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 You can attend loads of other events at Townhouse without breaking the bank. Some of our night time events are £10-£20, even for some Fridays!
PM me if you would like more info and the MILF Monday thread is here https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/events/624073 - I'm estimating around 80 people at this event xxx | |||
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Sorry for the rant, moany single guys are so fucking irritating - this is not about you getting fucked, it is about us all having a good time. Clubs need to make money to run & clearly more single guys want to go than single ladies, so you limit demand by charging more! & no it is not discrimination, it is a private club and those are the rules....
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"Where or which clubs have the best prices? The price it has cost me in the past is £50. Unfortunately I can only afford this every so often. The price single men get charged is wrong surely there should be a cap on these prices. I understand why they are high to try and keep rift raft out but surely a couple pays half the price and single female is maybe a £10. It's not fair. on the single male. " You need the honey for the bees..Lol..that's why ladies are in for free. Even regular clubs let ladies in for free. Hotties don't even queue..security invite them in.. | |||
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"Where or which clubs have the best prices? The price it has cost me in the past is £50. Unfortunately I can only afford this every so often. The price single men get charged is wrong surely there should be a cap on these prices. I understand why they are high to try and keep rift raft out but surely a couple pays half the price and single female is maybe a £10. It's not fair. on the single male. " Cupids prices for single male non members are amongst the lowest in the northwest / U.K. In addition we remain a BYO club - other than for soft drinks. we DO NOT make money from charging for alcohol. A great night out therefore costs approx £40-£45 & even less if you don't drink. Cupids | |||
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"Get over the price to get in, it is a nice night out. If you can't afford to go too often don't go! Nobody forces you to go & if you find it too pricey then get to know people who go & arrange to meet elsewhere. We travel a long way to go to clubs, but do we whinge that they should be closer, no! We've never asked for a subsidy from single guys who live closer, or those that have more economical cars than us, or those that buy cheaper wine than we do - jeez
Sorry for the rant, moany single guys are so fucking irritating - this is not about you getting fucked, it is about us all having a good time. Clubs need to make money to run & clearly more single guys want to go than single ladies, so you limit demand by charging more! & no it is not discrimination, it is a private club and those are the rules....
Rant over "Excuse me I quoted the price I was charged. It would be nice if the pricing was a bit fairer. You have just whinged, if you chose to travel a long way to clubs that's your perogative or drive a car that isn't as Eco friendly. I accept that the price should be slightly higher but to be over he double sometimes Treble the price of a couple is wrong. A lot of clubs limit single males. But they should be a bit fairer. So if you go to the shop and the coouple in front gets charged £10 for a tin of paint. I walk up and get charged £50 for the same tin. | |||
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" The price single men get charged is wrong surely there should be a cap on these prices. It's not fair. on the single male. " Lobby your MP. | |||
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"Simple solution...I wouldn't encourage such rip off pricing.. Don't go or do what I did ..hook up with a single female and go as a couple..Once in you can go your own way...Have fun.." I do that ..it's my only way through in to the the desirable club life it's part of the cause!!so happy days.... I even got a membership too out of it lol | |||
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"Our club is £20 a couple and £30 for single guys on a Saturday. On Friday it is £20 a couple and £25 for single guys. Ladies are free. X at Jaydees " That's a good pricing structure and what I think most should adopt. | |||
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"Where or which clubs have the best prices? The price it has cost me in the past is £50. Unfortunately I can only afford this every so often. The price single men get charged is wrong surely there should be a cap on these prices. I understand why they are high to try and keep rift raft out but surely a couple pays half the price and single female is maybe a £10. It's not fair. on the single male. You need the honey for the bees..Lol..that's why ladies are in for free. Even regular clubs let ladies in for free. Hotties don't even queue..security invite them in.. "yep thats why i never queue ! | |||
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"If high prices keeps whinging fellas away I'm all for it. Christ ! No one is forcing you to go." Amusing. Not long ago I was listening to two ladies in Chameleons debating on whether they would ever come again when their free admission was going to be replaced by a £5 admission charge. | |||
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"Get over the price to get in, it is a nice night out. If you can't afford to go too often don't go! Nobody forces you to go & if you find it too pricey then get to know people who go & arrange to meet elsewhere. We travel a long way to go to clubs, but do we whinge that they should be closer, no! We've never asked for a subsidy from single guys who live closer, or those that have more economical cars than us, or those that buy cheaper wine than we do - jeez
Sorry for the rant, moany single guys are so fucking irritating - this is not about you getting fucked, it is about us all having a good time. Clubs need to make money to run & clearly more single guys want to go than single ladies, so you limit demand by charging more! & no it is not discrimination, it is a private club and those are the rules....
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"On the Continent prices are much higher - but with good reason. The clubs are very well furnished, with heaps of playful people and a great atmosphere. Moreover the 'Single man stalker' syndrome we're all so familiar with here is absent. Hence the happier, more playful, and generally much more respectful atmosphere. Why? Well, the price is generally set higher than it would cost for a single man who just wants 'sex' to hire a prostitute. Hence the stalky types go elsewhere, and the guys that attend tend to be more interested in atmosphere and sensuality. This tends to mostly result in a MUCH nicer atmosphere. Personally I'd MUCH rather have a pay a higher price, even if it meant that I could attend less often, for a much better atmosphere. "November 1918: the Parliament (Qualification of Women) Act 1918 was passed, allowing women to be elected into Parliament.[17] 1928: Women received the vote on the same terms as men (over the age of 21) as a result of the Representation of the People Act 1928.[44] | |||
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"Get over the price to get in, it is a nice night out. If you can't afford to go too often don't go! Nobody forces you to go & if you find it too pricey then get to know people who go & arrange to meet elsewhere. We travel a long way to go to clubs, but do we whinge that they should be closer, no! We've never asked for a subsidy from single guys who live closer, or those that have more economical cars than us, or those that buy cheaper wine than we do - jeez
Sorry for the rant, moany single guys are so fucking irritating - this is not about you getting fucked, it is about us all having a good time. Clubs need to make money to run & clearly more single guys want to go than single ladies, so you limit demand by charging more! & no it is not discrimination, it is a private club and those are the rules....
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"Where or which clubs have the best prices? The price it has cost me in the past is £50. Unfortunately I can only afford this every so often. The price single men get charged is wrong surely there should be a cap on these prices. I understand why they are high to try and keep rift raft out but surely a couple pays half the price and single female is maybe a £10. It's not fair. on the single male. " The Attic in Derby, Quest in Leeds, and La Chambre in Sheffield are all much cheaper than £50... all £20 or £25 | |||
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"Get over the price to get in, it is a nice night out. If you can't afford to go too often don't go! Nobody forces you to go & if you find it too pricey then get to know people who go & arrange to meet elsewhere. We travel a long way to go to clubs, but do we whinge that they should be closer, no! We've never asked for a subsidy from single guys who live closer, or those that have more economical cars than us, or those that buy cheaper wine than we do - jeez
Sorry for the rant, moany single guys are so fucking irritating - this is not about you getting fucked, it is about us all having a good time. Clubs need to make money to run & clearly more single guys want to go than single ladies, so you limit demand by charging more! & no it is not discrimination, it is a private club and those are the rules....
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"Its not that men are expensive, its because ladies are much cheaper or free so men feel disgruntled .....but even at £50 and take your own drinks ( supermarket cheap ) - how much would you spend on a normal nightclub ( buying own expensive drinks,buying girls drinks, entry fee etc ). I most certainly would not go to a club if as a single lady I had to pay out £50 to enter. No ladies/ couples - no fun for single men - its nectar for the bees. " There's plenty of nectar without paying for it....I paid twice and the nectar wasn't value so have found the nectar elsewhere.... more self respect as I don't feel I'm paying to have it. | |||
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"Where or which clubs have the best prices? The price it has cost me in the past is £50. Unfortunately I can only afford this every so often. The price single men get charged is wrong surely there should be a cap on these prices. I understand why they are high to try and keep rift raft out but surely a couple pays half the price and single female is maybe a £10. It's not fair. on the single male. The Attic in Derby, Quest in Leeds, and La Chambre in Sheffield are all much cheaper than £50... all £20 or £25" That's not bad pricing and fair pricing. I am not saying men should not be charged more. I am saying maybe ladies £10, couples £15 and gents £20 or £25. That's still 100 per cent more but not 500 per cent more. | |||
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"Its not that men are expensive, its because ladies are much cheaper or free so men feel disgruntled .....but even at £50 and take your own drinks ( supermarket cheap ) - how much would you spend on a normal nightclub ( buying own expensive drinks,buying girls drinks, entry fee etc ). I most certainly would not go to a club if as a single lady I had to pay out £50 to enter. No ladies/ couples - no fun for single men - its nectar for the bees. There's plenty of nectar without paying for it....I paid twice and the nectar wasn't value so have found the nectar elsewhere.... more self respect as I don't feel I'm paying to have it." Good for you Ps - why are you wingeing then ? | |||
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"Its not that men are expensive, its because ladies are much cheaper or free so men feel disgruntled .....but even at £50 and take your own drinks ( supermarket cheap ) - how much would you spend on a normal nightclub ( buying own expensive drinks,buying girls drinks, entry fee etc ). I most certainly would not go to a club if as a single lady I had to pay out £50 to enter. No ladies/ couples - no fun for single men - its nectar for the bees. There's plenty of nectar without paying for it....I paid twice and the nectar wasn't value so have found the nectar elsewhere.... more self respect as I don't feel I'm paying to have it. Good for you Ps - why are you wingeing then ? " It's one thing that put me off before even plucking up the courage to go to one. Will be one if the main reasons too, and for many other genuine single guys. As long as organisers see it as screw as much out as we can from single guys they will always have that comment levelled at them...justifiably. I'd like to go again and will do, but not if men are screwed 200 to 500% for the privalege.Theres one locally that had a fixed price each person £15...some couples complained because they were paying double...but all places were filled quickly. | |||
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"EURPE CLUBS ..LOL FORGET BREXIT.... 100 QUID (SINGLE M) FOR A SATURDAY NIGHT SO BEST COUNT YOUR CHICKENS.....AND STOP COMPLAINING!! Haha " Yes but they usually include a buffet and all inclusive drinks. We have just been to Belgium and the clubs were super high quality with amazing food included. | |||
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"EURPE CLUBS ..LOL FORGET BREXIT.... 100 QUID (SINGLE M) FOR A SATURDAY NIGHT SO BEST COUNT YOUR CHICKENS.....AND STOP COMPLAINING!! Haha Yes but they usually include a buffet and all inclusive drinks. We have just been to Belgium and the clubs were super high quality with amazing food included. " Almost everything in Europe is better than what we have or do here. Why this Brexshit? | |||
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"I am a State Pensioner. Was a couple but as a widow now classed as single. These prices have virtually banned me from Club Life " lt's a misandrist society. Just the way it is. lt's the main reason l refuse to give clubs my money. ln some countries it is in legislation to ban discrimination regarding prices on a basis of gender or race. Wish this country was. | |||
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"Where or which clubs have the best prices? The price it has cost me in the past is £50. Unfortunately I can only afford this every so often. The price single men get charged is wrong surely there should be a cap on these prices. I understand why they are high to try and keep rift raft out but surely a couple pays half the price and single female is maybe a £10. It's not fair. on the single male. " I don't think rift raft has anything to do with it, some real nice folk don't go because they "can't" afford it just the same as some horrible people d go as they "can" afford it. I do agree though that sometimes the difference between what single men, single women and couples pay is a bit extreme. | |||
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"Where or which clubs have the best prices? The price it has cost me in the past is £50. Unfortunately I can only afford this every so often. The price single men get charged is wrong surely there should be a cap on these prices. I understand why they are high to try and keep rift raft out but surely a couple pays half the price and single female is maybe a £10. It's not fair. on the single male. I don't think rift raft has anything to do with it, some real nice folk don't go because they "can't" afford it just the same as some horrible people d go as they "can" afford it. I do agree though that sometimes the difference between what single men, single women and couples pay is a bit extreme." The older fella above has stated that it's caused him to be priced out of due to only getting a state pension. Wonder how many older single guys/guys who can't work due to disability it prices out of getting out the house, meeting people and having a better sex life? Makes me glad that women pay so much more for some things. Equality after all. | |||
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"Where or which clubs have the best prices? The price it has cost me in the past is £50. Unfortunately I can only afford this every so often. The price single men get charged is wrong surely there should be a cap on these prices. I understand why they are high to try and keep rift raft out but surely a couple pays half the price and single female is maybe a £10. It's not fair. on the single male. I don't think rift raft has anything to do with it, some real nice folk don't go because they "can't" afford it just the same as some horrible people d go as they "can" afford it. I do agree though that sometimes the difference between what single men, single women and couples pay is a bit extreme. The older fella above has stated that it's caused him to be priced out of due to only getting a state pension. Wonder how many older single guys/guys who can't work due to disability it prices out of getting out the house, meeting people and having a better sex life? Makes me glad that women pay so much more for some things. Equality after all." Because a swingers club is the only reason they'd want to get out of the house for isn't it? And you make it sound like theyd go to a club just to pay for sex, so you're confusing Swingers clubs with brothels, not surprising though because you've said before you don't go to clubs and have no interest to Swingers clubs are Private members clubs so they can fit a price structure however they like to suit the clientele they want to attract, they're are still some working men's clubs in this country, that under the same private members club legalities refuse membership to women, surprised you don't know that considering how you like men to have the upper hand so much | |||
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"Where or which clubs have the best prices? The price it has cost me in the past is £50. Unfortunately I can only afford this every so often. The price single men get charged is wrong surely there should be a cap on these prices. I understand why they are high to try and keep rift raft out but surely a couple pays half the price and single female is maybe a £10. It's not fair. on the single male. I don't think rift raft has anything to do with it, some real nice folk don't go because they "can't" afford it just the same as some horrible people d go as they "can" afford it. I do agree though that sometimes the difference between what single men, single women and couples pay is a bit extreme. The older fella above has stated that it's caused him to be priced out of due to only getting a state pension. Wonder how many older single guys/guys who can't work due to disability it prices out of getting out the house, meeting people and having a better sex life? Makes me glad that women pay so much more for some things. Equality after all. Because a swingers club is the only reason they'd want to get out of the house for isn't it? And you make it sound like theyd go to a club just to pay for sex, so you're confusing Swingers clubs with brothels, not surprising though because you've said before you don't go to clubs and have no interest to Swingers clubs are Private members clubs so they can fit a price structure however they like to suit the clientele they want to attract, they're are still some working men's clubs in this country, that under the same private members club legalities refuse membership to women, surprised you don't know that considering how you like men to have the upper hand so much" You said "And you make it sound like theyd go to a club just to pay for sex" Yet I said in the previous post. "it prices out of getting out the house, meeting people and having a better sex life" ... And comparing exclusive and immensely expensive golf courses (that are HOUNDED for their male only policy, even making national news) to swinger clubs that are supposed to cater to all, and process to, is silly isn't it? And the legal line is blurry. There was a guy who sure a gym for its female only hours and I'm certain they settled with him to save the publicity and hassle. Maybe that should happen to swing clubs? | |||
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"Where or which clubs have the best prices? The price it has cost me in the past is £50. Unfortunately I can only afford this every so often. The price single men get charged is wrong surely there should be a cap on these prices. I understand why they are high to try and keep rift raft out but surely a couple pays half the price and single female is maybe a £10. It's not fair. on the single male. I don't think rift raft has anything to do with it, some real nice folk don't go because they "can't" afford it just the same as some horrible people d go as they "can" afford it. I do agree though that sometimes the difference between what single men, single women and couples pay is a bit extreme. The older fella above has stated that it's caused him to be priced out of due to only getting a state pension. Wonder how many older single guys/guys who can't work due to disability it prices out of getting out the house, meeting people and having a better sex life? Makes me glad that women pay so much more for some things. Equality after all. Because a swingers club is the only reason they'd want to get out of the house for isn't it? And you make it sound like theyd go to a club just to pay for sex, so you're confusing Swingers clubs with brothels, not surprising though because you've said before you don't go to clubs and have no interest to Swingers clubs are Private members clubs so they can fit a price structure however they like to suit the clientele they want to attract, they're are still some working men's clubs in this country, that under the same private members club legalities refuse membership to women, surprised you don't know that considering how you like men to have the upper hand so much You said "And you make it sound like theyd go to a club just to pay for sex" Yet I said in the previous post. "it prices out of getting out the house, meeting people and having a better sex life" ... And comparing exclusive and immensely expensive golf courses (that are HOUNDED for their male only policy, even making national news) to swinger clubs that are supposed to cater to all, and process to, is silly isn't it? And the legal line is blurry. There was a guy who sure a gym for its female only hours and I'm certain they settled with him to save the publicity and hassle. Maybe that should happen to swing clubs? " Wasn't talking about golf clubs never heard of that being an issue I was talking about working men's clubs that are as low key as swingers clubs Go to war with them as well as swingers club if your arguments is for equality for all | |||
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"Where or which clubs have the best prices? The price it has cost me in the past is £50. Unfortunately I can only afford this every so often. The price single men get charged is wrong surely there should be a cap on these prices. I understand why they are high to try and keep rift raft out but surely a couple pays half the price and single female is maybe a £10. It's not fair. on the single male. I don't think rift raft has anything to do with it, some real nice folk don't go because they "can't" afford it just the same as some horrible people d go as they "can" afford it. I do agree though that sometimes the difference between what single men, single women and couples pay is a bit extreme. The older fella above has stated that it's caused him to be priced out of due to only getting a state pension. Wonder how many older single guys/guys who can't work due to disability it prices out of getting out the house, meeting people and having a better sex life? Makes me glad that women pay so much more for some things. Equality after all." Can you please tell me what these things are? | |||
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"It is law that these working men's club cannot discriminate against woman ERICCA – Equal Rights in Clubs. Look it up. " Take them to court then!! No I didn't think so  | |||
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"Where or which clubs have the best prices? The price it has cost me in the past is £50. Unfortunately I can only afford this every so often. The price single men get charged is wrong surely there should be a cap on these prices. I understand why they are high to try and keep rift raft out but surely a couple pays half the price and single female is maybe a £10. It's not fair. on the single male. I don't think rift raft has anything to do with it, some real nice folk don't go because they "can't" afford it just the same as some horrible people d go as they "can" afford it. I do agree though that sometimes the difference between what single men, single women and couples pay is a bit extreme. The older fella above has stated that it's caused him to be priced out of due to only getting a state pension. Wonder how many older single guys/guys who can't work due to disability it prices out of getting out the house, meeting people and having a better sex life? Makes me glad that women pay so much more for some things. Equality after all. Because a swingers club is the only reason they'd want to get out of the house for isn't it? And you make it sound like theyd go to a club just to pay for sex, so you're confusing Swingers clubs with brothels, not surprising though because you've said before you don't go to clubs and have no interest to Swingers clubs are Private members clubs so they can fit a price structure however they like to suit the clientele they want to attract, they're are still some working men's clubs in this country, that under the same private members club legalities refuse membership to women, surprised you don't know that considering how you like men to have the upper hand so much You said "And you make it sound like theyd go to a club just to pay for sex" Yet I said in the previous post. "it prices out of getting out the house, meeting people and having a better sex life" ... And comparing exclusive and immensely expensive golf courses (that are HOUNDED for their male only policy, even making national news) to swinger clubs that are supposed to cater to all, and process to, is silly isn't it? And the legal line is blurry. There was a guy who sure a gym for its female only hours and I'm certain they settled with him to save the publicity and hassle. Maybe that should happen to swing clubs? " Again another one! Take them yo court. The truth is no one will. | |||
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"It is law that these working men's club cannot discriminate against woman ERICCA – Equal Rights in Clubs. Look it up. " Private members clubs are the exception | |||
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""Vote with your head" It would make more sense to "Think with your head and vote with your feet" That is what we do and go to Chams,Cupids or Quest. All 3 clubs are Quality clubs at a reasonable price. The above clubs appear to reinvest wisely, and keep ahead of the field. "jees.. I must have said this 100 times now" in my opinion does read a we bit pig headed." Seriously?? The Townhouse are champions of striving to keep standards high in the North West. I think you will find that other clubs have learnt alot from their approach. TH actually direct people to other clubs if they feel they meet customers needs more. By all means vote with your feet. It's what keeps standards high. Your 'pig headed' comment is unwarranted, unjustified and uncalled for. It has been said 100 times. It's called experience and giving relevant advice. To slag a club off that actually has a very fair pricing system highlights the gaps in your knowledge about the scene. | |||
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"I haven't slagged off any club, but simply named the one's we prefer. i.e Chams,Cupids and Quest are our prefered choice." So saying they are pigheaded is not slagging off? Good for you if you prefer chams, cupids and Quest. Direct your business their way. However calling a club profiles response pig headed is rude when they have offered good advice. | |||
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"I am a State Pensioner. Was a couple but as a widow now classed as single. These prices have virtually banned me from Club Life lt's a misandrist society. Just the way it is. lt's the main reason l refuse to give clubs my money. ln some countries it is in legislation to ban discrimination regarding prices on a basis of gender or race. Wish this country was." It's not done on discrimination years ago you never really found single women in clubs. Men and couples moaned at club owners to try and encourage more females in so they offer free membership and entry. One club we used now shut charged £100 membership a year and £45 entry to guys £50 membership and £25 or £35 on weekends to couples there was always a good mix in even with high prices for guys they scrapped membership charges and made it cheaper for guys each week the number of couples went down and the number of guys went up just before it closed down most nights had 2 or 3 couples and about 30 guys. The guys moaned that there wasn't enough couples/ females in. So you pay slightly more to enter a club but have a good mix of people and have a really good night or they charge everyone the same no females come along the amount of couples drops and you end up in a club with loads of single guys and the odd couple in there feel intimidated and don't play. All the guys that attend the clubs we visit are happy and have a good time unfortunately there is really no other way to police the number of guys in a club unless they say first 20 get in then don't allow anymore in, witch would cause major problems on the door. | |||
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""Vote with your head" It would make more sense to "Think with your head and vote with your feet" That is what we do and go to Chams,Cupids or Quest. All 3 clubs are Quality clubs at a reasonable price. The above clubs appear to reinvest wisely, and keep ahead of the field. "jees.. I must have said this 100 times now" in my opinion does read a we bit pig headed. Seriously?? The Townhouse are champions of striving to keep standards high in the North West. I think you will find that other clubs have learnt alot from their approach. TH actually direct people to other clubs if they feel they meet customers needs more. By all means vote with your feet. It's what keeps standards high. Your 'pig headed' comment is unwarranted, unjustified and uncalled for. It has been said 100 times. It's called experience and giving relevant advice. To slag a club off that actually has a very fair pricing system highlights the gaps in your knowledge about the scene." I actually laughed out loud at their digs directed towards us. I couldn't even tell you if they have been to our club as they are faceless and no verifications, so for all I know, they could be sock puppets looking to stir some shit, well bring it on, because we, as most clubs experience, are well used to it! I know the sort of club we are and I know we are one of the best, so the odd 'Has been' comment isn't going to rattle my cage. The fact that they have only commented after me and directed their negativity towards me stinks of bitterness. Hey ho...I have to go now...club full of people await!!! pahahahaha
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""Vote with your head" It would make more sense to "Think with your head and vote with your feet" That is what we do and go to Chams,Cupids or Quest. All 3 clubs are Quality clubs at a reasonable price. The above clubs appear to reinvest wisely, and keep ahead of the field. "jees.. I must have said this 100 times now" in my opinion does read a we bit pig headed. Seriously?? The Townhouse are champions of striving to keep standards high in the North West. I think you will find that other clubs have learnt alot from their approach. TH actually direct people to other clubs if they feel they meet customers needs more. By all means vote with your feet. It's what keeps standards high. Your 'pig headed' comment is unwarranted, unjustified and uncalled for. It has been said 100 times. It's called experience and giving relevant advice. To slag a club off that actually has a very fair pricing system highlights the gaps in your knowledge about the scene. I actually laughed out loud at their digs directed towards us. I couldn't even tell you if they have been to our club as they are faceless and no verifications, so for all I know, they could be sock puppets looking to stir some shit, well bring it on, because we, as most clubs experience, are well used to it! I know the sort of club we are and I know we are one of the best, so the odd 'Has been' comment isn't going to rattle my cage. The fact that they have only commented after me and directed their negativity towards me stinks of bitterness. Hey ho...I have to go now...club full of people await!!! pahahahaha
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"Jeez..I must have said this 100 times now. Swingers clubs, as private members clubs are exempt from discrimination laws and can charge people different rates to encourage people from specific groups that are under represented.It is clear, even on Fab, that single females are outnumbered by guys hugely and the same is seen in clubs, therefore they are seen as an under represented group. Private members clubs can charge females less legally to encourage them into the club as they are under represented. Nobody has taken a swingers club to court on discrimination grounds as what we do is legal. I agree that some clubs completely rip guys off. Just don't go then. Go to other clubs that have fairer pricing. Or think with your feet and don't go at all. At the end of the day, we restrict males and we are a very successful venue. We don't rip guys off, we just monitor numbers. Other clubs use pricing to curb the number of guys. You have a choice..go or don't. Nobody is forcing you. It's not like you don't have a choice of clubs to go to that don't rip you off. " People think the Law is stalwart but it's completely not. Opportunistic solicitors will take on any case. The reason no one has yet is due to the embarrassment of it. Someone will eventually. At least you admit your sexism. l applaud that. lt's sad for certain demographics of men though. Unless an old boy has a great pension, he just cannot go. lt's essentially proto-ageism against older men as well. State pensions can't really cover the exploitative prices can they? The hilarious thing about all of this is when it happens to women to never stop whinging about it. The ''gender pay gap'' for instance. Men work longer hour, can work physical job and can take on mor dangerous unsanitary jobs. As a result, men earn more in general....Yet when you use the ole' supply and demand of workers explanation it's shot to bits. Typical double standards. | |||
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"I am a State Pensioner. Was a couple but as a widow now classed as single. These prices have virtually banned me from Club Life lt's a misandrist society. Just the way it is. lt's the main reason l refuse to give clubs my money. ln some countries it is in legislation to ban discrimination regarding prices on a basis of gender or race. Wish this country was. It's not done on discrimination years ago you never really found single women in clubs. Men and couples moaned at club owners to try and encourage more females in so they offer free membership and entry. One club we used now shut charged £100 membership a year and £45 entry to guys £50 membership and £25 or £35 on weekends to couples there was always a good mix in even with high prices for guys they scrapped membership charges and made it cheaper for guys each week the number of couples went down and the number of guys went up just before it closed down most nights had 2 or 3 couples and about 30 guys. The guys moaned that there wasn't enough couples/ females in. So you pay slightly more to enter a club but have a good mix of people and have a really good night or they charge everyone the same no females come along the amount of couples drops and you end up in a club with loads of single guys and the odd couple in there feel intimidated and don't play. All the guys that attend the clubs we visit are happy and have a good time unfortunately there is really no other way to police the number of guys in a club unless they say first 20 get in then don't allow anymore in, witch would cause major problems on the door. " Or just book the places in advance online...and fill the no show slots with punters...oh wait that would mean that you couldn't charge men more so scratch that idea. Because taking the effort to fill allotted slots is far too hard. Best just to discriminate, price out older men, Men with families, bills and debts, etc Gold star. | |||
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"Jeez..I must have said this 100 times now. Swingers clubs, as private members clubs are exempt from discrimination laws and can charge people different rates to encourage people from specific groups that are under represented.It is clear, even on Fab, that single females are outnumbered by guys hugely and the same is seen in clubs, therefore they are seen as an under represented group. Private members clubs can charge females less legally to encourage them into the club as they are under represented. Nobody has taken a swingers club to court on discrimination grounds as what we do is legal. I agree that some clubs completely rip guys off. Just don't go then. Go to other clubs that have fairer pricing. Or think with your feet and don't go at all. At the end of the day, we restrict males and we are a very successful venue. We don't rip guys off, we just monitor numbers. Other clubs use pricing to curb the number of guys. You have a choice..go or don't. Nobody is forcing you. It's not like you don't have a choice of clubs to go to that don't rip you off. People think the Law is stalwart but it's completely not. Opportunistic solicitors will take on any case. The reason no one has yet is due to the embarrassment of it. Someone will eventually. At least you admit your sexism. l applaud that. lt's sad for certain demographics of men though. Unless an old boy has a great pension, he just cannot go. lt's essentially proto-ageism against older men as well. State pensions can't really cover the exploitative prices can they? The hilarious thing about all of this is when it happens to women to never stop whinging about it. The ''gender pay gap'' for instance. Men work longer hour, can work physical job and can take on mor dangerous unsanitary jobs. As a result, men earn more in general....Yet when you use the ole' supply and demand of workers explanation it's shot to bits. Typical double standards." People are all talk. No one would take it to court. It's been debated for years. Usually by people who have never even set foot inside a club, but at least they have something to moan about. In the mean time we will all crack on as we are, attending our favourite clubs who don't necessarily rip off men. | |||
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"Jeez..I must have said this 100 times now. Swingers clubs, as private members clubs are exempt from discrimination laws and can charge people different rates to encourage people from specific groups that are under represented.It is clear, even on Fab, that single females are outnumbered by guys hugely and the same is seen in clubs, therefore they are seen as an under represented group. Private members clubs can charge females less legally to encourage them into the club as they are under represented. Nobody has taken a swingers club to court on discrimination grounds as what we do is legal. I agree that some clubs completely rip guys off. Just don't go then. Go to other clubs that have fairer pricing. Or think with your feet and don't go at all. At the end of the day, we restrict males and we are a very successful venue. We don't rip guys off, we just monitor numbers. Other clubs use pricing to curb the number of guys. You have a choice..go or don't. Nobody is forcing you. It's not like you don't have a choice of clubs to go to that don't rip you off. People think the Law is stalwart but it's completely not. Opportunistic solicitors will take on any case. The reason no one has yet is due to the embarrassment of it. Someone will eventually. At least you admit your sexism. l applaud that. lt's sad for certain demographics of men though. Unless an old boy has a great pension, he just cannot go. lt's essentially proto-ageism against older men as well. State pensions can't really cover the exploitative prices can they? The hilarious thing about all of this is when it happens to women to never stop whinging about it. The ''gender pay gap'' for instance. Men work longer hour, can work physical job and can take on mor dangerous unsanitary jobs. As a result, men earn more in general....Yet when you use the ole' supply and demand of workers explanation it's shot to bits. Typical double standards. People are all talk. No one would take it to court. It's been debated for years. Usually by people who have never even set foot inside a club, but at least they have something to moan about. In the mean time we will all crack on as we are, attending our favourite clubs who don't necessarily rip off men. " Haha. You could refute a single point l made. You can keep your clubs and l will keep my princples.. The type that are willing to discrimate on grounds of gender and income are not the type of people l want to rubs shoulders with. The company you keep screams volumes really. | |||
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"Jeez..I must have said this 100 times now. Swingers clubs, as private members clubs are exempt from discrimination laws and can charge people different rates to encourage people from specific groups that are under represented.It is clear, even on Fab, that single females are outnumbered by guys hugely and the same is seen in clubs, therefore they are seen as an under represented group. Private members clubs can charge females less legally to encourage them into the club as they are under represented. Nobody has taken a swingers club to court on discrimination grounds as what we do is legal. I agree that some clubs completely rip guys off. Just don't go then. Go to other clubs that have fairer pricing. Or think with your feet and don't go at all. At the end of the day, we restrict males and we are a very successful venue. We don't rip guys off, we just monitor numbers. Other clubs use pricing to curb the number of guys. You have a choice..go or don't. Nobody is forcing you. It's not like you don't have a choice of clubs to go to that don't rip you off. People think the Law is stalwart but it's completely not. Opportunistic solicitors will take on any case. The reason no one has yet is due to the embarrassment of it. Someone will eventually. At least you admit your sexism. l applaud that. lt's sad for certain demographics of men though. Unless an old boy has a great pension, he just cannot go. lt's essentially proto-ageism against older men as well. State pensions can't really cover the exploitative prices can they? The hilarious thing about all of this is when it happens to women to never stop whinging about it. The ''gender pay gap'' for instance. Men work longer hour, can work physical job and can take on mor dangerous unsanitary jobs. As a result, men earn more in general....Yet when you use the ole' supply and demand of workers explanation it's shot to bits. Typical double standards. People are all talk. No one would take it to court. It's been debated for years. Usually by people who have never even set foot inside a club, but at least they have something to moan about. In the mean time we will all crack on as we are, attending our favourite clubs who don't necessarily rip off men. Haha. You could refute a single point l made. You can keep your clubs and l will keep my princples.. The type that are willing to discrimate on grounds of gender and income are not the type of people l want to rubs shoulders with. The company you keep screams volumes really. "Thank fuck for that!! Clubs are fun. Not for those who love to moan. You crack on mate. I certainly won't lose any sleep. You commenting on all the discrimination threads will not make an difference, but if that's how you get your fun then enjoy. | |||
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"Jeez..I must have said this 100 times now. Swingers clubs, as private members clubs are exempt from discrimination laws and can charge people different rates to encourage people from specific groups that are under represented.It is clear, even on Fab, that single females are outnumbered by guys hugely and the same is seen in clubs, therefore they are seen as an under represented group. Private members clubs can charge females less legally to encourage them into the club as they are under represented. Nobody has taken a swingers club to court on discrimination grounds as what we do is legal. I agree that some clubs completely rip guys off. Just don't go then. Go to other clubs that have fairer pricing. Or think with your feet and don't go at all. At the end of the day, we restrict males and we are a very successful venue. We don't rip guys off, we just monitor numbers. Other clubs use pricing to curb the number of guys. You have a choice..go or don't. Nobody is forcing you. It's not like you don't have a choice of clubs to go to that don't rip you off. People think the Law is stalwart but it's completely not. Opportunistic solicitors will take on any case. The reason no one has yet is due to the embarrassment of it. Someone will eventually. At least you admit your sexism. l applaud that. lt's sad for certain demographics of men though. Unless an old boy has a great pension, he just cannot go. lt's essentially proto-ageism against older men as well. State pensions can't really cover the exploitative prices can they? The hilarious thing about all of this is when it happens to women to never stop whinging about it. The ''gender pay gap'' for instance. Men work longer hour, can work physical job and can take on mor dangerous unsanitary jobs. As a result, men earn more in general....Yet when you use the ole' supply and demand of workers explanation it's shot to bits. Typical double standards. People are all talk. No one would take it to court. It's been debated for years. Usually by people who have never even set foot inside a club, but at least they have something to moan about. In the mean time we will all crack on as we are, attending our favourite clubs who don't necessarily rip off men. Haha. You could refute a single point l made. You can keep your clubs and l will keep my princples.. The type that are willing to discrimate on grounds of gender and income are not the type of people l want to rubs shoulders with. The company you keep screams volumes really.
Thank fuck for that!! Clubs are fun. Not for those who love to moan. You crack on mate. I certainly won't lose any sleep. You commenting on all the discrimination threads will not make an difference, but if that's how you get your fun then enjoy."Still not a single refutation. xD Clubs are fun, especially when they are free and you aren't profiled and treated like shit at them and how do you know i've never attended any at some point?
Erm, actually club pricing policy has GREATLY affected club attendance in recent years, especially nightclubs. There is always BDSM woman from London lamenting the fact. Dropping like flies.
Cherish your misandrist watering hole before it dries up ''mate''.
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"Jeez..I must have said this 100 times now. Swingers clubs, as private members clubs are exempt from discrimination laws and can charge people different rates to encourage people from specific groups that are under represented.It is clear, even on Fab, that single females are outnumbered by guys hugely and the same is seen in clubs, therefore they are seen as an under represented group. Private members clubs can charge females less legally to encourage them into the club as they are under represented. Nobody has taken a swingers club to court on discrimination grounds as what we do is legal. I agree that some clubs completely rip guys off. Just don't go then. Go to other clubs that have fairer pricing. Or think with your feet and don't go at all. At the end of the day, we restrict males and we are a very successful venue. We don't rip guys off, we just monitor numbers. Other clubs use pricing to curb the number of guys. You have a choice..go or don't. Nobody is forcing you. It's not like you don't have a choice of clubs to go to that don't rip you off. People think the Law is stalwart but it's completely not. Opportunistic solicitors will take on any case. The reason no one has yet is due to the embarrassment of it. Someone will eventually. At least you admit your sexism. l applaud that. lt's sad for certain demographics of men though. Unless an old boy has a great pension, he just cannot go. lt's essentially proto-ageism against older men as well. State pensions can't really cover the exploitative prices can they? The hilarious thing about all of this is when it happens to women to never stop whinging about it. The ''gender pay gap'' for instance. Men work longer hour, can work physical job and can take on mor dangerous unsanitary jobs. As a result, men earn more in general....Yet when you use the ole' supply and demand of workers explanation it's shot to bits. Typical double standards. People are all talk. No one would take it to court. It's been debated for years. Usually by people who have never even set foot inside a club, but at least they have something to moan about. In the mean time we will all crack on as we are, attending our favourite clubs who don't necessarily rip off men. Haha. You could refute a single point l made. You can keep your clubs and l will keep my princples.. The type that are willing to discrimate on grounds of gender and income are not the type of people l want to rubs shoulders with. The company you keep screams volumes really.
Thank fuck for that!! Clubs are fun. Not for those who love to moan. You crack on mate. I certainly won't lose any sleep. You commenting on all the discrimination threads will not make an difference, but if that's how you get your fun then enjoy.
Still not a single refutation. xD
Clubs are fun, especially when they are free and you aren't profiled and treated like shit at them and how do you know i've never attended any at some point?
Erm, actually club pricing policy has GREATLY affected club attendance in recent years, especially nightclubs. There is always BDSM woman from London lamenting the fact. Dropping like flies.
Cherish your misandrist watering hole before it dries up ''mate''.
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"Jeez..I must have said this 100 times now. Swingers clubs, as private members clubs are exempt from discrimination laws and can charge people different rates to encourage people from specific groups that are under represented.It is clear, even on Fab, that single females are outnumbered by guys hugely and the same is seen in clubs, therefore they are seen as an under represented group. Private members clubs can charge females less legally to encourage them into the club as they are under represented. Nobody has taken a swingers club to court on discrimination grounds as what we do is legal. I agree that some clubs completely rip guys off. Just don't go then. Go to other clubs that have fairer pricing. Or think with your feet and don't go at all. At the end of the day, we restrict males and we are a very successful venue. We don't rip guys off, we just monitor numbers. Other clubs use pricing to curb the number of guys. You have a choice..go or don't. Nobody is forcing you. It's not like you don't have a choice of clubs to go to that don't rip you off. People think the Law is stalwart but it's completely not. Opportunistic solicitors will take on any case. The reason no one has yet is due to the embarrassment of it. Someone will eventually. At least you admit your sexism. l applaud that. lt's sad for certain demographics of men though. Unless an old boy has a great pension, he just cannot go. lt's essentially proto-ageism against older men as well. State pensions can't really cover the exploitative prices can they? The hilarious thing about all of this is when it happens to women to never stop whinging about it. The ''gender pay gap'' for instance. Men work longer hour, can work physical job and can take on mor dangerous unsanitary jobs. As a result, men earn more in general....Yet when you use the ole' supply and demand of workers explanation it's shot to bits. Typical double standards. People are all talk. No one would take it to court. It's been debated for years. Usually by people who have never even set foot inside a club, but at least they have something to moan about. In the mean time we will all crack on as we are, attending our favourite clubs who don't necessarily rip off men. Haha. You could refute a single point l made. You can keep your clubs and l will keep my princples.. The type that are willing to discrimate on grounds of gender and income are not the type of people l want to rubs shoulders with. The company you keep screams volumes really.
Thank fuck for that!! Clubs are fun. Not for those who love to moan. You crack on mate. I certainly won't lose any sleep. You commenting on all the discrimination threads will not make an difference, but if that's how you get your fun then enjoy.
Still not a single refutation. xD
Clubs are fun, especially when they are free and you aren't profiled and treated like shit at them and how do you know i've never attended any at some point?
Erm, actually club pricing policy has GREATLY affected club attendance in recent years, especially nightclubs. There is always BDSM woman from London lamenting the fact. Dropping like flies.
Cherish your misandrist watering hole before it dries up ''mate''.
Because you always bang on about you haven't been to clubs and never will. Don't go. It won't change anything and if it makes you feel better to moan then great. "l don't go to them. Present tense, not past. | |||
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"Jeez..I must have said this 100 times now. Swingers clubs, as private members clubs are exempt from discrimination laws and can charge people different rates to encourage people from specific groups that are under represented.It is clear, even on Fab, that single females are outnumbered by guys hugely and the same is seen in clubs, therefore they are seen as an under represented group. Private members clubs can charge females less legally to encourage them into the club as they are under represented. Nobody has taken a swingers club to court on discrimination grounds as what we do is legal. I agree that some clubs completely rip guys off. Just don't go then. Go to other clubs that have fairer pricing. Or think with your feet and don't go at all. At the end of the day, we restrict males and we are a very successful venue. We don't rip guys off, we just monitor numbers. Other clubs use pricing to curb the number of guys. You have a choice..go or don't. Nobody is forcing you. It's not like you don't have a choice of clubs to go to that don't rip you off. People think the Law is stalwart but it's completely not. Opportunistic solicitors will take on any case. The reason no one has yet is due to the embarrassment of it. Someone will eventually. At least you admit your sexism. l applaud that. lt's sad for certain demographics of men though. Unless an old boy has a great pension, he just cannot go. lt's essentially proto-ageism against older men as well. State pensions can't really cover the exploitative prices can they? The hilarious thing about all of this is when it happens to women to never stop whinging about it. The ''gender pay gap'' for instance. Men work longer hour, can work physical job and can take on mor dangerous unsanitary jobs. As a result, men earn more in general....Yet when you use the ole' supply and demand of workers explanation it's shot to bits. Typical double standards. People are all talk. No one would take it to court. It's been debated for years. Usually by people who have never even set foot inside a club, but at least they have something to moan about. In the mean time we will all crack on as we are, attending our favourite clubs who don't necessarily rip off men. Haha. You could refute a single point l made. You can keep your clubs and l will keep my princples.. The type that are willing to discrimate on grounds of gender and income are not the type of people l want to rubs shoulders with. The company you keep screams volumes really.
Thank fuck for that!! Clubs are fun. Not for those who love to moan. You crack on mate. I certainly won't lose any sleep. You commenting on all the discrimination threads will not make an difference, but if that's how you get your fun then enjoy.
Still not a single refutation. xD
Clubs are fun, especially when they are free and you aren't profiled and treated like shit at them and how do you know i've never attended any at some point?
Erm, actually club pricing policy has GREATLY affected club attendance in recent years, especially nightclubs. There is always BDSM woman from London lamenting the fact. Dropping like flies.
Cherish your misandrist watering hole before it dries up ''mate''.
Because you always bang on about you haven't been to clubs and never will. Don't go. It won't change anything and if it makes you feel better to moan then great.
l don't go to them. Present tense, not past."Great keep up the good work! Well done you!! We don't want all those ladies drying up. | |||
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"Jeez..I must have said this 100 times now. Swingers clubs, as private members clubs are exempt from discrimination laws and can charge people different rates to encourage people from specific groups that are under represented.It is clear, even on Fab, that single females are outnumbered by guys hugely and the same is seen in clubs, therefore they are seen as an under represented group. Private members clubs can charge females less legally to encourage them into the club as they are under represented. Nobody has taken a swingers club to court on discrimination grounds as what we do is legal. I agree that some clubs completely rip guys off. Just don't go then. Go to other clubs that have fairer pricing. Or think with your feet and don't go at all. At the end of the day, we restrict males and we are a very successful venue. We don't rip guys off, we just monitor numbers. Other clubs use pricing to curb the number of guys. You have a choice..go or don't. Nobody is forcing you. It's not like you don't have a choice of clubs to go to that don't rip you off. People think the Law is stalwart but it's completely not. Opportunistic solicitors will take on any case. The reason no one has yet is due to the embarrassment of it. Someone will eventually. At least you admit your sexism. l applaud that. lt's sad for certain demographics of men though. Unless an old boy has a great pension, he just cannot go. lt's essentially proto-ageism against older men as well. State pensions can't really cover the exploitative prices can they? The hilarious thing about all of this is when it happens to women to never stop whinging about it. The ''gender pay gap'' for instance. Men work longer hour, can work physical job and can take on mor dangerous unsanitary jobs. As a result, men earn more in general....Yet when you use the ole' supply and demand of workers explanation it's shot to bits. Typical double standards. People are all talk. No one would take it to court. It's been debated for years. Usually by people who have never even set foot inside a club, but at least they have something to moan about. In the mean time we will all crack on as we are, attending our favourite clubs who don't necessarily rip off men. Haha. You could refute a single point l made. You can keep your clubs and l will keep my princples.. The type that are willing to discrimate on grounds of gender and income are not the type of people l want to rubs shoulders with. The company you keep screams volumes really.
Thank fuck for that!! Clubs are fun. Not for those who love to moan. You crack on mate. I certainly won't lose any sleep. You commenting on all the discrimination threads will not make an difference, but if that's how you get your fun then enjoy.
Still not a single refutation. xD
Clubs are fun, especially when they are free and you aren't profiled and treated like shit at them and how do you know i've never attended any at some point?
Erm, actually club pricing policy has GREATLY affected club attendance in recent years, especially nightclubs. There is always BDSM woman from London lamenting the fact. Dropping like flies.
Cherish your misandrist watering hole before it dries up ''mate''.
Because you always bang on about you haven't been to clubs and never will. Don't go. It won't change anything and if it makes you feel better to moan then great.
l don't go to them. Present tense, not past.
Great keep up the good work! Well done you!! We don't want all those ladies drying up. "My masculinity is now in freefall as lt hinged on a random woman's opinion of me. What have you done to me!?  | |||
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"Jeez..I must have said this 100 times now. Swingers clubs, as private members clubs are exempt from discrimination laws and can charge people different rates to encourage people from specific groups that are under represented.It is clear, even on Fab, that single females are outnumbered by guys hugely and the same is seen in clubs, therefore they are seen as an under represented group. Private members clubs can charge females less legally to encourage them into the club as they are under represented. Nobody has taken a swingers club to court on discrimination grounds as what we do is legal. I agree that some clubs completely rip guys off. Just don't go then. Go to other clubs that have fairer pricing. Or think with your feet and don't go at all. At the end of the day, we restrict males and we are a very successful venue. We don't rip guys off, we just monitor numbers. Other clubs use pricing to curb the number of guys. You have a choice..go or don't. Nobody is forcing you. It's not like you don't have a choice of clubs to go to that don't rip you off. People think the Law is stalwart but it's completely not. Opportunistic solicitors will take on any case. The reason no one has yet is due to the embarrassment of it. Someone will eventually. At least you admit your sexism. l applaud that. lt's sad for certain demographics of men though. Unless an old boy has a great pension, he just cannot go. lt's essentially proto-ageism against older men as well. State pensions can't really cover the exploitative prices can they? The hilarious thing about all of this is when it happens to women to never stop whinging about it. The ''gender pay gap'' for instance. Men work longer hour, can work physical job and can take on mor dangerous unsanitary jobs. As a result, men earn more in general....Yet when you use the ole' supply and demand of workers explanation it's shot to bits. Typical double standards. People are all talk. No one would take it to court. It's been debated for years. Usually by people who have never even set foot inside a club, but at least they have something to moan about. In the mean time we will all crack on as we are, attending our favourite clubs who don't necessarily rip off men. Haha. You could refute a single point l made. You can keep your clubs and l will keep my princples.. The type that are willing to discrimate on grounds of gender and income are not the type of people l want to rubs shoulders with. The company you keep screams volumes really.
Thank fuck for that!! Clubs are fun. Not for those who love to moan. You crack on mate. I certainly won't lose any sleep. You commenting on all the discrimination threads will not make an difference, but if that's how you get your fun then enjoy.
Still not a single refutation. xD
Clubs are fun, especially when they are free and you aren't profiled and treated like shit at them and how do you know i've never attended any at some point?
Erm, actually club pricing policy has GREATLY affected club attendance in recent years, especially nightclubs. There is always BDSM woman from London lamenting the fact. Dropping like flies.
Cherish your misandrist watering hole before it dries up ''mate''.
Because you always bang on about you haven't been to clubs and never will. Don't go. It won't change anything and if it makes you feel better to moan then great.
l don't go to them. Present tense, not past.
Great keep up the good work! Well done you!! We don't want all those ladies drying up.
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" Or just book the places in advance online...and fill the no show slots with punters...oh wait that would mean that you couldn't charge men more so scratch that idea. Because taking the effort to fill allotted slots is far too hard. Best just to discriminate, price out older men, Men with families, bills and debts, etc Gold star. "I host swinging Social events, while it isn't a club you still need to strive balanced numbers. When I first started I tried to step out of the box, make a change and do just as you have suggested here. Single guy slots filled on the first day with plenty of reserve spaces to spare, few weeks in there was some couple interest but not enough, and no single women instrested egat so ever. I also have a Kik group set up for each separate event so guests can be aquatinted before hand, and I find this works really well, on the group guys kept asking about women and couples and I explained the lack of interest, so the guys all thanked me for trying to do something different and told me to change the prices up so they would pay more to balance the numbers to wuote the guy that suggested "do just what the clubs do that obviously works". I got a general feel of a fair price for the guys from them and upped it so subsidise the cost for women, then re-advertised all of a sudden I was getting more interest, just the sheer increase in women drew in more couples at the price I set for them (no surprise there given how evident it is on the forums alone that many couples search for MFF) within a week the guests list was then full and everyone was happy. So in my experience the only effective way control numbers at these events is via a pricing structure where men pay more to subsidise the cost for women. if you want to try to refute that and still feel it could work, then please feel free to put your money where your mouth is and try and organise you're own event and if it works your way let me know how it worked as I'd be very interested to follow suit and do the same If you don't think I organise events please feel free to refer to my event profile "Curvys Donny Socials" | |||
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" Or just book the places in advance online...and fill the no show slots with punters...oh wait that would mean that you couldn't charge men more so scratch that idea. Because taking the effort to fill allotted slots is far too hard. Best just to discriminate, price out older men, Men with families, bills and debts, etc Gold star.
I host swinging Social events, while it isn't a club you still need to strive balanced numbers. When I first started I tried to step out of the box, make a change and do just as you have suggested here. Single guy slots filled on the first day with plenty of reserve spaces to spare, few weeks in there was some couple interest but not enough, and no single women instrested egat so ever. I also have a Kik group set up for each separate event so guests can be aquatinted before hand, and I find this works really well, on the group guys kept asking about women and couples and I explained the lack of interest, so the guys all thanked me for trying to do something different and told me to change the prices up so they would pay more to balance the numbers to wuote the guy that suggested "do just what the clubs do that obviously works". I got a general feel of a fair price for the guys from them and upped it so subsidise the cost for women, then re-advertised all of a sudden I was getting more interest, just the sheer increase in women drew in more couples at the price I set for them (no surprise there given how evident it is on the forums alone that many couples search for MFF) within a week the guests list was then full and everyone was happy. So in my experience the only effective way control numbers at these events is via a pricing structure where men pay more to subsidise the cost for women.
if you want to try to refute that and still feel it could work, then please feel free to put your money where your mouth is and try and organise you're own event and if it works your way let me know how it worked as I'd be very interested to follow suit and do the same
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"Re the legal disputes here. It's generally unlawful for a private members club to discriminate against members on the grounds of sex. It is lawful to set up clubs based on specific groups and exclude members not in that group. So you could, say, set up a club for black bi women and exclude anyone who wasn't a black bi woman and that would be fine. However, if you allow anyone to be a member (as most swingers clubs do) and then charge men more for membership that's definitely unlawful discrimination. It's not a criminal offence, but anyone bringing a civil case against a club would probably win. " But no one will ever bring a case to court. EVER!! | |||
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"This thread has started to slightly annoy me which shouldn't happen as its supposed to be a balanced, reasoned discussion. However, if you cant afford something stop whingeing and either do something you can afford or get together enough cash to afford a trip to the club of your choice. Your destiny is in your hands! I would love a Rolls Royce but as it is out of my price range I drive a Honda. The question has to asked, Do single guys go to clubs with the expectation that as they have paid a higher entrance fee they will have sex? If that is the case then try a prostitute. It may not be any cheaper but the outcome is guaranteed. When we go to a club as a couple we do not expect to have to be available just because some guy has paid more than us to get in. We go to enjoy the atmosphere and socialise at all levels with like minded people. What we don't want is to feel under pressure to provide "a service". G&A " Think you've misunderstood alot of the comments. It's not so much about not affording it...It's seems more about the excessive charges compared to single ladies. BTW you can keep your Roller... You didn't sell it enough for me to want one...
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"This thread has started to slightly annoy me which shouldn't happen as its supposed to be a balanced, reasoned discussion. However, if you cant afford something stop whingeing and either do something you can afford or get together enough cash to afford a trip to the club of your choice. Your destiny is in your hands! I would love a Rolls Royce but as it is out of my price range I drive a Honda. The question has to asked, Do single guys go to clubs with the expectation that as they have paid a higher entrance fee they will have sex? If that is the case then try a prostitute. It may not be any cheaper but the outcome is guaranteed. When we go to a club as a couple we do not expect to have to be available just because some guy has paid more than us to get in. We go to enjoy the atmosphere and socialise at all levels with like minded people. What we don't want is to feel under pressure to provide "a service". G&A Think you've misunderstood alot of the comments. It's not so much about not affording it...It's seems more about the excessive charges compared to single ladies. BTW you can keep your Roller... You didn't sell it enough for me to want one...
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I think it's to keep the ratio balanced but then again what do I know of the logistics involved in running a successful swinging club I'm a fitness instructor.
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"It's free for single females, well it has been so far
I think it's to keep the ratio balanced but then again what do I know of the logistics involved in running a successful swinging club I'm a fitness instructor.
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"It's free for single females, well it has been so far
I think it's to keep the ratio balanced but then again what do I know of the logistics involved in running a successful swinging club I'm a fitness instructor.
I personally would like to see more single males (toyboys) coming into clubs alone
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" .... As I said above, it's unlawful, but it's difficult to see how it could work in any other way. ,..... No chance in the world to be unlawful. You guys really make up facts about legislation that doesn't exist. All you want is some laws to prescribe this and that and everything. Big Brother society isn't regulated enough in your views. Yes it is. I am a lawyer and it's definitely contrary to the Equality Act 2010. As I said above if a man sued a club for sex discrimination he would more than likely win. " Well I'm not a Lawyer but I've heard on v good authority that there is a private members clause that clubs use to attract under represented minorities, so that is operating within the law. Maybe as a Lawyer you would like to represent some one who is prepared to challenge this. However it would, more than likely, be the death of private swingers clubs, but let's see if there is anyone brave enough out there to put their money and reputation where their mouth is, and settle this once and for all. | |||
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" .... As I said above, it's unlawful, but it's difficult to see how it could work in any other way. ,..... No chance in the world to be unlawful. You guys really make up facts about legislation that doesn't exist. All you want is some laws to prescribe this and that and everything. Big Brother society isn't regulated enough in your views. Yes it is. I am a lawyer and it's definitely contrary to the Equality Act 2010. As I said above if a man sued a club for sex discrimination he would more than likely win. " No it isn't. You know the difference between de facto and de Jure in law right? (And I'm not even a lawyer) If you actually look at the law, there are a number of caveats to these laws (I say laws, because there's more than just one that comes into play, so quote the Equality Act all you wish, but check out the other interacting laws too which would apply) which allow the clubs to skirt through such issues without any legal recrimination. | |||
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" .... As I said above, it's unlawful, but it's difficult to see how it could work in any other way. ,..... No chance in the world to be unlawful. You guys really make up facts about legislation that doesn't exist. All you want is some laws to prescribe this and that and everything. Big Brother society isn't regulated enough in your views. Yes it is. I am a lawyer and it's definitely contrary to the Equality Act 2010. As I said above if a man sued a club for sex discrimination he would more than likely win. " Alright, my learned friend. Just because you are a lawyer, this doesn't make you right. Lawyers lose in court every day. Since you are so confident, why don't you fight the case for OP? You may earn a packet and a name in the swinging community. But let me give you a free legal advice - your claim is doomed from the onset. BTW, if I were to run a club, I'd make single guys pay a grand to enter. Free for the ladies - the prettiest ones may even entice with perks - free sexy outfeets to keep, free lodging for the night or taxi home... I'd love to be taken to Court by an ill advised single dude under Equality Act and what not. | |||
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"Jeez..I must have said this 100 times now. Swingers clubs, as private members clubs are exempt from discrimination laws and can charge people different rates to encourage people from specific groups that are under represented.It is clear, even on Fab, that single females are outnumbered by guys hugely and the same is seen in clubs, therefore they are seen as an under represented group. Private members clubs can charge females less legally to encourage them into the club as they are under represented. Nobody has taken a swingers club to court on discrimination grounds as what we do is legal. I agree that some clubs completely rip guys off. Just don't go then. Go to other clubs that have fairer pricing. Or think with your feet and don't go at all. At the end of the day, we restrict males and we are a very successful venue. We don't rip guys off, we just monitor numbers. Other clubs use pricing to curb the number of guys. You have a choice..go or don't. Nobody is forcing you. It's not like you don't have a choice of clubs to go to that don't rip you off. People think the Law is stalwart but it's completely not. Opportunistic solicitors will take on any case. The reason no one has yet is due to the embarrassment of it. Someone will eventually. At least you admit your sexism. l applaud that. lt's sad for certain demographics of men though. Unless an old boy has a great pension, he just cannot go. lt's essentially proto-ageism against older men as well. State pensions can't really cover the exploitative prices can they? The hilarious thing about all of this is when it happens to women to never stop whinging about it. The ''gender pay gap'' for instance. Men work longer hour, can work physical job and can take on mor dangerous unsanitary jobs. As a result, men earn more in general....Yet when you use the ole' supply and demand of workers explanation it's shot to bits. Typical double standards. People are all talk. No one would take it to court. It's been debated for years. Usually by people who have never even set foot inside a club, but at least they have something to moan about. In the mean time we will all crack on as we are, attending our favourite clubs who don't necessarily rip off men. Haha. You could refute a single point l made. You can keep your clubs and l will keep my princples.. The type that are willing to discrimate on grounds of gender and income are not the type of people l want to rubs shoulders with. The company you keep screams volumes really.
Thank fuck for that!! Clubs are fun. Not for those who love to moan. You crack on mate. I certainly won't lose any sleep. You commenting on all the discrimination threads will not make an difference, but if that's how you get your fun then enjoy.
Still not a single refutation. xD
Clubs are fun, especially when they are free and you aren't profiled and treated like shit at them and how do you know i've never attended any at some point?
Erm, actually club pricing policy has GREATLY affected club attendance in recent years, especially nightclubs. There is always BDSM woman from London lamenting the fact. Dropping like flies.
Cherish your misandrist watering hole before it dries up ''mate''.
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"Makes me laugh the way this post suggests we women don't have to pay as much as men, do you spend 30 quid on your hair? 25 maybe to get your make up done? 60/70 on a dress down outfit (because god forbid you can be seen in the same lingerie more then a few times, not to mention the laddered stockings we stock up on) my personal louboutins which were a present but them beautiful red soles wear down at £550, my bar bill which comes to about £30 (I go to townhouse and with a fully stocked gin bar and such affordable prices this is a bargain at its best) I'd rather be a man and a free towel around me, much less expensive don't you think?" I think again someone missed a small point.... choice. To get in the guy has to pay... To get in the woman doesn't or is much less... To talk of preparation, not all men as you suggest just get out of bed and wrap a towel around them and pay the ticket and walk in. Some spend alot on a wardrobe and preparation as well. Not all but some, same as women. We're not all Neanderthalls even though many want them. .. | |||
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"Makes me laugh the way this post suggests we women don't have to pay as much as men, do you spend 30 quid on your hair? 25 maybe to get your make up done? 60/70 on a dress down outfit (because god forbid you can be seen in the same lingerie more then a few times, not to mention the laddered stockings we stock up on) my personal louboutins which were a present but them beautiful red soles wear down at £550, my bar bill which comes to about £30 (I go to townhouse and with a fully stocked gin bar and such affordable prices this is a bargain at its best) I'd rather be a man and a free towel around me, much less expensive don't you think? I think again someone missed a small point.... choice. To get in the guy has to pay... To get in the woman doesn't or is much less... To talk of preparation, not all men as you suggest just get out of bed and wrap a towel around them and pay the ticket and walk in. Some spend alot on a wardrobe and preparation as well. Not all but some, same as women. We're not all Neanderthalls even though many want them. .. "Ah yes I missed that one out as well, the wardrobe choices a woman goes through too when walking into the club, throws another 100 on top of the price tag The clubs I go to have very reasonably priced events, along with some beautiful ladies.... if I was a male I wouldn't complain | |||
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" .... As I said above, it's unlawful, but it's difficult to see how it could work in any other way. ,..... No chance in the world to be unlawful. You guys really make up facts about legislation that doesn't exist. All you want is some laws to prescribe this and that and everything. Big Brother society isn't regulated enough in your views. Yes it is. I am a lawyer and it's definitely contrary to the Equality Act 2010. As I said above if a man sued a club for sex discrimination he would more than likely win. Alright, my learned friend. Just because you are a lawyer, this doesn't make you right. Lawyers lose in court every day. Since you are so confident, why don't you fight the case for OP? You may earn a packet and a name in the swinging community. But let me give you a free legal advice - your claim is doomed from the onset. BTW, if I were to run a club, I'd make single guys pay a grand to enter. Free for the ladies - the prettiest ones may even entice with perks - free sexy outfeets to keep, free lodging for the night or taxi home... I'd love to be taken to Court by an ill advised single dude under Equality Act and what not. " I don't take a case to court because I can't be arsed to bring a case where the claimant would get about five hundred quid damages. Could you quit the abuse and tell me why my legal analysis is wrong. As I explained above clubs. S101 of the equality act is crystal clear that private members clubs cannot discriminate on the grounds of sex. Could you point to a legal authority that contradicts what seem to me the plain words of s101. | |||
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" .... As I said above, it's unlawful, but it's difficult to see how it could work in any other way. ,..... No chance in the world to be unlawful. You guys really make up facts about legislation that doesn't exist. All you want is some laws to prescribe this and that and everything. Big Brother society isn't regulated enough in your views. Yes it is. I am a lawyer and it's definitely contrary to the Equality Act 2010. As I said above if a man sued a club for sex discrimination he would more than likely win. Well I'm not a Lawyer but I've heard on v good authority that there is a private members clause that clubs use to attract under represented minorities, so that is operating within the law. Maybe as a Lawyer you would like to represent some one who is prepared to challenge this. However it would, more than likely, be the death of private swingers clubs, but let's see if there is anyone brave enough out there to put their money and reputation where their mouth is, and settle this once and for all." The get out clause to which you refer is the one I mentioned above. If you restrict your club to certain groups with certain protected characteristics (like bi women say) you can lawfully exclude people not in that group. However if you admit everyone it's unlawful to give inferior membership terms on the grounds of race, sex etc. That seems to me the clear meaning of s101 of the Equality Act and I have been unable to find any authority that contradicts it. If you or anyone else knows an authority that says this discrimination is lawful, I would. Be very interested to hear of it. By the way. Just saying. "that's not the law" does not cut any ice. You need to quote an act or a case. | |||
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"Just to be clear so people can stop with the personal attacks, I have no skin in this particular game. I understand that the economics of club probably makes it inevitable that men pay for women, however it is unlawful it seems to me. The reason no one challenges it is that most people understand it is economically necessary. However, if anyone knows of any legal authority which states clubs discriminating on the grounds of sex is lawful I am happy to be educated "But clubs don't discriminate as men are allowed entry and they are allowed to be employed by the club. They just aren't the underrepresented party so costs reflect that, that's the loophole in discrimination laws. If you're ever in a position to get to know club owners especially of older clubs you'll know there have been quiet cases in the past all of which have resulted in the claimant getting nothing other than further disgruntled | |||
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" .... As I said above, it's unlawful, but it's difficult to see how it could work in any other way. ,..... No chance in the world to be unlawful. You guys really make up facts about legislation that doesn't exist. All you want is some laws to prescribe this and that and everything. Big Brother society isn't regulated enough in your views. Yes it is. I am a lawyer and it's definitely contrary to the Equality Act 2010. As I said above if a man sued a club for sex discrimination he would more than likely win. Well I'm not a Lawyer but I've heard on v good authority that there is a private members clause that clubs use to attract under represented minorities, so that is operating within the law. Maybe as a Lawyer you would like to represent some one who is prepared to challenge this. However it would, more than likely, be the death of private swingers clubs, but let's see if there is anyone brave enough out there to put their money and reputation where their mouth is, and settle this once and for all. The get out clause to which you refer is the one I mentioned above. If you restrict your club to certain groups with certain protected characteristics (like bi women say) you can lawfully exclude people not in that group. However if you admit everyone it's unlawful to give inferior membership terms on the grounds of race, sex etc. That seems to me the clear meaning of s101 of the Equality Act and I have been unable to find any authority that contradicts it. If you or anyone else knows an authority that says this discrimination is lawful, I would. Be very interested to hear of it. By the way. Just saying. "that's not the law" does not cut any ice. You need to quote an act or a case. "I think you might be referring to s158 of the act actually. That may give a let out but it's certainly arguable the other way | |||
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" .... As I said above, it's unlawful, but it's difficult to see how it could work in any other way. ,..... No chance in the world to be unlawful. You guys really make up facts about legislation that doesn't exist. All you want is some laws to prescribe this and that and everything. Big Brother society isn't regulated enough in your views. Yes it is. I am a lawyer and it's definitely contrary to the Equality Act 2010. As I said above if a man sued a club for sex discrimination he would more than likely win. Well I'm not a Lawyer but I've heard on v good authority that there is a private members clause that clubs use to attract under represented minorities, so that is operating within the law. Maybe as a Lawyer you would like to represent some one who is prepared to challenge this. However it would, more than likely, be the death of private swingers clubs, but let's see if there is anyone brave enough out there to put their money and reputation where their mouth is, and settle this once and for all. The get out clause to which you refer is the one I mentioned above. If you restrict your club to certain groups with certain protected characteristics (like bi women say) you can lawfully exclude people not in that group. However if you admit everyone it's unlawful to give inferior membership terms on the grounds of race, sex etc. That seems to me the clear meaning of s101 of the Equality Act and I have been unable to find any authority that contradicts it. If you or anyone else knows an authority that says this discrimination is lawful, I would. Be very interested to hear of it. By the way. Just saying. "that's not the law" does not cut any ice. You need to quote an act or a case. "Bet no one still takes it to court. So until another thread comes up about this i will just sum up:its all bollocks. So as you are people. The moany men will moan and the ones who understand the practicalities will have fun. The ladies will still pay lots of cash on hair dos etc and the right people will still have fun. | |||
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"On a lighter note.. WHO REMEMBERS THE GOOD OLD PUB VAULT...LOL.. NOW ITS ALL IN... " sorry for caps lock lol a ban due!!! | |||
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" .... As I said above, it's unlawful, but it's difficult to see how it could work in any other way. ,..... No chance in the world to be unlawful. You guys really make up facts about legislation that doesn't exist. All you want is some laws to prescribe this and that and everything. Big Brother society isn't regulated enough in your views. Yes it is. I am a lawyer and it's definitely contrary to the Equality Act 2010. As I said above if a man sued a club for sex discrimination he would more than likely win. The Catholic Church will marry heterosexual people but not homosexuals. And they cannot be taken to court for that Private member swinging clubs can make up their own rules. Just as many private Golf clubs do not permit women full membership" Correction. The Golf clubs are a main target of the equality laws. Different treatment of men and women, giving the former full membership and only associate status to the ladies and restricting them to specified days in the week will be a thing of the past very soon. | |||
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" .... As I said above, it's unlawful, but it's difficult to see how it could work in any other way. ,..... No chance in the world to be unlawful. You guys really make up facts about legislation that doesn't exist. All you want is some laws to prescribe this and that and everything. Big Brother society isn't regulated enough in your views. Yes it is. I am a lawyer and it's definitely contrary to the Equality Act 2010. As I said above if a man sued a club for sex discrimination he would more than likely win. The Catholic Church will marry heterosexual people but not homosexuals. And they cannot be taken to court for that Private member swinging clubs can make up their own rules. Just as many private Golf clubs do not permit women full membership Correction. The Golf clubs are a main target of the equality laws. Different treatment of men and women, giving the former full membership and only associate status to the ladies and restricting them to specified days in the week will be a thing of the past very soon." But as the law stands at the moment, many private member only Golf clubs can and do restrict membership to women and they cannot be taken to court for that. Public opinion may sway them to change, but the law, as it stands, cannot Same is true for private member only swinging clubs | |||
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" .... As I said above, it's unlawful, but it's difficult to see how it could work in any other way. ,..... No chance in the world to be unlawful. You guys really make up facts about legislation that doesn't exist. All you want is some laws to prescribe this and that and everything. Big Brother society isn't regulated enough in your views. Yes it is. I am a lawyer and it's definitely contrary to the Equality Act 2010. As I said above if a man sued a club for sex discrimination he would more than likely win. The Catholic Church will marry heterosexual people but not homosexuals. And they cannot be taken to court for that Private member swinging clubs can make up their own rules. Just as many private Golf clubs do not permit women full membership Correction. The Golf clubs are a main target of the equality laws. Different treatment of men and women, giving the former full membership and only associate status to the ladies and restricting them to specified days in the week will be a thing of the past very soon. But as the law stands at the moment, many private member only Golf clubs can and do restrict membership to women and they cannot be taken to court for that. Public opinion may sway them to change, but the law, as it stands, cannot Same is true for private member only swinging clubs" The law as it stands since 2010 does not allow discrimination in golg clubs. Many gold clubs have made the required changes in their policy and practice. However, as with everything in life, not all has been sorted out everywhere. Swingers clubs are different to golf clubs in many aspects. Equality law does not apply to them. | |||
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" .... As I said above, it's unlawful, but it's difficult to see how it could work in any other way. ,..... No chance in the world to be unlawful. You guys really make up facts about legislation that doesn't exist. All you want is some laws to prescribe this and that and everything. Big Brother society isn't regulated enough in your views. Yes it is. I am a lawyer and it's definitely contrary to the Equality Act 2010. As I said above if a man sued a club for sex discrimination he would more than likely win. The Catholic Church will marry heterosexual people but not homosexuals. And they cannot be taken to court for that Private member swinging clubs can make up their own rules. Just as many private Golf clubs do not permit women full membership Correction. The Golf clubs are a main target of the equality laws. Different treatment of men and women, giving the former full membership and only associate status to the ladies and restricting them to specified days in the week will be a thing of the past very soon. But as the law stands at the moment, many private member only Golf clubs can and do restrict membership to women and they cannot be taken to court for that. Public opinion may sway them to change, but the law, as it stands, cannot Same is true for private member only swinging clubs The law as it stands since 2010 does not allow discrimination in golg clubs. Many gold clubs have made the required changes in their policy and practice. However, as with everything in life, not all has been sorted out everywhere. Swingers clubs are different to golf clubs in many aspects. Equality law does not apply to them." Private members clubs of any nature can make up their rules as they wish The Catholic Church, another private members only club, has also made up their rules and no homosexuals can demand to have the same rights there as heterosexuals do. The Equality Act 2010 states that very explicitly | |||
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" .... As I said above, it's unlawful, but it's difficult to see how it could work in any other way. ,..... No chance in the world to be unlawful. You guys really make up facts about legislation that doesn't exist. All you want is some laws to prescribe this and that and everything. Big Brother society isn't regulated enough in your views. Yes it is. I am a lawyer and it's definitely contrary to the Equality Act 2010. As I said above if a man sued a club for sex discrimination he would more than likely win. Alright, my learned friend. Just because you are a lawyer, this doesn't make you right. Lawyers lose in court every day. Since you are so confident, why don't you fight the case for OP? You may earn a packet and a name in the swinging community. But let me give you a free legal advice - your claim is doomed from the onset. BTW, if I were to run a club, I'd make single guys pay a grand to enter. Free for the ladies - the prettiest ones may even entice with perks - free sexy outfeets to keep, free lodging for the night or taxi home... I'd love to be taken to Court by an ill advised single dude under Equality Act and what not. I don't take a case to court because I can't be arsed to bring a case where the claimant would get about five hundred quid damages. Could you quit the abuse and tell me why my legal analysis is wrong. As I explained above clubs. S101 of the equality act is crystal clear that private members clubs cannot discriminate on the grounds of sex. Could you point to a legal authority that contradicts what seem to me the plain words of s101. " First of all, I'm sorry that you perceived abuse in my posts! That wasn't my intention and I admire your gentle response instead of replying in kind (bearing in mind how you felt). It was a clash of opinions, not of personalities. I actually winked at you and won't mind giving your lady a nice long massage, while talking about legal and other matters. That out of the way, very briefly on account of the Equality Act 2010. You cite section 101. My answer : This section does not apply to swingers clubs . It applies to associations. Swingers clubs aren't associations. Sw clubs are glorified house parties. The owners can do as they please pretty much. They can invite whoever they want and turn away whoever they want, be it on protected characteristis (sex, sexual orientation, age, race, etc..) or just because they don't like your face and hair do. Just as when I have my 21st Birthday party next year  I can allow in the venue only those I wish and no Equality Laws or learned lawyers can make the tiniest bit of difference.
Assosications and private clubs are run by the members for the members and associates. Like the Bar Association, Law Society, golf clubs and many others.
The aim of the equality legislation is to ensure that people aren't discriminated on characteristis that normally have nothing to do with making use of the core activities of the club. Hence, the Law society cannot reject your application to be admitted as a solicitor, because you are black or asian etc...Or because there are already too many male solicitors, so let's allow only women to qualify for the next 3 years or offer discounted price for all hot young lawyers with size D cap.
As you are surely aware, the Act targets only clubs with over 25 members and who also have a formal vetting process for admitting new members. Obviously, the aim of the legislation is to target discrimination where it is likely to occur on the larger scale while at the same time doesn't interfere with the right of people to chose freely what and where and with whom they do whatever they want to do.
If there is one place where gender plays a paramount role, this must be sexual activities. Sex is irrelevant to your abilities as a lawyer and if you were discriminated against because a female judge ignores your submissions solely because you are a male, is outright wrong and illegal.
But not so with swingers clubs.
For one, these are privately owned . But that's not enough of course - a pub is privately owned too. The pub is open to the public though. Swingers clubs may or may or may not be open to the public, in any event the club may restrict anyone at any time.
Whether there is a vetting proces in the sw club, still the owners have the final say who they will admit as a member or guest.
Secondly, people meet for the purposes of engaging in sexual activities (sorry for the lack of order, but no time to re-read the post..) . Whoever runs the club has to find the right balance for the visitors to enjoy their stay , because ultimately, having sex is the most personal and intimate matter of absolute choice that one can make.
Will law try to tell me that I have to accept to be surrounded by an army of single men while shagging in public, because , you see, the club is a public place? Or a beautiful single woman be surrounded by hoards of sperm shooting males while all she wants is to engage in some lesbian fun?
The law may be quite stupid at times ,but let's give credit after all, that we still have freedom to make many choiced in life without having a police officer tellings us how we fall foul of the law on every turn.
So, the club ascertains that having some ratio of men/women/ couples is best for everyone. Even for the single guys - otherwise, the club will be full of singles men only , hungry for a pussy, but no one to bee seen...
The club clearly has the right , because there is no law to prevent it, to impose different tiers of membership and /or different entry prices.
You can look at it this way:
Capacity 40 people. The club apportions 10 for each group ladies, men, couples.
10 couples at £25- filled in quickly.
10 single ladies at , say £10 - mmmm, only a couple of ladies respond. Well, let's try free entry then . Ok , a bit better, 7 or 8 may be. Not ideal , but at least someone will be coming. It is clear  ')that Free for the ladies from now on.
10 for single guys? 100+ roar. Oh, well, shall we say £40? Damn, should have charged them £60, 10 guys in in less than 10min.
Simple economics of supply and demand.
We don't even have to go the Equality Act, if it were to apply, which I established, it doesn't, where there is a legitimate reasons defence, for example , and the above commercial reasons are a legitimate reason.
Another way of looking at the subject is:
Everyone pays in one way or another.
Women bring boobs, bums and pussies, shiny smiles , aroma and exitement...
Couples? The man brings a woman with the above..
Single guys - they bring a cock each. A cock??? You must be kidding ! Everyone can bring a dick. We have plenty of those already. So single guys have to contribute somehow . How? In cash .
Imagine this hypothetical scenario:
A town has got many women and a few men. Perhaps an open female prison is nearby.
A swingers club opens its doors. every night - 100 female inmates, cock hungry , hunting for a cock, but none yet.
So they feel just the way they are in the prison- women only, no men.
Will they go back to the club? What for? They pay good money to be there, but no point.
The club decides to reduce the price for men. A few machos poke their heads through the doors and are immeditely stripped off all clothing, smooched and you know what's next. Mixed feeling of lust, passion , shock and fear and being overwhelmed by the reception.
Doubtful if they will go back.
The clubs says - free entry for all men. Many more men attend the next time and things are ballanced out...
You see that just quoting the law doesn't help. The law has to be applied to the facts correctly. As I said, lawyers lose in court every day, Judges pronounce perverse judgments every day.
Many considerations have to be taken into account when one considers the legal provisions and practice.
As it stands at present, swingers clubs can charge as much as they want whoever they want and can reject anyone they want on whatever grounds they want without any chance for a successful court claim against them.
May it continue this way for generations to come!
All the best, you swingers! Play safe
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" . The law as it stands since 2010 does not allow discrimination in golg clubs. Many gold clubs have made the required changes in their policy and practice. However, as with everything in life, not all has been sorted out everywhere. Swingers clubs are different to golf clubs in many aspects. Equality law does not apply to them." Obviously I meant GOLF clubs  | |||
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"Get over the price to get in, it is a nice night out. If you can't afford to go too often don't go! Nobody forces you to go & if you find it too pricey then get to know people who go & arrange to meet elsewhere. We travel a long way to go to clubs, but do we whinge that they should be closer, no! We've never asked for a subsidy from single guys who live closer, or those that have more economical cars than us, or those that buy cheaper wine than we do - jeez
Sorry for the rant, moany single guys are so fucking irritating - this is not about you getting fucked, it is about us all having a good time. Clubs need to make money to run & clearly more single guys want to go than single ladies, so you limit demand by charging more! & no it is not discrimination, it is a private club and those are the rules....
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"So what's it to be guys? 1) Complete equality of pricing and clubs just rammed with single guys, with a lady or couple once in a blue moon - and the assurance that it will shut in a few months time 2) Chaps are charged more, and you get a club with more ladies and couples " Equal outcome at all cost. That is what the dogma of feminism declares. There is NO (not even biological) difference between men and women and the only differences are due to society. You made your bed girls. You can't have it all ways. I personally feel women HAVE to feel like they are entitled. Does it give you a kick? | |||
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"So what's it to be guys? 1) Complete equality of pricing and clubs just rammed with single guys, with a lady or couple once in a blue moon - and the assurance that it will shut in a few months time 2) Chaps are charged more, and you get a club with more ladies and couples " Doesn't have to be only two choices.. A club can allocate say 200 tickets (or whatever club holds) and sell so many to couples and so many to singles..once gone all gone..fair pricing and the right mix.. | |||
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" .... As I said above, it's unlawful, but it's difficult to see how it could work in any other way. ,..... No chance in the world to be unlawful. You guys really make up facts about legislation that doesn't exist. All you want is some laws to prescribe this and that and everything. Big Brother society isn't regulated enough in your views. Yes it is. I am a lawyer and it's definitely contrary to the Equality Act 2010. As I said above if a man sued a club for sex discrimination he would more than likely win. Alright, my learned friend. Just because you are a lawyer, this doesn't make you right. Lawyers lose in court every day. Since you are so confident, why don't you fight the case for OP? You may earn a packet and a name in the swinging community. But let me give you a free legal advice - your claim is doomed from the onset. BTW, if I were to run a club, I'd make single guys pay a grand to enter. Free for the ladies - the prettiest ones may even entice with perks - free sexy outfeets to keep, free lodging for the night or taxi home... I'd love to be taken to Court by an ill advised single dude under Equality Act and what not. I don't take a case to court because I can't be arsed to bring a case where the claimant would get about five hundred quid damages. Could you quit the abuse and tell me why my legal analysis is wrong. As I explained above clubs. S101 of the equality act is crystal clear that private members clubs cannot discriminate on the grounds of sex. Could you point to a legal authority that contradicts what seem to me the plain words of s101. First of all, I'm sorry that you perceived abuse in my posts! That wasn't my intention and I admire your gentle response instead of replying in kind (bearing in mind how you felt). It was a clash of opinions, not of personalities. I actually winked at you and won't mind giving your lady a nice long massage, while talking about legal and other matters. That out of the way, very briefly on account of the Equality Act 2010. You cite section 101. My answer : This section does not apply to swingers clubs . It applies to associations. Swingers clubs aren't associations. Sw clubs are glorified house parties. The owners can do as they please pretty much. They can invite whoever they want and turn away whoever they want, be it on protected characteristis (sex, sexual orientation, age, race, etc..) or just because they don't like your face and hair do. Just as when I have my 21st Birthday party next year I can allow in the venue only those I wish and no Equality Laws or learned lawyers can make the tiniest bit of difference.
Assosications and private clubs are run by the members for the members and associates. Like the Bar Association, Law Society, golf clubs and many others.
The aim of the equality legislation is to ensure that people aren't discriminated on characteristis that normally have nothing to do with making use of the core activities of the club. Hence, the Law society cannot reject your application to be admitted as a solicitor, because you are black or asian etc...Or because there are already too many male solicitors, so let's allow only women to qualify for the next 3 years or offer discounted price for all hot young lawyers with size D cap.
As you are surely aware, the Act targets only clubs with over 25 members and who also have a formal vetting process for admitting new members. Obviously, the aim of the legislation is to target discrimination where it is likely to occur on the larger scale while at the same time doesn't interfere with the right of people to chose freely what and where and with whom they do whatever they want to do.
If there is one place where gender plays a paramount role, this must be sexual activities. Sex is irrelevant to your abilities as a lawyer and if you were discriminated against because a female judge ignores your submissions solely because you are a male, is outright wrong and illegal.
But not so with swingers clubs.
For one, these are privately owned . But that's not enough of course - a pub is privately owned too. The pub is open to the public though. Swingers clubs may or may or may not be open to the public, in any event the club may restrict anyone at any time.
Whether there is a vetting proces in the sw club, still the owners have the final say who they will admit as a member or guest.
Secondly, people meet for the purposes of engaging in sexual activities (sorry for the lack of order, but no time to re-read the post..) . Whoever runs the club has to find the right balance for the visitors to enjoy their stay , because ultimately, having sex is the most personal and intimate matter of absolute choice that one can make.
Will law try to tell me that I have to accept to be surrounded by an army of single men while shagging in public, because , you see, the club is a public place? Or a beautiful single woman be surrounded by hoards of sperm shooting males while all she wants is to engage in some lesbian fun?
The law may be quite stupid at times ,but let's give credit after all, that we still have freedom to make many choiced in life without having a police officer tellings us how we fall foul of the law on every turn.
So, the club ascertains that having some ratio of men/women/ couples is best for everyone. Even for the single guys - otherwise, the club will be full of singles men only , hungry for a pussy, but no one to bee seen...
The club clearly has the right , because there is no law to prevent it, to impose different tiers of membership and /or different entry prices.
You can look at it this way:
Capacity 40 people. The club apportions 10 for each group ladies, men, couples.
10 couples at £25- filled in quickly.
10 single ladies at , say £10 - mmmm, only a couple of ladies respond. Well, let's try free entry then . Ok , a bit better, 7 or 8 may be. Not ideal , but at least someone will be coming. It is clear ')that Free for the ladies from now on.
10 for single guys? 100+ roar. Oh, well, shall we say £40? Damn, should have charged them £60, 10 guys in in less than 10min.
Simple economics of supply and demand.
We don't even have to go the Equality Act, if it were to apply, which I established, it doesn't, where there is a legitimate reasons defence, for example , and the above commercial reasons are a legitimate reason.
Another way of looking at the subject is:
Everyone pays in one way or another.
Women bring boobs, bums and pussies, shiny smiles , aroma and exitement...
Couples? The man brings a woman with the above..
Single guys - they bring a cock each. A cock??? You must be kidding ! Everyone can bring a dick. We have plenty of those already. So single guys have to contribute somehow . How? In cash .
Imagine this hypothetical scenario:
A town has got many women and a few men. Perhaps an open female prison is nearby.
A swingers club opens its doors. every night - 100 female inmates, cock hungry , hunting for a cock, but none yet.
So they feel just the way they are in the prison- women only, no men.
Will they go back to the club? What for? They pay good money to be there, but no point.
The club decides to reduce the price for men. A few machos poke their heads through the doors and are immeditely stripped off all clothing, smooched and you know what's next. Mixed feeling of lust, passion , shock and fear and being overwhelmed by the reception.
Doubtful if they will go back.
The clubs says - free entry for all men. Many more men attend the next time and things are ballanced out...
You see that just quoting the law doesn't help. The law has to be applied to the facts correctly. As I said, lawyers lose in court every day, Judges pronounce perverse judgments every day.
Many considerations have to be taken into account when one considers the legal provisions and practice.
As it stands at present, swingers clubs can charge as much as they want whoever they want and can reject anyone they want on whatever grounds they want without any chance for a successful court claim against them.
May it continue this way for generations to come!
All the best, you swingers! Play safe
"You are bleating on about obscure laws so you can pretend you're Ton Cruise in "A few Good men" And missing the point. Even if it got thrown out of court, they still have to pay through the nose for legal expertise and that cost is worth it. You can't tell have all the benefits of equality and none of the bad. | |||
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"So what's it to be guys? 1) Complete equality of pricing and clubs just rammed with single guys, with a lady or couple once in a blue moon - and the assurance that it will shut in a few months time 2) Chaps are charged more, and you get a club with more ladies and couples Doesn't have to be only two choices.. A club can allocate say 200 tickets (or whatever club holds) and sell so many to couples and so many to singles..once gone all gone..fair pricing and the right mix.." Apparently the women don't show up unless they feel like they are getting a free lunch. | |||
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"Well I've been to every club in the north west and for a single fella to pay 40 to 60 pound on a Saturday night at sum clubs is a rip off. I could name names on who charge that price not my style tho. Dnt see why a women should get in free at sum clubs and then a fella be ripped off and charged 60 pound. How is that fair or right " if you want to fuck that woman then you pays | |||
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"So what's it to be guys? 1) Complete equality of pricing and clubs just rammed with single guys, with a lady or couple once in a blue moon - and the assurance that it will shut in a few months time 2) Chaps are charged more, and you get a club with more ladies and couples Equal outcome at all cost. That is what the dogma of feminism declares. There is NO (not even biological) difference between men and women and the only differences are due to society. You made your bed girls. You can't have it all ways. " I think you'll find they can and do  | |||
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"So what's it to be guys? 1) Complete equality of pricing and clubs just rammed with single guys, with a lady or couple once in a blue moon - and the assurance that it will shut in a few months time 2) Chaps are charged more, and you get a club with more ladies and couples Equal outcome at all cost. That is what the dogma of feminism declares. There is NO (not even biological) difference between men and women and the only differences are due to society. You made your bed girls. You can't have it all ways. I think you'll find they can and do "Maybe. Doubt many women have the integrity to implement complete equality. | |||
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" .... As I said above, it's unlawful, but it's difficult to see how it could work in any other way. ,..... No chance in the world to be unlawful. You guys really make up facts about legislation that doesn't exist. All you want is some laws to prescribe this and that and everything. Big Brother society isn't regulated enough in your views. Yes it is. I am a lawyer and it's definitely contrary to the Equality Act 2010. As I said above if a man sued a club for sex discrimination he would more than likely win. Alright, my learned friend. Just because you are a lawyer, this doesn't make you right. Lawyers lose in court every day. Since you are so confident, why don't you fight the case for OP? You may earn a packet and a name in the swinging community. But let me give you a free legal advice - your claim is doomed from the onset. BTW, if I were to run a club, I'd make single guys pay a grand to enter. Free for the ladies - the prettiest ones may even entice with perks - free sexy outfeets to keep, free lodging for the night or taxi home... I'd love to be taken to Court by an ill advised single dude under Equality Act and what not. I don't take a case to court because I can't be arsed to bring a case where the claimant would get about five hundred quid damages. Could you quit the abuse and tell me why my legal analysis is wrong. As I explained above clubs. S101 of the equality act is crystal clear that private members clubs cannot discriminate on the grounds of sex. Could you point to a legal authority that contradicts what seem to me the plain words of s101. First of all, I'm sorry that you perceived abuse in my posts! That wasn't my intention and I admire your gentle response instead of replying in kind (bearing in mind how you felt). It was a clash of opinions, not of personalities. I actually winked at you and won't mind giving your lady a nice long massage, while talking about legal and other matters. That out of the way, very briefly on account of the Equality Act 2010. You cite section 101. My answer : This section does not apply to swingers clubs . It applies to associations. Swingers clubs aren't associations. Sw clubs are glorified house parties. The owners can do as they please pretty much. They can invite whoever they want and turn away whoever they want, be it on protected characteristis (sex, sexual orientation, age, race, etc..) or just because they don't like your face and hair do. Just as when I have my 21st Birthday party next year I can allow in the venue only those I wish and no Equality Laws or learned lawyers can make the tiniest bit of difference.
Assosications and private clubs are run by the members for the members and associates. Like the Bar Association, Law Society, golf clubs and many others.
The aim of the equality legislation is to ensure that people aren't discriminated on characteristis that normally have nothing to do with making use of the core activities of the club. Hence, the Law society cannot reject your application to be admitted as a solicitor, because you are black or asian etc...Or because there are already too many male solicitors, so let's allow only women to qualify for the next 3 years or offer discounted price for all hot young lawyers with size D cap.
As you are surely aware, the Act targets only clubs with over 25 members and who also have a formal vetting process for admitting new members. Obviously, the aim of the legislation is to target discrimination where it is likely to occur on the larger scale while at the same time doesn't interfere with the right of people to chose freely what and where and with whom they do whatever they want to do.
If there is one place where gender plays a paramount role, this must be sexual activities. Sex is irrelevant to your abilities as a lawyer and if you were discriminated against because a female judge ignores your submissions solely because you are a male, is outright wrong and illegal.
But not so with swingers clubs.
For one, these are privately owned . But that's not enough of course - a pub is privately owned too. The pub is open to the public though. Swingers clubs may or may or may not be open to the public, in any event the club may restrict anyone at any time.
Whether there is a vetting proces in the sw club, still the owners have the final say who they will admit as a member or guest.
Secondly, people meet for the purposes of engaging in sexual activities (sorry for the lack of order, but no time to re-read the post..) . Whoever runs the club has to find the right balance for the visitors to enjoy their stay , because ultimately, having sex is the most personal and intimate matter of absolute choice that one can make.
Will law try to tell me that I have to accept to be surrounded by an army of single men while shagging in public, because , you see, the club is a public place? Or a beautiful single woman be surrounded by hoards of sperm shooting males while all she wants is to engage in some lesbian fun?
The law may be quite stupid at times ,but let's give credit after all, that we still have freedom to make many choiced in life without having a police officer tellings us how we fall foul of the law on every turn.
So, the club ascertains that having some ratio of men/women/ couples is best for everyone. Even for the single guys - otherwise, the club will be full of singles men only , hungry for a pussy, but no one to bee seen...
The club clearly has the right , because there is no law to prevent it, to impose different tiers of membership and /or different entry prices.
You can look at it this way:
Capacity 40 people. The club apportions 10 for each group ladies, men, couples.
10 couples at £25- filled in quickly.
10 single ladies at , say £10 - mmmm, only a couple of ladies respond. Well, let's try free entry then . Ok , a bit better, 7 or 8 may be. Not ideal , but at least someone will be coming. It is clear ')that Free for the ladies from now on.
10 for single guys? 100+ roar. Oh, well, shall we say £40? Damn, should have charged them £60, 10 guys in in less than 10min.
Simple economics of supply and demand.
We don't even have to go the Equality Act, if it were to apply, which I established, it doesn't, where there is a legitimate reasons defence, for example , and the above commercial reasons are a legitimate reason.
Another way of looking at the subject is:
Everyone pays in one way or another.
Women bring boobs, bums and pussies, shiny smiles , aroma and exitement...
Couples? The man brings a woman with the above..
Single guys - they bring a cock each. A cock??? You must be kidding ! Everyone can bring a dick. We have plenty of those already. So single guys have to contribute somehow . How? In cash .
Imagine this hypothetical scenario:
A town has got many women and a few men. Perhaps an open female prison is nearby.
A swingers club opens its doors. every night - 100 female inmates, cock hungry , hunting for a cock, but none yet.
So they feel just the way they are in the prison- women only, no men.
Will they go back to the club? What for? They pay good money to be there, but no point.
The club decides to reduce the price for men. A few machos poke their heads through the doors and are immeditely stripped off all clothing, smooched and you know what's next. Mixed feeling of lust, passion , shock and fear and being overwhelmed by the reception.
Doubtful if they will go back.
The clubs says - free entry for all men. Many more men attend the next time and things are ballanced out...
You see that just quoting the law doesn't help. The law has to be applied to the facts correctly. As I said, lawyers lose in court every day, Judges pronounce perverse judgments every day.
Many considerations have to be taken into account when one considers the legal provisions and practice.
As it stands at present, swingers clubs can charge as much as they want whoever they want and can reject anyone they want on whatever grounds they want without any chance for a successful court claim against them.
May it continue this way for generations to come!
All the best, you swingers! Play safe
You are bleating on about obscure laws so you can pretend you're Ton Cruise in "A few Good men" And missing the point. Even if it got thrown out of court, they still have to pay through the nose for legal expertise and that cost is worth it.
You can't tell have all the benefits of equality and none of the bad.
"Actually, they, the club, won't have to pay a dime. The one who looses the case, will not only have to pay the club's legal costs and costs of their barrister, but will also have to pay all the court costs. The bill could run into tens of thousands of pounds | |||
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"So what's it to be guys? 1) Complete equality of pricing and clubs just rammed with single guys, with a lady or couple once in a blue moon - and the assurance that it will shut in a few months time 2) Chaps are charged more, and you get a club with more ladies and couples Doesn't have to be only two choices.. A club can allocate say 200 tickets (or whatever club holds) and sell so many to couples and so many to singles..once gone all gone..fair pricing and the right mix.." Why should they do that? The present system works very, very well for the clubs, couples and single women | |||
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"So how do gay couples fare in this scenario? Guess the male couple are charged for 2 x single males and the lesbian couple get in Free! Guess swingers clubs currently are hetero driven." I know some clubs would do that which is a disgrace!! We have male and female couples and all of them pay the couples price. The female couple do not pay female prices. A couple is a couple regardless of dynamic!! I hate it when clubs charge TGirls (who only ever attend as a Tgirl) as a single male!!!! | |||
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" .... As I said above, it's unlawful, but it's difficult to see how it could work in any other way. ,..... No chance in the world to be unlawful. You guys really make up facts about legislation that doesn't exist. All you want is some laws to prescribe this and that and everything. Big Brother society isn't regulated enough in your views. Yes it is. I am a lawyer and it's definitely contrary to the Equality Act 2010. As I said above if a man sued a club for sex discrimination he would more than likely win. Alright, my learned friend. Just because you are a lawyer, this doesn't make you right. Lawyers lose in court every day. Since you are so confident, why don't you fight the case for OP? You may earn a packet and a name in the swinging community. But let me give you a free legal advice - your claim is doomed from the onset. BTW, if I were to run a club, I'd make single guys pay a grand to enter. Free for the ladies - the prettiest ones may even entice with perks - free sexy outfeets to keep, free lodging for the night or taxi home... I'd love to be taken to Court by an ill advised single dude under Equality Act and what not. I don't take a case to court because I can't be arsed to bring a case where the claimant would get about five hundred quid damages. Could you quit the abuse and tell me why my legal analysis is wrong. As I explained above clubs. S101 of the equality act is crystal clear that private members clubs cannot discriminate on the grounds of sex. Could you point to a legal authority that contradicts what seem to me the plain words of s101. First of all, I'm sorry that you perceived abuse in my posts! That wasn't my intention and I admire your gentle response instead of replying in kind (bearing in mind how you felt). It was a clash of opinions, not of personalities. I actually winked at you and won't mind giving your lady a nice long massage, while talking about legal and other matters. That out of the way, very briefly on account of the Equality Act 2010. You cite section 101. My answer : This section does not apply to swingers clubs . It applies to associations. Swingers clubs aren't associations. Sw clubs are glorified house parties. The owners can do as they please pretty much. They can invite whoever they want and turn away whoever they want, be it on protected characteristis (sex, sexual orientation, age, race, etc..) or just because they don't like your face and hair do. Just as when I have my 21st Birthday party next year I can allow in the venue only those I wish and no Equality Laws or learned lawyers can make the tiniest bit of difference.
Assosications and private clubs are run by the members for the members and associates. Like the Bar Association, Law Society, golf clubs and many others.
The aim of the equality legislation is to ensure that people aren't discriminated on characteristis that normally have nothing to do with making use of the core activities of the club. Hence, the Law society cannot reject your application to be admitted as a solicitor, because you are black or asian etc...Or because there are already too many male solicitors, so let's allow only women to qualify for the next 3 years or offer discounted price for all hot young lawyers with size D cap.
As you are surely aware, the Act targets only clubs with over 25 members and who also have a formal vetting process for admitting new members. Obviously, the aim of the legislation is to target discrimination where it is likely to occur on the larger scale while at the same time doesn't interfere with the right of people to chose freely what and where and with whom they do whatever they want to do.
If there is one place where gender plays a paramount role, this must be sexual activities. Sex is irrelevant to your abilities as a lawyer and if you were discriminated against because a female judge ignores your submissions solely because you are a male, is outright wrong and illegal.
But not so with swingers clubs.
For one, these are privately owned . But that's not enough of course - a pub is privately owned too. The pub is open to the public though. Swingers clubs may or may or may not be open to the public, in any event the club may restrict anyone at any time.
Whether there is a vetting proces in the sw club, still the owners have the final say who they will admit as a member or guest.
Secondly, people meet for the purposes of engaging in sexual activities (sorry for the lack of order, but no time to re-read the post..) . Whoever runs the club has to find the right balance for the visitors to enjoy their stay , because ultimately, having sex is the most personal and intimate matter of absolute choice that one can make.
Will law try to tell me that I have to accept to be surrounded by an army of single men while shagging in public, because , you see, the club is a public place? Or a beautiful single woman be surrounded by hoards of sperm shooting males while all she wants is to engage in some lesbian fun?
The law may be quite stupid at times ,but let's give credit after all, that we still have freedom to make many choiced in life without having a police officer tellings us how we fall foul of the law on every turn.
So, the club ascertains that having some ratio of men/women/ couples is best for everyone. Even for the single guys - otherwise, the club will be full of singles men only , hungry for a pussy, but no one to bee seen...
The club clearly has the right , because there is no law to prevent it, to impose different tiers of membership and /or different entry prices.
You can look at it this way:
Capacity 40 people. The club apportions 10 for each group ladies, men, couples.
10 couples at £25- filled in quickly.
10 single ladies at , say £10 - mmmm, only a couple of ladies respond. Well, let's try free entry then . Ok , a bit better, 7 or 8 may be. Not ideal , but at least someone will be coming. It is clear ')that Free for the ladies from now on.
10 for single guys? 100+ roar. Oh, well, shall we say £40? Damn, should have charged them £60, 10 guys in in less than 10min.
Simple economics of supply and demand.
We don't even have to go the Equality Act, if it were to apply, which I established, it doesn't, where there is a legitimate reasons defence, for example , and the above commercial reasons are a legitimate reason.
Another way of looking at the subject is:
Everyone pays in one way or another.
Women bring boobs, bums and pussies, shiny smiles , aroma and exitement...
Couples? The man brings a woman with the above..
Single guys - they bring a cock each. A cock??? You must be kidding ! Everyone can bring a dick. We have plenty of those already. So single guys have to contribute somehow . How? In cash .
Imagine this hypothetical scenario:
A town has got many women and a few men. Perhaps an open female prison is nearby.
A swingers club opens its doors. every night - 100 female inmates, cock hungry , hunting for a cock, but none yet.
So they feel just the way they are in the prison- women only, no men.
Will they go back to the club? What for? They pay good money to be there, but no point.
The club decides to reduce the price for men. A few machos poke their heads through the doors and are immeditely stripped off all clothing, smooched and you know what's next. Mixed feeling of lust, passion , shock and fear and being overwhelmed by the reception.
Doubtful if they will go back.
The clubs says - free entry for all men. Many more men attend the next time and things are ballanced out...
You see that just quoting the law doesn't help. The law has to be applied to the facts correctly. As I said, lawyers lose in court every day, Judges pronounce perverse judgments every day.
Many considerations have to be taken into account when one considers the legal provisions and practice.
As it stands at present, swingers clubs can charge as much as they want whoever they want and can reject anyone they want on whatever grounds they want without any chance for a successful court claim against them.
May it continue this way for generations to come!
All the best, you swingers! Play safe
You are bleating on about obscure laws so you can pretend you're Ton Cruise in "A few Good men" And missing the point. Even if it got thrown out of court, they still have to pay through the nose for legal expertise and that cost is worth it.
You can't tell have all the benefits of equality and none of the bad.
Actually, they, the club, won't have to pay a dime. The one who looses the case, will not only have to pay the club's legal costs and costs of their barrister, but will also have to pay all the court costs. The bill could run into tens of thousands of pounds"Doubt it. | |||
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"So what's it to be guys? 1) Complete equality of pricing and clubs just rammed with single guys, with a lady or couple once in a blue moon - and the assurance that it will shut in a few months time 2) Chaps are charged more, and you get a club with more ladies and couples Doesn't have to be only two choices.. A club can allocate say 200 tickets (or whatever club holds) and sell so many to couples and so many to singles..once gone all gone..fair pricing and the right mix.. Why should they do that? The present system works very, very well for the clubs, couples and single women" But not for older men, poorer men, gay men, bi men. Sad. At least you admit your selfishness. I suppose the wage gap is karma. | |||
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"So what's it to be guys? 1) Complete equality of pricing and clubs just rammed with single guys, with a lady or couple once in a blue moon - and the assurance that it will shut in a few months time 2) Chaps are charged more, and you get a club with more ladies and couples Doesn't have to be only two choices.. A club can allocate say 200 tickets (or whatever club holds) and sell so many to couples and so many to singles..once gone all gone..fair pricing and the right mix.. Why should they do that? The present system works very, very well for the clubs, couples and single women" But it doesn't work for single males..i was simply presenting another way. | |||
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"So what's it to be guys? 1) Complete equality of pricing and clubs just rammed with single guys, with a lady or couple once in a blue moon - and the assurance that it will shut in a few months time 2) Chaps are charged more, and you get a club with more ladies and couples Doesn't have to be only two choices.. A club can allocate say 200 tickets (or whatever club holds) and sell so many to couples and so many to singles..once gone all gone..fair pricing and the right mix.. Why should they do that? The present system works very, very well for the clubs, couples and single women But it doesn't work for single males..i was simply presenting another way." Fuck single males. That's the attitude of our society. Ever wonder why men kill themselves 5 times more often than women? No compassion or support. | |||
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"So how do gay couples fare in this scenario? Guess the male couple are charged for 2 x single males and the lesbian couple get in Free! Guess swingers clubs currently are hetero driven. I know some clubs would do that which is a disgrace!! We have male and female couples and all of them pay the couples price. The female couple do not pay female prices. A couple is a couple regardless of dynamic!! I hate it when clubs charge TGirls (who only ever attend as a Tgirl) as a single male!!!! "So good to hear a bit of fairness on the subject...Ax | |||
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" ... You are bleating on about obscure laws so you can pretend you're Ton Cruise in "A few Good men" And missing the point. Even if it got thrown out of court, they still have to pay through the nose for legal expertise and that cost is worth it. You can't tell have all the benefits of equality and none of the bad. Actually, they, the club, won't have to pay a dime. The one who looses the case, will not only have to pay the club's legal costs and costs of their barrister, but will also have to pay all the court costs. The bill could run into tens of thousands of pounds Doubt it. " You are welcome to doubt it as much as you like. But the loosing party is liable for all costs against the defendant. And as it stands the loosing party will probably have added costs as well for wasting the court's time at bringing such a flimsy claim forward | |||
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"So what's it to be guys? 1) Complete equality of pricing and clubs just rammed with single guys, with a lady or couple once in a blue moon - and the assurance that it will shut in a few months time 2) Chaps are charged more, and you get a club with more ladies and couples Doesn't have to be only two choices.. A club can allocate say 200 tickets (or whatever club holds) and sell so many to couples and so many to singles..once gone all gone..fair pricing and the right mix.. Why should they do that? The present system works very, very well for the clubs, couples and single women But not for older men, poorer men, gay men, bi men. Sad. At least you admit your selfishness. I suppose the wage gap is karma. " Nothing selfish about it. Single men are in abundance and as it is, too many attend clubs; fewer attending would be better | |||
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" ... You are bleating on about obscure laws so you can pretend you're Ton Cruise in "A few Good men" And missing the point. Even if it got thrown out of court, they still have to pay through the nose for legal expertise and that cost is worth it. You can't tell have all the benefits of equality and none of the bad. Actually, they, the club, won't have to pay a dime. The one who looses the case, will not only have to pay the club's legal costs and costs of their barrister, but will also have to pay all the court costs. The bill could run into tens of thousands of pounds Doubt it. You are welcome to doubt it as much as you like. But the loosing party is liable for all costs against the defendant. And as it stands the loosing party will probably have added costs as well for wasting the court's time at bringing such a flimsy claim forward" The lawyer on the forum disagrees. | |||
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"I give up with fab. What has happened to women in 2017. Misandrist and horrible." Does that mean you are leaving? Or is that just a big girls strop you are having for attention because some ladies are having fun? | |||
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" ... You are bleating on about obscure laws so you can pretend you're Ton Cruise in "A few Good men" And missing the point. Even if it got thrown out of court, they still have to pay through the nose for legal expertise and that cost is worth it. You can't tell have all the benefits of equality and none of the bad. Actually, they, the club, won't have to pay a dime. The one who looses the case, will not only have to pay the club's legal costs and costs of their barrister, but will also have to pay all the court costs. The bill could run into tens of thousands of pounds Doubt it. You are welcome to doubt it as much as you like. But the loosing party is liable for all costs against the defendant. And as it stands the loosing party will probably have added costs as well for wasting the court's time at bringing such a flimsy claim forward The lawyer on the forum disagrees. " The lawyer next to me, agrees | |||
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"So what's it to be guys? 1) Complete equality of pricing and clubs just rammed with single guys, with a lady or couple once in a blue moon - and the assurance that it will shut in a few months time 2) Chaps are charged more, and you get a club with more ladies and couples Doesn't have to be only two choices.. A club can allocate say 200 tickets (or whatever club holds) and sell so many to couples and so many to singles..once gone all gone..fair pricing and the right mix.. Why should they do that? The present system works very, very well for the clubs, couples and single women But not for older men, poorer men, gay men, bi men. Sad. At least you admit your selfishness. I suppose the wage gap is karma. Nothing selfish about it. Single men are in abundance and as it is, too many attend clubs; fewer attending would be better" Maybe to you but I've seen other opinions held. You are not the only one who matters, insane as you may find that. | |||
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" ... You are bleating on about obscure laws so you can pretend you're Ton Cruise in "A few Good men" And missing the point. Even if it got thrown out of court, they still have to pay through the nose for legal expertise and that cost is worth it. You can't tell have all the benefits of equality and none of the bad. Actually, they, the club, won't have to pay a dime. The one who looses the case, will not only have to pay the club's legal costs and costs of their barrister, but will also have to pay all the court costs. The bill could run into tens of thousands of pounds Doubt it. You are welcome to doubt it as much as you like. But the loosing party is liable for all costs against the defendant. And as it stands the loosing party will probably have added costs as well for wasting the court's time at bringing such a flimsy claim forward The lawyer on the forum disagrees. The lawyer next to me, agrees "......no one will ever have the guts to take it to court. Those that shout the most are full of hot air and have probably never even set foot inside a club. | |||
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"... Doesn't have to be only two choices.. A club can allocate say 200 tickets (or whatever club holds) and sell so many to couples and so many to singles..once gone all gone..fair pricing and the right mix.. Why should they do that? The present system works very, very well for the clubs, couples and single women But not for older men, poorer men, gay men, bi men. Sad. At least you admit your selfishness. I suppose the wage gap is karma. Nothing selfish about it. Single men are in abundance and as it is, too many attend clubs; fewer attending would be better Maybe to you but I've seen other opinions held. You are not the only one who matters, insane as you may find that." Conversely, I have seen other couples who hold the same opinion as me. You are not the only one who matters, insane as you many find that | |||
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" ... You are bleating on about obscure laws so you can pretend you're Ton Cruise in "A few Good men" And missing the point. Even if it got thrown out of court, they still have to pay through the nose for legal expertise and that cost is worth it. You can't tell have all the benefits of equality and none of the bad. Actually, they, the club, won't have to pay a dime. The one who looses the case, will not only have to pay the club's legal costs and costs of their barrister, but will also have to pay all the court costs. The bill could run into tens of thousands of pounds Doubt it. You are welcome to doubt it as much as you like. But the loosing party is liable for all costs against the defendant. And as it stands the loosing party will probably have added costs as well for wasting the court's time at bringing such a flimsy claim forward The lawyer on the forum disagrees. The lawyer next to me, agrees "Well give him a wank for being such a good wittle boy. | |||
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"... Doesn't have to be only two choices.. A club can allocate say 200 tickets (or whatever club holds) and sell so many to couples and so many to singles..once gone all gone..fair pricing and the right mix.. Why should they do that? The present system works very, very well for the clubs, couples and single women But not for older men, poorer men, gay men, bi men. Sad. At least you admit your selfishness. I suppose the wage gap is karma. Nothing selfish about it. Single men are in abundance and as it is, too many attend clubs; fewer attending would be better Maybe to you but I've seen other opinions held. You are not the only one who matters, insane as you may find that. Conversely, I have seen other couples who hold the same opinion as me. You are not the only one who matters, insane as you many find that" Couples make up less numbers than single people. Well done for showing your bias. And do try and be origional. | |||
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" ... You are bleating on about obscure laws so you can pretend you're Ton Cruise in "A few Good men" And missing the point. Even if it got thrown out of court, they still have to pay through the nose for legal expertise and that cost is worth it. You can't tell have all the benefits of equality and none of the bad. Actually, they, the club, won't have to pay a dime. The one who looses the case, will not only have to pay the club's legal costs and costs of their barrister, but will also have to pay all the court costs. The bill could run into tens of thousands of pounds Doubt it. You are welcome to doubt it as much as you like. But the loosing party is liable for all costs against the defendant. And as it stands the loosing party will probably have added costs as well for wasting the court's time at bringing such a flimsy claim forward The lawyer on the forum disagrees. The lawyer next to me, agrees
......no one will ever have the guts to take it to court. Those that shout the most are full of hot air and have probably never even set foot inside a club."
The fact is that it is market economics. Nite-clubs in the West End here also have similar pricing. Free or reduced entry for women before, say, 11 pm. They know that the men will only attend if the women do and they need to provide that incentive
Wherever gender plays a role in attracting customers, women will be given preference as there are so few who would attend swingers clubs anyway
Those who bleat on about equality should open their own club and charge the same for everyone. I guarantee they will be out of business in a couple of months and lumbered with a enormous debt | |||
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" ... You are bleating on about obscure laws so you can pretend you're Ton Cruise in "A few Good men" And missing the point. Even if it got thrown out of court, they still have to pay through the nose for legal expertise and that cost is worth it. You can't tell have all the benefits of equality and none of the bad. Actually, they, the club, won't have to pay a dime. The one who looses the case, will not only have to pay the club's legal costs and costs of their barrister, but will also have to pay all the court costs. The bill could run into tens of thousands of pounds Doubt it. You are welcome to doubt it as much as you like. But the loosing party is liable for all costs against the defendant. And as it stands the loosing party will probably have added costs as well for wasting the court's time at bringing such a flimsy claim forward The lawyer on the forum disagrees. The lawyer next to me, agrees
......no one will ever have the guts to take it to court. Those that shout the most are full of hot air and have probably never even set foot inside a club.
The fact is that it is market economics. Nite-clubs in the West End here also have similar pricing. Free or reduced entry for women before, say, 11 pm. They know that the men will only attend if the women do and they need to provide that incentive
Wherever gender plays a role in attracting customers, women will be given preference as there are so few who would attend swingers clubs anyway
Those who bleat on about equality should open their own club and charge the same for everyone. I guarantee they will be out of business in a couple of months and lumbered with a enormous debt"Do you complain about the wage gap? Or is the just the whims of the market too? | |||
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"... Couples make up less numbers than single people. Well done for showing your bias. And do try and be origional." Really??? I can assure you that at most swingers clubs on a Saturday night, couples are the majority with single women as the minority. Single men are not even requested to attend and the club survives financially just nicely by the couples and the few single women attending | |||
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" ... You are bleating on about obscure laws so you can pretend you're Ton Cruise in "A few Good men" And missing the point. Even if it got thrown out of court, they still have to pay through the nose for legal expertise and that cost is worth it. You can't tell have all the benefits of equality and none of the bad. Actually, they, the club, won't have to pay a dime. The one who looses the case, will not only have to pay the club's legal costs and costs of their barrister, but will also have to pay all the court costs. The bill could run into tens of thousands of pounds Doubt it. You are welcome to doubt it as much as you like. But the loosing party is liable for all costs against the defendant. And as it stands the loosing party will probably have added costs as well for wasting the court's time at bringing such a flimsy claim forward The lawyer on the forum disagrees. The lawyer next to me, agrees
......no one will ever have the guts to take it to court. Those that shout the most are full of hot air and have probably never even set foot inside a club.
The fact is that it is market economics. Nite-clubs in the West End here also have similar pricing. Free or reduced entry for women before, say, 11 pm. They know that the men will only attend if the women do and they need to provide that incentive
Wherever gender plays a role in attracting customers, women will be given preference as there are so few who would attend swingers clubs anyway
Those who bleat on about equality should open their own club and charge the same for everyone. I guarantee they will be out of business in a couple of months and lumbered with a enormous debt"Not if you market it right.. Sounds like you are justifying the greed and unfairness of it.. | |||
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"... You are welcome to doubt it as much as you like. But the loosing party is liable for all costs against the defendant. And as it stands the loosing party will probably have added costs as well for wasting the court's time at bringing such a flimsy claim forward The lawyer on the forum disagrees. The lawyer next to me, agrees
......no one will ever have the guts to take it to court. Those that shout the most are full of hot air and have probably never even set foot inside a club.
The fact is that it is market economics. Nite-clubs in the West End here also have similar pricing. Free or reduced entry for women before, say, 11 pm. They know that the men will only attend if the women do and they need to provide that incentive
Wherever gender plays a role in attracting customers, women will be given preference as there are so few who would attend swingers clubs anyway
Those who bleat on about equality should open their own club and charge the same for everyone. I guarantee they will be out of business in a couple of months and lumbered with a enormous debt
Not if you market it right..
Sounds like you are justifying the greed and unfairness of it.."OK, lets see you market it right. We will assume that you know more about running a swingers club than most of the successful and established clubs here | |||
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"... You are welcome to doubt it as much as you like. But the loosing party is liable for all costs against the defendant. And as it stands the loosing party will probably have added costs as well for wasting the court's time at bringing such a flimsy claim forward The lawyer on the forum disagrees. The lawyer next to me, agrees
......no one will ever have the guts to take it to court. Those that shout the most are full of hot air and have probably never even set foot inside a club.
The fact is that it is market economics. Nite-clubs in the West End here also have similar pricing. Free or reduced entry for women before, say, 11 pm. They know that the men will only attend if the women do and they need to provide that incentive
Wherever gender plays a role in attracting customers, women will be given preference as there are so few who would attend swingers clubs anyway
Those who bleat on about equality should open their own club and charge the same for everyone. I guarantee they will be out of business in a couple of months and lumbered with a enormous debt
Not if you market it right..
Sounds like you are justifying the greed and unfairness of it..
OK, lets see you market it right. We will assume that you know more about running a swingers club than most of the successful and established clubs here"The single male tickets sold in advance on a first come first served basis..and the rest follows.. | |||
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"... You are welcome to doubt it as much as you like. But the loosing party is liable for all costs against the defendant. And as it stands the loosing party will probably have added costs as well for wasting the court's time at bringing such a flimsy claim forward The lawyer on the forum disagrees. The lawyer next to me, agrees
......no one will ever have the guts to take it to court. Those that shout the most are full of hot air and have probably never even set foot inside a club.
The fact is that it is market economics. Nite-clubs in the West End here also have similar pricing. Free or reduced entry for women before, say, 11 pm. They know that the men will only attend if the women do and they need to provide that incentive
Wherever gender plays a role in attracting customers, women will be given preference as there are so few who would attend swingers clubs anyway
Those who bleat on about equality should open their own club and charge the same for everyone. I guarantee they will be out of business in a couple of months and lumbered with a enormous debt
Not if you market it right..
Sounds like you are justifying the greed and unfairness of it..
OK, lets see you market it right. We will assume that you know more about running a swingers club than most of the successful and established clubs here"Guess you can't answer the wage gap question. I'm not interacting with you anymore. Last post. You feel empowered by Misandry. | |||
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"... ... ......no one will ever have the guts to take it to court. Those that shout the most are full of hot air and have probably never even set foot inside a club.
The fact is that it is market economics. Nite-clubs in the West End here also have similar pricing. Free or reduced entry for women before, say, 11 pm. They know that the men will only attend if the women do and they need to provide that incentive
Wherever gender plays a role in attracting customers, women will be given preference as there are so few who would attend swingers clubs anyway
Those who bleat on about equality should open their own club and charge the same for everyone. I guarantee they will be out of business in a couple of months and lumbered with a enormous debt
Not if you market it right..
Sounds like you are justifying the greed and unfairness of it..
OK, lets see you market it right. We will assume that you know more about running a swingers club than most of the successful and established clubs here
The single male tickets sold in advance on a first come first served basis..and the rest follows..
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"... You are welcome to doubt it as much as you like. But the loosing party is liable for all costs against the defendant. And as it stands the loosing party will probably have added costs as well for wasting the court's time at bringing such a flimsy claim forward The lawyer on the forum disagrees. The lawyer next to me, agrees
......no one will ever have the guts to take it to court. Those that shout the most are full of hot air and have probably never even set foot inside a club.
The fact is that it is market economics. Nite-clubs in the West End here also have similar pricing. Free or reduced entry for women before, say, 11 pm. They know that the men will only attend if the women do and they need to provide that incentive
Wherever gender plays a role in attracting customers, women will be given preference as there are so few who would attend swingers clubs anyway
Those who bleat on about equality should open their own club and charge the same for everyone. I guarantee they will be out of business in a couple of months and lumbered with a enormous debt
Not if you market it right..
Sounds like you are justifying the greed and unfairness of it..
OK, lets see you market it right. We will assume that you know more about running a swingers club than most of the successful and established clubs here
Guess you can't answer the wage gap question.
I'm not interacting with you anymore. Last post. You feel empowered by Misandry.
"Misandry??? We pay three times more than a single woman. At Killing Kittens, we pay four times more than single women. We are not the ones complaining; you are | |||
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"You are welcome to doubt it as much as you like. But the loosing party is liable for all costs against the defendant. And as it stands the loosing party will probably have added costs as well for wasting the court's time at bringing such a flimsy claim forward" Sorry to be a bit anal here lol - but if there really was a Lawyer sat there with you or any place else in this discussion he/she would have told you that it's the presiding judge that awards the costs at the end of the case following the decision of the court - which isn't always the losing party - often they can be split or paid for by the complainant even if they win - just saying lol. | |||
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"You are welcome to doubt it as much as you like. But the loosing party is liable for all costs against the defendant. And as it stands the loosing party will probably have added costs as well for wasting the court's time at bringing such a flimsy claim forward Sorry to be a bit anal here lol - but if there really was a Lawyer sat there with you or any place else in this discussion he/she would have told you that it's the presiding judge that awards the costs at the end of the case following the decision of the court - which isn't always the losing party - often they can be split or paid for by the complainant even if they win - just saying lol. "Not if the case brought to court had little chance of success, as it would in this instance A heterosexual couple just lost their case for them to be treated equally as a homosexual couple and be allowed to enter into a Civil Partnership. They cited the Equalities Act | |||
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" OK, lets see you market it right. We will assume that you know more about running a swingers club than most of the successful and established clubs here The single male tickets sold in advance on a first come first served basis..and the rest follows.. " ..... and i can almost guarentee the next whinge from the next single guy will go like this... "but i can only arrange my life on a short basis, and all the tickets in advance have gone!!!!" or... if you then say leave some for on the night... you will get "well i travelled miles only to find those tickets have gone!" the problem is you are never going to please everyone...... you may not like what i am about to say.. but at the moment the system in the main does work.... there is a bit of "envy politics going on here" if you want to compare the price of what you paid for a ticket compared to someone else, never strike up that convo on a train, or a plane, because you are going to be disappointed!!! i compare my price as to what i would be doing on a night out at the same time instead.... | |||
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"Not if the case brought to court had little chance of success, as it would in this instance" Actually. oddly enough a complainant has to seek 'access' to bring a case to a court. They are not just given space in a Q and asked to wait in line. The court weighs the relative chance of success and ability to pay should he (the royal he) win or lose. You seem to be missing the 'Private Members Club' part of this discussion. And just because you are ignoring it doesn't make it go away lol "A heterosexual couple just lost their case for them to be treated equally as a homosexual couple and be allowed to enter into a Civil Partnership. They cited the Equalities Act" ^^ I have no Idea why you are telling me this? | |||
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" ... You are bleating on about obscure laws so you can pretend you're Ton Cruise in "A few Good men" And missing the point. Even if it got thrown out of court, they still have to pay through the nose for legal expertise and that cost is worth it. " 'Obscure laws'??? Are you just falling off Mars or what. The Equality Act 2010 and the preceding legislation is some of the most important and widely known pieces of law of recent times. That is, unless you live in a cave of course. So your point is, that a club will cough up whatever a single male and their uneducated or outright cheeky lawyer demands, just so to avoid legal costs, instead of having an easy win? Surely this isn't the point of this thread, in case you failed to realise, and even more certainly, the law as outlined in my lengthy post focuses on equality and justice, not on cost liability. Another member explained all too well who would foot the parties' bill eventuality.It comes from Civil Procedure Rules 1998 as amended. As far as ToN Cruise (sic) is concerned, thanks, but I'm better than that... | |||
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"... ... ......no one will ever have the guts to take it to court. Those that shout the most are full of hot air and have probably never even set foot inside a club.
The fact is that it is market economics. Nite-clubs in the West End here also have similar pricing. Free or reduced entry for women before, say, 11 pm. They know that the men will only attend if the women do and they need to provide that incentive
Wherever gender plays a role in attracting customers, women will be given preference as there are so few who would attend swingers clubs anyway
Those who bleat on about equality should open their own club and charge the same for everyone. I guarantee they will be out of business in a couple of months and lumbered with a enormous debt
Not if you market it right..
Sounds like you are justifying the greed and unfairness of it..
OK, lets see you market it right. We will assume that you know more about running a swingers club than most of the successful and established clubs here
The single male tickets sold in advance on a first come first served basis..and the rest follows..
OK, do it and do suggest it to other club owners too. Let us know how your club fares and whether the other club owners took your suggestion. And if they didn't then why didn't they"It is rather like bookmakers..they stick together..no one dare take the risk of offering better odds as they would all have to follow. I am not arguing with you, just saying a sense of fairness could come into play.. Couldn't really give a site if they charged £200 for single men.I am saying it doesn't have to be like that. | |||
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"Not if the case brought to court had little chance of success, as it would in this instance Actually. oddly enough a complainant has to seek 'access' to bring a case to a court. They are not just given space in a Q and asked to wait in line. The court weighs the relative chance of success and ability to pay should he (the royal he) win or lose. You seem to be missing the 'Private Members Club' part of this discussion. And just because you are ignoring it doesn't make it go away lol A heterosexual couple just lost their case for them to be treated equally as a homosexual couple and be allowed to enter into a Civil Partnership. They cited the Equalities Act ^^ I have no Idea why you are telling me this? "The case had no chance of success under the Equalities Act just as a case will have no chance of success against a private members only swinging club where gender is the driving force. It would be similar to women bring a case against a private members only Men's club (I don't know if these still exist). The key is, 'private, members only' club | |||
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" ... You are bleating on about obscure laws so you can pretend you're Ton Cruise in "A few Good men" And missing the point. Even if it got thrown out of court, they still have to pay through the nose for legal expertise and that cost is worth it. 'Obscure laws'??? Are you just falling off Mars or what. The Equality Act 2010 and the preceding legislation is some of the most important and widely known pieces of law of recent times. That is, unless you live in a cave of course. So your point is, that a club will cough up whatever a single male and their uneducated or outright cheeky lawyer demands, just so to avoid legal costs, instead of having an easy win? Surely this isn't the point of this thread, in case you failed to realise, and even more certainly, the law as outlined in my lengthy post focuses on equality and justice, not on cost liability. Another member explained all too well who would foot the parties' bill eventuality.It comes from Civil Procedure Rules 1998 as amended. As far as ToN Cruise (sic) is concerned, thanks, but I'm better than that... " I skim through, I usually do with verbiage. | |||
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"The case had no chance of success under the Equalities Act just as a case will have no chance of success against a private members only swinging club where gender is the driving force. It would be similar to women bring a case against a private members only Men's club (I don't know if these still exist). The key is, 'private, members only' club" It appears to me that we agree lol. Case dismissed. Cat X | |||
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" OK, lets see you market it right. We will assume that you know more about running a swingers club than most of the successful and established clubs here The single male tickets sold in advance on a first come first served basis..and the rest follows.. ..... and i can almost guarentee the next whinge from the next single guy will go like this... "but i can only arrange my life on a short basis, and all the tickets in advance have gone!!!!" or... if you then say leave some for on the night... you will get "well i travelled miles only to find those tickets have gone!" the problem is you are never going to please everyone...... you may not like what i am about to say.. but at the moment the system in the main does work.... there is a bit of "envy politics going on here" if you want to compare the price of what you paid for a ticket compared to someone else, never strike up that convo on a train, or a plane, because you are going to be disappointed!!! i compare my price as to what i would be doing on a night out at the same time instead.... "
We know that we have to pay a lot more than a single woman in a swingers club. And we have to pay more than a single woman in a nite-club. That is how it is and it works well
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"You are welcome to doubt it as much as you like. But the loosing party is liable for all costs against the defendant. And as it stands the loosing party will probably have added costs as well for wasting the court's time at bringing such a flimsy claim forward Sorry to be a bit anal here lol - but if there really was a Lawyer sat there with you or any place else in this discussion he/she would have told you that it's the presiding judge that awards the costs at the end of the case following the decision of the court - which isn't always the losing party - often they can be split or paid for by the complainant even if they win - just saying lol. "Yes you are being anal here but also correct in some instances. There are 3 tracks for claims with different cost rules. Small, Fast and Multi. Small track is no cost awarded as a rule but even then there are occasions when the judge may award costs. It's again in the CPR. A case of such magnitute, about discrimination, is likely to be worth a significant sum and will be on a Multi track. There will be a separate hearing for legal costs following the main trial. | |||
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" Now, if we had to pay more than another male-female couple, then we will be complaining" If it's a swingers club complaining won't take you anywhere. The club can charge as they please. Even based on a your weight, looks, hair do, teeth left in your mouth.... | |||
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" Actually. oddly enough a complainant has to seek 'access' to bring a case to a court. They are not just given space in a Q and asked to wait in line. The court weighs the relative chance of success and ability to pay should he (the royal he) win or lose. "I suppose you are getting confused with Appeal following a lower court's decision. To lodge a Claim the Claimant doesn't need the Court's permission. | |||
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" ... You are bleating on about obscure laws so you can pretend you're Ton Cruise in "A few Good men" And missing the point. Even if it got thrown out of court, they still have to pay through the nose for legal expertise and that cost is worth it. You can't tell have all the benefits of equality and none of the bad. Actually, they, the club, won't have to pay a dime. The one who looses the case, will not only have to pay the club's legal costs and costs of their barrister, but will also have to pay all the court costs. The bill could run into tens of thousands of pounds Doubt it. You are welcome to doubt it as much as you like. But the loosing party is liable for all costs against the defendant. And as it stands the loosing party will probably have added costs as well for wasting the court's time at bringing such a flimsy claim forward The lawyer on the forum disagrees. The lawyer next to me, agrees
......no one will ever have the guts to take it to court. Those that shout the most are full of hot air and have probably never even set foot inside a club.
The fact is that it is market economics. Nite-clubs in the West End here also have similar pricing. Free or reduced entry for women before, say, 11 pm. They know that the men will only attend if the women do and they need to provide that incentive
Wherever gender plays a role in attracting customers, women will be given preference as there are so few who would attend swingers clubs anyway
Those who bleat on about equality should open their own club and charge the same for everyone. I guarantee they will be out of business in a couple of months and lumbered with a enormous debt"Exactly!! Either open their own club or take it to court. I doubt they will do either. Obviously more productive to whine about it on a sex site forum. | |||
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"Whoever the person is in this thread who claims to be a lawyer, he clearly isn't a very good one. Perhaps he should look at Section 158 of the Equality Act and the code of practive before making the assertions that he does about successful disrimination claims against swingers clubs. You only need to look at what is said on this site about the number of single men in clubs, compared with couples or single females, let alone go to a club yourself to see that to be true for yourself. So clearly the defence of "participation in an activity by persons who share a protected characteristic is disproportionately low." is made out. The Equality act: "does not prohibit (the swingers club) from taking any action which is a proportionate means of achieving the aim of— enabling or encouraging persons who share the protected characteristic to participate in that activity. Reducing the membership fee for couples or single females is a proportionate means in the case of a swingers club, because what else can they do? Advertise? Really? Hold an Open Day? Seriously? So please, no more rubbish legal arguments. You are wrong at law. The law is on the side of the clubs, and any challenge would fail because of Section 158. He might also want to consider whether a swingers club " There is more than one way to skin a cat. You speak about the law as if was ordained by Yahweh. We all see the court get thing badly badly wrong sometimes. ANYTHING can happen. I know it doesn't bother any of you. Defending misandrists is a common factor of trying to impress women. Do one. | |||
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" Now, if we had to pay more than another male-female couple, then we will be complaining If it's a swingers club complaining won't take you anywhere. The club can charge as they please. Even based on a your weight, looks, hair do, teeth left in your mouth.... "
True; you are correct
Good job I still have 20 teeth left
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