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" Is swinging really for you?" No. Swinging is not for a lot of people. They pollute this site with their timewasting/indecisive/drink fueled antics. There is a couple I meet here semi regularly. Perfectly decent people but they almost always ask me if I have any before we meet up. The wife disappears half way through the meet sometime too. I sit there and ask myself whether they really actually enjoy this activity at all anyway??? People gave me shit for not being too keen on those who would talk to you without any intention of playing. Now, yes, I understand the environment can be intimidating and plenty of people like the social side. But if you're really coming to a swingers club, not actually partaking in any swinging and, when you do, needing to become piss d*unk to do it...are u really even enjoying it??? | |||
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"I posted about this last Sunday but didn't name the clubs involved but Chams was the worst and we complained as we left. Complete liability. I don't know why any club would allow this. As well as being embarrassing nuisances they are at risk of injuring themselves and open to non consensual sex. Just wrong. Every visit there's always at least one d*unk or stinking of stale booze. " Interestingly enough, I dont hear this happening as much in Xtasia. It also seems like Xtasia is a far more play centric club. Could be wrong...but thats the impression I get. The same with VA. I think new/unusual sexual experiences are probably best attempted without a lot of liquid courage. | |||
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"I can't drink if I want to have pokey times, I get brewer's droop quite easily and even if I don't I just can't get to the vinegar strokes. " How attractive is this????? | |||
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"I can't drink if I want to have pokey times, I get brewer's droop quite easily and even if I don't I just can't get to the vinegar strokes. How attractive is this????? " I'm sorry, I didn't realise I was in the forums to be attractive to you | |||
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"The comment above, is an intresting one. Have seen far more couples on drugs in clubs, where concent was a concern than those drinking. Though these days we spend more time in club now, with wiggles behind the bar and me showing folk around and keeping an eye out than just playing. So we get to socialize more and know who is drinking or not. Once had a lady who was on pass out and her partner just said "carry on" we declined.. never had similar with drinking. Did fall down stairs at chams once though lol, but that was more s case of hottub + booze = bad.. went from merry to holly fuck im d*unk very fast.. wiggles took the piss out of me and I missed a great play session " There seems to be tons of drug use and bareback sex in clubs and yet people come on forums and like to act morally indignant whenever someone makes a thread about them. I mean, I dont even think a sex club would work without a little alcohol but if you cant control your liquor then I tend to assume one probably can hardly control their cock/pussy either. | |||
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"I can't drink if I want to have pokey times, I get brewer's droop quite easily and even if I don't I just can't get to the vinegar strokes. How attractive is this????? " Includes 3 quotes I haven't heard since school | |||
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"I can't drink if I want to have pokey times, I get brewer's droop quite easily and even if I don't I just can't get to the vinegar strokes. How attractive is this????? I'm sorry, I didn't realise I was in the forums to be attractive to you " I meant the words....! | |||
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" There seems to be tons of drug use and bareback sex in clubs and yet people come on forums and like to act morally indignant whenever someone makes a thread about them. I mean, I dont even think a sex club would work without a little alcohol but if you cant control your liquor then I tend to assume one probably can hardly control their cock/pussy either. " you are undermining the point you are trying to make by comparing bareback sex and drug use in the same point.... last time i checked, bareback sex isn't illegal (that is up to the people concerned) drug use is! | |||
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"The comment above, is an intresting one. Have seen far more couples on drugs in clubs, where concent was a concern than those drinking. Though these days we spend more time in club now, with wiggles behind the bar and me showing folk around and keeping an eye out than just playing. So we get to socialize more and know who is drinking or not. Once had a lady who was on pass out and her partner just said "carry on" we declined.. never had similar with drinking. Did fall down stairs at chams once though lol, but that was more s case of hottub + booze = bad.. went from merry to holly fuck im d*unk very fast.. wiggles took the piss out of me and I missed a great play session There seems to be tons of drug use and bareback sex in clubs and yet people come on forums and like to act morally indignant whenever someone makes a thread about them. I mean, I dont even think a sex club would work without a little alcohol but if you cant control your liquor then I tend to assume one probably can hardly control their cock/pussy either. " Indeed control is a good thing, we normally only drink to a certain point and when d*unk only play with eachother. The drink pluss hottub effect was an intresting lesson. | |||
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" There seems to be tons of drug use and bareback sex in clubs and yet people come on forums and like to act morally indignant whenever someone makes a thread about them. I mean, I dont even think a sex club would work without a little alcohol but if you cant control your liquor then I tend to assume one probably can hardly control their cock/pussy either. you are undermining the point you are trying to make by comparing bareback sex and drug use in the same point.... last time i checked, bareback sex isn't illegal (that is up to the people concerned) drug use is! " Er...what? Alcohol is a drug. So is a cigarette. Huh??? And yes, poor self control tends to be transferrable. The fact that people are sitting here calling people "complainers" for not being on board with the fact that there are d*unks in the club is tragic. We have all heard about the law regard consent and the inability to provide such when inebriated. Its like people here want to absolve themselves of every kind of responsibility. I had a shitty experience in a party in London where a girl was playing "hard to get" and sending mixed messages which could have easily gotten out of hand. | |||
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"Were these pissed people forcing you to play op? Were they throwing up or lying comatose in the play rooms or walk ways? There's too many moaning minnies berating the actions of others . Ignore them,don't play with them,I'm sure they didn't set out to disrupt your evening,but more to enjoy their own in how they saw fit. If they were really so d*unk that they weren't in control of their actions I'm sure the staff would have been made aware and sorted it." yep! Absolutely...each to their own! | |||
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"Pissed up women is the only way some guys get to play " This I can believe...! | |||
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" There seems to be tons of drug use and bareback sex in clubs and yet people come on forums and like to act morally indignant whenever someone makes a thread about them. I mean, I dont even think a sex club would work without a little alcohol but if you cant control your liquor then I tend to assume one probably can hardly control their cock/pussy either. you are undermining the point you are trying to make by comparing bareback sex and drug use in the same point.... last time i checked, bareback sex isn't illegal (that is up to the people concerned) drug use is! Er...what? Alcohol is a drug. So is a cigarette. Huh??? And yes, poor self control tends to be transferrable. The fact that people are sitting here calling people "complainers" for not being on board with the fact that there are d*unks in the club is tragic. We have all heard about the law regard consent and the inability to provide such when inebriated. Its like people here want to absolve themselves of every kind of responsibility. I had a shitty experience in a party in London where a girl was playing "hard to get" and sending mixed messages which could have easily gotten out of hand. " who here has said they are on-board with anyone being d*unk at a club..... no one!!!! if someone is using drugs in a club... tell the staff!!! you were the one who said drug use and bareback sex, no one else.... I am not advocating for bareback sex, but it aint illegal.... drug use is! and if someone is playing so hard to get that you can't assume consent then don't go there... simple as!!! | |||
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"Were these pissed people forcing you to play op? Were they throwing up or lying comatose in the play rooms or walk ways? There's too many moaning minnies berating the actions of others . Ignore them,don't play with them,I'm sure they didn't set out to disrupt your evening,but more to enjoy their own in how they saw fit. If they were really so d*unk that they weren't in control of their actions I'm sure the staff would have been made aware and sorted it." Dom here... I have seen on many occasions d*unk people bimbling, staggering and on our last visit being held upright on her silly high heels. They then enter open rooms shouting ffing and blinding to make sure that others cannot enjoy their own fun. When you do "advise" them as to their conduct, you are verbally abused for your troubles. Totally unacceptable, yes we have reported it on many occasions and yet it still continues. Even on that day a woman (whom I might add was working up to another d*unken frenzy), had been warned as to her d*unken conduct the night before, was quite proudly boasting that she is herself indeed facing a ban her misdeeds. Shocking... | |||
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"I've seen it at clubs, but actually never seen males d*unk like women. One club visited had four women, who seemed there to take advantage of BYO and got legless, proceeded to be really obnoxious in the play rooms; couples mainly would have nothing to do with them. But sure enough, there were single guys willing to step up. Shameful really. But it's probably more a societal than a swinging one. The club should have thrown them out, the cynic in me makes me think a club is never throwing single women out. " I agree it's mainly women you see d*unk at clubs. Maybe they don't really want to be there? | |||
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"I've seen it at clubs, but actually never seen males d*unk like women. One club visited had four women, who seemed there to take advantage of BYO and got legless, proceeded to be really obnoxious in the play rooms; couples mainly would have nothing to do with them. But sure enough, there were single guys willing to step up. Shameful really. But it's probably more a societal than a swinging one. The club should have thrown them out, the cynic in me makes me think a club is never throwing single women out. I agree it's mainly women you see d*unk at clubs. Maybe they don't really want to be there? " This is my feeling on it too. | |||
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"I was thinking of going to a club but this has put me off. " Same | |||
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"Were these pissed people forcing you to play op? Were they throwing up or lying comatose in the play rooms or walk ways? There's too many moaning minnies berating the actions of others . Ignore them,don't play with them,I'm sure they didn't set out to disrupt your evening,but more to enjoy their own in how they saw fit. If they were really so d*unk that they weren't in control of their actions I'm sure the staff would have been made aware and sorted it." Touched a nerve ??? | |||
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"I was thinking of going to a club but this has put me off. Same " Sadly You only ever hear the bad things about clubs, rarely the good things. | |||
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" There seems to be tons of drug use and bareback sex in clubs and yet people come on forums and like to act morally indignant whenever someone makes a thread about them. I mean, I dont even think a sex club would work without a little alcohol but if you cant control your liquor then I tend to assume one probably can hardly control their cock/pussy either. you are undermining the point you are trying to make by comparing bareback sex and drug use in the same point.... last time i checked, bareback sex isn't illegal (that is up to the people concerned) drug use is! Er...what? Alcohol is a drug. So is a cigarette. Huh??? And yes, poor self control tends to be transferrable. The fact that people are sitting here calling people "complainers" for not being on board with the fact that there are d*unks in the club is tragic. We have all heard about the law regard consent and the inability to provide such when inebriated. Its like people here want to absolve themselves of every kind of responsibility. I had a shitty experience in a party in London where a girl was playing "hard to get" and sending mixed messages which could have easily gotten out of hand. who here has said they are on-board with anyone being d*unk at a club..... no one!!!! if someone is using drugs in a club... tell the staff!!! you were the one who said drug use and bareback sex, no one else.... I am not advocating for bareback sex, but it aint illegal.... drug use is! and if someone is playing so hard to get that you can't assume consent then don't go there... simple as!!!" What part of "alcohol is a drug" do you not understand? Any kind of drug use will have an impact on the ability to reasonably consent. Yes, alcohol is also one of these drugs. By sitting here saying people who dislike d*unks in the club are "complainers" is indeed saying you're on board with there being d*unks in the club. | |||
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"I've seen it at clubs, but actually never seen males d*unk like women. One club visited had four women, who seemed there to take advantage of BYO and got legless, proceeded to be really obnoxious in the play rooms; couples mainly would have nothing to do with them. But sure enough, there were single guys willing to step up. Shameful really. But it's probably more a societal than a swinging one. The club should have thrown them out, the cynic in me makes me think a club is never throwing single women out. I agree it's mainly women you see d*unk at clubs. Maybe they don't really want to be there? This is my feeling on it too. " Agreed. | |||
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"Pissed up women is the only way some guys get to play This I can believe...! " Yeah I carry a litre of vodka to every meet | |||
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"I was thinking of going to a club but this has put me off. Same " I'd say don't let it. The d*unkeness we have seen is with people we've chosen to speak and play with and regretted it after. Personally not seen d*unk people impacting on others. If they were, I think they'd be quickly chucked out | |||
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"Pissed up women is the only way some guys get to play This I can believe...! Yeah I carry a litre of vodka to every meet " Only a litre? | |||
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"I was thinking of going to a club but this has put me off. Same Sadly You only ever hear the bad things about clubs, rarely the good things. " I hear lots of bad things on here about clubs which is not what a woman contemplating going needs to hear! | |||
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"Pissed up women is the only way some guys get to play This I can believe...! Yeah I carry a litre of vodka to every meet Only a litre? " Well I don't wanna appear too eager | |||
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"I've seen it at clubs, but actually never seen males d*unk like women. One club visited had four women, who seemed there to take advantage of BYO and got legless, proceeded to be really obnoxious in the play rooms; couples mainly would have nothing to do with them. But sure enough, there were single guys willing to step up. Shameful really. But it's probably more a societal than a swinging one. The club should have thrown them out, the cynic in me makes me think a club is never throwing single women out. I agree it's mainly women you see d*unk at clubs. Maybe they don't really want to be there? " Think it's more of a confidence thing. | |||
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"We wont play with d*unk people. X" Totally off putting | |||
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"Clubs nowadays seem to be very much filled with people re living there lost youth, the drink, drugs and being regulars fulfils there need to attach themselves to that time, with sexual play just being an additional add on at the most... Pretty sad really, some even think they are something special as they've chatted to the owners, DJ, host etc, just like they thought they were part of something when they were younger and get what, the club they go to is the best club of course! People who need drink to play are deluded..." Deluded in what way? | |||
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"Deluded that the d*unken fumble at the end of the night is swinging." They might not class themselves as swingers but find themselves most comfortable at swinging clubs. Isn't variety and keeping things exciting what swinging is all about? | |||
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"Clubs nowadays seem to be very much filled with people re living there lost youth, the drink, drugs and being regulars fulfils there need to attach themselves to that time, with sexual play just being an additional add on at the most... Pretty sad really, some even think they are something special as they've chatted to the owners, DJ, host etc, just like they thought they were part of something when they were younger and get what, the club they go to is the best club of course! People who need drink to play are deluded..." Uh huh. Hence why I tend to avoid when people say..."I like thee social side of swinging/clubs". Just an invitation for cliquish types and timewasters. | |||
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"Deluded that the d*unken fumble at the end of the night is swinging. They might not class themselves as swingers but find themselves most comfortable at swinging clubs. Isn't variety and keeping things exciting what swinging is all about? " No. Because all one is really doing is creating a barrier between themselves and most of the punters. As said, its fine if you dont want to participate but if you have absolutely no intention and then you're gonna get wasted and disturbing the peace? Then no, variety is exactly what you dont want and framing it as such tends to just create excuses for it. | |||
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"Deluded that the d*unken fumble at the end of the night is swinging. They might not class themselves as swingers but find themselves most comfortable at swinging clubs. Isn't variety and keeping things exciting what swinging is all about? No. Because all one is really doing is creating a barrier between themselves and most of the punters. As said, its fine if you dont want to participate but if you have absolutely no intention and then you're gonna get wasted and disturbing the peace? Then no, variety is exactly what you dont want and framing it as such tends to just create excuses for it. " If people don't understand the dangers and problems with over- drinking at swinging clubs and indeed use the clubs as alternatives to traditional drinking establishments, I can't see the situation getting any better. Enough people have commented on here, in the reviews and in person. If you cannot see that been so d*unk you cannot stand up unsupported is not acceptable in this environment, I'll be looking to play at different clubs and perhaps no clubs at all. Our evenings were interrupted on both occasions the other weekend, one at VA about 2 mins of walking through the door and the second Sunday afternoon at Chams where I was being fucked by Sir in the round room and some short blonde haired piss head came in with her partner who appeared sober then started giggling and laughing loudly and talking like a child. He took her out then returned about 5 mins later at which she exclaimed / slurred " oh I think I've been here before" Seeing the same couple coming back from the smoking area and him physically holding her up was our cue to leave. And another couple commented in another thread a few days later to say they couldn't even have a quiet drink at the bar because she was so out of control, so they also left. People are leaving clubs because they are fed up of others that can't control themselves. What anc who will that leave? And the big irony I think with Chams is they aren't even profiting from selling the drinks. Good luck to them, they've had enough complaints. | |||
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" Is swinging really for you? No. Swinging is not for a lot of people. They pollute this site with their timewasting/indecisive/drink fueled antics. There is a couple I meet here semi regularly. Perfectly decent people but they almost always ask me if I have any before we meet up. The wife disappears half way through the meet sometime too. I sit there and ask myself whether they really actually enjoy this activity at all anyway??? People gave me shit for not being too keen on those who would talk to you without any intention of playing. Now, yes, I understand the environment can be intimidating and plenty of people like the social side. But if you're really coming to a swingers club, not actually partaking in any swinging and, when you do, needing to become piss d*unk to do it...are u really even enjoying it???" what I don't understand is why you would regularly meet a woman that you wonder if she even wants to have sex with you .she most likely just likes using to fuck as it hightens the feeling and situation for her.just the same as most people drink at a bar if they are out as alcohol does the same for sitting in a pub with friends.the only time it should become an issue is when it's a case of over indulgence. | |||
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"Deluded that the d*unken fumble at the end of the night is swinging. They might not class themselves as swingers but find themselves most comfortable at swinging clubs. Isn't variety and keeping things exciting what swinging is all about? No. Because all one is really doing is creating a barrier between themselves and most of the punters. As said, its fine if you dont want to participate but if you have absolutely no intention and then you're gonna get wasted and disturbing the peace? Then no, variety is exactly what you dont want and framing it as such tends to just create excuses for it. " I did previously state that I don't agree with getting paralytic and that it's dangerous for everyone involved. You stated earlier on that you won't talk to people who have no intention of playing, is that playing with you or playing in general? If you mean playing with you then aren't you also creating a barrier between you and anyone that doesn't want to play with you? Yes, I do think drinking to excess is a problem in clubs, I probably drink in excess in regards to volume but I never end up falling around d*unk. I do feel quite defensive when people talk about people needing to have a drink before they play as I am in this situation. I do need to have a drink to play and I'm not going to apologize for that, i have my own reasons for it which are nothing to do with not wanting to be there or not wanting to actually play. I feel like some people in this thread need to be less judgemental, maybe accept that some people have different views and that their views are just as valid as yours (I still disagree with getting absolutely hammered). | |||
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" Is swinging really for you? No. Swinging is not for a lot of people. They pollute this site with their timewasting/indecisive/drink fueled antics. There is a couple I meet here semi regularly. Perfectly decent people but they almost always ask me if I have any before we meet up. The wife disappears half way through the meet sometime too. I sit there and ask myself whether they really actually enjoy this activity at all anyway??? People gave me shit for not being too keen on those who would talk to you without any intention of playing. Now, yes, I understand the environment can be intimidating and plenty of people like the social side. But if you're really coming to a swingers club, not actually partaking in any swinging and, when you do, needing to become piss d*unk to do it...are u really even enjoying it???what I don't understand is why you would regularly meet a woman that you wonder if she even wants to have sex with you .she most likely just likes using to fuck as it hightens the feeling and situation for her.just the same as most people drink at a bar if they are out as alcohol does the same for sitting in a pub with friends.the only time it should become an issue is when it's a case of over indulgence. " LOL really, excusing use now? Starting to wonder about some of you. And yes, I met this couple a few times and in the last few the drug use was getting excessive. I do wonder that if it was a guy running around using to "heighten the sexual experience" whether you would be so understanding. I dont think I really need to even clarify why , drink and sex is a bad combo. | |||
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"Deluded that the d*unken fumble at the end of the night is swinging. They might not class themselves as swingers but find themselves most comfortable at swinging clubs. Isn't variety and keeping things exciting what swinging is all about? No. Because all one is really doing is creating a barrier between themselves and most of the punters. As said, its fine if you dont want to participate but if you have absolutely no intention and then you're gonna get wasted and disturbing the peace? Then no, variety is exactly what you dont want and framing it as such tends to just create excuses for it. I did previously state that I don't agree with getting paralytic and that it's dangerous for everyone involved. You stated earlier on that you won't talk to people who have no intention of playing, is that playing with you or playing in general? If you mean playing with you then aren't you also creating a barrier between you and anyone that doesn't want to play with you? Yes, I do think drinking to excess is a problem in clubs, I probably drink in excess in regards to volume but I never end up falling around d*unk. I do feel quite defensive when people talk about people needing to have a drink before they play as I am in this situation. I do need to have a drink to play and I'm not going to apologize for that, i have my own reasons for it which are nothing to do with not wanting to be there or not wanting to actually play. I feel like some people in this thread need to be less judgemental, maybe accept that some people have different views and that their views are just as valid as yours (I still disagree with getting absolutely hammered). " Im not judgemental. I simply say my opinion. | |||
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"Deluded that the d*unken fumble at the end of the night is swinging. They might not class themselves as swingers but find themselves most comfortable at swinging clubs. Isn't variety and keeping things exciting what swinging is all about? No. Because all one is really doing is creating a barrier between themselves and most of the punters. As said, its fine if you dont want to participate but if you have absolutely no intention and then you're gonna get wasted and disturbing the peace? Then no, variety is exactly what you dont want and framing it as such tends to just create excuses for it. I did previously state that I don't agree with getting paralytic and that it's dangerous for everyone involved. You stated earlier on that you won't talk to people who have no intention of playing, is that playing with you or playing in general? If you mean playing with you then aren't you also creating a barrier between you and anyone that doesn't want to play with you? Yes, I do think drinking to excess is a problem in clubs, I probably drink in excess in regards to volume but I never end up falling around d*unk. I do feel quite defensive when people talk about people needing to have a drink before they play as I am in this situation. I do need to have a drink to play and I'm not going to apologize for that, i have my own reasons for it which are nothing to do with not wanting to be there or not wanting to actually play. I feel like some people in this thread need to be less judgemental, maybe accept that some people have different views and that their views are just as valid as yours (I still disagree with getting absolutely hammered). " No, you're irresponsible. And it comes kind of apparent in your posts. It doesnt make any sense and is that typical lack of self awareness that most alcoholics tend to have. "I drink in excess, but I dont get d*unk" LOL, what does that even mean??? Of course, not approving of someone being a d*unken mess means we're "judgemental". Christ, some of you are like children | |||
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"Deluded that the d*unken fumble at the end of the night is swinging. They might not class themselves as swingers but find themselves most comfortable at swinging clubs. Isn't variety and keeping things exciting what swinging is all about? No. Because all one is really doing is creating a barrier between themselves and most of the punters. As said, its fine if you dont want to participate but if you have absolutely no intention and then you're gonna get wasted and disturbing the peace? Then no, variety is exactly what you dont want and framing it as such tends to just create excuses for it. I did previously state that I don't agree with getting paralytic and that it's dangerous for everyone involved. You stated earlier on that you won't talk to people who have no intention of playing, is that playing with you or playing in general? If you mean playing with you then aren't you also creating a barrier between you and anyone that doesn't want to play with you? Yes, I do think drinking to excess is a problem in clubs, I probably drink in excess in regards to volume but I never end up falling around d*unk. I do feel quite defensive when people talk about people needing to have a drink before they play as I am in this situation. I do need to have a drink to play and I'm not going to apologize for that, i have my own reasons for it which are nothing to do with not wanting to be there or not wanting to actually play. I feel like some people in this thread need to be less judgemental, maybe accept that some people have different views and that their views are just as valid as yours (I still disagree with getting absolutely hammered). No, you're irresponsible. And it comes kind of apparent in your posts. It doesnt make any sense and is that typical lack of self awareness that most alcoholics tend to have. "I drink in excess, but I dont get d*unk" LOL, what does that even mean??? Of course, not approving of someone being a d*unken mess means we're "judgemental". Christ, some of you are like children " I actually said I probably drink in excess in regards to volume, meaning I can drink more than some people and not get d*unk like they might. You do realise people have different tolerances? I've stated repeatedly I don't agree with people being paralytic so no, I wasn't referring to that when I said people were judgemental. Don't take part of my post and turn it into what suits you. I was calling the people who said that people who have a drink to play are deluded, or don't want to be there etc, judgemental. | |||
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"Deluded that the d*unken fumble at the end of the night is swinging. They might not class themselves as swingers but find themselves most comfortable at swinging clubs. Isn't variety and keeping things exciting what swinging is all about? No. Because all one is really doing is creating a barrier between themselves and most of the punters. As said, its fine if you dont want to participate but if you have absolutely no intention and then you're gonna get wasted and disturbing the peace? Then no, variety is exactly what you dont want and framing it as such tends to just create excuses for it. I did previously state that I don't agree with getting paralytic and that it's dangerous for everyone involved. You stated earlier on that you won't talk to people who have no intention of playing, is that playing with you or playing in general? If you mean playing with you then aren't you also creating a barrier between you and anyone that doesn't want to play with you? Yes, I do think drinking to excess is a problem in clubs, I probably drink in excess in regards to volume but I never end up falling around d*unk. I do feel quite defensive when people talk about people needing to have a drink before they play as I am in this situation. I do need to have a drink to play and I'm not going to apologize for that, i have my own reasons for it which are nothing to do with not wanting to be there or not wanting to actually play. I feel like some people in this thread need to be less judgemental, maybe accept that some people have different views and that their views are just as valid as yours (I still disagree with getting absolutely hammered). No, you're irresponsible. And it comes kind of apparent in your posts. It doesnt make any sense and is that typical lack of self awareness that most alcoholics tend to have. "I drink in excess, but I dont get d*unk" LOL, what does that even mean??? Of course, not approving of someone being a d*unken mess means we're "judgemental". Christ, some of you are like children " | |||
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"Deluded that the d*unken fumble at the end of the night is swinging. They might not class themselves as swingers but find themselves most comfortable at swinging clubs. Isn't variety and keeping things exciting what swinging is all about? No. Because all one is really doing is creating a barrier between themselves and most of the punters. As said, its fine if you dont want to participate but if you have absolutely no intention and then you're gonna get wasted and disturbing the peace? Then no, variety is exactly what you dont want and framing it as such tends to just create excuses for it. I did previously state that I don't agree with getting paralytic and that it's dangerous for everyone involved. You stated earlier on that you won't talk to people who have no intention of playing, is that playing with you or playing in general? If you mean playing with you then aren't you also creating a barrier between you and anyone that doesn't want to play with you? Yes, I do think drinking to excess is a problem in clubs, I probably drink in excess in regards to volume but I never end up falling around d*unk. I do feel quite defensive when people talk about people needing to have a drink before they play as I am in this situation. I do need to have a drink to play and I'm not going to apologize for that, i have my own reasons for it which are nothing to do with not wanting to be there or not wanting to actually play. I feel like some people in this thread need to be less judgemental, maybe accept that some people have different views and that their views are just as valid as yours (I still disagree with getting absolutely hammered). No, you're irresponsible. And it comes kind of apparent in your posts. It doesnt make any sense and is that typical lack of self awareness that most alcoholics tend to have. "I drink in excess, but I dont get d*unk" LOL, what does that even mean??? Of course, not approving of someone being a d*unken mess means we're "judgemental". Christ, some of you are like children I actually said I probably drink in excess in regards to volume, meaning I can drink more than some people and not get d*unk like they might. You do realise people have different tolerances? I've stated repeatedly I don't agree with people being paralytic so no, I wasn't referring to that when I said people were judgemental. Don't take part of my post and turn it into what suits you. I was calling the people who said that people who have a drink to play are deluded, or don't want to be there etc, judgemental. " Agree completely Keeley!! responsible drinking in moderation can enhance the mood and pleasure when playing!! My partner and I often have some of our most pleasurable & horny sessions after sharing a good bottle of wine!! And in case I need to add this point NO we don't need to drink to have sex with each other!! If someone can't be trusted to drink responsibly then agree they probably can't be trusted to swing/play responsibly | |||
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"You guys have all been very unlucky. We've been at this lark over ten years and our number of club visits is easily in 3 figures. In all that time we've only seen 3 incidents of people being so d*unk they caused a nuisance. 2 of those times the offending party removed within minutes and other took about an hour before 'security' finally got around to it. Usually the it's newbies who get d*unk to the point they are unable to play and are in an early taxi, and 99% of the time it's because of their nerves. Completely understandable in my book. Also if someone is d*unk/d up and acting an arsehole, it's not because of the substances in their system, it's because they're an arsehole. They don't give them a cheap excuse." ah some common sense so refreshing . | |||
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"Deluded that the d*unken fumble at the end of the night is swinging. They might not class themselves as swingers but find themselves most comfortable at swinging clubs. Isn't variety and keeping things exciting what swinging is all about? No. Because all one is really doing is creating a barrier between themselves and most of the punters. As said, its fine if you dont want to participate but if you have absolutely no intention and then you're gonna get wasted and disturbing the peace? Then no, variety is exactly what you dont want and framing it as such tends to just create excuses for it. I did previously state that I don't agree with getting paralytic and that it's dangerous for everyone involved. You stated earlier on that you won't talk to people who have no intention of playing, is that playing with you or playing in general? If you mean playing with you then aren't you also creating a barrier between you and anyone that doesn't want to play with you? Yes, I do think drinking to excess is a problem in clubs, I probably drink in excess in regards to volume but I never end up falling around d*unk. I do feel quite defensive when people talk about people needing to have a drink before they play as I am in this situation. I do need to have a drink to play and I'm not going to apologize for that, i have my own reasons for it which are nothing to do with not wanting to be there or not wanting to actually play. I feel like some people in this thread need to be less judgemental, maybe accept that some people have different views and that their views are just as valid as yours (I still disagree with getting absolutely hammered). No, you're irresponsible. And it comes kind of apparent in your posts. It doesnt make any sense and is that typical lack of self awareness that most alcoholics tend to have. "I drink in excess, but I dont get d*unk" LOL, what does that even mean??? Of course, not approving of someone being a d*unken mess means we're "judgemental". Christ, some of you are like children " are you for real.Why are you clearly taking everything she says out of context.you say people that have a drink are irresponsible but you say further up in the thread which you conveniently failed to reply to my comment on it that you regularly meet a couple where the woman drinks and takes mid play and you sit there and wonder if she even wants to do it. but you crack on anyway.hyporcrite much eh . | |||
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"Deluded that the d*unken fumble at the end of the night is swinging. They might not class themselves as swingers but find themselves most comfortable at swinging clubs. Isn't variety and keeping things exciting what swinging is all about? No. Because all one is really doing is creating a barrier between themselves and most of the punters. As said, its fine if you dont want to participate but if you have absolutely no intention and then you're gonna get wasted and disturbing the peace? Then no, variety is exactly what you dont want and framing it as such tends to just create excuses for it. I did previously state that I don't agree with getting paralytic and that it's dangerous for everyone involved. You stated earlier on that you won't talk to people who have no intention of playing, is that playing with you or playing in general? If you mean playing with you then aren't you also creating a barrier between you and anyone that doesn't want to play with you? Yes, I do think drinking to excess is a problem in clubs, I probably drink in excess in regards to volume but I never end up falling around d*unk. I do feel quite defensive when people talk about people needing to have a drink before they play as I am in this situation. I do need to have a drink to play and I'm not going to apologize for that, i have my own reasons for it which are nothing to do with not wanting to be there or not wanting to actually play. I feel like some people in this thread need to be less judgemental, maybe accept that some people have different views and that their views are just as valid as yours (I still disagree with getting absolutely hammered). No, you're irresponsible. And it comes kind of apparent in your posts. It doesnt make any sense and is that typical lack of self awareness that most alcoholics tend to have. "I drink in excess, but I dont get d*unk" LOL, what does that even mean??? Of course, not approving of someone being a d*unken mess means we're "judgemental". Christ, some of you are like children I actually said I probably drink in excess in regards to volume, meaning I can drink more than some people and not get d*unk like they might. You do realise people have different tolerances? I've stated repeatedly I don't agree with people being paralytic so no, I wasn't referring to that when I said people were judgemental. Don't take part of my post and turn it into what suits you. I was calling the people who said that people who have a drink to play are deluded, or don't want to be there etc, judgemental. " Once again. Sorry, but this is what every irresonspible drinker who messes up a night out says. "Guys I can drink sooooo much without getting wasted" And lo and behold by the end of the night they're a mess My point excessive alcohol consumption is a bad road in and of itself. Not only does the drinker become a danger to herself but she also can become a target AND even a problem for those confused about her consent. If you're drinking excessive volumes, you can happily run around claiming you're not d*unk and then end up in a situation with a guy leading up to tears. Excessive alcohol means you CANNOT consent, no matter how much you want to delude yourself and others that its fine. Worst thing is that irresponsibility ends up on A GUY'S head and not yours. | |||
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"Deluded that the d*unken fumble at the end of the night is swinging. They might not class themselves as swingers but find themselves most comfortable at swinging clubs. Isn't variety and keeping things exciting what swinging is all about? No. Because all one is really doing is creating a barrier between themselves and most of the punters. As said, its fine if you dont want to participate but if you have absolutely no intention and then you're gonna get wasted and disturbing the peace? Then no, variety is exactly what you dont want and framing it as such tends to just create excuses for it. I did previously state that I don't agree with getting paralytic and that it's dangerous for everyone involved. You stated earlier on that you won't talk to people who have no intention of playing, is that playing with you or playing in general? If you mean playing with you then aren't you also creating a barrier between you and anyone that doesn't want to play with you? Yes, I do think drinking to excess is a problem in clubs, I probably drink in excess in regards to volume but I never end up falling around d*unk. I do feel quite defensive when people talk about people needing to have a drink before they play as I am in this situation. I do need to have a drink to play and I'm not going to apologize for that, i have my own reasons for it which are nothing to do with not wanting to be there or not wanting to actually play. I feel like some people in this thread need to be less judgemental, maybe accept that some people have different views and that their views are just as valid as yours (I still disagree with getting absolutely hammered). No, you're irresponsible. And it comes kind of apparent in your posts. It doesnt make any sense and is that typical lack of self awareness that most alcoholics tend to have. "I drink in excess, but I dont get d*unk" LOL, what does that even mean??? Of course, not approving of someone being a d*unken mess means we're "judgemental". Christ, some of you are like children are you for real.Why are you clearly taking everything she says out of context.you say people that have a drink are irresponsible but you say further up in the thread which you conveniently failed to reply to my comment on it that you regularly meet a couple where the woman drinks and takes mid play and you sit there and wonder if she even wants to do it. but you crack on anyway.hyporcrite much eh ." Yes, excessively is a problem. And yes, I dont like the fact that she continuously gets high. Had to mention it outright. Maybe I'll stop playing with them. Should their behaviour fall out of line. This is the thing though, you somehow think that I (or a third party) should somehow be the one responsible for policing that couples behavior. And hey, maybe I should. But if you need others to tell you when to put the liquor down then, yes, you're extremely irresponsible. And no, I wont sit here and glorify your bad behavior. | |||
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"When we used to go Chams we stopped going in the evening due to the amount of d*unks there. They spoiled the fun because they were very loud, abusive, rude, obnoxious, smelt, staggered, used their phones in the club, fell over, vomited, passed out. On the rare occasions we go (not been for well over a year now) we went daytime which was much nicer. We use another club now and still generally go daytimes but even when we have been there a bit later we have never seen anyone d*unk. I would never want to play with someone who is d*unk and i dont need drink in order to play either." You still get d*unks during the day. On my first visit I encountered a "lady" who spent most of the afternoon propping up the bar. She polished off 3 bottles of red wine in about 3 hours and I overheard her telling a bloke that she had a tag on her leg because she was recently done for dangerous driving while d*unk. She told him don't worry it's waterproof so we can still play in the jacuzzis! As the afternoon wore on and she got more d*unk she became even more loud and obnoxious. I made a point of avoiding her and left earlier than planned because I'd had enough of her behaviour | |||
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"Once again. Sorry, but this is what every irresonspible drinker who messes up a night out says. "Guys I can drink sooooo much without getting wasted" And lo and behold by the end of the night they're a mess My point excessive alcohol consumption is a bad road in and of itself. Not only does the drinker become a danger to herself but she also can become a target AND even a problem for those confused about her consent. If you're drinking excessive volumes, you can happily run around claiming you're not d*unk and then end up in a situation with a guy leading up to tears. Excessive alcohol means you CANNOT consent, no matter how much you want to delude yourself and others that its fine. Worst thing is that irresponsibility ends up on A GUY'S head and not yours. " Again you've twisted my words or just chosen to ignore part of what I've said. I said earlier I very rarely play, if at all so this nonsense about consent aimed at me is invalid. You're also assuming I mess up people's nights, you don't know me yet you're making a judgement. One of the men above made a good point, you are quick enough to play with someone high on drugs yet you criticize everyone else for doing the same with people who've been drinking. You yourself made the comparison between drink and drugs, calling them both drugs. Shall we discuss how you may possibly have breached this woman's consent when you had sex with her when she was under the influence of a mind altering drug which by your own opinion means she cannot consent? | |||
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"Once again. Sorry, but this is what every irresonspible drinker who messes up a night out says. "Guys I can drink sooooo much without getting wasted" And lo and behold by the end of the night they're a mess My point excessive alcohol consumption is a bad road in and of itself. Not only does the drinker become a danger to herself but she also can become a target AND even a problem for those confused about her consent. If you're drinking excessive volumes, you can happily run around claiming you're not d*unk and then end up in a situation with a guy leading up to tears. Excessive alcohol means you CANNOT consent, no matter how much you want to delude yourself and others that its fine. Worst thing is that irresponsibility ends up on A GUY'S head and not yours. Again you've twisted my words or just chosen to ignore part of what I've said. I said earlier I very rarely play, if at all so this nonsense about consent aimed at me is invalid. You're also assuming I mess up people's nights, you don't know me yet you're making a judgement. One of the men above made a good point, you are quick enough to play with someone high on drugs yet you criticize everyone else for doing the same with people who've been drinking. You yourself made the comparison between drink and drugs, calling them both drugs. Shall we discuss how you may possibly have breached this woman's consent when you had sex with her when she was under the influence of a mind altering drug which by your own opinion means she cannot consent? " You did not read my post then. She left halfway between meets (because she had werewithal) and it was only recently that they would at least make it apparent that they were high. This is it, a lot of you basically want to be able to do what you like and then out of the same side of your mouth complain about nonsense like rude messages. It just seems like there is one standard of behavior for those like you and another for everyone else....most likely those others being men. In parties and clubs, action is taken when men get out of hand (rightfully so) or even excessively d*unk but dare ask women (who are the main culprits of this shitty behavior) and then we're suddenly prudes on out high horses I know you're desperate to victimize yourself and others who do the same thing. But no, I am not quick to play with those who use lots of drugs or alcohol...tbh 95% of the time their inebriation renders the entire act pointless anyway. I never once even alluded to the fact that I was. There is no way I can govern the behavior of everyone I meet. Nothing is stopping someone I meet from having a drinks or lines. I also wont pretend that I am some moral arbiter who would walk away from a meet if someone was to start drinking. BUT it is bad behavior. Just like flaking or rude messages or cheating. Why should this be any more acceptable? | |||
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"Once again. Sorry, but this is what every irresonspible drinker who messes up a night out says. "Guys I can drink sooooo much without getting wasted" And lo and behold by the end of the night they're a mess My point excessive alcohol consumption is a bad road in and of itself. Not only does the drinker become a danger to herself but she also can become a target AND even a problem for those confused about her consent. If you're drinking excessive volumes, you can happily run around claiming you're not d*unk and then end up in a situation with a guy leading up to tears. Excessive alcohol means you CANNOT consent, no matter how much you want to delude yourself and others that its fine. Worst thing is that irresponsibility ends up on A GUY'S head and not yours. Again you've twisted my words or just chosen to ignore part of what I've said. I said earlier I very rarely play, if at all so this nonsense about consent aimed at me is invalid. You're also assuming I mess up people's nights, you don't know me yet you're making a judgement. One of the men above made a good point, you are quick enough to play with someone high on drugs yet you criticize everyone else for doing the same with people who've been drinking. You yourself made the comparison between drink and drugs, calling them both drugs. Shall we discuss how you may possibly have breached this woman's consent when you had sex with her when she was under the influence of a mind altering drug which by your own opinion means she cannot consent? You did not read my post then. She left halfway between meets (because she had werewithal) and it was only recently that they would at least make it apparent that they were high. This is it, a lot of you basically want to be able to do what you like and then out of the same side of your mouth complain about nonsense like rude messages. It just seems like there is one standard of behavior for those like you and another for everyone else....most likely those others being men. In parties and clubs, action is taken when men get out of hand (rightfully so) or even excessively d*unk but dare ask women (who are the main culprits of this shitty behavior) and then we're suddenly prudes on out high horses I know you're desperate to victimize yourself and others who do the same thing. But no, I am not quick to play with those who use lots of drugs or alcohol...tbh 95% of the time their inebriation renders the entire act pointless anyway. I never once even alluded to the fact that I was. There is no way I can govern the behavior of everyone I meet. Nothing is stopping someone I meet from having a drinks or lines. I also wont pretend that I am some moral arbiter who would walk away from a meet if someone was to start drinking. BUT it is bad behavior. Just like flaking or rude messages or cheating. Why should this be any more acceptable?" Again, you're talking to me as if you know me, you've never met me so how can you say I think there's one standard of behavior for me and one for everyone else? I'm going to stop replying to you now as you seem to completely ignore my points and twist them to suit yourself. Good luck in any future meets you may have. | |||
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"Deluded that the d*unken fumble at the end of the night is swinging. They might not class themselves as swingers but find themselves most comfortable at swinging clubs. Isn't variety and keeping things exciting what swinging is all about? No. Because all one is really doing is creating a barrier between themselves and most of the punters. As said, its fine if you dont want to participate but if you have absolutely no intention and then you're gonna get wasted and disturbing the peace? Then no, variety is exactly what you dont want and framing it as such tends to just create excuses for it. I did previously state that I don't agree with getting paralytic and that it's dangerous for everyone involved. You stated earlier on that you won't talk to people who have no intention of playing, is that playing with you or playing in general? If you mean playing with you then aren't you also creating a barrier between you and anyone that doesn't want to play with you? Yes, I do think drinking to excess is a problem in clubs, I probably drink in excess in regards to volume but I never end up falling around d*unk. I do feel quite defensive when people talk about people needing to have a drink before they play as I am in this situation. I do need to have a drink to play and I'm not going to apologize for that, i have my own reasons for it which are nothing to do with not wanting to be there or not wanting to actually play. I feel like some people in this thread need to be less judgemental, maybe accept that some people have different views and that their views are just as valid as yours (I still disagree with getting absolutely hammered). No, you're irresponsible. And it comes kind of apparent in your posts. It doesnt make any sense and is that typical lack of self awareness that most alcoholics tend to have. "I drink in excess, but I dont get d*unk" LOL, what does that even mean??? Of course, not approving of someone being a d*unken mess means we're "judgemental". Christ, some of you are like children are you for real.Why are you clearly taking everything she says out of context.you say people that have a drink are irresponsible but you say further up in the thread which you conveniently failed to reply to my comment on it that you regularly meet a couple where the woman drinks and takes mid play and you sit there and wonder if she even wants to do it. but you crack on anyway.hyporcrite much eh . Yes, excessively is a problem. And yes, I dont like the fact that she continuously gets high. Had to mention it outright. Maybe I'll stop playing with them. Should their behaviour fall out of line. This is the thing though, you somehow think that I (or a third party) should somehow be the one responsible for policing that couples behavior. And hey, maybe I should. But if you need others to tell you when to put the liquor down then, yes, you're extremely irresponsible. And no, I wont sit here and glorify your bad behavior." the woman you keep responding to never said she drinks excesivly to the point of being a pain in the arse and a liability.she said she likes a drink for nerves or whatever like most do and you keep making her out to be some sort of alcoholic.thing is everybody will agree with you that someone who has had to much is not a good look and very anoying but the funny thing is you are the only one on the thread who is complaning the most yet admits to fucking them anyway .you can't seriously think it's ok to fuck a woman who by your own admission indulged in drink and drugs to the point where you sit and think she isint even wanting to fuck you but you do it anyway. That's olso a pretty bold and dodgy statment to say it's not your job to police d*unks but you will fuck them when they have had to much as it's not your problem or did I take that out of context . | |||
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"I'm in no way going to apologise for "being judgemental" as you call it The day that one of these people has too much to drink and either injures themselves or someone else or worse later decides that the sex they had was not consensual, will be the day I hope the clubs take a good hard look at what they turn a blind eye to currently. I personally do not want to ever be called on as a witness at a r@@e trial, which could very easily happen." I'll be judgemental all I like. I don't want to play with pissed people. I don't want pissed people ruining my night out with their childish behaviour. | |||
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"When we used to go Chams we stopped going in the evening due to the amount of d*unks there. They spoiled the fun because they were very loud, abusive, rude, obnoxious, smelt, staggered, used their phones in the club, fell over, vomited, passed out. On the rare occasions we go (not been for well over a year now) we went daytime which was much nicer. We use another club now and still generally go daytimes but even when we have been there a bit later we have never seen anyone d*unk. I would never want to play with someone who is d*unk and i dont need drink in order to play either. You still get d*unks during the day. On my first visit I encountered a "lady" who spent most of the afternoon propping up the bar. She polished off 3 bottles of red wine in about 3 hours and I overheard her telling a bloke that she had a tag on her leg because she was recently done for dangerous driving while d*unk. She told him don't worry it's waterproof so we can still play in the jacuzzis! As the afternoon wore on and she got more d*unk she became even more loud and obnoxious. I made a point of avoiding her and left earlier than planned because I'd had enough of her behaviour " We have never encountered d*unks during the day in the 12 or so years we have been going, only in the evening. | |||
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"Just don't forget that some people going to swingers club for social reason only, as a cheaper and more fun(if you add everything up) option for a night out. So, in other words just focus on what you like and ignore what you dont like, simple. " Where's the fun in that? Surely it's better to pout and ruin your own night out because others are having fun? That way you get to post on the forums, judge people by your own standards, dictate to them what's acceptable, assume the position of the club fun police, ignore valid points, generalise, make assumptions, project your own failings etc | |||
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"Just don't forget that some people going to swingers club for social reason only, as a cheaper and more fun(if you add everything up) option for a night out. So, in other words just focus on what you like and ignore what you dont like, simple. " Okay this isn't aimed at anyone in this thread and to be fair the d*unk women I'm complaining about have been there as a couple. So in theory a single woman can get into a club very cheaply, take her own booze and get so wankered she ruins other people's evenings who have spent far more to access the facilities. Hmmm | |||
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"Deluded that the d*unken fumble at the end of the night is swinging. They might not class themselves as swingers but find themselves most comfortable at swinging clubs. Isn't variety and keeping things exciting what swinging is all about? No. Because all one is really doing is creating a barrier between themselves and most of the punters. As said, its fine if you dont want to participate but if you have absolutely no intention and then you're gonna get wasted and disturbing the peace? Then no, variety is exactly what you dont want and framing it as such tends to just create excuses for it. I did previously state that I don't agree with getting paralytic and that it's dangerous for everyone involved. You stated earlier on that you won't talk to people who have no intention of playing, is that playing with you or playing in general? If you mean playing with you then aren't you also creating a barrier between you and anyone that doesn't want to play with you? Yes, I do think drinking to excess is a problem in clubs, I probably drink in excess in regards to volume but I never end up falling around d*unk. I do feel quite defensive when people talk about people needing to have a drink before they play as I am in this situation. I do need to have a drink to play and I'm not going to apologize for that, i have my own reasons for it which are nothing to do with not wanting to be there or not wanting to actually play. I feel like some people in this thread need to be less judgemental, maybe accept that some people have different views and that their views are just as valid as yours (I still disagree with getting absolutely hammered). No, you're irresponsible. And it comes kind of apparent in your posts. It doesnt make any sense and is that typical lack of self awareness that most alcoholics tend to have. "I drink in excess, but I dont get d*unk" LOL, what does that even mean??? Of course, not approving of someone being a d*unken mess means we're "judgemental". Christ, some of you are like children are you for real.Why are you clearly taking everything she says out of context.you say people that have a drink are irresponsible but you say further up in the thread which you conveniently failed to reply to my comment on it that you regularly meet a couple where the woman drinks and takes mid play and you sit there and wonder if she even wants to do it. but you crack on anyway.hyporcrite much eh . Yes, excessively is a problem. And yes, I dont like the fact that she continuously gets high. Had to mention it outright. Maybe I'll stop playing with them. Should their behaviour fall out of line. This is the thing though, you somehow think that I (or a third party) should somehow be the one responsible for policing that couples behavior. And hey, maybe I should. But if you need others to tell you when to put the liquor down then, yes, you're extremely irresponsible. And no, I wont sit here and glorify your bad behavior.the woman you keep responding to never said she drinks excesivly to the point of being a pain in the arse and a liability.she said she likes a drink for nerves or whatever like most do and you keep making her out to be some sort of alcoholic.thing is everybody will agree with you that someone who has had to much is not a good look and very anoying but the funny thing is you are the only one on the thread who is complaning the most yet admits to fucking them anyway .you can't seriously think it's ok to fuck a woman who by your own admission indulged in drink and drugs to the point where you sit and think she isint even wanting to fuck you but you do it anyway. That's olso a pretty bold and dodgy statment to say it's not your job to police d*unks but you will fuck them when they have had to much as it's not your problem or did I take that out of context ." Look dont try to be slick Dont try and make my dislike of d*unken shenanigans as some kind of way to twist this into me wanting to take advantage of vulnerable. TBH this was my experience and my issue. One gets d*unk, runs around giving out mixed signals and in a state and then when they sober up they want to run for the nearest guy to blame it on. No, I dont want to have sex with those people...tbh it would be best if they're not even in the club. You, on the other hand, may be perfectly fine whilst playing in the vicinity of someone who is paralytic d*unk/comatose. I mean, that is pretty much what you're saying. | |||
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"Just don't forget that some people going to swingers club for social reason only, as a cheaper and more fun(if you add everything up) option for a night out. So, in other words just focus on what you like and ignore what you dont like, simple. Where's the fun in that? Surely it's better to pout and ruin your own night out because others are having fun? That way you get to post on the forums, judge people by your own standards, dictate to them what's acceptable, assume the position of the club fun police, ignore valid points, generalise, make assumptions, project your own failings etc" Do you think it's ok to get pissed and be loud and annoying and ruin everyone else's night? | |||
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"Just don't forget that some people going to swingers club for social reason only, as a cheaper and more fun(if you add everything up) option for a night out. So, in other words just focus on what you like and ignore what you dont like, simple. Okay this isn't aimed at anyone in this thread and to be fair the d*unk women I'm complaining about have been there as a couple. So in theory a single woman can get into a club very cheaply, take her own booze and get so wankered she ruins other people's evenings who have spent far more to access the facilities. Hmmm " If a woman is pissed/ off her head she's more likely to give the men 'a good time'. No idea why the clubs don't kick them out.... | |||
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"Just don't forget that some people going to swingers club for social reason only, as a cheaper and more fun(if you add everything up) option for a night out. So, in other words just focus on what you like and ignore what you dont like, simple. Okay this isn't aimed at anyone in this thread and to be fair the d*unk women I'm complaining about have been there as a couple. So in theory a single woman can get into a club very cheaply, take her own booze and get so wankered she ruins other people's evenings who have spent far more to access the facilities. Hmmm " People here think they have a right to ruin other peoples night if there's are not going well. A d*unken argument with a partner? Why take it home when you get throw it in everyone elses face? | |||
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"Just don't forget that some people going to swingers club for social reason only, as a cheaper and more fun(if you add everything up) option for a night out. So, in other words just focus on what you like and ignore what you dont like, simple. Where's the fun in that? Surely it's better to pout and ruin your own night out because others are having fun? That way you get to post on the forums, judge people by your own standards, dictate to them what's acceptable, assume the position of the club fun police, ignore valid points, generalise, make assumptions, project your own failings etc Do you think it's ok to get pissed and be loud and annoying and ruin everyone else's night? " Clearly. | |||
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"Just don't forget that some people going to swingers club for social reason only, as a cheaper and more fun(if you add everything up) option for a night out. So, in other words just focus on what you like and ignore what you dont like, simple. Where's the fun in that? Surely it's better to pout and ruin your own night out because others are having fun? That way you get to post on the forums, judge people by your own standards, dictate to them what's acceptable, assume the position of the club fun police, ignore valid points, generalise, make assumptions, project your own failings etc Do you think it's ok to get pissed and be loud and annoying and ruin everyone else's night? " I read the post that they don't accept this happens. Maybe too pissed to see who knows, I don't think anyone in this thread is talking about having a few sociable drinks. I'm talking about totally wrecked and incapable of controlling themselves d*unk. Obviously the pro drinking crowd are happy for vulnerable people to be around. I'm not just annoyed about our time being ruined, which for a 2 hour drive each way is annoying, I'm very concerned for the individuals who put themselves in danger. | |||
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"Oh this is one of my soap-boxes! I just cannot understand why people swing if they need to get pissed to enjoy it. Also, I enjoy drinking and have a fairly good head, but find that very few people can get d*unk nicely, if that makes sense. Perhaps I'm a Frog at heart! Sorry rant over, now I suppose everyone will hate me " I love a drink. But I never drink to excess outside of home. | |||
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"I just cannot understand why people swing if they need to get pissed to enjoy it." Why do you care? If they are having fun and not bothering anyone, what's the problem? | |||
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"I just cannot understand why people swing if they need to get pissed to enjoy it. Why do you care? If they are having fun and not bothering anyone, what's the problem?" That's the point..... pissed people are bothering other people and making them leave the clubs. It's been quoted constantly throughout the thread. | |||
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"I just cannot understand why people swing if they need to get pissed to enjoy it. Why do you care? If they are having fun and not bothering anyone, what's the problem?" But they are bothering people. Which is the point. If someone is a quite d*unk then the only person they're really putting in danger is themselves. There is nothing entirely wrong with that...except for a little tiny bit of concern for your fellow human being. Or is it just fuck some random vulnerable individual? Your stance seems kinda passive aggressive and selfish. | |||
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"I just cannot understand why people swing if they need to get pissed to enjoy it. Why do you care? If they are having fun and not bothering anyone, what's the problem? But they are bothering people. Which is the point. If someone is a quite d*unk then the only person they're really putting in danger is themselves. There is nothing entirely wrong with that...except for a little tiny bit of concern for your fellow human being. Or is it just fuck some random vulnerable individual? Your stance seems kinda passive aggressive and selfish." I think some posts must have become invisible to some users. I think I've said my bit. It won't be me that's party to any problems because I can't be bothered with it all. Hopefully the folk in denial at what is blatantly a problem will be sober enough should an accident or sexual asssult occur. | |||
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"That's the point..... pissed people are bothering other people and making them leave the clubs. It's been quoted constantly throughout the thread. " People should go to different clubs then. As I said earlier been out 100s of times over the last 12 years and only seen 3 incidents of unruly d*unk behaviour, all of which were dealt with it. Also it seems some people on this thread have a problem with people drinking, full stop, whether they are being an arse or not. Having a drink or two (or six) at a club does not equate to being a d*unk twat. | |||
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"That's the point..... pissed people are bothering other people and making them leave the clubs. It's been quoted constantly throughout the thread. People should go to different clubs then. As I said earlier been out 100s of times over the last 12 years and only seen 3 incidents of unruly d*unk behaviour, all of which were dealt with it. Also it seems some people on this thread have a problem with people drinking, full stop, whether they are being an arse or not. Having a drink or two (or six) at a club does not equate to being a d*unk twat." In life there are many things that we as individuals don't witness; does not mean they aren't true | |||
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"Or is it just fuck some random vulnerable individual? Your stance seems kinda passive aggressive and selfish." Stop projecting dude, not everyone is a predator that preys on d*unk/high people, in fact I'd wager 99.99999% of swingers wouldn't touch someone off their face. | |||
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"I just cannot understand why people swing if they need to get pissed to enjoy it. Why do you care? If they are having fun and not bothering anyone, what's the problem?" This post makes it all clear. | |||
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"In life there are many things that we as individuals don't witness; does not mean they aren't true " Conversely this thread makes it look like there's some d*unken arsehole epidemic in clubs, which I have not witnessed. | |||
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"Or is it just fuck some random vulnerable individual? Your stance seems kinda passive aggressive and selfish. Stop projecting dude, not everyone is a predator that preys on d*unk/high people, in fact I'd wager 99.99999% of swingers wouldn't touch someone off their face." Except...that we have actually had one or two cases end up in court over sexual assault happening in a swingers club. No one said everyone is a predator looking attack d*unks. D*unkeness does blur the lines of consent though...no matter who it is. What is amusing is how much this "fuck everyone else, only MY orgasm matters!!" seems to feature heavily on here. I dont like dressing such selfishness and ignorance as "preference". How uncivilized. | |||
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"in fact I'd wager 99.99999% of swingers wouldn't touch someone off their face. Except...that we have actually had one or two cases end up in court over sexual assault happening in a swingers club. " So what you're saying is that you agree with my 99.99999% assessment then? | |||
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"Can we all just agree that d*unk people being obnoxious, violent, unruly and staggering everywhere are a problem and that people who drink but don't cause issues are not a problem? " | |||
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"Or is it just fuck some random vulnerable individual? Your stance seems kinda passive aggressive and selfish. Stop projecting dude, not everyone is a predator that preys on d*unk/high people, in fact I'd wager 99.99999% of swingers wouldn't touch someone off their face." Sadly not true. We have many times seen guys lining up to gangbang obviously off their face ladies. | |||
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"Sadly not true. We have many times seen guys lining up to gangbang obviously off their face ladies. " That's horrific, what kind of club lets that happen? | |||
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"Surely this all boils down to people's personal choice. I go to chams regularly as a single lady I have a drink and a laugh. I don't cause trouble but the way this group is making single women out that they are ruining chams all the time?? Over the past year I've seen d*unk women d*unk men d*unk couple and only on a very rare occasion it's caused trouble which has always been swiftly dealt with. Let's face it if I chose to go get d*unk and have sex with the whole club it's my choice and my consequences . No one said you had to join in!! As for ruining your night I suggest you need to concentrate on what ur doing instead of ur surroundings!!!!" Totally agree with this!!!! | |||
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"Can we all just agree that d*unk people being obnoxious, violent, unruly and staggering everywhere are a problem and that people who drink but don't cause issues are not a problem? " | |||
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"Can we all just agree that d*unk people being obnoxious, violent, unruly and staggering everywhere are a problem and that people who drink but don't cause issues are not a problem? " Totally! | |||
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"Surely this all boils down to people's personal choice. I go to chams regularly as a single lady I have a drink and a laugh. I don't cause trouble but the way this group is making single women out that they are ruining chams all the time?? Over the past year I've seen d*unk women d*unk men d*unk couple and only on a very rare occasion it's caused trouble which has always been swiftly dealt with. Let's face it if I chose to go get d*unk and have sex with the whole club it's my choice and my consequences . No one said you had to join in!! As for ruining your night I suggest you need to concentrate on what ur doing instead of ur surroundings!!!!" Easier said than done at times. We just stopped going in the evening. | |||
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"Went to chams last night And I was amazed at the amount of people getting rat arsed before they play Why? If you can't play or enjoy other people without getting pissed Is swinging really for you? A lovely cpl we saw and chatted to became quite vile as the night went on Hammered Another woman was falling over pissed I'm sure you will all have some explainations for us " Slightly off topic, I often think that about gay guys, I hear them saying they have to get pissed or on drugs before they can have sex. Why would you if you're true to yourself x | |||
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"Surely this all boils down to people's personal choice. I go to chams regularly as a single lady I have a drink and a laugh. I don't cause trouble but the way this group is making single women out that they are ruining chams all the time?? Over the past year I've seen d*unk women d*unk men d*unk couple and only on a very rare occasion it's caused trouble which has always been swiftly dealt with. Let's face it if I chose to go get d*unk and have sex with the whole club it's my choice and my consequences . No one said you had to join in!! As for ruining your night I suggest you need to concentrate on what ur doing instead of ur surroundings!!!!" Wonder how you would feel if it was a guy who got d*unk and tried to have sex with the whole club | |||
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"Surely this all boils down to people's personal choice. I go to chams regularly as a single lady I have a drink and a laugh. I don't cause trouble but the way this group is making single women out that they are ruining chams all the time?? Over the past year I've seen d*unk women d*unk men d*unk couple and only on a very rare occasion it's caused trouble which has always been swiftly dealt with. Let's face it if I chose to go get d*unk and have sex with the whole club it's my choice and my consequences . No one said you had to join in!! As for ruining your night I suggest you need to concentrate on what ur doing instead of ur surroundings!!!! Wonder how you would feel if it was a guy who got d*unk and tried to have sex with the whole club " Quite frankly my dear it would be no of my business!!!! | |||
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"I posted about this last Sunday but didn't name the clubs involved but Chams was the worst and we complained as we left. Complete liability. I don't know why any club would allow this. As well as being embarrassing nuisances they are at risk of injuring themselves and open to non consensual sex. Just wrong. Every visit there's always at least one d*unk or stinking of stale booze. " In Chams defence...they do not serve alcohol. People who getvpissed have taken their own...so obviously with the intention of getting arseholed! | |||
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" Is swinging really for you? No. Swinging is not for a lot of people. They pollute this site with their timewasting/indecisive/drink fueled antics. There is a couple I meet here semi regularly. Perfectly decent people but they almost always ask me if I have any before we meet up. The wife disappears half way through the meet sometime too. I sit there and ask myself whether they really actually enjoy this activity at all anyway??? People gave me shit for not being too keen on those who would talk to you without any intention of playing. Now, yes, I understand the environment can be intimidating and plenty of people like the social side. But if you're really coming to a swingers club, not actually partaking in any swinging and, when you do, needing to become piss d*unk to do it...are u really even enjoying it???" you meet fuelled people.? | |||
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" Is swinging really for you? No. Swinging is not for a lot of people. They pollute this site with their timewasting/indecisive/drink fueled antics. There is a couple I meet here semi regularly. Perfectly decent people but they almost always ask me if I have any before we meet up. The wife disappears half way through the meet sometime too. I sit there and ask myself whether they really actually enjoy this activity at all anyway??? People gave me shit for not being too keen on those who would talk to you without any intention of playing. Now, yes, I understand the environment can be intimidating and plenty of people like the social side. But if you're really coming to a swingers club, not actually partaking in any swinging and, when you do, needing to become piss d*unk to do it...are u really even enjoying it??? you meet fuelled people.?" You may have done too. Unless you carry out a wee test on everyone you sleep with. It's also amusing the backtracking now happening. Christ, so many of you are full of absolute shit. "You're judgemental for disliking alcoholics in clubs. I have no problem with it" To... "Can we all agree that d*unk people are terrible whereas it's ok to have one or two drinks. I can't admit I am wrong so I am going to pretend as if the thing I was arguing against was exactly what I thought in the first place." Morons. | |||
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" If you can't play or enjoy other people without getting pissed Is swinging really for you? " some people like chem sex, alcohol counts. | |||
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" Is swinging really for you? No. Swinging is not for a lot of people. They pollute this site with their timewasting/indecisive/drink fueled antics. There is a couple I meet here semi regularly. Perfectly decent people but they almost always ask me if I have any before we meet up. The wife disappears half way through the meet sometime too. I sit there and ask myself whether they really actually enjoy this activity at all anyway??? People gave me shit for not being too keen on those who would talk to you without any intention of playing. Now, yes, I understand the environment can be intimidating and plenty of people like the social side. But if you're really coming to a swingers club, not actually partaking in any swinging and, when you do, needing to become piss d*unk to do it...are u really even enjoying it??? you meet fuelled people.? You may have done too. Unless you carry out a wee test on everyone you sleep with. It's also amusing the backtracking now happening. Christ, so many of you are full of absolute shit. "You're judgemental for disliking alcoholics in clubs. I have no problem with it" To... "Can we all agree that d*unk people are terrible whereas it's ok to have one or two drinks. I can't admit I am wrong so I am going to pretend as if the thing I was arguing against was exactly what I thought in the first place." Morons." Whilst I'm not a fan of excessive drinking, especially in swingers clubs as I like to be aware of what I'm doing/others are doing to me and enjoy the experience, I've been reading through this thread and have found some of your replies quite judgmental. It seems you are taking some things out of context and not really taking on board what is being said. My husband and I have been on meets where we have been asked if we take , neither of us take drugs and make it clear we won't play with anyone who has however we've been told 'you have the most amazing sex on '. Whatever! We enjoy ourselves enough without the use of illegal drugs but each to their own, if they aren't bothering us or making nuisances of themselves I'd never feel the need to lecture! But just reading through your profile I see you have a list of dislikes and was surprised that you haven't included 'people high on drink or drugs'. Perhaps an idea to add this as you feel so strongly don't you think? Then you won't be approached by those who like to partake. | |||
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"I posted about this last Sunday but didn't name the clubs involved but Chams was the worst and we complained as we left. Complete liability. I don't know why any club would allow this. As well as being embarrassing nuisances they are at risk of injuring themselves and open to non consensual sex. Just wrong. Every visit there's always at least one d*unk or stinking of stale booze. In Chams defence...they do not serve alcohol. People who getvpissed have taken their own...so obviously with the intention of getting arseholed!" But I think they have a duty of care to all their patrons and should make every attempt to ensure safety prevails at all times. Serving alcohol up to the woman we have described who was already incapable of walking unaided is irresponsible. Because this is exactly what was happening as we left. In the absence of her being able to make an informed decision herself, the club should step in. | |||
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"Deluded that the d*unken fumble at the end of the night is swinging. They might not class themselves as swingers but find themselves most comfortable at swinging clubs. Isn't variety and keeping things exciting what swinging is all about? No. Because all one is really doing is creating a barrier between themselves and most of the punters. As said, its fine if you dont want to participate but if you have absolutely no intention and then you're gonna get wasted and disturbing the peace? Then no, variety is exactly what you dont want and framing it as such tends to just create excuses for it. I did previously state that I don't agree with getting paralytic and that it's dangerous for everyone involved. You stated earlier on that you won't talk to people who have no intention of playing, is that playing with you or playing in general? If you mean playing with you then aren't you also creating a barrier between you and anyone that doesn't want to play with you? 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Of course, not approving of someone being a d*unken mess means we're "judgemental". Christ, some of you are like children are you for real.Why are you clearly taking everything she says out of context.you say people that have a drink are irresponsible but you say further up in the thread which you conveniently failed to reply to my comment on it that you regularly meet a couple where the woman drinks and takes mid play and you sit there and wonder if she even wants to do it. but you crack on anyway.hyporcrite much eh . Yes, excessively is a problem. And yes, I dont like the fact that she continuously gets high. Had to mention it outright. Maybe I'll stop playing with them. Should their behaviour fall out of line. This is the thing though, you somehow think that I (or a third party) should somehow be the one responsible for policing that couples behavior. And hey, maybe I should. But if you need others to tell you when to put the liquor down then, yes, you're extremely irresponsible. And no, I wont sit here and glorify your bad behavior.the woman you keep responding to never said she drinks excesivly to the point of being a pain in the arse and a liability.she said she likes a drink for nerves or whatever like most do and you keep making her out to be some sort of alcoholic.thing is everybody will agree with you that someone who has had to much is not a good look and very anoying but the funny thing is you are the only one on the thread who is complaning the most yet admits to fucking them anyway .you can't seriously think it's ok to fuck a woman who by your own admission indulged in drink and drugs to the point where you sit and think she isint even wanting to fuck you but you do it anyway. That's olso a pretty bold and dodgy statment to say it's not your job to police d*unks but you will fuck them when they have had to much as it's not your problem or did I take that out of context . 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I mean, that is pretty much what you're saying." you would be wrong as we don't even go to clubs its not our thing at all lol.you are a one trick pony with constantly taking people out of context and saying that anyone who dissagrees with you about having a drink automatically is an alcholic. like you are constantly saying to that other woman who only says she likes a drink for nerves hence why I commented in the first place.thing is there is nothing special about you disliking people who have had to much because guess what,everybody hates people who have had to much but you are the only one who can't see the difference between someone enjoying a social drink and being an alcoholic lol.and the funny thing is your the only one who admits to fucking someone who you wondered if they even wanted to be doing it as they were full of drink and drugs fs.it's all there in black and white so nobody is making you to be anything but you sure are trying to do so to others. . | |||
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"The drinking by the ladies before fucking is a cultural thing that started from vanilla. It comes from the ladies going to the normal clubs ,getting high and taking someone home for the night. When these ladies get into the lifestyle they cannot stop this habbit, that is all that is. A little is ok but getting hammered is not but I accept that 98percent of the ladies need this for confidence, so it is ok as long as they are not hammered because they are matured ladies, so no problem. Plus most of the ladies have not had fun while growing up , strict parents, they married early, early pregnancy etc so they have not really played and fucked well so I will give them a pass" So many wrong points here, can't answer them all. | |||
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"The drinking by the ladies before fucking is a cultural thing that started from vanilla. It comes from the ladies going to the normal clubs ,getting high and taking someone home for the night. When these ladies get into the lifestyle they cannot stop this habbit, that is all that is. A little is ok but getting hammered is not but I accept that 98percent of the ladies need this for confidence, so it is ok as long as they are not hammered because they are matured ladies, so no problem. Plus most of the ladies have not had fun while growing up , strict parents, they married early, early pregnancy etc so they have not really played and fucked well so I will give them a pass" Indulge me...how about the men that drink then? | |||
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"The drinking by the ladies before fucking is a cultural thing that started from vanilla. It comes from the ladies going to the normal clubs ,getting high and taking someone home for the night. When these ladies get into the lifestyle they cannot stop this habbit, that is all that is. A little is ok but getting hammered is not but I accept that 98percent of the ladies need this for confidence, so it is ok as long as they are not hammered because they are matured ladies, so no problem. Plus most of the ladies have not had fun while growing up , strict parents, they married early, early pregnancy etc so they have not really played and fucked well so I will give them a pass" 98% of ladies need a drink to boost their confidence? 98%? Most of the ladies haven't had fun growing up? There are so many wrong assumptions on your post that I hardly know where to start. We left the Victorian era behind many many years ago. Get out more and meet some; you might be pleasantly surprised. | |||
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"Townhouse seem to have a sensible line on this, be interested to hear any experience ? Not sure who is being referred to in some of these comments. I certainly never said zero drinking...my posts are about d*unks. Massive difference " Ditto. | |||
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"The drinking by the ladies before fucking is a cultural thing that started from vanilla. It comes from the ladies going to the normal clubs ,getting high and taking someone home for the night. When these ladies get into the lifestyle they cannot stop this habbit, that is all that is. A little is ok but getting hammered is not but I accept that 98percent of the ladies need this for confidence, so it is ok as long as they are not hammered because they are matured ladies, so no problem. Plus most of the ladies have not had fun while growing up , strict parents, they married early, early pregnancy etc so they have not really played and fucked well so I will give them a pass" Oh my Lord, you dont 'alf talk some nonsense James Some of you thoughts on women are downright scary | |||
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