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"Biggest issue would be abuse of the system. Wouldn't take much to get a couple of friends to report somebody 3 times and there chances go to 0 (or single male status ). Even for something minor or petty some people are like that unfortunately."I was at a meet recently where there were meant to be 6 people. We all lost out because one guy said he was coming and did not. No call, text or message. No excuse or apology. He blocked me to avoid any contact. So, what is so wrong with those 5 reporting him to Admin? Admin would need a report before THEY decided to put up a mark. Unlike naming and shaming it is Admin who makes the decision. They could even contact the "offender" to get his (her) side. Surely it is in the interests of the site to clean up its act?? | |||
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"Biggest issue would be abuse of the system. Wouldn't take much to get a couple of friends to report somebody 3 times and there chances go to 0 (or single male status ). Even for something minor or petty some people are like that unfortunately."But then you would hope they may also have great veris so people choosing to meet do so at their own risk. Its a good idea if only to out the timewasters who constantly let others down. I would meet someone who had great veris from clubs and other meets but had one marker on their profile. It just gives us the option. | |||
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"Biggest issue would be abuse of the system. Wouldn't take much to get a couple of friends to report somebody 3 times and there chances go to 0 (or single male status ). Even for something minor or petty some people are like that unfortunately.
But then you would hope they may also have great veris so people choosing to meet do so at their own risk. Its a good idea if only to out the timewasters who constantly let others down.
I would meet someone who had great veris from clubs and other meets but had one marker on their profile. It just gives us the option. "I give no veri and limited veri people a chance. If however someone had "R14" I could be quite sure they don't turn up. It is the constant timewasters I want to see gone. | |||
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"Not saying it's not shit thing to do, just it's not easy to police especially when it will come down to one person's word against another etc. Also if they didn't turn up would they have to provide proof of genuine reason IE doctors notes etc. " Why default to the person who did turn up being in the wrong and not getting believed? The process I propose let's them respond confidentially to Admin. If they have a legitimate excuse then OK, Admin will not put up an R icon. But more than anything else, IF they have an excuse what reason have they for not telling the host, before or after the meet, or not apologising after?? I do not report guys who say sorry and I give them the benefit of the doubt. Even if it is the second time that year their Dad has died.  | |||
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"Over the years we've been on a number of sites / contact mags (age thing lol): paid, free, with rating systems etc and the same problems occur when meeting folks 1:1. Sadly the odd no show is part of the scene and always has been for many reasons. Don't see there is anything Fab can do to solve this problem for us beyond verifications that show you actually do meet via the site. " I do understand 121 meets are a problem. I also know no process is fool proof but at this time it is the wild west, there is no law so the cockroaches carry on thriving. At least the persistent offenders could be identified. For myself I don't do 121 meets so I will usually have 3 to 6 witnesses. | |||
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"anyone can delete their account and make a new one. time wasters probably do this a lot already." True but then they are a new by again and its back to square 1. | |||
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"anyone can delete their account and make a new one. time wasters probably do this a lot already. True but then they are a new by again and its back to square 1. " if they're time wasting everyone then it must've been easy enough to get back to whatever is after square one? i did do a topic on how not to be time wasted ages ago, can't remember what it's called now else i'd post a link. i can't find it in search but know it exists. | |||
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"Does anyone have any suggestions as to how we can identify and get rid of these cockroach timewasters? "Make it compulsory for everyone that signs up ..... to sleep with a black guy within a week... If this isn't accomplished.... kick them off the site | |||
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"Not saying it's not shit thing to do, just it's not easy to police especially when it will come down to one person's word against another etc. Also if they didn't turn up would they have to provide proof of genuine reason IE doctors notes etc. Why default to the person who did turn up being in the wrong and not getting believed? The process I propose let's them respond confidentially to Admin. If they have a legitimate excuse then OK, Admin will not put up an R icon. But more than anything else, IF they have an excuse what reason have they for not telling the host, before or after the meet, or not apologising after?? I do not report guys who say sorry and I give them the benefit of the doubt. Even if it is the second time that year their Dad has died. "Just as it is possible for people to maliciously report people it would be open for "offenders" to give spurious excuses to admin. The obvious openness to abuse makes what seems, on the surface, to be a good idea....totally unworkable. | |||
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"Does anyone have any suggestions as to how we can identify and get rid of these cockroach timewasters?
Make it compulsory for everyone that signs up ..... to sleep with a black guy within a week...
If this isn't accomplished.... kick them off the site"Am I right that there could be a bit of self interest here? .  | |||
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"Not saying it's not shit thing to do, just it's not easy to police especially when it will come down to one person's word against another etc. Also if they didn't turn up would they have to provide proof of genuine reason IE doctors notes etc. Why default to the person who did turn up being in the wrong and not getting believed? The process I propose let's them respond confidentially to Admin. If they have a legitimate excuse then OK, Admin will not put up an R icon. But more than anything else, IF they have an excuse what reason have they for not telling the host, before or after the meet, or not apologising after?? I do not report guys who say sorry and I give them the benefit of the doubt. Even if it is the second time that year their Dad has died.
Just as it is possible for people to maliciously report people it would be open for "offenders" to give spurious excuses to admin.
The obvious openness to abuse makes what seems, on the surface, to be a good idea....totally unworkable."I accept that but if say (made up name) "funcockguy678" was reported 10 times, Admin would be wise to his tales wouldn't they??. Least ways I hope so. It is only the persistent offender we need to find. But we must try something! Timewasters make up at least 40% of those on the site. They are ruining our Fabswingers. | |||
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"I wonder if the servers could handle hosting all those icons.. There'd be so many!" Yes 40% I estimate.  | |||
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"As above has said there is no way it would work without being abused. There are filters and loads of threads helping you to identify and block potential time wasters. "Why would anyone abuse someone for no reason? Hang on? Of course they would!!! Timewasters do it all the time!!! | |||
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"As above has said there is no way it would work without being abused. There are filters and loads of threads helping you to identify and block potential time wasters.
Why would anyone abuse someone for no reason? Hang on? Of course they would!!! Timewasters do it all the time!!!
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"Not saying it's not shit thing to do, just it's not easy to police especially when it will come down to one person's word against another etc. Also if they didn't turn up would they have to provide proof of genuine reason IE doctors notes etc. Why default to the person who did turn up being in the wrong and not getting believed? The process I propose let's them respond confidentially to Admin. If they have a legitimate excuse then OK, Admin will not put up an R icon. But more than anything else, IF they have an excuse what reason have they for not telling the host, before or after the meet, or not apologising after?? I do not report guys who say sorry and I give them the benefit of the doubt. Even if it is the second time that year their Dad has died.
Just as it is possible for people to maliciously report people it would be open for "offenders" to give spurious excuses to admin.
The obvious openness to abuse makes what seems, on the surface, to be a good idea....totally unworkable.
I accept that but if say (made up name) "funcockguy678" was reported 10 times, Admin would be wise to his tales wouldn't they??. Least ways I hope so. It is only the persistent offender we need to find.
But we must try something! Timewasters make up at least 40% of those on the site. They are ruining our Fabswingers. "Say a system was put in place just as you suggest, and a persistent "offender" was kicked out? He's only likely to create a new account, a new username and start all over again! So, how do you win! Timewasters exist amongst single guys, single females and Couples. Yes, they infest the site, but unfortunately, there is very little that can be done to get rid of them. It comes down to using ones own judgement, gut feeling and experience in ruling them out. | |||
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"Not saying it's not shit thing to do, just it's not easy to police especially when it will come down to one person's word against another etc. Also if they didn't turn up would they have to provide proof of genuine reason IE doctors notes etc. Why default to the person who did turn up being in the wrong and not getting believed? The process I propose let's them respond confidentially to Admin. If they have a legitimate excuse then OK, Admin will not put up an R icon. But more than anything else, IF they have an excuse what reason have they for not telling the host, before or after the meet, or not apologising after?? I do not report guys who say sorry and I give them the benefit of the doubt. Even if it is the second time that year their Dad has died.
Just as it is possible for people to maliciously report people it would be open for "offenders" to give spurious excuses to admin.
The obvious openness to abuse makes what seems, on the surface, to be a good idea....totally unworkable.
I accept that but if say (made up name) "funcockguy678" was reported 10 times, Admin would be wise to his tales wouldn't they??. Least ways I hope so. It is only the persistent offender we need to find.
But we must try something! Timewasters make up at least 40% of those on the site. They are ruining our Fabswingers.
Say a system was put in place just as you suggest, and a persistent "offender" was kicked out?
He's only likely to create a new account, a new username and start all over again!
So, how do you win!
Timewasters exist amongst single guys, single females and Couples. Yes, they infest the site, but unfortunately, there is very little that can be done to get rid of them.
It comes down to using ones own judgement, gut feeling and experience in ruling them out."I do all the time and try rule them out. They still get through and they are getting better. I think timewasters are the biggest single complaint about how the site functions. How about trying... 1. Admin can block IP addresses of offenders. 2. Newby members are far less trusted than those with veris so someone actually getting their time wasted will be less likely. 3. People can stop saying "I knew this guy a few years ago and he is great" when they did not know him or don't know him now. 4. Admin can use face recognition software to check veri photos and cut out known offenders. We must try something!! At present the scales are so weighted in favour if the rude, inconsiderate, antisocial, spineless, timewasters. | |||
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"Biggest issue would be abuse of the system. Wouldn't take much to get a couple of friends to report somebody 3 times and there chances go to 0 (or single male status ). Even for something minor or petty some people are like that unfortunately.
But then you would hope they may also have great veris so people choosing to meet do so at their own risk. Its a good idea if only to out the timewasters who constantly let others down.
I would meet someone who had great veris from clubs and other meets but had one marker on their profile. It just gives us the option.
I give no veri and limited veri people a chance. If however someone had "R14" I could be quite sure they don't turn up. It is the constant timewasters I want to see gone. "What you have to consider though is those that would abuse the system from either side or point of view. You could just as easily have someone reporting another user for not turning up etc as that user could claim they did but didn't. Who's side do the admin take?! What about those that have a stigma against single guys and seem to despise us because judging by profiles there are more than a few with a bit of hatred towards us. I could imagine these would be the first to report single guys for no good reason. And the same goes for those that are here just to take to P of which there are also many. What's stopping them reporting genuine members?! There's a whole bucket of ifs and buts so realistically where do you draw the line? After all this site and the scene is about choice and variety. Not saying timewasters are acceptable, I've had my fair share just like everyone else but who's who to judge and determine what should be acceptable aside from the basic rules of the site. Everyone has the freedom to live the lifestyle the way they choose and that includes meeting who they want to and when. It will open a whole can of worms and could ruin the site. | |||
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"Biggest issue would be abuse of the system. There's a whole bucket of ifs and buts so realistically where do you draw the line? After all this site and the scene is about choice and variety. Not saying timewasters are acceptable, I've had my fair share just like everyone else but who's who to judge and determine what should be acceptable aside from the basic rules of the site. Everyone has the freedom to live the lifestyle the way they choose and that includes meeting who they want to and when. It will open a whole can of worms and could ruin the site." I think the genuine ones on here will not just report anyone just for being rude. I think the real swingers and those who want to meet will be selective in who they report therefore those who are regular timewasters would be reported. Why dont admin have a trial for a month and see how it goes. Like i said before, I think paying for a great site like this should be compulsory and that in itself would out a huge amount of timewasters, not all but most in my opinion. | |||
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"anyone can delete their account and make a new one. time wasters probably do this a lot already. True but then they are a new by again and its back to square 1. " I understand the problem s I've had a few who have not turned up. However I don't see this actually working though I feel the need for something to be done. As said they can delete and rejoin. If they have had a few veris from previous they can easily get reveried again thus lose the black mark. Another thing I think would happen especially in the scenario you described is that lot less genuine singles would want to meet with a group especially if you could then end up with all of them black marking you. I for one would not and I'm sure may others would think twice in case I couldn't go for a genuine reason. I also think it would be used by some who have kik groups (I know of some single ladies groups) who already discuss and talk about men couples they have or dare I say not even met, and black list amongst themselves. There are a lot of vindictive people on here and quite a few who can't cope with being rejected too.... Can you imagine how quickly someone can go from having a good time on here and then get blacklisted thy a few who just didn't like their response even on a forum or a message. It's open too far too much abuse. Administration is overloaded already and to point out admin doesn't get into discussion....They tend to give a ban or don't give a ban. I've yet to hear Admin ask the recipient's side of the story on any issue...They just listen to the one reporting. The only answer atm is simply block that person, make notes on them if you're a subscriber and move on. | |||
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"Biggest issue would be abuse of the system. There's a whole bucket of ifs and buts so realistically where do you draw the line? After all this site and the scene is about choice and variety. Not saying timewasters are acceptable, I've had my fair share just like everyone else but who's who to judge and determine what should be acceptable aside from the basic rules of the site. Everyone has the freedom to live the lifestyle the way they choose and that includes meeting who they want to and when. It will open a whole can of worms and could ruin the site. I think the genuine ones on here will not just report anyone just for being rude. I think the real swingers and those who want to meet will be selective in who they report therefore those who are regular timewasters would be reported. Why dont admin have a trial for a month and see how it goes. Like i said before, I think paying for a great site like this should be compulsory and that in itself would out a huge amount of timewasters, not all but most in my opinion." I think paying would lose far more genuine fabbers than you'd realise some long term ones too. I for one would leave and only use pof or okc or a few other free sites. I've made quite a few friends on here and I'd just continue to meet them through kik or WhatsApp. | |||
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"Biggest issue would be abuse of the system. Wouldn't take much to get a couple of friends to report somebody 3 times and there chances go to 0 (or single male status ). Even for something minor or petty some people are like that unfortunately.
But then you would hope they may also have great veris so people choosing to meet do so at their own risk. Its a good idea if only to out the timewasters who constantly let others down.
I would meet someone who had great veris from clubs and other meets but had one marker on their profile. It just gives us the option.
I give no veri and limited veri people a chance. If however someone had "R14" I could be quite sure they don't turn up. It is the constant timewasters I want to see gone.
What you have to consider though is those that would abuse the system from either side or point of view. You could just as easily have someone reporting another user for not turning up etc as that user could claim they did but didn't. Who's side do the admin take?!
What about those that have a stigma against single guys and seem to despise us because judging by profiles there are more than a few with a bit of hatred towards us. I could imagine these would be the first to report single guys for no good reason. And the same goes for those that are here just to take to P of which there are also many. What's stopping them reporting genuine members?!
There's a whole bucket of ifs and buts so realistically where do you draw the line? After all this site and the scene is about choice and variety. Not saying timewasters are acceptable, I've had my fair share just like everyone else but who's who to judge and determine what should be acceptable aside from the basic rules of the site. Everyone has the freedom to live the lifestyle the way they choose and that includes meeting who they want to and when. It will open a whole can of worms and could ruin the site."This. | |||
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ps one way to help fab get rid of wasters would be to shut down half the crappy forum post that ..well are just crap or wank fodder along with the dreamers | |||
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"What gives you the rite to call time wasters cock roaches " Entitlement. This is another "Fab must be run MY way" thread. When I see these threads I always ask the same question; "what's your definition of a timewaster?" It's usually unanswered but occasionally I get a gem of a reply, usually it's not a real definition of a timewaster. | |||
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"Like i said before, I think paying for a great site like this should be compulsory and that in itself would out a huge amount of timewasters, not all but most in my opinion." I invite you to join a site that charges a membership fee then pop back after a couple of months when you've realised it makes absolutely no difference to the number of timewasters on there. | |||
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"Like i said before, I think paying for a great site like this should be compulsory and that in itself would out a huge amount of timewasters, not all but most in my opinion. I invite you to join a site that charges a membership fee then pop back after a couple of months when you've realised it makes absolutely no difference to the number of timewasters on there." Wait, hold on...... Are you saying timewasters have money too? Who'd a thunk it... | |||
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"Biggest issue would be abuse of the system. Wouldn't take much to get a couple of friends to report somebody 3 times and there chances go to 0 (or single male status ). Even for something minor or petty some people are like that unfortunately.
But then you would hope they may also have great veris so people choosing to meet do so at their own risk. Its a good idea if only to out the timewasters who constantly let others down.
I would meet someone who had great veris from clubs and other meets but had one marker on their profile. It just gives us the option.
I give no veri and limited veri people a chance. If however someone had "R14" I could be quite sure they don't turn up. It is the constant timewasters I want to see gone.
What you have to consider though is those that would abuse the system from either side or point of view. You could just as easily have someone reporting another user for not turning up etc as that user could claim they did but didn't. Who's side do the admin take?!
What about those that have a stigma against single guys and seem to despise us because judging by profiles there are more than a few with a bit of hatred towards us. I could imagine these would be the first to report single guys for no good reason. And the same goes for those that are here just to take to P of which there are also many. What's stopping them reporting genuine members?!
There's a whole bucket of ifs and buts so realistically where do you draw the line? After all this site and the scene is about choice and variety. Not saying timewasters are acceptable, I've had my fair share just like everyone else but who's who to judge and determine what should be acceptable aside from the basic rules of the site. Everyone has the freedom to live the lifestyle the way they choose and that includes meeting who they want to and when. It will open a whole can of worms and could ruin the site."People who report without reason should also be banned. However I think they are rare. Why do couples and single women get fed up with single men and sometimes cother couples? Because they have been stood up. You say there is nothing that can be done. Fab should be a timewasters Paradise. That in the end will kill it. It is currently very hard to find a guy who will actually turn up. | |||
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"anyone can delete their account and make a new one. time wasters probably do this a lot already. True but then they are a new by again and its back to square 1. I understand the problem s I've had a few who have not turned up. However I don't see this actually working though I feel the need for something to be done. As said they can delete and rejoin. If they have had a few veris from previous they can easily get reveried again thus lose the black mark. Another thing I think would happen especially in the scenario you described is that lot less genuine singles would want to meet with a group especially if you could then end up with all of them black marking you. I for one would not and I'm sure may others would think twice in case I couldn't go for a genuine reason. I also think it would be used by some who have kik groups (I know of some single ladies groups) who already discuss and talk about men couples they have or dare I say not even met, and black list amongst themselves. There are a lot of vindictive people on here and quite a few who can't cope with being rejected too.... Can you imagine how quickly someone can go from having a good time on here and then get blacklisted thy a few who just didn't like their response even on a forum or a message. It's open too far too much abuse. Administration is overloaded already and to point out admin doesn't get into discussion....They tend to give a ban or don't give a ban. I've yet to hear Admin ask the recipient's side of the story on any issue...They just listen to the one reporting. The only answer atm is simply block that person, make notes on them if you're a subscriber and move on. " Timewasters Paradise!! Victims Suffer alone in silence. How sad..... I meet in groups. If me and 6 others witnessed a true timewaster what is wrong with all of us reporting him/her/them? How could i get them to kie about the timewaster if they really did turn up? I only report those that do not say they are not coming or don't apologise after. Has anyone a suggestion? The pay for the site is worthy but will not guarantee eradication of the cockroaches. | |||
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"Surely we are all timewaster? wasting our time reading and replying to a thread which the initial concept is never going to happen. " I was seeking ideas and useful comments. If you have nothing to say then say nothing!! | |||
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"... You say there is nothing that can be done. Fab should be a timewasters Paradise. That in the end will kill it. It is currently very hard to find a guy who will actually turn up. " This has been talked about ever since I've been on here (many years...) and "timewasters" haven't killed the site so doubt "they" will kill it now just because you believe it will... | |||
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"I am aware that there are good reasons not to allow naming and shaming of members. There is however a need to root out those cockroaches who join the site and have no intension of meeting. Whoes sole purpose in membership is to wind people up and spoil Fabswingers for others. When I have someone who agreed up to the very last minute they were coming and then no showed, blocked me and offer no reason I report them to Admin. If they have a legitimate excuse then they can at least message the person they stood up and why block the "innocent party" anyway? Would it be possible for Admin to add an icon on their profile like for example "R3" meaning 3 people had reported them for not turning up? Admin would only allow 1 report mark per member to stop abuse. Any takers? Comments? "there is another swinging site that you can leve feed back on, so the people know for sure if there time wasters or not, the feed back system runs very well on there | |||
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"fab is free for a reason = no fancy expensive software /bandwidth ect ect if everyone was to use it as its intended ie as a platform to meet swingers there nothing in writing on here saying that the owners/mods will guild you /help you or even say you will get a meet ? yes there are loads of time wasters on here as there are on any internet site but as time gos on you get to know who is real and who is not (most of the time) fabswingers works very well for us and been on and off for years now.....maybe if you attract loads of time wasters then its time to look at yourself and how you go about things on here as most can spot a fake a mile away ...happy fabbing
ps one way to help fab get rid of wasters would be to shut down half the crappy forum post that ..well are just crap or wank fodder along with the dreamers "I don't attract loads of timewasters. There are loads of timewasters and it affects everyone. Mods and Admin police the site. They ban abusers, close threads, enforce rules about naming and shaming and generally try to keep order. Good on them!! How come you had not noticed? I see no link between the forum and timewasters? How do you see that? | |||
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"Does anyone have any suggestions as to how we can identify and get rid of these cockroach timewasters? "You use the word cockroach over and over again. All this thread shows is that you are not aware of the reasons these people acted how they did. Not that they are lesser people or deserve sanction. Simply that you cannot empathise with their situation. Things happen to all of us which we don't like, but it is usually the best way to just move on instead of trying to get revenge. | |||
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"Like i said before, I think paying for a great site like this should be compulsory and that in itself would out a huge amount of timewasters, not all but most in my opinion. I invite you to join a site that charges a membership fee then pop back after a couple of months when you've realised it makes absolutely no difference to the number of timewasters on there." | |||
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"Surely we are all timewaster? wasting our time reading and replying to a thread which the initial concept is never going to happen. My point is as many others have said is: These types of threads regularly appear and administration are unable/unwilling to do anything regarding the outing of time wasters (cockroaches) I was seeking ideas and useful comments. If you have nothing to say then say nothing!!" | |||
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"What gives you the rite to call time wasters cock roaches Entitlement. This is another "Fab must be run MY way" thread. When I see these threads I always ask the same question; "what's your definition of a timewaster?" It's usually unanswered but occasionally I get a gem of a reply, usually it's not a real definition of a timewaster. " Ahhhh thanks for clearing that up. xxx | |||
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