option. There are woman on here that will meet married men but they are few and far between and probably married themselves which would meen making time for meeting even more complicated. Good luck with your search or better still talk to your wife, you never know maybe she'd fancy a 3some with one of the strapping young men on here  | |||
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"Tried to contact several ladies local to me (or within a 30 minutes or so drive). I carefully read their profile, and then send them an email (not a one liner), with a respectable photograph, and I receive no response. Many just delete the email! How do you get to meet anyone on this site as I'm having no luck whatsoever! Is it just a case of there are 10 times more men on this site, and the ladies can be fussy? Help!" I personally have no problems with married men, whether they are cheating on their wives/girlfriends or not. It is none of my business and I don't want the position of the 'morality policewoman' here nor anywhere else. I wouldn't like it if others judged my morals because I am here. Just imagine, what the parishioners in my Church would think if they knew. So morals are fluid and relative Having said that, married men exude this 'slyness' which can be very off-putting. I don't want to hear about his domestic arrangements when with him. And if he wants a 'quickie' then he is better off with a hooker. It is cheaper and less hassle I would only meet a married man if he can meet me on a weekend evening and spend the best part of the evening with me. That will start with socialising and end with sex in a nice hotel room Where you are going wrong is with your dishonesty towards the women you are hoping to meet here. I already know that you are dishonest with your wife so am on my guard more with you than anyone else. But if you compound that with that 'slyness' with the women here then a meteor has more chance of getting sex with a human female than you do. Sorry, but that is the truth PS. Just received an message from a couple profile where they are both straight and only meet couples for a swap. However, the wife is out of town and he wrote to me for a sly meeting. Swinging couples can be cheats too! | |||
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"Do I take it you are married/attached given you've completely ignored my post? Sorry. Yes, attached - sexless, passionless etc. Cheaters never prosper." So may we ask. Is swinging and cheating the same thing? | |||
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"Do I take it you are married/attached given you've completely ignored my post? Sorry. Yes, attached - sexless, passionless etc. Cheaters never prosper. Thanks for taking the moral high ground... very helpful!" Helpful? Are you offended? But actually doing it doesn't offend you at all? | |||
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"Do I take it you are married/attached given you've completely ignored my post? Sorry. Yes, attached - sexless, passionless etc. Cheaters never prosper. So may we ask. Is swinging and cheating the same thing? " No, Swinging to me (may not be the same to others of course) is about friendship, trust and honesty and I guess if swinging as a couple would need a lot of that too | |||
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"Do I take it you are married/attached given you've completely ignored my post? Sorry. Yes, attached - sexless, passionless etc. Cheaters never prosper. Thanks for taking the moral high ground... very helpful! Helpful? Are you offended? But actually doing it doesn't offend you at all?" It's a stock response from cheats because they know what they're doing is a bit horrid | |||
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"Do I take it you are married/attached given you've completely ignored my post? Sorry. Yes, attached - sexless, passionless etc. Cheaters never prosper. So may we ask. Is swinging and cheating the same thing? No, Swinging to me (may not be the same to others of course) is about friendship, trust and honesty and I guess if swinging as a couple would need a lot of that too" We agree totally with your comments about friendship, trust and honesty, but remember to some guys this is not a swingers site, it is a 'free-fuck' site and that is the difference. We personally don't like to see married guys use swinging as a disguise for cheating. Cheating is not honest and people who are dishonest, especially to their partners, are not trustworthy. Goes against what we think of swinging. Why not go on a cheating site? | |||
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"Do I take it you are married/attached given you've completely ignored my post? Sorry. Yes, attached - sexless, passionless etc. Cheaters never prosper. Thanks for taking the moral high ground... very helpful! Helpful? Are you offended? But actually doing it doesn't offend you at all? It's a stock response from cheats because they know what they're doing is a bit horrid " We agree, it is the lowest of the low. Lower than the dog in the street. Just being honest, but we think a lot of honest people on here would agree. | |||
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"Do I take it you are married/attached given you've completely ignored my post? Sorry. Yes, attached - sexless, passionless etc. Cheaters never prosper. So may we ask. Is swinging and cheating the same thing? No, Swinging to me (may not be the same to others of course) is about friendship, trust and honesty and I guess if swinging as a couple would need a lot of that too We agree totally with your comments about friendship, trust and honesty, but remember to some guys this is not a swingers site, it is a 'free-fuck' site and that is the difference. We personally don't like to see married guys use swinging as a disguise for cheating. Cheating is not honest and people who are dishonest, especially to their partners, are not trustworthy. Goes against what we think of swinging. Why not go on a cheating site? " Your totally right, you can.usually spot those men though, a few slip through the net but they reveal their true colours quite early on. I always think how much.fun they could be having with their wives aswell!! Haha! Anyway slightly of topic but op in all seriousness that's probably what holding you back | |||
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"Just stick at it and you will score, be patient, there are serious women out there, you just need to persist" Would you define a 'serious' woman please  | |||
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"For me personally-karin You have no pictures on display but everything else is great xx Thanks!" No face pics to us screams of a married man.... but we like married men so mail us it lol | |||
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"We also don't find it easy to meet people so don't think the single guy thing is an excuse " From your profile you look as if you've done pretty well | |||
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"Tried to contact several ladies local to me (or within a 30 minutes or so drive). I carefully read their profile, and then send them an email (not a one liner), with a respectable photograph, and I receive no response. Many just delete the email! How do you get to meet anyone on this site as I'm having no luck whatsoever! Is it just a case of there are 10 times more men on this site, and the ladies can be fussy? Help!" Putting the cheating aside, which we dont agree with anyway. The fact that you dont even have a Profile photo would mean we wouldn't even open your message. Sounds harsh, but its an easy filtering tool, if we had 10 messages from singles males we would only open the ones with a profile photo, then filter further from there. | |||
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"Tried to contact several ladies local to me (or within a 30 minutes or so drive). I carefully read their profile, and then send them an email (not a one liner), with a respectable photograph, and I receive no response. Many just delete the email! How do you get to meet anyone on this site as I'm having no luck whatsoever! Is it just a case of there are 10 times more men on this site, and the ladies can be fussy? Help! I personally have no problems with married men, whether they are cheating on their wives/girlfriends or not. It is none of my business and I don't want the position of the 'morality policewoman' here nor anywhere else. I wouldn't like it if others judged my morals because I am here. Just imagine, what the parishioners in my Church would think if they knew. So morals are fluid and relative Having said that, married men exude this 'slyness' which can be very off-putting. I don't want to hear about his domestic arrangements when with him. And if he wants a 'quickie' then he is better off with a hooker. It is cheaper and less hassle I would only meet a married man if he can meet me on a weekend evening and spend the best part of the evening with me. That will start with socialising and end with sex in a nice hotel room Where you are going wrong is with your dishonesty towards the women you are hoping to meet here. I already know that you are dishonest with your wife so am on my guard more with you than anyone else. But if you compound that with that 'slyness' with the women here then a meteor has more chance of getting sex with a human female than you do. Sorry, but that is the truth PS. Just received an message from a couple profile where they are both straight and only meet couples for a swap. However, the wife is out of town and he wrote to me for a sly meeting. Swinging couples can be cheats too!" So glad you brought this up. | |||
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"We also don't find it easy to meet people so don't think the single guy thing is an excuse From your profile you look as if you've done pretty well "Lol... but it's a struggle to rely on many of the single guys | |||
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" I don't want to risk someone whom knows me to find a picture of me on this website. it would be professionally embarrassing. " This site is full of professionals. Look at the feature that shows who is close when you're at work. The Mrs did it in a fast food restaurant and noticed that the police sitting close by were members. By saying you're embarrassed to list a picture you're saying that you are embarrassed to be with us. Professionally would you do something by halves? I hope not. So why not add pictures. Stand up and be counted. | |||
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"Do I take it you are married/attached given you've completely ignored my post? Sorry. Yes, attached - sexless, passionless etc." My personal bete noire. Married doesn't bother me as I don't play nice married men tend to give me a wide berth. But blaming the partner..despicable! | |||
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"Do I take it you are married/attached given you've completely ignored my post? Sorry. Yes, attached - sexless, passionless etc. My personal bete noire. Married doesn't bother me as I don't play nice married men tend to give me a wide berth. But blaming the partner..despicable! "oh! I took it to men that he was sexless and passionless...my mistake  | |||
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"... We agree, it is the lowest of the low. Lower than the dog in the street. Just being honest, but we think a lot of honest people on here would agree." My apologies, but this is way out of line. Nobody here has any real idea why he is cheating on his wife. There could be a multitude of reasons His wife could suffer from a debilitating illness which prevents her from enjoying sex or even having sex. Rather than kick her out on the streets like yesterday's garbage, he might have decided that it will be best to have NSA sex here. He might also have decided that bringing this topic up will only upset her because it may be physically impossible for her to change anything anyway. I am not suggesting that this is the case; just that we do not know the whole story I am appalled at the level of intolerance of the so called 'swingers'. In society's eyes, the swinging couples are the lowest of the low And I can't be lumped with the swinging couples as I am a single woman and not in any relationship so if I want, I can have sex with 20 men (or women, or both) every night and that will not be an issue. And I don't have to find my sex partners in swinging clubs; any nite club will do although the risk to me would increase. I might be viewed as a 'slut' but no more than that. Nobody will think of me as sick but they will of, especially, married couples Let the couples try and explain to their friends, families, children, parents, employers, etc. that they pass each other around to other men and women and watch the disgust on their faces!!! He did not ask for opinion about how the hypocritical morals here can be applied to him but about how he could improve his chances of 'getting a lay' | |||
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"... We agree, it is the lowest of the low. Lower than the dog in the street. Just being honest, but we think a lot of honest people on here would agree. My apologies, but this is way out of line. Nobody here has any real idea why he is cheating on his wife. There could be a multitude of reasons His wife could suffer from a debilitating illness which prevents her from enjoying sex or even having sex. Rather than kick her out on the streets like yesterday's garbage, he might have decided that it will be best to have NSA sex here. He might also have decided that bringing this topic up will only upset her because it may be physically impossible for her to change anything anyway. I am not suggesting that this is the case; just that we do not know the whole story I am appalled at the level of intolerance of the so called 'swingers'. In society's eyes, the swinging couples are the lowest of the low And I can't be lumped with the swinging couples as I am a single woman and not in any relationship so if I want, I can have sex with 20 men (or women, or both) every night and that will not be an issue. And I don't have to find my sex partners in swinging clubs; any nite club will do although the risk to me would increase. I might be viewed as a 'slut' but no more than that. Nobody will think of me as sick but they will of, especially, married couples Let the couples try and explain to their friends, families, children, parents, employers, etc. that they pass each other around to other men and women and watch the disgust on their faces!!! He did not ask for opinion about how the hypocritical morals here can be applied to him but about how he could improve his chances of 'getting a lay'" An intelligent response at last. Thank you. | |||
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"... We agree, it is the lowest of the low. Lower than the dog in the street. Just being honest, but we think a lot of honest people on here would agree. My apologies, but this is way out of line. Nobody here has any real idea why he is cheating on his wife. There could be a multitude of reasons His wife could suffer from a debilitating illness which prevents her from enjoying sex or even having sex. Rather than kick her out on the streets like yesterday's garbage, he might have decided that it will be best to have NSA sex here. He might also have decided that bringing this topic up will only upset her because it may be physically impossible for her to change anything anyway. I am not suggesting that this is the case; just that we do not know the whole story I am appalled at the level of intolerance of the so called 'swingers'. In society's eyes, the swinging couples are the lowest of the low And I can't be lumped with the swinging couples as I am a single woman and not in any relationship so if I want, I can have sex with 20 men (or women, or both) every night and that will not be an issue. And I don't have to find my sex partners in swinging clubs; any nite club will do although the risk to me would increase. I might be viewed as a 'slut' but no more than that. Nobody will think of me as sick but they will of, especially, married couples Let the couples try and explain to their friends, families, children, parents, employers, etc. that they pass each other around to other men and women and watch the disgust on their faces!!! He did not ask for opinion about how the hypocritical morals here can be applied to him but about how he could improve his chances of 'getting a lay'" | |||
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"... Where you are going wrong is with your dishonesty towards the women you are hoping to meet here. I already know that you are dishonest with your wife so am on my guard more with you than anyone else. But if you compound that with that 'slyness' with the women here then a meteor has more chance of getting sex with a human female than you do. Sorry, but that is the truth PS. Just received an message from a couple profile where they are both straight and only meet couples for a swap. However, the wife is out of town and he wrote to me for a sly meeting. Swinging couples can be cheats too!" | |||
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"... We agree, it is the lowest of the low. Lower than the dog in the street. Just being honest, but we think a lot of honest people on here would agree. My apologies, but this is way out of line. Nobody here has any real idea why he is cheating on his wife. There could be a multitude of reasons His wife could suffer from a debilitating illness which prevents her from enjoying sex or even having sex. Rather than kick her out on the streets like yesterday's garbage, he might have decided that it will be best to have NSA sex here. He might also have decided that bringing this topic up will only upset her because it may be physically impossible for her to change anything anyway. I am not suggesting that this is the case; just that we do not know the whole story I am appalled at the level of intolerance of the so called 'swingers'. In society's eyes, the swinging couples are the lowest of the low And I can't be lumped with the swinging couples as I am a single woman and not in any relationship so if I want, I can have sex with 20 men (or women, or both) every night and that will not be an issue. And I don't have to find my sex partners in swinging clubs; any nite club will do although the risk to me would increase. I might be viewed as a 'slut' but no more than that. Nobody will think of me as sick but they will of, especially, married couples Let the couples try and explain to their friends, families, children, parents, employers, etc. that they pass each other around to other men and women and watch the disgust on their faces!!! He did not ask for opinion about how the hypocritical morals here can be applied to him but about how he could improve his chances of 'getting a lay'" He wanted to know where he was going wrong. He got an answer. Not anybodys fault he didn't like it. | |||
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"... We agree, it is the lowest of the low. Lower than the dog in the street. Just being honest, but we think a lot of honest people on here would agree. My apologies, but this is way out of line. Nobody here has any real idea why he is cheating on his wife. There could be a multitude of reasons His wife could suffer from a debilitating illness which prevents her from enjoying sex or even having sex. Rather than kick her out on the streets like yesterday's garbage, he might have decided that it will be best to have NSA sex here. He might also have decided that bringing this topic up will only upset her because it may be physically impossible for her to change anything anyway. I am not suggesting that this is the case; just that we do not know the whole story I am appalled at the level of intolerance of the so called 'swingers'. In society's eyes, the swinging couples are the lowest of the low And I can't be lumped with the swinging couples as I am a single woman and not in any relationship so if I want, I can have sex with 20 men (or women, or both) every night and that will not be an issue. And I don't have to find my sex partners in swinging clubs; any nite club will do although the risk to me would increase. I might be viewed as a 'slut' but no more than that. Nobody will think of me as sick but they will of, especially, married couples Let the couples try and explain to their friends, families, children, parents, employers, etc. that they pass each other around to other men and women and watch the disgust on their faces!!! He did not ask for opinion about how the hypocritical morals here can be applied to him but about how he could improve his chances of 'getting a lay' He wanted to know where he was going wrong. He got an answer. Not anybodys fault he didn't like it. " You went overboard. If you don't approve that's fair enough but you and some others here felt it your duty to rip him to shreds. Not cool. | |||
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"... We agree, it is the lowest of the low. Lower than the dog in the street. Just being honest, but we think a lot of honest people on here would agree. My apologies, but this is way out of line. Nobody here has any real idea why he is cheating on his wife. There could be a multitude of reasons His wife could suffer from a debilitating illness which prevents her from enjoying sex or even having sex. Rather than kick her out on the streets like yesterday's garbage, he might have decided that it will be best to have NSA sex here. He might also have decided that bringing this topic up will only upset her because it may be physically impossible for her to change anything anyway. I am not suggesting that this is the case; just that we do not know the whole story I am appalled at the level of intolerance of the so called 'swingers'. In society's eyes, the swinging couples are the lowest of the low And I can't be lumped with the swinging couples as I am a single woman and not in any relationship so if I want, I can have sex with 20 men (or women, or both) every night and that will not be an issue. And I don't have to find my sex partners in swinging clubs; any nite club will do although the risk to me would increase. I might be viewed as a 'slut' but no more than that. Nobody will think of me as sick but they will of, especially, married couples Let the couples try and explain to their friends, families, children, parents, employers, etc. that they pass each other around to other men and women and watch the disgust on their faces!!! He did not ask for opinion about how the hypocritical morals here can be applied to him but about how he could improve his chances of 'getting a lay' He wanted to know where he was going wrong. He got an answer. Not anybodys fault he didn't like it. You went overboard. If you don't approve that's fair enough but you and some others here felt it your duty to rip him to shreds. Not cool." I didn't rip him to Shreds!! He asked a question on an open forum and I answered it, it's about time people on here manned up. If you behave in a certain way people are probably going to give you some shit. If your cheating get on with it don't come on to an open forum and bemoan the fact nobody wants to meet you | |||
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"... If your cheating get on with it don't come on to an open forum and bemoan the fact nobody wants to meet you" Why not? I would meet him if he is tall, fit, attractive and shows me a good time before and after sex. I haven't come to a swingers site to find the love of my life and neither has he. Maybe others have and they are welcome to it and they should give him and me a wide berth and get on with their romance Most swinging couples who hide their lifestyle and make up stories for the whole world are liars. So why this hatred towards cheats only? If I was in a relationship I would hate it whether he was a liar or cheat, as these two nasties usually go hand-in-hand
The OP did not ask for anyone's opinion on the choices he has made. He asked how he could improve his chances within the constraints of his circumstances. Just like a very ugly man would find it difficult to attract women merely by putting up a profile here. His profile will have to work harder than others except for where there are women who madly desire very ugly men
I detest the holier than though especially when they hunt in packs! The Church I attend is filled with these kind of creeps | |||
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"... If your cheating get on with it don't come on to an open forum and bemoan the fact nobody wants to meet you Why not? I would meet him if he is tall, fit, attractive and shows me a good time before and after sex. I haven't come to a swingers site to find the love of my life and neither has he. Maybe others have and they are welcome to it and they should give him and me a wide berth and get on with their romance Most swinging couples who hide their lifestyle and make up stories for the whole world are liars. So why this hatred towards cheats only? If I was in a relationship I would hate it whether he was a liar or cheat, as these two nasties usually go hand-in-hand
The OP did not ask for anyone's opinion on the choices he has made. He asked how he could improve his chances within the constraints of his circumstances. Just like a very ugly man would find it difficult to attract women merely by putting up a profile here. His profile will have to work harder than others except for where there are women who madly desire very ugly men
I detest the holier than though especially when they hunt in packs! The Church I attend is filled with these kind of creeps"Ok so even though it's an open forem and he's asked a question I'm not allowed to give an answer that's pretty much spot on? As for swinging couples.. They aren't hurting anyone, a cheating spouse is. | |||
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"... As for swinging couples.. They aren't hurting anyone, a cheating spouse is. " Their children? Other children in their schools, just like here, will hunt in packs too
I only brought up swinging couples and the fact that some or many are liars because some or many of them took it upon themselves to flog this guy public. Otherwise, what they do and the consequences they or their children will or may face is none of my business
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"... As for swinging couples.. They aren't hurting anyone, a cheating spouse is. Their children? Other children in their schools, just like here, will hunt in packs too
I only brought up swinging couples and the fact that some or many are liars because some or many of them took it upon themselves to flog this guy public. Otherwise, what they do and the consequences they or their children will or may face is none of my business
People in glass houses ..... "That is completely different and you know it. I'm a single female with no children. I don't hide the fact I'm a swinger. I don't shout it from the rooftops because it's my private life but if someone finds out then nevermind. I know it's different with children but it's not the end of the world if they found out and why on earth would it affect children in their school?!!!. Finding out your spouse has been meeting people off the internet for sex behind your back would be the end of the world for some people, it can ruin lives. | |||
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"... As for swinging couples.. They aren't hurting anyone, a cheating spouse is. Their children? Other children in their schools, just like here, will hunt in packs too
I only brought up swinging couples and the fact that some or many are liars because some or many of them took it upon themselves to flog this guy public. Otherwise, what they do and the consequences they or their children will or may face is none of my business
People in glass houses .....
That is completely different and you know it. I'm a single female with no children. I don't hide the fact I'm a swinger. I don't shout it from the rooftops because it's my private life but if someone finds out then nevermind. I know it's different with children but it's not the end of the world if they found out and why on earth would it affect children in their school?!!!. Finding out your spouse has been meeting people off the internet for sex behind your back would be the end of the world for some people, it can ruin lives. "Did I say that you were lying??? No, I did not!!! We are going off-topic. The OP asked a simple question. The moral pack over here decided to tear chunks out of him because he is cheating on his wife. They didn't ask or care why he might be cheating on her. There are many valid reasons to do so!!! Just like, married couples who have sex with groups in gang-bangs, lie about their activities when casually asked by their parents, colleagues etc as to what they did over the weekend. If cheating is cheating then lying is lying; period You or I do not have to be deceitful. I am a woman living the the 21st century, single, not in any relationship, no children, who has causal sex by getting picked up in nite clubs, swingers clubs, swingers and sex sites; it is no big deal. And I have given truthful answers to the question, "what did you do over the weekend?" I do not have children but I have tons of nieces and nephews and I know how cruel children can be to each other. Much more than the pack has been to the OP here!!! So let us not put our heads in the sand and pretend that some couples are not hurting anyone with their deceit. But I don't see anyone here flogging them for that. So, why the double standards? | |||
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"... As for swinging couples.. They aren't hurting anyone, a cheating spouse is. Their children? Other children in their schools, just like here, will hunt in packs too
I only brought up swinging couples and the fact that some or many are liars because some or many of them took it upon themselves to flog this guy public. Otherwise, what they do and the consequences they or their children will or may face is none of my business
People in glass houses .....
That is completely different and you know it. I'm a single female with no children. I don't hide the fact I'm a swinger. I don't shout it from the rooftops because it's my private life but if someone finds out then nevermind. I know it's different with children but it's not the end of the world if they found out and why on earth would it affect children in their school?!!!. Finding out your spouse has been meeting people off the internet for sex behind your back would be the end of the world for some people, it can ruin lives.
Did I say that you were lying??? No, I did not!!!
We are going off-topic. The OP asked a simple question. The moral pack over here decided to tear chunks out of him because he is cheating on his wife. They didn't ask or care why he might be cheating on her. There are many valid reasons to do so!!! Just like, married couples who have sex with groups in gang-bangs, lie about their activities when casually asked by their parents, colleagues etc as to what they did over the weekend. If cheating is cheating then lying is lying; period
You or I do not have to be deceitful. I am a woman living the the 21st century, single, not in any relationship, no children, who has causal sex by getting picked up in nite clubs, swingers clubs, swingers and sex sites; it is no big deal. And I have given truthful answers to the question, "what did you do over the weekend?"
I do not have children but I have tons of nieces and nephews and I know how cruel children can be to each other. Much more than the pack has been to the OP here!!!
So let us not put our heads in the sand and pretend that some couples are not hurting anyone with their deceit. But I don't see anyone here flogging them for that. So, why the double standards?"There is no valid reason for cheating. | |||
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"... As for swinging couples.. They aren't hurting anyone, a cheating spouse is. Their children? Other children in their schools, just like here, will hunt in packs too
I only brought up swinging couples and the fact that some or many are liars because some or many of them took it upon themselves to flog this guy public. Otherwise, what they do and the consequences they or their children will or may face is none of my business
People in glass houses .....
That is completely different and you know it. I'm a single female with no children. I don't hide the fact I'm a swinger. I don't shout it from the rooftops because it's my private life but if someone finds out then nevermind. I know it's different with children but it's not the end of the world if they found out and why on earth would it affect children in their school?!!!. Finding out your spouse has been meeting people off the internet for sex behind your back would be the end of the world for some people, it can ruin lives.
Did I say that you were lying??? No, I did not!!!
We are going off-topic. The OP asked a simple question. The moral pack over here decided to tear chunks out of him because he is cheating on his wife. They didn't ask or care why he might be cheating on her. There are many valid reasons to do so!!! Just like, married couples who have sex with groups in gang-bangs, lie about their activities when casually asked by their parents, colleagues etc as to what they did over the weekend. If cheating is cheating then lying is lying; period
You or I do not have to be deceitful. I am a woman living the the 21st century, single, not in any relationship, no children, who has causal sex by getting picked up in nite clubs, swingers clubs, swingers and sex sites; it is no big deal. And I have given truthful answers to the question, "what did you do over the weekend?"
I do not have children but I have tons of nieces and nephews and I know how cruel children can be to each other. Much more than the pack has been to the OP here!!!
So let us not put our heads in the sand and pretend that some couples are not hurting anyone with their deceit. But I don't see anyone here flogging them for that. So, why the double standards?"Your reasoning is totally flawed but that's your opinion so cracking on, we're going off topic as you said | |||
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"..... Your reasoning is totally flawed but that's your opinion so cracking on, we're going off topic as you said" Except that nobody is pointing out the 'flaws' in the comparator used by me; liars vs cheats But I do sincerely hope that atleast one of those people who mounted their high-horse of morality and ridiculed the OP, has the courage and decency to send him a private message and unreservedly apologise to him for their hypocrisy | |||
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"..... Your reasoning is totally flawed but that's your opinion so cracking on, we're going off topic as you said Except that nobody is pointing out the 'flaws' in the comparator used by me; liars vs cheats But I do sincerely hope that atleast one of those people who mounted their high-horse of morality and ridiculed the OP, has the courage and decency to send him a private message and unreservedly apologise to him for their hypocrisy" I commented on his cheating and i don't feel i have anything to apologise for. And i'm certainly not a hypocrite for saying so. | |||
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"..... Your reasoning is totally flawed but that's your opinion so cracking on, we're going off topic as you said Except that nobody is pointing out the 'flaws' in the comparator used by me; liars vs cheats But I do sincerely hope that atleast one of those people who mounted their high-horse of morality and ridiculed the OP, has the courage and decency to send him a private message and unreservedly apologise to him for their hypocrisy" Sorry if I'm being a bit thick but how am I being a hypocrite? Also if your that ashamed of this lifestyle why are you Here? | |||
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"People. Not each and every one of you is guilty of deceit and hypocrisy or even of insulting the OP here. Those who are, know it. As I do and others reading this thread do too What lies anyone here feeds their children, their parents, their colleagues, their employers, their neighbours, their parish priest, their friends and families is their business and not mine nor anyone else's I simply wanted to draw a comparison because I wanted to show them a mirror with their reflection in it After my pet hate of men who do not read my profile properly, are the hypocrites. They live in an alternate reality where they re-define their character flaws into qualities and then form a gang to pat each other on the back. Or if they can't re-define a lie then they plead mitigating circumstances. However, they did not even want to understand the circumstances in which the OP finds himself where he feels necessary (justifiably or unjustifiably) to cheat on his wife. And in any case, that was not his query Good luck to you all; the liars, the cheats, swingers, whatevers. It does NOT bother me in the least bit who or what you are. I am here just to have fun and lots of casual sex
And whilst I will not like to adopt some of those traits, I have no problems meeting those who are proud to do so "Ok so surely your a lier too then by your standards | |||
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"People. Not each and every one of you is guilty of deceit and hypocrisy or even of insulting the OP here. Those who are, know it. As I do and others reading this thread do too What lies anyone here feeds their children, their parents, their colleagues, their employers, their neighbours, their parish priest, their friends and families is their business and not mine nor anyone else's I simply wanted to draw a comparison because I wanted to show them a mirror with their reflection in it After my pet hate of men who do not read my profile properly, are the hypocrites. They live in an alternate reality where they re-define their character flaws into qualities and then form a gang to pat each other on the back. Or if they can't re-define a lie then they plead mitigating circumstances. However, they did not even want to understand the circumstances in which the OP finds himself where he feels necessary (justifiably or unjustifiably) to cheat on his wife. And in any case, that was not his query Good luck to you all; the liars, the cheats, swingers, whatevers. It does NOT bother me in the least bit who or what you are. I am here just to have fun and lots of casual sex
And whilst I will not like to adopt some of those traits, I have no problems meeting those who are proud to do so "Preach!!! | |||
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"..... Your reasoning is totally flawed but that's your opinion so cracking on, we're going off topic as you said Except that nobody is pointing out the 'flaws' in the comparator used by me; liars vs cheats But I do sincerely hope that atleast one of those people who mounted their high-horse of morality and ridiculed the OP, has the courage and decency to send him a private message and unreservedly apologise to him for their hypocrisy Sorry if I'm being a bit thick but how am I being a hypocrite? Also if your that ashamed of this lifestyle why are you Here?" Yes, you are being thick now. Go point out where I said that I am ashamed of anything. Why should I be ashamed? I neither lie nor cheat What 'lifestyle'??? I am here to get fucked by men and women and couples | |||
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"... Ok so surely your a lier too then by your standards "You have completely lost me now. What am I lying about and to whom? | |||
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"... Ok so surely your a lier too then by your standards You have completely lost me now. What am I lying about and to whom?"Your lting About having casual sex with people from the internet to your friends, boss, priest! Or do you tell them everything? | |||
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"... Ok so surely your a lier too then by your standards You have completely lost me now. What am I lying about and to whom?
Your lting About having casual sex with people from the internet to your friends, boss, priest! Or do you tell them everything?"My priest knows that I am single and bisexual A few times, when one or the other colleague has inquired about my weekend, I have given them sketchy details of meeting someone at a nite club or swingers club and ending up in a hotel room Am I missing something here? Why on Earth would I lie about any of this to anybody? True, I do not have a revolving neon sign on my head counting up the number of sex partners I had on any given weekend. Er, do you? | |||
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"... Ok so surely your a lier too then by your standards You have completely lost me now. What am I lying about and to whom?
Your lting About having casual sex with people from the internet to your friends, boss, priest! Or do you tell them everything?
My priest knows that I am single and bisexual
A few times, when one or the other colleague has inquired about my weekend, I have given them sketchy details of meeting someone at a nite club or swingers club and ending up in a hotel room
Am I missing something here? Why on Earth would I lie about any of this to anybody?
True, I do not have a revolving neon sign on my head counting up the number of sex partners I had on any given weekend. Er, do you? "No, I'm exactly the same as you! So why are you calling me a hypocrite? | |||
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"... Ok so surely your a lier too then by your standards You have completely lost me now. What am I lying about and to whom?
Your lting About having casual sex with people from the internet to your friends, boss, priest! Or do you tell them everything?
My priest knows that I am single and bisexual
A few times, when one or the other colleague has inquired about my weekend, I have given them sketchy details of meeting someone at a nite club or swingers club and ending up in a hotel room
Am I missing something here? Why on Earth would I lie about any of this to anybody?
True, I do not have a revolving neon sign on my head counting up the number of sex partners I had on any given weekend. Er, do you?
No, I'm exactly the same as you! So why are you calling me a hypocrite?"I didn't call you one at all. Why would I say a silly thing like that? I called the married couples who lie, hypocrites | |||
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"lol see how it turned here, you gotta love the married threads ". Who gives a monkeys if ladies and men on here are married ? . Just sayin | |||
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"lol see how it turned here, you gotta love the married threads .
Who gives a monkeys if ladies and men on here are married ? . Just sayin "Er.....several people in this thread? | |||
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"lol see how it turned here, you gotta love the married threads .
Who gives a monkeys if ladies and men on here are married ? . Just sayin
Er.....several people in this thread?"very sexy kitty xx | |||
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"lol see how it turned here, you gotta love the married threads .
Who gives a monkeys if ladies and men on here are married ? . Just sayin "I like married women to | |||
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"It annoys me when people refer to other people 'hunting in packs' on here, I only ever give my own opinion, it hasn't been biased or suggested by others "
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"People. Not each and every one of you is guilty of deceit and hypocrisy or even of insulting the OP here. Those who are, know it. As I do and others reading this thread do too What lies anyone here feeds their children, their parents, their colleagues, their employers, their neighbours, their parish priest, their friends and families is their business and not mine nor anyone else's I simply wanted to draw a comparison because I wanted to show them a mirror with their reflection in it After my pet hate of men who do not read my profile properly, are the hypocrites. They live in an alternate reality where they re-define their character flaws into qualities and then form a gang to pat each other on the back. Or if they can't re-define a lie then they plead mitigating circumstances. However, they did not even want to understand the circumstances in which the OP finds himself where he feels necessary (justifiably or unjustifiably) to cheat on his wife. And in any case, that was not his query Good luck to you all; the liars, the cheats, swingers, whatevers. It does NOT bother me in the least bit who or what you are. I am here just to have fun and lots of casual sex
And whilst I will not like to adopt some of those traits, I have no problems meeting those who are proud to do so "there is a difference. No one promises their children, neighbours, teachers, parish priests etc sexual fidelity, it isn't an assumed condition of entering into your relationship with them so by not telling them that you are having sex with people other than your partner you are not breaking any promise you made to them or any thing they could reasonably assume was a condition of your relationship with them. | |||
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"People. Not each and every one of you is guilty of deceit and hypocrisy or even of insulting the OP here. Those who are, know it. As I do and others reading this thread do too What lies anyone here feeds their children, their parents, their colleagues, their employers, their neighbours, their parish priest, their friends and families is their business and not mine nor anyone else's I simply wanted to draw a comparison because I wanted to show them a mirror with their reflection in it After my pet hate of men who do not read my profile properly, are the hypocrites. They live in an alternate reality where they re-define their character flaws into qualities and then form a gang to pat each other on the back. Or if they can't re-define a lie then they plead mitigating circumstances. However, they did not even want to understand the circumstances in which the OP finds himself where he feels necessary (justifiably or unjustifiably) to cheat on his wife. And in any case, that was not his query Good luck to you all; the liars, the cheats, swingers, whatevers. It does NOT bother me in the least bit who or what you are. I am here just to have fun and lots of casual sex
And whilst I will not like to adopt some of those traits, I have no problems meeting those who are proud to do so
there is a difference. No one promises their children, neighbours, teachers, parish priests etc sexual fidelity, it isn't an assumed condition of entering into your relationship with them so by not telling them that you are having sex with people other than your partner you are not breaking any promise you made to them or any thing they could reasonably assume was a condition of your relationship with them. "It isn't always cut and dried. Sometimes you try and try and try. It takes all of your heart and soul. Yet the man or woman you fell in love with doesn't notice you any more. No pity seeking I might add, just saying. Sometimes it's the (maybe wrong) choice some people make, rather than say, break up a home. | |||
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"People. Not each and every one of you is guilty of deceit and hypocrisy or even of insulting the OP here. Those who are, know it. As I do and others reading this thread do too What lies anyone here feeds their children, their parents, their colleagues, their employers, their neighbours, their parish priest, their friends and families is their business and not mine nor anyone else's I simply wanted to draw a comparison because I wanted to show them a mirror with their reflection in it After my pet hate of men who do not read my profile properly, are the hypocrites. They live in an alternate reality where they re-define their character flaws into qualities and then form a gang to pat each other on the back. Or if they can't re-define a lie then they plead mitigating circumstances. However, they did not even want to understand the circumstances in which the OP finds himself where he feels necessary (justifiably or unjustifiably) to cheat on his wife. And in any case, that was not his query Good luck to you all; the liars, the cheats, swingers, whatevers. It does NOT bother me in the least bit who or what you are. I am here just to have fun and lots of casual sex
And whilst I will not like to adopt some of those traits, I have no problems meeting those who are proud to do so
there is a difference. No one promises their children, neighbours, teachers, parish priests etc sexual fidelity, it isn't an assumed condition of entering into your relationship with them so by not telling them that you are having sex with people other than your partner you are not breaking any promise you made to them or any thing they could reasonably assume was a condition of your relationship with them.
It isn't always cut and dried.
Sometimes you try and try and try.
It takes all of your heart and soul.
Yet the man or woman you fell in love with doesn't notice you any more.
No pity seeking I might add, just saying.
Sometimes it's the (maybe wrong) choice some people make, rather than say, break up a home.
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"People. Not each and every one of you is guilty of deceit and hypocrisy or even of insulting the OP here. Those who are, know it. As I do and others reading this thread do too What lies anyone here feeds their children, their parents, their colleagues, their employers, their neighbours, their parish priest, their friends and families is their business and not mine nor anyone else's I simply wanted to draw a comparison because I wanted to show them a mirror with their reflection in it After my pet hate of men who do not read my profile properly, are the hypocrites. They live in an alternate reality where they re-define their character flaws into qualities and then form a gang to pat each other on the back. Or if they can't re-define a lie then they plead mitigating circumstances. However, they did not even want to understand the circumstances in which the OP finds himself where he feels necessary (justifiably or unjustifiably) to cheat on his wife. And in any case, that was not his query Good luck to you all; the liars, the cheats, swingers, whatevers. It does NOT bother me in the least bit who or what you are. I am here just to have fun and lots of casual sex
And whilst I will not like to adopt some of those traits, I have no problems meeting those who are proud to do so
there is a difference. No one promises their children, neighbours, teachers, parish priests etc sexual fidelity, it isn't an assumed condition of entering into your relationship with them so by not telling them that you are having sex with people other than your partner you are not breaking any promise you made to them or any thing they could reasonably assume was a condition of your relationship with them.
It isn't always cut and dried.
Sometimes you try and try and try.
It takes all of your heart and soul.
Yet the man or woman you fell in love with doesn't notice you any more.
No pity seeking I might add, just saying.
Sometimes it's the (maybe wrong) choice some people make, rather than say, break up a home.
Is it really a home when parents are cheating?? The cheating spouse may think they are being discrete but most of the time the other knows "Cut the moral dictating and realise that life isn't perfect for everyone. It's full of winding roads and difficult decisions and often people make mistakes. Only human. A kind heart and an open mind over a judgemental view any day. Goodnight. | |||
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" And whilst I will not like to adopt some of those traits, I have no problems meeting those who are proud to do so
there is a difference. No one promises their children, neighbours, teachers, parish priests etc sexual fidelity, it isn't an assumed condition of entering into your relationship with them so by not telling them that you are having sex with people other than your partner you are not breaking any promise you made to them or any thing they could reasonably assume was a condition of your relationship with them.
It isn't always cut and dried.
Sometimes you try and try and try.
It takes all of your heart and soul.
Yet the man or woman you fell in love with doesn't notice you any more.
No pity seeking I might add, just saying.
Sometimes it's the (maybe wrong) choice some people make, rather than say, break up a home.
"O lord I wouldn't presume to comment on your situation I've lived long enough to know that life is never cut and dried. I was responding to the furious accusations of hypocrisy and dubious morals. My position is that as long as people don't try and justify their actions by disrespecting their partner or asking me to be involved what they do is none of my business. | |||
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"People. Not each and every one of you is guilty of deceit and hypocrisy or even of insulting the OP here. Those who are, know it. As I do and others reading this thread do too What lies anyone here feeds their children, their parents, their colleagues, their employers, their neighbours, their parish priest, their friends and families is their business and not mine nor anyone else's I simply wanted to draw a comparison because I wanted to show them a mirror with their reflection in it After my pet hate of men who do not read my profile properly, are the hypocrites. They live in an alternate reality where they re-define their character flaws into qualities and then form a gang to pat each other on the back. Or if they can't re-define a lie then they plead mitigating circumstances. However, they did not even want to understand the circumstances in which the OP finds himself where he feels necessary (justifiably or unjustifiably) to cheat on his wife. And in any case, that was not his query Good luck to you all; the liars, the cheats, swingers, whatevers. It does NOT bother me in the least bit who or what you are. I am here just to have fun and lots of casual sex
And whilst I will not like to adopt some of those traits, I have no problems meeting those who are proud to do so
there is a difference. No one promises their children, neighbours, teachers, parish priests etc sexual fidelity, it isn't an assumed condition of entering into your relationship with them so by not telling them that you are having sex with people other than your partner you are not breaking any promise you made to them or any thing they could reasonably assume was a condition of your relationship with them.
It isn't always cut and dried.
Sometimes you try and try and try.
It takes all of your heart and soul.
Yet the man or woman you fell in love with doesn't notice you any more.
No pity seeking I might add, just saying.
Sometimes it's the (maybe wrong) choice some people make, rather than say, break up a home.
Is it really a home when parents are cheating?? The cheating spouse may think they are being discrete but most of the time the other knows
Cut the moral dictating and realise that life isn't perfect for everyone.
It's full of winding roads and difficult decisions and often people make mistakes. Only human.
A kind heart and an open mind over a judgemental view any day.
Goodnight."Alright!! I wasn't dictating I was making a point from past experiences! I'm sorry for your situation / experience but I was just sharing mine | |||
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"... and forsaking all others ... White lie: a minor or unimportant lie Those wedding vows must have been pretty minor or unimportant then
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" You don't say that in the registry office. You assume too much about other people and call their honesty in to question too easily." Likewise
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" You don't say that in the registry office. You assume too much about other people and call their honesty in to question too easily. Likewise
People here assumed that the OP was cheating just because he is married and that is wife in not a swinger. Did anyone ask whether he was cheating and the reasons why? It could have been a 'white cheat' just like there are 'white lies' "There's no such thing as a 'white cheat' and if his wife was ok with it he wouldn't say she was passionless | |||
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" You don't say that in the registry office. You assume too much about other people and call their honesty in to question too easily. Likewise
People here assumed that the OP was cheating just because he is married and that is wife in not a swinger. Did anyone ask whether he was cheating and the reasons why? It could have been a 'white cheat' just like there are 'white lies' "I haven't assumed anything or called anyone's honesty into question. Read back through my posts. What I'm saying is that your insistence that people are hypocrites and liars is as bad as other peoples insistence is that the op is in the wrong | |||
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" There's no such thing as a 'white cheat' and if his wife was ok with it he wouldn't say she was passionless " Really? Says who? In my world people are either honest or dishonest. Just like over here people are either cheats or saintly
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" There's no such thing as a 'white cheat' and if his wife was ok with it he wouldn't say she was passionless Really? Says who? In my world people are either honest or dishonest. Just like over here people are either cheats or saintly
She might be passionless and he may also have got married in a registry office where one makes no promises to remain sexually faithful "Do you know what? Just believe whatever you like, your twisting everything everyone says and still don't make any sense, so have lots of fun and i hope you don't run into angry wives when you fuck their husbands | |||
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" There's no such thing as a 'white cheat' and if his wife was ok with it he wouldn't say she was passionless Really? Says who? In my world people are either honest or dishonest. Just like over here people are either cheats or saintly
She might be passionless and he may also have got married in a registry office where one makes no promises to remain sexually faithful "The point is...and you are deliberately misunderstanding or interpreting for your own purposes...that when you marry or enter into a long term relationship that you expect that relationship to be monogamous unless you negotiate between you for it to be otherwise. That is where the honesty part comes in. Now none of us know what goes on in the ops relationship so we can't comment but you don't know what goes on in anyone else's relationship either. | |||
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"... have lots of fun and i hope you don't run into angry wives when you fuck their husbands" That is an issue to be resolved within a marriage, I suppose. I do not concern myself with other people's business or arrangements By the way, I have already once run into an angry wife at a swinger's club. I suspected that they were a couple when I saw them but he approached me and told me that she was just a fuck buddy Him and I went upstairs and a few minutes later she walks up spouting all kinds of abuse at him Apparently, their arrangement was that they would only ever be with another woman, together. Fine, I said, have him to yourself. There were plenty more where he/they came from | |||
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" The point is...and you are deliberately misunderstanding or interpreting for your own purposes...that when you marry or enter into a long term relationship that you expect that relationship to be monogamous unless you negotiate between you for it to be otherwise. That is where the honesty part comes in. Now none of us know what goes on in the ops relationship so we can't comment but you don't know what goes on in anyone else's relationship either." Honesty is a universal concept and not just between identified parties. When two people start telling lies to others then they are called liars and not, 'white liars', 'almost white-liars' or 'semi-white-liars' Now, perceived realities can be twisted whichever way people see fit here to suit themselves and make themselves feel better. However, universal concepts, just like the laws of Physics, remain unaltered | |||
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" The point is...and you are deliberately misunderstanding or interpreting for your own purposes...that when you marry or enter into a long term relationship that you expect that relationship to be monogamous unless you negotiate between you for it to be otherwise. That is where the honesty part comes in. Now none of us know what goes on in the ops relationship so we can't comment but you don't know what goes on in anyone else's relationship either. Honesty is a universal concept and not just between identified parties. When two people start telling lies to others then they are called liars and not, 'white liars', 'almost white-liars' or 'semi-white-liars' Now, perceived realities can be twisted whichever way people see fit here to suit themselves and make themselves feel better. However, universal concepts, just like the laws of Physics, remain unaltered" Ok. You and I will never agree. Lets leave it there. | |||
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" Ok. You and I will never agree. Lets leave it there. " I am happy with whatever everyone else here is happy with I am just unhappy at the lack of empathy a lot have people (not suggesting you or any particular couple or single) have shown towards the OP. Sad, isn't it  | |||
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" Ok. You and I will never agree. Lets leave it there. I am happy with whatever everyone else here is happy with I am just unhappy at the lack of empathy a lot have people (not suggesting you or any particular couple or single) have shown towards the OP. Sad, isn't it " | |||
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" Ok. You and I will never agree. Lets leave it there. I am happy with whatever everyone else here is happy with I am just unhappy at the lack of empathy a lot have people (not suggesting you or any particular couple or single) have shown towards the OP. Sad, isn't it "Yes it is but if you read the forums you will see a general lack of empathy, tolerance and a judgemental attitude from many people. Not just where questions like this arise but towards appearance, sexual preferences and many other things. Discussion is good even if we never come to common ground. | |||
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".. We agree, it is the lowest of the low. Lower than the dog in the street. Just being honest, but we think a lot of honest people on here would agree. My apologies, but this is way out of line. Nobody here has any real idea why he is cheating on his wife. There could be a multitude of reasons His wife could suffer from a debilitating illness which prevents her from enjoying sex or even having sex. Rather than kick her out on the streets like yesterday's garbage, he might have decided that it will be best to have NSA sex here. He might also have decided that bringing this topic up will only upset her because it may be physically impossible for her to change anything anyway. I am not suggesting that this is the case; just that we do not know the whole story I am appalled at the level of intolerance of the so called 'swingers'. In society's eyes, the swinging couples are the lowest of the low And I can't be lumped with the swinging couples as I am a single woman and not in any relationship so if I want, I can have sex with 20 men (or women, or both) every night and that will not be an issue. And I don't have to find my sex partners in swinging clubs; any nite club will do although the risk to me would increase. I might be viewed as a 'slut' but no more than that. Nobody will think of me as sick but they will of, especially, married couples Let the couples try and explain to their friends, families, children, parents, employers, etc. that they pass each other around to other men and women and watch the disgust on their faces!!! He did not ask for opinion about how the hypocritical morals here can be applied to him but about how he could improve his chances of 'getting a lay'" I do agree | |||
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"Tried to contact several ladies local to me (or within a 30 minutes or so drive). I carefully read their profile, and then send them an email (not a one liner), with a respectable photograph, and I receive no response. Many just delete the email! How do you get to meet anyone on this site as I'm having no luck whatsoever! Is it just a case of there are 10 times more men on this site, and the ladies can be fussy? Help!" Same here mate just the site nice guys finish last. | |||
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"Tried to contact several ladies local to me (or within a 30 minutes or so drive). I carefully read their profile, and then send them an email (not a one liner), with a respectable photograph, and I receive no response. Many just delete the email! How do you get to meet anyone on this site as I'm having no luck whatsoever! Is it just a case of there are 10 times more men on this site, and the ladies can be fussy? Help!" belive me mate I no how u feel u write a message (a bloody waste of effort) u hardly get any replies either deleted or no answer not even a no thanks.its all the dam time wasters that ruin it for genuinely interested guys. | |||
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"Tried to contact several ladies local to me (or within a 30 minutes or so drive). I carefully read their profile, and then send them an email (not a one liner), with a respectable photograph, and I receive no response. Many just delete the email! How do you get to meet anyone on this site as I'm having no luck whatsoever! Is it just a case of there are 10 times more men on this site, and the ladies can be fussy? Help! belive me mate I no how u feel u write a message (a bloody waste of effort) u hardly get any replies either deleted or no answer not even a no thanks.its all the dam time wasters that ruin it for genuinely interested guys. "A time waster is a woman who doesnt show up for an arranged meet. Someone who doesnt reply to you is just not attracted to you. She's not a time waster. | |||
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"Tried to contact several ladies local to me (or within a 30 minutes or so drive). I carefully read their profile, and then send them an email (not a one liner), with a respectable photograph, and I receive no response. Many just delete the email! How do you get to meet anyone on this site as I'm having no luck whatsoever! Is it just a case of there are 10 times more men on this site, and the ladies can be fussy? Help! belive me mate I no how u feel u write a message (a bloody waste of effort) u hardly get any replies either deleted or no answer not even a no thanks.its all the dam time wasters that ruin it for genuinely interested guys.
A time waster is a woman who doesnt show up for an arranged meet. Someone who doesnt reply to you is just not attracted to you. She's not a time waster."?? I meant the fakes on here..mite of wrote that a bit wrong | |||
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"thats that explained clearly for even the stupidest of us thanks hun
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"thats that explained clearly for even the stupidest of us thanks hun
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I live to bring clarity to others "Lol damn woman I need a lot of clarity in my head as my random forum posts will attest to him | |||
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"Tried to contact several ladies local to me (or within a 30 minutes or so drive). I carefully read their profile, and then send them an email (not a one liner), with a respectable photograph, and I receive no response. Many just delete the email! How do you get to meet anyone on this site as I'm having no luck whatsoever! Is it just a case of there are 10 times more men on this site, and the ladies can be fussy? Help! belive me mate I no how u feel u write a message (a bloody waste of effort) u hardly get any replies either deleted or no answer not even a no thanks.its all the dam time wasters that ruin it for genuinely interested guys.
A time waster is a woman who doesnt show up for an arranged meet. Someone who doesnt reply to you is just not attracted to you. She's not a time waster.?? I meant the fakes on here..mite of wrote that a bit wrong "Also, just because someone doesnt say no thanks, doesnt make them a bad person. It makes them a busy person with real lives and jobs and family and friends. Dont dwell on it and just move on. | |||
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"thats that explained clearly for even the stupidest of us thanks hun
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Lol damn woman I need a lot of clarity in my head as my random forum posts will attest to
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"Tried to contact several ladies local to me (or within a 30 minutes or so drive). I carefully read their profile, and then send them an email (not a one liner), with a respectable photograph, and I receive no response. Many just delete the email! How do you get to meet anyone on this site as I'm having no luck whatsoever! Is it just a case of there are 10 times more men on this site, and the ladies can be fussy? Help! belive me mate I no how u feel u write a message (a bloody waste of effort) u hardly get any replies either deleted or no answer not even a no thanks.its all the dam time wasters that ruin it for genuinely interested guys.
A time waster is a woman who doesnt show up for an arranged meet. Someone who doesnt reply to you is just not attracted to you. She's not a time waster.?? I meant the fakes on here..mite of wrote that a bit wrong
Also, just because someone doesnt say no thanks, doesnt make them a bad person. It makes them a busy person with real lives and jobs and family and friends. Dont dwell on it and just move on."I no but the effort I put into those messages lol its a swingers site u can't be expecting something straight away. | |||
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"12-4am are my office hours. Clap away." love to eat your arse xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | |||
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"12-4am are my office hours. Clap away. love to eat your arse xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" Charming | |||
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"12-4am are my office hours. Clap away. love to eat your arse xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Charming " | |||
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" You don't say that in the registry office. You assume too much about other people and call their honesty in to question too easily. Likewise
People here assumed that the OP was cheating just because he is married and that is wife in not a swinger. Did anyone ask whether he was cheating and the reasons why? It could have been a 'white cheat' just like there are 'white lies' "If they don't want to fuck him, why would they want to? They're as uninterested in his home circumstances as they are in him. The conversation would be pointless...they're not his friends but strangers on an Internet sex site...equally, if his reasons wouldn't change their minds, what would be the point? We have no moral standpoint on it because we would be hypocritical for lots of reasons, but meeting people in relationships is often difficult to the point of tedium... | |||
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"Wow! Does nobody read the profile before saying take it you're married etc. .. It's all on there! Each to their own preferences and boundaries but do people have to be so judgemental ? This is a swinging community and in a place where we find you can't be open about your sex life for fear of being judged harshly I think it's a bit sad that some are so quick to judge others reasons for being on here. At least he is being honest. .. so many "single"people aren't! ! Your personal life is just that. If you don't like someone's boundaries. . Move on As to your profile I think it's good but you need some public pics. . Subtle body shots always good. Good luck "I imagine that he changed it following the outcome of this thread? | |||
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"Wow! Does nobody read the profile before saying take it you're married etc. .. It's all on there! Each to their own preferences and boundaries but do people have to be so judgemental ? This is a swinging community and in a place where we find you can't be open about your sex life for fear of being judged harshly I think it's a bit sad that some are so quick to judge others reasons for being on here. At least he is being honest. .. so many "single"people aren't! ! Your personal life is just that. If you don't like someone's boundaries. . Move on As to your profile I think it's good but you need some public pics. . Subtle body shots always good. Good luck
I imagine that he changed it following the outcome of this thread? "He did indeed change it once he admitted in the thread that he was married. Originally he actually stated he was single. | |||
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"Wow! Does nobody read the profile before saying take it you're married etc. .. It's all on there! Each to their own preferences and boundaries but do people have to be so judgemental ? This is a swinging community and in a place where we find you can't be open about your sex life for fear of being judged harshly I think it's a bit sad that some are so quick to judge others reasons for being on here. At least he is being honest. .. so many "single"people aren't! ! Your personal life is just that. If you don't like someone's boundaries. . Move on As to your profile I think it's good but you need some public pics. . Subtle body shots always good. Good luck
I imagine that he changed it following the outcome of this thread?
He did indeed change it once he admitted in the thread that he was married. Originally he actually stated he was single."wish u were closer xx | |||
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"Wow! Does nobody read the profile before saying take it you're married etc. .. It's all on there! Each to their own preferences and boundaries but do people have to be so judgemental ? This is a swinging community and in a place where we find you can't be open about your sex life for fear of being judged harshly I think it's a bit sad that some are so quick to judge others reasons for being on here. At least he is being honest. .. so many "single"people aren't! ! Your personal life is just that. If you don't like someone's boundaries. . Move on As to your profile I think it's good but you need some public pics. . Subtle body shots always good. Good luck
I imagine that he changed it following the outcome of this thread?
He did indeed change it once he admitted in the thread that he was married. Originally he actually stated he was single.
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"No - at no point have I ever stated I was single. " But you didn't put the I'm married im married bit on your profile until half way through this thread did you? | |||
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"No - at no point have I ever stated I was single. But you didn't put the I'm married im married bit on your profile until half way through this thread did you? " To be fair you were not up front about being married until challenged, and after all that you changed your profile. You made no mention of a partner in your initial profile. Shame you feel the need to cheat rather than being honest with her, however as you have seen, some people aren't bothered about cheating. | |||
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"... We agree, it is the lowest of the low. Lower than the dog in the street. Just being honest, but we think a lot of honest people on here would agree. My apologies, but this is way out of line. Nobody here has any real idea why he is cheating on his wife. There could be a multitude of reasons His wife could suffer from a debilitating illness which prevents her from enjoying sex or even having sex. Rather than kick her out on the streets like yesterday's garbage, he might have decided that it will be best to have NSA sex here. He might also have decided that bringing this topic up will only upset her because it may be physically impossible for her to change anything anyway. I am not suggesting that this is the case; just that we do not know the whole story I am appalled at the level of intolerance of the so called 'swingers'. In society's eyes, the swinging couples are the lowest of the low And I can't be lumped with the swinging couples as I am a single woman and not in any relationship so if I want, I can have sex with 20 men (or women, or both) every night and that will not be an issue. And I don't have to find my sex partners in swinging clubs; any nite club will do although the risk to me would increase. I might be viewed as a 'slut' but no more than that. Nobody will think of me as sick but they will of, especially, married couples Let the couples try and explain to their friends, families, children, parents, employers, etc. that they pass each other around to other men and women and watch the disgust on their faces!!! He did not ask for opinion about how the hypocritical morals here can be applied to him but about how he could improve his chances of 'getting a lay'" Well put,an enlightened, non judgemental human being. A real diamond on here,take a bow. D | |||
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"... We agree, it is the lowest of the low. Lower than the dog in the street. Just being honest, but we think a lot of honest people on here would agree. My apologies, but this is way out of line. Nobody here has any real idea why he is cheating on his wife. There could be a multitude of reasons His wife could suffer from a debilitating illness which prevents her from enjoying sex or even having sex. Rather than kick her out on the streets like yesterday's garbage, he might have decided that it will be best to have NSA sex here. He might also have decided that bringing this topic up will only upset her because it may be physically impossible for her to change anything anyway. I am not suggesting that this is the case; just that we do not know the whole story I am appalled at the level of intolerance of the so called 'swingers'. In society's eyes, the swinging couples are the lowest of the low And I can't be lumped with the swinging couples as I am a single woman and not in any relationship so if I want, I can have sex with 20 men (or women, or both) every night and that will not be an issue. And I don't have to find my sex partners in swinging clubs; any nite club will do although the risk to me would increase. I might be viewed as a 'slut' but no more than that. Nobody will think of me as sick but they will of, especially, married couples Let the couples try and explain to their friends, families, children, parents, employers, etc. that they pass each other around to other men and women and watch the disgust on their faces!!! He did not ask for opinion about how the hypocritical morals here can be applied to him but about how he could improve his chances of 'getting a lay' Well put,an enlightened, non judgemental human being. A real diamond on here,take a bow. D" | |||
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"cheating is cheating end off their is no excuse for it each to their own but for me personally i wont have anything to do with a liar or a cheat" Absolutely spot on. | |||
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"Friend some of these women truly believe they are the bees knees Vulgarity abusive and rough spring to mind, the woman that said your probably ugly well have you seen the state of some of the people on here Talk about delusions of grandure yes your right there's hundreds of guys on here that will stick it into anything and I guess they let them Lot of people on here are very over confident and self obsessed I have met some nice normal women too ,, keep trying " So because I don't believe cheating is a part of swinging I'm full of myself and not normal?!! | |||
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"Friend some of these women truly believe they are the bees knees Vulgarity abusive and rough spring to mind, the woman that said your probably ugly well have you seen the state of some of the people on here Talk about delusions of grandure yes your right there's hundreds of guys on here that will stick it into anything and I guess they let them Lot of people on here are very over confident and self obsessed I have met some nice normal women too ,, keep trying So because I don't believe cheating is a part of swinging I'm full of myself and not normal?!! "Ignore them mate. Cheating has never been part of swinging and nor should it be. This site is called Fabswingers, not Fabcheaters. | |||
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"Heads up, the moral police are here, each to their own I say." Typical single guy's reply. Whether it is each to there own or not, cheating is not right. | |||
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"Heads up, the moral police are here, each to their own I say. Typical single guy's reply. Whether it is each to there own or not, cheating is not right." I know, but the sex is more amazing with someone that are cheating | |||
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"Heads up, the moral police are here, each to their own I say. Typical single guy's reply. Whether it is each to there own or not, cheating is not right.I know, but the sex is more amazing with someone that are cheating "Like we said, typical single guy's reply. PS. Do you mean someone that IS cheating?? | |||
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"Heads up, the moral police are here, each to their own I say. Typical single guy's reply. Whether it is each to there own or not, cheating is not right.I know, but the sex is more amazing with someone that are cheating
Like we said, typical single guy's reply.
PS. Do you mean someone that IS cheating??"WEll typical "some" couple to moan about cheaters aint it? And yes meant that someone that is cheating I meant. | |||
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"Heads up, the moral police are here, each to their own I say. Typical single guy's reply. Whether it is each to there own or not, cheating is not right.I know, but the sex is more amazing with someone that are cheating
Like we said, typical single guy's reply.
PS. Do you mean someone that IS cheating??WEll typical "some" couple to moan about cheaters aint it?
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"Heads up, the moral police are here, each to their own I say. Typical single guy's reply. Whether it is each to there own or not, cheating is not right.I know, but the sex is more amazing with someone that are cheating
Like we said, typical single guy's reply.
PS. Do you mean someone that IS cheating??WEll typical "some" couple to moan about cheaters aint it?
And yes meant that someone that is cheating I meant.
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"Heads up, the moral police are here, each to their own I say. Typical single guy's reply. Whether it is each to there own or not, cheating is not right.I know, but the sex is more amazing with someone that are cheating
Like we said, typical single guy's reply.
PS. Do you mean someone that IS cheating??WEll typical "some" couple to moan about cheaters aint it?
And yes meant that someone that is cheating I meant.
So who is cheating? You?
I meant that women are cheating and the thrill of seeing them behind the hubbys back I meant "Depends how you feel about honesty and trust. To some people honesty means nothing. Not the best type to trust. But hey, each person's view on honesty and trust is their lookout. We believe honesty is key, it is clear there are many on here who don't feel the same. | |||
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"Heads up, the moral police are here, each to their own I say. Typical single guy's reply. Whether it is each to there own or not, cheating is not right.I know, but the sex is more amazing with someone that are cheating
Like we said, typical single guy's reply.
PS. Do you mean someone that IS cheating??WEll typical "some" couple to moan about cheaters aint it?
And yes meant that someone that is cheating I meant.
So who is cheating? You?
I meant that women are cheating and the thrill of seeing them behind the hubbys back I meant
Depends how you feel about honesty and trust.
To some people honesty means nothing. Not the best type to trust.
But hey, each person's view on honesty and trust is their lookout.
We believe honesty is key, it is clear there are many on here who don't feel the same."YEs and to some honestly, don't mean anything to, maibe the best thing for them, is to have an open relationship if sex with partner is not there. | |||
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"Heads up, the moral police are here, each to their own I say. Typical single guy's reply. Whether it is each to there own or not, cheating is not right.I know, but the sex is more amazing with someone that are cheating
Like we said, typical single guy's reply.
PS. Do you mean someone that IS cheating??WEll typical "some" couple to moan about cheaters aint it?
And yes meant that someone that is cheating I meant.
So who is cheating? You?
I meant that women are cheating and the thrill of seeing them behind the hubbys back I meant
Depends how you feel about honesty and trust.
To some people honesty means nothing. Not the best type to trust.
But hey, each person's view on honesty and trust is their lookout.
We believe honesty is key, it is clear there are many on here who don't feel the same.YEs and to some honestly, don't mean anything to, maibe the best thing for them, is to have an open relationship if sex with partner is not there."Pardon?? | |||
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"Heads up, the moral police are here, each to their own I say. Typical single guy's reply. Whether it is each to there own or not, cheating is not right.I know, but the sex is more amazing with someone that are cheating
Like we said, typical single guy's reply.
PS. Do you mean someone that IS cheating??WEll typical "some" couple to moan about cheaters aint it?
And yes meant that someone that is cheating I meant.
So who is cheating? You?
I meant that women are cheating and the thrill of seeing them behind the hubbys back I meant
Depends how you feel about honesty and trust.
To some people honesty means nothing. Not the best type to trust.
But hey, each person's view on honesty and trust is their lookout.
We believe honesty is key, it is clear there are many on here who don't feel the same.YEs and to some honestly, don't mean anything to, maibe the best thing for them, is to have an open relationship if sex with partner is not there.
Pardon??"If the woman cheats, maibe they need to discuss to have an open relationship so they can meet others. | |||
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"Heads up, the moral police are here, each to their own I say. Typical single guy's reply. Whether it is each to there own or not, cheating is not right.I know, but the sex is more amazing with someone that are cheating
Like we said, typical single guy's reply.
PS. Do you mean someone that IS cheating??WEll typical "some" couple to moan about cheaters aint it?
And yes meant that someone that is cheating I meant.
So who is cheating? You?
I meant that women are cheating and the thrill of seeing them behind the hubbys back I meant
Depends how you feel about honesty and trust.
To some people honesty means nothing. Not the best type to trust.
But hey, each person's view on honesty and trust is their lookout.
We believe honesty is key, it is clear there are many on here who don't feel the same.YEs and to some honestly, don't mean anything to, maibe the best thing for them, is to have an open relationship if sex with partner is not there.
Pardon??If the woman cheats, maibe they need to discuss to have an open relationship so they can meet others."Wise words from a single man who now seems an expert in cheating relationships!!! | |||
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"Heads up, the moral police are here, each to their own I say. Typical single guy's reply. Whether it is each to there own or not, cheating is not right.I know, but the sex is more amazing with someone that are cheating
Like we said, typical single guy's reply.
PS. Do you mean someone that IS cheating??WEll typical "some" couple to moan about cheaters aint it?
And yes meant that someone that is cheating I meant.
So who is cheating? You?
I meant that women are cheating and the thrill of seeing them behind the hubbys back I meant
Depends how you feel about honesty and trust.
To some people honesty means nothing. Not the best type to trust.
But hey, each person's view on honesty and trust is their lookout.
We believe honesty is key, it is clear there are many on here who don't feel the same.YEs and to some honestly, don't mean anything to, maibe the best thing for them, is to have an open relationship if sex with partner is not there.
Pardon??If the woman cheats, maibe they need to discuss to have an open relationship so they can meet others.
Wise words from a single man who now seems an expert in cheating relationships!!!
"Thanks, not an expert but just very well adjusted to the situation that arrises with it | |||
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"Heads up, the moral police are here, each to their own I say. Typical single guy's reply. Whether it is each to there own or not, cheating is not right.I know, but the sex is more amazing with someone that are cheating
Like we said, typical single guy's reply.
PS. Do you mean someone that IS cheating??WEll typical "some" couple to moan about cheaters aint it?
And yes meant that someone that is cheating I meant.
So who is cheating? You?
I meant that women are cheating and the thrill of seeing them behind the hubbys back I meant
Depends how you feel about honesty and trust.
To some people honesty means nothing. Not the best type to trust.
But hey, each person's view on honesty and trust is their lookout.
We believe honesty is key, it is clear there are many on here who don't feel the same.YEs and to some honestly, don't mean anything to, maibe the best thing for them, is to have an open relationship if sex with partner is not there.
Pardon??If the woman cheats, maibe they need to discuss to have an open relationship so they can meet others.
Wise words from a single man who now seems an expert in cheating relationships!!!
Thanks, not an expert but just very well adjusted to the situation that arrises with it "Of course you are!! We should have realised you are an expert!! | |||
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"Heads up, the moral police are here, each to their own I say. Typical single guy's reply. Whether it is each to there own or not, cheating is not right.I know, but the sex is more amazing with someone that are cheating
Like we said, typical single guy's reply.
PS. Do you mean someone that IS cheating??WEll typical "some" couple to moan about cheaters aint it?
And yes meant that someone that is cheating I meant.
So who is cheating? You?
I meant that women are cheating and the thrill of seeing them behind the hubbys back I meant
Depends how you feel about honesty and trust.
To some people honesty means nothing. Not the best type to trust.
But hey, each person's view on honesty and trust is their lookout.
We believe honesty is key, it is clear there are many on here who don't feel the same.YEs and to some honestly, don't mean anything to, maibe the best thing for them, is to have an open relationship if sex with partner is not there.
Pardon??If the woman cheats, maibe they need to discuss to have an open relationship so they can meet others.
Wise words from a single man who now seems an expert in cheating relationships!!!
Thanks, not an expert but just very well adjusted to the situation that arrises with it
Of course you are!!
We should have realised you are an expert!!" | |||
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"Wow! Does nobody read the profile before saying take it you're married etc. .. It's all on there! Each to their own preferences and boundaries but do people have to be so judgemental ? This is a swinging community and in a place where we find you can't be open about your sex life for fear of being judged harshly I think it's a bit sad that some are so quick to judge others reasons for being on here. At least he is being honest. .. so many "single"people aren't! ! Your personal life is just that. If you don't like someone's boundaries. . Move on As to your profile I think it's good but you need some public pics. . Subtle body shots always good. Good luck " | |||
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