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Trans / "women".

By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man over a year ago

salisbury

I understand people wanting TV separated from TS. But why now are TS becoming women? I don't want to be contacted by TS or TV's. I have no sexual interest in them. Now i've noticed a couple of these lucky people have managed to become "fab" women. Is this just a filter bypass? Or have they become legally feminised? Surely still TV/TS?

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By *eneathTheDiamondSkyWoman over a year ago

East Anglia

Trans women who have undergone gender reassignment might identify as trans-women or might identify simply as women (feeling that being trans is something they went through to arrive at their true gender).

Gender reassignment might include social, medical and legal steps (e.g. name change, appearance change, hormones, surgery) but needn't include all of them.

Trans people can apply for a gender recognition certificate which changes their legal sex for all purposes.

So a person who was assigned male at birth (meaning they were given a male birth certificate), might identify as a woman or might legally be a woman.

It'll always be your choice who you want to have sex with, just as these women may or may not want to have sex with you.

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By *r KippleMan over a year ago

London

Does that mean that once the lady has undergone her process, it is fine and above board to have a female profile and continue as thus?

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By *v_heatherTV/TS over a year ago

Leeds

Well yes. (And would probably open up legal problems if not.)

Its entirely possible that this would be the case with someone you've already had sex with

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By *ortadowncplCouple over a year ago

Portadown

A trans woman may or may not have a penis but in many places can be recognised as a legal woman. Obviously the opposite is true for trans men.

This is quite a hot topic all over the western world where we have so much freedom that we start to fuck around with truths that are as old as humans.

My personal opinion is that everyone has the right to live however they find joy and contentment but I’m not going to pretend that a woman is a man and vice versa just to save the feelings of a very minuscule percentage of the population who have an identity issue.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man over a year ago

salisbury

"Well yes. (And would probably open up legal problems if not.)

Its entirely possible that this would be the case with someone you've already had sex with

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF) over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

"Well yes. (And would probably open up legal problems if not.)

Its entirely possible that this would be the case with someone you've already had sex with

I really don't believe what I have just read, but then again maybe I do.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS over a year ago

Durham

"Well yes. (And would probably open up legal problems if not.)

Its entirely possible that this would be the case with someone you've already had sex with

How did you know she was legally a woman? Did you check her passport?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why is women in quote marks?

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man over a year ago

salisbury

"Why is women in quote marks?"

It's all in the OP

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By *oyingirlsclothesTV/TS over a year ago

swansea

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By *oyingirlsclothesTV/TS over a year ago

swansea

What a world we live in.

When my gender reassignment I will identify as a 'woman'. Don't worry though I won't come chasing you and will always discuss my story with a partner first.

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By *lceeWoman over a year ago

Leeds

If you identify as a woman then you’re a woman. I don’t really understand how you can’t be. Some may be transitioning, others might be genderfluid (like me). I was born a female but I range from one end of the gender spectrum to the other. It’s tough to explain exactly how that feels, but I guess that’s why I stick to just being female on here and bugger off when my counter ticks too far out. If a female born biologically male contacts you, you’ve got every right to say thanks but no thanks.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man over a year ago

salisbury

What a world we live in.

When my gender reassignment I will identify as a 'woman'. Don't worry though I won't come chasing you and will always discuss my story with a partner first. "

And after your reassignment you WILL be a woman.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man over a year ago

salisbury

"If you identify as a woman then you’re a woman. I don’t really understand how you can’t be. Some may be transitioning, others might be genderfluid (like me). I was born a female but I range from one end of the gender spectrum to the other. It’s tough to explain exactly how that feels, but I guess that’s why I stick to just being female on here and bugger off when my counter ticks too far out. If a female born biologically male contacts you, you’ve got every right to say thanks but no thanks. "

I disagree. I believe if you're legally a woman you're a woman.

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By *lceeWoman over a year ago

Leeds

I disagree. I believe if you're legally a woman you're a woman. "

Hence why I campaign for changes in the law. I honestly don’t see why anyone gets their knickers in a twist about stuff like this - everyone drops in at different points on the sexuality and gender spectrums. You like what you like and cheerfully say no to anything else.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man over a year ago

salisbury

I disagree. I believe if you're legally a woman you're a woman.

If i want to drive a Porsche, that's what i want to drive. Not a Ford that identifies as a Porsche. I don't want to organise a test drive then find out its just a ford with a Porsche badge. I merely want to be able to search accurately for whom i want.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I cant believe the contradictions of the OP im reading here

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man over a year ago

salisbury

I cant believe the contradictions of the OP im reading here

What's the problem?

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By *v_heatherTV/TS over a year ago

Leeds

"If i want to drive a Porsche, that's what i want to drive. Not a Ford that identifies as a Porsche. I don't want to organise a test drive then find out its just a ford with a Porsche badge. I merely want to be able to search accurately for whom i want. "

I suppose you could have expressed yourself more offensively or in a way that made you look more of a tool. But it would have required some effort.

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF) over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

I cant believe the contradictions of the OP im reading here

What's the problem? "

You apparently.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I disagree. I believe if you're legally a woman you're a woman.

You have the right to insist you get a Porsche and not a Ford because they're inanimate objects you're paying for... as you're not paying anyone here for anything and people aren't objects on Fab then you have to use your social skills, discernment and hopefully some manners so you don't get unwanted life experiences... But it's often said that those who think about things they don't want as much as the things they do want, will magnetise those unwanted experiences to them due to the law of attraction...

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man over a year ago

salisbury

I disagree. I believe if you're legally a woman you're a woman.

If that's the case, fab may as well drop all filters and all classification of gender. Everyone can just take pot luck.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I disagree. I believe if you're legally a woman you're a woman.

If that's the case, fab may as well drop all filters and all classification of gender. Everyone can just take pot luck. "

I'm taking the piss but it might not be that obvious

lol x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If someone has had full op and has female parts then she would have also undertaken the legal steps to become a woman legally

So physically and legally she is a woman she has every right to have a female profile and you probably may find that if they got to a stage that they felt they should share the fact they have under gone this surgery then they will tell you

Before that what business is it to anyone else?

Some trans people start an entire new life as well and work friend ect will only of known them as a woman...enough ppl are shit scared I'd being outed for being on fab let alone being outed for being on fab and the fact that once in the past they was male

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well yes. (And would probably open up legal problems if not.)

Its entirely possible that this would be the case with someone you've already had sex with

Just me talking personally if someone has a cock, then they are a man. Yes, others will argue there are grey areas, but for me there isn't. I wouldn't play with a man dressed as a man, TV/TS, a lady boy or any other combination.

A piece of paper saying a man is a woman, doesn't really hold with me. Especially if there is a cock involved.

I don't have a problem with how anyone identifies, straight, bi, gay, TV, TS, pre op, post op. I just know what I like and don't like.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man over a year ago

salisbury

"If someone has had full op and has female parts then she would have also undertaken the legal steps to become a woman legally

Before that what business is it to anyone else?

I agree. These individuals have every legal right to call themselves women.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If someone has had full op and has female parts then she would have also undertaken the legal steps to become a woman legally

Before that what business is it to anyone else?

I agree. These individuals have every legal right to call themselves women.

Personally I think the problem is the tv/ts catorgry it ranges from cross dresser using it to post op trans using it its like putting a zebra and a horse together and saying they are the same thing lol

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man over a year ago

salisbury

"If someone has had full op and has female parts then she would have also undertaken the legal steps to become a woman legally

Before that what business is it to anyone else?

I agree. These individuals have every legal right to call themselves women.

Exactly. This will all be fun and games until someone is assaulted for not being a natural woman.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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If the people you are talking about are presenting as a female as they are transitioning they would normally have that on their profile.

If you think someone is trying to dupe people into thinking they are female then I would report.

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By *loria cdTV/TS over a year ago

Exeter

"Personally I think the problem is the tv/ts catorgry it ranges from cross dresser using it to post op trans using it its like putting a zebra and a horse together and saying they are the same thing lol"

Completely agree. If there was an alternative to tv/ts I'd use it. My profile is clear, but the very artificial classification used by Fab means that I'm just as much in the wrong place as I would be showing as a man. Time to recognise that there is a sexual spectrum and we are all on it somewhere - or maybe we move around!

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man over a year ago

salisbury

If the people you are talking about are presenting as a female as they are transitioning they would normally have that on their profile.

If you think someone is trying to dupe people into thinking they are female then I would report."

Ah ok. I thought people transitioning were transsexual so would use the TS option. I thought they would be women when they were legally women. Wrong again eh!?

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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According to what I have found it says if TG are transitioning they can be classed as a woman, so it could be why you have seen profiles like this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_the_United_Kingdom

"Since 4 April 2005, as per the Gender Recognition Act 2004, it is possible for transgender people to change their legal gender in the UK, allowing them to acquire a new birth certificate, affording them full recognition of their acquired sex in law for all purposes. Transgender people must present evidence to a Gender Recognition Panel, which considers their case and issues a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC); they must have transitioned two years before a GRC is issued. It is not a requirement for sex reassignment surgery to have taken place, although such surgery will be accepted as part of the supporting evidence for a case where it has taken place. There is formal approval of medical gender reassignment available either on the National Health Service (NHS) or privately."

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By *heIcebreakersCouple over a year ago

Cramlington

"Well yes. (And would probably open up legal problems if not.)

Its entirely possible that this would be the case with someone you've already had sex with

I've had sex with a transsexual, she fucked me in the ass with her cock. As she was legally a woman it was a straight sexual act. I knew what i was getting. However when looking for a woman i want to meet someone who has always been physically female. I don't want any surprises...."
yes yes and now you've told us who you are and what you are and precisely how narrow your mind is, what, exactly, do you want us to do with that information?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Does that mean that once the lady has undergone her process, it is fine and above board to have a female profile and continue as thus?"

Yes,it does.

BTW, the category chosen on a FAB profile is a reflection of real life,not the other way around.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I disagree. I believe if you're legally a woman you're a woman.

If you want to buy a car,it's your responsibility to check it over to make sure it's the right kind of car for you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Supposing a woman had undergone all that reconstructive surgery and a guy really fancied her.

And then suppose that,despite all her surgery,being stunningly beautiful and this guy fancying the knickers off her,she hadn't bothered to fill in a load of forms (and pay a lot of money) to get the paperwork in order.

Would that make any guy change his mind?

Who checks birth certificates anyway?

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man over a year ago

salisbury

"According to what I have found it says if TG are transitioning they can be classed as a woman, so it could be why you have seen profiles like this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_the_United_Kingdom

So maybe fab doesn't need the TS category at all? Just cd/tv men and women?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"According to what I have found it says if TG are transitioning they can be classed as a woman, so it could be why you have seen profiles like this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_the_United_Kingdom

So maybe fab doesn't need the TS category at all? Just cd/tv men and women?

They could just have the categories 'V','P' or 'None of the above'. It's then up to the individual to ask about the origins of the genitalia.

Next time you are with a woman,i would love you to point at her pussy and ask 'have you always had that?' Go on,I double dare you. (please tell us what her answer was,,,please

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Here's an interesting scenario (interesting to me at least).

A guy meets a woman in a bar,they get chatting,they really hit it off,they really like each other,one thing leads to another and they get a hotel room.

The sex is amazing.He goes down on her and works wonders with his tongue,she is in ecstasy. She returns tha favour,,,,then they fuck like it was going out of fashion.

In the morning,they part and never see each other again.

The woman at no point mentioned that she transitioned,several years ago. The subject just never came up and it never crossed the guys mind to ask.

Has he been deceived in any way at all?

Asking for a friend,obviously.

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By *heIcebreakersCouple over a year ago

Cramlington

"According to what I have found it says if TG are transitioning they can be classed as a woman, so it could be why you have seen profiles like this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_the_United_Kingdom

So maybe fab doesn't need the TS category at all? Just cd/tv men and women?

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why are you obsessed with categories? Let people tell their own stories, using their language. Is that really so complicated?

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man over a year ago

salisbury

"According to what I have found it says if TG are transitioning they can be classed as a woman, so it could be why you have seen profiles like this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_the_United_Kingdom

So maybe fab doesn't need the TS category at all? Just cd/tv men and women?

why are you obsessed with categories? Let people tell their own stories, using their language. Is that really so complicated?"

This is the fabswingers feedback forum. I think if you want a deep and meaningful conversation you should start your own thread in a more relevant section.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"So maybe fab doesn't need the TS category at all? Just cd/tv men and women?

This was a quote about how the law stands, not Fab. I am guessing there are people who like to use the options set, some may not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Tbh my beard is a dead fecking giveaway

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By *ngel clawsWoman over a year ago

Hull

Tv/Ts, is too wide a category, why should someone who is transitioning, be lumped together with someone who dresses as the other gender for fun and excitement, some of these Ts girls have literally put their lives on the line to have this birth defect rectified. And once they have gone through the years of heartache and struggle, why shouldn't they be allowed to be categorised as their innate gender.

There are many stunning Trans women, you would never tell the difference unless you are a gynacologist. This is an irrational fear, often brought about by the male ego and peer pressure, ie what will my mates think.

Yes, I am a trans woman, I am a person first, a woman second and the fact that I was born male is way down the list, nobody realises without me telling them, even play partners. I chose not to divulge this information, because it's caused me a lot of heartache by doing so, ranging from ignorant idiots to vile abuse, and if I put myself in with the tv category, I attract the totally wrong people for me

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man over a year ago

salisbury

"Tv/Ts, is too wide a category, why should someone who is transitioning, be lumped together with someone who dresses as the other gender for fun and excitement, some of these Ts girls have literally put their lives on the line to have this birth defect rectified. And once they have gone through the years of heartache and struggle, why shouldn't they be allowed to be categorised as their innate gender.

agreed, something needs to change. But you're not the kind of woman I'm talking about.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man over a year ago

salisbury

"Here's an interesting scenario (interesting to me at least).

A guy meets a woman in a bar,they get chatting,they really hit it off,they really like each other,one thing leads to another and they get a hotel room.

The sex is amazing.He goes down on her and works wonders with his tongue,she is in ecstasy. She returns tha favour,,,,then they fuck like it was going out of fashion.

In the morning,they part and never see each other again.

The woman at no point mentioned that she transitioned,several years ago. The subject just never came up and it never crossed the guys mind to ask.

Has he been deceived in any way at all?

Asking for a friend,obviously."

Maybe start a thread and ask people?

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