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I'm sorry but these are 2 completely different types of person.
TV and CD are people who are not intending to transition and change gender.
TS are people who are or have already changed their gender, some legally, and most will go on to full surgery.
TV/CD should be separate category to TS, and once a TS has had their full surgery, they should be able to change their gender on here to the gender to which they live their entire lives as.
Yes i know some may be sneaky and try to change to female by saying they've had the 'chop' but that's simple to verify and doesn't need to be done publicly.
by the way, all my legal documentation says female, birth cert, passport, driving license, so those don't count as proof as i am currently waiting for my final operation, but this site is the only site i am on that lumps me back in the group assigned primarily to males  |
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Lisa take it from me, and I'm in the same boat as you, what people are interested in here is what bits you have and how functional they are. In here, you're a sex object. You aren't goung to change things, and no-one will thank you for trying.
You might want to think about why this is so important to you. Because I've seen this argument rehearsed on many different websites over the years and it usually comes across as an argument which is about elites and hierarchies. I'd like to think there's a better reason for fighting this battle. |
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"Lisa take it from me, and I'm in the same boat as you, what people are interested in here is what bits you have and how functional they are. In here, you're a sex object. You aren't goung to change things, and no-one will thank you for trying.
You might want to think about why this is so important to you. Because I've seen this argument rehearsed on many different websites over the years and it usually comes across as an argument which is about elites and hierarchies. I'd like to think there's a better reason for fighting this battle. "
This 
Because everyone wants what they want on this site, if you're post op and legally female but meet a guy and havent disclosed it up front, then when you get down to the dirty ,chances are his own prejudices would come to the fore and he'll report you as still being a dude. So I imagine the best split you could hope for is CD, TV, TS pre, TS post. |
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By *arteeneWoman
over a year ago
aylesbury |
"Lisa take it from me, and I'm in the same boat as you, what people are interested in here is what bits you have and how functional they are. In here, you're a sex object. You aren't goung to change things, and no-one will thank you for trying.
You might want to think about why this is so important to you. Because I've seen this argument rehearsed on many different websites over the years and it usually comes across as an argument which is about elites and hierarchies. I'd like to think there's a better reason for fighting this battle.
This
Because everyone wants what they want on this site, if you're post op and legally female but meet a guy and havent disclosed it up front, then when you get down to the dirty ,chances are his own prejudices would come to the fore and he'll report you as still being a dude. So I imagine the best split you could hope for is CD, TV, TS pre, TS post. "
So where does this leave me I am
On hormones but not sure yet if I will go full way xx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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im the same ive been dressing since I was 10 years old and now dress almost every day ive been on hormones for over 4 years now and im under my doctor and charring cross hospital in London ive got 36c Brest I class my self has a t,girl or a she male I don't intend to have the full hop tho im to old now my best years of looking sexy have all but gone lol  |
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All i would like to see is one category for CD/TV and another for TS, or even in the one category we have now a simple 'drop down' box that lets you select your correct gender.
what i am trying to get across here, is that most TS see themselves as female, and indeed are classified as female in most if not all other walks of life.
how do you think female would react if they found themselves placed in a category that implies they are or could be male, or vice versa.
I myself intend to delete this profile once i've had my SRS and have a new profile in my chosen gender, until then i will put up with what i've got. |
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By *ransGuyTV/TS
over a year ago
Cardiff |
I personally would like to see a split because (surprise surprise!) not all transsexuals are male to female and it gets boring having to explain to people that I don't crossdress! But then that's just idiots who can't be bothered to read. 
I do think that transsexuals should have a separate category because we have nothing to do with dressing up and playing the role of the opposite sex, we are the opposite sex to what our bodies are.
BUT could that possibly backfire? At least while all being in one group we have less chance of being singled out by weirdos? I do get a few strange guys who contact me just because of what I am not who I am, I don't want more of them! |
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By *hortieWoman
over a year ago
Northampton |
"All i would like to see is one category for CD/TV and another for TS, or even in the one category we have now a simple 'drop down' box that lets you select your correct gender.
what i am trying to get across here, is that most TS see themselves as female, and indeed are classified as female in most if not all other walks of life.
how do you think female would react if they found themselves placed in a category that implies they are or could be male, or vice versa.
I myself intend to delete this profile once i've had my SRS and have a new profile in my chosen gender, until then i will put up with what i've got."
I certainly fully agree with making TV and TS seperate.
To me, on the whole (pardon the pun), a TV is a male who enjoys dressing as a female - no matter how regularly, and when most do, they wish to fulfil the whole experience of being a female.. but are still happy with their male roots.
TS is deeper.. a knowledge that they are truly in the wrong body, and wish to have that corrected.. Most TS Females would be horrified to be referred to as male..
Personally, I would even like to see CD and TV as different categories, because mostly, a CD will like the thrill or feeling of wearing lingerie, but lets face it.. Hairy Biker Bob in a pair of stockings and silk knickers is very unlikely to want to be seen as a woman in that situation 
I feel tho, that this will be a never ending debate on here, and a change in the categories will never be implemented |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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But do you not see how that would go down on here? For example: You with your female profile post op, start chatting to a guy on Fab. You meet and it comes to pass that he figures you're trans or you tell him outright. Some guys might be OK with that, others, the vehemently straight guys, will just have a fit and you'll end up reported and back on the TS list. Its part of the reason that trans persons have such problems finding partners when living post op. For the hetero people, suddenly finding the person you liked was born a different gender is a game changer.
And what sort of proof would be required to put yourself on the TS list rather than CD/TV? Would you have to fax your correspondence from the hospital through to Fab towers to prove you're undergoing transition?
The problem is not the site, it's attitudes and expectations. As was said above to a certain degree we are objects. If you're a pre op TS, they expect you to be a big cocked/titted porn star who's willing to fuck them up the arse. If you're post op they'll expect the big tits and fully functioning foof to pound. Whereas the reality is starkly different as you well know.
But if you don't conform to their warped ideal then back on the crossdresser list you'll be. |
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As an addition, I just think that yes attitudes need to be challenged on the issue of transgender people. But as far as battlegrounds go, a site for finding casual sexual encounters should be way down on the list of arenas. |
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By *hortieWoman
over a year ago
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"But do you not see how that would go down on here? For example: You with your female profile post op, start chatting to a guy on Fab. You meet and it comes to pass that he figures you're trans or you tell him outright. Some guys might be OK with that, others, the vehemently straight guys, will just have a fit and you'll end up reported and back on the TS list. Its part of the reason that trans persons have such problems finding partners when living post op. For the hetero people, suddenly finding the person you liked was born a different gender is a game changer.
And what sort of proof would be required to put yourself on the TS list rather than CD/TV? Would you have to fax your correspondence from the hospital through to Fab towers to prove you're undergoing transition?
The problem is not the site, it's attitudes and expectations. As was said above to a certain degree we are objects. If you're a pre op TS, they expect you to be a big cocked/titted porn star who's willing to fuck them up the arse. If you're post op they'll expect the big tits and fully functioning foof to pound. Whereas the reality is starkly different as you well know.
But if you don't conform to their warped ideal then back on the crossdresser list you'll be. "
the drop down system could work (as mentioned above). when selecting your sex, F could have a drop down list of female, or female (TS post op)
there was a thread recently of a post-op F, who started her profile as a F, but was reported, and had her profile changed to TS. Which I thought was highly unfair.. as legally (I assume), she would have all documents proving she was legally a F.
legally, i have no clue where Fab would stand on this..
but clarification in the basic profile description would surely help everyone out. and alleviate a lot of stress for the individuals concerned.
if i were to become a TS-M, i know for sure i would be gutted to see at the top of my profile that i were a TS, rather than a M (TS - post op).
everyone knows what they're getting then. seems simple, really.
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"But do you not see how that would go down on here? For example: You with your female profile post op, start chatting to a guy on Fab. You meet and it comes to pass that he figures you're trans or you tell him outright. Some guys might be OK with that, others, the vehemently straight guys, will just have a fit and you'll end up reported and back on the TS list. Its part of the reason that trans persons have such problems finding partners when living post op. For the hetero people, suddenly finding the person you liked was born a different gender is a game changer.
And what sort of proof would be required to put yourself on the TS list rather than CD/TV? Would you have to fax your correspondence from the hospital through to Fab towers to prove you're undergoing transition?
The problem is not the site, it's attitudes and expectations. As was said above to a certain degree we are objects. If you're a pre op TS, they expect you to be a big cocked/titted porn star who's willing to fuck them up the arse. If you're post op they'll expect the big tits and fully functioning foof to pound. Whereas the reality is starkly different as you well know.
But if you don't conform to their warped ideal then back on the crossdresser list you'll be.
the drop down system could work (as mentioned above). when selecting your sex, F could have a drop down list of female, or female (TS post op)
there was a thread recently of a post-op F, who started her profile as a F, but was reported, and had her profile changed to TS. Which I thought was highly unfair.. as legally (I assume), she would have all documents proving she was legally a F.
legally, i have no clue where Fab would stand on this..
but clarification in the basic profile description would surely help everyone out. and alleviate a lot of stress for the individuals concerned.
if i were to become a TS-M, i know for sure i would be gutted to see at the top of my profile that i were a TS, rather than a M (TS - post op).
everyone knows what they're getting then. seems simple, really.
*climbs down off my soap-box*. "
spot on, it would leave everyone in no doubt as to whet they were getting, whereas currently that is not the case.
as for legallity, legally the site would be on dodgy ground though it could prove tough to solve as they would no doubt claim that CD/TV/TS is gender neutral.
as for proving anything regarding pre or post op, it's easy enough to get a letter from the surgeon that can be mailed, emailed faxed or whatever, nobody needs to photo their la la with face in shot holding a piece of paper with your name on it or anything like that. |
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"So just having a profile under a TS banner where you can state in the text Post Op is unacceptable.
But a profile F(TS Post Op) is fine?"
at present there is no banner at all, the only option at the moment is TV/TS which means you have to put it in your profile (that most guys don't even read anyway) that you are TS pre or post op.
there is a simpler option and an option that takes away any confusion so that even those who can't read a profile know exactly what side the bread is buttered on |
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over a year ago
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That they'll then have to code the extra 4 options for. Won't happen. They haven't made options to search by ethnicity for all the BBC fans, which is arguably a bigger group.
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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Deciding who is Ts or Tv would be a swine to determine. It's not easy to do on looks, as not all great looking girlys are transitioning and not all rough lookers (like me) are Tv. I was on a popular site for tv/ts the other day and came across a local Ts profile, stating that they are Tv, but feel more like a Ts when they are dressed. I think we'd have something similar on here. |
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By *hortieWoman
over a year ago
Northampton |
"Deciding who is Ts or Tv would be a swine to determine. It's not easy to do on looks, as not all great looking girlys are transitioning and not all rough lookers (like me) are Tv. I was on a popular site for tv/ts the other day and came across a local Ts profile, stating that they are Tv, but feel more like a Ts when they are dressed. I think we'd have something similar on here. "
Surely, its about how one wishes to describe themselves as accurately as possible..
As for the nitty gritty, the report function should work well for the cheeky fibbers.....
But I feel a lot of TV's get away most lightly, as (maybe) guys and girls see TV and know what to expect..
TS on the other hand, seem to get a rough deal... stuck between a rock and a hard place, mentally. Yes, many may well be happy with meeting whoever as a TV, but want to be appreciated as the sex that they are mentally. Which, lets face it, how many guys (on here) would be sensitive to that.
(sorry, I am rambling now. *goes and sits in the corner*)
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"Deciding who is Ts or Tv would be a swine to determine. It's not easy to do on looks, as not all great looking girlys are transitioning and not all rough lookers (like me) are Tv. I was on a popular site for tv/ts the other day and came across a local Ts profile, stating that they are Tv, but feel more like a Ts when they are dressed. I think we'd have something similar on here.
Surely, its about how one wishes to describe themselves as accurately as possible..
As for the nitty gritty, the report function should work well for the cheeky fibbers.....
But I feel a lot of TV's get away most lightly, as (maybe) guys and girls see TV and know what to expect..
TS on the other hand, seem to get a rough deal... stuck between a rock and a hard place, mentally. Yes, many may well be happy with meeting whoever as a TV, but want to be appreciated as the sex that they are mentally. Which, lets face it, how many guys (on here) would be sensitive to that.
(sorry, I am rambling now. *goes and sits in the corner*)
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OP, arn't you just as guilty as fab for this inappropriate compartmentalisation? After all you organise socials for " Trans/TV/CD/LGB & Admirers", who according to you sit in distinctly different groups... |
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"OP, arn't you just as guilty as fab for this inappropriate compartmentalisation? After all you organise socials for " Trans/TV/CD/LGB & Admirers", who according to you sit in distinctly different groups..."
not at all, i am raising the profile of transgendered people within York, as the TS/TV/CD scene in York is (well was) non existent, but i am also raising awareness of transgendered people within York, the aim eventually is have a safe area of York much like Leeds has it's 'pink area' and Manchester has canal street, etc, it's small steps at moment by having one great venue and a couple of pubs near by that are LGBT friendly, we now have somewhere in York where TV/CD & TS's can venture out and be safe, by including all genre's there is also strength in numbers and support, York was a backwater where these issues were concerned, but not anymore. I work on the York LGBT forum which has quick easy access to local Police for hate crime advice & action and also has a voice on the local council, so a recognised 'Pink Zone' in York is not as foggy as it looks.
For anyone not aware, LGBT stands for Lesbian, Gay,Bisexual & Transgendered, and since Stonewall added the T to LGB and began to fight for the rights of 'T' as well as LGB, barriers have started coming down. |
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"OP, arn't you just as guilty as fab for this inappropriate compartmentalisation? After all you organise socials for " Trans/TV/CD/LGB & Admirers", who according to you sit in distinctly different groups...
not at all, i am raising the profile of transgendered people within York, as the TS/TV/CD scene in York is (well was) non existent, but i am also raising awareness of transgendered people within York, the aim eventually is have a safe area of York much like Leeds has it's 'pink area' and Manchester has canal street, etc, it's small steps at moment by having one great venue and a couple of pubs near by that are LGBT friendly, we now have somewhere in York where TV/CD & TS's can venture out and be safe, by including all genre's there is also strength in numbers and support, York was a backwater where these issues were concerned, but not anymore. I work on the York LGBT forum which has quick easy access to local Police for hate crime advice & action and also has a voice on the local council, so a recognised 'Pink Zone' in York is not as foggy as it looks.
For anyone not aware, LGBT stands for Lesbian, Gay,Bisexual & Transgendered, and since Stonewall added the T to LGB and began to fight for the rights of 'T' as well as LGB, barriers have started coming down."
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"OP, arn't you just as guilty as fab for this inappropriate compartmentalisation? After all you organise socials for " Trans/TV/CD/LGB & Admirers", who according to you sit in distinctly different groups..."
Not really. Supporting LGBT issues is not saying everyone in those groups is the same, they're just all under that banner as a matter of convenience in the quest for awareness. There's a lot of animosity in some sections between gay/lesbians towards transvestites in particular. It's a weird marriage of convenience. |
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"OP, arn't you just as guilty as fab for this inappropriate compartmentalisation? After all you organise socials for " Trans/TV/CD/LGB & Admirers", who according to you sit in distinctly different groups...
Not really. Supporting LGBT issues is not saying everyone in those groups is the same, they're just all under that banner as a matter of convenience in the quest for awareness. There's a lot of animosity in some sections between gay/lesbians towards transvestites in particular. It's a weird marriage of convenience. "
There is a radical lesbian feminist hardcore which vehemently rejects the concept of MtF gender reassignment. And I've lost count of the number of gay men who have tried to convince me I'm a gay man in denial. |
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"OP, arn't you just as guilty as fab for this inappropriate compartmentalisation? After all you organise socials for " Trans/TV/CD/LGB & Admirers", who according to you sit in distinctly different groups...
Not really. Supporting LGBT issues is not saying everyone in those groups is the same, they're just all under that banner as a matter of convenience in the quest for awareness. There's a lot of animosity in some sections between gay/lesbians towards transvestites in particular. It's a weird marriage of convenience.
There is a radical lesbian feminist hardcore which vehemently rejects the concept of MtF gender reassignment. And I've lost count of the number of gay men who have tried to convince me I'm a gay man in denial. "
if you look hard enough you'll find that attitude in all walks of life.
There's Gay men who claim Bi men are Gays in denial, Lesbians who claim Bi women are Lesbians in denial, straight men who claim they are straight even if they sex with a TV etc.
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"and since Stonewall added the T to LGB and began to fight for the rights of 'T' as well as LGB, barriers have started coming down."
... and USA won the first world war single-handed!!!!
The biggest advances in transgender rights have happened in spite of Stonewall not because of them. They have happened because some very brave people put their head over the parapet and took on the Government of the day in the courts. I'd rather honour people like Caroline Cossey and Christine Goodwin, and the unnamed applicants in the cases of R v Nw Lancs area health authority ex parte A, D & G, and R v Cornwall County Council ex parte S. None of those cases are recent! Stonewall joined the party this summer.
You need to remember whose shoulders you stand on before you champion the latecomers.
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