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By *inaTitzTV/TS 1 week ago
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"Crossdresser decides they are now trans and moves to the trans category. Nothing has changed other than they now feel they are trans.
What has been achieved? "
This. On other sites where people can opt for whichever one they please, many make the choice that feels right for them. |
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Personally, it would very much be appreciated if TS was separate from TG/CD
I don't have male bits, have never been male, and it is somewhat annoying to have to repeatedly deal with messages from men looking for TG/CD gay sex.
I'd also suggest some methodology so that TS's can define themselves as pre or post op transmale or transfemale
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"Personally, it would very much be appreciated if TS was separate from TG/CD
I don't have male bits, have never been male, and it is somewhat annoying to have to repeatedly deal with messages from men looking for TG/CD gay sex.
I'd also suggest some methodology so that TS's can define themselves as pre or post op transmale or transfemale
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What’s the difference between a pre op trans and a TV? Other than one arbitrarily deciding they are different than the other? Cause that’s all it actually is. One decides he’s a she and that’s meant to be that.
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By *s-two-75Couple 1 week ago
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Won’t make much difference as people will label themselves as they feel, but like fab straights.
I’ve seen profiles on here describing themselves as women but have rubber tits, a cock, but in their head there a women.
Most profiles put it in the written bio which no one ever reads
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What’s the difference between a pre op trans and a TV? Other than one arbitrarily deciding they are different than the other? Cause that’s all it actually is. One decides he’s a she and that’s meant to be that.
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A pre-op TS has been medically assessed as being born TS female (brain sex different to genital sex), suffering from Gender Dysphoria caused by that brain/body mismatch, and is/seeks medical therapy. Being TS is a born biological human reality. Not a sexuality nor gender expression.
A TV (usually) is a male brained / male bodied person who enjoys cross dressing as part of their masculine identity. Often but not always associated to latent homosexual desires.
The two are very different and claiming a TS is someone who has decided they want to be a women demonstrates a total lack of understanding of the issue and of human sexual development. Referring to a TS female as a "he" is called transphobia.
In short, a TS is not a highly dedicated TV as you imply. They did not decide to be a woman, and they are not a "he". |
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What’s the difference between a pre op trans and a TV? Other than one arbitrarily deciding they are different than the other? Cause that’s all it actually is. One decides he’s a she and that’s meant to be that.
A pre-op TS has been medically assessed as being born TS female (brain sex different to genital sex), suffering from Gender Dysphoria caused by that brain/body mismatch, and is/seeks medical therapy. Being TS is a born biological human reality. Not a sexuality nor gender expression.
A TV (usually) is a male brained / male bodied person who enjoys cross dressing as part of their masculine identity. Often but not always associated to latent homosexual desires.
The two are very different and claiming a TS is someone who has decided they want to be a women demonstrates a total lack of understanding of the issue and of human sexual development. Referring to a TS female as a "he" is called transphobia.
In short, a TS is not a highly dedicated TV as you imply. They did not decide to be a woman, and they are not a "he"."
Give it a rest with the transphobia crap. You are pulling that card to shit down an opinion you don’t like. It’s not transphobia just cause you don’t like it.
There is no clinical test for brain gender. But if make up nonsense justifies you feeling superior to someone else crack on. Maybe you need it. |
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I'm sorry that I have upset you. That was not my intention at all. I'm simply stating medical and legal facts.
"Give it a rest with the transphobia crap. You are pulling that card to shit down an opinion you don’t like. It’s not transphobia just cause you don’t like it."
Sorry. I'm simply stating the law. If a person is deliberately referring to a transsex female as "he" i.e. rejecting their legally recognized sex, then that is transphobia.
Nothing to do with shooting down opinions I don't like. I believe all opinions, including those I do not agree with, are free to be aired... and debated.
"There is no clinical test for brain gender."
Regarding gender and sex. It is important to differentiate the two.
Sex is a physical characteristic i.e. the male or female brain.
Gender is the psychological aspect of brain sex i.e. the innate sense of sexed self
Gender Expression is the way that an individual manifests the gender i.e. through clothing / appearance (that is why TG is a more modern name for TV, as it refers to a person who adopts the traditional social gender norms of the opposite sex)
There is no physical medical test for brain sex, in that you are correct. There is however a well established methodology for determining if a person is transsex i.e. has a brain sex as demonstrated by the mind's gender, that differs from the genital sex (sex assigned at birth). Further, postmortem neurological anatomical studies have both identified the physical markers differentiating between the male and female brain, and that in the case of transsex people, irrespective of medical intervention or not, the brain aligns with the sex they stated they were in life, not that assigned to them at birth / or determined by chromosomes.
"But if make up nonsense justifies you feeling superior to someone else crack on. Maybe you need it."
I'm sorry you feel that I am being superior in stating that a TS female is not the same as a TG/TV male.
There are no feelings of superiority in my mind, for if there were, I would hold the opinion that a TS is a highly dedicated i.e. more developed, TV.
As stated above, I do not hold that opinion. Transsexism has nothing to do with crossdressing nor sexuality. That is not a statement of superiority, it is a statement of medical fact.
It is clear we will not agree on this issue; that you seem upset by my views for which I am sorry; and that this forum is not the place to hold such a debate. As such I bid you well and end the conversation here.
Take care. |
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"I'm sorry that I have upset you. That was not my intention at all. I'm simply stating medical and legal facts.
Give it a rest with the transphobia crap. You are pulling that card to shit down an opinion you don’t like. It’s not transphobia just cause you don’t like it.
Sorry. I'm simply stating the law. If a person is deliberately referring to a transsex female as "he" i.e. rejecting their legally recognized sex, then that is transphobia.
Nothing to do with shooting down opinions I don't like. I believe all opinions, including those I do not agree with, are free to be aired... and debated.
There is no clinical test for brain gender.
Regarding gender and sex. It is important to differentiate the two.
Sex is a physical characteristic i.e. the male or female brain.
Gender is the psychological aspect of brain sex i.e. the innate sense of sexed self
Gender Expression is the way that an individual manifests the gender i.e. through clothing / appearance (that is why TG is a more modern name for TV, as it refers to a person who adopts the traditional social gender norms of the opposite sex)
There is no physical medical test for brain sex, in that you are correct. There is however a well established methodology for determining if a person is transsex i.e. has a brain sex as demonstrated by the mind's gender, that differs from the genital sex (sex assigned at birth). Further, postmortem neurological anatomical studies have both identified the physical markers differentiating between the male and female brain, and that in the case of transsex people, irrespective of medical intervention or not, the brain aligns with the sex they stated they were in life, not that assigned to them at birth / or determined by chromosomes.
But if make up nonsense justifies you feeling superior to someone else crack on. Maybe you need it.
I'm sorry you feel that I am being superior in stating that a TS female is not the same as a TG/TV male.
There are no feelings of superiority in my mind, for if there were, I would hold the opinion that a TS is a highly dedicated i.e. more developed, TV.
As stated above, I do not hold that opinion. Transsexism has nothing to do with crossdressing nor sexuality. That is not a statement of superiority, it is a statement of medical fact.
It is clear we will not agree on this issue; that you seem upset by my views for which I am sorry; and that this forum is not the place to hold such a debate. As such I bid you well and end the conversation here.
Take care."
Trading society norms as you call them are a construct of a patriarchal society and, women have found these disempowering and constraining. Hence feminism. |
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"I'm sorry that I have upset you. That was not my intention at all. I'm simply stating medical and legal facts.
Give it a rest with the transphobia crap. You are pulling that card to shit down an opinion you don’t like. It’s not transphobia just cause you don’t like it.
Sorry. I'm simply stating the law. If a person is deliberately referring to a transsex female as "he" i.e. rejecting their legally recognized sex, then that is transphobia.
Nothing to do with shooting down opinions I don't like. I believe all opinions, including those I do not agree with, are free to be aired... and debated.
There is no clinical test for brain gender.
Regarding gender and sex. It is important to differentiate the two.
Sex is a physical characteristic i.e. the male or female brain.
Gender is the psychological aspect of brain sex i.e. the innate sense of sexed self
Gender Expression is the way that an individual manifests the gender i.e. through clothing / appearance (that is why TG is a more modern name for TV, as it refers to a person who adopts the traditional social gender norms of the opposite sex)
There is no physical medical test for brain sex, in that you are correct. There is however a well established methodology for determining if a person is transsex i.e. has a brain sex as demonstrated by the mind's gender, that differs from the genital sex (sex assigned at birth). Further, postmortem neurological anatomical studies have both identified the physical markers differentiating between the male and female brain, and that in the case of transsex people, irrespective of medical intervention or not, the brain aligns with the sex they stated they were in life, not that assigned to them at birth / or determined by chromosomes.
But if make up nonsense justifies you feeling superior to someone else crack on. Maybe you need it.
I'm sorry you feel that I am being superior in stating that a TS female is not the same as a TG/TV male.
There are no feelings of superiority in my mind, for if there were, I would hold the opinion that a TS is a highly dedicated i.e. more developed, TV.
As stated above, I do not hold that opinion. Transsexism has nothing to do with crossdressing nor sexuality. That is not a statement of superiority, it is a statement of medical fact.
It is clear we will not agree on this issue; that you seem upset by my views for which I am sorry; and that this forum is not the place to hold such a debate. As such I bid you well and end the conversation here.
Take care."
I’m not upset by your views. Believe whatever comforts you.
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"Tradi[tional][sic] society norms as you call them are a construct of a patriarchal society and, women have found these disempowering and constraining. Hence feminism. "
I totally agree. Traditional social gender norms i.e. regimented "acceptable" gender expressions for females, are a social construct of a patriarchal society, the principle tool of female oppression and feminism is the fight against that sexism.
Likewise, defining a TS female by her outward appearance/fashion choices, instead of her born biological reality, is transsexism. Founded upon binary sexist theology and manifesting as transmisogyny.
However, again, I'd suggest this is not the place for a debate upon feminism, transfeminism, and/or the transsexism and transmisogyny common within straight and gay males. |
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