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There are alot of issues with the site, none of which ever seem to get addressed.
Everyone should stop paying for supporters packs until they implement some changes.
The site has been the same for too long now, fab you need to change with the times or genuine swingers are going to go elsewhere and youll just be stuck with a bunch of single men begging for pics.....
Oh damn, its already happened
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As for the topic, the issue around transgender is forever evolving. For myself and many other people gender or sexuality is what you have between the ears rather than what is between your legs. There are many transgender people who live either as full-time women all men but do not have gender reassignment surgery. It is quite offensive to say there are few real Ts here. If the site was to try and capture transgender pansexual non binary cross-dresser transvestite it would be the very hard process to get right. Personally I I would prefer the option of transgender or transvestite in keeping with modern terminology but I am not going to lose sleep over it. I describe myself as transgender and if you wish to find out what is between my legs then simply ask.
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Any knowledge of the trans spectrum would revel this subject as the huge 'can of worms' it potentially is. Where do you stop in defining a person on their journey? Even dedicated tgirl sites have dumbed down the options to cd, tv, pre and post op ts. More to the point as a lot of 'trans' states are as much mental outlook as physical form I suspect it would further confuse the poster... Without offence I suspect guys want to search for a tgirl with 'real tits', in reality that isn't a label and anyone under hormone therapy will likely consider themselves to have 'real tits' but the searcher likely wouldn't.
Personally I don't see it as a issue as things are, as someone with good intelligence on here suggested earlier people could simply read profiles and become enlightened.
The 'fine tuning' also goes beyond trans... i'm a pansexual but there's no option to select that... Does it hinder me in meeting people? No
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"Op seeing as you are straight and not looking for a TV or TS .why should it bother you .
Why dissect a small group even more anyway ."
Maybe we need a new category filter for "guys who are hiding the fact they want to be bummed by a tgirl from their wife" x |
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over a year ago
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"Op seeing as you are straight and not looking for a TV or TS .why should it bother you .
Why dissect a small group even more anyway .
Maybe we need a new category filter for "guys who are hiding the fact they want to be bummed by a tgirl from their wife" x"
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"Op seeing as you are straight and not looking for a TV or TS .why should it bother you .
Why dissect a small group even more anyway ."
Maybe he thinks that being with a TS who is somone that lives as a women 24/7 and ususly is on hormones and breasts doesn't make him bi or gay because hes not interested in men whats so ever, where as a tv is somone that dresses part time and still lives part of their live as a guy??
Hence why he was asking for two separate catorgorys because the two are very different.
Seen this topic come up quite a few times on the forums and for some reason its only the "tv" side of the tv/ts that want to keep the two in the same catorgory for what ever reason. |
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Also maybe thats why hes not got the looking for tv/ts on his profile because it makes him look like hes potentialy seeking to meet a tv when he isnt.
And if they was separated he would quite happily have looking for females and ts on his profile? |
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I'm a little late to the topic, but I'd agree the gender options on here are pretty awkward. I'm a bloke who likes to express himself in a more feminine way from time to time - not a woman born with male physical attributes.
What's really needed is some indication of male to female or female to male. My boyfriend is on this site and although he's a full-time male, and has had corrective surgery and hormone treatment, he still has a vagina - and people might like to know that when they're searching the site.
There's no gender option that covers his situation, and there really ought to be. |
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"Op seeing as you are straight and not looking for a TV or TS .why should it bother you .
Why dissect a small group even more anyway .
Maybe he thinks that being with a TS who is somone that lives as a women 24/7 and ususly is on hormones and breasts doesn't make him bi or gay because hes not interested in men whats so ever, where as a tv is somone that dresses part time and still lives part of their live as a guy??
Hence why he was asking for two separate catorgorys because the two are very different.
Seen this topic come up quite a few times on the forums and for some reason its only the "tv" side of the tv/ts that want to keep the two in the same catorgory for what ever reason."
for the simple reason the TV/ TS is a minority group anyway .why the need to fragment it even more .you can put what you are in your profile but there again not many can be bothered to read profiles they look at a PIC and say" hey I fancy some of that"..we are what we are .look and learn and don't think with your dick |
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"Op seeing as you are straight and not looking for a TV or TS .why should it bother you .
Why dissect a small group even more anyway .
Maybe he thinks that being with a TS who is somone that lives as a women 24/7 and ususly is on hormones and breasts doesn't make him bi or gay because hes not interested in men whats so ever, where as a tv is somone that dresses part time and still lives part of their live as a guy??
Hence why he was asking for two separate catorgorys because the two are very different.
Seen this topic come up quite a few times on the forums and for some reason its only the "tv" side of the tv/ts that want to keep the two in the same catorgory for what ever reason.for the simple reason the TV/ TS is a minority group anyway .why the need to fragment it even more .you can put what you are in your profile but there again not many can be bothered to read profiles they look at a PIC and say" hey I fancy some of that"..we are what we are .look and learn and don't think with your dick "
As i said...its only the tv side of the tv/ts that want to stay in same category...big deal if if its small minority group...the two are as different as chalk and cheese and people like your self are denying the ts side their own identity on here...most if not all ts girls want to be separated from the tvs.
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"Op seeing as you are straight and not looking for a TV or TS .why should it bother you .
Why dissect a small group even more anyway .
Maybe he thinks that being with a TS who is somone that lives as a women 24/7 and ususly is on hormones and breasts doesn't make him bi or gay because hes not interested in men whats so ever, where as a tv is somone that dresses part time and still lives part of their live as a guy??
Hence why he was asking for two separate catorgorys because the two are very different.
Seen this topic come up quite a few times on the forums and for some reason its only the "tv" side of the tv/ts that want to keep the two in the same catorgory for what ever reason.for the simple reason the TV/ TS is a minority group anyway .why the need to fragment it even more .you can put what you are in your profile but there again not many can be bothered to read profiles they look at a PIC and say" hey I fancy some of that"..we are what we are .look and learn and don't think with your dick
As i said...its only the tv side of the tv/ts that want to stay in same category...big deal if if its small minority group...the two are as different as chalk and cheese and people like your self are denying the ts side their own identity on here...most if not all ts girls want to be separated from the tvs.
Your being selfish. "
I disagree. I would consider myself ts as much as anything, I dress fem all day every day. But I couldn't care less really about categories on a website. If other ts's want that then that's fine by me but tbh I think you are over generalising and making assumptions, claiming to know what all ts's tv's want. |
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"Op seeing as you are straight and not looking for a TV or TS .why should it bother you .
Why dissect a small group even more anyway .
Maybe he thinks that being with a TS who is somone that lives as a women 24/7 and ususly is on hormones and breasts doesn't make him bi or gay because hes not interested in men whats so ever, where as a tv is somone that dresses part time and still lives part of their live as a guy??
Hence why he was asking for two separate catorgorys because the two are very different.
Seen this topic come up quite a few times on the forums and for some reason its only the "tv" side of the tv/ts that want to keep the two in the same catorgory for what ever reason.for the simple reason the TV/ TS is a minority group anyway .why the need to fragment it even more .you can put what you are in your profile but there again not many can be bothered to read profiles they look at a PIC and say" hey I fancy some of that"..we are what we are .look and learn and don't think with your dick
As i said...its only the tv side of the tv/ts that want to stay in same category...big deal if if its small minority group...the two are as different as chalk and cheese and people like your self are denying the ts side their own identity on here...most if not all ts girls want to be separated from the tvs.
Your being selfish.
I disagree. I would consider myself ts as much as anything, I dress fem all day every day. But I couldn't care less really about categories on a website. If other ts's want that then that's fine by me but tbh I think you are over generalising and making assumptions, claiming to know what all ts's tv's want. "
Im only going by what ive seen and read on here over the years when these topics come up on the forums and seeing ts girls agreeing and asking to be separated for the most part anyway.
So i dont feel im generalizing at all, im going by what ive seen with my own eyes.
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Anyways i only commented because a couple of tvs was giving the op a hard time asking him why hasnt he got looking for tvs on his profile and if hes straight it shouldn't concern him.
My response was simple...maybe the OP would have looking for TS if that was an option but it isnt and wont put looking for ts/tv because that makes it look like hes interested in cross dressers too.
As i said the difference between a tv and a ts is as vast as an ocean.
So it just seems common sense to me they should be separated.
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"Anyways i only commented because a couple of tvs was giving the op a hard time asking him why hasnt he got looking for tvs on his profile and if hes straight it shouldn't concern him.
My response was simple...maybe the OP would have looking for TS if that was an option but it isnt and wont put looking for ts/tv because that makes it look like hes interested in cross dressers too.
As i said the difference between a tv and a ts is as vast as an ocean.
So it just seems common sense to me they should be separated.
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Interesting to know what you consider the difference between a TS and TV. How would the site police this? Because appearance wise often no difference between a TS and TV. It's what inside people's heads that make a difference. |
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"Anyways i only commented because a couple of tvs was giving the op a hard time asking him why hasnt he got looking for tvs on his profile and if hes straight it shouldn't concern him.
My response was simple...maybe the OP would have looking for TS if that was an option but it isnt and wont put looking for ts/tv because that makes it look like hes interested in cross dressers too.
As i said the difference between a tv and a ts is as vast as an ocean.
So it just seems common sense to me they should be separated.
Interesting to know what you consider the difference between a TS and TV. How would the site police this? Because appearance wise often no difference between a TS and TV. It's what inside people's heads that make a difference."
I dunno how do other sites police it as from what ive read fab is the only site that puts cds,tvs,and ts all in same catorgory.
Difference between a tv and ts is that a ts is somone with gender dismophia and feels they was born in the wrong body and is usually taking hormones, testosterone blockers and other transitions...a tv is somome still living as a guy and dresses up.
I personsly think its unfair putting them all together.
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"Anyways i only commented because a couple of tvs was giving the op a hard time asking him why hasnt he got looking for tvs on his profile and if hes straight it shouldn't concern him.
My response was simple...maybe the OP would have looking for TS if that was an option but it isnt and wont put looking for ts/tv because that makes it look like hes interested in cross dressers too.
As i said the difference between a tv and a ts is as vast as an ocean.
So it just seems common sense to me they should be separated.
Interesting to know what you consider the difference between a TS and TV. How would the site police this? Because appearance wise often no difference between a TS and TV. It's what inside people's heads that make a difference.
I dunno how do other sites police it as from what ive read fab is the only site that puts cds,tvs,and ts all in same catorgory.
Difference between a tv and ts is that a ts is somone with gender dismophia and feels they was born in the wrong body and is usually taking hormones, testosterone blockers and other transitions...a tv is somome still living as a guy and dresses up.
I personsly think its unfair putting them all together.
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its not that simple .I come somewhere between the two .how many different groups does there have to be .... |
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"Anyways i only commented because a couple of tvs was giving the op a hard time asking him why hasnt he got looking for tvs on his profile and if hes straight it shouldn't concern him.
My response was simple...maybe the OP would have looking for TS if that was an option but it isnt and wont put looking for ts/tv because that makes it look like hes interested in cross dressers too.
As i said the difference between a tv and a ts is as vast as an ocean.
So it just seems common sense to me they should be separated.
Interesting to know what you consider the difference between a TS and TV. How would the site police this? Because appearance wise often no difference between a TS and TV. It's what inside people's heads that make a difference.
I dunno how do other sites police it as from what ive read fab is the only site that puts cds,tvs,and ts all in same catorgory.
Difference between a tv and ts is that a ts is somone with gender dismophia and feels they was born in the wrong body and is usually taking hormones, testosterone blockers and other transitions...a tv is somome still living as a guy and dresses up.
I personsly think its unfair putting them all together.
its not that simple .I come somewhere between the two .how many different groups does there have to be ...."
This is the point to me, from a subjective view. I get that some transgender people feel a need to assert their identity and separate themselves from "mere" cross dressers. But then to be fair to everybody, separating tg from tv just isn't going to cut it I think. There are just so many different expressions of tg and so many different ways in which we live it.
Honestly it can be a trans-political minefield, people can get extremely het up over the question of who is "real" trans and who is more trans than who.
Really I find it quite refreshing in a way that this site doesn't even attempt to address all of these nuances and leaves it down to the individual to describe themselves without being forced to choose from multiple options which to me are always going to be limited and pigeon-holed and debatable even if there twenty of them.
Seeing as this thread was started from the pov of somebody searching rather than giving people more options to self-label, I think on the whole I would be against pandering to that kind of laziness or even prejudice.
Just because somebody identifies as trans that's no guarantee that they'd be more a searcher's cup of tea than somebody who identifies as transvestite. Would we then have a whole load of other subsections? Pre-op, post-op, trans but not intending any physical changes for whatever reason. The list could be epic.
And then what about sexuality? I mean if you use bisexual as a search criteria, then that's a vague and variable term that covers all kinds of tastes and behaviours. Maybe we should ask for endless subdivisions there too, bi top, bi bottom, bi penetrative, non-penetrative, yada yada ad infinitum.
It's not that hard to run a search, check out those who appeal, god forbid even read their profile or actually talk to them and find out what you'd like to know. Use the block option to narrow down future searches.
Sure, there are many tg/ts who resent being lumped together with tv and x-dressers. I'm not one of them but I can sympathise. I'm quite happy to express my individuality in my profile text and if someone searching can't be arsed to read it or talk to me then that's their loss.
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"Anyways i only commented because a couple of tvs was giving the op a hard time asking him why hasnt he got looking for tvs on his profile and if hes straight it shouldn't concern him.
My response was simple...maybe the OP would have looking for TS if that was an option but it isnt and wont put looking for ts/tv because that makes it look like hes interested in cross dressers too.
As i said the difference between a tv and a ts is as vast as an ocean.
So it just seems common sense to me they should be separated.
Interesting to know what you consider the difference between a TS and TV. How would the site police this? Because appearance wise often no difference between a TS and TV. It's what inside people's heads that make a difference.
I dunno how do other sites police it as from what ive read fab is the only site that puts cds,tvs,and ts all in same catorgory.
Difference between a tv and ts is that a ts is somone with gender dismophia and feels they was born in the wrong body and is usually taking hormones, testosterone blockers and other transitions...a tv is somome still living as a guy and dresses up.
I personsly think its unfair putting them all together.
its not that simple .I come somewhere between the two .how many different groups does there have to be ....
This is the point to me, from a subjective view. I get that some transgender people feel a need to assert their identity and separate themselves from "mere" cross dressers. But then to be fair to everybody, separating tg from tv just isn't going to cut it I think. There are just so many different expressions of tg and so many different ways in which we live it.
Honestly it can be a trans-political minefield, people can get extremely het up over the question of who is "real" trans and who is more trans than who.
Really I find it quite refreshing in a way that this site doesn't even attempt to address all of these nuances and leaves it down to the individual to describe themselves without being forced to choose from multiple options which to me are always going to be limited and pigeon-holed and debatable even if there twenty of them.
Seeing as this thread was started from the pov of somebody searching rather than giving people more options to self-label, I think on the whole I would be against pandering to that kind of laziness or even prejudice.
Just because somebody identifies as trans that's no guarantee that they'd be more a searcher's cup of tea than somebody who identifies as transvestite. Would we then have a whole load of other subsections? Pre-op, post-op, trans but not intending any physical changes for whatever reason. The list could be epic.
And then what about sexuality? I mean if you use bisexual as a search criteria, then that's a vague and variable term that covers all kinds of tastes and behaviours. Maybe we should ask for endless subdivisions there too, bi top, bi bottom, bi penetrative, non-penetrative, yada yada ad infinitum.
It's not that hard to run a search, check out those who appeal, god forbid even read their profile or actually talk to them and find out what you'd like to know. Use the block option to narrow down future searches.
Sure, there are many tg/ts who resent being lumped together with tv and x-dressers. I'm not one of them but I can sympathise. I'm quite happy to express my individuality in my profile text and if someone searching can't be arsed to read it or talk to me then that's their loss.
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Yes i agree its a mine field but look at all the replys to the op.
People saying why dont you hsve tvs listed on his profile, why does his profile say straight and hes looking for tv/ts (you mentiomed about why put labels on people and yet here you are putting lable on the op), then there is a tv saying we need a new lable for guys wanting to be bummed by tvs.
I came here to defend the guy as he may well see going with an attractive TS as still being straight and not bi hence why he didn't have the lookimg for tv/ts option on his profile because by doing so people will think hes up for meeting cds therefore making him bi.
You all talk about mot needing to put a lable on people but you was all happy to put a lable on the op.
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There use to be some very vocal TS girls on here on previous similar threads.
From what i can see most have left.
And probably because they was lumped in with guys that like to "dress up" its insulting to anyone thats been transitioning from teens,taking medications, having operations to be put in same catorgory as a guy named fred that likes to put on some make up and a drsss and roll play bring female for the weekend. |
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"There use to be some very vocal TS girls on here on previous similar threads.
From what i can see most have left.
And probably because they was lumped in with guys that like to "dress up" its insulting to anyone thats been transitioning from teens,taking medications, having operations to be put in same catorgory as a guy named fred that likes to put on some make up and a drsss and roll play bring female for the weekend. "
I'm not called Fred .I'm called Stace ..I do not insult any TS .everyone has a life ,everyone makes their choices .the TV / TS group is small enough to start with. Why dissect it any more and cause even more confusion .you see your response shows how little you know about our world .I think you are confusing a CD with a t girl now .some of us live life to the full as,a female.its not a case of simply putting on a dress.I will stand up and fight for anyone that comes in our category on fab be it CD/ TV / TG it TS.we are a little community .the only problems I see seem to stem from outside our world |
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"There use to be some very vocal TS girls on here on previous similar threads.
From what i can see most have left.
And probably because they was lumped in with guys that like to "dress up" its insulting to anyone thats been transitioning from teens,taking medications, having operations to be put in same catorgory as a guy named fred that likes to put on some make up and a drsss and roll play bring female for the weekend. I'm not called Fred .I'm called Stace ..I do not insult any TS .everyone has a life ,everyone makes their choices .the TV / TS group is small enough to start with. Why dissect it any more and cause even more confusion .you see your response shows how little you know about our world .I think you are confusing a CD with a t girl now .some of us live life to the full as,a female.its not a case of simply putting on a dress.I will stand up and fight for anyone that comes in our category on fab be it CD/ TV / TG it TS.we are a little community .the only problems I see seem to stem from outside our world "
I didnt say you was called fred as i wanting talking about any one individual.
I was generalizing.
You took what i wrote as a personsl insult so i apologise for that misunderstanding.
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"Yes i agree its a mine field but look at all the replys to the op.
People saying why dont you hsve tvs listed on his profile, why does his profile say straight and hes looking for tv/ts (you mentiomed about why put labels on people and yet here you are putting lable on the op), then there is a tv saying we need a new lable for guys wanting to be bummed by tvs.
I came here to defend the guy as he may well see going with an attractive TS as still being straight and not bi hence why he didn't have the lookimg for tv/ts option on his profile because by doing so people will think hes up for meeting cds therefore making him bi.
You all talk about mot needing to put a lable on people but you was all happy to put a lable on the op.
Double standards much?"
Where exactly did I "label" the OP? If you'd like to point that out for me, so I can debate your accusation of hypocrisy.
You're defending a guy based on what you think he "may well feel". Personally I couldn't care less what "looking for" boxes a guy has ticked. If a ticked box makes people think he's looking for something he's not, sure that's their problem if they can't be arsed to talk to him and find out.
"There use to be some very vocal TS girls on here on previous similar threads.
From what i can see most have left.
And probably because they was lumped in with guys that like to "dress up" its insulting to anyone thats been transitioning from teens,taking medications, having operations to be put in same catorgory as a guy named fred that likes to put on some make up and a drsss and roll play bring female for the weekend. "
Yes. I know that some trans people are insulted by having to tick the same box as somebody who lives their physical gender but enjoys cross dressing. I already said that, and gave my reasons for personally thinking that the site is ok this way.
Maybe there's an argument for extending the gender options here. After all, ts/tg is a gender thing whilst tv/cd for some belongs more properly in the category of sexual tastes and behaviours.
But I still think that any amount of options is going to exclude some and confuse others. |
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Simples really new options listing;
Male,female,couple m/f,couple m/m, couple f/f, other (box to fill in whatever person you wish to be described as), Oh and alien (because I am One!)
Might prove an issue on the searches, but at least every denomination is covered...
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The spectrum is far too big even within the TS/TV range to have individuals as individuals....
Think lads watch far too much porn and get confused with porn stars and TS/TV categories....
For me ... it is what it is ..... it’s been debated over and over again and nothing changes .... once of my biggest bug bears is NOT reading a profile and only looking at the pics .... some of us spend time on our profile and by reading it, gives you some insight into that person .....
it’s not hard or complicated ..... but Fab is what it is ... and apart from telling folk to “jog on” when I get silly messages .... it works fine for me .... |
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"There are alot of issues with the site, none of which ever seem to get addressed.
Everyone should stop paying for supporters packs until they implement some changes.
The site has been the same for too long now, fab you need to change with the times or genuine swingers are going to go elsewhere and youll just be stuck with a bunch of single men begging for pics.....
Oh damn, its already happened
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"There are alot of issues with the site, none of which ever seem to get addressed.
Everyone should stop paying for supporters packs until they implement some changes.
The site has been the same for too long now, fab you need to change with the times or genuine swingers are going to go elsewhere and youll just be stuck with a bunch of single men begging for pics.....
Oh damn, its already happened
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Regardless of how the Fab site uses its terms, it would be really helpful if individuals could just take a little time to clarify things in their own profile - in simple terms - please everso...?
One of the terms that really confuses me is "T-Girl" as it seems to change vastly with time and location...
25 years ago, I lived in a area where "T-Girl" specifically meant a TG person who had fully transitioned (with or without surgery)
Then 15 years ago, I lived in an area where "T-Girl" specificaly meant a dedicated TV who was NOT TG and who had no interest in transitioning...
Now, an online search tends to suggest that "T-Girl" means someone who is more TG, but who has no interest in giving up her "male bits"...
No doubt, in a few years, or in another place, it will have changed again...
I know who I'd like to meet, but I really have dificulty in understanding some of your self-definitions - and I don't think that it's just me being dumb... Please can you help us out...
Thank you! |
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"Regardless of how the Fab site uses its terms, it would be really helpful if individuals could just take a little time to clarify things in their own profile - in simple terms - please everso...?
One of the terms that really confuses me is "T-Girl" as it seems to change vastly with time and location...
25 years ago, I lived in a area where "T-Girl" specifically meant a TG person who had fully transitioned (with or without surgery)
Then 15 years ago, I lived in an area where "T-Girl" specificaly meant a dedicated TV who was NOT TG and who had no interest in transitioning...
Now, an online search tends to suggest that "T-Girl" means someone who is more TG, but who has no interest in giving up her "male bits"...
No doubt, in a few years, or in another place, it will have changed again...
I know who I'd like to meet, but I really have dificulty in understanding some of your self-definitions - and I don't think that it's just me being dumb... Please can you help us out...
Thank you! "
I'm in the part... I'm more TV but will not go the whole way. I will keep my" bits" ...I've had three friends do the full transition then change dramatically .I'm not talking bits,and pieces .I'm talking about mental change and total loss of any confidence they once had . for me you can keep that bit . I am what I am and I'm 100% happy the way I am .I always explain to people what I am then i still get the stupid questions "_so have you got boobs? " " have you got a pussy? ". I do question those that do the full change nor should they question me. Each to their own .but I see no reason to break this group up any more . |
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"Regardless of how the Fab site uses its terms, it would be really helpful if individuals could just take a little time to clarify things in their own profile - in simple terms - please everso...?
One of the terms that really confuses me is "T-Girl" as it seems to change vastly with time and location...
25 years ago, I lived in a area where "T-Girl" specifically meant a TG person who had fully transitioned (with or without surgery)
Then 15 years ago, I lived in an area where "T-Girl" specificaly meant a dedicated TV who was NOT TG and who had no interest in transitioning...
Now, an online search tends to suggest that "T-Girl" means someone who is more TG, but who has no interest in giving up her "male bits"...
No doubt, in a few years, or in another place, it will have changed again...
I know who I'd like to meet, but I really have dificulty in understanding some of your self-definitions - and I don't think that it's just me being dumb... Please can you help us out...
Thank you! "
I call myself a t-girl as it covers a lot of bases and doesn't make me feel like I'm stuck in a pigeonhole. It's quite a flexible term, I like that about it, but for me it means that I identify more as female than male although I have a male body, and dress female all day every day. Not particularly convincingly, but that's a separate issue and I don't much care anyway.
I will never transition. I've considered it on and off since my early 20s but now I don't think it's something that will ever happen, mostly because of my age and health. Health issues make hormones risky, and what is medically possible in surgery on a young body is not the same as what can be done with a 50 year old.
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"Regardless of how the Fab site uses its terms, it would be really helpful if individuals could just take a little time to clarify things in their own profile - in simple terms - please everso...?
One of the terms that really confuses me is "T-Girl" as it seems to change vastly with time and location...
25 years ago, I lived in a area where "T-Girl" specifically meant a TG person who had fully transitioned (with or without surgery)
Then 15 years ago, I lived in an area where "T-Girl" specificaly meant a dedicated TV who was NOT TG and who had no interest in transitioning...
Now, an online search tends to suggest that "T-Girl" means someone who is more TG, but who has no interest in giving up her "male bits"...
No doubt, in a few years, or in another place, it will have changed again...
I know who I'd like to meet, but I really have dificulty in understanding some of your self-definitions - and I don't think that it's just me being dumb... Please can you help us out...
Thank you! I'm in the part... I'm more TV but will not go the whole way. I will keep my" bits" ...I've had three friends do the full transition then change dramatically .I'm not talking bits,and pieces .I'm talking about mental change and total loss of any confidence they once had . for me you can keep that bit . I am what I am and I'm 100% happy the way I am .I always explain to people what I am then i still get the stupid questions "_so have you got boobs? " " have you got a pussy? ". I do question those that do the full change nor should they question me. Each to their own .but I see no reason to break this group up any more ."
that was" I don't question others " my phone changed the word .these smart phones are really clever |
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I call myself a t-girl as it covers a lot of bases .. It's quite a flexible term... for me it means that I identify more as female than male although I have a male body, and dress female all day every day.
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Thank you very much for clarifying in this Thread.
The issue that I was trying to make was that if that isn't written in your profile, or in anyone else's, then how is my tiny brain (the size of a planet, but vastly uder-used!) able to devine those unwriten facts?
All I asked was if people could please say in their own Profile just how they would like to be understood...
Thank you (with a nice smile!)
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"Regardless of how the Fab site uses its terms, it would be really helpful if individuals could just take a little time to clarify things in their own profile - in simple terms - please everso...?
One of the terms that really confuses me is "T-Girl" as it seems to change vastly with time and location...
25 years ago, I lived in a area where "T-Girl" specifically meant a TG person who had fully transitioned (with or without surgery)
Then 15 years ago, I lived in an area where "T-Girl" specificaly meant a dedicated TV who was NOT TG and who had no interest in transitioning...
Now, an online search tends to suggest that "T-Girl" means someone who is more TG, but who has no interest in giving up her "male bits"...
No doubt, in a few years, or in another place, it will have changed again...
I know who I'd like to meet, but I really have dificulty in understanding some of your self-definitions - and I don't think that it's just me being dumb... Please can you help us out...
Thank you! I'm in the part... I'm more TV but will not go the whole way. I will keep my" bits" ...I've had three friends do the full transition then change dramatically .I'm not talking bits,and pieces .I'm talking about mental change and total loss of any confidence they once had . for me you can keep that bit . I am what I am and I'm 100% happy the way I am .I always explain to people what I am then i still get the stupid questions "_so have you got boobs? " " have you got a pussy? ". I do question those that do the full change nor should they question me. Each to their own .but I see no reason to break this group up any more .that was" I don't question others " my phone changed the word .these smart phones are really clever "
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" .that was" I don't question others " my phone changed the word .these smart phones are really clever "
One good reason why I have had all traces of a smart phone surgically removed from my person - forever....
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"One good reason why I have had all traces of a smart phone surgically removed from my person - forever....
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"Surely a smartphone is only as smart as it's user "
Ironic though that any time you save with autocorset, you then have to spend checking your writing before you post |
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"One good reason why I have had all traces of a smart phone surgically removed from my person - forever....
That sounds more like the fall out from an overly adventurous sex life "
Damn - I hate it when people can see right through me... 
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Labels divide more than they clarify! Which is why it's always good to read an individual's own take on what they enjoy, prefer and are seeking and their own take on who they are... nobody else can clarify that but themselves.
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In my experience anyone who has struggled and figured out their sexual identity have along the way pretty much figured themselves out as human beings in the process not a claim a lot other so called adults can make.
As for smart phones, I think I got the village idiot version! For every two words I type it deletes one, I suspect it's trying to sensor me |
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"Labels divide more than they clarify! Which is why it's always good to read an individual's own take on what they enjoy, prefer and are seeking and their own take on who they are... nobody else can clarify that but themselves.
This is my second time today to type the following sentence
In my experience anyone who has struggled and figured out their sexual identity have along the way pretty much figured themselves out as human beings in the process not a claim a lot other so called adults can make.
As for smart phones, I think I got the village idiot version! For every two words I type it deletes one, I suspect it's trying to sensor me "
I used to have a phone that did that. My theory was that the internet steals words and then uses them to troll people randomly with incomprehensible posts.
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"I agree should have option for every gender or relationship "
Can you imagine the admin work though. You would need loads of options and there would still be people who felt excluded/offended.
To the OP I would point out that you are not being tagged as a TV, but tagged with TVs. |
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There is a general opinion among many trans folk that we are in the same place that gay folk were 25 years ago in terms of equality.
The problem that needs addressing is not specifically folk like the OP but the so called Trans community.
There is a large part of this so called community who like to say "i am nothing like you" rather than identifying where we are alike, its half glass empty rather than half glass full.
Until trans folk become a proper community they will always languish behind everyone else |
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