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"Of course your decision is your own but for this very reason I asked the admins to change my profile to “woman” and they were very helpful in getting it done. Unfortunately, whilst there is a lot of support here I do think that the distinction is lost on the majority of members " Completely and it’s strange to me ? Cause there is no confusion in dom or sub etc people can grasp them terms straight away right ? This topic has been floating around awhile they should take notice | |||
"Its unfortunate that I have to be under the same bracket as cross dressers and transvestites. Can we not have a separate category for us. Seems unfair that we are branded as men in wigs " I totally agree. This has been discussed for many years on here, but nothing has ever been done to correct it. | |||
"Its unfortunate that I have to be under the same bracket as cross dressers and transvestites. Can we not have a separate category for us. Seems unfair that we are branded as men in wigs " It's a bit rude to refer to transvestites and cross dressers as men in wigs. | |||
"Its unfortunate that I have to be under the same bracket as cross dressers and transvestites. Can we not have a separate category for us. Seems unfair that we are branded as men in wigs It's a bit rude to refer to transvestites and cross dressers as men in wigs. " How about men in bras...  | |||
"Its unfortunate that I have to be under the same bracket as cross dressers and transvestites. Can we not have a separate category for us. Seems unfair that we are branded as men in wigs " this, old old, question being asked, again. And, again I say why do you want to dissect what is a minority group anyway. This, could open up a whole can of worms here especially in these times of gender neutral and all the different categories that fall in that scenario.Do you feel superior or something. What makes a TG any more different to a TS, TV or CD.Do it for one set and, you will then have to create groups for others. We, are all individuals here. Stop whinging. Learn to accept where and what you are, learn to embrace life. Referring to us, all as men in wigs is a disgrace. I would take great offence at that. Some of us want to look feminine and do everything that way. Some like me choose not to have the operation to fully change. I will go and do whatever I please this way. In my mind I am female and most of my friends see me this way There, has been one, category for the likes of us since fab was set up and it's worked perfectly fine. It's simple, explain fully what you are, and what you are about. If the, thickies, out there then can't tell the difference that's, their problem not yours. To be honest posts like this are so repetitive and boring | |||
"Its unfortunate that I have to be under the same bracket as cross dressers and transvestites. Can we not have a separate category for us. Seems unfair that we are branded as men in wigs this, old old, question being asked, again. And, again I say why do you want to dissect what is a minority group anyway. This, could open up a whole can of worms here especially in these times of gender neutral and all the different categories that fall in that scenario.Do you feel superior or something. What makes a TG any more different to a TS, TV or CD.Do it for one set and, you will then have to create groups for others. We, are all individuals here. Stop whinging. Learn to accept where and what you are, learn to embrace life. Referring to us, all as men in wigs is a disgrace. I would take great offence at that. Some of us want to look feminine and do everything that way. Some like me choose not to have the operation to fully change. I will go and do whatever I please this way. In my mind I am female and most of my friends see me this way There, has been one, category for the likes of us since fab was set up and it's worked perfectly fine. It's simple, explain fully what you are, and what you are about. If the, thickies, out there then can't tell the difference that's, their problem not yours. To be honest posts like this are so repetitive and boring " Bloody awesome reply!!!  | |||
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"how many new categories are we going to end up with ? men who have transitioned to women, women who have transitioned to men , just started ,not fully transitioned, I cross dress but never wear a wig so don't fit your definition of a TV " With the greatest of respect, I feel that you have inadvertently proved the point but not the one you hoped to. You are absolutely your own person and own your own journey but can you not see that yours and mine (and OP’s) are at the very opposite ends of the T spectrum and grouping us together is not fair or true to either of us? | |||
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"I’m sorry stace, but I find your reply so infuriatingly condescending. No one has suggested that they are superior just that the journey of a full time trans woman is fundamentally different from that of a part time cross dresser. May I suggest that if you somehow are feeling inferior it’s not because anyone has suggested that they are superior but because of an issue of your own? You are absolutely correct in that we are all individuals here and yet you say that someone should “stop whinging” and insinuate that the op has not learnt to accept who they are. That is the most incredibly condescending thing I have ever heard and to hear it from another within the T community leaves me dumb founded. Your journey is your own, it’s no worse and no better then mine or the OP’s but it is a different journey which results in differing needs from a place like this. And suggesting that just because things have always been one way that we should accept it? Well without being rude, the trans community would not be in the place it is now if we don’t evolve and try to educate and push for change. Finally, I’m sorry you find this repetitive and boring but change doesn’t happen because people are bored of the topic. How would you feel if I now told you to “stop whinging” and accept it ?" I don't agree with everything that Stace said either but the OP's statement that anyone that isn't transitioning/transitioned is just a "man in a wig" is incredibly condescending and something I personally find very hurtful. Living the life I do and the way I feel emotionally for any person to refer to me as a "man" is painful. But then I've learned to live with the "hierarchy" for years. | |||
"I don't agree with everything that Stace said either but the OP's statement that anyone that isn't transitioning/transitioned is just a "man in a wig" is incredibly condescending and something I personally find very hurtful. Living the life I do and the way I feel emotionally for any person to refer to me as a "man" is painful. But then I've learned to live with the "hierarchy" for years. " I may have misunderstood but I don’t believe that OP at all suggested that she believed non transitioning people were men in wigs but rather she had been on the receiving end of that ugly remark? I have never understood this notion of a heirachy. As I say everyone is on the own journeys and each is as valid as the other but they are different and shouldn’t be lumped together. | |||
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"At the end of the day Fabswingers is designed for swinging couples, not individuals. I'm just happy to do my thing and not moan and whinge like an aging snowflake x" I’m sorry, I can’t remember seeing as mission statement from the owners saying that this site isn’t meant for individuals? And just to be clear so that there are no misunderstandings, are you saying that anyone here is an ageing snowflake? | |||
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"You would think that with technology today that administration and the sight owners would be able to do that for transsexual females on here cos there’s a huge different between a cds and tvs besides a transsexual female is stunning in there own way the ones I’ve met are simply the best lol "Think you've been watching too much "she male" porn  | |||
"I don't agree with everything that Stace said either but the OP's statement that anyone that isn't transitioning/transitioned is just a "man in a wig" is incredibly condescending and something I personally find very hurtful. Living the life I do and the way I feel emotionally for any person to refer to me as a "man" is painful. But then I've learned to live with the "hierarchy" for years. I may have misunderstood but I don’t believe that OP at all suggested that she believed non transitioning people were men in wigs but rather she had been on the receiving end of that ugly remark? I have never understood this notion of a heirachy. As I say everyone is on the own journeys and each is as valid as the other but they are different and shouldn’t be lumped together. " You might be wrong. You might be right. There is a trans spectrum as you know and referring to anyone not transgender as a "man in a wig" is as insulting as a "cock in a frock", actually its worse. I'm very active in the trans scene and come across this type of prejudice a lot. | |||
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"Its unfortunate that I have to be under the same bracket as cross dressers and transvestites. Can we not have a separate category for us. Seems unfair that we are branded as men in wigs " I understand where you are coming from with this, especially has you have the following categories which have been described to me by plenty of my admirers: Hpw's (hairy panty wearers), those who wear only lingerie and most likely still hairy including facial hair. Cross Dressers, those who fully dress but without wig etc and some still hairy. Transvestites, those who fully dress with wig, don't go out in public. Tgirls, those who fully dress complete with make up and hair etc and go out in public no problem to the shops, clubs, bars, venues etc. But these haven't fully transitioned yet for whatever reasons they have, be it lack of money, work or family issues. Transsexuals, whose who fully transitioned with everything. She-males, term normally used in the porn industry for transsexuals. Ladyboys, term used to transsexuals born in the Far East such as Thailand, Japan etc. But I do take offence to the "men in wigs" bit, some would class that as being transphobic, there's enough transphibic attacks on the trans scene from others within the lgbt scene but I didn't think I would see it from a ts. I was on another site for gay, bi men and tv's and ts's, but I recieved so much transphobic attacks and abuse from the gay guys, that I chose to leave as the site admin did nothing even after I reported the comments, the emails and also reported the persons. I for my own reason, cannot afford the £20,000 for a sex change, therefore I won't be able to fully transition, but I am still happy where I am in my life as Samantha, and I can go out in whatever outfit, feel good about myself, get compliments from guys and girls when in a club or bar etc, or even if I'm walking along the road, I get cars tooting their horns, guys saying hi babes etc, it makes me feel fantastic, that I've achieved the look I desire, despite what is actually in my knickers etc. | |||
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"how many new categories are we going to end up with ? men who have transitioned to women, women who have transitioned to men , just started ,not fully transitioned, I cross dress but never wear a wig so don't fit your definition of a TV With the greatest of respect, I feel that you have inadvertently proved the point but not the one you hoped to. You are absolutely your own person and own your own journey but can you not see that yours and mine (and OP’s) are at the very opposite ends of the T spectrum and grouping us together is not fair or true to either of us? " 100% correct | |||
"Im sorry but your opinion is totally invalid. Do you know what goes into being a ts. Lots of medication and surgery. The difference between the cd/tv and a trans woman is we don't go back to living as men we live our lives daily as female. Its not about being superior at all. Your sexual drive compared to a trans woman Is totally different we suppress our testosterone levels through medication." How can the opinion be invalid, that is total nonsense | |||
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"I just use female as im almost 38yrs post-op and not comfortable with trans admirers anyway. I find them to be so damn naive on the subject and have no clue how to treat and interact with a post-ops right." and congrats MissInnerEnigma x | |||
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"Of course your decision is your own but for this very reason I asked the admins to change my profile to “woman” and they were very helpful in getting it done. Unfortunately, whilst there is a lot of support here I do think that the distinction is lost on the majority of members " | |||
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"Im sorry but your opinion is totally invalid. Do you know what goes into being a ts. Lots of medication and surgery. The difference between the cd/tv and a trans woman is we don't go back to living as men we live our lives daily as female. Its not about being superior at all. Your sexual drive compared to a trans woman Is totally different we suppress our testosterone levels through medication." yes I do know. I'm not stupid. And by the way I live my life fully as a woman. I don't need any medication or anythi. G else to a, female. I've come across this all my life from people who fully transition and then think they need something to make them stand out more.it doesn't wash with me. People, are, quite, happy to share, this category on here then demand their own little corner all to. Dthemselves. That attitude stinks If you are a, female then you are a female nothing else You chose your route and paid money to transition fully and I chose my route. There isn't a great deal of difference between us really Do not tell me that my opinion is invalid at all. That just shows you cannot accept criticism and you do think you are something special. | |||
"I’m sorry stace, but I find your reply so infuriatingly condescending. No one has suggested that they are superior just that the journey of a full time trans woman is fundamentally different from that of a part time cross dresser. May I suggest that if you somehow are feeling inferior it’s not because anyone has suggested that they are superior but because of an issue of your own? You are absolutely correct in that we are all individuals here and yet you say that someone should “stop whinging” and insinuate that the op has not learnt to accept who they are. That is the most incredibly condescending thing I have ever heard and to hear it from another within the T community leaves me dumb founded. Your journey is your own, it’s no worse and no better then mine or the OP’s but it is a different journey which results in differing needs from a place like this. And suggesting that just because things have always been one way that we should accept it? Well without being rude, the trans community would not be in the place it is now if we don’t evolve and try to educate and push for change. Finally, I’m sorry you find this repetitive and boring but change doesn’t happen because people are bored of the topic. How would you feel if I now told you to “stop whinging” and accept it ?" I do not whinge. I accept what I am It's, a pity others can't. What are they after some, kind of special recognition If they want to have the op that's fine I have no qualms,about that, at all. I have had this, all my life from ones who do fully change and for your information most do feel superior to your average tv or cd. I won't ever accept this attitude.. Just because they want to take it a step further does not merit them having a special group. We are, all here to have fun. These, posts are ridiculous. | |||
"Trouble is where do catergorgies stop? 1 for tall people 1 for short 1 for dark people 1 for blonde 1 for old people 1 for young people etc?Most transgender people i now use tv chix as the serious side of things and fab for a totally different reason so lets all respect each other for whatever reasons and live and let live "exactly | |||
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"Im sorry but your opinion is totally invalid. Do you know what goes into being a ts. Lots of medication and surgery. The difference between the cd/tv and a trans woman is we don't go back to living as men we live our lives daily as female. Its not about being superior at all. Your sexual drive compared to a trans woman Is totally different we suppress our testosterone levels through medication." I see their opinion as invalid too. It's the kind of reply i would expect for someone like them. I corrected my mind and body mismatch almost 4 decades ago in my teens. After surviving so called cure treatments as a child in the 1970's. I jokingly refer to myself as a none dresser ! it was never about the clothes i wear for me. I'm happiest when naked not having to live up to other peoples misconceptions and expectations of what a Transsexual is. I know what turns me on, it a nice honest handsome man with a good heart not the clothes i wear or trying to portray other woman as sluts and whores. As many TV/CVD do. | |||
"Its unfortunate that I have to be under the same bracket as cross dressers and transvestites. Can we not have a separate category for us. Seems unfair that we are branded as men in wigs " I am a woman, and fortunate to have been born with genitalia that matches my understanding of who I am. (I say fortunate because I have never had the need to prove it). A trans woman IS a woman. Regardless of whether she has been able to physically or hormonally alter any aspects of herself or not. A man who simply enjoys dressing as a woman is not--he is a man who dresses as a woman at times, then returns to being a man. There is nothing at all wrong with it, but if you don't identify as a woman, you are not one. OP, do you believe there is a difference between a cis woman and a trans woman? If so, why? If not, why not simply declare yourself here as a woman (and explain in profile you are trans, in order to avoid the haters)? | |||
"But I've just seen you videos on your profile, and it's transsexuals like you who give us other transgendered girls a bad name, by your little signs saying "better than your girl", that's one thing real women hate about the transgendered women, is that the ones who say they are better than women, because they say they know how to give better blow jobs and take anal so easily, some might say you are being sexist. " this  | |||
"Its unfortunate that I have to be under the same bracket as cross dressers and transvestites. Can we not have a separate category for us. Seems unfair that we are branded as men in wigs I am a woman, and fortunate to have been born with genitalia that matches my understanding of who I am. (I say fortunate because I have never had the need to prove it). A trans woman IS a woman. Regardless of whether she has been able to physically or hormonally alter any aspects of herself or not. A man who simply enjoys dressing as a woman is not--he is a man who dresses as a woman at times, then returns to being a man. There is nothing at all wrong with it, but if you don't identify as a woman, you are not one. OP, do you believe there is a difference between a cis woman and a trans woman? If so, why? If not, why not simply declare yourself here as a woman (and explain in profile you are trans, in order to avoid the haters)?" This exactly | |||
"But I've just seen you videos on your profile, and it's transsexuals like you who give us other transgendered girls a bad name, by your little signs saying "better than your girl", that's one thing real women hate about the transgendered women, is that the ones who say they are better than women, because they say they know how to give better blow jobs and take anal so easily, some might say you are being sexist. " Well said. I totally agree with this. I’ve seen this many times on profiles. It’s not a competition and I dare say if it was the opposite way around there’d be an uproar from certain gurls. And before anyone jumps on my case, my partner is a TV so no ulterior motive! Miss V | |||
"I don't agree with everything that Stace said either but the OP's statement that anyone that isn't transitioning/transitioned is just a "man in a wig" is incredibly condescending and something I personally find very hurtful. Living the life I do and the way I feel emotionally for any person to refer to me as a "man" is painful. But then I've learned to live with the "hierarchy" for years. I may have misunderstood but I don’t believe that OP at all suggested that she believed non transitioning people were men in wigs but rather she had been on the receiving end of that ugly remark? I have never understood this notion of a heirachy. As I say everyone is on the own journeys and each is as valid as the other but they are different and shouldn’t be lumped together. You might be wrong. You might be right. There is a trans spectrum as you know and referring to anyone not transgender as a "man in a wig" is as insulting as a "cock in a frock", actually its worse. I'm very active in the trans scene and come across this type of prejudice a lot. " well said Lisa | |||
"Im sorry but your opinion is totally invalid. Do you know what goes into being a ts. Lots of medication and surgery. The difference between the cd/tv and a trans woman is we don't go back to living as men we live our lives daily as female. Its not about being superior at all. Your sexual drive compared to a trans woman Is totally different we suppress our testosterone levels through medication. I see their opinion as invalid too. It's the kind of reply i would expect for someone like them. I corrected my mind and body mismatch almost 4 decades ago in my teens. After surviving so called cure treatments as a child in the 1970's. I jokingly refer to myself as a none dresser ! it was never about the clothes i wear for me. I'm happiest when naked not having to live up to other peoples misconceptions and expectations of what a Transsexual is. I know what turns me on, it a nice honest handsome man with a good heart not the clothes i wear or trying to portray other woman as sluts and whores. As many TV/CVD do. " I beg your pardon .. Someone like, who I dress, 24/7this way I go all over dressed I wear all sorts of clothes What I do I do for me Do not put a label one My opinion is not invalid. do not start with this sort of attitude The op started this post not me Surely she would have expected some kind of response like mine if she did it deliberately, if not then she was extremely naive I have always been happy to share the category with any tv cd ts or tg It has worked well all these years Then along comes one with a little bee in their bonnet trying to stir it up If you want to be identified as a female then that's fine but come on saying I'm special I'm trans gender The category suits you when it suits, you ie. pre op but then afterwards you want something in your divine right. You forget we all started out the same way. Some just go further than others | |||
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"I’ve just reread all the comments on here and I always read the many threads that deal with this complex subject. No wonder the majority of people get totally confused with the different categories and are unsure as to what they mean. You can’t agree on it yourselves! As usual these threads descend into bickering between you all as to who has the right to call themselves what! Where’s the empathy and support for each other? There are the usual voices of reason on here, just wish others would learn from them! Miss V " | |||
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"Im sorry but your opinion is totally invalid. Do you know what goes into being a ts. Lots of medication and surgery. The difference between the cd/tv and a trans woman is we don't go back to living as men we live our lives daily as female. Its not about being superior at all. Your sexual drive compared to a trans woman Is totally different we suppress our testosterone levels through medication. I see their opinion as invalid too. It's the kind of reply i would expect for someone like them. I corrected my mind and body mismatch almost 4 decades ago in my teens. After surviving so called cure treatments as a child in the 1970's. I jokingly refer to myself as a none dresser ! it was never about the clothes i wear for me. I'm happiest when naked not having to live up to other peoples misconceptions and expectations of what a Transsexual is. I know what turns me on, it a nice honest handsome man with a good heart not the clothes i wear or trying to portray other woman as sluts and whores. As many TV/CVD do. I beg your pardon .. Someone like, who I dress, 24/7this way I go all over dressed I wear all sorts of clothes What I do I do for me Do not put a label one My opinion is not invalid. do not start with this sort of attitude The op started this post not me Surely she would have expected some kind of response like mine if she did it deliberately, if not then she was extremely naive I have always been happy to share the category with any tv cd ts or tg It has worked well all these years Then along comes one with a little bee in their bonnet trying to stir it up If you want to be identified as a female then that's fine but come on saying I'm special I'm trans gender The category suits you when it suits, you ie. pre op but then afterwards you want something in your divine right. You forget we all started out the same way. Some just go further than others " No time for your naivety. You do your thing. I corrected my issue. We are nowhere near the same not even in the same postcode | |||
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"Of course there is a difference between a trans woman and a born one. Born females have periods, pmt, carry babies for nine months, give birth, have wombs, these are biological facts. You can undergo countless procedures and hormones but you are the sex you are born, and this is biological fact. Your skeleton and dna etc are the same. It's impossible in reality to change sex. You can live as the opposite sex etc, and modify your body to suit your needs, no problem, and I myself feel my soul is feminine in a male body. But no matter what you wish your sex isdetermined at conception. Be proud to be trans and under the trans family, its what we actually are, like the hijra in India, ladyboys in Thailand. We are trans, women, and should be proud of our identity, which is unique and special and not pretend we are the same as a born female or vice versa. You are a femenine soul in a male body and vice versa, it does not benefit our quest for acceptance and equality by ignoring facts of biology,and stiffening free speech and debate. " Not all cis-women menstruate and not all cis-women can carry babies. Does that make them less of a woman? And yes we should fight for acceptance. And we are nothing like ladyboys. And your knowledge of biology needs updating I'm sorry to say. | |||
"I’m sorry stace, but I find your reply so infuriatingly condescending. No one has suggested that they are superior just that the journey of a full time trans woman is fundamentally different from that of a part time cross dresser. May I suggest that if you somehow are feeling inferior it’s not because anyone has suggested that they are superior but because of an issue of your own? You are absolutely correct in that we are all individuals here and yet you say that someone should “stop whinging” and insinuate that the op has not learnt to accept who they are. That is the most incredibly condescending thing I have ever heard and to hear it from another within the T community leaves me dumb founded. Your journey is your own, it’s no worse and no better then mine or the OP’s but it is a different journey which results in differing needs from a place like this. And suggesting that just because things have always been one way that we should accept it? Well without being rude, the trans community would not be in the place it is now if we don’t evolve and try to educate and push for change. Finally, I’m sorry you find this repetitive and boring but change doesn’t happen because people are bored of the topic. How would you feel if I now told you to “stop whinging” and accept it ?" What a fantastic and 100% correct retort! I shuddered when I read the words of this IMHO imbocile and for me a person who should know way better. I'm all for free speech and respectful opinions good and bad l but theres stupidity and then there's utter shite! | |||
"I’m sorry stace, but I find your reply so infuriatingly condescending. No one has suggested that they are superior just that the journey of a full time trans woman is fundamentally different from that of a part time cross dresser. May I suggest that if you somehow are feeling inferior it’s not because anyone has suggested that they are superior but because of an issue of your own? You are absolutely correct in that we are all individuals here and yet you say that someone should “stop whinging” and insinuate that the op has not learnt to accept who they are. That is the most incredibly condescending thing I have ever heard and to hear it from another within the T community leaves me dumb founded. Your journey is your own, it’s no worse and no better then mine or the OP’s but it is a different journey which results in differing needs from a place like this. And suggesting that just because things have always been one way that we should accept it? Well without being rude, the trans community would not be in the place it is now if we don’t evolve and try to educate and push for change. Finally, I’m sorry you find this repetitive and boring but change doesn’t happen because people are bored of the topic. How would you feel if I now told you to “stop whinging” and accept it ? What a fantastic and 100% correct retort! I shuddered when I read the words of this IMHO imbocile and for me a person who should know way better. I'm all for free speech and respectful opinions good and bad l but theres stupidity and then there's utter shite! " +1 Those that say 'it's been working up til now' it hasn't for everyone. And this conversation crops up time and again, and tbh I think there should be change. If a sex psitiive and open community can change to accommodate the needs of its own then what's the point of havingsa community in the first place.. There's no judgement but a trans woman and a transvestite are different, in so many ways but in their definition they are different do lumping them together is unfair. In the same was you don't have straight or not straight you have bi curious bi and gay etc. It's not as binary as male/female /tstv and shouldn't be treated as such | |||
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"... Sadly I have noticed that with men... turn to cross dressing and... get a discount in clubs... " Really?!! Every day's a school day! | |||
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"I agree there should be a separate section. Sadly I have noticed that with men being the majority and not getting as much play they turn to cross dressing and also as girls get a discount in clubs... obviously this is probably a minority but it is abused and exploited and I can understand why if you have put your heart and soul into your identity be it a fully transgender either sex or full time/ all effort transsexual or cross dresser this would be offensive. And again just for a play point of view it should be separated because it is two separate groups. Some might play with one group but not the other. Just my two pence, hope they listen. It’s about identity and preferences that should be taken seriously " Sorry, are you actually saying that males will cross dress in order to pay less to get into a club?? Also to get more play? On what evidence is this based? In all my time involved with the trans community I have never witnessed this. Miss V | |||
"I agree there should be a separate section. Sadly I have noticed that with men being the majority and not getting as much play they turn to cross dressing and also as girls get a discount in clubs... obviously this is probably a minority but it is abused and exploited and I can understand why if you have put your heart and soul into your identity be it a fully transgender either sex or full time/ all effort transsexual or cross dresser this would be offensive. And again just for a play point of view it should be separated because it is two separate groups. Some might play with one group but not the other. Just my two pence, hope they listen. It’s about identity and preferences that should be taken seriously " Please dont say you genuinely actually think that. And if you think men crossdress to get more attention from women you are actually deluded. | |||
"I agree there should be a separate section. Sadly I have noticed that with men being the majority and not getting as much play they turn to cross dressing and also as girls get a discount in clubs... obviously this is probably a minority but it is abused and exploited and I can understand why if you have put your heart and soul into your identity be it a fully transgender either sex or full time/ all effort transsexual or cross dresser this would be offensive. And again just for a play point of view it should be separated because it is two separate groups. Some might play with one group but not the other. Just my two pence, hope they listen. It’s about identity and preferences that should be taken seriously Please dont say you genuinely actually think that. And if you think men crossdress to get more attention from women you are actually deluded." Some men dress for sex, be it with trans girls, other men or to satisfy a lesbian fantasy. | |||
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"Men who cross dress, encompass a variety of people, but no one would do it to access a club for a cheap ticket. And it certainly won't enhance your chances of a leg over with a woman. As for the transsexuals who think they are above people who cross dress, remember you started as cross dressers, and are as male as we are. No amount of hormones will charge this biological fact. You have a penis at birth, you are a male. You have xy chromosomes you are a male. It's biological fact, we may not like it but it's reality. Get off your high horse and face facts. All hormone therapy does is femenise a male body, and surgery is purely cosmetic. We are all in the same situation, but some of us are realistic about our situation, and don't bully people for a different opinion. No amount of surgery or hormones will make you any more of a woman than I am. You have to be born one. It is biological fact. And boorish behavior to curtail debate proves my point. We are transgender face reality, have you ever seen a transsexual in a maternity ward, giving birth? No, I have seen loads of women give birth, and have assisted in it, it is a miracle, and is a very emotional experience to see take place. We are trans, and should be proud to be what we are, but we are not the equivalent of biological women, it's just reality. People claiming we are equal to biolical women are deluded, because we are not. And all it does is create animosity from biological females,who we would really like as our allies,as feminine beings. . " You.... haven’t got a bloody clue. What crock of shite ! This is what is classed as transphobic  | |||
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"Men who cross dress, encompass a variety of people, but no one would do it to access a club for a cheap ticket. And it certainly won't enhance your chances of a leg over with a woman. As for the transsexuals who think they are above people who cross dress, remember you started as cross dressers, and are as male as we are. No amount of hormones will charge this biological fact. You have a penis at birth, you are a male. You have xy chromosomes you are a male. It's biological fact, we may not like it but it's reality. Get off your high horse and face facts. All hormone therapy does is femenise a male body, and surgery is purely cosmetic. We are all in the same situation, but some of us are realistic about our situation, and don't bully people for a different opinion. No amount of surgery or hormones will make you any more of a woman than I am. You have to be born one. It is biological fact. And boorish behavior to curtail debate proves my point. We are transgender face reality, have you ever seen a transsexual in a maternity ward, giving birth? No, I have seen loads of women give birth, and have assisted in it, it is a miracle, and is a very emotional experience to see take place. We are trans, and should be proud to be what we are, but we are not the equivalent of biological women, it's just reality. People claiming we are equal to biolical women are deluded, because we are not. And all it does is create animosity from biological females,who we would really like as our allies,as feminine beings. . You.... haven’t got a bloody clue. What crock of shite ! This is what is classed as transphobic "Interesting that you somehow think another Tv is being transphobic. Would that not like be the same as trying to call an openly gay man a homophobe? I personally agree with parts of her opinion, am i somehow Transphobic? | |||
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"Men who cross dress, encompass a variety of people, but no one would do it to access a club for a cheap ticket. And it certainly won't enhance your chances of a leg over with a woman. As for the transsexuals who think they are above people who cross dress, remember you started as cross dressers, and are as male as we are. No amount of hormones will charge this biological fact. You have a penis at birth, you are a male. You have xy chromosomes you are a male. It's biological fact, we may not like it but it's reality. Get off your high horse and face facts. All hormone therapy does is femenise a male body, and surgery is purely cosmetic. We are all in the same situation, but some of us are realistic about our situation, and don't bully people for a different opinion. No amount of surgery or hormones will make you any more of a woman than I am. You have to be born one. It is biological fact. And boorish behavior to curtail debate proves my point. We are transgender face reality, have you ever seen a transsexual in a maternity ward, giving birth? No, I have seen loads of women give birth, and have assisted in it, it is a miracle, and is a very emotional experience to see take place. We are trans, and should be proud to be what we are, but we are not the equivalent of biological women, it's just reality. People claiming we are equal to biolical women are deluded, because we are not. And all it does is create animosity from biological females,who we would really like as our allies,as feminine beings. . You.... haven’t got a bloody clue. What crock of shite ! This is what is classed as transphobic " | |||
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"Its unfortunate that I have to be under the same bracket as cross dressers and transvestites. Can we not have a separate category for us. Seems unfair that we are branded as men in wigs " Oh my god princess... learn to have a little dignity. If you identify as a women, change yourself to woman and caveat your trans heritage in your profile overview. I can tell you what is unfair; your choice of terminology at a huge section of the trans community who include many people who have protested, taken abuse, got assaulted to earn you the rights that have allowed you to transition. For many of them due to age they undertook that struggle for those who came after them. Add to that those on their journey, those behind you on progression who may or may not end up post op... sorry, they aren’t some kind of underling. 2 facts I can tell you: 1) adopting some kind of bitchy persona snearing at others is one of the most horribly masculine traits that exists in the trans community. 2) Us - where do you have the right to draw the line? Transgendered is a mindset not a physical state, it always has been. | |||
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"Its unfortunate that I have to be under the same bracket as cross dressers and transvestites. Can we not have a separate category for us. Seems unfair that we are branded as men in wigs Oh my god princess... learn to have a little dignity. If you identify as a women, change yourself to woman and caveat your trans heritage in your profile overview. I can tell you what is unfair; your choice of terminology at a huge section of the trans community who include many people who have protested, taken abuse, got assaulted to earn you the rights that have allowed you to transition. For many of them due to age they undertook that struggle for those who came after them. Add to that those on their journey, those behind you on progression who may or may not end up post op... sorry, they aren’t some kind of underling. 2 facts I can tell you: 1) adopting some kind of bitchy persona snearing at others is one of the most horribly masculine traits that exists in the trans community. 2) Us - where do you have the right to draw the line? Transgendered is a mindset not a physical state, it always has been." well said | |||
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"This has bothered me so much I emailed fab asking for a distinction between trans women, tv, cd etc... in the search fully expecting a reply or a reasoning why they don't and nothing not a peep, Unfortunately. I dont want to see Steve in his wife's knickers " well usually the Steve's in the wife's knickers are not ts TV or cd they usually get labelled HPW s , just look at the pics and read a profile , it's not difficult | |||
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"This has bothered me so much I emailed fab asking for a distinction between trans women, tv, cd etc... in the search fully expecting a reply or a reasoning why they don't and nothing not a peep, Unfortunately. I dont want to see Steve in his wife's knickers well usually the Steve's in the wife's knickers are not ts TV or cd they usually get labelled HPW s , just look at the pics and read a profile , it's not difficult But the point remains you can't search for trans women without being tied into the same group as HPWs I have no problem if people are into that I'd rather just be able search in separate searches that's all." and I'd like only men 6ft and taller to pop up in my searches so I understand what you want and mean but I wouldn't hold ur breath for any changes , this old chestnut has been doing the weekly rounds for years | |||
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"The differing opinions on this thread are so interesting - especially for someone who is completely clueless about this lifestyle." Welcome to the wonderful world of trans my friend! What’s rarely mentioned is the entire birth of the LGBT movement was lead by a small group of American trans girls... we where the pioneers of gay rights... Fast forward a number of decades and as a group we are the last taboo, the runt of the LGBT family. For me, the differing views, standpoints, bitchiness, name calling etc probably highlights why... a little bit more PRIDE, positive engagement with those who don’t understand and a whole lot less bitching about our internal groupings, the need for our own tag within a tag etc and we might enjoy a far better level of acceptance and integration today. OP, I think visually you are stunning, kudos... in truth though the attitude I find really disappointing. you are obviously a woman who could be such a positive influence within and outside the trans community. I’m gutted that you choose such a ugly manner of voicing yourself with so little regard for others feelings, confidence etc. Girls: can we not all drop the HPW, Steve stuff etc... seriously, that’s a person, regardless of whether they are trans or not they have feelings. What your doing is being that c&nt in the playground poking fun at “the ugly kid” with perhaps an impact they’ll never recover from. Be kind people... #charliputssoapboxaway | |||
"We're all more than capable of reading a profile and looking at pictures to find out what particular label someone prefers to be known as. To add several different categories would just make everything far too complicated. Personally, if i see a profile of someone that I find attractive, it really doesn't bother me whether they identify as TV, TS, CD, Femboi, TG, Trans, Hatstand, Dinosaur, Male, Female, Non-binary etc. etc. etc. Lets just be nice to each other and not get hung up on who's got what in their knickers and what they prefer to call it. "Hallelujah - the concept of loving beautiful people period! Sign me up & well said xxx | |||
"The differing opinions on this thread are so interesting - especially for someone who is completely clueless about this lifestyle. Welcome to the wonderful world of trans my friend! What’s rarely mentioned is the entire birth of the LGBT movement was lead by a small group of American trans girls... we where the pioneers of gay rights... Fast forward a number of decades and as a group we are the last taboo, the runt of the LGBT family. For me, the differing views, standpoints, bitchiness, name calling etc probably highlights why... a little bit more PRIDE, positive engagement with those who don’t understand and a whole lot less bitching about our internal groupings, the need for our own tag within a tag etc and we might enjoy a far better level of acceptance and integration today. OP, I think visually you are stunning, kudos... in truth though the attitude I find really disappointing. you are obviously a woman who could be such a positive influence within and outside the trans community. I’m gutted that you choose such a ugly manner of voicing yourself with so little regard for others feelings, confidence etc. Girls: can we not all drop the HPW, Steve stuff etc... seriously, that’s a person, regardless of whether they are trans or not they have feelings. What your doing is being that c&nt in the playground poking fun at “the ugly kid” with perhaps an impact they’ll never recover from. Be kind people... #charliputssoapboxaway" Well said | |||
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"I want to continue my support for this. With a heavy heart I have to block TS/TVs from messaging me because I was recieving alot of messages from overweight hairy middle age men in their wife's underwear. I personally would love to hear from an actual TS and I think it's so unfair they are categorised alongside Crossdresser's as the two are not even remotely similar Time fab kept up with the times and made a change " The problem is believe it or not... trans women aren’t created on a switch... Also from what you’re saying it’s a visual judgement on your part. In reality it’s a bit like saying I want to meet a black lady but only one of those lighter coloured ones... it’s a bit outrageous tbh. | |||
"I want to continue my support for this. With a heavy heart I have to block TS/TVs from messaging me because I was recieving alot of messages from overweight hairy middle age men in their wife's underwear. I personally would love to hear from an actual TS and I think it's so unfair they are categorised alongside Crossdresser's as the two are not even remotely similar Time fab kept up with the times and made a change " An "actual TS", I'd love to hear your definition of what one of those is? | |||
"Of course your decision is your own but for this very reason I asked the admins to change my profile to “woman” and they were very helpful in getting it done. Unfortunately, whilst there is a lot of support here I do think that the distinction is lost on the majority of members " This is purely out of interest and in now way meant to offend... I’m assuming you were a man, now a woman and fab have changed your account from a male to female account? I’ve just read your profile and noticed that nowhere does it state that you are transgender. Do you not tell people you are meeting that that’s what you have done? It just seems to me that it would be one of the first things I would put on my profile. | |||
"Of course your decision is your own but for this very reason I asked the admins to change my profile to “woman” and they were very helpful in getting it done. Unfortunately, whilst there is a lot of support here I do think that the distinction is lost on the majority of members This is purely out of interest and in now way meant to offend... I’m assuming you were a man, now a woman and fab have changed your account from a male to female account? I’ve just read your profile and noticed that nowhere does it state that you are transgender. Do you not tell people you are meeting that that’s what you have done? It just seems to me that it would be one of the first things I would put on my profile. " Don't understand why she would need to do that necessarily. She is a woman now. | |||
"Of course your decision is your own but for this very reason I asked the admins to change my profile to “woman” and they were very helpful in getting it done. Unfortunately, whilst there is a lot of support here I do think that the distinction is lost on the majority of members This is purely out of interest and in now way meant to offend... I’m assuming you were a man, now a woman and fab have changed your account from a male to female account? I’ve just read your profile and noticed that nowhere does it state that you are transgender. Do you not tell people you are meeting that that’s what you have done? It just seems to me that it would be one of the first things I would put on my profile. Don't understand why she would need to do that necessarily. She is a woman now. " Well the reason I asked is that there would still be some straight men who wouldn’t agree with the fact she is now a woman... I’m just thinking how some may react if they later found out. The reason I say is because I have a very good friend who’s brother had a similar situation and even 4 years on he is still very angry at the fact he wasn’t given the information. Probably made worse that others did know and didn’t tell him either. He’s been in therapy for a lot of that time as well and I think had there been honesty from the start, then this would have been a much different situation. Like I said, just a curiosity as I feel it would be something I would openly put on my profile, knowing that there would potential be people wanting to meet that may have a different opinion if they knew the truth. | |||
"Very interesting. I am a TS. On hormones, various painful procedures that have cost me thousands, boobs, thick head of hair, lost friends and family etc, and some numpty pops up on here and calls me a cross dresser. It's not about me thinking I am better than somebody else. I am totally different to a CD or TV. I have TV friends, but my life and my sacrifices are totally different and to be called a CD is just awful. I think it should be CD/TV as one group and TS as another group. Yeah it's getting messy out there with apparently over 100 different genders but the current category is now outdated and too general. I do however think, for the sake of honesty if your are post op ts, you are still a transgender female and if you are finding yourself in a position that you have to be honest with somebody especially with regards to sex that you have to tell them that you where not born with a female body you should not go about with a female label on any site that involves dating, sex etc. This is why ts girls get the label of us tricking people, why terfs hate us so much and some ts girls end up battered or even (especially america) dead. " Totally this x | |||
"Very interesting. I am a TS. On hormones, various painful procedures that have cost me thousands, boobs, thick head of hair, lost friends and family etc, and some numpty pops up on here and calls me a cross dresser. It's not about me thinking I am better than somebody else. I am totally different to a CD or TV. I have TV friends, but my life and my sacrifices are totally different and to be called a CD is just awful. I think it should be CD/TV as one group and TS as another group. Yeah it's getting messy out there with apparently over 100 different genders but the current category is now outdated and too general. I do however think, for the sake of honesty if your are post op ts, you are still a transgender female and if you are finding yourself in a position that you have to be honest with somebody especially with regards to sex that you have to tell them that you where not born with a female body you should not go about with a female label on any site that involves dating, sex etc. This is why ts girls get the label of us tricking people, why terfs hate us so much and some ts girls end up battered or even (especially america) dead. Totally this x" Definitely | |||
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"This is purely out of interest and in now way meant to offend... I’m assuming you were a man, now a woman and fab have changed your account from a male to female account? I’ve just read your profile and noticed that nowhere does it state that you are transgender. Do you not tell people you are meeting that that’s what you have done? It just seems to me that it would be one of the first things I would put on my profile. " Hi there, Thanks for asking the question and no problem, I’m not offended at all. In fact your question perfectly illustrates why I personally believe that more options are needed in Fab. You are correct in your understanding of my position and I have gone through various iterations of my profile where I used the tv/ts but then I wasn’t what people were looking for as they all wanted “that bit extra” or dare I say it, that horrid term “she make” ( and I really do hate that term with a passion ). I personally identify as fully a woman too so I didn’t feel happy using the tv/ts option so a while ago I asked admin to change this explaining my so to action and they were happy to do so and very helpful. I have had times where I explained my past on my profile too to ensure I don’t waste anyone’s time but I also found that the majority of conversations ended up being all about “that” as people fetishised me for what I was rather than who I am. So as it stands I don’t mention it on my profile, I am who I am and I want people to get to know me as a person accepting me for what I look like and how I come across in messages. You do make a very good point though and for me, long before I even start to talk about actually meeting it any other arrangements i personally have made the choice that I will ensure they know. Being post op does not define me but it is an important part of my history and for me I do like to share that so everyone is on the same page and that I don’t have to feel like “what if they find out?” That’s just me though and I know other feel differently. I don’t feel that any other post op trans woman should feel like they have to declare their past, it just works for me and if there was such an option on fan I would use it. Hope the rambling makes sense ? | |||
" Don't understand why she would need to do that necessarily. She is a woman now. Well the reason I asked is that there would still be some straight men who wouldn’t agree with the fact she is now a woman... " Another two very good points. It is awkward but I see it this way. I AM a woman, it’s what I have always believed and I’m happy that I have been able to correct things. I do also understand that not everyone feels this way and although I’m happy to have a conversation with anyone about it, I’m not going to lose any sleep about it or try to convince you otherwise as long as we respect each other’s rights. However, if we are talking about connecting in a physical way, if you do not believe that trans woman are women then fair play to you but I’m not going to enjoy my time with you anymore than you will enjoy your time with me. So for this reason more than any other I will tell people my past before engaging in anything physical on here. | |||
" Don't understand why she would need to do that necessarily. She is a woman now. Well the reason I asked is that there would still be some straight men who wouldn’t agree with the fact she is now a woman... Another two very good points. It is awkward but I see it this way. I AM a woman, it’s what I have always believed and I’m happy that I have been able to correct things. I do also understand that not everyone feels this way and although I’m happy to have a conversation with anyone about it, I’m not going to lose any sleep about it or try to convince you otherwise as long as we respect each other’s rights. However, if we are talking about connecting in a physical way, if you do not believe that trans woman are women then fair play to you but I’m not going to enjoy my time with you anymore than you will enjoy your time with me. So for this reason more than any other I will tell people my past before engaging in anything physical on here. " I'm interested in how men feel they were female in the first place before, surgery or hormone therapy. I ask because, so many times it appears being "a woman" to many equates to a female characeture. It is this, I find disconcerting, as women come in all varieties. | |||
"I'm interested in how men feel they were female in the first place before, surgery or hormone therapy. I ask because, so many times it appears being "a woman" to many equates to a female characeture. It is this, I find disconcerting, as women come in all varieties. " I’ll take a stab at it but these are purely my thoughts on the topic. It’s certainly a difficult thing to be able to explain and even more do to those that have never felt like they have questioned their own identity. That’s not meant as a cop out like “you could never understand”, that doesn’t help anyone but it is very intangible thing and one of the main reasons I feel that people struggle for so long with gender dysphoria as it’s such a difficult thing to quantify. Just as how you say that women come in all varieties , trans women come in just as many varieties as they journeys of realisation. For me it was simply a sense of “self”, about what I expected to see when I looked at myself, how this didn’t match up to reality and how I reconciled the difference. I guess the only way I can describe it is to say how would you feel if knowing what you know about yourself, you looked down and saw male genitalia there and was told you were a boy? Pardon my French but it’s a mind fuck of immense proportions. It can’t be denied that many people on the trans spectrum do go through ( or for some, remain in ) the characeture phase and I thought about that and women feel less than flattered by that fair bit in the past. I can think of many reasons for this not least of which is that very few trans people go through the same peer developmental phase during their growth that cis people do so tend to stay in an almost teenager state but I’m sure there’s any many reasons for it as there are varieties of women. | |||
"I'm interested in how men feel they were female in the first place before, surgery or hormone therapy. I ask because, so many times it appears being "a woman" to many equates to a female characeture. It is this, I find disconcerting, as women come in all varieties. I’ll take a stab at it but these are purely my thoughts on the topic. It’s certainly a difficult thing to be able to explain and even more do to those that have never felt like they have questioned their own identity. That’s not meant as a cop out like “you could never understand”, that doesn’t help anyone but it is very intangible thing and one of the main reasons I feel that people struggle for so long with gender dysphoria as it’s such a difficult thing to quantify. Just as how you say that women come in all varieties , trans women come in just as many varieties as they journeys of realisation. For me it was simply a sense of “self”, about what I expected to see when I looked at myself, how this didn’t match up to reality and how I reconciled the difference. I guess the only way I can describe it is to say how would you feel if knowing what you know about yourself, you looked down and saw male genitalia there and was told you were a boy? Pardon my French but it’s a mind fuck of immense proportions. It can’t be denied that many people on the trans spectrum do go through ( or for some, remain in ) the characeture phase and I thought about that and women feel less than flattered by that fair bit in the past. I can think of many reasons for this not least of which is that very few trans people go through the same peer developmental phase during their growth that cis people do so tend to stay in an almost teenager state but I’m sure there’s any many reasons for it as there are varieties of women. " Thank you for honest reply it's really helpful, I understand a little better. I need to reflect and, do some reading about it. Anything that gets people discussing is important. | |||
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"But still a man biologically " I don’t mean to sound horrid when I say this so please forgive me f it comes across that way but you you think that trans women aren’t already acutely aware of this? I certainly know very intensely that not matter what else I do, my genetics, my chromosomes, my bone structure and other parts are male by design and there’s not anything I can do about that. I have done what I can to be happy and comfortable with what I have. I have to accept and live with that fact that these things are still what they are but by doing what I have means I can continue living. However these things that I cannot change do not alter the fact that I believe I am a woman. | |||
"We think we are... we don’t know, we should respect that. I prefer to think we know we are different and don’t fit the typical male mode xxx" Again, I can only speak for myself but I don’t just think that I am, I know. If I don’t know anything else , I do know thyself | |||
"Of course your decision is your own but for this very reason I asked the admins to change my profile to “woman” and they were very helpful in getting it done. Unfortunately, whilst there is a lot of support here I do think that the distinction is lost on the majority of members This is purely out of interest and in now way meant to offend... I’m assuming you were a man, now a woman and fab have changed your account from a male to female account? I’ve just read your profile and noticed that nowhere does it state that you are transgender. Do you not tell people you are meeting that that’s what you have done? It just seems to me that it would be one of the first things I would put on my profile. Don't understand why she would need to do that necessarily. She is a woman now. Well the reason I asked is that there would still be some straight men who wouldn’t agree with the fact she is now a woman... I’m just thinking how some may react if they later found out. The reason I say is because I have a very good friend who’s brother had a similar situation and even 4 years on he is still very angry at the fact he wasn’t given the information. Probably made worse that others did know and didn’t tell him either. He’s been in therapy for a lot of that time as well and I think had there been honesty from the start, then this would have been a much different situation. Like I said, just a curiosity as I feel it would be something I would openly put on my profile, knowing that there would potential be people wanting to meet that may have a different opinion if they knew the truth. " Do you feel that you have to tell a prospective partner everything about yourself? All of your past experiences? All of your medical history? Whether they had asked or not? Probably not. Some may assume that a guy really needs this information but that's all it is,an assumption. If he doesn't ask,isn't it just as reasonable to assume that it doesn't matter? | |||
"Of course your decision is your own but for this very reason I asked the admins to change my profile to “woman” and they were very helpful in getting it done. Unfortunately, whilst there is a lot of support here I do think that the distinction is lost on the majority of members This is purely out of interest and in now way meant to offend... I’m assuming you were a man, now a woman and fab have changed your account from a male to female account? I’ve just read your profile and noticed that nowhere does it state that you are transgender. Do you not tell people you are meeting that that’s what you have done? It just seems to me that it would be one of the first things I would put on my profile. Don't understand why she would need to do that necessarily. She is a woman now. Well the reason I asked is that there would still be some straight men who wouldn’t agree with the fact she is now a woman... I’m just thinking how some may react if they later found out. The reason I say is because I have a very good friend who’s brother had a similar situation and even 4 years on he is still very angry at the fact he wasn’t given the information. Probably made worse that others did know and didn’t tell him either. He’s been in therapy for a lot of that time as well and I think had there been honesty from the start, then this would have been a much different situation. Like I said, just a curiosity as I feel it would be something I would openly put on my profile, knowing that there would potential be people wanting to meet that may have a different opinion if they knew the truth. Do you feel that you have to tell a prospective partner everything about yourself? All of your past experiences? All of your medical history? Whether they had asked or not? Probably not. Some may assume that a guy really needs this information but that's all it is,an assumption. If he doesn't ask,isn't it just as reasonable to assume that it doesn't matter?" I think it’s safe to say that if a guy says he’s straight and expecting to meet a female (from birth) then it would matter to that person. I guess it’s like most things, nothing can be taken for granted now days, so safer to ask than not. Although clearly the answer could still be a lie. I just think in a place like this where it’s all about sex, being honest about something that could be so potentially harmful to someone, it should be clear what you are. I’d want to know if I were meeting a guy who was born woman. | |||
"Of course your decision is your own but for this very reason I asked the admins to change my profile to “woman” and they were very helpful in getting it done. Unfortunately, whilst there is a lot of support here I do think that the distinction is lost on the majority of members This is purely out of interest and in now way meant to offend... I’m assuming you were a man, now a woman and fab have changed your account from a male to female account? I’ve just read your profile and noticed that nowhere does it state that you are transgender. Do you not tell people you are meeting that that’s what you have done? It just seems to me that it would be one of the first things I would put on my profile. Don't understand why she would need to do that necessarily. She is a woman now. Well the reason I asked is that there would still be some straight men who wouldn’t agree with the fact she is now a woman... I’m just thinking how some may react if they later found out. The reason I say is because I have a very good friend who’s brother had a similar situation and even 4 years on he is still very angry at the fact he wasn’t given the information. Probably made worse that others did know and didn’t tell him either. He’s been in therapy for a lot of that time as well and I think had there been honesty from the start, then this would have been a much different situation. Like I said, just a curiosity as I feel it would be something I would openly put on my profile, knowing that there would potential be people wanting to meet that may have a different opinion if they knew the truth. Do you feel that you have to tell a prospective partner everything about yourself? All of your past experiences? All of your medical history? Whether they had asked or not? Probably not. Some may assume that a guy really needs this information but that's all it is,an assumption. If he doesn't ask,isn't it just as reasonable to assume that it doesn't matter? I think it’s safe to say that if a guy says he’s straight and expecting to meet a female (from birth) then it would matter to that person. I guess it’s like most things, nothing can be taken for granted now days, so safer to ask than not. Although clearly the answer could still be a lie. I just think in a place like this where it’s all about sex, being honest about something that could be so potentially harmful to someone, it should be clear what you are. I’d want to know if I were meeting a guy who was born woman. " wow I love your videos mmmm got me so horny xx | |||
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"All my life from an early age I never fitted in as a boy and grew older living a lie....I'm a female trapped in a mans body....I dress so to feel this way....the mind creates the person...m/f.. " | |||
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"Of course your decision is your own but for this very reason I asked the admins to change my profile to “woman” and they were very helpful in getting it done. Unfortunately, whilst there is a lot of support here I do think that the distinction is lost on the majority of members This is purely out of interest and in now way meant to offend... I’m assuming you were a man, now a woman and fab have changed your account from a male to female account? I’ve just read your profile and noticed that nowhere does it state that you are transgender. Do you not tell people you are meeting that that’s what you have done? It just seems to me that it would be one of the first things I would put on my profile. Don't understand why she would need to do that necessarily. She is a woman now. Well the reason I asked is that there would still be some straight men who wouldn’t agree with the fact she is now a woman... I’m just thinking how some may react if they later found out. The reason I say is because I have a very good friend who’s brother had a similar situation and even 4 years on he is still very angry at the fact he wasn’t given the information. Probably made worse that others did know and didn’t tell him either. He’s been in therapy for a lot of that time as well and I think had there been honesty from the start, then this would have been a much different situation. Like I said, just a curiosity as I feel it would be something I would openly put on my profile, knowing that there would potential be people wanting to meet that may have a different opinion if they knew the truth. Do you feel that you have to tell a prospective partner everything about yourself? All of your past experiences? All of your medical history? Whether they had asked or not? Probably not. Some may assume that a guy really needs this information but that's all it is,an assumption. If he doesn't ask,isn't it just as reasonable to assume that it doesn't matter? I think it’s safe to say that if a guy says he’s straight and expecting to meet a female (from birth) then it would matter to that person. I guess it’s like most things, nothing can be taken for granted now days, so safer to ask than not. Although clearly the answer could still be a lie. I just think in a place like this where it’s all about sex, being honest about something that could be so potentially harmful to someone, it should be clear what you are. I’d want to know if I were meeting a guy who was born woman. " There could be many reasons that one person could be put off getting together with another person. Which others should just be assumed to be important enough to be discussed, which others should just go without saying, and which others should be considered as nobody else's business? For example, I wouldn't wish to go with a married guy. If I don't specify that and I don't ask, does a guy need to be up front that he is married. If I haven't mentioned it,I can't really claim to have been deceived. It could be reasonably assumed that I would have wanted to know but,again,that's just an assumption. | |||
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