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photo ID what for? v2.0

By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

The old thread has reached it's capacity and had to be closed, Go back and find it because it's exciting fun and informative.

The premise is that giving your photo ID and personal details to a sex orientated swingers club could result in your personal life being splashed across the web with devastating results for you and your family and work life.

Many club owners and party guests have been quite forceful in the defence of their right to collect your data and keep it in a datsbase.

they have stated that you are safer.

A little bit yes. But

really, How does it keep everyone safer?

You are in a club, someone pulls you into a room and attacks you, Did your ID protect you?

In the very least it may help to identify your attacker after the fact, and it may even keep some from doing such a thing, but not all, because it is a well known fact most attackers are known to their victims. So do you still think being on a database will protect you?

We have heard it wrongly stated how a club has to be licenced even if you bring your own alcohol and thats why they want your life history.

We have heard that they are "Private members clubs" and as such they have to collect your data. Wrong.

a private members club is just that: A club for it's members run by it's members it must have a chairman and a committee of it's members that make the rules. Do you think the clubs you go to are still "Private members clubs"?

I refer you to the law societies website.

A private members club is an unincorporated association as opposed to limited company and does not have a separate legal personality.

The rules must say something about how the club is run and how decisions are made and about who appoints the chairman and members of the committee.

So do those clubs that claim to be such clubs even know what type of business they are running? worrying.

We have heard about the Data protection act and how one club owner admits to breaking that law by using the information for a purpose it was not intended for. They check your social media pages using the information you supplied for ID! Now that is scary

If your data goes public..Your screwed!

If you give your private data and allow it to be on a database you are at risk!

There are no advantages to you, None.

Clubs may be able to use it for marketing and similar, but that is to the clubs advantage, not yours.

No I am not anti club, No I do not think that any club owner will willingly or knowingly sell or misuse your data

Yes I think that the vast majority of club owners are decent people who provide us with places to meet and mingle.

I just think that they collect unnececary data which puts you at risk.

Have fun and keep safe XX

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By *litterbabeWoman over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

In your opinion, for what reasons do they collect the data for then?

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By *izzy.Woman over a year ago

Stoke area

Clubs may be able to use it for marketing and similar, but that is to the clubs advantage, not yours.

This is what the OP thinks.

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

many reasons, As I stated maybe it's for marketing and such. Maybe they are under the mistaken belief that are obliged to as the think they are running a private members club I dont honestly know why they collect your data.

You will see that in some circumstances collecting your data IS required Licenced premises and local authority rules etc.

But are they collecting to much? I wonder what the minimum is that they have to collect? More research needed..lol

Just because I'm paranoid dosn't mean they are not out to get you! Keep safe X

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

it's funny people are stupid to think

how giving ur kik name isn't safe but giving ur full name all details licences, address ,to some one is safe

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By *taffs_hotwifeCouple over a year ago

Wolverhampton

The biggest worry for me is not the actual act of requesting your details it’s the worry that they may be hacked, lost or not protected properly, a little like the Ashley Madison case a few years ago.

As has been said before this could have catostophic effects on some families.

One of my biggest fears is my family finding out about our lifestyle.

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

"The biggest worry for me is not the actual act of requesting your details it’s the worry that they may be hacked, lost or not protected properly, a little like the Ashley Madison case a few years ago.

As has been said before this could have catostophic effects on some families.

One of my biggest fears is my family finding out about our lifestyle. "

Thank you Staffs hotwife. That is my greatest fear as well. And the reason I am trying to just make people think before giving away sensitive information and protect themselves as best they can.

Keep safe out there XX

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By *orticiaWoman over a year ago

Wirral

I actually can’t believe you’re still banging on about this!!!

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By *umpkinMan over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

The OP`s location says a lot!

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

No you dont like it that more people are now agreeing with me. I remember you

banging on about how you love to give away your information and I'm happy for you.

_umpkin are you a racist? Do you think Americans are stupid people? What has my location got to do with it?

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

I'm very sad that once again the best people can do to counter my argument is to resort to personal attacks and racist comments.

Keep safe out there xx

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By *ensualcouple99Couple over a year ago

Colchester

_umpkin are you a racist? Do you think Americans are stupid people? What has my location got to do with it?"

Your location may be indicative that the laws you face are different to the laws in the UK and the local authorities attitudes and laws to granting licences to different business premises.

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

_umpkin are you a racist? Do you think Americans are stupid people? What has my location got to do with it?

Your location may be indicative that the laws you face are different to the laws in the UK and the local authorities attitudes and laws to granting licences to different business premises. "

Do you believe that is what he meant?

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple over a year ago

Falkirk

We are in London this weekend and the club we are planning to attend has asked for a full length photo of both of us.

It does state it on there website however I can't see why a full length photo is required.

Most clubs ask for photo ID like a passport or driving licence.

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By *ensualcouple99Couple over a year ago

Colchester

_umpkin are you a racist? Do you think Americans are stupid people? What has my location got to do with it?

Your location may be indicative that the laws you face are different to the laws in the UK and the local authorities attitudes and laws to granting licences to different business premises.

Do you believe that is what he meant?"

Yes.

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By *dores blackmenWoman over a year ago

incognito mode ;-)

You have a strong oppinions on this op,I personally have one myself

In my nearest options of clubs/parties I can get to with no I'D required are private parties,curvy club and rio's

That restricts to a party held once every 8 weeks and a club in central London with no dancing etc

I never use to like showing ID when first in the scene

Now what has changed is life is for the living,I want to enjoy many different clubs and parties,to do that I show ID fill in forms,it's how it is,I'm not missing out anymore

If it comes out I'm on database for a swingers club,then I can deal with that,I'm not going to be sacked from my job or disowned by my family for enjoying going to swingers club,it's part of my life,I'm allowed to enjoy it

Having fun is not a crime I'm not going to live in fear of being found

People close to me know anyway

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By *ensualcouple99Couple over a year ago

Colchester

"We are in London this weekend and the club we are planning to attend has asked for a full length photo of both of us.

It does state it on there website however I can't see why a full length photo is required.

Most clubs ask for photo ID like a passport or driving licence.

Some clubs like to choose the people who attend their clubs by the way they look maybe. Similarly the admittance price of some clubs may attract different people too.

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

"You have a strong oppinions on this op,I personally have one myself

In my nearest options of clubs/parties I can get to with no I'D required are private parties,curvy club and rio's

That restricts to a party held once every 8 weeks and a club in central London with no dancing etc

I never use to like showing ID when first in the scene

Now what has changed is life is for the living,I want to enjoy many different clubs and parties,to do that I show ID fill in forms,it's how it is,I'm not missing out anymore

Having fun is not a crime I'm not going to live in fear of being found

People close to me know anyway

I am in complete agreement with you and it's a shame we have to take a big risk just to go out and have fun. Of course anyone who gets outed will have to deal with it. It's no secret I will never give copies of my private documents and so I am the one missing out on some great sounding places.

I don't think the risk is worth it.

I go to Curvy club, It's the best club I have ever attended and it is very safe and secure. We have probably met in there so I know you are a very nice person, Every one who goes is!

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By *inkyman1964Man over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

As has been said before this could have catostophic effects on some families.

One of my biggest fears is my family finding out about our lifestyle. "

As I have stated before I agree about the risks of being hacked but Ashley Madison on Sony being examples where they were after data for millions of people to make it worth the effort and risk. Do you know any licensed Swingers Club with millions of members?

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By *acnShellCouple over a year ago

Birmingham

A Private Members Club can be either an Unincorporated Association, or an Incorporated Association.

An Unincorporated Association is a small group of people getting together to form a club, putting in place membership rules and running the club on the basis of each person being fully involved, and liable. Its not a good choice for any club with property, or who employs staff. As members you would be viable for any debts should the club run into such.

An Incorporated Association is a Limited Company, run by someone out to make a profit. A company is started up, and abides by the rules of Companies House, HMRC, and the law of the land. The Directors are liable for any debts and members have no liability.

Most Swingers Clubs have undergone vast amounts of discussions with lawyers, councils and police to ascertain they can run as Private Members Clubs. They have invested vast amounts of money to open and run their businesses on the assurity of running a legal and above board business that won’t be shut down the next week.

Each club is “Private” ie not open to the public to walk in off the street.

Each Club has “Members” ie people who apply, and are accepted into the “Club”.

To be fully licenced for alcohol sales, every club must satisfy the following local bodies in their area. The Police, Fire and Rescue, Local Health Board, Local Council, Local Heath and Safety Agency, Local Planning Authority, Local Child Protection Organisation, Local Trading Standards, Home Office, and any other relevant licensing body operating in the area.

If everyone above is satisfied that all possible precautions are being taken to protect 4 very distinct areas. They are the prevention of Crime and Disorder, Public Safety, Prevention of Public Nuisance, and the Protection of Children from Harm.

How they satisfy the authorities mentioned above on each of these points is up to each club, and each licence will be issued based on those results. Fail to satisfy, the club won’t be approved.

Therefor it is up to the club to decide how they can match these requirements. By recording information on each member, ie name, age and address as a minimum they can assure the authorities they know who is on site, and who might be to blame should any incident occur. Adding sex into the equation makes this even more important. As pointed out, it might not stop an incident happening, but it does help considerably in catching the offender. It also acts as a considerable deterrent in the first place, anyone considering a sexual offence, might re-consider very quickly if their details are on file already!

The question now is which you’d prefer to attend. A club who has gone through all of the above hoops, and satisfied all of the associated bodies, who holds your information securely in compliance with ICO Data Protection, or, a building that allows anyone in, mixing alcohol and sex, without any checks whatsoever on age, or that knows who is involved in any incident that occurs.

Every legitimate club will openly state to you when you join, if you don’t want them to record your details in any form, please do not attend. If you wish to remain anonymous, please party elsewhere and good luck if anything happens to you.

The OP goes to Curvy Club. Curvy Club is not a club, its an event, held at a private house. No need to satisfy any of the above, unless of course they charge you to enter, in which case HMRC would be extremely interested to chat with the organisers. Don't fall down the stairs either, liability might be limited.

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By *heIcebreakersCouple over a year ago

Cramlington

"The old thread has reached it's capacity and had to be closed, Go back and find it because it's exciting fun and informative.

Many club owners and party guests have been quite forceful in the defence of their right to collect your data and keep it in a datsbase.

they have stated that you are safer.

A little bit yes. But

really, How does it keep everyone safer?

You are in a club, someone pulls you into a room and attacks you, Did your ID protect you?

We have heard it wrongly stated how a club has to be licenced even if you bring your own alcohol and thats why they want your life history.

We have heard that they are "Private members clubs" and as such they have to collect your data. Wrong.

I refer you to the law societies website.

A private members club is an unincorporated association as opposed to limited company and does not have a separate legal personality.

The rules must say something about how the club is run and how decisions are made and about who appoints the chairman and members of the committee.

So do those clubs that claim to be such clubs even know what type of business they are running? worrying.

If your data goes public..Your screwed!

If you give your private data and allow it to be on a database you are at risk!

There are no advantages to you, None.

Clubs may be able to use it for marketing and similar, but that is to the clubs advantage, not yours.

No I am not anti club, No I do not think that any club owner will willingly or knowingly sell or misuse your data

Yes I think that the vast majority of club owners are decent people who provide us with places to meet and mingle.

I just think that they collect unnececary data which puts you at risk.

Have fun and keep safe XX"
I don't want to come across as a pedant but you've made a classic Internet error in going to the Law Society (not law societies) website and quoting it as if it's authoritative.

As a generalization their definition of a private members club is useful but it's not congruent with the way a licensing officer or development control officer might use bit to distinguish between premises open to the public and those only open to a group or class of people.

Many private members clubs like the working mens club i drink in are both private members clubs and limited companies...

I think I get the point you are trying to make but you've proved a little google can be dangerous...

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

As far as I am aware, The law is the law

And that is what the law society or societies which is ever is the correct term clearly state.

I took the time to research before I posted to be sure my opinion was correct.

As you rightly say "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing"

Please show the evidence that what you are posting is correct. It may be all in the wording, Maybe and I dont know yet but maybe a members club will have no basis in law so can be a limited company. maybe you could also start an enterprise called Private members club Ltd. Although I'm being a bit silly with that lol

I think it's quite clear what the definition of a private members club is.

Take care xx

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

"A Private Members Club can be either an Unincorporated Association, or an Incorporated Association.

Each club is “Private” ie not open to the public to walk in off the street.

Each Club has “Members” ie people who apply, and are accepted into the “Club”.

How they satisfy the authorities mentioned above on each of these points is up to each club, and each licence will be issued based on those results. Fail to satisfy, the club won’t be approved.

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

So you are not talking about private members clubs but incorporated associations, Not the same thing at all.

I agree.

But most club owners are claiming to be private members clubs.

"An Incorporated Association is a Limited Company, run by someone out to make a profit. A company is started up, and abides by the rules of Companies House, HMRC, and the law of the land. The Directors are liable for any debts and members have no liability."

So it's no different from any limited company or private business.

Anyway whichever way you wish to present it, if I am right or wrong about private members clubs or not. I'm not it's proven, but anyway. It is a red herring.

You are at risk of exposure if your details are hacked, stolen or misused!

true?

Have fun and stay safe XX

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By *w214Couple over a year ago

Wirral

"So you are not talking about private members clubs but incorporated associations, Not the same thing at all.

I agree.

But most club owners are claiming to be private members clubs.

So it's no different from any limited company or private business.

Anyway whichever way you wish to present it, if I am right or wrong about private members clubs or not. I'm not it's proven, but anyway. It is a red herring.

You are at risk of exposure if your details are hacked, stolen or misused!

true?

Have fun and stay safe XX

Good god this is sooooo boring. Do you worry this much about everything?

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

"So you are not talking about private members clubs but incorporated associations, Not the same thing at all.

I agree.

But most club owners are claiming to be private members clubs.

So it's no different from any limited company or private business.

Anyway whichever way you wish to present it, if I am right or wrong about private members clubs or not. I'm not it's proven, but anyway. It is a red herring.

You are at risk of exposure if your details are hacked, stolen or misused!

true?

Have fun and stay safe XX

Good god this is sooooo boring. Do you worry this much about everything?"

Are you being forced to read this?

I will pass on some advice, If you dont like it, dont read it! Easy lol

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

Are you being forced to read this?

I will pass on some advice, If you dont like it, dont read it! Easy lol

Are you being forced to go to a club that requires ID? If you don't like it, don't go! Easy lol

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By *izzy.Woman over a year ago

Stoke area

Are you being forced to read this?

I will pass on some advice, If you dont like it, dont read it! Easy lol

Are you being forced to go to a club that requires ID? If you don't like it, don't go! Easy lol

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By *tasiaCouple over a year ago

West Bromwich

"A Private Members Club can be either an Unincorporated Association, or an Incorporated Association.

Each club is “Private” ie not open to the public to walk in off the street.

Each Club has “Members” ie people who apply, and are accepted into the “Club”.

How they satisfy the authorities mentioned above on each of these points is up to each club, and each licence will be issued based on those results. Fail to satisfy, the club won’t be approved.

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

Are you being forced to read this?

I will pass on some advice, If you dont like it, dont read it! Easy lol

Are you being forced to go to a club that requires ID? If you don't like it, don't go! Easy lol

I see that went over your head lol, That was just the same stating the obvious

that has been nearly a hallmark of this thread, And no I'm not going!

I am pointing out that if you do go think about the implications of being on a database, I know and so do you know where I stand.

Think carefully and stay safe xx

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By *taffs_hotwifeCouple over a year ago

Wolverhampton

As has been said before this could have catostophic effects on some families.

One of my biggest fears is my family finding out about our lifestyle.

Nothing to do with amounts of members. All it takes is a disgruntled person to hack in. I doubt your average swingers club has anywhere near the security as someone like Ashley Madison.

As I’ve said before I’m a member of many swingers clubs but I can see the argument on both sides.

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

As has been said before this could have catostophic effects on some families.

One of my biggest fears is my family finding out about our lifestyle.

Nothing to do with amounts of members. All it takes is a disgruntled person to hack in. I doubt your average swingers club has anywhere near the security as someone like Ashley Madison.

As I’ve said before I’m a member of many swingers clubs but I can see the argument on both sides."

yes and just imagine the risks, some clubs want copies of your driving licence, utility bills and even your car insurance! really, car insurance..

Not only are you at risk of exposure, you are at risk of full on identity theft,with all the horrors of your credit being ruined, you wont get a loan or a mortgage anything until it's sorted

and sorting it can be a long and expensive process.

Keep very safe out there xx

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

Non of our data is online - so no hack threat there.

Non of our digital data ever reaches a computer that has the ability to be online. - So no hack threat there.

Or digital data is kept on FIPS 197 certified and TAA compliant secure drive with ESET2 Anti virus. - no hack threat there.

We are properly registered with ICO - we have no interest in keeping data that you do not wish us to have - we do not charge for the removal of data.

We don't send surface post - we don't keep telephone numbers on the club phone - we don't pass telephone numbers to requests - we won't tell people who are in on a Saturday who was in on a Friday etc etc etc

Fancy your security of data going over our heads lol.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The old thread has reached it's capacity and had to be closed, Go back and find it because it's exciting fun and informative.

Many club owners and party guests have been quite forceful in the defence of their right to collect your data and keep it in a datsbase.

they have stated that you are safer.

A little bit yes. But

really, How does it keep everyone safer?

You are in a club, someone pulls you into a room and attacks you, Did your ID protect you?

We have heard it wrongly stated how a club has to be licenced even if you bring your own alcohol and thats why they want your life history.

We have heard that they are "Private members clubs" and as such they have to collect your data. Wrong.

I refer you to the law societies website.

A private members club is an unincorporated association as opposed to limited company and does not have a separate legal personality.

The rules must say something about how the club is run and how decisions are made and about who appoints the chairman and members of the committee.

So do those clubs that claim to be such clubs even know what type of business they are running? worrying.

If your data goes public..Your screwed!

If you give your private data and allow it to be on a database you are at risk!

There are no advantages to you, None.

Clubs may be able to use it for marketing and similar, but that is to the clubs advantage, not yours.

No I am not anti club, No I do not think that any club owner will willingly or knowingly sell or misuse your data

Yes I think that the vast majority of club owners are decent people who provide us with places to meet and mingle.

I just think that they collect unnececary data which puts you at risk.

Have fun and keep safe XX"

Simple answer don't visit clubs

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By *tasiaCouple over a year ago

West Bromwich

As has been said before this could have catostophic effects on some families.

One of my biggest fears is my family finding out about our lifestyle.

Nothing to do with amounts of members. All it takes is a disgruntled person to hack in. I doubt your average swingers club has anywhere near the security as someone like Ashley Madison.

As I’ve said before I’m a member of many swingers clubs but I can see the argument on both sides.

yes and just imagine the risks, some clubs want copies of your driving licence, utility bills and even your car insurance! really, car insurance..

Not only are you at risk of exposure, you are at risk of full on identity theft,with all the horrors of your credit being ruined, you wont get a loan or a mortgage anything until it's sorted

and sorting it can be a long and expensive process.

Keep very safe out there xx"

Please name the club that keeps copy of your car insurance. People can then ask them directly, why?

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

Please name the club that keeps copy of your car insurance. People can then ask them directly, why?"

I have just redone my car insurance and it's 10 pages double side lol.

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

yes and one poster has stated even huge corporations with an army of IT staff has not stopped it being hacked, He also said even the FBI was hacked!

I'm glad you are doing your best to protect you customers data. You should be applauded for that. I mean it.

Lets hope your physical data is as well protected in the event of a break in or a moments lapse in your care of these records.

I notice your post was not combative and I thank you for that. I am not attacking you either. I would love to visit your club and sure it is a well run and fun place to visit.

I'm sure this will not go over your head lol

keep safe XX

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

As has been said before this could have catostophic effects on some families.

One of my biggest fears is my family finding out about our lifestyle.

Nothing to do with amounts of members. All it takes is a disgruntled person to hack in. I doubt your average swingers club has anywhere near the security as someone like Ashley Madison.

As I’ve said before I’m a member of many swingers clubs but I can see the argument on both sides.

yes and just imagine the risks, some clubs want copies of your driving licence, utility bills and even your car insurance! really, car insurance..

Not only are you at risk of exposure, you are at risk of full on identity theft,with all the horrors of your credit being ruined, you wont get a loan or a mortgage anything until it's sorted

and sorting it can be a long and expensive process.

Keep very safe out there xx

Please name the club that keeps copy of your car insurance. People can then ask them directly, why?"

Sorry no name and shame...it's against the rules of this forum, just have a look around.

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By *lackbird1000Woman over a year ago

Birmingham

Are you being forced to read this?

I will pass on some advice, If you dont like it, dont read it! Easy lol

Are you being forced to go to a club that requires ID? If you don't like it, don't go! Easy lol

In uk any night club they ask you for ID . Imagine in a swingers club ! if they don't require an prove of ID , a under age person is court in the permises .Who would face charges ?

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

Who has a problem showing ID to check ages, not me.

I object to it being copied!

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By *lackbird1000Woman over a year ago

Birmingham

As has been said before this could have catostophic effects on some families.

One of my biggest fears is my family finding out about our lifestyle.

Nothing to do with amounts of members. All it takes is a disgruntled person to hack in. I doubt your average swingers club has anywhere near the security as someone like Ashley Madison.

As I’ve said before I’m a member of many swingers clubs but I can see the argument on both sides.

yes and just imagine the risks, some clubs want copies of your driving licence, utility bills and even your car insurance! really, car insurance..

Not only are you at risk of exposure, you are at risk of full on identity theft,with all the horrors of your credit being ruined, you wont get a loan or a mortgage anything until it's sorted

and sorting it can be a long and expensive process.

Keep very safe out there xx

Please name the club that keeps copy of your car insurance. People can then ask them directly, why?"

This is ridiculous many people never went to clubs ! They had their details stolen and a bank fraud etc ! In 5 years I never had a problem , no club ever contacted me or exposed me ! They a business like any other ! They must to coover they own back ! They are professional people who trying to make a living in a legal way !

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

"yes and one poster has stated even huge corporations with an army of IT staff has not stopped it being hacked, He also said even the FBI was hacked!

I'm glad you are doing your best to protect you customers data. You should be applauded for that. I mean it.

Lets hope your physical data is as well protected in the event of a break in or a moments lapse in your care of these records.

I notice your post was not combative and I thank you for that. I am not attacking you either. I would love to visit your club and sure it is a well run and fun place to visit.

I'm sure this will not go over your head lol

keep safe XX"

Lol. But we'd need to see ID.

I think that it would not be in any clubs interest to have data hacked stolen or whatever - but I am left with a feeling that a club perhaps cares a little less if they do not take ID - ID seldom protects you before the fact but it can have the effect of making a person who would 'behave badly' think twice about doing so because they know we have their ID recorded.

When we explain why we take ID most people will say 'well actually we are glad that you do'.

God forbid a time that anything would happen to someone in a club and the perpetrator not be traceable. I also suspect that the club would be in a lot of trouble with the authorities for not doing so.

Any establishment that has an Alcohol License has to have CCTV in every room and on the street covering entry and exit. Things aren't as anonymous as you might think they are. Also they have to have registered doormen. The Police have right of entry with appointment to any alcohol licensed premises.

While I applaud your concern - I think that you will find that clubs who take ID have though about it VERY carefully.

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

i'm sure most clubs do think about it very carefully and I'm pleased about that.

I never said any club was cavalier with your data, just that it is open to abuse.

Did you just say that clubs that are licenced have to have CCTV in every room?

even "Play rooms"

I must have misunderstood your post.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

"i'm sure most clubs do think about it very carefully and I'm pleased about that.

I never said any club was cavalier with your data, just that it is open to abuse.

Did you just say that clubs that are licenced have to have CCTV in every room?

even "Play rooms"

I must have misunderstood your post."

Yes. I did say that. Bars and clubs are required to have working recording CCTV in every room that a patron is allowed to buy or consume alcohol - if that transfers correctly that that would mean the same for swingers - as there is no particular separate laws governing swingers clubs with regard to sale and consumption of alcohol.

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By *tasiaCouple over a year ago

West Bromwich

"i'm sure most clubs do think about it very carefully and I'm pleased about that.

I never said any club was cavalier with your data, just that it is open to abuse.

Did you just say that clubs that are licenced have to have CCTV in every room?

even "Play rooms"

I must have misunderstood your post."

I nearly fell of my chair when i read that. No licencing does not specify CCTV in every room, that would be illegal in play rooms, they may advise or insist on cameras around the property, but never in play areas!

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

"i'm sure most clubs do think about it very carefully and I'm pleased about that.

I never said any club was cavalier with your data, just that it is open to abuse.

Did you just say that clubs that are licenced have to have CCTV in every room?

even "Play rooms"

I must have misunderstood your post.

A simple way to control that perhaps is to NOT allow alcohol consumption in playrooms (but even that might not get around it).

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

It sounds reasonable to me that if alcohol is not allowed in a certain area it should be exempt. But as you say, it will have to be tested in court to be sure.

You see you can learn a lot from this forum.

Keep safe xx

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

That may be local authority specific.

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

"i'm sure most clubs do think about it very carefully and I'm pleased about that.

I never said any club was cavalier with your data, just that it is open to abuse.

Did you just say that clubs that are licenced have to have CCTV in every room?

even "Play rooms"

I must have misunderstood your post.

God could you imagine? Now if clubs had cameras in playrooms that would give her something to create 2 threads over!! Lol It's brightening up a very dull day seeing this thread ramble on.... and on....and on..... oh it's still here. I'll go grab some popcorn and settle in for the night. Oh no hang on, I have a club to run. Damn and blast!

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By *tasiaCouple over a year ago

West Bromwich

"i'm sure most clubs do think about it very carefully and I'm pleased about that.

I never said any club was cavalier with your data, just that it is open to abuse.

Did you just say that clubs that are licenced have to have CCTV in every room?

even "Play rooms"

I must have misunderstood your post.

A simple way to control that perhaps is to NOT allow alcohol consumption in playrooms (but even that might not get around it).

Not sure where you're getting that from Cat. Alcohol Licencing Board can specify certain conditions on a premises if the need arises, such as regular fights or disturbances, so they can ask you to install CCTV at trouble points such as a door, or employ SIA door staff for example. I've never heard of a law that says you must have CCTV where drinks purchased or consumed. Have a look at this guide. http://licensingresource.co.uk/?q=news/revised-code-practice-cctv-licensed-premises

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

I'm out of date sorry . . .

Government restores 'privacy in pubs' by ending blanket CCTV ...

https://www.gov.uk/.../government-restores-privacy-in-pubs-by-ending-blanket-cctv-...

15 Jun 2013 - The change comes following concerns from pub landlords and the public that licensing authorities are making CCTV a legal condition of every pub ... Applications in relation to licensed premises must take into account the circumstances surrounding that application and whether a requirement to have a ...

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

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By *tasiaCouple over a year ago

West Bromwich

"I'm out of date sorry . . .

Government restores 'privacy in pubs' by ending blanket CCTV ...

https://www.gov.uk/.../government-restores-privacy-in-pubs-by-ending-blanket-cctv-...

Phew lol.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

See above Paul ^^^^

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

Phew!

that would have been the last straw for me lol

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

Sorry about the coffee stains on your knees at Townhouse and Xtasia lol . . .

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By *tasiaCouple over a year ago

West Bromwich

"Sorry about the coffee stains on your knees at Townhouse and Xtasia lol . . .

"
lol...always good to check.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

"I'm out of date sorry . . .

Government restores 'privacy in pubs' by ending blanket CCTV ...

https://www.gov.uk/.../government-restores-privacy-in-pubs-by-ending-blanket-cctv-...

*****************************************************

Just to reiterate . . . .

I'm out of date sorry . . .

Government restores 'privacy in pubs' by ending blanket CCTV ...

https://www.gov.uk/.../government-restores-privacy-in-pubs-by-ending-blanket-cctv-...

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

"Sorry about the coffee stains on your knees at Townhouse and Xtasia lol . . .

lol...always good to check.

I literally sat forward and shouted 'what the fuck?!' Hahahaha talk about stirring up a hornets nest!!!! Bloody hell lol

I'm sure you were just making sure we were paying attention? Pahaha xx

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

"Sorry about the coffee stains on your knees at Townhouse and Xtasia lol . . .

lol...always good to check.

I literally sat forward and shouted 'what the fuck?!' Hahahaha talk about stirring up a hornets nest!!!! Bloody hell lol

I'm sure you were just making sure we were paying attention? Pahaha xx"

My round when next we meet lol.

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By *heIcebreakersCouple over a year ago

Cramlington

"As far as I am aware, The law is the law

And that is what the law society or societies which is ever is the correct term clearly state.

I took the time to research before I posted to be sure my opinion was correct.

As you rightly say "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing"

I think it's quite clear what the definition of a private members club is.

Take care xx"
you took time to research but in the wrong place. Blanket claims that the law is the law are the stock in trade of barrack room lawyers and keyboard warriors the world over. So is your failure to address my substantive point that the same words mean different things in different contexts.

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

I have just had a good idea, One which may satisfy everyone, Inspired by something _atevolution said.

Why not give you licence to a club when you enter, They can lock them up some where (Not copy it) and you can get it back when you leave.

That way they know who is in the club, safety would be just as effective.

What about that for a compromise?

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

"As far as I am aware, The law is the law

And that is what the law society or societies which is ever is the correct term clearly state.

I took the time to research before I posted to be sure my opinion was correct.

As you rightly say "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing"

I think it's quite clear what the definition of a private members club is.

Take care xxyou took time to research but in the wrong place. Blanket claims that the law is the law are the stock in trade of barrack room lawyers and keyboard warriors the world over. So is your failure to address my substantive point that the same words mean different things in different contexts."

Please show me your evidence. If you have no evidence your just another joe with an opinion. You say I looked in the wrong place, Show me the correct place and I'll have a look at it.

As I said earlier, I dont really care what type of business your running, If you have a database it makes no difference, Your database is at risk of being breached. is that not a fact?

Is it also not a fact that if you are not on a database you are at no risk if that database gets hacked in some way?

Is that not true as well?

At the end of the day, when all is said and done is that not the truth?

Keep safe out there XX

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By *inkyman1964Man over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

"As far as I am aware, The law is the law

And that is what the law society or societies which is ever is the correct term clearly state.

I took the time to research before I posted to be sure my opinion was correct.

As you rightly say "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing"

I think it's quite clear what the definition of a private members club is.

Please show me your evidence. If you have no evidence your just another joe with an opinion. You say I looked in the wrong place, Show me the correct place and I'll have a look at it.

As I said earlier, I dont really care what type of business your running, If you have a database it makes no difference, Your database is at risk of being breached. is that not a fact?

Is it also not a fact that if you are not on a database you are at no risk if that database gets hacked in some way?

Is that not true as well?

At the end of the day, when all is said and done is that not the truth?

Keep safe out there XX"

But you are happy to be on the FabSwingers database? Bigger than any Club database.

Also, I am sure the authorities will be delighted to possibly being alerted to unlicensed clubs, unpaid taxes etc.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As far as I am aware, The law is the law

And that is what the law society or societies which is ever is the correct term clearly state.

I took the time to research before I posted to be sure my opinion was correct.

As you rightly say "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing"

I think it's quite clear what the definition of a private members club is.

Please show me your evidence. If you have no evidence your just another joe with an opinion. You say I looked in the wrong place, Show me the correct place and I'll have a look at it.

As I said earlier, I dont really care what type of business your running, If you have a database it makes no difference, Your database is at risk of being breached. is that not a fact?

Is it also not a fact that if you are not on a database you are at no risk if that database gets hacked in some way?

Is that not true as well?

At the end of the day, when all is said and done is that not the truth?

Keep safe out there XX"

Can we just leave this as those who chose to go to a club where ID is required and those that chose not to or prefer to go to an event that’s not insured like “Curvy Club”do so under their own free will.

Everything on this thread has already been said endless times and also in the previous thread!

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

"A Private Members Club can be either an Unincorporated Association, or an Incorporated Association.

Each club is “Private” ie not open to the public to walk in off the street.

Each Club has “Members” ie people who apply, and are accepted into the “Club”.

How they satisfy the authorities mentioned above on each of these points is up to each club, and each licence will be issued based on those results. Fail to satisfy, the club won’t be approved.

The one post which has made the most sense and it's been ignored.... hmmmmmmmmm

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

De ja vue, all over again mr Kinkyman!

Did we not bring this up before?

And yes, We are all at risk on this site,

and Yes I have given them my credit card so they can put a name to a profile name.

And yes I weighed the risk.

I took the view that Fab is a professionally run business. they are a web business only. and that they have advanced enhanced security.

Yes I am at risk. I try to minimise risk based on the organisation I am dealing with. Do you think a small company like a swingers club has the resources of a large corporation who spends thousands if not more on security, and still get hacked?

Maintaining a database is not a core activity of a swingers club. Do you suppose they are as careful as a business that relies only on the web to make money?

I do go on..lol Keep safe xx

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By *inkyman1964Man over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

"De ja vue, all over again mr Kinkyman!

Did we not bring this up before?

And yes, We are all at risk on this site,

and Yes I have given them my credit card so they can put a name to a profile name.

And yes I weighed the risk.

I took the view that Fab is a professionally run business. they are a web business only. and that they have advanced enhanced security.

Maintaining a database is not a core activity of a swingers club. Do you suppose they are as careful as a business that relies only on the web to make money?

I do go on..lol Keep safe xx"

You mean as safe as online business like Sony, Microsoft, Ashley Madison, lots banks, large businesses and government organizations get hacked, Swingers Clubs are small fry and less likely to be a target.

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

"De ja vue, all over again mr Kinkyman!

Did we not bring this up before?

And yes, We are all at risk on this site,

and Yes I have given them my credit card so they can put a name to a profile name.

And yes I weighed the risk.

I took the view that Fab is a professionally run business. they are a web business only. and that they have advanced enhanced security.

Maintaining a database is not a core activity of a swingers club. Do you suppose they are as careful as a business that relies only on the web to make money?

I do go on..lol Keep safe xx

Not forgetting the NHS hack in May which exposed sensitive patient data, which could also affect employment?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A Private Members Club can be either an Unincorporated Association, or an Incorporated Association.

Each club is “Private” ie not open to the public to walk in off the street.

Each Club has “Members” ie people who apply, and are accepted into the “Club”.

How they satisfy the authorities mentioned above on each of these points is up to each club, and each licence will be issued based on those results. Fail to satisfy, the club won’t be approved.

The one post which has made the most sense and it's been ignored.... hmmmmmmmmm

Exactly!

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

Mr Kinkyman. You may be right, Not so juicy a target, But still a target. Especially if as staffs said they have some beef with the club.

Town house, No I have answered twice on that topic, Go back and have a look.

I am apparently a barrack room lawyer and a keyboard warrior. And I should not believe what the law society publish about Private members clubs. I am waiting for some joes with an opinion to get back to me.

However I dont care! the whole private members club thing was an answer to a specific post.

once again...It makes no difference what type of organisation holds your data, Hackers dont care I dont care. You are equally at risk.

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By *heIcebreakersCouple over a year ago

Cramlington

"As far as I am aware, The law is the law

And that is what the law society or societies which is ever is the correct term clearly state.

I took the time to research before I posted to be sure my opinion was correct.

As you rightly say "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing"

I think it's quite clear what the definition of a private members club is.

Please show me your evidence. If you have no evidence your just another joe with an opinion. You say I looked in the wrong place, Show me the correct place and I'll have a look at it.

As I said earlier, I dont really care what type of business your running, If you have a database it makes no difference, Your database is at risk of being breached. is that not a fact?

Is it also not a fact that if you are not on a database you are at no risk if that database gets hacked in some way?

Is that not true as well?

At the end of the day, when all is said and done is that not the truth?

Keep safe out there XX"
for the purposes of licensing, which is where I came in the definition of a club is in part 4 of the licensing act 2003. I've tried being polite about this but frankly you're making a bit of a fool of yourself with black and white assertions thar you are right and everyone else must prove you wrong.

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

"Mr Kinkyman. You may be right, Not so juicy a target, But still a target. Especially if as staffs said they have some beef with the club.

Town house, No I have answered twice on that topic, Go back and have a look.

However I dont care! the whole private members club thing was an answer to a specific post.

once again...It makes no difference what type of organisation holds your data, Hackers dont care I dont care. You are equally at risk.

Ok well if you don't care, shall all leave it there then as an agree to disagree and a subject done to death? Thanks for the entertainment, it killed a bit of time and got a few feathers fluffed. Thank you!! Lol

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By *aydeesclubCouple over a year ago

Bedfordshire

Us at Jaydees are ICO registered, all ID is protected. Supply us with your ID you can come along ........ no ID dont bother, just go somewhere else, simple.

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

"As far as I am aware, The law is the law

And that is what the law society or societies which is ever is the correct term clearly state.

I took the time to research before I posted to be sure my opinion was correct.

As you rightly say "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing"

I think it's quite clear what the definition of a private members club is.

Please show me your evidence. If you have no evidence your just another joe with an opinion. You say I looked in the wrong place, Show me the correct place and I'll have a look at it.

As I said earlier, I dont really care what type of business your running, If you have a database it makes no difference, Your database is at risk of being breached. is that not a fact?

Is it also not a fact that if you are not on a database you are at no risk if that database gets hacked in some way?

Is that not true as well?

At the end of the day, when all is said and done is that not the truth?

Keep safe out there XXfor the purposes of licensing, which is where I came in the definition of a club is in part 4 of the licensing act 2003. I've tried being polite about this but frankly you're making a bit of a fool of yourself with black and white assertions thar you are right and everyone else must prove you wrong."

oh dear, we should really let this drop it is going round in circles now. Licensing is not the point of this thread. The point of this thread is that if you give your details to anyone for a database you are risk of that database becoming public, for lots of reasons.

I'm also sure that as Jaydees has just stated they are doing everything to try and protect your data. I do not believe nor have I stated that club owners are evil and are going to expose you.

Why would they? It would be the kiss of death for that business. But these things do happen all the time. As the good mr kinkyman and other posters have said.

Just think and try to be as safe as possible. x

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By *orticiaWoman over a year ago

Wirral

As has been said before this could have catostophic effects on some families.

One of my biggest fears is my family finding out about our lifestyle.

Thank you Staffs hotwife. That is my greatest fear as well. And the reason I am trying to just make people think before giving away sensitive information and protect themselves as best they can.

Keep safe out there XX"

Yep - because that could never happen on Fab could it.

Hacker “so, shall I hack an international website with tens of thousands of users, where I got data AND compromising photos, or target the little club that’s got a few hundred users & no photos other than a drivers license or passport”

Tough choice!!

Fab is a much bigger rush for this than any club - but whatever!!

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

Sorry guys I have read through section 4 and it's quite a read, Anal or what!

It seems the law society is correct in their definition of a private members club. These clubs are typically golf clubs or modellers clubs things like that. and we all know about golf clubs commitee's

The only section I could find close to that is as follows:

Industrial and provident societies, friendly societies etc.

(1)Subsection (2) applies in relation to any club which is—

(a)a registered society, within the meaning of the Industrial and Provident Societies Act 1965 (c. 12)(see section 74(1) of that Act),

(b)a registered society, within the meaning of the Friendly Societies Act 1974 (c. 46) (see section 111(1) of that Act), or

(c)a registered friendly society, within the meaning of the Friendly Societies Act 1992 (c. 40) (see section 116 of that Act).

And I dont think any of the relevant clubs fall into this.

I could go copy and paste a lot more in support but I dont think anyone is remotely interested in legal defininition of clubs, Just so as not to appear foolish while I was waiting for your reply and practicing your polite description of me as a barrack room lawyer and keyboard warrior. (Is that an insult? seems quite dashing to me lol)

Anyway! IT does not matter which kind of legal entity your data gets stolen from.

The result is the same

Keep safeX

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

As has been said before this could have catostophic effects on some families.

One of my biggest fears is my family finding out about our lifestyle.

Thank you Staffs hotwife. That is my greatest fear as well. And the reason I am trying to just make people think before giving away sensitive information and protect themselves as best they can.

Keep safe out there XX

Yep - because that could never happen on Fab could it.

Tough choice!!

Fab is a much bigger rush for this than any club - but whatever!!

Did you smell blood then Morticia?

Calm down dear, I knew in advance of posting my honest reply that it would be used against me, Do I seem simple to you?

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

Omg!!! I took you seriously until you said 'dear'. Lol

I HATE the word when it is used in such a condescending manner on such a forum. So the argument is now lost on me and I'm out. Got a business to run yanno? Lol

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By *orticiaWoman over a year ago

Wirral

The only blood I can smell is from the nosebleed that this thread is giving me!!

You crack on with your conspiracy theories my lovely, while the rest of us crack on with having a life!

Toodles!

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By *inkyman1964Man over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

"Sorry guys I have read through section 4 and it's quite a read, Anal or what!

The only section I could find close to that is as follows:

Industrial and provident societies, friendly societies etc.

(1)Subsection (2) applies in relation to any club which is—

(a)a registered society, within the meaning of the Industrial and Provident Societies Act 1965 (c. 12)(see section 74(1) of that Act),

(b)a registered society, within the meaning of the Friendly Societies Act 1974 (c. 46) (see section 111(1) of that Act), or

(c)a registered friendly society, within the meaning of the Friendly Societies Act 1992 (c. 40) (see section 116 of that Act).

And I dont think any of the relevant clubs fall into this.

Anyway! IT does not matter which kind of legal entity your data gets stolen from.

The result is the same

Keep safeX"

Exactly, golf clubs with members and a bar count as the same as Swingers Clubs with members and a bar. No difference in the eye of the law.

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By *inkyman1964Man over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

"Mr Kinkyman. You may be right, Not so juicy a target, But still a target. Especially if as staffs said they have some beef with the club.

Town house, No I have answered twice on that topic, Go back and have a look.

However I dont care! the whole private members club thing was an answer to a specific post.

once again...It makes no difference what type of organisation holds your data, Hackers dont care I dont care. You are equally at risk.

You are not equally at risk, time and effort for little reward hacking a Swingers Club or time hacking elsewhere with potentially a jackpot of rewards. Where would you go?

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By *izzy.Woman over a year ago

Stoke area

What a delightful and interesting post this has been with several club owners and interested parties all chipping in. Can we call it a day now. I think we all know the OP has concerns about safety of information held by club's and the club's have all explained why they keep the data, and how they are very aware of how important it is to keep this information secure.

Thanks OP for making us consider if we club goers are prepared to take the risk to hand over our name and address to the clubs.

We are all adults. So can we just let people make their own decisions about which, if any club they attend.

Get your popcorn ready. I have a feeling the OP will want to keep this thread running and running.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Us at Jaydees are ICO registered, all ID is protected. Supply us with your ID you can come along ........ no ID dont bother, just go somewhere else, simple.

How long do you keep ID details for? How is it protected and stored?

- Same question to all the other clubs that have posted.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The old thread has reached it's capacity and had to be closed, Go back and find it because it's exciting fun and informative.

Many club owners and party guests have been quite forceful in the defence of their right to collect your data and keep it in a datsbase.

they have stated that you are safer.

A little bit yes. But

really, How does it keep everyone safer?

You are in a club, someone pulls you into a room and attacks you, Did your ID protect you?

I just think that they collect unnececary data which puts you at risk.

Have fun and keep safe XX"

Agree.

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

"Sorry guys I have read through section 4 and it's quite a read, Anal or what!

The only section I could find close to that is as follows:

Industrial and provident societies, friendly societies etc.

(1)Subsection (2) applies in relation to any club which is—

(a)a registered society, within the meaning of the Industrial and Provident Societies Act 1965 (c. 12)(see section 74(1) of that Act),

(b)a registered society, within the meaning of the Friendly Societies Act 1974 (c. 46) (see section 111(1) of that Act), or

(c)a registered friendly society, within the meaning of the Friendly Societies Act 1992 (c. 40) (see section 116 of that Act).

And I dont think any of the relevant clubs fall into this.

Anyway! IT does not matter which kind of legal entity your data gets stolen from.

The result is the same

Keep safeX

Exactly, golf clubs with members and a bar count as the same as Swingers Clubs with members and a bar. No difference in the eye of the law. "

sorry, I dont know of any swingers clubs that have a chairman and commitee who make the rules, such as a golf club.

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By *izzy.Woman over a year ago

Stoke area

"Us at Jaydees are ICO registered, all ID is protected. Supply us with your ID you can come along ........ no ID dont bother, just go somewhere else, simple.

How long do you keep ID details for? How is it protected and stored?

- Same question to all the other clubs that have posted. "

Why don't you contact the club you plan to go to and ask them directly? Instead of asking the ones who have replied here . If you read through both threads, several club's have already talked about this

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

"What a delightful and interesting post this has been with several club owners and interested parties all chipping in. Can we call it a day now. I think we all know the OP has concerns about safety of information held by club's and the club's have all explained why they keep the data, and how they are very aware of how important it is to keep this information secure.

Thanks OP for making us consider if we club goers are prepared to take the risk to hand over our name and address to the clubs.

We are all adults. So can we just let people make their own decisions about which, if any club they attend.

Get your popcorn ready. I have a feeling the OP will want to keep this thread running and running....."

i'm going for the all time record Lizzy,

I am enjoying it very much that's true, You'll all be relieved when I have to go back to work, But I bet you will miss me then....like a hole in the head...lol

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By *iss_Samantha_LovecockTV/TS over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford

our right to privacy is disappearing at an alarming rate ..smart fones are just surveillance devices ..

if and when swinging becomes illegal ..which might not be too far away

..we're all be rounded up an be arrested for deviant and perverted behaviour ..pity we didnt do something about it when we had the chance.

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

i know miss lovecock, it is scary.

It's a funny thing but I'm getting to like you Lizzy, although we'll never agree with each other!

i'm also liking mr kinkyman for some reason, I look forward to his posts.

Even some of the club owners are being nice to me now as well, If you keep being nice I wont want to argue with you anymore, so cut it out!

And if Morticia starts warming up...I'm out of here...lol

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By *inkyman1964Man over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

" our right to privacy is disappearing at an alarming rate ..smart fones are just surveillance devices ..

if and when swinging becomes illegal ..which might not be too far away

..we're all be rounded up an be arrested for deviant and perverted behaviour ..pity we didnt do something about it when we had the chance. "

With all the politicians involved in sex scandals do you they they pass laws banning what they enjoy?

More likely crack down on illegal, unlicensed clubs that don't ask for ID and possibly don't declare income or pay tax.

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By *inkyman1964Man over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

"i know miss lovecock, it is scary.

It's a funny thing but I'm getting to like you Lizzy, although we'll never agree with each other!

i'm also liking mr kinkyman for some reason, I look forward to his posts.

Even some of the club owners are being nice to me now as well, If you keep being nice I wont want to argue with you anymore, so cut it out!

And if Morticia starts warming up...I'm out of here...lol

Always like a good debate, but you are still in danger doing anything online, being a member of a legal club is one of the lesser things to worry about.

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

"i know miss lovecock, it is scary.

It's a funny thing but I'm getting to like you Lizzy, although we'll never agree with each other!

i'm also liking mr kinkyman for some reason, I look forward to his posts.

Even some of the club owners are being nice to me now as well, If you keep being nice I wont want to argue with you anymore, so cut it out!

And if Morticia starts warming up...I'm out of here...lol

Always like a good debate, but you are still in danger doing anything online, being a member of a legal club is one of the lesser things to worry about. "

I was thinking about your theory that hackers would not be interested in small clubs, It's the big boys they are after.

I think for professional criminals you are right. I also think that if they hacked a site like this, you may get lost in the sheer mass of data, I think fab has 30000 members or so.

Staffs hot wife made an interesting point that if someone had a grudge against a club it would be a way to get your own back. As you know I have far too much time on my hands at present so had a poke around the dark web using a tor browser. for the average website it is surprisingly easy to make an attack, although I have not attempted to try it so it may be all b**sh*t.

If you would like to know more, message me.

For everyones information it is illegal to hack a website with severe penalties if you get caught. So dont even think about it.

Keep safe out there xx

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

"Mr Kinkyman. You may be right, Not so juicy a target, But still a target. Especially if as staffs said they have some beef with the club.

Town house, No I have answered twice on that topic, Go back and have a look.

However I dont care! the whole private members club thing was an answer to a specific post.

once again...It makes no difference what type of organisation holds your data, Hackers dont care I dont care. You are equally at risk.

You are not equally at risk, time and effort for little reward hacking a Swingers Club or time hacking elsewhere with potentially a jackpot of rewards. Where would you go? "

It would depend on my motivation, If I was looking for big $$$ I might go for the big guys,If I was that famous fat guy in his mothers back bedroom a swingers site with easier security than the big guys might be a very juicy target.

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

"I have just had a good idea, One which may satisfy everyone, Inspired by something _atevolution said.

Why not give you licence to a club when you enter, They can lock them up some where (Not copy it) and you can get it back when you leave.

That way they know who is in the club, safety would be just as effective.

What about that for a compromise?"

No one has a thought about this?

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By *inkyman1964Man over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

"Mr Kinkyman. You may be right, Not so juicy a target, But still a target. Especially if as staffs said they have some beef with the club.

Town house, No I have answered twice on that topic, Go back and have a look.

However I dont care! the whole private members club thing was an answer to a specific post.

once again...It makes no difference what type of organisation holds your data, Hackers dont care I dont care. You are equally at risk.

You are not equally at risk, time and effort for little reward hacking a Swingers Club or time hacking elsewhere with potentially a jackpot of rewards. Where would you go?

Juicy target for what? Better pictures and videos on porn sites even freely available without having to hack. Plenty of information on Facebook if you are interested and have time with hacking. Much easier and juicer targets.

On here there is more to worry about like journalists creating accounts for stories and not needing to hack anything!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Us at Jaydees are ICO registered, all ID is protected. Supply us with your ID you can come along ........ no ID dont bother, just go somewhere else, simple.

How long do you keep ID details for? How is it protected and stored?

- Same question to all the other clubs that have posted.

What's your problem?!

I haven't seen another thread.

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By *inkyman1964Man over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

"Us at Jaydees are ICO registered, all ID is protected. Supply us with your ID you can come along ........ no ID dont bother, just go somewhere else, simple.

How long do you keep ID details for? How is it protected and stored?

- Same question to all the other clubs that have posted.

What's your problem?!

I haven't seen another thread.

There was a previous thread, that's why this one is V2.0

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The old thread has reached it's capacity and had to be closed, Go back and find it because it's exciting fun and informative.

Many club owners and party guests have been quite forceful in the defence of their right to collect your data and keep it in a datsbase.

they have stated that you are safer.

A little bit yes. But

really, How does it keep everyone safer?

You are in a club, someone pulls you into a room and attacks you, Did your ID protect you?

We have heard it wrongly stated how a club has to be licenced even if you bring your own alcohol and thats why they want your life history.

We have heard that they are "Private members clubs" and as such they have to collect your data. Wrong.

I refer you to the law societies website.

A private members club is an unincorporated association as opposed to limited company and does not have a separate legal personality.

The rules must say something about how the club is run and how decisions are made and about who appoints the chairman and members of the committee.

So do those clubs that claim to be such clubs even know what type of business they are running? worrying.

If your data goes public..Your screwed!

If you give your private data and allow it to be on a database you are at risk!

There are no advantages to you, None.

Clubs may be able to use it for marketing and similar, but that is to the clubs advantage, not yours.

No I am not anti club, No I do not think that any club owner will willingly or knowingly sell or misuse your data

Yes I think that the vast majority of club owners are decent people who provide us with places to meet and mingle.

I just think that they collect unnececary data which puts you at risk.

Have fun and keep safe XX"

Anyone concerned, don't go to a club. Simples. Just meet others in a hotel or at your own house.

We've been to Infusion and our identities haven't been stolen, we haven't been attacked etc.. Doesn't bother us.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Us at Jaydees are ICO registered, all ID is protected. Supply us with your ID you can come along ........ no ID dont bother, just go somewhere else, simple.

How long do you keep ID details for? How is it protected and stored?

- Same question to all the other clubs that have posted.

What's your problem?!

I haven't seen another thread.

There was a previous thread, that's why this one is V2.0

Thank you.

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By *he Queen of TartsWoman over a year ago
Forum Mod

My Own Little World

"I have just had a good idea, One which may satisfy everyone, Inspired by something _atevolution said.

Why not give you licence to a club when you enter, They can lock them up some where (Not copy it) and you can get it back when you leave.

That way they know who is in the club, safety would be just as effective.

What about that for a compromise?"

that may help identify who is currently in the club but not who was in there 5 minutes previous when a problem occurred.

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By *inkyman1964Man over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

"I have just had a good idea, One which may satisfy everyone, Inspired by something _atevolution said.

Why not give you licence to a club when you enter, They can lock them up some where (Not copy it) and you can get it back when you leave.

That way they know who is in the club, safety would be just as effective.

What about that for a compromise?

that may help identify who is currently in the club but not who was in there 5 minutes previous when a problem occurred."

That doesn't help the Club stay within the law and local councils with the need to keep membership records?

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By *izzy.Woman over a year ago

Stoke area

"I have just had a good idea, One which may satisfy everyone, Inspired by something _atevolution said.

Why not give you licence to a club when you enter, They can lock them up some where (Not copy it) and you can get it back when you leave.

That way they know who is in the club, safety would be just as effective.

What about that for a compromise?

that may help identify who is currently in the club but not who was in there 5 minutes previous when a problem occurred."

Also, people going out in the little black dress or skimpy outfit, and their special club handbag, won't always remember to transfer their driving licence into the bag each visit.

How about the people getting home and realising they forgot to pick up their licence.

Filling in a membership form once and knowing it is kept securely is much easier for most people.

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

"I have just had a good idea, One which may satisfy everyone, Inspired by something _atevolution said.

Why not give you licence to a club when you enter, They can lock them up some where (Not copy it) and you can get it back when you leave.

That way they know who is in the club, safety would be just as effective.

What about that for a compromise?

that may help identify who is currently in the club but not who was in there 5 minutes previous when a problem occurred.

Also, people going out in the little black dress or skimpy outfit, and their special club handbag, won't always remember to transfer their driving licence into the bag each visit.

How about the people getting home and realising they forgot to pick up their licence.

Filling in a membership form once and knowing it is kept securely is much easier for most people. "

But it is much more dangerous for them to be on a database which could expose them to humiliation for them and their families.

And you are saying that the registration system system does not work in the properly ID clubs you visit?

Are you saying that you dont have to sign in and out because that is the only way it could be forgotten.

And if you dont have to sign in and out how do they know who is in the club and would this not blow out of the water everything you have been saying?

No Thanks. Anyone who gives all their private information and copies of personal documents to a small club with minimal security are asking for trouble and it's not a matter of "IF" it's "WHEN" Even mr kinkyman keeps posting that even the big boys with armies of IT consultants get hacked, Ashley Maddison,

Adult Friend Finder etc. And you will be a lot worse off, They have actual copies of your driving licence, utility bills and maybe even your car insurance policy. You wont have to worry about a bit of shame with your family, work or community when you get exposed, That will be the least of your worries, horrifying enough, but full on identity theft. They will have data on you to open a credit card, take out a loan, HP agreement and god knows what else. And the onus will be on those silly enough to have given away private and confidential information to a small as we say in the US " Ma and Pa" business with minimal security. I did not really want to say this but I have seen clubs posting "We have the best anti virus"

well so what! Anti virus is good for virus's but useless against a hack attack. That is not it's intended purpose, Even a firewall which is more a defence, will not save you. As Ashley Maddison et. Al. can testify.

Well I did wake up in a bad mood this morning lol.

Keep safe XX

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By *izzy.Woman over a year ago

Stoke area

I did not say anything about not signing in.

I did not say anything about club's registration ?

I was simply commenting on your idea of clubs wanting to keep your driving licence locked up when you visit and giving it back when you leave.

Go back to bed and try getting out the other side

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By *rs White OP Couple over a year ago

South

yes Lizzy sounds like a good idea.

I remember going to one club where they keep your car keys behind the counter as well, That would work surely?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not everyone drives

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By *heIcebreakersCouple over a year ago

Cramlington

"Sorry guys I have read through section 4 and it's quite a read, Anal or what!

The only section I could find close to that is as follows:

Industrial and provident societies, friendly societies etc.

(1)Subsection (2) applies in relation to any club which is—

(a)a registered society, within the meaning of the Industrial and Provident Societies Act 1965 (c. 12)(see section 74(1) of that Act),

(b)a registered society, within the meaning of the Friendly Societies Act 1974 (c. 46) (see section 111(1) of that Act), or

(c)a registered friendly society, within the meaning of the Friendly Societies Act 1992 (c. 40) (see section 116 of that Act).

And I dont think any of the relevant clubs fall into this.

Anyway! IT does not matter which kind of legal entity your data gets stolen from.

The result is the same

Keep safeX"
you proved you know nothing about the law by quoting a non-authoritative source, whose name you couldn't even get right. Sources of law is a really fun topic for first year undergrads or as a module in lesser qualifications.

I have no issue with you coming on here spouting paranoid bollocks about hacking but the pretentious way you've dressed it up with pseudo legal language and bad quotes from websites you've Googled is a waste of bandwidth.