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*WARNING* Liberty Elite members look in, self inflicted data breach today
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"Full email addresses and BOTH names of the couple attached to the email account. "I personally would report it to the ICO. | |||
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"This afternoon I received an email from Libs explaining the situation with Chic. I was surprised because I have no recollection of giving them my email but it must have when we first attended years ago. Imagine my horror when I clicked the "to" button to see that every email address it had been sent to was visible. Not only that, they have put both forenames and surnames of each member in inverted commas before the email address e.g. "SURNAME, MALE NAME & FEMALE NAME" email. So now I have a list of swingers, their full names and they're personal email address, and they all have our full names and email address. One of them is some poor bloke's work email address (not the smartest thing to do, but you'd think you could trust a club not to broadcast it). To say I'm furious is an understatement. I replied to the email but it's been met with silence. I'll be ringing tomorrow when the office opens to cancel my membership and make sure ALL of our details are deleted from their system and I won't be going back again." Omg this outrageous, we will be getting intouch to get details removed & will not be visiting club again. This needs investigating | |||
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"I did not get an email. So this must just be a Chic issue. All on list should respect everyone elses details and delete it. " Let's hope that's the case! | |||
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"I'll also be contacting ICO about this." While technically this is the right route, I suspect it will only lead to even more publicity for everyone named. The tabloids love this sort of thing. | |||
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"I did not get an email. So this must just be a Chic issue. All on list should respect everyone elses details and delete it. " Can i advise that people also check their "spam" filter just to make sure the e-mail didn't go there instead....... | |||
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"Quite right to contact the ICO. A couple of clubs have our details. As someone suggested in a post recently, is it really necessary for them to have our full names? I think they say it's because they have to be private members' clubs, but does it really mean they need our details? If not, then under the current data protection act or forthcoming GDPR, they really should give us the choice. And of course, with the GDPR, we can ask that they delete our details. " Once GDPR comes in, the fines a club could face for this would be fatal. | |||
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"I did not get an email. So this must just be a Chic issue. All on list should respect everyone elses details and delete it. " This is NOT a chic issue. Liberties keep your records and they log your attendance at any event against your membership. I am therefore assuming that they have gone into their database and pulled up everyone that’s on their books that’s attended a chic event, and that’s who has been messaged. Chic do NOT hold any details other than their guest lists of profile names on and social media site, like this one. They have nothing els This matter does come under data protection laws, and if they had any sense at all they would have stored and encrypted all their info correctly, even going to the length that we do in that we have an internal server not a shared platform. Hope that clarifies a little | |||
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"I don't seem to have had this email but have attended chic at liberties. Very worrying!" Make sure you check your junk and spam folders. | |||
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"You can see now why people are concerned about giving personal details to clubs. " You have no worries about giving your details to any club THAT COMPLIES AND IS REGISTERED AND CERTIFIED by data protection..... You should also be wondering and asking these venues IF they store on a multi use platform, if they are ssl compliant and why they need the details and is it legally necessary! I will answer on our behalf We comply to everything We encrypt We are ssl We have our own internal server As a legally registered venue and private members club, we are legally required to hold the details of each member, that is an onerous task, and a huge headache for us and a massive expense to do it in a way that we do EVERYTHING in our power to protect you and your anonymity. This was of major importance to us when we first opened 7 years ago next week. So the thought to bare in mind is, is this actually a legal venue.....there are only a rare few in the UK, most are illegal businesses parading as real businesses from private residences that have NO legal obligation to protect you, so when people say well it’s only £30 to go to that place and it’s £45 to go there, wonder why! Your safety and protection costs, when you have no obligation to Data protection, EHO, Licensing, VAT, tax man, fire safety, listeria water testing and all the hundreds of other bit that come with doing things properly, you can under cut the rest.....so it’s what value is your safety and discretion that is the question I know that sounds a bit harsh, but this is not the first time things like this have happened, we as a venue take a lot of back lash for the trash on the market, that is not pointing a finger at anyone or anywhere and we keep our mouths shut and try not to get involved, however there comes a point when my business and my family are being threatened that it’s time to make a stand..l Hope you all continue placing your trust in us you have no reason not to Kind regards | |||
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"This afternoon I received an email from Libs explaining the situation with Chic. I was surprised because I have no recollection of giving them my email but it must have when we first attended years ago. Imagine my horror when I clicked the "to" button to see that every email address it had been sent to was visible. Not only that, they have put both forenames and surnames of each member in inverted commas before the email address e.g. "SURNAME, MALE NAME & FEMALE NAME" email. So now I have a list of swingers, their full names and they're personal email address, and they all have our full names and email address. One of them is some poor bloke's work email address (not the smartest thing to do, but you'd think you could trust a club not to broadcast it). To say I'm furious is an understatement. I replied to the email but it's been met with silence. I'll be ringing tomorrow when the office opens to cancel my membership and make sure ALL of our details are deleted from their system and I won't be going back again." Had our car stolen from that place when we attended for the first time last year. | |||
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"You can see now why people are concerned about giving personal details to clubs. You have no worries about giving your details to any club THAT COMPLIES AND IS REGISTERED AND CERTIFIED by data protection..... You should also be wondering and asking these venues IF they store on a multi use platform, if they are ssl compliant and why they need the details and is it legally necessary! I will answer on our behalf We comply to everything We encrypt We are ssl We have our own internal server As a legally registered venue and private members club, we are legally required to hold the details of each member, that is an onerous task, and a huge headache for us and a massive expense to do it in a way that we do EVERYTHING in our power to protect you and your anonymity. This was of major importance to us when we first opened 7 years ago next week. So the thought to bare in mind is, is this actually a legal venue.....there are only a rare few in the UK, most are illegal businesses parading as real businesses from private residences that have NO legal obligation to protect you, so when people say well it’s only £30 to go to that place and it’s £45 to go there, wonder why! Your safety and protection costs, when you have no obligation to Data protection, EHO, Licensing, VAT, tax man, fire safety, listeria water testing and all the hundreds of other bit that come with doing things properly, you can under cut the rest.....so it’s what value is your safety and discretion that is the question I know that sounds a bit harsh, but this is not the first time things like this have happened, we as a venue take a lot of back lash for the trash on the market, that is not pointing a finger at anyone or anywhere and we keep our mouths shut and try not to get involved, however there comes a point when my business and my family are being threatened that it’s time to make a stand..l Hope you all continue placing your trust in us you have no reason not to Kind regards " Our prices match your quoted rates there...we are in the North..it is different to where you are and implying that cheap prices mean poorly run venues, then I take great offence. We are fully legal, licensed to the hilt, data protection compliant, ICO registered, insured and indeed trained in upkeep of hot tubs and infection control...we charge our customers accordingly in an area of the country which is saturated with clubs, competition is high and cost of living is lower. Not getting pissy, but please be careful when you imply that cheap entry means poorly run clubs!!!! Vicky x | |||
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"You can see now why people are concerned about giving personal details to clubs. You have no worries about giving your details to any club THAT COMPLIES AND IS REGISTERED AND CERTIFIED by data protection..... You should also be wondering and asking these venues IF they store on a multi use platform, if they are ssl compliant and why they need the details and is it legally necessary! I will answer on our behalf We comply to everything We encrypt We are ssl We have our own internal server As a legally registered venue and private members club, we are legally required to hold the details of each member, that is an onerous task, and a huge headache for us and a massive expense to do it in a way that we do EVERYTHING in our power to protect you and your anonymity. This was of major importance to us when we first opened 7 years ago next week. So the thought to bare in mind is, is this actually a legal venue.....there are only a rare few in the UK, most are illegal businesses parading as real businesses from private residences that have NO legal obligation to protect you, so when people say well it’s only £30 to go to that place and it’s £45 to go there, wonder why! Your safety and protection costs, when you have no obligation to Data protection, EHO, Licensing, VAT, tax man, fire safety, listeria water testing and all the hundreds of other bit that come with doing things properly, you can under cut the rest.....so it’s what value is your safety and discretion that is the question I know that sounds a bit harsh, but this is not the first time things like this have happened, we as a venue take a lot of back lash for the trash on the market, that is not pointing a finger at anyone or anywhere and we keep our mouths shut and try not to get involved, however there comes a point when my business and my family are being threatened that it’s time to make a stand..l Hope you all continue placing your trust in us you have no reason not to Kind regards " So who is responsible for letting out the personal details of members? Someone is and the authorities don't just brush this one under the table. We went libs 6 or so years ago on a private party night. We handed our email and I will be very concerned if a so called well run private club as given out our details. | |||
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"You can see now why people are concerned about giving personal details to clubs. You have no worries about giving your details to any club THAT COMPLIES AND IS REGISTERED AND CERTIFIED by data protection..... You should also be wondering and asking these venues IF they store on a multi use platform, if they are ssl compliant and why they need the details and is it legally necessary! I will answer on our behalf We comply to everything We encrypt We are ssl We have our own internal server As a legally registered venue and private members club, we are legally required to hold the details of each member, that is an onerous task, and a huge headache for us and a massive expense to do it in a way that we do EVERYTHING in our power to protect you and your anonymity. This was of major importance to us when we first opened 7 years ago next week. So the thought to bare in mind is, is this actually a legal venue.....there are only a rare few in the UK, most are illegal businesses parading as real businesses from private residences that have NO legal obligation to protect you, so when people say well it’s only £30 to go to that place and it’s £45 to go there, wonder why! Your safety and protection costs, when you have no obligation to Data protection, EHO, Licensing, VAT, tax man, fire safety, listeria water testing and all the hundreds of other bit that come with doing things properly, you can under cut the rest.....so it’s what value is your safety and discretion that is the question I know that sounds a bit harsh, but this is not the first time things like this have happened, we as a venue take a lot of back lash for the trash on the market, that is not pointing a finger at anyone or anywhere and we keep our mouths shut and try not to get involved, however there comes a point when my business and my family are being threatened that it’s time to make a stand..l Hope you all continue placing your trust in us you have no reason not to Kind regards So who is responsible for letting out the personal details of members? Someone is and the authorities don't just brush this one under the table. We went libs 6 or so years ago on a private party night. We handed our email and I will be very concerned if a so called well run private club as given out our details. " These are other clubs protecting their interests. The issue is with Liberty Elite and their breach of data protection laws regarding their membership. I think other clubs are trying to point out that not all clubs store their data in the same way and some ways are much more secure than others. | |||
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"Prices at clubs has NO reflection on whether the club is legal or not, it looks like Libs have royally fucked up on this over the fight between the rights to the Chic brand (I’m sure Nile Rogers would have something to say about that) and panic emailed people, now others seem to be twisting the knife this is the typical Bullshit club wars that frankly keeps us away from our local clubs It’s awful what’s happened but it’s a mistake, the only people who will take advantage who received the email are nasty pieces of work, most of the swinging community won’t do anything with the information and after all aint the Chic events really for posers and peacocks to dance all night and think they are swingers? So the experts on here, maybe get in your car and go sort this mess out for them eh Please note: some of the above was said in jest xxx" “Posers and peacocks”  | |||
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" “Posers and peacocks” "Heard a few say this. Reading the reviews seems to confirm it. | |||
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"Prices at clubs has NO reflection on whether the club is legal or not, it looks like Libs have royally fucked up on this over the fight between the rights to the Chic brand (I’m sure Nile Rogers would have something to say about that) and panic emailed people, now others seem to be twisting the knife this is the typical Bullshit club wars that frankly keeps us away from our local clubs It’s awful what’s happened but it’s a mistake, the only people who will take advantage who received the email are nasty pieces of work, most of the swinging community won’t do anything with the information and after all aint the Chic events really for posers and peacocks to dance all night and think they are swingers? So the experts on here, maybe get in your car and go sort this mess out for them eh Please note: some of the above was said in jest xxx"  | |||
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"Wow this is well said!! It’s simple, someone sent an email and put everyone in the to: field or the cc: field instead of the bcc: field, it’s a . mistake, and with due respect a terrible mistake but the simple solution is for everyone who got that email to simply delete it, that’s it! Then the person who did this needs to be spoken to. That’s it! Reporting this will just make it a misery for all of us in. Simple" What if someone on that list is a bit of a dick and spots his/her boss on there, or a teacher at his local school etc? Deleting it and hoping it goes away doesn't really help anyone. I trusted my details to Libs and they betrayed that trust. And what for? A fucking playground style "he said she said" message. Absolutely pathetic | |||
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"Wow this is well said!! It’s simple, someone sent an email and put everyone in the to: field or the cc: field instead of the bcc: field, it’s a . mistake, and with due respect a terrible mistake but the simple solution is for everyone who got that email to simply delete it, that’s it! Then the person who did this needs to be spoken to. That’s it! Reporting this will just make it a misery for all of us in. Simple What if someone on that list is a bit of a dick and spots his/her boss on there, or a teacher at his local school etc? Deleting it and hoping it goes away doesn't really help anyone. I trusted my details to Libs and they betrayed that trust. And what for? A fucking playground style "he said she said" message. Absolutely pathetic" Agreed | |||
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"Wow this is well said!! It’s simple, someone sent an email and put everyone in the to: field or the cc: field instead of the bcc: field, it’s a . mistake, and with due respect a terrible mistake but the simple solution is for everyone who got that email to simply delete it, that’s it! Then the person who did this needs to be spoken to. That’s it! Reporting this will just make it a misery for all of us in. Simple What if someone on that list is a bit of a dick and spots his/her boss on there, or a teacher at his local school etc? Deleting it and hoping it goes away doesn't really help anyone. I trusted my details to Libs and they betrayed that trust. And what for? A fucking playground style "he said she said" message. Absolutely pathetic" That's a bit of a crap analogy. If they've spotted a boss/teacher on the list then they were just as likely to run into them in person at the events! Think it's more likely that someone of the dickish persuasion may use it to track someone down on social media. But that's made easier if you don't have a swing email account, only vanilla ones. | |||
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"Wow this is well said!! It’s simple, someone sent an email and put everyone in the to: field or the cc: field instead of the bcc: field, it’s a . mistake, and with due respect a terrible mistake but the simple solution is for everyone who got that email to simply delete it, that’s it! Then the person who did this needs to be spoken to. That’s it! Reporting this will just make it a misery for all of us in. Simple What if someone on that list is a bit of a dick and spots his/her boss on there, or a teacher at his local school etc? Deleting it and hoping it goes away doesn't really help anyone. I trusted my details to Libs and they betrayed that trust. And what for? A fucking playground style "he said she said" message. Absolutely pathetic That's a bit of a crap analogy. If they've spotted a boss/teacher on the list then they were just as likely to run into them in person at the events! Think it's more likely that someone of the dickish persuasion may use it to track someone down on social media. But that's made easier if you don't have a swing email account, only vanilla ones. " There is zero defence for what has happened None of the "oh we all make mistakes" type of stuff. This is very serious due to the situation that people trusted them with their names. Personally I'd like to think some big fines are coming or legal cases. If It closes them then tough shit.they should have employed people able to email people without giving all the names out. In my work no one would give a fuck. My wife would be sacked This will be the end of the club and I'd guess chic won't come out smelling like roses even if they had no involvement | |||
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"Wow this is well said!! It’s simple, someone sent an email and put everyone in the to: field or the cc: field instead of the bcc: field, it’s a . mistake, and with due respect a terrible mistake but the simple solution is for everyone who got that email to simply delete it, that’s it! Then the person who did this needs to be spoken to. That’s it! Reporting this will just make it a misery for all of us in. Simple What if someone on that list is a bit of a dick and spots his/her boss on there, or a teacher at his local school etc? Deleting it and hoping it goes away doesn't really help anyone. I trusted my details to Libs and they betrayed that trust. And what for? A fucking playground style "he said she said" message. Absolutely pathetic That's a bit of a crap analogy. If they've spotted a boss/teacher on the list then they were just as likely to run into them in person at the events! Think it's more likely that someone of the dickish persuasion may use it to track someone down on social media. But that's made easier if you don't have a swing email account, only vanilla ones. There is zero defence for what has happened None of the "oh we all make mistakes" type of stuff. This is very serious due to the situation that people trusted them with their names. Personally I'd like to think some big fines are coming or legal cases. If It closes them then tough shit.they should have employed people able to email people without giving all the names out. In my work no one would give a fuck. My wife would be sacked This will be the end of the club and I'd guess chic won't come out smelling like roses even if they had no involvement " People worried about data breach causing them to be being outed as swingers, take club to court where they would be outed as swingers. That kind of legal case? | |||
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" This will be the end of the club and I'd guess chic won't come out smelling like roses even if they had no involvement " Chic had the square root of fuck all to do with this. It was 100% Libs. Chic broke ties with Libs and now host their parties at VA. The email that Libs sent was an 'explanation' of the situation (it was just a character assassination of the guys who run Chic). That in itself is enough to put us off going there again, let alone the massive data breach. An absolute omnishambles on Libs behalf. If any staff from Libs are reading this, for the love of God, hide John's laptop or something. | |||
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"Wow this is well said!! It’s simple, someone sent an email and put everyone in the to: field or the cc: field instead of the bcc: field, it’s a . mistake, and with due respect a terrible mistake but the simple solution is for everyone who got that email to simply delete it, that’s it! Then the person who did this needs to be spoken to. That’s it! Reporting this will just make it a misery for all of us in. Simple What if someone on that list is a bit of a dick and spots his/her boss on there, or a teacher at his local school etc? Deleting it and hoping it goes away doesn't really help anyone. I trusted my details to Libs and they betrayed that trust. And what for? A fucking playground style "he said she said" message. Absolutely pathetic That's a bit of a crap analogy. If they've spotted a boss/teacher on the list then they were just as likely to run into them in person at the events! Think it's more likely that someone of the dickish persuasion may use it to track someone down on social media. But that's made easier if you don't have a swing email account, only vanilla ones. There is zero defence for what has happened None of the "oh we all make mistakes" type of stuff. This is very serious due to the situation that people trusted them with their names. Personally I'd like to think some big fines are coming or legal cases. If It closes them then tough shit.they should have employed people able to email people without giving all the names out. In my work no one would give a fuck. My wife would be sacked This will be the end of the club and I'd guess chic won't come out smelling like roses even if they had no involvement People worried about data breach causing them to be being outed as swingers, take club to court where they would be outed as swingers. That kind of legal case? " You seem to be very defensive of something that has no excuse for happening. Someone could lose a job over this and yes I'm sure there would be some costly court case over it I'm sure the next events will be cancelled as more find out about this and people cancel their memberships Libs=game over | |||
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"This afternoon I received an email from Libs explaining the situation with Chic. I was surprised because I have no recollection of giving them my email but it must have when we first attended years ago. Imagine my horror when I clicked the "to" button to see that every email address it had been sent to was visible. Not only that, they have put both forenames and surnames of each member in inverted commas before the email address e.g. "SURNAME, MALE NAME & FEMALE NAME" email. So now I have a list of swingers, their full names and they're personal email address, and they all have our full names and email address. One of them is some poor bloke's work email address (not the smartest thing to do, but you'd think you could trust a club not to broadcast it). To say I'm furious is an understatement. I replied to the email but it's been met with silence. I'll be ringing tomorrow when the office opens to cancel my membership and make sure ALL of our details are deleted from their system and I won't be going back again." sorry but if you've been in this life a while you have an email soley for this site  | |||
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" This will be the end of the club and I'd guess chic won't come out smelling like roses even if they had no involvement Chic had the square root of fuck all to do with this. It was 100% Libs. " I know but shit sticks and as soon as a name is linked with something and people will be super cautious | |||
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"sorry but if you've been in this life a while you have an email soley for this site "Did you miss the part where I said that both partners full names were also included? | |||
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" This will be the end of the club and I'd guess chic won't come out smelling like roses even if they had no involvement Chic had the square root of fuck all to do with this. It was 100% Libs. I know but shit sticks and as soon as a name is linked with something and people will be super cautious " I'd think the Chic events promoters will be more than a little upset about that. Maybe no one else will have to worry about be it outed in court as mentioned above... | |||
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"Look up the GDPR, this is a terrible misuse of data "Doesn’t kick in until May | |||
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"Keep twisting the knife guys, whose with reason to see another club fail eh "Libs have fucked up massively, something which could see them fined tens of thousands of pounds (and the implications of that on any business are clear) because that fuck up has compromised many people's privacy. It's not sure how discussing that "is twisting the knife", the people involved have a right to be pissed off. And if Libs closes as a result of this, the one thing that is for certain is it will be nothing to do with this thread | |||
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"Keep twisting the knife guys, whose with reason to see another club fail eh
Libs have fucked up massively, something which could see them fined tens of thousands of pounds (and the implications of that on any business are clear) because that fuck up has compromised many people's privacy.
It's not sure how discussing that "is twisting the knife", the people involved have a right to be pissed off. And if Libs closes as a result of this, the one thing that is for certain is it will be nothing to do with this thread"Well & honestly said | |||
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"Look up the GDPR, this is a terrible misuse of data
Doesn’t kick in until May "For which Libs should be down on their knees in thanks. | |||
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"Unfortunately the club is at risk of massive consequences due to a very unnecessary email, we also received the email and was very shocked to see everyone’s details! Putting the nature of the email aside this was a very big unintentional mistake on the clubs behalf. As far as the club goes it is normally run at a high and very professional standard and to our knowledge regulations are normally met, the club puts a massive amounts of effort in to making sure its members and guests are there main priority! The club reviews speak for themselves. What a massive shame and big mistake for such a great club personally we would be very sad to see Libs go under. " Here here xxx | |||
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"Prices at clubs has NO reflection on whether the club is legal or not, it looks like Libs have royally fucked up on this over the fight between the rights to the Chic brand (I’m sure Nile Rogers would have something to say about that) and panic emailed people, now others seem to be twisting the knife this is the typical Bullshit club wars that frankly keeps us away from our local clubs It’s awful what’s happened but it’s a mistake, the only people who will take advantage who received the email are nasty pieces of work, most of the swinging community won’t do anything with the information and after all aint the Chic events really for posers and peacocks to dance all night and think they are swingers? So the experts on here, maybe get in your car and go sort this mess out for them eh Please note: some of the above was said in jest xxx" Well said, storm in a tea cup and unless you’re a ‘A’ list celebrity get your head out you ass about it. It is a dumb school boy error and I bet 99% of the 70 people used a swinger only email not a work or day to day one so what is the big deal unless you really want a club to fail and if you do shame on you in what I thought was a look after our own community Okay the current fight over the Chic brand is pathetic and Libs openly slagging off Deviants on their site is childish and immature and the management would be better off using their time to get other events going rather than hang on to the poser and false tits event, let VA have it and move on | |||
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"As soon as they start answering the phones tomorrow I'll be ringing to have all details of our membership removed. I'll also be contacting ICO about this." A few years ago a HIV clinic emailed all its patients using the to function instead of bcc... they got sued for hundreds of thousands! | |||
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"Okay the current fight over the Chic brand is pathetic and Libs openly slagging off Deviants on their site is childish and immature and the management would be better off using their time to get other events going rather than hang on to the poser and false tits event, let VA have it and move on" What a vile and pathetic thing to say. Perhaps if u don't feel adequate to go with all the "posers and false tits" to those events don't go to them. | |||
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" Well said, storm in a tea cup and unless you’re a ‘A’ list celebrity get your head out you ass about it. It is a dumb school boy error and I bet 99% of the 70 people used a swinger only email not a work or day to day one so what is the big deal unless you really want a club to fail and if you do shame on you in what I thought was a look after our own community Okay the current fight over the Chic brand is pathetic and Libs openly slagging off Deviants on their site is childish and immature and the management would be better off using their time to get other events going rather than hang on to the poser and false tits event, let VA have it and move on" Can nobody read? It wasn't just email addresses, it had the full names of both partners too. If it's no big deal, why not put your full name for all to see on here or on your profile? You talk about our "community" and then proceed to slag off people who attend chic as posers and false tits. Nice community spirit there mate.... | |||
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"Prices at clubs has NO reflection on whether the club is legal or not, it looks like Libs have royally fucked up on this over the fight between the rights to the Chic brand (I’m sure Nile Rogers would have something to say about that) and panic emailed people, now others seem to be twisting the knife this is the typical Bullshit club wars that frankly keeps us away from our local clubs It’s awful what’s happened but it’s a mistake, the only people who will take advantage who received the email are nasty pieces of work, most of the swinging community won’t do anything with the information and after all aint the Chic events really for posers and peacocks to dance all night and think they are swingers? So the experts on here, maybe get in your car and go sort this mess out for them eh Please note: some of the above was said in jest xxx Well said, storm in a tea cup and unless you’re a ‘A’ list celebrity get your head out you ass about it. It is a dumb school boy error and I bet 99% of the 70 people used a swinger only email not a work or day to day one so what is the big deal unless you really want a club to fail and if you do shame on you in what I thought was a look after our own community Okay the current fight over the Chic brand is pathetic and Libs openly slagging off Deviants on their site is childish and immature and the management would be better off using their time to get other events going rather than hang on to the poser and false tits event, let VA have it and move on" Absolutely clueless. I will repeat Full names and email addresses! Let that sink in. They had our mail addy years ago and if it's included I'd be happy to see the ship sink. Certainly never even considering another visit. | |||
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" Can nobody read? It wasn't just email addresses, it had the full names of both partners too. If it's no big deal, why not put your full name for all to see on here or on your profile? You talk about our "community" and then proceed to slag off people who attend chic as posers and false tits. Nice community spirit there mate...." So what if it gave a full Christian and Surname, do the maths, 65.64 million at the last count in the UK no area was given on the the email to narrow down the search so assuming someone on that small list is dumb enough to send it to the press do you think any editor is going to bother wasting time publishing it or attempting to track you or any of your co email receipents down, no unless you people are narcissists and think you are that important to find!! Yes community and all I did was state fact about a percentage of the chic party goers and if you read what I wrote you would see I equally slagged the Libs management off as childish and immature but you forgot that fact in your blinkered reply clearly!! Communities fight within nothing new their but they don’t distroy their own community centres unless they are not part of the community, as someone said earlier keep twisting the knife as you clearly have a axe to grind for whatever reason but on you go luv | |||
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"This afternoon I received an email from Libs explaining the situation with Chic. I was surprised because I have no recollection of giving them my email but it must have when we first attended years ago. Imagine my horror when I clicked the "to" button to see that every email address it had been sent to was visible. Not only that, they have put both forenames and surnames of each member in inverted commas before the email address e.g. "SURNAME, MALE NAME & FEMALE NAME" email. So now I have a list of swingers, their full names and they're personal email address, and they all have our full names and email address. One of them is some poor bloke's work email address (not the smartest thing to do, but you'd think you could trust a club not to broadcast it). To say I'm furious is an understatement. I replied to the email but it's been met with silence. I'll be ringing tomorrow when the office opens to cancel my membership and make sure ALL of our details are deleted from their system and I won't be going back again.sorry but if you've been in this life a while you have an email soley for this site "New people might not. And why should they? Their details should be safe. | |||
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" Can nobody read? It wasn't just email addresses, it had the full names of both partners too. If it's no big deal, why not put your full name for all to see on here or on your profile? You talk about our "community" and then proceed to slag off people who attend chic as posers and false tits. Nice community spirit there mate.... So what if it gave a full Christian and Surname, do the maths, 65.64 million at the last count in the UK no area was given on the the email to narrow down the search so assuming someone on that small list is dumb enough to send it to the press do you think any editor is going to bother wasting time publishing it or attempting to track you or any of your co email receipents down, no unless you people are narcissists and think you are that important to find!! Yes community and all I did was state fact about a percentage of the chic party goers and if you read what I wrote you would see I equally slagged the Libs management off as childish and immature but you forgot that fact in your blinkered reply clearly!! Communities fight within nothing new their but they don’t distroy their own community centres unless they are not part of the community, as someone said earlier keep twisting the knife as you clearly have a axe to grind for whatever reason but on you go luv" Really not sinking in. Why not post your name and work email address on your profile. There are laws regarding personal info for a reason. | |||
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"This afternoon I received an email from Libs explaining the situation with Chic. I was surprised because I have no recollection of giving them my email but it must have when we first attended years ago. Imagine my horror when I clicked the "to" button to see that every email address it had been sent to was visible. Not only that, they have put both forenames and surnames of each member in inverted commas before the email address e.g. "SURNAME, MALE NAME & FEMALE NAME" email. So now I have a list of swingers, their full names and they're personal email address, and they all have our full names and email address. One of them is some poor bloke's work email address (not the smartest thing to do, but you'd think you could trust a club not to broadcast it). To say I'm furious is an understatement. I replied to the email but it's been met with silence. I'll be ringing tomorrow when the office opens to cancel my membership and make sure ALL of our details are deleted from their system and I won't be going back again.sorry but if you've been in this life a while you have an email soley for this site
New people might not. And why should they? Their details should be safe."its been known for quite a few years that email is easy to abuse a lot of scammers deliberately target email addresses they are somehow able to access the email address book ,a friend of mines email got breached and I received stuff because I was in his addresses | |||
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"I’ve spent some time wondering what email I used as I didn’t get one in my personal email account but I may have given a false one and still used my real name (as John had seen my ID so thought it best to put legit details down). I don’t think it’s helpful people saying false emails should be used. We had to present ID so pointless really, he’s got all of our details. Worried about Chelsea’s info too. I can’t ask anyone if our names are on there in case they’re not and it’s therefore a vicious circle! John is a nice man, he means well, but if he’s in sole charge of the administration then I think he needs to let someone else take care of it. I wouldn’t be comfortable with my grandad on the computer sending stuff out, if you get me. I wouldn’t want to see anyone’s business destroyed either, he’s got a lovely venue there, purpose-built and it would be a shame to see it go to waste. But he’s made a monumental error and eroded that one thing we all depend on in this lifestyle- trust and confidence that those who choose to keep this side of their life private. " Very nicely put & totally agree. You have to show id to join most clubs so even if a fab email used full names would have still been shown in this case. Such confidential information should be treated accordingly. | |||
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"well here u have it to the people who keep saying clubs are safe xx " hey I know a couple who had a naked punch up with another couple in a club oh to have been a fly on the wall with a head top camera | |||
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"Unfortunately the club is at risk of massive consequences due to a very unnecessary email, we also received the email and was very shocked to see everyone’s details! Putting the nature of the email aside this was a very big unintentional mistake on the clubs behalf. As far as the club goes it is normally run at a high and very professional standard and to our knowledge regulations are normally met, the club puts a massive amounts of effort in to making sure its members and guests are there main priority! The club reviews speak for themselves. What a massive shame and big mistake for such a great club personally we would be very sad to see Libs go under. " Most definitely a huge mistake we love libs and wouldn’t want this silly mistake to sink it. Yes the email was pointless and people’s personal details have been exposed but worse happens at sea. I’m sure 90% of email recipients are angry and upset but don’t want libs to go down as a result. It’s the other 10% that seem that twisting the knife and kicking and old man when he’s down is their only option...... shame really that he made such a stupid pointless mistake, he’s going to be beating himself up over this situation but I’m sure he won’t be making the same mistake again cut the guy some slack, he’s let something so silly get to him and he’s reacted badly but the club could close because of this and it is what we all want really?? Good clubs are hard to come by as it is | |||
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" So what if it gave a full Christian and Surname, do the maths, 65.64 million at the last count in the UK no area was given on the the email to narrow down the search so assuming someone on that small list is dumb enough to send it to the press do you think any editor is going to bother wasting time publishing it or attempting to track you or any of your co email receipents down, no unless you people are narcissists and think you are that important to find!! Yes community and all I did was state fact about a percentage of the chic party goers and if you read what I wrote you would see I equally slagged the Libs management off as childish and immature but you forgot that fact in your blinkered reply clearly!! Communities fight within nothing new their but they don’t distroy their own community centres unless they are not part of the community, as someone said earlier keep twisting the knife as you clearly have a axe to grind for whatever reason but on you go luv" As I said, if it's no big deal then stick your full name on your profile or on this thread. | |||
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"This afternoon I received an email from Libs explaining the situation with Chic. I was surprised because I have no recollection of giving them my email but it must have when we first attended years ago. Imagine my horror when I clicked the "to" button to see that every email address it had been sent to was visible. Not only that, they have put both forenames and surnames of each member in inverted commas before the email address e.g. "SURNAME, MALE NAME & FEMALE NAME" email. So now I have a list of swingers, their full names and they're personal email address, and they all have our full names and email address. One of them is some poor bloke's work email address (not the smartest thing to do, but you'd think you could trust a club not to broadcast it). To say I'm furious is an understatement. I replied to the email but it's been met with silence. I'll be ringing tomorrow when the office opens to cancel my membership and make sure ALL of our details are deleted from their system and I won't be going back again.sorry but if you've been in this life a while you have an email soley for this site "Over ten years and no we don’t, nor do we need one. | |||
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"Ok. Full names means the ability to find us on Facebook, where we live, the car we drive, whether we run a Company and its full address........ this is NOT about trying to close a club, or being vindictive in any way. Had it been a promotional email, there would be an element of sympathy for an honest mistake.... but the needless nature of the email content and the objective Libs were clearly trying to achieve means they deserve everything they get. This scene is about friendship, honesty, trust and above all fun.... whoever sent that email doesn’t care about any of that or the scene in general- they clearly only care about the dollar..... we can do without them, and believe me when I tell you (because I am FCA and ICO registered)...... they are in a massive amount of trouble which will result in them being audited and all of their data processes being microscopically examined. If they are not doing things properly (and I suspect they are not).... they will be forcibly closed. End of." | |||
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"I received the email and I received your reply too I wasn’t that bothered really but Now you have mentioned it it’s a bit of a liberty ??" I'm not sure who you are refering to as having sent a reply to everyone (if I've read it right) but anyone replying to all the adresses on the original email is also breaching DPA | |||
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"I received the email and I received your reply too I wasn’t that bothered really but Now you have mentioned it it’s a bit of a liberty ?? I'm not sure who you are refering to as having sent a reply to everyone (if I've read it right) but anyone replying to all the adresses on the original email is also breaching DPA " Not if they remove the cc and bcc fields they're not. | |||
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"Can someone pm us who has received the e mail to check if we are on it as not sure which e mail we used X " Are you for real!!! How is that any better than the topic and events here ‘data protection’ that constitutes a breach too...you need to contact Libs and ask them for that information under the data protection act and quote your name and email address as they are only allowed to give you confirmation that you were or were not on the list and not the full list for you to sift through. | |||
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"I received the email and I received your reply too I wasn’t that bothered really but Now you have mentioned it it’s a bit of a liberty ?? I'm not sure who you are refering to as having sent a reply to everyone (if I've read it right) but anyone replying to all the adresses on the original email is also breaching DPA " Look at the thread toward the top it looks like the OP replied to all...oh dear me lol | |||
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"I received the email and I received your reply too I wasn’t that bothered really but Now you have mentioned it it’s a bit of a liberty ?? I'm not sure who you are refering to as having sent a reply to everyone (if I've read it right) but anyone replying to all the adresses on the original email is also breaching DPA Not if they remove the cc and bcc fields they're not. " They are using an email address that they should never have been given to them and contacting the recipient without the recipient's expressed consent. That is breaching DPA | |||
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"I didn't reply to all. Someone else must have and they just assumed it was us. No one hit reply to all from the block of addresses we are in. So put your pitchforks away. "
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"I didn't reply to all. Someone else must have and they just assumed it was us. No one hit reply to all from the block of addresses we are in. So put your pitchforks away. " I got a reply from someone | |||
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"Is it just people who went to Chic at Libs that are getting these emails? Because we've been to Libs and I most likely put a fake email (preventing me from getting an email) but our names would still be there. Can anyone confirm whether anyone got an email who hadn't been to Chic? " I've been to Libs recently and had nothing. Suggest it's just the chic crowd as it was relevant only to them. | |||
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"I received the email and I received your reply too I wasn’t that bothered really but Now you have mentioned it it’s a bit of a liberty ?? I'm not sure who you are refering to as having sent a reply to everyone (if I've read it right) but anyone replying to all the adresses on the original email is also breaching DPA Look at the thread toward the top it looks like the OP replied to all...oh dear me lol" Even if the op had hit reply to all (which I don't believe they did) it's not like they're giving out anymore information than has already been disclosed by the club.. Here's the facts as we see them. The club is responsible for the data held. The club has used this data in an inappropriate way in order to contact members about a personal squabble. The club has also included people's full names and surnames which anyone with an ounce of knowledge could use to potentially trace someone in the vanilla world. And while most of us are not celebs some still value there privacy and worry what it could mean for them. (Our opinion) No one wants a club to close, however if they do because of this well they have themselves to blame. We don't appear to have been included on this email but have attended a chic event which you seem so passionate about. Had we been included we'd have been on the phone first thing this morning. Had we not got a reply we'd have been in the car on the way there to get the club to remove every bit of information they hold on us. Some of us still value our personal information and expect clubs to protect it and not use it because they're acting like squabbling kids over a club night. As for the chic brand, well the club played host to the nights. They didn't create them! Get over it and start a similar night it's not exactly hard is it. Also looking forward to posing at the next one.. female half is eyeing up the price of fake tits. Happy swinging.. | |||
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"We had an email. Emailed them back privately and stated our shock at receiving a large group of members contact details and told them never to email again. Deleted the mail now. I believe it’s people who are members of the club and have also gone to a Chic night. " Were members & been to CHIC but fortunately no email. Just hope everyone deletes it as you have done | |||
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"Is it just people who went to Chic at Libs that are getting these emails? Because we've been to Libs and I most likely put a fake email (preventing me from getting an email) but our names would still be there. Can anyone confirm whether anyone got an email who hadn't been to Chic? I've been to Libs recently and had nothing. Suggest it's just the chic crowd as it was relevant only to them. " I’m sure they will appreciate the sentiment of your update status | |||
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"I received the email and I received your reply too I wasn’t that bothered really but Now you have mentioned it it’s a bit of a liberty ?? I'm not sure who you are refering to as having sent a reply to everyone (if I've read it right) but anyone replying to all the adresses on the original email is also breaching DPA Look at the thread toward the top it looks like the OP replied to all...oh dear me lol Even if the op had hit reply to all (which I don't believe they did) it's not like they're giving out anymore information than has already been disclosed by the club.. Here's the facts as we see them. The club is responsible for the data held. The club has used this data in an inappropriate way in order to contact members about a personal squabble. The club has also included people's full names and surnames which anyone with an ounce of knowledge could use to potentially trace someone in the vanilla world. And while most of us are not celebs some still value there privacy and worry what it could mean for them. (Our opinion) No one wants a club to close, however if they do because of this well they have themselves to blame. We don't appear to have been included on this email but have attended a chic event which you seem so passionate about. Had we been included we'd have been on the phone first thing this morning. Had we not got a reply we'd have been in the car on the way there to get the club to remove every bit of information they hold on us. Some of us still value our personal information and expect clubs to protect it and not use it because they're acting like squabbling kids over a club night. As for the chic brand, well the club played host to the nights. They didn't create them! Get over it and start a similar night it's not exactly hard is it. Also looking forward to posing at the next one.. female half is eyeing up the price of fake tits. Happy swinging.." Haha. I still can’t believe the posers and peacocks phrase- berating the fact that Chic is known for the hot girls and boys who look after themselves- and that’s why we go! Not to mention it’s the exact opposite of what I thought a “swingers” club to be like... | |||
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"Is it just people who went to Chic at Libs that are getting these emails? Because we've been to Libs and I most likely put a fake email (preventing me from getting an email) but our names would still be there. Can anyone confirm whether anyone got an email who hadn't been to Chic? I've been to Libs recently and had nothing. Suggest it's just the chic crowd as it was relevant only to them. I’m sure they will appreciate the sentiment of your update status "Haha! Not entirely sure how an indiscriminate data breach affecting people of all hues turned into this but there you have it.. | |||
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"Is it just people who went to Chic at Libs that are getting these emails? Because we've been to Libs and I most likely put a fake email (preventing me from getting an email) but our names would still be there. Can anyone confirm whether anyone got an email who hadn't been to Chic? I've been to Libs recently and had nothing. Suggest it's just the chic crowd as it was relevant only to them. I’m sure they will appreciate the sentiment of your update status
Haha! Not entirely sure how an indiscriminate data breach affecting people of all hues turned into this but there you have it.."We wanted to go to a night that was aimed at those who like to stay in physical shape or society classes as "conventionally" attractive as that's our personal taste. Apparently for some in the swinging world that's a negative. We have never said a negative word about those we don't find attractive, we don't bash people for going to nights we wouldn't attend, i.e. gay/bi/transgender nights, or hold a negative view on single guys in clubs. Odd that the people you'd expect to be the most tolerant of others are actually the most bigoted. Just goes to show there's a lot of ugly personalities hiding in some profiles. But hey if you get your kicks in other peoples misery and misfortune, and if you can't accept other peoples preferences and physical appearance maybe you should take a look at yourself. | |||
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"And now I'm getting unsolicited emails from a new club opening in Nottingham? And new paradise forum is showing pink mamba club This is now very very serious! " Huh  | |||
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"And now I'm getting unsolicited emails from a new club opening in Nottingham? And new paradise forum is showing pink mamba club This is now very very serious! " Is there anyone else linked into your email? If you are registered to the News letter then how is this serious? It’s only a link! | |||
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"They just sent this out. It has been drawn to our attention at 9.30am on Monday Morning 12th February the error made in sending out the email regarding Chic@ Liberty Elite. This was quite simply human error and was totally unintentional. In the 18 years the club has been established this has never happened before as we regard personal privacy as paramount to the proper functioning of the club. We totally totally realise this will have caused some people distress and regrettably the only thing we can do at this time is offer our sincere and unreserved apology. We have already asked our technical advisors to investigate that they put in a fail-safe system to ensure this never happens again. Liberty Elite" The single best thing any organisation could have done in this situation is report themselves to the ICO. An apology is meaningless | |||
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Haha! Not entirely sure how an indiscriminate data breach affecting people of all hues turned into this but there you have it..
We wanted to go to a night that was aimed at those who like to stay in physical shape or society classes as "conventionally" attractive as that's our personal taste.
Apparently for some in the swinging world that's a negative. We have never said a negative word about those we don't find attractive, we don't bash people for going to nights we wouldn't attend, i.e. gay/bi/transgender nights, or hold a negative view on single guys in clubs. Odd that the people you'd expect to be the most tolerant of others are actually the most bigoted. Just goes to show there's a lot of ugly personalities hiding in some profiles.
But hey if you get your kicks in other peoples misery and misfortune, and if you can't accept other peoples preferences and physical appearance maybe you should take a look at yourself."Never underestimate the potential to offend people if you dare to gave preferences that exclude them! | |||
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"They just sent this out. It has been drawn to our attention at 9.30am on Monday Morning 12th February the error made in sending out the email regarding Chic@ Liberty Elite. This was quite simply human error and was totally unintentional. In the 18 years the club has been established this has never happened before as we regard personal privacy as paramount to the proper functioning of the club. We totally totally realise this will have caused some people distress and regrettably the only thing we can do at this time is offer our sincere and unreserved apology. We have already asked our technical advisors to investigate that they put in a fail-safe system to ensure this never happens again. Liberty Elite The single best thing any organisation could have done in this situation is report themselves to the ICO. An apology is meaningless " Ok so this may not resolve the situation but at least they are making people aware that they understand the error that they have made! So no it’s not meaningless. | |||
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" The single best thing any organisation could have done in this situation is report themselves to the ICO. An apology is meaningless " Since when has an apology been meaningless, a sincere apology is just that an apology, the email apologising states it was human error, we all make mistakes it’s part of being human and it’s a human politeness to apologise for a mistake. | |||
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" The single best thing any organisation could have done in this situation is report themselves to the ICO. An apology is meaningless Since when has an apology been meaningless, a sincere apology is just that an apology, the email apologising states it was human error, we all make mistakes it’s part of being human and it’s a human politeness to apologise for a mistake." | |||
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" The single best thing any organisation could have done in this situation is report themselves to the ICO. An apology is meaningless Since when has an apology been meaningless, a sincere apology is just that an apology, the email apologising states it was human error, we all make mistakes it’s part of being human and it’s a human politeness to apologise for a mistake. " | |||
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"Is it just people who went to Chic at Libs that are getting these emails? Because we've been to Libs and I most likely put a fake email (preventing me from getting an email) but our names would still be there. Can anyone confirm whether anyone got an email who hadn't been to Chic? I've been to Libs recently and had nothing. Suggest it's just the chic crowd as it was relevant only to them. I’m sure they will appreciate the sentiment of your update status
Haha! Not entirely sure how an indiscriminate data breach affecting people of all hues turned into this but there you have it..
We wanted to go to a night that was aimed at those who like to stay in physical shape or society classes as "conventionally" attractive as that's our personal taste.
Apparently for some in the swinging world that's a negative. We have never said a negative word about those we don't find attractive, we don't bash people for going to nights we wouldn't attend, i.e. gay/bi/transgender nights, or hold a negative view on single guys in clubs. Odd that the people you'd expect to be the most tolerant of others are actually the most bigoted. Just goes to show there's a lot of ugly personalities hiding in some profiles.
But hey if you get your kicks in other peoples misery and misfortune, and if you can't accept other peoples preferences and physical appearance maybe you should take a look at yourself.
Never underestimate the potential to offend people if you dare to gave preferences that exclude them!"Who's offended? Hey, I scrub up well for a guy who dresses as a girl. I could be elite if I wanted. My mum said so. | |||
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"I always give a private email . Never my surname or proper age . Common sense" Fake ID too ? | |||
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"Hey i think this has got out of hand now tbh it’s a slanging match between the club and said couple. the guests of the club shouldn’t need to be brought into it. it’s super unprofessional and really not happy that my personal details were released by the club to a shit load of people. " I think it’s been an interesting thread. The OP brought awareness, some people outed themselves as members and of the particular group. The club eventually replied. Not a club we’ve been to nor want to go to. The breach of privacy is just so unprofessional let alone the reason for the email in the first place. | |||
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"It is obvious from the threads on the forum regarding Chic @Libs that there may be some people who wish to have their details removed from our records. Firstly, we must reiterate our data-base of some 12000 properly held within the 1998 Data Protection Act was not compromised rather the limited information on a separate list we produced for CHIC. If you wish to have your details removed then in order to avoid malicious requests and comply with legislation please note you must either visit the club in person with Your ID or write to us at Liberty Elite, Libertys Hotel, Watling Street, Lutterworth LE17 4HU you must include your details and both parties to the original form must sign, the signatures matching those on our records. We will not accept email requests neither will we accept telephone requests. " Ahhhhhh so you're happy to use our data in a personal squabble breaching the data protection act but you'd like us all to follow the correct procedure to remove it from your secure database??? Seems perfectly reasonable to me!
I don't hold any grudge with your club and have enjoyed our visits but the manner in which you have conducted yourselves has put us off ever visiting again. We genuinely don't want to see any club fail or suffer but you need to learn from this in a major way and explain why you thought it was reasonable to email clients personally in the first place!!!
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"It is obvious from the threads on the forum regarding Chic @Libs that there may be some people who wish to have their details removed from our records. Firstly, we must reiterate our data-base of some 12000 properly held within the 1998 Data Protection Act was not compromised rather the limited information on a separate list we produced for CHIC. If you wish to have your details removed then in order to avoid malicious requests and comply with legislation please note you must either visit the club in person with Your ID or write to us at Liberty Elite, Libertys Hotel, Watling Street, Lutterworth LE17 4HU you must include your details and both parties to the original form must sign, the signatures matching those on our records. We will not accept email requests neither will we accept telephone requests. " An interesting use of words that anyone affected should screenshot. | |||
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"Hey i think this has got out of hand now tbh it’s a slanging match between the club and said couple. the guests of the club shouldn’t need to be brought into it. it’s super unprofessional and really not happy that my personal details were released by the club to a shit load of people. I think it’s been an interesting thread. The OP brought awareness, some people outed themselves as members and of the particular group. The club eventually replied. Not a club we’ve been to nor want to go to. The breach of privacy is just so unprofessional let alone the reason for the email in the first place. " Exactly they have preached about data protection then not even abided by it. As other people i don’t hold a grudge and do like the club but i think this is a massive negative impact. should always have been kept between them and the couple in question | |||
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"It is obvious from the threads on the forum regarding Chic @Libs that there may be some people who wish to have their details removed from our records. Firstly, we must reiterate our data-base of some 12000 properly held within the 1998 Data Protection Act was not compromised rather the limited information on a separate list we produced for CHIC. If you wish to have your details removed then in order to avoid malicious requests and comply with legislation please note you must either visit the club in person with Your ID or write to us at Liberty Elite, Libertys Hotel, Watling Street, Lutterworth LE17 4HU you must include your details and both parties to the original form must sign, the signatures matching those on our records. We will not accept email requests neither will we accept telephone requests. " Are you kidding me?! You've got the tone here completely wrong | |||
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"It is obvious from the threads on the forum regarding Chic @Libs that there may be some people who wish to have their details removed from our records. Firstly, we must reiterate our data-base of some 12000 properly held within the 1998 Data Protection Act was not compromised rather the limited information on a separate list we produced for CHIC. If you wish to have your details removed then in order to avoid malicious requests and comply with legislation please note you must either visit the club in person with Your ID or write to us at Liberty Elite, Libertys Hotel, Watling Street, Lutterworth LE17 4HU you must include your details and both parties to the original form must sign, the signatures matching those on our records. We will not accept email requests neither will we accept telephone requests. Are you kidding me?! You've got the tone here completely wrong "They’re free to represent themselves how they wish. You’re free to choose if you want to be a customer or not | |||
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"So what if it gave a full Christian and Surname, do the maths, 65.64 million at the last count in the UK..." Let Google or Facebook do the number crunching...how long before you start seeing some "interesting" candidates pop up in your "people you might know" list on Facebook. | |||
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"While we agree that it was an accident in terms of including people's names etc we do wonder why they felt the need to personally email people in the first place and if this is a legitimate use of the information held. We were under the impression this data was gathered solely for the purpose of entry and security and not to be part of a mailing list when the club had personal issues. And we do agree that procedures should be followed it just seems a little badly delivered from the club and a little double standards to tell people how to adhere to the dpa." Exactly | |||
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"It’s not like the didn’t abide by it on purpose so I wouldn’t say now following the correct procedures is preaching " | |||
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"I don't understand how it could be someone being malicious if an email is received from an email that the club holds on it's records. The only way that would be possible is if the person had the skills to hack said email account surely? Am I wrong in that?" Or the press as they do like to join in here on fab and put articles in the press. E.g swingfields efrenata and other events. so if some one on that list happens to actually be a memeber of say undercover press then that’s when it gets sticky especially people who have their normal emails or names as emails. hence the data protection that they state. how you don’t have to fear details being leaked etc x | |||
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"I don't understand how it could be someone being malicious if an email is received from an email that the club holds on it's records. The only way that would be possible is if the person had the skills to hack said email account surely? Am I wrong in that?" Quite, emails would be regarded 'in writing' within the scope. I have made data requests by email before. | |||
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"I'd just like to say, there are some fucking gorgeous people on this thread, hope this fuss see's you migrating north for your filth! "There really is. Apparently we're all posers and fake tits though | |||
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"I'd just like to say, there are some fucking gorgeous people on this thread, hope this fuss see's you migrating north for your filth!
There really is. Apparently we're all posers and fake tits though "Well iam proud of my fake tits | |||
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"I'd just like to say, there are some fucking gorgeous people on this thread, hope this fuss see's you migrating north for your filth!
There really is. Apparently we're all posers and fake tits though "I really wouldn't worry about people saying stuff like that. They're just jealous. x | |||
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"How else could it of been delivered it is obvious people want to remove there membership, they have sent out an apology now they have followed on from that with how to close your membership and are taking the correct procedures. It could of been wrote so many different ways and I’m sure it would of still been wrote wrong! I totally agree that the context of the email was not relevant in anyway and unfortunately this has come from that." Close their membership? I read it as remove their details from their database. | |||
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"It is obvious from the threads on the forum regarding Chic @Libs that there may be some people who wish to have their details removed from our records. Firstly, we must reiterate our data-base of some 12000 properly held within the 1998 Data Protection Act was not compromised rather the limited information on a separate list we produced for CHIC. If you wish to have your details removed then in order to avoid malicious requests and comply with legislation please note you must either visit the club in person with Your ID or write to us at Liberty Elite, Libertys Hotel, Watling Street, Lutterworth LE17 4HU you must include your details and both parties to the original form must sign, the signatures matching those on our records. We will not accept email requests neither will we accept telephone requests. " Interesting. I'm not in the affected group, but I'm watching closely. I appreciate that this was brought to wider attention. I've been to the club and such behavior worries me. "we must reiterate our data-base of some 12000 properly held within the 1998 Data Protection Act was not compromised rather the limited information on a separate list we produced for CHIC" That language interests me, however. You said earlier that you are looking into how to prevent this from ever happening again. Might I suggest that you NOT create seperate lists with people's full names and email addresses? Are you saying that when you decide to make these separate lists that you consider that information no longer protected? Interesting. If that's not what you meant, then I would be more careful with how you state things....or just stop commenting altogether. You're not helping yourselves. | |||
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"How else could it of been delivered it is obvious people want to remove there membership, they have sent out an apology now they have followed on from that with how to close your membership and are taking the correct procedures. It could of been wrote so many different ways and I’m sure it would of still been wrote wrong! I totally agree that the context of the email was not relevant in anyway and unfortunately this has come from that. Close their membership? I read it as remove their details from their database." Sorry yes remove data from the database but I’m sure the same applies to membership though | |||
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"I totally get peoples anger but what more can be done apart from apologies and ensure things are in place for this stupid silly mistake to never happen again. " I would imagine this is just the beginning in regard to an apparently serious breach of data protection. | |||
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" The single best thing any organisation could have done in this situation is report themselves to the ICO. An apology is meaningless Since when has an apology been meaningless, a sincere apology is just that an apology, the email apologising states it was human error, we all make mistakes it’s part of being human and it’s a human politeness to apologise for a mistake." The apology smacks of insincerity, only reinforced by the tone of Liberty Elite's subsequent post on the thread. I don;t believe for a minute that they have "technical advisers", like I say in my opinion there is only one suitable response from any company committing such a significant breach of DPA and that is report yourself to the ICO, admit it and ride it out. An email claiming to have refereed the matter to technical advisers just smacks of damage limitation and shows contempt tp all those angry and upset by the breach | |||
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" The single best thing any organisation could have done in this situation is report themselves to the ICO. An apology is meaningless Since when has an apology been meaningless, a sincere apology is just that an apology, the email apologising states it was human error, we all make mistakes it’s part of being human and it’s a human politeness to apologise for a mistake. The apology smacks of insincerity, only reinforced by the tone of Liberty Elite's subsequent post on the thread. I don;t believe for a minute that they have "technical advisers", like I say in my opinion there is only one suitable response from any company committing such a significant breach of DPA and that is report yourself to the ICO, admit it and ride it out. An email claiming to have refereed the matter to technical advisers just smacks of damage limitation and shows contempt tp all those angry and upset by the breach" | |||
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"While we agree that it was an accident in terms of including people's names etc we do wonder why they felt the need to personally email people in the first place and if this is a legitimate use of the information held. We were under the impression this data was gathered solely for the purpose of entry and security and not to be part of a mailing list when the club had personal issues. And we do agree that procedures should be followed it just seems a little badly delivered from the club and a little double standards to tell people how to adhere to the dpa." To quote Vic & Bob 'You Wouldn't Let It Lie' | |||
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" The single best thing any organisation could have done in this situation is report themselves to the ICO. An apology is meaningless Since when has an apology been meaningless, a sincere apology is just that an apology, the email apologising states it was human error, we all make mistakes it’s part of being human and it’s a human politeness to apologise for a mistake. The apology smacks of insincerity, only reinforced by the tone of Liberty Elite's subsequent post on the thread. I don;t believe for a minute that they have "technical advisers", like I say in my opinion there is only one suitable response from any company committing such a significant breach of DPA and that is report yourself to the ICO, admit it and ride it out. An email claiming to have refereed the matter to technical advisers just smacks of damage limitation and shows contempt tp all those angry and upset by the breach" | |||
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"I am not affected by this but I’ve recently had cause to do some work alongside the DPA, although I’m not an expert. “Emotional Distress” is a real and valid contributor in assessing the severity of this data breach, it is likely this would be considered serious according to the principles laid out in the Act but it depends also on the volume of data. The previous poster is correct. There is only 1 appropriate course of action to report to the ICO. The club may well be further breaching terms of the privacy and electronic communications act by referring to anyone other than their named data compliance officer so it would make sense for them to refer the matter to their DPO and communicate privately rather than on this forum. PS an apology does not remedy the breach under the terms of the Act V x " Spot on. | |||
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