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"To make the issue even worse they have now even grouped CD with TV/TS as if there was very little difference if at all! We used to include TV/TS when advertising our parties because we wanted to welcome those TS who clearly make lot of efforts and live a life as a woman to supposedly being a man who wears a wig and some female clothes... surely there is a difference!" It's such a shame we have to label any one any way you forget that you not only have cds TVs transexuals you allso have transgenders who see them self as not male or female but both so you could have a main heading has trans then a sub heading with us all in then we can pick which one we are but please remember we are all human and do have feelings and comments like some people make can be very hurtful we all have feelings xx | |||
"My view right or wrong is if someone has a cock so its a bloke therefore tv. Obvously after op thats different." Wrong, ignorant and stupid actually. There have been many threads on this and it's never going to happen. Simply because it's too difficult to police. Would TS girls have to supply Fab with a copy of their gender recognition certificate before they are allowed the TS sticker rather than TV? As I can't see them being happy with that. I myself identify more with TS than TV, but I've no way of proving that (and shouldn't have to) to be allowed to have the label of my choice on here. I imagine what would happen is that you'd get an awful lot of TS profiles being reported. Because most people who want them are looking for "convincing". And the benchmark they work against, usually derived from young TS pornstars is unrealistic. So anyone failing to live up to that expectation in terms of looks would be reported as being TV rather than TS. And I've news for you, the majority of Trans women, pre and post op, look fuck all like that. The only thing a split would serve to do would be to show that just like single Bi women, there are actually very few of the pornstar TS on here, and their dance cards are just as full. And wouldn't that be a depressing prospect for you? | |||
"My view right or wrong is if someone has a cock so its a bloke therefore tv. Obvously after op thats different. Wrong, ignorant and stupid actually. There have been many threads on this and it's never going to happen. Simply because it's too difficult to police. Would TS girls have to supply Fab with a copy of their gender recognition certificate before they are allowed the TS sticker rather than TV? As I can't see them being happy with that. I myself identify more with TS than TV, but I've no way of proving that (and shouldn't have to) to be allowed to have the label of my choice on here. I imagine what would happen is that you'd get an awful lot of TS profiles being reported. Because most people who want them are looking for "convincing". And the benchmark they work against, usually derived from young TS pornstars is unrealistic. So anyone failing to live up to that expectation in terms of looks would be reported as being TV rather than TS. And I've news for you, the majority of Trans women, pre and post op, look fuck all like that. The only thing a split would serve to do would be to show that just like single Bi women, there are actually very few of the pornstar TS on here, and their dance cards are just as full. And wouldn't that be a depressing prospect for you? " Well said hun xxx | |||
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"How can a TS who lives and breaths being a woman, be grouped into the same category as a bloke that buys a 50p skirt from a charity shop and likes to knock one out in a dark motorway layby? and yes guys I realise not all CDs do that, im just showing the extremes! "They're not, as you point out they are extremes. Which are easy to filter out if use your eyes. When you get towards the middle and get a total gender blur it becomes more difficult. | |||
"To make the issue even worse they have now even grouped CD with TV/TS as if there was very little difference if at all! We used to include TV/TS when advertising our parties because we wanted to welcome those TS who clearly make lot of efforts and live a life as a woman to supposedly being a man who wears a wig and some female clothes... surely there is a difference! It's such a shame we have to label any one any way you forget that you not only have cds TVs transexuals you allso have transgenders who see them self as not male or female but both so you could have a main heading has trans then a sub heading with us all in then we can pick which one we are but please remember we are all human and do have feelings and comments like some people make can be very hurtful we all have feelings xx" With all respect I did not want to offend anyone and each one of us is free to believe to be who they wish but how other people will see you can be different. Me too I would like to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger but I am not! I supposed I could spend hours in the Gym every day dreaming to become one or… I could wear padded shirts and jackets to make everyone think that I have got huge muscles but I will look silly so I won’t. The moral of the story (in my opinion) yes we are all human and free to fancy dress on an occasion, however if you really have strong feelings and you really want to be a woman and/or look like one… take the right steps and make the efforts. Some TS have lovely natural long hair and they have fantastic breast, often dressed with fabulous clothes they look better than most women even if they still have their male parts, makes them even more interesting than women indeed!!! Some TV or CD honestly… They put on a wig, stuff their bra and walk like cowboys and they think that is sufficient to look like women… Really? I don’t think so! If you want to do something do it properly or why bother? This is what I think anyway. | |||
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"Well i dress almost every day as a woman and have been on hormones over 3 years and have my own 38c brest i do my make up and nails every day so what do i class my self "Well if you are a woman sure you should have a female profile.. | |||
"If you are a TS, and you have the paper work to prove it lol, just set up a female profile.. and then talk to people.. post op pre op, etc. you are female, so have a female profile..if some people dont like that well thats just life. " totally this  | |||
person currently with penis = male
person currently with vagina = female
CD = person wearing clothes of opposite gender
TV = person wearing clothes of opposite gender sometimes and also feeling that they are the opposite gender for that time
TS = person wearing clothes of opposite gender all the time and also feeling that they are the opposite gender all the time
Just my opinion only | |||
"If you are a TS, and you have the paper work to prove it lol, just set up a female profile.. and then talk to people.. post op pre op, etc. you are female, so have a female profile..if some people dont like that well thats just life. " | |||
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person currently with penis = male
person currently with vagina = female
CD = person wearing clothes of opposite gender
TV = person wearing clothes of opposite gender sometimes and also feeling that they are the opposite gender for that time
TS = person wearing clothes of opposite gender all the time and also feeling that they are the opposite gender all the time
Just my opinion only"Missed one out transgender someone who is not sure if they are male or female or female or male | |||
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person currently with penis = male
person currently with vagina = female
CD = person wearing clothes of opposite gender
TV = person wearing clothes of opposite gender sometimes and also feeling that they are the opposite gender for that time
TS = person wearing clothes of opposite gender all the time and also feeling that they are the opposite gender all the time
Just my opinion only
Missed one out transgender someone who is not sure if they are male or female or female or male "They might not be sure but I'll be sure if I meet them If he has a penis then he is male; if she has a vagina then she is female
I do like to keep things simple
But like I said, just my opinion only | |||
"You repeating me Josie? Lol x" Yeah, I just realised that | |||
"Just to confuse things we change our thoughts and feelings too. I have done the "convincing" thing, dressed up like a woman and gone out shopping, socialising etc. in the "normal" world of shopping centres, retaurants etc. However if you check my profile you'll see that I like to look outrageous - red hair, slut heels etc. If I were an actual woman I'd be doing the same. I'm not "convincing" but I don;t want to be - and guess the lovely people I've meet and played with like me as I am. So who;s got the problem? Not us Tgirls (the term I prefer) but those who can't tell a "convincing" tgirl from a RG (real girl). Now we shouldn't deceive on here but in clubs, on the street etc. it is fun to fuck with people's minds and confuse them. As someone else said there are only a few really awesome looking TSs but loads of lovely fun TSs, Tvs, CDs and Tgirls. Drop your inhibitions and embrace all our various styles...there are as many different Tgirls as Real Girls, get over it! " | |||
"Well my own personal view is. A C/D is a man who likes to put on ladies clothes, but isn't convincing, and doesn't wish to be convincing. A T/V is a guy who feels very feminine, looks very feminine, but its not a 24/7 lifestyle. A T/S is a guy/woman who really desires to be a lady/man in every form, is in transition sexually, and is fem/ masculine in every way. With or without a penis. Living the lifestyle 24/7. Remember its not only m to f, its also f to m... Now shoot me down guys. " finally somebody who gets it right | |||
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"Thanks for all the contributions to this interesting topic. Does Fabswingers have anything to say?" It never does on this subject. Just for the record; I'm tv who prefers the term tgirl. | |||
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" It is a disgrace that a site such as this groups CDs, TVs, TSs and TGs all together like we're the same. As people have been asking for the site mods to change this for ages they obviously don't care. " I don't think its that they don't care, its just that it would be an absolute bastard to police. | |||
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"It's quite simple really (to simplify it further, I'll just deal with male to female) CD wears women's clothes TV dresses AS/LIKE a woman TS is a woman, no matter how they're looking, what they're wearing or what they're doing. Its not a 'lifestyle' it's not a choice, its not bravery it's just life. " Absolutely. Thank you. As a transgender or transexual woman I have often raised and commented on this issue. I am a woman. Frankly I should not have to prove this by dropping my knickers. I do object to being grouped together with CD/TV as when in chat I consistently get told or asked "are you really a man". Well no I'm not. I was born a woman, just unfortunately somewhere in the assembly bit I got given the wrong genitals. The amount of times I've tried to explain this I can't remember and unfortunately as some people have shown on this thread even, there is a massive amount of ignorance about this. For the record I am medically transitioning. Hopefully my a gender corrective surgery will be next year. At which point whether people like it or not I shall be asking admin to change my profile to female. | |||
"Well i dress almost every day as a woman and have been on hormones over 3 years and have my own 38c brest i do my make up and nails every day so what do i class my self "Is there a category for sexy? | |||
I love how the most ignorant ones on this site are the ones to comment! Get ya facts right ..... If you don't know or don't understand.... Fecking Google it... And wind ya scrawny necks in! 
I'm a CD and for the one who mentioned 50p skirts! ..... I bet I spend more on clothes than you and your missues put together and I can give any TS a run for their money on the convincing stakes .....
I find it equally strange that the majority of people ....who have the issue on here are the straights! Hahs wtf wtf wft! But guess it's do easy for society to want to label people and put them in a catagory or box! .....
Not for you..... Then move on ... It's as simple as that! ..... | |||
" It's a simple bit of research and a request to the coders to change the options that's all. No one needs to "police" anything. " As I pointed out above, there would be a real issue policing who is actually TS rather than TV or CD. In the same way that people are free to create fake profiles under different genders or as couples, we are all free to self certify what we are. There are no checks done on this by admin, or there wouldn't be a problem with fake profiles. So it would rely on other members reporting TS profiles that they believe are really TV or CD for suspension. And this is where the problem lies. As has been proved time and time again by threads like this there is a wealth of ignorance on the subject. A lot of people believing that Dick=Man. They don't understand the inward feelings of gender being disconnected from the outward appearance of it. Also the word "convincing" would come into play. If as a TS you don't conform to the pornstar ideal, then you're liable to find yourself reported as being TV by some clueless bellend. I understand the frustration and that some TS girls are insulted by the association. But I don't really understand you're still being on here if you are that insulted. If you're determined to stay because like everyone else you want a shag, then just suck it up and deal with the situation as it is. Getting all politically correct isn't going to work. This site was created by/for and is predominately filled by people who aren't looking for TV/TS, and this being the internet and all contributions and membership are voluntary then they don't HAVE to do anything. They're just happy the money keeps rolling in. I'm screwed whatever happens. I'm gender fluid so end up stuck in the middle anyway. | |||
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" It's a simple bit of research and a request to the coders to change the options that's all. No one needs to "police" anything. As I pointed out above, there would be a real issue policing who is actually TS rather than TV or CD. In the same way that people are free to create fake profiles under different genders or as couples, we are all free to self certify what we are. There are no checks done on this by admin, or there wouldn't be a problem with fake profiles. So it would rely on other members reporting TS profiles that they believe are really TV or CD for suspension. And this is where the problem lies. As has been proved time and time again by threads like this there is a wealth of ignorance on the subject. A lot of people believing that Dick=Man. They don't understand the inward feelings of gender being disconnected from the outward appearance of it. Also the word "convincing" would come into play. If as a TS you don't conform to the pornstar ideal, then you're liable to find yourself reported as being TV by some clueless bellend. I understand the frustration and that some TS girls are insulted by the association. But I don't really understand you're still being on here if you are that insulted. If you're determined to stay because like everyone else you want a shag, then just suck it up and deal with the situation as it is. Getting all politically correct isn't going to work. This site was created by/for and is predominately filled by people who aren't looking for TV/TS, and this being the internet and all contributions and membership are voluntary then they don't HAVE to do anything. They're just happy the money keeps rolling in. I'm screwed whatever happens. I'm gender fluid so end up stuck in the middle anyway. " | |||
Mind you, it was interesting Might do it once again | |||
" So everyone else can be trusted but TGs can't? There is no need to do anything other than offer more descriptive options for the user. This isn't about other people faking anything. When guys chat to me they often ask for clarification on 'what' I am and I'm happy to give it because it's a confusing world. I have to be marked as something I am not and that is simply wrong when it would be easy for the site to change it. I genuinely am shocked at the "suck it up" comment. " Bloody hell, she really didn't like sucking it up did she!? | |||
"I had sex with a TV/TG/TS/CD a couple of weeks ago. How did I know that he was a bloke? Simple; he had a cock
Mind you, it was interesting Might do it once again"I'm confused. Was this "bloke" a tv/cd or tg or Ts? If "he" was tv/cd then yes, he was. | |||
"I had sex with a TV/TG/TS/CD a couple of weeks ago. How did I know that he was a bloke? Simple; he had a cock
Mind you, it was interesting Might do it once again
I'm confused. Was this "bloke" a tv/cd or tg or Ts?
If "he" was tv/cd then yes, he was.
"It said TV/TS on his profile and he had a cock. That is all I know and I wanted an unusual experience | |||
"I had sex with a TV/TG/TS/CD a couple of weeks ago. How did I know that he was a bloke? Simple; he had a cock
Mind you, it was interesting Might do it once again
I'm confused. Was this "bloke" a tv/cd or tg or Ts?
If "he" was tv/cd then yes, he was.
It said TV/TS on his profile and he had a cock. That is all I know and I wanted an unusual experience"I'm guessing he was just a dresser then. Many TS girls are straight so wouldn't be interested in a female. | |||
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" It said TV/TS on his profile and he had a cock. That is all I know and I wanted an unusual experience I'm guessing he was just a dresser then. Many TS girls are straight so wouldn't be interested in a female. " I don't know what he is. Sort of gay, I suppose as his profile says he is looking for men. All I know is that he has a cock and it was pretty big | |||
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"I suspect he was a horny pervert like the rest of us!" I like horny perverts | |||
"I suspect he was a horny pervert like the rest of us! I like horny perverts "So do I. Can you send him my way now you've finished with him. I like big willies | |||
"I suspect he was a horny pervert like the rest of us! I like horny perverts
So do I. Can you send him my way now you've finished with him. I like big willies "I'll be sure to tell him | |||
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"To me tv/ts is someone who is more female than male or lives as a woman. Cd is a guy in a frock. Either way cds shouldn't be grouped with tv/ts. The later is too hard to split i think. "That's why you should use lube! | |||
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"Tv and Ts are very different. Ts are not just playing at it. If you're transitioning, living your life as female with the intention of having a physical sex change, woman who nature stuffed up the allocation of body parts, then you shouldn't have to be grouped in with those of us who just dress up for fun. Myself included. " But how do you decide who belongs in which category? Is it self-policed, in which case I've got to admit I personally know a fair number of girlys who have ticked this box on Chix, for various reasons, but whom are most definitely not transitioning. | |||
"Tv and Ts are very different. Ts are not just playing at it. If you're transitioning, living your life as female with the intention of having a physical sex change, woman who nature stuffed up the allocation of body parts, then you shouldn't have to be grouped in with those of us who just dress up for fun. Myself included. " Totally agree with you. And as a previous poster pointed out, after you/one has the correct 'body parts', then they must be either male or female and not TV/TG/TS/CD/she-male/lady-boy, etc. (apologies, if I missed anyone out again; I am more awake after the second cup of coffee ) | |||
"Tv and Ts are very different. Ts are not just playing at it. If you're transitioning, living your life as female with the intention of having a physical sex change, woman who nature stuffed up the allocation of body parts, then you shouldn't have to be grouped in with those of us who just dress up for fun. Myself included. Totally agree with you. And as a previous poster pointed out, after you/one has the correct 'body parts', then they must be either male or female and not TV/TG/TS/CD/she-male/lady-boy, etc. (apologies, if I missed anyone out again; I am more awake after the second cup of coffee )"There was a post from a girl who said she was a Ts with paperwork to prove it recently. I got confused when she first slated a club for grouping her with the transvestites and wanted to charge her as a guy, altho to be fair to them they said she would have been charged as a girl if she'd actually gone down to see them. Next post she was talking about going to the sauna which is men only. So she must have then been hiding her female status and just have been saying she was a tv. As you can see; as Tina rightly just said, it's a nightmare to police since even the tv's and Ts seem to flit between the two to suit their own situation at that time. | |||
"Tv and Ts are very different. Ts are not just playing at it. If you're transitioning, living your life as female with the intention of having a physical sex change, woman who nature stuffed up the allocation of body parts, then you shouldn't have to be grouped in with those of us who just dress up for fun. Myself included. Totally agree with you. And as a previous poster pointed out, after you/one has the correct 'body parts', then they must be either male or female and not TV/TG/TS/CD/she-male/lady-boy, etc. (apologies, if I missed anyone out again; I am more awake after the second cup of coffee )
There was a post from a girl who said she was a Ts with paperwork to prove it recently.
I got confused when she first slated a club for grouping her with the transvestites and wanted to charge her as a guy, altho to be fair to them they said she would have been charged as a girl if she'd actually gone down to see them.
Next post she was talking about going to the sauna which is men only. So she must have then been hiding her female status and just have been saying she was a tv.
As you can see; as Tina rightly just said, it's a nightmare to police since even the tv's and Ts seem to flit between the two to suit their own situation at that time. "Paperwork? Now, just like many others here before me, it is my turn to be confused
Males have male 'body parts'; females have female 'body parts'. Not quite sure what 'body parts' paperwork has
So, if I tried to enter a gay sauna then wouldn't that become apparent immediately? Unless it is one where the gays have their trench-coats on | |||
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"Perhaps she hadn't yet had the final operation but if not I don't understand how she would have had her birth certificate changed. " I better go and and hunt for my birth certificate before I venture out to a swingers club again
I will get serious for a moment, now. I don't know the ins and outs of what goes on here but someone PMed me saying that I have hurt people's feelings
I am outta here now but I'd just like to say that I don't hurt people and if I have, then I apologise to whoever feels hurt by any of my comments. It was unintentional
I was told that I was using the wrong terminology
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"I personally feel tramped in my male form and have always felt I was in the wrong body. But been brought up in a very heterosexual house with my mother been the only woman in a house of five men I didn't have much choice of trying to prove myself a man hans I've been living a lye for the last 42 yrs and because I'm married with kids and grand kids I can't find it in my heart to hurt the ones I love. So when I get a chance to feel and look fem I take it I consider myself a TS but people would say I'm a TV because I live as a male most of the time. " That does make you TV or TG maybe. If you are TS you have no choice, it becomes all consuming to a point where everything has to change. At lest that's my experience anyway. | |||
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" That does make you TV or TG maybe. If you are TS you have no choice, it becomes all consuming to a point where everything has to change. At lest that's my experience anyway. " Get to the point where it's do or die. There is no choice involved anymore. | |||
"Are you are normal woman trapped in a mans body?" For me personally It feels as if nature has played a bad joke on me. It got to the stage for me that I was depressed and didn't like myself or anybody around me lucky I consulted my GP and told her how I have always felt wrong in my own body Alien like | |||
" That does make you TV or TG maybe. If you are TS you have no choice, it becomes all consuming to a point where everything has to change. At lest that's my experience anyway. Get to the point where it's do or die. There is no choice involved anymore. " That's exactly where I got after suffering depressive episodes all my adult life I had a mental breakdown. I lost my spouse, my house, living with my children, my company, nearly all my savings but I'm alive. Had I not made the decision to eventually stop denying myself something I'd known since I was little then I'd have definitely killed myself. I was pretty close a few times. It is this reason that I totally understand and respect your decision Rebecca not to blow your families lives apart. But sometimes if you want to be happy in life then you need to be a bit selfish. It's taken a little while for my family to adjust but unconditional love if it is truly unconditional will always be there and you will get the support you need. I'm in a much happier place now. I'm certainly not some ultimate perve either just getting tits and a fanny for the kick. It's not exactly the easiest choice believe me, giving up male privilege etc. | |||
"Why do so many “women" trapped in "mens" bodies become sex workers, and swingers etc? Most women born in women's bodies stay vanilla. Why do women trapped in mens bodies become cock obsessed ? Are they not just the ultimate perverts? Good luck to them! I'd love a pair of tits! Lol! "Try getting a normal job as a trans person. That's why. There are a lot of perves that will pay good money for the fetish and you can earn well and pay for all the cosmetic surgery you might want/need. I'm certainly not cock obsessed seeing I'm trans lesbian. | |||
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"At the end of the day you could be a woman trapped in a mans body without cheating on your wife by meeting strangers for sex. cheating and sex with strangers is not the usual behaviour of a real woman. (I'm sorry to say)." I think your wrong about that. there's lots of women meeting strangers for sex I've seen this in clubs and other places. Sex is ok BUT NOT EVERYTHING for a man it's the release and for the woman it's a mental and physical thing. | |||
"At the end of the day you could be a woman trapped in a mans body without cheating on your wife by meeting strangers for sex. cheating and sex with strangers is not the usual behaviour of a real woman. (I'm sorry to say). I think your wrong about that. there's lots of women meeting strangers for sex I've seen this in clubs and other places. Sex is ok BUT NOT EVERYTHING for a man it's the release and for the woman it's a mental and physical thing. " What sort of club? | |||
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"Nothing posted has managed to convince me otherwise that no matter what clothes are worn if you have a cock you are male. To me its simple why there has to be anything regarding sep stufc for tv cd beats mecas long as on profile the person likes to dress in female clothes whats the issue. As for those undergoing gender transformation until the cock is gone in my eyes are male may be unpopular but thats my opinion." It may be your opinion but it's very insensitive to express it when there is such a heartfelt discussion going on between people who's lives have been so severely affected through no fault of their own. That's my opinion. | |||
"At a sauna on a bi day I go there just to socialise with other TS/TV. When I've gone around I've seen groups of guys on one woman. I've even talked to the ladies after and asked did they now the guys. There response was "they like it when they get fucked by complete strangers". " Yes, but that is not representative of most women is it? if you were a woman born into a mans body why would feel the need to join somewhere like fab unless you're a pervert like the rest of us? Join the women's institute. Not a fuck site. | |||
"At a sauna on a bi day I go there just to socialise with other TS/TV. When I've gone around I've seen groups of guys on one woman. I've even talked to the ladies after and asked did they now the guys. There response was "they like it when they get fucked by complete strangers". Yes, but that is not representative of most women is it? if you were a woman born into a mans body why would feel the need to join somewhere like fab unless you're a pervert like the rest of us? Join the women's institute. Not a fuck site." There are gay and lesbian perverts too. Sexuality has absolutely nothing to do with gender. The sooner you educate yourself about this fact the quicker you will appear to be a complete ignoramus. This is also a swinging site not a sex or fuck site. There is a vast difference in the two. I like the social side of swinging and being bi sexual I can meet couples if I choose too which is somewhat harder in vanilla social circles. This does not mean I'm just a man enjoying a kink. Honestly the ignorance on here sometimes astounds me. | |||
"At a sauna on a bi day I go there just to socialise with other TS/TV. When I've gone around I've seen groups of guys on one woman. I've even talked to the ladies after and asked did they now the guys. There response was "they like it when they get fucked by complete strangers". Yes, but that is not representative of most women is it? if you were a woman born into a mans body why would feel the need to join somewhere like fab unless you're a pervert like the rest of us? Join the women's institute. Not a fuck site. There are gay and lesbian perverts too. Sexuality has absolutely nothing to do with gender. The sooner you educate yourself about this fact the quicker you will appear to be a complete ignoramus. This is also a swinging site not a sex or fuck site. There is a vast difference in the two. I like the social side of swinging and being bi sexual I can meet couples if I choose too which is somewhat harder in vanilla social circles. This does not mean I'm just a man enjoying a kink. Honestly the ignorance on here sometimes astounds me. "Appear not to be an ignoramus that should have been. | |||
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"At a sauna on a bi day I go there just to socialise with other TS/TV. When I've gone around I've seen groups of guys on one woman. I've even talked to the ladies after and asked did they now the guys. There response was "they like it when they get fucked by complete strangers". Yes, but that is not representative of most women is it? if you were a woman born into a mans body why would feel the need to join somewhere like fab unless you're a pervert like the rest of us? Join the women's institute. Not a fuck site." So, how do you know that it is representative of the TVs/TSs? Maybe the vast majority are not on any swingers site There is this gay at work who once said the most stupidest thing: "Most of the men in xxxxxx country are bisexual". I asked him how he knew that; had he slept with most of the male population of that country Have you??? | |||
"I still don't belive a word of it. Where are all the thousands of men born into women's bodies?" Walking the streets and living as men, they undergo surgery and hormone treatment. I know a few. | |||
"Yes, but that is not representative of most women is it? if you were a woman born into a mans body why would feel the need to join somewhere like fab unless you're a pervert like the rest of us? Join the women's institute. Not a fuck site." So you are saying that all the women on this site shouldn't be here? Certainly it is you who are in the wrong place, having such a closed mind and your inability to understand the concept of transexualism which is medically defined demonstrate your limitations | |||
"Nothing posted has managed to convince me otherwise that no matter what clothes are worn if you have a cock you are male. To me its simple why there has to be anything regarding sep stufc for tv cd beats mecas long as on profile the person likes to dress in female clothes whats the issue. As for those undergoing gender transformation until the cock is gone in my eyes are male may be unpopular but thats my opinion." So if I was to cut your cock off for being an ignorant insensitive arse, would you still be a man? | |||
"Nothing posted has managed to convince me otherwise that no matter what clothes are worn if you have a cock you are male. To me its simple why there has to be anything regarding sep stufc for tv cd beats mecas long as on profile the person likes to dress in female clothes whats the issue. As for those undergoing gender transformation until the cock is gone in my eyes are male may be unpopular but thats my opinion. So if I was to cut your cock off for being an ignorant insensitive arse, would you still be a man? " | |||
"At the end of the day you could be a woman trapped in a mans body without cheating on your wife by meeting strangers for sex. cheating and sex with strangers is not the usual behaviour of a real woman. (I'm sorry to say)." How long have you been on this site exactly? | |||
"I still don't belive a word of it. Where are all the thousands of men born into women's bodies?" They're out there, I know at least two. The major difference is the way society reacts to the two circumstances. If a woman takes on traditionally male traits, there's very little said, its considered normal; whilst if a born male is outwardly feminine they're more likely to suffer ridicule and abuse. The draw to sites like this one is one of a sense of open mindedness amongst the scene. Yes for some it's a kink, the dictionary definition of transvestism is after all, someone who gets a sexual thrill by wearing clothes of the opposite gender, but for others its a place where positive attention can be found and where, you'd hope at least, all types can be accepted, whether you're into that element of the human condition or not is irrelevant, the spectrum of humanity on this site is what makes it interesting. | |||
"At the end of the day you could be a woman trapped in a mans body without cheating on your wife by meeting strangers for sex. cheating and sex with strangers is not the usual behaviour of a real woman. (I'm sorry to say). How long have you been on this site exactly? "Oh yeah just to add. There are those of us who aren't cheating on partners and so NSA sex if we choose to have it via our swinging friends is perfectly normal as it is for the vast majority of single women on here. | |||
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"At the end of the day you could be a woman trapped in a mans body without cheating on your wife by meeting strangers for sex. cheating and sex with strangers is not the usual behaviour of a real woman. (I'm sorry to say). How long have you been on this site exactly? "Lol, what an excellent point! You've totally changed my point of view! There was I thinking that every penny spent by the nhs on crossdressers would be so much better served on people who actually have something wrong with them. But now I'm completely convinced. Well done. | |||
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" Lol, what an excellent point! You've totally changed my point of view! There was I thinking that every penny spent by the nhs on crossdressers would be so much better served on people who actually have something wrong with them. But now I'm completely convinced. Well done." Allowing someone a quality of life that let's them function is money well spent, especially as it's a condition that is no fault of the sufferer. The amounts spent on transgender patients is eclipsed by the amounts spent trying to solve self inflicted issues, such as cancer treatments for smokers, specialist bariatric care for obese people, the vast amounts of alcohol related problems etc. | |||
"Oh here we go, more belittling. " No no I'm convinced, end of argument. gives me a warm feeling inside that some cancer treatment etc is not offered due to the costs involved, while guys can grow tits. Good. | |||
"Oh here we go, more belittling. No no I'm convinced, end of argument. gives me a warm feeling inside that some cancer treatment etc is not offered due to the costs involved, while guys can grow tits. Good. "And I feel the same way about Viagra, IVF, contraception etc etc. The point being that the NHS does not do what I want it to do but what it feels it needs to do to best serve the general population. Trans people pay tax too you know. | |||
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"Oh here we go, more belittling. No no I'm convinced, end of argument. gives me a warm feeling inside that some cancer treatment etc is not offered due to the costs involved, while guys can grow tits. Good. "I am not convinced that money spent on treating bisexual men for HIV is worthwhile when there are women dying of breast cancer | |||
"Oh here we go, more belittling. No no I'm convinced, end of argument. gives me a warm feeling inside that some cancer treatment etc is not offered due to the costs involved, while guys can grow tits. Good. "Is this the same cancer that is at present incurable and the treatment you refer to would give the person a few more weeks of painful existence at huge cost, OR to reverse a genetic mistake where the person was born in the wrong body and rectifying it could well stop that person from taking their own life? As someone said, why not object to smokers, alcoholics and the obese getting treatment if cost is your only objection? Trans isn't something you decide to do. You just are. You've clearly not a single clue. You believe that a women having extra marital nsa sex doesn't happen? Have you spent your entire time on this site with blinkers on? And why shouldn't a TS have the same sexual urges as any other woman/man? | |||
"That treatment you so obviously disagree with, saved my life. " Which one? The Viagra, IVF or contraception? I don't disagree with any of them, but if we're picking and choosing what we each want to fund in the NHS then I want to choose as well. | |||
"Oh here we go, more belittling. No no I'm convinced, end of argument. gives me a warm feeling inside that some cancer treatment etc is not offered due to the costs involved, while guys can grow tits. Good.
I am not convinced that money spent on treating bisexual men for HIV is worthwhile when there are women dying of breast cancer"I'm not convinced women having IF is value for money when there are kids needing adoption. | |||
"..... I'm not an arsehole trapped in a mans body ....." Totally agree. It is not a man's body | |||
"..... I'm not an arsehole trapped in a mans body ..... Totally agree. It is not a man's body "Lol very good! | |||
Sort out between yourselves who is all and who is sundry | |||
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"Would that category cover all the men in women's bodies to? Are they called transsexuals to?? I expect there's a few hundred on here, just wait for one to come along....." Are you a gay? I just ask because you sound like the one we've got at work? Very bitchy | |||
"Would that category cover all the men in women's bodies to? Are they called transsexuals to?? I expect there's a few hundred on here, just wait for one to come along..... Are you a gay? I just ask because you sound like the one we've got at work? Very bitchy "Do you think all gays are bitchy? Maybe I'm a gay trapped in a bisexual body?! "quick! Dr! Gimme some pills!" | |||
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"Would that category cover all the men in women's bodies to? Are they called transsexuals to?? I expect there's a few hundred on here, just wait for one to come along..... Are you a gay? I just ask because you sound like the one we've got at work? Very bitchy
Do you think all gays are bitchy? Maybe I'm a gay trapped in a bisexual body?! "quick! Dr! Gimme some pills!""I haven't met all; just one at work. And now you | |||
"Would that category cover all the men in women's bodies to? Are they called transsexuals to?? I expect there's a few hundred on here, just wait for one to come along..... Are you a gay? I just ask because you sound like the one we've got at work? Very bitchy
Do you think all gays are bitchy? Maybe I'm a gay trapped in a bisexual body?! "quick! Dr! Gimme some pills!"
I haven't met all; just one at work. And now you "I'd love to say that you're the first ts I've met, but alas I can't, but seriously who did your tits? They look almost real! | |||
"Would that category cover all the men in women's bodies to? Are they called transsexuals to?? I expect there's a few hundred on here, just wait for one to come along..... Are you a gay? I just ask because you sound like the one we've got at work? Very bitchy
Do you think all gays are bitchy? Maybe I'm a gay trapped in a bisexual body?! "quick! Dr! Gimme some pills!"
I haven't met all; just one at work. And now you
I'd love to say that you're the first ts I've met, but alas I can't, but seriously who did your tits? They look almost real! "You have met me? I have only met one gay and that wasn't you
As for my 'tits'. They are very real as proven by my verifications. And if I were Tv, then they probably would have been better | |||
"Would that category cover all the men in women's bodies to? Are they called transsexuals to?? I expect there's a few hundred on here, just wait for one to come along..... Are you a gay? I just ask because you sound like the one we've got at work? Very bitchy
Do you think all gays are bitchy? Maybe I'm a gay trapped in a bisexual body?! "quick! Dr! Gimme some pills!"
I haven't met all; just one at work. And now you
I'd love to say that you're the first ts I've met, but alas I can't, but seriously who did your tits? They look almost real!
You have met me? I have only met one gay and that wasn't you
As for my 'tits'. They are very real as proven by my verifications. And if I were Tv, then they probably would have been better "Lol you can get real banter from a real woman... Peace out. | |||
"Would that category cover all the men in women's bodies to? Are they called transsexuals to?? I expect there's a few hundred on here, just wait for one to come along..... Are you a gay? I just ask because you sound like the one we've got at work? Very bitchy
Do you think all gays are bitchy? Maybe I'm a gay trapped in a bisexual body?! "quick! Dr! Gimme some pills!"
I haven't met all; just one at work. And now you
I'd love to say that you're the first ts I've met, but alas I can't, but seriously who did your tits? They look almost real!
You have met me? I have only met one gay and that wasn't you
As for my 'tits'. They are very real as proven by my verifications. And if I were Tv, then they probably would have been better
Lol you can get real banter from a real woman...
Peace out."Chicken | |||
"KISS
person currently with penis = male
person currently with vagina = female
CD = person wearing clothes of opposite gender
TV = person wearing clothes of opposite gender sometimes and also feeling that they are the opposite gender for that time
TS = person wearing clothes of opposite gender all the time and also feeling that they are the opposite gender all the time
Just my opinion only
Missed one out transgender someone who is not sure if they are male or female or female or male
They might not be sure but I'll be sure if I meet them
If he has a penis then he is male; if she has a vagina then she is female
I do like to keep things simple
But like I said, just my opinion only "i dress as i like all the time, which happens to be female clothing, i live 24/7 as female, my documents say i am female, but i have not had my cock turned inside out and made into a vagina yet, so what am i? i am female, pure and simple, always have been, always will be, i cannot help the fact that nature fucked up and put me in the wrong body, but in your eyes i am still male, you've got no idea how much that hurts! i may not be your cup of tea, but labeling me as male is akin to me labeling you as male. | |||
"Why are TS and TV put together in the same category? There's a world of difference between them ... How about allowing searches to distinguish them?" Agree! | |||
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