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Guess it is unlikely many are heading across France but the protests today were in full flow. Added 2.5 hours to our trip from Caen to the Spanish border A9/AP-7, including an incident at a roadblock in Montauban with the CRS intervening with smoke grenades 
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By *istalloverCouple
over a year ago
Pays de la Loire -Normandie -Brittany borderFrance |
"Guess it is unlikely many are heading across France but the protests today were in full flow. Added 2.5 hours to our trip from Caen to the Spanish border A9/AP-7, including an incident at a roadblock in Montauban with the CRS intervening with smoke grenades
Take care!"
we had 1 hour in Mayenne delay until the gendarmerie interveined , only 3 there until 5pm then another 50+ turned up.(after work) |
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Chaos around the Beziers and Agde area on Saturday and still going on Sunday and Monday.
Roundabouts blocked on major roads and even some smaller roads that we all used to try and circumnavigate the tailbacks.
Can't see this stopping anytime soon.
I think they will move the focus soon and start blocking the tankers from distributing the fuel from the depots to the petrol stations.
That's when we'll see whether the government have the balls to stand up to this type of protest.
It was very intimidating being in the middle of 30-40 protesters, bonfires burning on the road surfaces right alongside the traffic they were arbitrarily controlling.
My wife felt very vunerable, even though we were together in the car. Can only begin to imagine how some less confident people would have felt.
We can all see the reasoning behind it, but I think the authorities will have to start reigning in soon, before it becmes the norm... |
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Same here yesterday, a journey into Lyon which normally tales 45 minutes took over 2 hours each way.
We tried to avoid the major roundabouts however, even the smaller routes has go slow protests.
The exits to the autoroute were blocked.
I can see this getting worse as the week progresses. |
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Google maps seems to be pretty much up to date with where the problem areas are.
Check that before you leave.
Once you get onto the autoroute you should be fine - it isn't he entry and exits that are blocked as a whole but .... that could change.
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By *s2funloversCouple
over a year ago
Morwich & Everwhere Anywhere |
We are planning on heading back up through France from the Somport tunnel to the bay of Le Mont St Michel at the end of the month, let’s hope we can plot an easy route. But then as we are in a motorhome we can at least just park up and wait.... yellow jackets on the dash! |
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"Google maps seems to be pretty much up to date with where the problem areas are.
Check that before you leave.
Once you get onto the autoroute you should be fine - it isn't he entry and exits that are blocked as a whole but .... that could change.
Good luck!"
The A20 was closed by them at Montauban yesterday. We were forced off at J59...big mess at J60 so couldn't get back on until 62 |
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"Google maps seems to be pretty much up to date with where the problem areas are.
Check that before you leave.
Once you get onto the autoroute you should be fine - it isn't he entry and exits that are blocked as a whole but .... that could change.
Good luck!"
Thanks for that.
Once we are on the motorway we will stay on.
We do the route with 2 stops. First one will be in Spain just before the border so that should be OK.
Our second stop is at Tournus (above Lyon) and that's the one we are a bit concerned about.
Friday is from there to home via Luxembourg. We know from when the farmers had a protest that the motorway between Metz and Thionville was a target and that is a bit of a worry as well. |
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By *ucianpoundCouple
over a year ago
Cap d’Agde, France |
"Get out and support them. Nothing wrong with a bit of urban revolt. Why don’t we do the same over here?"
If they were demonstrating about child poverty, homeless people or political corruption, yes support them, but these guys are just thinking about their own pockets.
Idealism is pretty much dead in France, now it’s all about selfish consumerism. |
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"Get out and support them. Nothing wrong with a bit of urban revolt. Why don’t we do the same over here?
If they were demonstrating about child poverty, homeless people or political corruption, yes support them, but these guys are just thinking about their own pockets.
Idealism is pretty much dead in France, now it’s all about selfish consumerism."
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By *edonistsatplayCouple
over a year ago
Portsmouth, North Brittany, France |
"Get out and support them. Nothing wrong with a bit of urban revolt. Why don’t we do the same over here?
If they were demonstrating about child poverty, homeless people or political corruption, yes support them, but these guys are just thinking about their own pockets.
Idealism is pretty much dead in France, now it’s all about selfish consumerism."
The problem is that some errr "extremists" for want of a better word are using this as a way of making a political statement. The original concept was that it was a peoples protest - no politics at all.
People here (out in the sticks with little or no public transport) rely on vehicles and are well pi**ed off about the huge rise in fuel prices with more tax due in January.
The problem is also the knock on effect with transport companies increasing delivery costs to cover the fuel increases and those costs being added to food and everything else that is delivered.
The government says it's to reduce people using fossil fuels - nothing at all to do with extra tax collected.....
Problem is, like most governments of the world, its a knee-jerk re-action, ill conceived with lack of thought.
You can only get people out of their cars, vans, trucks, tractors, local trains, fishing boats, farm machinery or anything else that goes "suck, squeeze, bang, blow" if there is a VIABLE alternative - and currently there isn't. Electric cars have a limited range and take ages to re-charge and it would seem that a large amount of hy-brids drink more fuel than a standard combustion engine (if what I read can be believed) plus the price of the bloody things!
Our son in law works for EDF (Phd smart arse) he said that if every car in France was electric, they would have to DOUBLE the grid power output.
So..... my yellow vest is on the dashboard!
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So far so good.
We are now at our favourite little hotel in Tournus.
The motorway up from Spain was pretty uneventful apart from when we turned off at Fitou to buy some wine.
The signs on the motorway said that the junction (41) was closed but when we got there it seemed to be open so we took a chance and went for it.
As we approached the toll gates we saw a lot of yellow vests and all the barriers we raised. A very polite man in a yellow vest flagged us down and asked us for our ticket. We were doubtful about it but we were not going to argue so handed him our toll ticket which he added to the large handful that he already had. He then waved us through.
At the roundabout a few metres on cars (but only cars, no trucks) were being allowed through, but only in one direction (which wasn't where we wanted to go) but again a very polite man asked us where we wanted to go and then told us (in English) how to circumvent the road block.
We got to Fitou, bought our wine, and then rejoined the motorway further up. At that junction there were a handful of protesters waving red flags but that was all.
For the rest of the journey we stayed on the motorway and other than a few warning signs of protesters (pedestrians) on junctions and an odd junction closed we had no more problems.
Fingers crossed that tomorrow (Tournus to Luxembourg) runs as smoothly. |
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"The fuel depots were blockaded a few years ago during a similar dispute. It made no difference then. Fuel still got through to the petrol stations."
There was a huge queue at fuel stations in Beziers on Wed and yes, we filled up too...!
There was a van in front of us, the driver filled his van and FOUR 15 litre containers as well.
We're doing shopping today and hope that it doesn't kick off again this weekend..
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Well we made it. Now back home in cold grey Germany.
No hold ups at all in France.
We saw one small group of yellow vests as we got onto the motorway at Chalon and other than a few warning signs of "pedestrians in the road" at some junctions, that was it. 
However when it comes to hold ups the German road works do a much better job. |
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"Glad that it all worked out alright.
The protests continue here in France with no end in sight!
At least it is sunny "
It was foggy in Tournus yesterday morning, in some places quite dense. We were well past Dijon before it cleared. Then sunny all the way up. |
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By *edonistsatplayCouple
over a year ago
Portsmouth, North Brittany, France |
"Chaos in Nantes and La Roche sur Yon tonight !
At least the Peage is free ."
See that there has been a bit of ye old 'social unrest' in Paris too. Bit of a chilly day to get twatted by a water cannon!!
It seems to be week-ends and Mondays locally, everyone back to work on Tuesday! |
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By *mmacdheelsTV/TS
over a year ago
France, And sometimes in |
"Just jumping on a plane to Tenerife from Nantes , hope it's finished when I return .
Quite intimidating driving through approximately 1000 protesters at the Peage booth ."
I think its going to last a while. Just make sure you have your gilet jaune on the dash board as you drive through. |
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it will be a bigger pain when he puts up petrol by 12 cents and diesel by 25 cents in january....or time to buy a donkey ....or his choice an electric car ....note ...i noticed last week when he was in his presidential car that it was not electric ...the little man is a do as i say not as i do type of guy .... |
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By *airyjMan
over a year ago
dumfries and 24 in France |
I have to do a pick up from Bergerac Airport tomorrow, Saturday.So a drive down the N21 from near Chalus. Does anyone have any guidance about likely gilet jaune hotspots or even (ha ha)fancy a coffee? |
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I was speaking with a french friend of mine last night and she was saying that now the National front are getting more involved there will be action until at least the beginning of the new year..
My updated tomtom with live traffic does seem to show where some of the hot spots are but sadly not every time.
Good luck to anyone who has to travel in the coming weeks. |
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"it will be a bigger pain when he puts up petrol by 12 cents and diesel by 25 cents in january....or time to buy a donkey ....or his choice an electric car ....note ...i noticed last week when he was in his presidential car that it was not electric ...the little man is a do as i say not as i do type of guy ...."
WOW! 
Didn't realise it was going up as much as that.
Thankfully I can fill up in Luxembourg and make it to the Spanish border (just)
Last week diesel was 1.12 there compared to over 1.60 on the French motorway. Methinks the roads into Luxembourg will be gridlocked in January. Cheap ciggies as well. |
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"it will be a bigger pain when he puts up petrol by 12 cents and diesel by 25 cents in january....or time to buy a donkey ....or his choice an electric car ....note ...i noticed last week when he was in his presidential car that it was not electric ...the little man is a do as i say not as i do type of guy ...."
Whilst I don't like price increases but carbon is a dirty fuel and the bigger picture is saving the planet! So in that instance I am green all the way. To quote one of your phrases - just as well we got a few bob!
As has been said the far right are sticking things up so yes you have the nutters infiltrating those who wanted to protest. |
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"it will be a bigger pain when he puts up petrol by 12 cents and diesel by 25 cents in january....or time to buy a donkey ....or his choice an electric car ....note ...i noticed last week when he was in his presidential car that it was not electric ...the little man is a do as i say not as i do type of guy ....
Whilst I don't like price increases but carbon is a dirty fuel and the bigger picture is saving the planet! So in that instance I am green all the way. To quote one of your phrases - just as well we got a few bob!
As has been said the far right are sticking things up so yes you have the nutters infiltrating those who wanted to protest. "
I am all for electric cars and good transportation networks, but sadly when you live in the countryside in a country as large as france that infrastructure is not there. Electric cars do not have the range yet to be useful and public transport in my region is non existent. Until the french government can get their act together to make viable alternatives to fossil fuels this situation cannot continue.. The price hikes are great to deter motoring but only if there is solid infrastructure in place to give individuals alternatives - sadly as yet there are not, so like many other countryside dwellers I will continue to use fossil fuels. |
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"it will be a bigger pain when he puts up petrol by 12 cents and diesel by 25 cents in january....or time to buy a donkey ....or his choice an electric car ....note ...i noticed last week when he was in his presidential car that it was not electric ...the little man is a do as i say not as i do type of guy ....
Whilst I don't like price increases but carbon is a dirty fuel and the bigger picture is saving the planet! So in that instance I am green all the way. To quote one of your phrases - just as well we got a few bob!
As has been said the far right are sticking things up so yes you have the nutters infiltrating those who wanted to protest.
I am all for electric cars and good transportation networks, but sadly when you live in the countryside in a country as large as france that infrastructure is not there. Electric cars do not have the range yet to be useful and public transport in my region is non existent. Until the french government can get their act together to make viable alternatives to fossil fuels this situation cannot continue.. The price hikes are great to deter motoring but only if there is solid infrastructure in place to give individuals alternatives - sadly as yet there are not, so like many other countryside dwellers I will continue to use fossil fuels. "
Of course your right, but these protesters now a radical right wing thugs with other motives! |
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"it will be a bigger pain when he puts up petrol by 12 cents and diesel by 25 cents in january....or time to buy a donkey ....or his choice an electric car ....note ...i noticed last week when he was in his presidential car that it was not electric ...the little man is a do as i say not as i do type of guy ....
Whilst I don't like price increases but carbon is a dirty fuel and the bigger picture is saving the planet! So in that instance I am green all the way. To quote one of your phrases - just as well we got a few bob!
As has been said the far right are sticking things up so yes you have the nutters infiltrating those who wanted to protest.
I am all for electric cars and good transportation networks, but sadly when you live in the countryside in a country as large as france that infrastructure is not there. Electric cars do not have the range yet to be useful and public transport in my region is non existent. Until the french government can get their act together to make viable alternatives to fossil fuels this situation cannot continue.. The price hikes are great to deter motoring but only if there is solid infrastructure in place to give individuals alternatives - sadly as yet there are not, so like many other countryside dwellers I will continue to use fossil fuels.
Of course your right, but these protesters now a radical right wing thugs with other motives!"
Which is where my comments about the NF come into play.. Hopefully it doesn't get too out of hand in the future |
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"it will be a bigger pain when he puts up petrol by 12 cents and diesel by 25 cents in january....or time to buy a donkey ....or his choice an electric car ....note ...i noticed last week when he was in his presidential car that it was not electric ...the little man is a do as i say not as i do type of guy ....
Whilst I don't like price increases but carbon is a dirty fuel and the bigger picture is saving the planet! So in that instance I am green all the way. To quote one of your phrases - just as well we got a few bob!
As has been said the far right are sticking things up so yes you have the nutters infiltrating those who wanted to protest.
I am all for electric cars and good transportation networks, but sadly when you live in the countryside in a country as large as france that infrastructure is not there. Electric cars do not have the range yet to be useful and public transport in my region is non existent. Until the french government can get their act together to make viable alternatives to fossil fuels this situation cannot continue.. The price hikes are great to deter motoring but only if there is solid infrastructure in place to give individuals alternatives - sadly as yet there are not, so like many other countryside dwellers I will continue to use fossil fuels.
Of course your right, but these protesters now a radical right wing thugs with other motives!
Which is where my comments about the NF come into play.. Hopefully it doesn't get too out of hand in the future"
Well considering fuel prices have fallen (which is why the protests started ) they have become more violent! Looters are attacking luxury brand shops in Paris so yes it's extremists just making trouble. |
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sounds like its getting nasty in Paris.. I read today that a 70 year old woman was attacked in her english car in Brantome this morning https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/the-dronne-valley-network/5A2xLdNn1dQ
Sounds like its getting out of hand!!!! |
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"Get out and support them. Nothing wrong with a bit of urban revolt. Why don’t we do the same over here?
If they were demonstrating about child poverty, homeless people or political corruption, yes support them, but these guys are just thinking about their own pockets.
Idealism is pretty much dead in France, now it’s all about selfish consumerism.
The problem is that some errr "extremists" for want of a better word are using this as a way of making a political statement. The original concept was that it was a peoples protest - no politics at all.
People here (out in the sticks with little or no public transport) rely on vehicles and are well pi**ed off about the huge rise in fuel prices with more tax due in January.
The problem is also the knock on effect with transport companies increasing delivery costs to cover the fuel increases and those costs being added to food and everything else that is delivered.
The government says it's to reduce people using fossil fuels - nothing at all to do with extra tax collected.....
Problem is, like most governments of the world, its a knee-jerk re-action, ill conceived with lack of thought.
You can only get people out of their cars, vans, trucks, tractors, local trains, fishing boats, farm machinery or anything else that goes "suck, squeeze, bang, blow" if there is a VIABLE alternative - and currently there isn't. Electric cars have a limited range and take ages to re-charge and it would seem that a large amount of hy-brids drink more fuel than a standard combustion engine (if what I read can be believed) plus the price of the bloody things!
Our son in law works for EDF (Phd smart arse) he said that if every car in France was electric, they would have to DOUBLE the grid power output.
So..... my yellow vest is on the dashboard!
Bon courage!"
Dunkirk set up a free bus service which has drastically reduced th cars on the road there.
Just sayin' |
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By *edonistsatplayCouple
over a year ago
Portsmouth, North Brittany, France |
"Get out and support them. Nothing wrong with a bit of urban revolt. Why don’t we do the same over here?
If they were demonstrating about child poverty, homeless people or political corruption, yes support them, but these guys are just thinking about their own pockets.
Idealism is pretty much dead in France, now it’s all about selfish consumerism.
The problem is that some errr "extremists" for want of a better word are using this as a way of making a political statement. The original concept was that it was a peoples protest - no politics at all.
People here (out in the sticks with little or no public transport) rely on vehicles and are well pi**ed off about the huge rise in fuel prices with more tax due in January.
The problem is also the knock on effect with transport companies increasing delivery costs to cover the fuel increases and those costs being added to food and everything else that is delivered.
The government says it's to reduce people using fossil fuels - nothing at all to do with extra tax collected.....
Problem is, like most governments of the world, its a knee-jerk re-action, ill conceived with lack of thought.
You can only get people out of their cars, vans, trucks, tractors, local trains, fishing boats, farm machinery or anything else that goes "suck, squeeze, bang, blow" if there is a VIABLE alternative - and currently there isn't. Electric cars have a limited range and take ages to re-charge and it would seem that a large amount of hy-brids drink more fuel than a standard combustion engine (if what I read can be believed) plus the price of the bloody things!
Our son in law works for EDF (Phd smart arse) he said that if every car in France was electric, they would have to DOUBLE the grid power output.
So..... my yellow vest is on the dashboard!
Bon courage!
Dunkirk set up a free bus service which has drastically reduced th cars on the road there.
Just sayin'"
There isn't actually a lot of cars here to start with, our nearest town only has a population of about 5000 people and thats about 20 kms away.. nearest bus stop is about 15 and the train station (which is a single track and only runs about 5 times a day) is 7 kms away.
Thus therein lay the problem - no alternative unfortunately! |
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"sounds like its getting nasty in Paris.. I read today that a 70 year old woman was attacked in her english car in Brantome this morning https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/the-dronne-valley-network/5A2xLdNn1dQ
Sounds like its getting out of hand!!!!"
When extreme nationalist (left or right) get control this is what happens (we had our own version in NI). Some will turn on "foreigners" - like we are in the UK - it's not unique to the UK. If it isn't brought under control then the violence will just get worse.
All for demonstrating but not terrorism. To deface your national monument says a lot about these people. In Agde I was asked to sign a petition and said no, she said "why" I said I am fine with peaceful demonstrations but not violent ones. She just looked - probably thought "bloody foreigner" come here pushing house prices up ..... moan over! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Apparently evidence is coming out that the union's and far right organization are behind the protests! Unions telling their members to turn up "incognito" to make it look spontaneous rather than organized! |
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We are at the crossroads.
We act to stop climate catastrophe NOW or we carry on with out consumerist lifestyle.
So what are the French (everyone) going to do when more stringent eco measures are implemented or proposed?
I fear we are too selfish and short sighted to save ourselves. |
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so our small island must pay and save the world along with france ...whilst most of the rest of the world...could not give a shit about pollution etc...ask the french people if they want to pay more and you will get a short answer....i will never see how my plastic carrier bag or my drink straw is going to save the planet ...what crap....i support the french fuel protest but not the violent side of things |
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
south west , continental |
Again this all depends where you get your news from. I prefer to get mine from boots on the ground and locals.
RT france had been livestreaming all day very good coverage and balanced opinions. Hard to know who instigates the violence. I see a whole lot of crs rushing and smashing people just standing around doing nothing. There are even snipers on the roofs. Predominantly the protesters have no weapons only what they pick up debris, bricks and bottles. Unlucky you if you get beaten by ten crs in heavy riot gear for just standing around. Anger and frustration runs high through these people. It's the only way they can protest about their lot in life. Politicians do not listen, they are all smiles, fake smiles. I predict a long winter, the fuel tax was a catalyst, the french have a bigger grudge against their elite politicians. Looks like the fifty year rule holds true. I support the gilet jaune but not violence on what ever side displays it. |
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By *istalloverCouple
over a year ago
Pays de la Loire -Normandie -Brittany borderFrance |
just been advised by French friends .
It all kicks off again on Saturday.
told to stay away from towns and be vigilant if driving ,
fuel could be a problem as the refineries will be targeted too so fill up where you can.
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"just been advised by French friends .
It all kicks off again on Saturday.
told to stay away from towns and be vigilant if driving ,
fuel could be a problem as the refineries will be targeted too so fill up where you can.
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So it's not really about fuel prices then, it's politics by extremists! |
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By *aelic funMan
over a year ago
Carlisle Dumfries |
But its anyone's guess if that will be enough.
What started off as a fuel protest now has ambulance staff protesting; complaints about the level of minimum wage; rural poverty et al.
Fuel wise supermarkets are selling at cost until the end of the year, at which point I reckon the UK will revert to being cheaper again |
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
south west , continental |
From what I see, the locals are digging in, building shelters on roundabouts, receiving lots of pallet wood,food,wine,tarpaulins.
Expect huge disruptions tomorrow. I think Paris is pretty much shutting its attractions,shops, museums near the Champs de Elysee. There is talk of trying to get to the Elysee Palace. That will prove difficult,the CRS are prepared and will deploy more water canons.
Some police support the gilet jaunes so it's a delema for them. The ambulance crews are pretty much behind the Jaunes.
I see a lot of 68 signs being sprayed everywhere.
I think the authorities will come down hard on this one,but that only sharpens the resolve of the protesters. The ones doing most of the damage, taunting police are black bloc and anarchists. However there are some nasty videos circulating of really violent beatings by CRS on gilet jaunes, this has only incensed them more.
Tomorrow, we shall see. |
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
south west , continental |
It's serious when the president calls for armoured vehicles to be used! These gilet jaunes don't have guns! However it's OK for Macron to order his Gendarmerie to crash out the armoured vehicles, I'm sure they have a machine gun mounted on the top!! it's reported twelve that have been deployed ready for action |
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I was caught in the student protests at St Etienne on Thursday. Stones, sticks thrown at police but also catching bystanders. Windows smashed, shops closed. Quite scary. Police used teargas to disperse the mob.
I agree that the police need to be strong otherwise the mob will simply continue to rampage destroying all in its path.
This is no longer the protest it started out to be and needs to be quashed. |
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By *ucianpoundCouple
over a year ago
Cap d’Agde, France |
It will be interesting to see how this develops/ concludes.
The government has handled this badly, first postponing the fuel tax for 6 months and 24 hours later abandoning it.
A sign of weakness which has only incited people more, if they had stuck to their principles their hand would be stronger.
Here in the south barricades and makeshift tents/fires blockade the A9 exits with police standing meekly by.
At the Cap D’Agde exit at least a 100 yellow jackets on Wednesday evening but last Sunday perhaps 500+ protesters . |
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By *exy BeckyCouple
over a year ago
Bergerac, France |
"It's serious when the president calls for armoured vehicles to be used! These gilet jaunes don't have guns! However it's OK for Macron to order his Gendarmerie to crash out the armoured vehicles, I'm sure they have a machine gun mounted on the top!! it's reported twelve that have been deployed ready for action"
Armoured vehicles provide protection from missiles such as the rocks that we have seen being thrown and things like petrol bombs that we haven't seen yet.
But you dont wait for the first one to be used before you prepare yourself.
I don't think for one minute that guns will be used by the protesters, but you have to have the means to disperse large and violent crowds.
Sure it's an unpleasant sight to have these things on the street, but it's pretty scary for residents and businesses to suffer the mob rule.
I sympathise with the ideas behind the protests of course, but the French government have themselves to blame by allowing things to progress this far.
If the authorities stand by and allow protesters to block local roads and even motorways for hours on end and then capitulate by backing off on their statuary plans, what do you expect..?
The protesters have seen what they can gain by their actions and now feel they have the muscle to get more concessions from Macron.
It's about how you deal with the problem when it first arises.
You don't give a toddler a biscuit before their meal, just because they scream and stamp their feet. You talk to them and explain why not. If you give in once, you're in for a very hard life...
Maybe Macron has never had children. Hey, that could be the answer..!
Can anyone lend him a 3 year old for a few weeks...?
Off now on my e-bike to cycle 10kms to do the shopping and hope I get through the bonfires and barriers.
Might buy some extra smelly cheese to throw onto their bonfire on the way back...
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
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All your wishes may be granted about crackdowns. VXB 170s, twelve in number are standing by in Paris. The goverment issued threats to use them. The gilet jaune are not armed, They have no leadership,only spokespeople. The protestor displaying violence are Predominantly anarchists, black bloc, hard right and left. This only drags in innocent and easily lead.
Things will deteriorate today, and with that comes injuries and deaths. Macron Where is he? I see no speeches, funny that, he normally likes grandstanding. Perhaps little Manu has gone into hiding.
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"It's serious when the president calls for armoured vehicles to be used! These gilet jaunes don't have guns! However it's OK for Macron to order his Gendarmerie to crash out the armoured vehicles, I'm sure they have a machine gun mounted on the top!! it's reported twelve that have been deployed ready for action
Armoured vehicles provide protection from missiles such as the rocks that we have seen being thrown and things like petrol bombs that we haven't seen yet.
But you dont wait for the first one to be used before you prepare yourself.
I don't think for one minute that guns will be used by the protesters, but you have to have the means to disperse large and violent crowds.
Sure it's an unpleasant sight to have these things on the street, but it's pretty scary for residents and businesses to suffer the mob rule.
I sympathise with the ideas behind the protests of course, but the French government have themselves to blame by allowing things to progress this far.
If the authorities stand by and allow protesters to block local roads and even motorways for hours on end and then capitulate by backing off on their statuary plans, what do you expect..?
The protesters have seen what they can gain by their actions and now feel they have the muscle to get more concessions from Macron.
It's about how you deal with the problem when it first arises.
You don't give a toddler a biscuit before their meal, just because they scream and stamp their feet. You talk to them and explain why not. If you give in once, you're in for a very hard life...
Maybe Macron has never had children. Hey, that could be the answer..!
Can anyone lend him a 3 year old for a few weeks...?
Off now on my e-bike to cycle 10kms to do the shopping and hope I get through the bonfires and barriers.
Might buy some extra smelly cheese to throw onto their bonfire on the way back...
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A man has used a gun at Bessan -2 shots fired in the air - not by protester, but someone who was being obstructed - was early at the beginning 2 weeks ago - police arrested him.
What we have, here, we are living in FN heartland, so full of nutters! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"All your wishes may be granted about crackdowns. VXB 170s, twelve in number are standing by in Paris. The goverment issued threats to use them. The gilet jaune are not armed, They have no leadership,only spokespeople. The protestor displaying violence are Predominantly anarchists, black bloc, hard right and left. This only drags in innocent and easily lead.
Things will deteriorate today, and with that comes injuries and deaths. Macron Where is he? I see no speeches, funny that, he normally likes grandstanding. Perhaps little Manu has gone into hiding.
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If you believe that your deluded! They may not have guns but they have used "arms" including petrol bombs! It is organized people are directing it - Just not seeing who - yet! Oh here only seen white protesters! |
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By *ucianpoundCouple
over a year ago
Cap d’Agde, France |
"It's serious when the president calls for armoured vehicles to be used! These gilet jaunes don't have guns! However it's OK for Macron to order his Gendarmerie to crash out the armoured vehicles, I'm sure they have a machine gun mounted on the top!! it's reported twelve that have been deployed ready for action
Armoured vehicles provide protection from missiles such as the rocks that we have seen being thrown and things like petrol bombs that we haven't seen yet.
But you dont wait for the first one to be used before you prepare yourself.
I don't think for one minute that guns will be used by the protesters, but you have to have the means to disperse large and violent crowds.
Sure it's an unpleasant sight to have these things on the street, but it's pretty scary for residents and businesses to suffer the mob rule.
I sympathise with the ideas behind the protests of course, but the French government have themselves to blame by allowing things to progress this far.
If the authorities stand by and allow protesters to block local roads and even motorways for hours on end and then capitulate by backing off on their statuary plans, what do you expect..?
The protesters have seen what they can gain by their actions and now feel they have the muscle to get more concessions from Macron.
It's about how you deal with the problem when it first arises.
You don't give a toddler a biscuit before their meal, just because they scream and stamp their feet. You talk to them and explain why not. If you give in once, you're in for a very hard life...
Maybe Macron has never had children. Hey, that could be the answer..!
Can anyone lend him a 3 year old for a few weeks...?
Off now on my e-bike to cycle 10kms to do the shopping and hope I get through the bonfires and barriers.
Might buy some extra smelly cheese to throw onto their bonfire on the way back...
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A rather patronising view of the situation comparing to toddlers people who have every right to protest against injustices, the top 1% getting richer and the bottom 10% poorer.
Perhaps if Brits had the balls to get out there like the French instead of swallowing all the Daily Mail/Express/Brexit lies we wouldn’t have the fiasco facing Britain for the foreseeable future! |
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By *exy BeckyCouple
over a year ago
Bergerac, France |
I'm talking about the way the government have reacted to the situation.
If you allow people to dictate their grievances in the way we have seen and make no effort to balance that against the rights of others to go about their lawful business, then you are clearly on a slippery lope.
No country in western Europe would allow the scenes we have seen recently to develop let alone continue.
As I said in my post, I sympathise with the ideas behind it all. They impact on many activities of those who live here, you and us.
But it's the way the French people make their voices heard. They've been doing it for as long as I can remember and probably a lot longer than that..!!
We have to accept it rather than try to put our own slant on things.
As my wife says, the very things that infuriate us are the same things that we admire about our hosts.
Their stubbornness is to be admired even if it annoys the hell out of us... |
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By *exy BeckyCouple
over a year ago
Bergerac, France |
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A man has used a gun at Bessan -2 shots fired in the air - not by protester, but someone who was being obstructed - was early at the beginning 2 weeks ago - police arrested him.
Didn't hear about that....!!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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...unfortunately they will not cease until they purportedly have Macron resign.
Then who will lead the republic or do they want to change that too?
A disaster with Brexit back home and here in France the government is also on trouble!
What a mess |
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By *mmacdheelsTV/TS
over a year ago
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Pretty much shows how the "leaders" have all lost touch with the needs of the people. Too many crazy rules coming from the idiots in Brussels. I'm expecting the German people to be the next to create trouble. |
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"...unfortunately they will not cease until they purportedly have Macron resign.
Then who will lead the republic or do they want to change that too?
A disaster with Brexit back home and here in France the government is also on trouble!
What a mess"
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"...unfortunately they will not cease until they purportedly have Macron resign.
Then who will lead the republic or do they want to change that too?
A disaster with Brexit back home and here in France the government is also on trouble!
What a mess"
There's always Catalonia |
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