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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We won't attend a club on single men nights. Men back in my day wouldn't think twice about pestering women in clubs and may not get anything in the end lol |
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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago
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A club I was in on Saturday was full of couples and single females
I would say that single guys help support the club, but it has to be correct ratio
To many puts couples off, not enough single women and couples that like guys don't go. It's a tricky one. Clubs tend to find what works for them. |
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It really is a case of supply and demand, and market forces really. Clubs need both men and couples to make it work financially, but men are in greater supply and are willing to pay more than couples. Yes clubs could lower the price for men but then you risk having clubs with lots of men and very few women. |
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"Are single men keeping clubs going because of the higher feesthey have to pay?
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In general yes they are!
Some clubs have events with more even pricing structures or reduced prices though - so worth looking out for them!
Personally I much prefer nights/clubs where single guys can attend as I think the dynamic is less cliquey - and most single guys know how to behave perfectly well in a club! Xx |
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"Are single men keeping clubs going because of the higher feesthey have to pay?
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No. It's supply and demand. At present you could say that single males cross subsidise couples, but if the single men weren't there then the couples would simply pay higher prices to keep the club going. Assuming the correct price elasticity of demand, of course. |
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"Chams on a Saturday night can be very busy when no single guys are allowed so I think they would survive well enough without them."
TBH I think it's wrong that the two principal Birmingham clubs don't allow guys EVERY Saturday night.
Seems grossly unfair to me and certainly puts me off going - many other single fems I know too!
Shame as they're good clubs. |
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We hate clubs that don't allow single men
Who said swinging was all about couple swap or playing with fems ?
With the right management all should be welcome
Seen some momentous kick offs between couples and catfights with fems so why is it men are given the bad rep ?
Very outdated !! |
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To an extent yes, but on the other hand no. We often drive more than 75 miles there and back or pay for a hotel as well. When you add in outfits, boots and the overall entry fee, no I don't think so. Too many men pay to get in, assume sex is a given and don't dress to impress. Typically we don't get away with spending less than £100 a night - Woolford stockings aren't cheap you know!
It is a night out and if you go with a view that you will meet people, get veri'd, have a nice time and if you smile and say hello to people before they get their kit off, you might also enjoy some sex. We don't always score when we're at clubs, but we have always had a great time. |
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"We hate clubs that don't allow single men
Who said swinging was all about couple swap or playing with fems ?
With the right management all should be welcome
Seen some momentous kick offs between couples and catfights with fems so why is it men are given the bad rep ?
Very outdated !! "
Because there is more bad behaviour from single men than there are catfights. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'd agree yes with the prices, however we avoid nights when single guys are allowed.
We get sick of almost being harrassesed as soon as we walk through the door. One guy we had to report as he just wouldn't take no as an answer.
We never try to encourage them and are polite when we say no.
But sitting in a sauna full of single guys and being asked by nearly all of them if they can join in with us before even engaging in any type of conversation.
But we do feel the pricing structure is unfair as single ladies get in far cheaper. |
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By *ngeluk69Woman
over a year ago
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"I'd agree yes with the prices, however we avoid nights when single guys are allowed.
We get sick of almost being harrassesed as soon as we walk through the door. One guy we had to report as he just wouldn't take no as an answer.
We never try to encourage them and are polite when we say no.
But sitting in a sauna full of single guys and being asked by nearly all of them if they can join in with us before even engaging in any type of conversation.
But we do feel the pricing structure is unfair as single ladies get in far cheaper."
That says to me that the club is at fault there, for not managing the guys very well, if they are a nuisance. That's their problem, not the single guys.
Clubs should be clear about the behaviour they expect from all attending and actually eject those that are not adhering to the rules, meaning everyone.
Guys do pay more, my local club charges guys £10 more than couples on most evenings and very rarely there are issues with a balance of numbers. |
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"I'd agree yes with the prices, however we avoid nights when single guys are allowed.
We get sick of almost being harrassesed as soon as we walk through the door. One guy we had to report as he just wouldn't take no as an answer.
We never try to encourage them and are polite when we say no.
But sitting in a sauna full of single guys and being asked by nearly all of them if they can join in with us before even engaging in any type of conversation.
But we do feel the pricing structure is unfair as single ladies get in far cheaper.
That says to me that the club is at fault there, for not managing the guys very well, if they are a nuisance. That's their problem, not the single guys.
Clubs should be clear about the behaviour they expect from all attending and actually eject those that are not adhering to the rules, meaning everyone.
Guys do pay more, my local club charges guys £10 more than couples on most evenings and very rarely there are issues with a balance of numbers."
Absolutely ! Bad behaviour is bad behaviour whatever the sex or whatever their relationship status
Clubs that charge extortionate amounts above and beyond the prices for couples for example is wrong
If I was a single male and paying so much more I would prob be seen as annoying to the couples and fems haha
Fair pricing definately stops this and is evident thro clubs that impose it !!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We won't attend a club on single men nights. Men back in my day wouldn't think twice about pestering women in clubs and may not get anything in the end lol"
Exactly what happened at Libertys this Friday, with three or four males constantly prowling thinking they were entitled to do whatever they pleased without invite. We'll go back there, but most likely on a Saturday, which is a shame as there were a couple of really classy gents there as well as all the pests. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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eureka charges the same for single male as a couple.. in fact the couples there 99% of the time outweigh the single men... so NO Eureka doesn't milk the single male xxx |
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"We won't attend a club on single men nights. Men back in my day wouldn't think twice about pestering women in clubs and may not get anything in the end lol
Exactly what happened at Libertys this Friday, with three or four males constantly prowling thinking they were entitled to do whatever they pleased without invite. We'll go back there, but most likely on a Saturday, which is a shame as there were a couple of really classy gents there as well as all the pests."
Yup. A minority of single males ruined our last friday trip to AbFabs, so now we only go on couples nights. We've never had a couple try to grope Mrs in the jacuzzi without asking but multiple single males seem to think it's fine. Not all couples are well behaved but there is a lot more bad behaviour from single males than couples or women. |
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"eureka charges the same for single male as a couple.. in fact the couples there 99% of the time outweigh the single men... so NO Eureka doesn't milk the single male xxx"
Not entirely true,for some events, but they get charged the same as two people attending as a couple, if they get there before a certain time. Single women prices are much cheaper or free. |
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"eureka charges the same for single male as a couple.. in fact the couples there 99% of the time outweigh the single men... so NO Eureka doesn't milk the single male xxx
Not entirely true,for some events, but they get charged the same as two people attending as a couple, if they get there before a certain time. Single women prices are much cheaper or free. "
That's exactly what loves2 said ????
Single males are charged same as a couple !
Some other clubs charge a premium rate on top of that for single men ... don't understand your point ? |
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This subject has been done to death over the years but it will never change.
Mixed clubs need to encourage couples and single fems as much as they can so keep the prices as low as possible for what is the smaller group.
Because of that the single guys, from the much larger group, have to pay more or the club loses money. In effect the guys are subsidising the couples and ladies.
Here in Germany the couples only clubs will charge anything from 70€ - 120€ for a couple. However the mixed clubs come much cheaper, from as little as 10€ probably averaging around 30€ - 40€.
As an example we are going to a club this coming Sunday for what is called Herrenuberschuss which pretty much translates as surplus men.
The Joyclub guest list is currently running at 93 couples, 17 single ladies, and.... wait for it....147 single guys. Prices are 35€ 15€ and 60€ respectively with some small discounts available for premium members. Like most German clubs it includes hot and cold buffet and free bar.
I think it illustrates two specific points. Firstly that single guys paying more isn't just confined to the UK (it's a very similar situation in Spain and France as well BTW) and secondly if the club can charge 60€ a pop for single guys and get 147 who will pay it, then why the hell should they even think about cutting prices?
To be honest we think of it as (with apologies to the old beer advert) reassuringly expensive. |
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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago
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"Chams on a Saturday night can be very busy when no single guys are allowed so I think they would survive well enough without them.
TBH I think it's wrong that the two principal Birmingham clubs don't allow guys EVERY Saturday night.
Seems grossly unfair to me and certainly puts me off going - many other single fems I know too!
Shame as they're good clubs."
This is a good point - also with 100 quid membership for single guys for chams is excessive. London is not much better on a Saturday night either
For me the Manchester clubs get the single guy membership pretty much about right. But that's why I tend to enjoy my Saturdays there
I was looking st going to chams one Saturday afternoon early evening but I might as well pay extra travel costs and stay in a hotel and go to cupids or amours, than turn up at chams and maybe not even get membership
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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago
harrow |
Also to the point about single guys pissing couples off. Then do one of two things:
Either say sorry to the guys you are making me feel unconfatbale or no please do not touch me
And or speak to the staff that work at the club. The staff could then have a private word.
There has been times in past were I thought someone was intreasted I touched a leg or arm and it got moved away, that for me was enough to say sorry to the person
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The only time I have been inappropriately touched was at a club where the male half of the couple grabbed both my boobs without asking.. he found it quite funny I didn't!!! This was at a couples only night too !!!! It was the first time I had met or spoken this couple .. and this wasn't at Eureka.... so......... |
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We will only go to clubs on nights when single guys are allowed in-this doesnt mean that we will definately play with a single guy, just that we like to keep our options open. We are happy for single guys to approach us {would prefer that to being followed round or stared at} and also for them to stroke T's arm or leg- If she is interested then they can continue -if not we will tell them. Simples!! |
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"Also to the point about single guys pissing couples off. Then do one of two things:
Either say sorry to the guys you are making me feel unconfatbale or no please do not touch me
And or speak to the staff that work at the club. The staff could then have a private word.
There has been times in past were I thought someone was intreasted I touched a leg or arm and it got moved away, that for me was enough to say sorry to the person
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You're supposed to ask before you touch anyone. That avoids those kind of incidents. Most guys aren't good with hints. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Surely it doesnt matter as long as the club remains in business and people enjoy themselves when they go. Club management can easily adjust rules of numbers and addmitance policies to deal with any issues that may arise such as too many or too few single guys. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Also to the point about single guys pissing couples off. Then do one of two things:
Either say sorry to the guys you are making me feel unconfatbale or no please do not touch me
And or speak to the staff that work at the club. The staff could then have a private word.
There has been times in past were I thought someone was intreasted I touched a leg or arm and it got moved away, that for me was enough to say sorry to the person
You're supposed to ask before you touch anyone. That avoids those kind of incidents. Most guys aren't good with hints. "
absolutely right...... but for example the next women who gets slapped down for touching someone before asking will i believe be the first one who does!!!!
and I think i am about to say something that is unpopular... but it is true...
There is a "section" of couples that regardless of what a single guy does, will always look down on them......
i say to anyone that i speak to that all good conversations and most shitty ones all start with the say word.... "hello!"
i have brill chats with anyone whether thats in the bar or in the outside/smoking areas.... but i have also said hello and gotten that "you are like shit on my shoe" look....
and sometimes singles just can't do right for doing wrong.......
a couple that i now consider to be one of my besties, we got off to a shakey start... they were in a hottub, i got in and said hi...
next words.... don't expect to play with us in here!!!!
my next words..... I got in to relax and unwind, if you think anything else... your telepathy is off!!!
harsh... yep... but it broke their attitude! stood up for myself, and taught them that no all guys are the same!
I am responsible for my own actions and no one elses, just as no one else is me!! |
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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago
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"Also to the point about single guys pissing couples off. Then do one of two things:
Either say sorry to the guys you are making me feel unconfatbale or no please do not touch me
And or speak to the staff that work at the club. The staff could then have a private word.
There has been times in past were I thought someone was intreasted I touched a leg or arm and it got moved away, that for me was enough to say sorry to the person
You're supposed to ask before you touch anyone. That avoids those kind of incidents. Most guys aren't good with hints. "
If you actually read I said past, and that was a situation where were in a group play, I got close nothing was said and no hints, I touched her arm in a non sexual way. I mean it wasn't stroked or grabbed it was a light touch.
And when I said in past that's over 8 years ago. So it isn't something I do regularly. |
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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago
harrow |
"Also to the point about single guys pissing couples off. Then do one of two things:
Either say sorry to the guys you are making me feel unconfatbale or no please do not touch me
And or speak to the staff that work at the club. The staff could then have a private word.
There has been times in past were I thought someone was intreasted I touched a leg or arm and it got moved away, that for me was enough to say sorry to the person
You're supposed to ask before you touch anyone. That avoids those kind of incidents. Most guys aren't good with hints.
absolutely right...... but for example the next women who gets slapped down for touching someone before asking will i believe be the first one who does!!!!
and I think i am about to say something that is unpopular... but it is true...
There is a "section" of couples that regardless of what a single guy does, will always look down on them......
i say to anyone that i speak to that all good conversations and most shitty ones all start with the say word.... "hello!"
i have brill chats with anyone whether thats in the bar or in the outside/smoking areas.... but i have also said hello and gotten that "you are like shit on my shoe" look....
and sometimes singles just can't do right for doing wrong.......
a couple that i now consider to be one of my besties, we got off to a shakey start... they were in a hottub, i got in and said hi...
next words.... don't expect to play with us in here!!!!
my next words..... I got in to relax and unwind, if you think anything else... your telepathy is off!!!
harsh... yep... but it broke their attitude! stood up for myself, and taught them that no all guys are the same!
I am responsible for my own actions and no one elses, just as no one else is me!! "
In the last 6 months i have been touched twice by a woman without asking, one time i snapped back and excuse me you have just touched my arse with asking and I didn't apreciate it. If she had asked she would have been welcome to, but we hadn't spoken all evening so it would have been touch and go if I would have let her
Another person done the same but we had been speaking and flirting, i did say but you didn't ask to touch my bum, and I followed it with a jokey tut tut tut, then smiled and said is fine.
When there is a couple in a jacuzzi, I always ask do you mind me joining them, i will leave it up to then if they think I am joining them to play - most times not but it's a good way to have a flirt and a chat and relax, and if they say we don't mind then that is brilliant |
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"Also to the point about single guys pissing couples off. Then do one of two things:
Either say sorry to the guys you are making me feel unconfatbale or no please do not touch me
And or speak to the staff that work at the club. The staff could then have a private word.
There has been times in past were I thought someone was intreasted I touched a leg or arm and it got moved away, that for me was enough to say sorry to the person
You're supposed to ask before you touch anyone. That avoids those kind of incidents. Most guys aren't good with hints.
absolutely right...... but for example the next women who gets slapped down for touching someone before asking will i believe be the first one who does!!!!
and I think i am about to say something that is unpopular... but it is true...
There is a "section" of couples that regardless of what a single guy does, will always look down on them......
i say to anyone that i speak to that all good conversations and most shitty ones all start with the say word.... "hello!"
i have brill chats with anyone whether thats in the bar or in the outside/smoking areas.... but i have also said hello and gotten that "you are like shit on my shoe" look....
and sometimes singles just can't do right for doing wrong.......
a couple that i now consider to be one of my besties, we got off to a shakey start... they were in a hottub, i got in and said hi...
next words.... don't expect to play with us in here!!!!
my next words..... I got in to relax and unwind, if you think anything else... your telepathy is off!!!
harsh... yep... but it broke their attitude! stood up for myself, and taught them that no all guys are the same!
I am responsible for my own actions and no one elses, just as no one else is me!! "
Well sorry to be disagreeable but yes I've been just as harsh to a woman who touched without asking. She was part of a couple but she was female. I do recognise the attitude you are talking about but usually it comes from bad experiences with a miniority of single guys. |
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Posts like this always show where the good guys,(and girls)are.
The ones that never touch without permission,don't walk about in packs,don't wank whilst leering,always respectful,make eye contact,indulge in conversation,you know,the top blokes(and girls).
Where's all the wankers and touchers and leerers?
Dont you want to defend your actions?
Or are none of you on fab?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We won't attend a club on single men nights. Men back in my day wouldn't think twice about pestering women in clubs and may not get anything in the end lol
Exactly what happened at Libertys this Friday, with three or four males constantly prowling thinking they were entitled to do whatever they pleased without invite. We'll go back there, but most likely on a Saturday, which is a shame as there were a couple of really classy gents there as well as all the pests.
Yup. A minority of single males ruined our last friday trip to AbFabs, so now we only go on couples nights. We've never had a couple try to grope Mrs in the jacuzzi without asking but multiple single males seem to think it's fine. Not all couples are well behaved but there is a lot more bad behaviour from single males than couples or women. "
Certainly true from our experience. Pity it ruins it for the good guys, who are really great on occasion. |
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"Posts like this always show where the good guys,(and girls)are.
The ones that never touch without permission,don't walk about in packs,don't wank whilst leering,always respectful,make eye contact,indulge in conversation,you know,the top blokes(and girls).
Where's all the wankers and touchers and leerers?
Dont you want to defend your actions?
Or are none of you on fab?
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They are all too busy planning their next leering , touching and wanking club visit haha  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Also to the point about single guys pissing couples off. Then do one of two things:
Either say sorry to the guys you are making me feel unconfatbale or no please do not touch me
And or speak to the staff that work at the club. The staff could then have a private word.
There has been times in past were I thought someone was intreasted I touched a leg or arm and it got moved away, that for me was enough to say sorry to the person
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That isn't enough in some cases sadly. It should be and it certainly would be if I was a single guy attending. Hard to to brush up against people if you're in a hot tub for instance, but doing it deliberately without invite isn't on. This happened at Libertys last Friday. If you did it in the street you'do be likely to get a slap or be up for assault. Being in a club doesn't change the boundaries of decency and automatically make a woman fair game. Fully realise it's not always easy for the decent single men either to be fair. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If we go we tend to go on nights where we know single guys will be there. Past experiences have found that couples attracted more drama and rules to remember than a bit of fun with a single.
That's said we enjoy couples, but that tends to be private meets or at least pre arranged meeting at a club.
If paying £45-60 for a night of social with sexy people, dance and possible fun then I'm sorry but your sounding kinda cheap  |
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Think most clubs have a night where single guys can attend
So clubs should have a day that they can't too simples
We have found most guys to be respectful when chatting but also have encountered idiots who constantly try locked doors or follow u around even when told your not interested
For this reason we prefer a night where single guys are not allowed as it's more relaxing |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Chams on a Saturday night can be very busy when no single guys are allowed so I think they would survive well enough without them.
TBH I think it's wrong that the two principal Birmingham clubs don't allow guys EVERY Saturday night.
Seems grossly unfair to me and certainly puts me off going - many other single fems I know too!
Shame as they're good clubs."
Nothing worse than trying to play with a couple and you have a couple of guys spying wanking themselves off. Unfortunately, you do get some that are just wandering wankers (a phrase we heard in the clubs) so we just do couple only nights. |
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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago
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it's not easy for genuine single guys
Some women and couples like guy to take the lead, some find it pushy
Some like to be watched and being wanked over some don't
Some only want to play in private rooms, some like the orgy room.
Some like to be chatted to; some just want to fuck
Some want to be touched with out asking, softly others want to be asked
It is a mindfield, and it is bloody easy to get it wrong
I would say the one key point is to try and smile, and talk to people, that helps and take your own condoms.
For me I tend to forget to ask to play, talk for ages, then don't pick up signals and then they have moved on to someone else
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We hate clubs that don't allow single men
Who said swinging was all about couple swap or playing with fems ?
With the right management all should be welcome
Seen some momentous kick offs between couples and catfights with fems so why is it men are given the bad rep ?
Very outdated !! "
Completely wrong in our ecperience. |
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By *olliPineCouple
over a year ago
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"Are single men keeping clubs going because of the higher feesthey have to pay?
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This stupid argument again... Absolutely not.
Couples and females have to pay too.
As a single male would you go to a sausage fest of a club with no couples and women in attendance?
It's couples who keep the clubs alive, and technically speaking it's the couple who are the swingers anyway.
Without the females (from couples or as singles), the clubs would die.
If you don't like it, try your luck elsewhere. Or better still - open a club to your morals and see how successful it is.
It's the attendance of females that keep the club's going, not the money from the males.
The additional cost is to stop the club being filled with males, which skews the ratio. Too many males and the females stop going, which means the males stop going, which means the club dies.
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"Chams on a Saturday night can be very busy when no single guys are allowed so I think they would survive well enough without them.
TBH I think it's wrong that the two principal Birmingham clubs don't allow guys EVERY Saturday night.
Seems grossly unfair to me and certainly puts me off going - many other single fems I know too!
Shame as they're good clubs.
Nothing worse than trying to play with a couple and you have a couple of guys spying wanking themselves off. Unfortunately, you do get some that are just wandering wankers (a phrase we heard in the clubs) so we just do couple only nights."
That's why clubs do need space for people to watch without being too intrusive, cos let's face it, they're are going to anyway. Actually, I think the "White Line Rule" at OurPlace4Fun works really well. |
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"Are single men keeping clubs going because of the higher feesthey have to pay?
This stupid argument again... Absolutely not.
Couples and females have to pay too.
As a single male would you go to a sausage fest of a club with no couples and women in attendance?
It's couples who keep the clubs alive, and technically speaking it's the couple who are the swingers anyway.
Without the females (from couples or as singles), the clubs would die.
If you don't like it, try your luck elsewhere. Or better still - open a club to your morals and see how successful it is.
It's the attendance of females that keep the club's going, not the money from the males.
The additional cost is to stop the club being filled with males, which skews the ratio. Too many males and the females stop going, which means the males stop going, which means the club dies.
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Not that I agree or disagree particularly but you can just have a cap on the admittance of single men without needing to charge a much higher entrance fee. Using the argument that it keeps the numbers in check is just a very convenient way of justifying the charges.
I'm sure it is the money raised from admitting single men that keeps clubs in business.. It's just whether it can be justified to charge such large amounts to just one particular type of customer. |
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"We hate clubs that don't allow single men
Who said swinging was all about couple swap or playing with fems ?
With the right management all should be welcome
Seen some momentous kick offs between couples and catfights with fems so why is it men are given the bad rep ?
Very outdated !!
Completely wrong in our ecperience."
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"To an extent yes, but on the other hand no. We often drive more than 75 miles there and back or pay for a hotel as well. When you add in outfits, boots and the overall entry fee, no I don't think so. Too many men pay to get in, assume sex is a given and don't dress to impress. Typically we don't get away with spending less than £100 a night - Woolford stockings aren't cheap you know!
It is a night out and if you go with a view that you will meet people, get veri'd, have a nice time and if you smile and say hello to people before they get their kit off, you might also enjoy some sex. We don't always score when we're at clubs, but we have always had a great time."
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We tend to go on nights that single guys are admitted because we tend to play with single guys in a threesome .
Mostly they have been respectful and non pushy ,we've had the occasional one that has not taken more than one hint that we are not interested but that is in the minority .
We do however think that some clubs by charging a premium for single guys it makes some guys think that they are entitled to fuck who ever they want .
We think that clubs need more staff patrolling the play areas to police for disrespectful people guys/fems and couples
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"Chams on a Saturday night can be very busy when no single guys are allowed so I think they would survive well enough without them.
TBH I think it's wrong that the two principal Birmingham clubs don't allow guys EVERY Saturday night.
Seems grossly unfair to me and certainly puts me off going - many other single fems I know too!
Shame as they're good clubs."
I live in the west midlands and I now go to the Attic club in Derby on Saturday night if I fancy a club as they allow single guys on Saturday nights. Would be a good place for you and your single fems friends to visit if you like single guys on a Saturday night in the Midlands. |
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"We tend to go on nights that single guys are admitted because we tend to play with single guys in a threesome .
Mostly they have been respectful and non pushy ,we've had the occasional one that has not taken more than one hint that we are not interested but that is in the minority .
We do however think that some clubs by charging a premium for single guys it makes some guys think that they are entitled to fuck who ever they want .
We think that clubs need more staff patrolling the play areas to police for disrespectful people guys/fems and couples
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Superb idea! Doesn't have to be obtrusive. VA have a very nice gent (Steed on here I believe) who treads very softly doing just this. He does it so subtly and precisely that unless you work in certain industries you'd fail to notice completely, so good is he at it - and it's much appreciated. |
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"Are single men keeping clubs going because of the higher feesthey have to pay?
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No... The couples and single ladies are keeping the clubs running due to being the reason why everyone goes.
If there's no ladies, then there's no guys... even if it's free entry.
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I don't mind the premium charged from single men. The problem is by charging more few of them will think they are entitled to do whatever they want.
I had few nights completed ruined by what I call the 'Zombie Wankers' surrounding the bed in common play areas and putting couples and single females completely off.
I guess on my experience as they tend to get luck with this intrusive behaviour they will never stop. |
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"Are single men keeping clubs going because of the higher feesthey have to pay?
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NO ... the main income for any club is couples, single guys pay a premium simply because there are too many of them for clubs to balance the ratio of single guys to couples. |
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All for charging everyone the same personally - as long as the clubs ensure the ratio is good (as most do) and that anyone (male or otherwise) is banned from the club if they misbehave or show poor standards of respect. This would quickly get rid of those who make others time there difficult and make room for the decent ones who will enhance the evening, socially or otherwise. There are no shortages of single males so no one gets disadvantaged and the reputation of single males who do attend in turn becomes enhanced. Win - win! |
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"Chams on a Saturday night can be very busy when no single guys are allowed so I think they would survive well enough without them.
TBH I think it's wrong that the two principal Birmingham clubs don't allow guys EVERY Saturday night.
Seems grossly unfair to me and certainly puts me off going - many other single fems I know too!
Shame as they're good clubs."
It puts us off going too. We like single guys. |
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It puts us off going too. We like single guys."
I think the idea is that people choose the club and nights which most suit their needs. There are many couples who won't go to a club if there are single guys in, just because they don't like being followed around everywhere.
Personally we're not fussed, sometimes we go searching for guys, other times for couples but we've never felt that the guys are too much to deal with.
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Guys do get taking advatage of. A number of years ago, we signed up as a single male and a single female on a Fuck Buddy site, purely to be nosey, anyone we'd recognise.
Both were unpaying accounts and the guys profile was totally restricted but the female was allowed to receieve and send messages.
Generally, guys are more sex orientated and there are a greater number of guys willing to sign up and pay. So places will restrict and hike up the charges. If you want to beat the higher costs, get a partner and become a couple. |
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Hello folks, only v recently discovered the forum on here, here's my 2 pence speaking from someone who as of yet hasn't had ANY experience in the swinging world.
It's disgusting that you ladies get groped without permission in these clubs. That kind of behaviour isn't acceptable anywhere else and it's still not acceptable in a sex club. Their mentality is absolutely ridiculous. Being polite would probably increase there chances of an invite and getting more enjoyment out of it. |
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"Hello folks, only v recently discovered the forum on here, here's my 2 pence speaking from someone who as of yet hasn't had ANY experience in the swinging world.
It's disgusting that you ladies get groped without permission in these clubs. That kind of behaviour isn't acceptable anywhere else and it's still not acceptable in a sex club. Their mentality is absolutely ridiculous. Being polite would probably increase there chances of an invite and getting more enjoyment out of it. "
Exactly mate! Although i'm the male half of the couple speaking not only do I 100% agree with you, but also appreciate how difficult it can be for single males, with the excellent ones being tarred with the same brush as the ones who ruin things for everyone. Good on yer fella! Hope you do well on here! |
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I wouldn't bother, if single men boycotted these clubs they'd doon be begging us to continue subsidising them. I can't be asked with a lot of these couples with their head up their arses. |
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"I wouldn't bother, if single men boycotted these clubs they'd doon be begging us to continue subsidising them. I can't be asked with a lot of these couples with their head up their arses. "
In our experience we've not often met couples with their "heads up their arses" (although there have been one or two - and we've avoided them like the plague) - but have come across entitled single males who think th entrance fee gives them a green light to do what they like to anyone without a word being exchanged. As we said before they certainly ruin things for the classy males who end up being tarred with the same brush. In all honesty I think it would be a pity if decent blokes stooped going, but I don't think the argument over 'subsidising' stands up. As stated before I as a bloke would be happy to see the same costs for everyone, but would work on a zero tolerance for those who misbehave, kicking them out permanently from any decent club, enhancing the reputation of the club's and the single males who do go. |
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"I wouldn't bother, if single men boycotted these clubs they'd doon be begging us to continue subsidising them. I can't be asked with a lot of these couples with their head up their arses. "
We've been to over a dozen clubs now and the prices have varied from £10 to £50, the price doesn't seem to effect how popular the club is. People are happy to pay more if the club provides what they want. It's also quite common to charge the couples more on nights when single guys are excluded.
The clubs know that too many single guys is counter productive, there needs to be a ballance between guys & ladies (single or in couples) otherwise most guys get no attention and the ladies get harassed.
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"I wouldn't bother, if single men boycotted these clubs they'd doon be begging us to continue subsidising them. I can't be asked with a lot of these couples with their head up their arses.
We've been to over a dozen clubs now and the prices have varied from £10 to £50, the price doesn't seem to effect how popular the club is. People are happy to pay more if the club provides what they want. It's also quite common to charge the couples more on nights when single guys are excluded.
The clubs know that too many single guys is counter productive, there needs to be a ballance between guys & ladies (single or in couples) otherwise most guys get no attention and the ladies get harassed.
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Completely agree! |
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"Are single men keeping clubs going because of the higher feesthey have to pay?
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Yes for some clubs.
A few clubs don't rely on a single source for majority of income. They have figured out a really good system that works for all.
Some clubs would go under pretty quick without the money from single men. They depend on men paying much higher entrance fees. |
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Many more men would go to a club, followed by couples and the least would be single females.
So it would stand to reason to make single females the cheapest to attract more, couples are middle ground and to keep the number of guys down, they would have to pay the most.
If you brought the cost down for guys, in the short term, clubs will fill up with guys eventually deterring couples and females, long term the guys number drop and with club will have poor customer flow/base and shut.
Clubs are a business and not a charity. The alternative is to set up your own club, put guys on low rates and see what happens. |
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"I wouldn't bother, if single men boycotted these clubs they'd doon be begging us to continue subsidising them. I can't be asked with a lot of these couples with their head up their arses.
We've been to over a dozen clubs now and the prices have varied from £10 to £50, the price doesn't seem to effect how popular the club is. People are happy to pay more if the club provides what they want. It's also quite common to charge the couples more on nights when single guys are excluded.
The clubs know that too many single guys is counter productive, there needs to be a ballance between guys & ladies (single or in couples) otherwise most guys get no attention and the ladies get harassed.
Cal "
Agreed. Clubs need to implement measures to balance out the numbers. Otherwise, clubs could get overrun by single males, all vying for chance to play with couples and single women. This wouldn't be nice for all. |
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I'm really sick of the argument that the single male prices are to keep numbers under control. AbFabs charges £60 on a Friday and is always oversubscribed. What keeps numbers under control is the club limiting how many single men they let through the door. |
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"I'm really sick of the argument that the single male prices are to keep numbers under control. AbFabs charges £60 on a Friday and is always oversubscribed. What keeps numbers under control is the club limiting how many single men they let through the door."
How does that work?..what would be the criteria for entry, first come first served?...what if people have arranged to meet there only for the guy to be refused entry?...what it be an arbritrary quality system?...I don't think there is actually an answer to this question judging by the number of posts on the subject and there never being a clear cut answer. I guess it's just go to the clubs that suit you and avoid the ones that don't. |
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"I'm really sick of the argument that the single male prices are to keep numbers under control. AbFabs charges £60 on a Friday and is always oversubscribed. What keeps numbers under control is the club limiting how many single men they let through the door.
How does that work?..what would be the criteria for entry, first come first served?...what if people have arranged to meet there only for the guy to be refused entry?...what it be an arbritrary quality system?...I don't think there is actually an answer to this question judging by the number of posts on the subject and there never being a clear cut answer. I guess it's just go to the clubs that suit you and avoid the ones that don't."
It's very simple - require single men to pre-book. Don't let them just turn up. |
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"I wouldn't bother, if single men boycotted these clubs they'd doon be begging us to continue subsidising them. I can't be asked with a lot of these couples with their head up their arses.
We've been to over a dozen clubs now and the prices have varied from £10 to £50, the price doesn't seem to effect how popular the club is. People are happy to pay more if the club provides what they want. It's also quite common to charge the couples more on nights when single guys are excluded.
The clubs know that too many single guys is counter productive, there needs to be a ballance between guys & ladies (single or in couples) otherwise most guys get no attention and the ladies get harassed.
Cal
Agreed. Clubs need to implement measures to balance out the numbers. Otherwise, clubs could get overrun by single males, all vying for chance to play with couples and single women. This wouldn't be nice for all."
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"Many more men would go to a club, followed by couples and the least would be single females.
So it would stand to reason to make single females the cheapest to attract more, couples are middle ground and to keep the number of guys down, they would have to pay the most.
If you brought the cost down for guys, in the short term, clubs will fill up with guys eventually deterring couples and females, long term the guys number drop and with club will have poor customer flow/base and shut.
Clubs are a business and not a charity. The alternative is to set up your own club, put guys on low rates and see what happens."
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"I'm really sick of the argument that the single male prices are to keep numbers under control. AbFabs charges £60 on a Friday and is always oversubscribed. What keeps numbers under control is the club limiting how many single men they let through the door.
How does that work?..what would be the criteria for entry, first come first served?...what if people have arranged to meet there only for the guy to be refused entry?...what it be an arbritrary quality system?...I don't think there is actually an answer to this question judging by the number of posts on the subject and there never being a clear cut answer. I guess it's just go to the clubs that suit you and avoid the ones that don't."
Well said. Never seen a club yet where there were too many males. Not always seen good standards of behaviour, but not once seen a night where the numbers caused a problem. Ratios are good as are permanent barring of those who's behaviour isn't up to the standard expected, but not a fan of hearing single males getting ripped off on entry. Certainly true to say it's generally pretty fair prices at the places we've been. |
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"I'm really sick of the argument that the single male prices are to keep numbers under control. AbFabs charges £60 on a Friday and is always oversubscribed. What keeps numbers under control is the club limiting how many single men they let through the door.
How does that work?..what would be the criteria for entry, first come first served?...what if people have arranged to meet there only for the guy to be refused entry?...what it be an arbritrary quality system?...I don't think there is actually an answer to this question judging by the number of posts on the subject and there never being a clear cut answer. I guess it's just go to the clubs that suit you and avoid the ones that don't.
It's very simple - require single men to pre-book. Don't let them just turn up."
Ok....so 5 men arrange to meet 5 couples....the list is full so 15 people don't go to the club....can't see how this would work. |
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"I'm really sick of the argument that the single male prices are to keep numbers under control. AbFabs charges £60 on a Friday and is always oversubscribed. What keeps numbers under control is the club limiting how many single men they let through the door.
How does that work?..what would be the criteria for entry, first come first served?...what if people have arranged to meet there only for the guy to be refused entry?...what it be an arbritrary quality system?...I don't think there is actually an answer to this question judging by the number of posts on the subject and there never being a clear cut answer. I guess it's just go to the clubs that suit you and avoid the ones that don't.
It's very simple - require single men to pre-book. Don't let them just turn up.
Ok....so 5 men arrange to meet 5 couples....the list is full so 15 people don't go to the club....can't see how this would work."
It works. Plan ahead, get the guys to book early. Yes, I do understand that (horror of horrors) this does require the couple to make a bit of an effort. |
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"I'm really sick of the argument that the single male prices are to keep numbers under control. AbFabs charges £60 on a Friday and is always oversubscribed. What keeps numbers under control is the club limiting how many single men they let through the door.
How does that work?..what would be the criteria for entry, first come first served?...what if people have arranged to meet there only for the guy to be refused entry?...what it be an arbritrary quality system?...I don't think there is actually an answer to this question judging by the number of posts on the subject and there never being a clear cut answer. I guess it's just go to the clubs that suit you and avoid the ones that don't.
It's very simple - require single men to pre-book. Don't let them just turn up.
Ok....so 5 men arrange to meet 5 couples....the list is full so 15 people don't go to the club....can't see how this would work.
It works. Plan ahead, get the guys to book early. Yes, I do understand that (horror of horrors) this does require the couple to make a bit of an effort."
Not sure what the extra effort over and above for couples is here but you seem to have it all worked out. |
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over a year ago
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"I'm really sick of the argument that the single male prices are to keep numbers under control. AbFabs charges £60 on a Friday and is always oversubscribed. What keeps numbers under control is the club limiting how many single men they let through the door.
How does that work?..what would be the criteria for entry, first come first served?...what if people have arranged to meet there only for the guy to be refused entry?...what it be an arbritrary quality system?...I don't think there is actually an answer to this question judging by the number of posts on the subject and there never being a clear cut answer. I guess it's just go to the clubs that suit you and avoid the ones that don't.
It's very simple - require single men to pre-book. Don't let them just turn up.
Ok....so 5 men arrange to meet 5 couples....the list is full so 15 people don't go to the club....can't see how this would work.
It works. Plan ahead, get the guys to book early. Yes, I do understand that (horror of horrors) this does require the couple to make a bit of an effort."
Actually mate I don't like abfabs single guy membership. Reasons are
can't plan in advance to meet a couple or female next week or week after. You have to put name down on a Monday and pre book, and last few times it has been midday on Wednesday before confirmation if I am going. Which is not good. I have been online at 9am Monday morning and still not heard anything
60 quid is a lot by the time you add drinks and taxi to and from tube station - even more if I pay for taxi home,
I have historically have got membership but I use it once in a blue moon, when I fancy something different and not away during the month.
I also find the club very clique, which it never used to be. Also I have been hearing stories of men turning up slipping 10 or 20 quid and being let in on a Friday, and not looking smart
Also I work till 5/5.30 on a friday, and it's a mad rush home get ready get changed to get to the club
london doesn't have a great deal of clubs so yes it is over subscribed, the cost does impact for me why I don't go more. |
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Does it really matter that single guys have to pay a bit more?
In the grand scheme of things, it's nothing, compared with other things in life where you have to subsidise others, who get more for less.
Council Tax for instance. If you live in a bigger house and have no kids, you are subsidising others.
It's just life. |
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"Many more men would go to a club, followed by couples and the least would be single females.
So it would stand to reason to make single females the cheapest to attract more, couples are middle ground and to keep the number of guys down, they would have to pay the most.
If you brought the cost down for guys, in the short term, clubs will fill up with guys eventually deterring couples and females, long term the guys number drop and with club will have poor customer flow/base and shut.
Clubs are a business and not a charity. The alternative is to set up your own club, put guys on low rates and see what happens. "
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"Does it really matter that single guys have to pay a bit more?
In the grand scheme of things, it's nothing, compared with other things in life where you have to subsidise others, who get more for less.
Council Tax for instance. If you live in a bigger house and have no kids, you are subsidising others.
It's just life."
If it was me (Mark) i'd be happy to pay a bit more to go to a better, classier club with more of a chance of being friendly, engaging and respectful paying dividends, so right there with you. |
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"Does it really matter that single guys have to pay a bit more?
In the grand scheme of things, it's nothing, compared with other things in life where you have to subsidise others, who get more for less.
Council Tax for instance. If you live in a bigger house and have no kids, you are subsidising others.
It's just life.
If it was me (Mark) i'd be happy to pay a bit more to go to a better, classier club with more of a chance of being friendly, engaging and respectful paying dividends, so right there with you."
Being friendly, engaging and respectful doesn't pay dividends anywhere, you'll always lose out to the guys who are pushy, cocky and arrogant. |
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"Does it really matter that single guys have to pay a bit more?
In the grand scheme of things, it's nothing, compared with other things in life where you have to subsidise others, who get more for less.
Council Tax for instance. If you live in a bigger house and have no kids, you are subsidising others.
It's just life.
If it was me (Mark) i'd be happy to pay a bit more to go to a better, classier club with more of a chance of being friendly, engaging and respectful paying dividends, so right there with you.
Being friendly, engaging and respectful doesn't pay dividends anywhere, you'll always lose out to the guys who are pushy, cocky and arrogant."
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"Does it really matter that single guys have to pay a bit more?
In the grand scheme of things, it's nothing, compared with other things in life where you have to subsidise others, who get more for less.
Council Tax for instance. If you live in a bigger house and have no kids, you are subsidising others.
It's just life.
If it was me (Mark) i'd be happy to pay a bit more to go to a better, classier club with more of a chance of being friendly, engaging and respectful paying dividends, so right there with you.
Being friendly, engaging and respectful doesn't pay dividends anywhere, you'll always lose out to the guys who are pushy, cocky and arrogant.no you wouldn't"
Past experience disagrees with you. |
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My experience, coming from a different country, caught me by surprise when I moved to the UK.
In Italy every person pays exactly the same amount in clubs but you need to book in advance for the organizers to maintain the ratio that they need for each party.
In addition to the booking systems they have a certain number of places available at the door for the same prices, released on a first come first served basis.
Doing so everybody is treated equally and there isn't an unfair balance on anybody.
Also, it's true that there are single men who unfortunately spoils it for others but I don't like the generalisations some believe that all of us are unable to behave in a civilised manner.
Likewise, we also need to admit that there's a clear difference between sexual preference and manners. I've been on couples-only events with a friend-with-benefit and heard some couples describing single men as brute troglodytes, enforcing the clique that some mentioned in previous messages here.
If we all behaved like the adults we are it would still be enjoyable for everybody, regardless 
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"Does it really matter that single guys have to pay a bit more?
In the grand scheme of things, it's nothing, compared with other things in life where you have to subsidise others, who get more for less.
Council Tax for instance. If you live in a bigger house and have no kids, you are subsidising others.
It's just life.
If it was me (Mark) i'd be happy to pay a bit more to go to a better, classier club with more of a chance of being friendly, engaging and respectful paying dividends, so right there with you.
Being friendly, engaging and respectful doesn't pay dividends anywhere, you'll always lose out to the guys who are pushy, cocky and arrogant."
Wrong in our experience - might be right in yours. The kind of guy you describe would be given short shrift by both of us - Ellen wouldn't put up with it at all! It's one of the ugliest traits possible. We had a guy in the hot tub at Liberty's a week ago who was exactly what is needed - friendly, easy, intelligent conversation, didn't try to help himself whatsover and got loads of respect for it. At least three or four others were politely (then not politely) told to go away who behaved the way you describe - and by other couples as well as us. Keep the faith (and go to the right places). All the best. |
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"Does it really matter that single guys have to pay a bit more?
In the grand scheme of things, it's nothing, compared with other things in life where you have to subsidise others, who get more for less.
Council Tax for instance. If you live in a bigger house and have no kids, you are subsidising others.
It's just life.
If it was me (Mark) i'd be happy to pay a bit more to go to a better, classier club with more of a chance of being friendly, engaging and respectful paying dividends, so right there with you.
Being friendly, engaging and respectful doesn't pay dividends anywhere, you'll always lose out to the guys who are pushy, cocky and arrogant.no you wouldn't"
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"Does it really matter that single guys have to pay a bit more?
In the grand scheme of things, it's nothing, compared with other things in life where you have to subsidise others, who get more for less.
Council Tax for instance. If you live in a bigger house and have no kids, you are subsidising others.
It's just life.
If it was me (Mark) i'd be happy to pay a bit more to go to a better, classier club with more of a chance of being friendly, engaging and respectful paying dividends, so right there with you.
Being friendly, engaging and respectful doesn't pay dividends anywhere, you'll always lose out to the guys who are pushy, cocky and arrogant.no you wouldn't
Past experience disagrees with you."
Welsh all I can suggest then (not knowing you) is go to the likes of Liberty's, or Jaydees. Saw single males doing rather well there both nights by just being genuine - and at Jaydees there were quite a few single ladies. Good luck! |
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"My experience, coming from a different country, caught me by surprise when I moved to the UK.
In Italy every person pays exactly the same amount in clubs but you need to book in advance for the organizers to maintain the ratio that they need for each party.
In addition to the booking systems they have a certain number of places available at the door for the same prices, released on a first come first served basis.
Doing so everybody is treated equally and there isn't an unfair balance on anybody.
Also, it's true that there are single men who unfortunately spoils it for others but I don't like the generalisations some believe that all of us are unable to behave in a civilised manner.
Likewise, we also need to admit that there's a clear difference between sexual preference and manners. I've been on couples-only events with a friend-with-benefit and heard some couples describing single men as brute troglodytes, enforcing the clique that some mentioned in previous messages here.
If we all behaved like the adults we are it would still be enjoyable for everybody, regardless
Have fun people!"
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"Does it really matter that single guys have to pay a bit more?
In the grand scheme of things, it's nothing, compared with other things in life where you have to subsidise others, who get more for less.
Council Tax for instance. If you live in a bigger house and have no kids, you are subsidising others.
It's just life.
If it was me (Mark) i'd be happy to pay a bit more to go to a better, classier club with more of a chance of being friendly, engaging and respectful paying dividends, so right there with you.
Being friendly, engaging and respectful doesn't pay dividends anywhere, you'll always lose out to the guys who are pushy, cocky and arrogant."
Pushy, cocky, arrogant or any other of the seven dwarves wouldn't get a look in. |
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"Does it really matter that single guys have to pay a bit more?
In the grand scheme of things, it's nothing, compared with other things in life where you have to subsidise others, who get more for less.
Council Tax for instance. If you live in a bigger house and have no kids, you are subsidising others.
It's just life.
If it was me (Mark) i'd be happy to pay a bit more to go to a better, classier club with more of a chance of being friendly, engaging and respectful paying dividends, so right there with you.
Being friendly, engaging and respectful doesn't pay dividends anywhere, you'll always lose out to the guys who are pushy, cocky and arrogant.no you wouldn't
Past experience disagrees with you.
Welsh all I can suggest then (not knowing you) is go to the likes of Liberty's, or Jaydees. Saw single males doing rather well there both nights by just being genuine - and at Jaydees there were quite a few single ladies. Good luck!"
I've been to Jaydees - not one single person that I said hello to (barring club employees) even had the grace to reply. |
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Went to abfabs last night, we don't normally go on Fridays, have nothing wrong with single men, most seem to hover round and go from one place to another,its like a merry go round watching them and just hopefully get in on some action. Must be daunting, not knowing, anyone all by themselves, seems to me they cant even strike conversation amongst themselves.
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Wow! That's surprised me! Admittedly we'recommend a couple, but felt it was the most friendly in terms of being made quickly welcome by staff and other guests - but by no means all. There are definitely unfriendly cliques everywhere. We'very always felt the best place to get friendly is in the hot tubs, no matter what club it is. |
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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago
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I think there is a fine line between assertiveness and cockyness
An example the springs to mind, I was speaking to this lass, going really well, other lad jumps a little bit cocky but ends up playing with her
Now for me she might see that as being assertive but I never do that as I like to wait till right moment
I have learn that in clubs just say hello to people at the bar. It helps. |
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"I think there is a fine line between assertiveness and cockyness
An example the springs to mind, I was speaking to this lass, going really well, other lad jumps a little bit cocky but ends up playing with her
Now for me she might see that as being assertive but I never do that as I like to wait till right moment
I have learn that in clubs just say hello to people at the bar. It helps. "
Definitely this! |
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"Does it really matter that single guys have to pay a bit more?
In the grand scheme of things, it's nothing, compared with other things in life where you have to subsidise others, who get more for less.
Council Tax for instance. If you live in a bigger house and have no kids, you are subsidising others.
It's just life.
If it was me (Mark) i'd be happy to pay a bit more to go to a better, classier club with more of a chance of being friendly, engaging and respectful paying dividends, so right there with you.
Being friendly, engaging and respectful doesn't pay dividends anywhere, you'll always lose out to the guys who are pushy, cocky and arrogant.no you wouldn't
Past experience disagrees with you.
Welsh all I can suggest then (not knowing you) is go to the likes of Liberty's, or Jaydees. Saw single males doing rather well there both nights by just being genuine - and at Jaydees there were quite a few single ladies. Good luck!
I've been to Jaydees - not one single person that I said hello to (barring club employees) even had the grace to reply."
Not been my experience at Jaydees, either as a couple or single guy. Always a very friendly club. |
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"I'm really sick of the argument that the single male prices are to keep numbers under control. AbFabs charges £60 on a Friday and is always oversubscribed. What keeps numbers under control is the club limiting how many single men they let through the door.
How does that work?..what would be the criteria for entry, first come first served?...what if people have arranged to meet there only for the guy to be refused entry?...what it be an arbritrary quality system?...I don't think there is actually an answer to this question judging by the number of posts on the subject and there never being a clear cut answer. I guess it's just go to the clubs that suit you and avoid the ones that don't.
It's very simple - require single men to pre-book. Don't let them just turn up.
Ok....so 5 men arrange to meet 5 couples....the list is full so 15 people don't go to the club....can't see how this would work.
It works. Plan ahead, get the guys to book early. Yes, I do understand that (horror of horrors) this does require the couple to make a bit of an effort."
You're assuming that if a single man books in advance, he'll definitely turn up, which I can assure you isn't always the case |
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"I'm really sick of the argument that the single male prices are to keep numbers under control. AbFabs charges £60 on a Friday and is always oversubscribed. What keeps numbers under control is the club limiting how many single men they let through the door.
How does that work?..what would be the criteria for entry, first come first served?...what if people have arranged to meet there only for the guy to be refused entry?...what it be an arbritrary quality system?...I don't think there is actually an answer to this question judging by the number of posts on the subject and there never being a clear cut answer. I guess it's just go to the clubs that suit you and avoid the ones that don't.
It's very simple - require single men to pre-book. Don't let them just turn up.
Ok....so 5 men arrange to meet 5 couples....the list is full so 15 people don't go to the club....can't see how this would work.
It works. Plan ahead, get the guys to book early. Yes, I do understand that (horror of horrors) this does require the couple to make a bit of an effort.
You're assuming that if a single man books in advance, he'll definitely turn up, which I can assure you isn't always the case"
The same can be said of couples. |
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"I'm really sick of the argument that the single male prices are to keep numbers under control. AbFabs charges £60 on a Friday and is always oversubscribed. What keeps numbers under control is the club limiting how many single men they let through the door.
How does that work?..what would be the criteria for entry, first come first served?...what if people have arranged to meet there only for the guy to be refused entry?...what it be an arbritrary quality system?...I don't think there is actually an answer to this question judging by the number of posts on the subject and there never being a clear cut answer. I guess it's just go to the clubs that suit you and avoid the ones that don't.
It's very simple - require single men to pre-book. Don't let them just turn up.
Ok....so 5 men arrange to meet 5 couples....the list is full so 15 people don't go to the club....can't see how this would work.
It works. Plan ahead, get the guys to book early. Yes, I do understand that (horror of horrors) this does require the couple to make a bit of an effort.
You're assuming that if a single man books in advance, he'll definitely turn up, which I can assure you isn't always the case
The same can be said of couples."
....or indeed anyone so the advance booking idea wouldn't work then. |
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"I'm really sick of the argument that the single male prices are to keep numbers under control. AbFabs charges £60 on a Friday and is always oversubscribed. What keeps numbers under control is the club limiting how many single men they let through the door.
How does that work?..what would be the criteria for entry, first come first served?...what if people have arranged to meet there only for the guy to be refused entry?...what it be an arbritrary quality system?...I don't think there is actually an answer to this question judging by the number of posts on the subject and there never being a clear cut answer. I guess it's just go to the clubs that suit you and avoid the ones that don't.
It's very simple - require single men to pre-book. Don't let them just turn up.
Ok....so 5 men arrange to meet 5 couples....the list is full so 15 people don't go to the club....can't see how this would work.
It works. Plan ahead, get the guys to book early. Yes, I do understand that (horror of horrors) this does require the couple to make a bit of an effort.
You're assuming that if a single man books in advance, he'll definitely turn up, which I can assure you isn't always the case
The same can be said of couples.
....or indeed anyone so the advance booking idea wouldn't work then."
It works at AbFabs. It's nit perfect and it can't cope with short-notice meets, but I can't see a better option for restricting numbers of single men. The idea that prices do it is a fantasy - to really restrict numbers they'd have to be far higher, and a lot of men (me included) couldn't justify the cost of going ever. |
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"I'm really sick of the argument that the single male prices are to keep numbers under control. AbFabs charges £60 on a Friday and is always oversubscribed. What keeps numbers under control is the club limiting how many single men they let through the door.
How does that work?..what would be the criteria for entry, first come first served?...what if people have arranged to meet there only for the guy to be refused entry?...what it be an arbritrary quality system?...I don't think there is actually an answer to this question judging by the number of posts on the subject and there never being a clear cut answer. I guess it's just go to the clubs that suit you and avoid the ones that don't.
It's very simple - require single men to pre-book. Don't let them just turn up.
Ok....so 5 men arrange to meet 5 couples....the list is full so 15 people don't go to the club....can't see how this would work.
It works. Plan ahead, get the guys to book early. Yes, I do understand that (horror of horrors) this does require the couple to make a bit of an effort.
You're assuming that if a single man books in advance, he'll definitely turn up, which I can assure you isn't always the case
The same can be said of couples.
....or indeed anyone so the advance booking idea wouldn't work then.
It works at AbFabs. It's nit perfect and it can't cope with short-notice meets, but I can't see a better option for restricting numbers of single men. The idea that prices do it is a fantasy - to really restrict numbers they'd have to be far higher, and a lot of men (me included) couldn't justify the cost of going ever. "
There are numerous threads on club pricing for single guys with regulars quotes from single guys saying they don't go the clubs due to the pricong so, certainly for some, higher pricing restricts the numbers so it isn't a fantasy. |
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"Are single men keeping clubs going because of the higher feesthey have to pay?
Yes"
Of course they do...they reduce the prices for single ladies so more will come, so in turn more single men will come, its also why some clubs hire escorts to boost the single fem numbers
If you look at an event and you see sf not from fab...odds are they are a paid escort
But now i have a serious question...what is the differamce between clubs touting for business on here and an escort doing the same?
I mean clubs openly make money off this site....but its against the site rules to make money off the site....so how are the owners of clubs and event organisers are allowed to make money but if your not asociated with a club thats not ok?
**DISCLAIMER**
IM NOT TRYING ASKING THIS TO TALK SHIT ABOUT ANY PROFILES ON THIS SITE ITS A GENUINE AND LEGIT QUESTION |
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"I'm really sick of the argument that the single male prices are to keep numbers under control. AbFabs charges £60 on a Friday and is always oversubscribed. What keeps numbers under control is the club limiting how many single men they let through the door.
How does that work?..what would be the criteria for entry, first come first served?...what if people have arranged to meet there only for the guy to be refused entry?...what it be an arbritrary quality system?...I don't think there is actually an answer to this question judging by the number of posts on the subject and there never being a clear cut answer. I guess it's just go to the clubs that suit you and avoid the ones that don't.
It's very simple - require single men to pre-book. Don't let them just turn up.
Ok....so 5 men arrange to meet 5 couples....the list is full so 15 people don't go to the club....can't see how this would work.
It works. Plan ahead, get the guys to book early. Yes, I do understand that (horror of horrors) this does require the couple to make a bit of an effort.
You're assuming that if a single man books in advance, he'll definitely turn up, which I can assure you isn't always the case
The same can be said of couples.
....or indeed anyone so the advance booking idea wouldn't work then.
It works at AbFabs. It's nit perfect and it can't cope with short-notice meets, but I can't see a better option for restricting numbers of single men. The idea that prices do it is a fantasy - to really restrict numbers they'd have to be far higher, and a lot of men (me included) couldn't justify the cost of going ever.
There are numerous threads on club pricing for single guys with regulars quotes from single guys saying they don't go the clubs due to the pricong so, certainly for some, higher pricing restricts the numbers so it isn't a fantasy."
Of course it'll stop some people going, but it isn't enough to stop clubs being overrun given the gender disparity at work. You only need to look ay how quickly pre-booking slots fill up to see that. The only effective method of stopping that is limiting the number allowed through the door. |
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"I'm really sick of the argument that the single male prices are to keep numbers under control. AbFabs charges £60 on a Friday and is always oversubscribed. What keeps numbers under control is the club limiting how many single men they let through the door.
How does that work?..what would be the criteria for entry, first come first served?...what if people have arranged to meet there only for the guy to be refused entry?...what it be an arbritrary quality system?...I don't think there is actually an answer to this question judging by the number of posts on the subject and there never being a clear cut answer. I guess it's just go to the clubs that suit you and avoid the ones that don't.
It's very simple - require single men to pre-book. Don't let them just turn up.
Ok....so 5 men arrange to meet 5 couples....the list is full so 15 people don't go to the club....can't see how this would work.
It works. Plan ahead, get the guys to book early. Yes, I do understand that (horror of horrors) this does require the couple to make a bit of an effort.
You're assuming that if a single man books in advance, he'll definitely turn up, which I can assure you isn't always the case
The same can be said of couples.
....or indeed anyone so the advance booking idea wouldn't work then.
It works at AbFabs. It's nit perfect and it can't cope with short-notice meets, but I can't see a better option for restricting numbers of single men. The idea that prices do it is a fantasy - to really restrict numbers they'd have to be far higher, and a lot of men (me included) couldn't justify the cost of going ever.
There are numerous threads on club pricing for single guys with regulars quotes from single guys saying they don't go the clubs due to the pricong so, certainly for some, higher pricing restricts the numbers so it isn't a fantasy.
Of course it'll stop some people going, but it isn't enough to stop clubs being overrun given the gender disparity at work. You only need to look ay how quickly pre-booking slots fill up to see that. The only effective method of stopping that is limiting the number allowed through the door."
Well I'm not aware that Chameleons uses this method and pretty sure it doesn't and there's always a good mix there...certainly never"overrun" with any particular gender. |
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"Well I'm on route to Eureka and I hope to god there are a few hotties there and if you aren't why the hell not Haha
Because we're not all tall, tattooed, muscly, and under the age of 45 "
No we're not, but fortunately Eureka isn't a club where that is an issue... |
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"Well I'm on route to Eureka and I hope to god there are a few hotties there and if you aren't why the hell not Haha
Because we're not all tall, tattooed, muscly, and under the age of 45
No we're not, but fortunately Eureka isn't a club where that is an issue... "
No it most definately isn't and yet I still go there every Saturday like the last four years ... I can have wishes tho lol |
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"I'm really sick of the argument that the single male prices are to keep numbers under control. AbFabs charges £60 on a Friday and is always oversubscribed. What keeps numbers under control is the club limiting how many single men they let through the door.
How does that work?..what would be the criteria for entry, first come first served?...what if people have arranged to meet there only for the guy to be refused entry?...what it be an arbritrary quality system?...I don't think there is actually an answer to this question judging by the number of posts on the subject and there never being a clear cut answer. I guess it's just go to the clubs that suit you and avoid the ones that don't.
It's very simple - require single men to pre-book. Don't let them just turn up.
Ok....so 5 men arrange to meet 5 couples....the list is full so 15 people don't go to the club....can't see how this would work.
It works. Plan ahead, get the guys to book early. Yes, I do understand that (horror of horrors) this does require the couple to make a bit of an effort.
You're assuming that if a single man books in advance, he'll definitely turn up, which I can assure you isn't always the case
The same can be said of couples.
....or indeed anyone so the advance booking idea wouldn't work then.
It works at AbFabs. It's nit perfect and it can't cope with short-notice meets, but I can't see a better option for restricting numbers of single men. The idea that prices do it is a fantasy - to really restrict numbers they'd have to be far higher, and a lot of men (me included) couldn't justify the cost of going ever.
There are numerous threads on club pricing for single guys with regulars quotes from single guys saying they don't go the clubs due to the pricong so, certainly for some, higher pricing restricts the numbers so it isn't a fantasy.
Of course it'll stop some people going, but it isn't enough to stop clubs being overrun given the gender disparity at work. You only need to look ay how quickly pre-booking slots fill up to see that. The only effective method of stopping that is limiting the number allowed through the door.
Well I'm not aware that Chameleons uses this method and pretty sure it doesn't and there's always a good mix there...certainly never"overrun" with any particular gender."
To be fair; I did try to get in Chams on a Friday night as a single guy last year, and was told there was a waiting list as they limited numbers going in, but possibly they could email me on the night, if there was space.....? So the demand there obviously outstrips supply. |
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"Well I'm on route to Eureka and I hope to god there are a few hotties there and if you aren't why the hell not Haha
Because we're not all tall, tattooed, muscly, and under the age of 45
No we're not, but fortunately Eureka isn't a club where that is an issue... "
I was referring to Ms Scarlett's profile |
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over a year ago
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"...they reduce the prices for single ladies so more will come, so in turn more single men will come, its also why some clubs hire escorts to boost the single fem numbers
If you look at an event and you see sf not from fab...odds are they are a paid escort "
Not true!!! The whole of the female swinging population are not all on fab 
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"...they reduce the prices for single ladies so more will come, so in turn more single men will come, its also why some clubs hire escorts to boost the single fem numbers
If you look at an event and you see sf not from fab...odds are they are a paid escort
Not true!!! The whole of the female swinging population are not all on fab
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"...they reduce the prices for single ladies so more will come, so in turn more single men will come, its also why some clubs hire escorts to boost the single fem numbers
If you look at an event and you see sf not from fab...odds are they are a paid escort
Not true!!! The whole of the female swinging population are not all on fab
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. Sorry Hank's can't find the original quote so I'm jumping on yours 
All I can say is what Hank's has said and also, what the actual fuck, all of our single female friends that we attend clubs with are not on fab and are certainly not escorts, whoever made the statement in the first place, have you actually ever been to a club Mrs blue eyes |
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"...they reduce the prices for single ladies so more will come, so in turn more single men will come, its also why some clubs hire escorts to boost the single fem numbers
If you look at an event and you see sf not from fab...odds are they are a paid escort
Not true!!! The whole of the female swinging population are not all on fab
. Sorry Hank's can't find the original quote so I'm jumping on yours
All I can say is what Hank's has said and also, what the actual fuck, all of our single female friends that we attend clubs with are not on fab and are certainly not escorts, whoever made the statement in the first place, have you actually ever been to a club Mrs blue eyes "
Not a problem lovely, it's part of a much longer quote above.....
I host events and have both ladies and gents on my guestlists who are not on fab. As much as I love this site the swinging world does not revolve around it. How do you think swingers managed before the internet too!? |
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God u read some crap on here spread by other clubs .... it's irrelevant what people do in there day job. I do porn doesn't mean I charge when I'm in a club. On the basis of that is Gerald the " health a safety consultant " going to make sure you wear glases for the bukake in case you get an eye injury ? Or Rita from trading standard going to issue a fine for claiming your bbc when in fact it's a tiddler ? Some people need to stick to drinking gin and get on with there own lives. Makes me laugh |
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By *abioMan
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"God u read some crap on here spread by other clubs .... it's irrelevant what people do in there day job. I do porn doesn't mean I charge when I'm in a club. On the basis of that is Gerald the " health a safety consultant " going to make sure you wear glases for the bukake in case you get an eye injury ? Or Rita from trading standard going to issue a fine for claiming your bbc when in fact it's a tiddler ? Some people need to stick to drinking gin and get on with there own lives. Makes me laugh "
let me the first of what i think may be a few comments....
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"Discrimination against men, seriously.. 50-60 £ and you can't enter certain room either. "
Couples and single women who don't like single guys go on their night and are happy to do so. Single guys are welcome at most clubs and some keep their fees very reasonable. If single guys got the same deal as single women i.e. free or nominal fee, then the ratios would be unviable. If paying more means keeping clubs open then I'm all for that. I accept how things are concerning fees and not allowed in some rooms. If I didn't, I'd stay at home. |
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