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I think there's a problem with the existing room setup/names. Most people want to be directed, and yet there are only 5 of 18 that are directing. If you are in a room, say the Irish room because you are Irish (or in Ireland), you currently can't give consent to be directed. You have to go to one of a few over-full Directing rooms -- even if you get in, there are suddenly hundreds of people giving commands; there's no opportunity to be directed by a few. Since the number of people not wanting to see any kind of rude suggestion is, I imagine, small, why not invent a 'NON DIRECTING ROOM'?
This would be a simple solution to chat admins feeling obliged to kick/ban people who direct in rooms where every party consents to it and wants it. And a non-directing room would assemble the few people who want to do that; you could likewise have a 'social chat/no nudity' room or suchlike.
I think this would fix an existing problem. It's easy to get over fastidious about this kind of rule, but it seems inelegant and unnecessary.
What do you think?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We have 13 NON Directing rooms where hundreds not a few assemble cos they dont want to be directed they like freindly banter and dont like directers if members carnt read chat rules, they come up in chat every 7 minutes, well thats they fault and they get a time out  you can still go in full directing rooms as veiw only untill the room clears abit then you can type so sorry we dont agree with your post. |
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By *ilandlarryCouple
over a year ago
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I'm pretty sure that even if they were called NON DIRECTING ROOMS then there would still be people who try to bend the rules to suit themselves.
I wouldn't personally say that most members want to be directed either. I go in to chat to have a laugh with friends, not to play about on cam so why would I want to be directed? If, for any reason, we do play on cam then we play in a room where WE choose what we want to do.
Not everyone on this site wants the same thing, therefore people shouldn't be pushing their ideas on to other people and just use the site as they see fit |
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this is typical of most of the directors who come in to the non-directing rooms 
they seem to be under the miss-apprehension that every one on cam wants to be directed no matter what room they are in 
we are in a non-directing room for a reason, we like the chat |
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By *acciWoman
over a year ago
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If i wanted to be directed i would go into a directing room. This is ment to be a site for grown ups and as grown up im sure we should grasp the fact that because a room doesnt say NON directing it doesnt mean you can direct in it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"When us girls cam in the Ireland room, guess who comes in and directs us - English guys who cant get into a directing room"
Likewise in Scots, most the people that get banned are guys from outwith Scotland.
And to the OP, I think you will find that MOST cammers (fems and couples) DON'T won't to be directed.
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I think it's not a logical set-up. Currently, if you want to chat to people in your area and be directed, you have a problem, as you have to choose between one and the other.
Several solutions could work:
1) a choice of directing and non-directing regional rooms (e.g. South East (Directing) and South East (Non-directing))
2) A form of individual consent by the person in the room performing: if they say, explicitly, that directing is fine for them, then people shouldn't be kicked for it.
Of course, there should be some provision to allow for non-directing rooms. But you can't say it's a bad idea to create such rooms because the rules might not be respected, as that's no different to now.
Without any kind of proper poll, a few people posting on a thread isn't a proper way to gauge what most people want. A poll could be set up easily, but if no one did this to find out, it'd be simpler just to create rooms that offer a fairer choice to all users, whatever their wishes. The 2nd suggestion (consent) would solve most problems without the need to set up other rooms.
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Well, I said 13 are non directing (13:5).
If you consider that the 5 directing rooms have the great majority of viewers, it stands to reason that these are the most popular. You don't have to queue up to get into any other room, eh?
It's not logical to argue that a Non-Directing room is attracting people _because_ it's non directing, when the name is something like South East or Scotland. It may well be that people from the South East want to go the South East room, and that Scottish people want to see other Scottish people. What I mean is that it's not the _rule difference_ that is necessarily attracting people there; I'd assume that it was the specific name of that room, rather: which is why it would be an idea, I think, to create 1 or 2 non-directing rooms for the few who choose a room precisely because it's 'non-directing.'
Hope that makes it clear what I'm saying; I'm all for people choosing what they want to do here. And being generally fabulous.
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over a year ago
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Im a regular daytime visitor to Northern chat and have NO desire to be directed, ive chatted to many of the above contributers to this thread, ive had many a conversation about matters further away from "swinging" than you could imagine, im in there for the banter not for the entertainment of others  |
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I do think the rules on directing need addressing, currently there are too many diiferent mods taking different stances.
Some mods will warn a user of thier conduct, some mods just ban individuals on first offence, how can that be right?
Under the current "non directing" rules aswell it is not allowed to answer such questions as "should i wear the red dress or green dress" If a user responds to this question by saying "put the green dress on" they run the risk of a ban.
Surely the idea of chatrooms is that people can chat! I think to be honest there should be a complain button where individual users can complain to mods if they are being directed rather than leaving it to the mods to decide transgressions. |
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over a year ago
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"this is typical of most of the directors who come in to the non-directing rooms
they seem to be under the miss-apprehension that every one on cam wants to be directed no matter what room they are in
we are in a non-directing room for a reason, we like the chat "
yes this is true and its also the reason my block list is so long  never go int direct hate being told what to do xx |
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"Well, I said 13 are non directing (13:5).
If you consider that the 5 directing rooms have the great majority of viewers, it stands to reason that these are the most popular. You don't have to queue up to get into any other room, eh?
It's not logical to argue that a Non-Directing room is attracting people _because_ it's non directing, when the name is something like South East or Scotland. It may well be that people from the South East want to go the South East room, and that Scottish people want to see other Scottish people. What I mean is that it's not the _rule difference_ that is necessarily attracting people there; I'd assume that it was the specific name of that room, rather: which is why it would be an idea, I think, to create 1 or 2 non-directing rooms for the few who choose a room precisely because it's 'non-directing.'
Hope that makes it clear what I'm saying; I'm all for people choosing what they want to do here. And being generally fabulous.
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i go in south east because i live there if it was a directing room not a hope in hell would i go in there look there r enough directing rooms and if u r stuck i think there r internet sites that u can use the trouble is thay cost mney and u feel that u have rite to come in a room and direct any couple or girl on cam who makes it plain if u direct u will be blocked i do love my block button x |
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"I think it's not a logical set-up. Currently, if you want to chat to people in your area and be directed, you have a problem, as you have to choose between one and the other.
Several solutions could work:
1) a choice of directing and non-directing regional rooms (e.g. South East (Directing) and South East (Non-directing))
2) A form of individual consent by the person in the room performing: if they say, explicitly, that directing is fine for them, then people shouldn't be kicked for it.
Of course, there should be some provision to allow for non-directing rooms. But you can't say it's a bad idea to create such rooms because the rules might not be respected, as that's no different to now.
Without any kind of proper poll, a few people posting on a thread isn't a proper way to gauge what most people want. A poll could be set up easily, but if no one did this to find out, it'd be simpler just to create rooms that offer a fairer choice to all users, whatever their wishes. The 2nd suggestion (consent) would solve most problems without the need to set up other rooms.
That's my 2 cents. "
By choosing to be in a non directing room they have not given consent to be directed...what is so hard to understand .
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over a year ago
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"I do think the rules on directing need addressing, currently there are too many diiferent mods taking different stances.
Some mods will warn a user of thier conduct, some mods just ban individuals on first offence, how can that be right?
Under the current "non directing" rules aswell it is not allowed to answer such questions as "should i wear the red dress or green dress" If a user responds to this question by saying "put the green dress on" they run the risk of a ban.
Surely the idea of chatrooms is that people can chat! I think to be honest there should be a complain button where individual users can complain to mods if they are being directed rather than leaving it to the mods to decide transgressions."
No need for a complain button we have a REPORT button,If a mod bans some one with out warning its because they have directed in a none directing room.. prity simple really some times i warn some times i dont,I for sure dont want to remind every person that directs in a non directing room,Us mods do like to chat to other members to,the chat rules come up every 7 minutes and it only takes a couple of minutes to read the rules,you warn some one and they say sorry oppss thought i was in a directing room(errm if im mistaking you need to CLICK on a room to join) so they either blind or pushing to see how far they can go  |
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yeah I understand that the rules come up every 7 mins nd some people do push it to see how far they go, fortunately we are not ones who get banned we are good you see. But you hit the nail on the head when you said "sometimes I ban, sometimes I dont"
And the example I gave you is not directing but One could get banned for answering a question.
If there was a complain button then surely the mods could "chat more freely" without having to watch every sentence, and just respond to complains, that seems a far simpler way of dealing with directing IMO ofcourse.
Although I understand what your saying, non directing rooms are non directing rooms and directing shouldnt happen.
But the fact is it does, either by design or mistake and yet users are treated differently for the same offence.
And i am sure you agree some directing is worth a ban, some may be interpretted as directing when it simply isnt. |
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"yeah I understand that the rules come up every 7 mins nd some people do push it to see how far they go, fortunately we are not ones who get banned we are good you see. But you hit the nail on the head when you said "sometimes I ban, sometimes I dont"
And the example I gave you is not directing but One could get banned for answering a question.
If there was a complain button then surely the mods could "chat more freely" without having to watch every sentence, and just respond to complains, that seems a far simpler way of dealing with directing IMO ofcourse.
Although I understand what your saying, non directing rooms are non directing rooms and directing shouldnt happen.
But the fact is it does, either by design or mistake and yet users are treated differently for the same offence.
And i am sure you agree some directing is worth a ban, some may be interpretted as directing when it simply isnt."
if u want a question answered there is pm's for that. the person who encourages directing can also get banned and mods do this for free so why should they constantly be jusitifing themselves its and adult site there r rules if u don't like them work around them or go to directing its not rocket science |
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"yeah I understand that the rules come up every 7 mins nd some people do push it to see how far they go, fortunately we are not ones who get banned we are good you see. But you hit the nail on the head when you said "sometimes I ban, sometimes I dont"
And the example I gave you is not directing but One could get banned for answering a question.
If there was a complain button then surely the mods could "chat more freely" without having to watch every sentence, and just respond to complains, that seems a far simpler way of dealing with directing IMO ofcourse.
Although I understand what your saying, non directing rooms are non directing rooms and directing shouldnt happen.
But the fact is it does, either by design or mistake and yet users are treated differently for the same offence.
And i am sure you agree some directing is worth a ban, some may be interpretted as directing when it simply isnt.
if u want a question answered there is pm's for that. the person who encourages directing can also get banned and mods do this for free so why should they constantly be jusitifing themselves its and adult site there r rules if u don't like them work around them or go to directing its not rocket science "
sorry I think you miss understand. The exapmle i gave was of an every day question that could be sent to all users who are chatting, not a specific question. And obviously its not rocket science if you want to direct or be directed one would go to a directing room, but all that doesnt alter the fact that my given points are valid.
Im not having a pop at mods by the way, I think they do a tremedous job for free, I certainly wouldnt do it. But what I am suggesting will make life alot easier for them and all users.
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"I'm pretty sure that even if they were called NON DIRECTING ROOMS then there would still be people who try to bend the rules to suit themselves.
I wouldn't personally say that most members want to be directed either. I go in to chat to have a laugh with friends, not to play about on cam so why would I want to be directed? If, for any reason, we do play on cam then we play in a room where WE choose what we want to do.
Not everyone on this site wants the same thing, therefore people shouldn't be pushing their ideas on to other people and just use the site as they see fit "
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"yeah I understand that the rules come up every 7 mins nd some people do push it to see how far they go, fortunately we are not ones who get banned we are good you see. But you hit the nail on the head when you said "sometimes I ban, sometimes I dont"
And the example I gave you is not directing but One could get banned for answering a question.
If there was a complain button then surely the mods could "chat more freely" without having to watch every sentence, and just respond to complains, that seems a far simpler way of dealing with directing IMO ofcourse.
Although I understand what your saying, non directing rooms are non directing rooms and directing shouldnt happen.
But the fact is it does, either by design or mistake and yet users are treated differently for the same offence.
And i am sure you agree some directing is worth a ban, some may be interpretted as directing when it simply isnt.
if u want a question answered there is pm's for that. the person who encourages directing can also get banned and mods do this for free so why should they constantly be jusitifing themselves its and adult site there r rules if u don't like them work around them or go to directing its not rocket science
sorry I think you miss understand. The exapmle i gave was of an every day question that could be sent to all users who are chatting, not a specific question. And obviously its not rocket science if you want to direct or be directed one would go to a directing room, but all that doesnt alter the fact that my given points are valid.
Im not having a pop at mods by the way, I think they do a tremedous job for free, I certainly wouldnt do it. But what I am suggesting will make life alot easier for them and all users.
dya get me!"
no i don't a do i wear a red or green dress mmm not sure i would let strangers choose for me and cam is not the same as real life but i see your point. i also know from expeience that if i had to send a report for every wally that decided to direct me i would not get to chat especial when the rugby is on as i tend to jump up and down a bit  and the mods do a great job of banning so i don't need to worry i know what u r saying but if i had to send a report to mods everytime i think it would discourage users for using there cams x |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"I do think the rules on directing need addressing, currently there are too many diiferent mods taking different stances.
Some mods will warn a user of thier conduct, some mods just ban individuals on first offence, how can that be right?
Under the current "non directing" rules aswell it is not allowed to answer such questions as "should i wear the red dress or green dress" If a user responds to this question by saying "put the green dress on" they run the risk of a ban.
Surely the idea of chatrooms is that people can chat! I think to be honest there should be a complain button where individual users can complain to mods if they are being directed rather than leaving it to the mods to decide transgressions."
I think people are getting confused of what you mean, you are not saying you want to report a mod , more the directors to a mod?
Personally ( and this is just my view ) I don't think people need an extra warning about most chat rules (caps being one that could be reminded as sometimes people use caps by accident ) as the rules go through the room every few minutes, if people can't or won't read the rules then they should expect a ban if they break them. I think too many warnings spoil the flow of chat.
Now some would complain that they were banned without a warning, but if they are expecting to be warned first, does that mean they know they are breaking rules in the wrong room ? plus, technically they do get a warning anyway by the site rules going into the room.
I would say the red dress etc conversation would be a very harsh ban if banned for that.. |
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yes ruby i think some have been confused, I am not saying reporting mods.
it is very simple in my eyes, a complain button that users can use if they feel they are being directed in non directing rooms.
this way the mods can chat freely and respond to complaints rather than watch and interpret every sentence that passes through.
PS the red dress scenario I have seen people banned for far less than that, and thats the truth, I have also seen people given a warning for alot more, this is the point I am making, some inconsistancies.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Some peeps have a different veiw on directing i.e what are you wearin,i have seen peeps say... plz dont direct in here.. just for that if that was the case we wud never be away from the complaints and miss the real directors. |
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I dont think so chrissy, because the flip side to that is the people who are in there that dont see that as directing, or ones who dont mind being directed.
Theres an argument for both sides ofcourse, and like I said I am not having a pop at any mods (especially you guys)
But the point I am making is there is no consistency, some people get banned for alot less than some people get warned, its down to mod descression.
My idea of a complaint button seems to have recieved a total negative when in fact it is in my eyes clearly the most sensible option
Maybe i am not explaining it correctly.
Ok last try, take your moderators hat off, infact even better than that, i can give you an exact example of a conversation today in northern chat.
Good looking lass on cam, another person said in the chatroom, wow your hot, get over here.
Is that really the directing you want to ban people for?
Surely this is part of conversation.
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"I dont think so chrissy, because the flip side to that is the people who are in there that dont see that as directing, or ones who dont mind being directed.
Theres an argument for both sides ofcourse, and like I said I am not having a pop at any mods (especially you guys)
But the point I am making is there is no consistency, some people get banned for alot less than some people get warned, its down to mod descression.
My idea of a complaint button seems to have recieved a total negative when in fact it is in my eyes clearly the most sensible option
Maybe i am not explaining it correctly.
Ok last try, take your moderators hat off, infact even better than that, i can give you an exact example of a conversation today in northern chat.
Good looking lass on cam, another person said in the chatroom, wow your hot, get over here.
Is that really the directing you want to ban people for?
Surely this is part of conversation.
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i hate being directed give no warning and block but as one guy said in the room i would because i am a lesbian  oreo is femine but not that girly xxxx |
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"I do think the rules on directing need addressing, currently there are too many diiferent mods taking different stances.
Some mods will warn a user of thier conduct, some mods just ban individuals on first offence, how can that be right?
Under the current "non directing" rules aswell it is not allowed to answer such questions as "should i wear the red dress or green dress" If a user responds to this question by saying "put the green dress on" they run the risk of a ban.
Surely the idea of chatrooms is that people can chat! I think to be honest there should be a complain button where individual users can complain to mods if they are being directed rather than leaving it to the mods to decide transgressions."
Im afraid to say it but i have often seen mods breaking the rules such as flooding or letting their mates get away with it but someone who is new comes in and gets banned straight away. |
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"We have 13 NON Directing rooms where hundreds not a few assemble cos they dont want to be directed they like freindly banter and dont like directers if members carnt read chat rules, they come up in chat every 7 minutes, well thats they fault and they get a time out you can still go in full directing rooms as veiw only untill the room clears abit then you can type so sorry we dont agree with your post."
Totally agree with you on this one. I like to play and sometimes in a non directing room as I don't want to be directed but if its busy and to many peeps want to direct I go to a directing room. But it is a shame really other people spoil ya fun sometimes lol |
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but surely there is "directing" and then there is DIRECTING
If you wer on cam and a guy or girl said give us a twirl, would you consider that offensive?
Now if the guy or girl says bend over darling and show me that lovely ass so i can ram my rod in there, then that is clearly different.
The point I made and has been made by others is simple. There are non directing rules, unfortunately they are not applied equally or sensibly sometimes (not all the time)
So, if your on cam and a guy said the first sentence to you would you hit the complaint button?
Or if the second was directed at you would you complain?
Its a no brainer as far as I am concerned. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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its simple a direction is simply that....it gets u a ban if a mods in....
its fairly black and white to me...
if theres inbetween people will argue the point and then it becomes a nightmare....so it should be black and white..... |
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"its simple a direction is simply that....it gets u a ban if a mods in....
its fairly black and white to me...
if theres inbetween people will argue the point and then it becomes a nightmare....so it should be black and white....."
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"its simple a direction is simply that....it gets u a ban if a mods in....
its fairly black and white to me...
if theres inbetween people will argue the point and then it becomes a nightmare....so it should be black and white....."
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Oh i agree, it should be black and white, but clearly isnt. but basically what your sayin is if a user responds to a question then they should get a ban?
i.e Can you see my cam?
answer- No just your head, lower it a little |
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By *ilandlarryCouple
over a year ago
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"Oh i agree, it should be black and white, but clearly isnt. but basically what your sayin is if a user responds to a question then they should get a ban?
i.e Can you see my cam?
answer- No just your head, lower it a little"
that would mean that mods would have to be reading every single person's conversations and understanding them they way they are meant. Not always possible in a busy room.
The rules are plain and simple. Do not ask someone to do or show something on cam. |
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lil, it means exactly the opposite to be honest, at present the mods have to read every line, and interpret it as black and white directing or not, a complaint button would mean that mods could freely chat and only respnd to complaints.
The over riding factor that people seem to be missing is that in alot of the chat rooms you get the same people every night who build up a rapport, lets just say we have been chatting to gether in the northern room for months and you asked the said question above to me, and I responded in the manner outlined. Would you consider that directing?
No ofcourse not, but the mods at present do (for most users) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Carnt see anything wrong with that at all Check inbox is not classed as directing he has not directed her to do some thing on cam... and its not the best thing to do ,copy and pasting chat |
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thats my point laine, thats my point entirely. this is the kind of directing that mods sometimes mis interpret and ban users for. Clearly not the directing we envisaged in our minds and clearly not the type of directing a user would expect a warning or ban for. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"thats my point laine, thats my point entirely. this is the kind of directing that mods sometimes mis interpret and ban users for. Clearly not the directing we envisaged in our minds and clearly not the type of directing a user would expect a warning or ban for."
I can't believe any mod would ban for asking someone to check their inbox |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"thats my point laine, thats my point entirely. this is the kind of directing that mods sometimes mis interpret and ban users for. Clearly not the directing we envisaged in our minds and clearly not the type of directing a user would expect a warning or ban for."
.... in the mods defense though, I've seen it when scanning over 100 users conversations in a room when busy, and if there is already a lot of directing going on they ban and ban .... the non-directing users expect this. The mods policy is to break up the directing remove offenders and sometimes a couple of innocents get caught up in the sweep. Any complaints against being banned are then taken up with admin. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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u know what i regularly go on cam and i tell the directors off myself and i if they get ban then they deserve it and if u want to do the job for free do it instead of complaining all the time about different mods doing different things it there right they give up there time xxxx |
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By *heRainManMan
over a year ago
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"infactm even better, this is a transcript of an exact conversation that has just taken place
****: lol dont fake ... then again i dont need to with *** xx
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****: *** check your hotmail inbox mylove
there are 2 examples in this short transcript of directing, bannable offences???
Don't fake and check your inbox are hardly asking someone to do something specific on cam.  "
Apart from the fact that I'd be pretty pissed off if I found you cutting and pasting sections of my chat and, as it turns out, doing it out of context, I'm sure it's against the rules.
However, I think this just goes to show how difficult a job the Mods have!
People use shorthand in chat - I'm sure that your 1st example actually means "I don't fake" as a statement of fact, rather than "don't fake" as an instruction! |
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"infactm even better, this is a transcript of an exact conversation that has just taken place
****: lol dont fake ... then again i dont need to with *** xx
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****: *** check your hotmail inbox mylove
there are 2 examples in this short transcript of directing, bannable offences???
Don't fake and check your inbox are hardly asking someone to do something specific on cam. Apart from the fact that I'd be pretty pissed off if I found you cutting and pasting sections of my chat and, as it turns out, doing it out of context, I'm sure it's against the rules.
However, I think this just goes to show how difficult a job the Mods have!
People use shorthand in chat - I'm sure that your 1st example actually means "I don't fake" as a statement of fact, rather than "don't fake" as an instruction!"
i cannot believe those transcripts are still up, we are not allowed to even refer to pms but someone can post whole chunks of chat... |
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By *z ThongzWoman
over a year ago
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I disagree with the op , most people do not want to be directed, thats why they are on cam in a non directing room, as for the banning for directing, now i give my usual ban warning when i enter a busy room which has cams on and directing on screen as i enter , i do not ban at that time as i have just entered i put up the ban warning , if directing continues after that i ban without warning as i cant warn everyone individually in a room of over a hundred people.
I ban for directions , show me ur tits , show me ur pussy , lets see that ass , lower that cam , give us a twirl , these are all black and white directions , so therefore they are banned .
Everytime someone is banned the mod has to fill in a report on the reason they have banned so it is proven and justified.
I do however accept that sometimes mods get it wrong but after all we are only human and with one pair of eyes , one pair of hands , cams to watch , audio to listen to , chat to read , ban reports to fill out surely its acceptable we will on occasionly make a mistake. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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if i want to be directed like i did at 6am this morning i will use a room for it.
failing that i hardly want to be directed or told what to do as i just laugh im in a non directing room |
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Well I've just had a look in two of the directing rooms which are full and in both less than a quarter of the people in there have their cams on which suggests to me that there are a hell of a lot less people wanting to be directed than there are people who want to direct or just watch |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I seriously think the ones encouraging the watchers should be banned too as most dont say in an open room do not direct ggrrr etc etc ... makes a non directing chatroom turn into a drool room for men whos blood rushes to their head and come out with all sorts or dribble no pun intended |
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By (user no longer on site)
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i routinely block people if i am on cam if they ask me to 'smile please'. If im not smiling, im not smiling - people can jog on. Telling me to smile is going to irritate me, and to me a smile request like that is directing, even though some mods mightnt think so. But i block them anyway. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"i routinely block people if i am on cam if they ask me to 'smile please'. If im not smiling, im not smiling - people can jog on. Telling me to smile is going to irritate me, and to me a smile request like that is directing, even though some mods mightnt think so. But i block them anyway."
most mods will not think about banning if some one asks for a smile,if they continue askin they get a warning and then a ban if the keep going |
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