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"When are people going to realise that a verification i just that.... You have been verified as being who you say you are! OP, if you are playing with couples you have met before, does it really matter how old your veris are?? " You seem to have missed our point. The verification says who you 'were' at the time the verification was made but doesn't necessarily apply to who you are now. For example, we have verified a couple we know as being a genuine soft-swinging couple. We know they still are because we still see them. But to anyone else looking at the verification from us, they could easily now be a nun and a transvestite living in different countries. The previous poster makes a good point about it being down to the person looking at the verifications to decide how 'in date' they are and also makes an equally good point about the ages of pictures. Now, I've mentioned this before (and I appreciate that nobody believes me), but I came up with the idea of verifications on a different website some 17 or so years ago now (feel free to be cynical). At the time, it was meant as a way to allow people who were viewed as 'genuine' to verify other people who were 'genuine'. Strict rules applied, so you had to have 3 verifications yourself, and in person. No long term plan was considered. Web cams weren't so common place. We soon had our first problem that a 'rogue element' who had a gripe with the site owner decided to start verifying everyone to bugger it all up. It worked (kind of) at the time, for a bit, but now it's become a bit unreliable and anyone who has been let down by repeat timewasters will tell you that not everyone with a veri, deserves to have a veri. So, we can just say, oh well, a veri doesn't mean that much, never mind OR We can reclaim the verification as something which is earned and actually means something. Therefore, we suggest the following... Gold, Silver and Bronze star verifications... Bronze Star... You have been verified by picture and you have been seen, as a couple, on webcam, by another user who has Gold or Silver Star verification or you have met in person with a person with Gold or Silver Star Verification. If you have not been verified for 3 years, you lose your star. Silver Star... You have been verified in person by 2 users with Gold, Silver star status in the last 2 years. If after two years your verification has not been renewed, you drop to Bronze Star. Gold Star... You have been verified in person by 3 users with Gold or Silver status in the last 1 year. If after a year, your verification has not been renewed, you drop to Silver Star. It may sound over complex, but it would all be handled via some simple programming on the site. Users would not have to worry, they could just verify people as they always have done, but could also have a re-verify button to click if they had a recent meet (or web-cam viewing) of the swinger in question. | |||
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"Oh - and just to add - surely the same could be said about pics!! Do you put much faith in those that are five years old? Or do you think you'd pay more heed to up to date recent ones? But then the date of uploading isn't the same as the date or year they were taken! As is the case with some 'met them years ago when they were on before' style veri's!! " Up to date pics are a essential in my opinion. Ive seen some guys on cam who look nothing like their old pics. | |||
"Oh, and photos should have the date they were posted next to them. In fact, don't they have that already? Damn, we need to put up some newer pictures!!;)" They do indeed!! The problem is - and this can often be seen by date stamps on pics - that people will upload a picture taken many moons ago, providing no guarantee of accuracy should you choose to meet! I know several ladies who've fallen foul of this - some have quite rightly walked away - others have been put in very awkward and uncomfortable situations when challenging! Yes you can always cam or insist on a social to be sure - but many choose not to for their own reasons. I guess you run the risk - but I for one would be less than pleased - and have no issue walking away and stating why. But I suspect this may be one of the reason people throw the 'timewaster' label around. If you've not been fully open and honest with those you arrange meets with - don't expect them to play just because they are there! And a decline on these grounds does not make them a time waster - that label is for those deliberately misleading to get meets!! | |||
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"Oh, and photos should have the date they were posted next to them. In fact, don't they have that already? Damn, we need to put up some newer pictures!!;)" And there you answer your own argument. Anything can happen in a couple of years. A person may gain a few stone, or split up with their partner and not exist anymore. Clearly I'm not suggesting this is true in your case. But for other profiles it is possible and there is no way to prove otherwise, without meeting in person. | |||
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"Veri's, badges and stars are worthless. Why would anyone believe a stranger that leaves a veri??! It's only true at that moment in time. The day after, the couple may have split and now just be a single person. The 'nice' bloke may be totally horrible when they meet you. Etc etc "I've said it before and I'll say it again: the thought of using what a total stranger says about another total stranger in deciding who I invite into my home and bed is totally ludicrous to me...don't get it at all! | |||
"Veri's, badges and stars are worthless. Why would anyone believe a stranger that leaves a veri??! It's only true at that moment in time. The day after, the couple may have split and now just be a single person. The 'nice' bloke may be totally horrible when they meet you. Etc etc
which is why one would meet at a social or a party at someone else's house first before inviting to your home or bed lolol has stood me in good stead all these years
have fun
I've said it before and I'll say it again: the thought of using what a total stranger says about another total stranger in deciding who I invite into my home and bed is totally ludicrous to me...don't get it at all! " | |||
"Veri's, badges and stars are worthless. Why would anyone believe a stranger that leaves a veri??! It's only true at that moment in time. The day after, the couple may have split and now just be a single person. The 'nice' bloke may be totally horrible when they meet you. Etc etc
I've said it before and I'll say it again: the thought of using what a total stranger says about another total stranger in deciding who I invite into my home and bed is totally ludicrous to me...don't get it at all! " | |||
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"Well, we have also got pretty good at spotting the fakes too. And the site is full of them and most of them have verifications, If you don't think they need changing, fine. But the system isn't fine, it's bullshit. One poster said, if it ain't broke don't fix it. It might not be broken, but it could certainly be better. But I guess that's the way we do things now, just putting up with flawed systems because change is too complicated. The level of apathy on this site is pathetic." If you are so good at spotting the fakes, why are you so irate about the veri system? P.s. you sound lovely and really friendly. | |||
"Well, we have also got pretty good at spotting the fakes too. And the site is full of them and most of them have verifications, If you don't think they need changing, fine. But the system isn't fine, it's bullshit. One poster said, if it ain't broke don't fix it. It might not be broken, but it could certainly be better. But I guess that's the way we do things now, just putting up with flawed systems because change is too complicated. The level of apathy on this site is pathetic." Well you come across as totally reasonable and not at all hung up on making this site change for you and you alone. 
This site's reputation is no better or worse than any other swinging/sex sites so that is a ludicrous statement. This site also has many many tools - filters, blocks, veris - to allow you to use the site the way you want. If you are getting lots of fakes then all I can think is that you havent used those tools correctly. Finally, maybe using common sense and social pre-meets is a better way of finding someone who will match your wants and needs, instead of berating the admin for not changing at your whim.
Perhaps the majority of the members here are happy with the site. Did you ever think of that? | |||
"Veri's, badges and stars are worthless. Why would anyone believe a stranger that leaves a veri??! It's only true at that moment in time. The day after, the couple may have split and now just be a single person. The 'nice' bloke may be totally horrible when they meet you. Etc etc
I've said it before and I'll say it again: the thought of using what a total stranger says about another total stranger in deciding who I invite into my home and bed is totally ludicrous to me...don't get it at all! "That's the most sensible statement in this thread. Totally agree. X | |||
"Well, we have also got pretty good at spotting the fakes too. And the site is full of them and most of them have verifications, If you don't think they need changing, fine. But the system isn't fine, it's bullshit. One poster said, if it ain't broke don't fix it. It might not be broken, but it could certainly be better. But I guess that's the way we do things now, just putting up with flawed systems because change is too complicated. The level of apathy on this site is pathetic." That's a bit heavy ! Perhaps you'd care to take over and put up the finances to make it perfect ??? Its mostly free and I've never had any issues. Just a bit of common sense and communication. You can't rely on other peoples verifivations , one of the fundamentally flawed things in today society is that people don't take responsibility anymore. See now you've got me all heavy and on a soapbox ! And I've got a meet with a guy with v v good veris xx | |||
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"Well, we have also got pretty good at spotting the fakes too. And the site is full of them and most of them have verifications, If you don't think they need changing, fine. But the system isn't fine, it's bullshit. One poster said, if it ain't broke don't fix it. It might not be broken, but it could certainly be better. But I guess that's the way we do things now, just putting up with flawed systems because change is too complicated. The level of apathy on this site is pathetic. If you are so good at spotting the fakes, why are you so irate about the veri system?" Like saying "If you're a good driver, why complain about pot holes". " P.s. you sound lovely and really friendly. "P.S. That's very kind of you. You sound like just the kind of person who we always want to meet. | |||
" Well you come across as totally reasonable and not at all hung up on making this site change for you and you alone.
"Considering the number of private messages we've had supporting the ideas we suggested, it's not just us alone who think we'd benefit. " This site's reputation is no better or worse than any other swinging/sex sites so that is a ludicrous statement. " You must be fucking kidding! This site has an appalling reputation for time wasters and fakes. We use this site and one other, and the other is far better. " This site also has many many tools - filters, blocks, veris - to allow you to use the site the way you want. If you are getting lots of fakes then all I can think is that you havent used those tools correctly. " Yeah, and that's the whole point we're trying to make if you'd actually read what we'd written rather than just launching into sarcasm. Because there are so many bullshit verifications, it means that blocking non-verified users is pointless. " Finally, maybe using common sense and social pre-meets is a better way of finding someone who will match your wants and needs, instead of berating the admin for not changing at your whim. " It honestly not a huge problem for us, but the point of this forum seemed to be to be able to make suggestions. Sadly, you seem so precious about the site that any constructive criticism makes you want to make a personal attack against us. Fortunately, we don't give a fuck about your opinion. " Perhaps the majority of the members here are happy with the site. Did you ever think of that?" Apparently we only think of ourselves, which is rich, coming from someone who has never had a conversation with us. Try a different site and see what they have to offer and how things can be better. There are some things this site does really well and other sites could learn from that. But the verifications are NOT one of those things. | |||
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"Sure, the Verification system, is not perfect. But, they are not Gospel, only a guide for you to use. Reading the Verifications of the people who are writing the Verifications, is well worth the effort. I host GB's and Party's at my home in Manchester, and fortunately, have only been let down/tricked once. It's not funny, standing in front of 8 or 10 guys, having to explain that the couple were Fakes. You just have to learn, and move on. _hechairman18 " This is all we're saying, it's not perfect. Things could be improved. Sadly, such a suggestion seems to get a minority of peoples' backs up. We used to really like Fabswingers, and were regularly site supporters. Things that weren't working too well got improved (like the chatrooms). But lately it doesn't seem to be getting improved, and the number of messages from 'couples' who have had a single verification on webcam, or from one person 3 years ago who apparently met them in person, has gone up dramatically. Yes, it doesn't take a genius to spot the fakes. We're lucky enough to have been doing it for a few years now. However, a new couple, who go into swinging without having the knowledge of what to look out for are soon going to become pretty disheartened when nobody turns up after all the planning and expectation for their first meet. Anyway, the few ignorant comments received from the arrogant minority which have just been attacking us rather than trying to be constructive, have beautifully highlighted why it would be nice to be able to block people who are just arse holes. | |||
"OP I sorta think u prepared for this from the outset..ie flames! all I see is the people who are considering themselves as successful stating they think the site is working..and that includes myself dont think it needs hostile responses" Try reading the replies again. | |||
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"If you are considering changes is it possible that verifications can be left on the profile with a suitable tag - ie User no longer on site. I get the feeling there are quite a few people who are sad to lose a meet verification because someone has left the site. Many thanks." There are two other sides to this though: 1. The people leaving the site would almost certainly not want their verification to remain, if they were asked if it should stay or go. 2. Verifications would be "staler" across the site and it would be harder for us to manage fake verfications. At heart, the site is about meeting and having fun, not collecting things on profiles. Admin x | |||
"If you are considering changes is it possible that verifications can be left on the profile with a suitable tag - ie User no longer on site. I get the feeling there are quite a few people who are sad to lose a meet verification because someone has left the site. Many thanks. There are two other sides to this though: 1. The people leaving the site would almost certainly not want their verification to remain, if they were asked if it should stay or go. 2. Verifications would be "staler" across the site and it would be harder for us to manage fake verfications. At heart, the site is about meeting and having fun, not collecting things on profiles. Admin x" Thanks admin for taking the time to reply x | |||
"We do think there is merit in giving users visibility on how recent the newest verification is. We will try and see if we can work this into the site. Don't be angry that not everyone agrees with you. The nature of any large site like fab is that any change will be opposed by some and often have unintended side effects that make people unhappy
Admin x"Thanks. Our anger is not that people don't agree with us. We consider the whole point of the forums to be to discuss and argue about things. What angers us is people who don't consider the points being made by others and just say, "We think it's fine, it's must be your problem!" We would greatly appreciate anything which makes the verification system a more useful tool, although we do appreciate that a lot of people may feel that they have something to lose. | |||
"If you are considering changes is it possible that verifications can be left on the profile with a suitable tag - ie User no longer on site. I get the feeling there are quite a few people who are sad to lose a meet verification because someone has left the site. Many thanks. There are two other sides to this though: 1. The people leaving the site would almost certainly not want their verification to remain, if they were asked if it should stay or go. 2. Verifications would be "staler" across the site and it would be harder for us to manage fake verfications. At heart, the site is about meeting and having fun, not collecting things on profiles. Admin x" Very good points. We can understand that nobody would want to lose verifications just because someone had left the site. The greater problem surely stems from 'fake' verifications. If someone had accepted a verification from someone who has turned out to be fake, should that person in turn also be flagged as fake? I guess it's tricky as the person receiving the verification could have met the verifier when they were a genuine couple, but had since split up. Personally it feels like the webcam verification needs to be moved to category and icon on it's own, so that people can get photo verified, webcam verified and verified by meeting in person. We agree that the site is not about just collecting things on your profile, but what has made sites like this useful is the ability to filter people out quickly and easily without having to read every profile and look at every picture. I would expect this to be especially important to single males of whom there are so many, that couples and single females want to be able to quickly identify those who have 'good references'! | |||
"If you are considering changes is it possible that verifications can be left on the profile with a suitable tag - ie User no longer on site. I get the feeling there are quite a few people who are sad to lose a meet verification because someone has left the site. Many thanks. There are two other sides to this though: 1. The people leaving the site would almost certainly not want their verification to remain, if they were asked if it should stay or go. 2. Verifications would be "staler" across the site and it would be harder for us to manage fake verfications. At heart, the site is about meeting and having fun, not collecting things on profiles. Admin x Very good points. We can understand that nobody would want to lose verifications just because someone had left the site. The greater problem surely stems from 'fake' verifications. If someone had accepted a verification from someone who has turned out to be fake, should that person in turn also be flagged as fake? I guess it's tricky as the person receiving the verification could have met the verifier when they were a genuine couple, but had since split up. Personally it feels like the webcam verification needs to be moved to category and icon on it's own, so that people can get photo verified, webcam verified and verified by meeting in person. We agree that the site is not about just collecting things on your profile, but what has made sites like this useful is the ability to filter people out quickly and easily without having to read every profile and look at every picture. I would expect this to be especially important to single males of whom there are so many, that couples and single females want to be able to quickly identify those who have 'good references'!" Agree that meet veris are more important to most folk. This was one of the reasons we removed veri by phone. Don't forget that you can search for users who have meet verifications using the new search page
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