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By *rfun OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

Anyone noticed more clubs wanting face pics to choose if you can attend. Talk about elitism.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Anyone noticed more clubs wanting face pics to choose if you can attend. Talk about elitism."

No. Never heard of this. Which clubs?

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By *rfun OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"Anyone noticed more clubs wanting face pics to choose if you can attend. Talk about elitism.

No. Never heard of this. Which clubs?"
at least one in the South east that's mentioned on here for starters

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Clubs like Killing Kittens and similar have some very stringent admission policies. they also charge a lot for entry, so are not exactly the every day sort of swingers clubs.

Each to their own, but I wouldn't even bother wasting mine or their time by sending a pic.

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple over a year ago

Bristol

Saw one year's ago, never got a response pretty sure I was too fat

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By *ngel_screwballCouple over a year ago

Birmingham

Normally private events, sometimes in clubs, find it all rather pretentious. Some sort of power thing that makes them feel special lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Are these actual clubs,or more like privately organised parties ??

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By *picyminxWoman over a year ago

Huntingdon

"Anyone noticed more clubs wanting face pics to choose if you can attend. Talk about elitism."

Im sure it would more likely be for safety/security rather than elitism.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are these actual clubs,or more like privately organised parties ??

Private parties I can totally understand. Their parties. Their rules.

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By *rfun OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"Are these actual clubs,or more like privately organised parties ??

Private parties I can totally understand. Their parties. Their rules. "
nope one club has full frontal pic needed for single guys another is posting that single guys need to send face pic and then wait to see if make the cut. These places will come crawling when cpls all get bored ans guys should avoid to see the clubs go bust but they won't.

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By *rfun OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"Normally private events, sometimes in clubs, find it all rather pretentious. Some sort of power thing that makes them feel special lol"
yep and this is from the clubs own site which is linked off Fabs "up to date photo from waist upwards (nude photos will not be necessary) and a few words about yourselves (this will help towards a successful application) ".... a certain country is excluding based on ethnicity and the whole is in up roar. So why are Fab supporting this ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We are members of the club in the south East that required photos and photo ID. It's why we joined. We value the requirements and because it adds a level of safety.

It definitely isn't going bus btw, it's full of people that have uploaded photos and provided ID

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Normally private events, sometimes in clubs, find it all rather pretentious. Some sort of power thing that makes them feel special lol yep and this is from the clubs own site which is linked off Fabs "up to date photo from waist upwards (nude photos will not be necessary) and a few words about yourselves (this will help towards a successful application) ".... a certain country is excluding based on ethnicity and the whole is in up roar. So why are Fab supporting this ?"

Who says Fab is supporting this? Does it have 'endorsed by Fab' on their webpage?

Fab is a tool, nothing more. It is up to us whether we support these things.

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By *ilk_TreMan over a year ago

Wherever the party is!

"I don't care to belong to any club that will have me as a member"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are these actual clubs,or more like privately organised parties ??

Private parties I can totally understand. Their parties. Their rules. nope one club has full frontal pic needed for single guys another is posting that single guys need to send face pic and then wait to see if make the cut. These places will come crawling when cpls all get bored ans guys should avoid to see the clubs go bust but they won't."

But by ensuring they have more attractive single men than other clubs will they not be mote appealing to couples and single women

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are these actual clubs,or more like privately organised parties ??

But by ensuring they have more attractive single men than other clubs will they not be mote appealing to couples and single women"

I doubt a club who vets singLe men would go bust. In fact it would be a bonus for couples and single fems to have attractive single men. Those clubs that let any single males in (especially the pissed up after pubs shut mentality) are the ones that will be less attractive to genuine swingers.

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By *oiretblancCouple over a year ago

London

Quite a few clubs ask for photos when applying for membership, it isn't unusual and I don't believe there is anything pretentious about it. They need to see that you are old enough to join the club, that you are who you say you are and that you match the description that you give about yourself.

We all know from experience how often our fellow swingers can be less than honest about themselves - so a photo would seem like a good idea!

I think I know the club you are referring to and would strongly disagree about any discrimination - particularly based on ethnicity.

I have found this club to be the most welcoming, friendly and professionally run of any I have been to.

And as for excluding anyone based on their ethnicity - well I am a black woman and simply wouldn't go anywhere near a club that did that.

Single guys often complain that they are treated badly by clubs, but they have to understand that if a club is full of single guys then it can make it very uncomfortable for other members - such as couples and single women.

In order to keep a balance some guys are inevitably going to have their membership applications rejected.

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By *aeBabeWoman over a year ago

London

"Anyone noticed more clubs wanting face pics to choose if you can attend. Talk about elitism."

It's not really about elitism, it's more of a safety element. I would much prefer visiting clubs that did this than ones that did not.

If a club member, whether single man, woman or a couple were acting up in way that would deem them to have their membership revoked, it would be easier to remember who they were.

Vetting isn't such a bad idea when it comes to safety for all people involved.

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By *aydeesclubCouple over a year ago

Bedfordshire

In our club called Jaydees we have just started to make sure that we have every guys id before they come along due to some of the disrespectful behaviour of some of the guys that were turning up.

We used to go by verifications but found that unsuccessful, now by asking for their id beforehand we have managed to only get the nice respectful guys coming through our door. These are guys of any ethnicity, or size or looks. Some people might have the looks but its not always about the looks its the person inside that makes someone who they are, the nicer and funnier and friendlier someone is the better.

I.d. also discourages bad behaviour.

We also ask for couples and single ladies id too as we have had a couple of problems with couples. So its not just single guys.

Now we don't get any problems so although membership is a right pain in the backside it is also very good for the safety of all our members.

We hope this helps love Jaydee and Tracy xxx

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By *redfreddyMan over a year ago

Valencia

"In our club called Jaydees we have just started to make sure that we have every guys id before they come along due to some of the disrespectful behaviour of some of the guys that were turning up.

I.d. also discourages bad behaviour.

We also ask for couples and single ladies id too as we have had a couple of problems with couples. So its not just single guys.

Now we don't get any problems so although membership is a right pain in the backside it is also very good for the safety of all our members.

We hope this helps love Jaydee and Tracy xxx"

Completely agree with this, and as a single guy, I have no problem with providing a face pic for safety/verification. It's just common sense.

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By *rfun OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

I have no issue with face pic its the body pic from waste up which is clearly picking on looks and discriminating

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By *redfreddyMan over a year ago

Valencia

"I have no issue with face pic its the body pic from waste up which is clearly picking on looks and discriminating"

I have no problem with that either.

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By *redfreddyMan over a year ago

Valencia

We all discriminate against people's photos when we look at their profiles. Either for or against.

If you don't like it, find a club that wants you, or set up you're own.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We went to a club where they asked for face pics for the purpose of seeing if you made the cut. They would turn you down if your face and fab photos weren't good enough. We liked this though as it was the hottest club we've been to.

It's not about discrimination or anything, it's just nice to meet people who are similar ages and styles etc to yourself.

H x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have no issue with face pic its the body pic from waste up which is clearly picking on looks and discriminating"

It's all about attraction at the end of the day believe it or not.

H x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sadly its a sign of the times now. A lot of people are obsessed with beauty etc. I went back up to newcastle a while back and out was fake team and designer clothes everywhere. If i had to give a body shot pic before i could attend a club with Mrs I would never be allowed in as i carry extra weight. No fun for fatty it seems

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By *nnie05Woman over a year ago

Heaven

"In our club called Jaydees we have just started to make sure that we have every guys id before they come along due to some of the disrespectful behaviour of some of the guys that were turning up.

I.d. also discourages bad behaviour.

We also ask for couples and single ladies id too as we have had a couple of problems with couples. So its not just single guys.

Now we don't get any problems so although membership is a right pain in the backside it is also very good for the safety of all our members.

We hope this helps love Jaydee and Tracy xxx"

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By *he PlaygroundsCouple over a year ago

Somewhere Over The Rainbow

"In our club called Jaydees we have just started to make sure that we have every guys id before they come along due to some of the disrespectful behaviour of some of the guys that were turning up.

I.d. also discourages bad behaviour.

We also ask for couples and single ladies id too as we have had a couple of problems with couples. So its not just single guys.

Now we don't get any problems so although membership is a right pain in the backside it is also very good for the safety of all our members.

We hope this helps love Jaydee and Tracy xxx"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In our club called Jaydees we have just started to make sure that we have every guys id before they come along due to some of the disrespectful behaviour of some of the guys that were turning up.

I.d. also discourages bad behaviour.

We also ask for couples and single ladies id too as we have had a couple of problems with couples. So its not just single guys.

Now we don't get any problems so although membership is a right pain in the backside it is also very good for the safety of all our members.

We hope this helps love Jaydee and Tracy xxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Anyone noticed more clubs wanting face pics to choose if you can attend. Talk about elitism."

Yes I did an example is le boudoir,asks for a recent picture !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sadly its a sign of the times now. A lot of people are obsessed with beauty etc. I went back up to newcastle a while back and out was fake team and designer clothes everywhere. If i had to give a body shot pic before i could attend a club with Mrs I would never be allowed in as i carry extra weight. No fun for fatty it seems"

Obsessed with beauty?

Maybe people just like to fuck people they're attracted to??

Dont see anything wrong with vetting of any kind. For safety, looks or behaviour. Swinging is not a charity and being selective is not discrimination.

I have seen a lot of people complain that they felt that they simoply were not attracted to people who went to many clubs...like it or not, people will desire people of a certain look when looking for the thing looks is probably one of the most important factors, NSA sex.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A face pic for security reasons wouldn't be a problem.

A full nude or waist up we just wouldn't go, Shaz likes to pick her own guys to have fun with not play with guys a club thinks she might like

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A face pic for security reasons wouldn't be a problem.

A full nude or waist up we just wouldn't go, Shaz likes to pick her own guys to have fun with not play with guys a club thinks she might like

Does anyone else find it weird when one half of a couples profile speaks for the other.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Obsessed with beauty?

Maybe people just like to fuck people they're attracted to??

Dont see anything wrong with vetting of any kind. For safety, looks or behaviour. Swinging is not a charity and being selective is not discrimination.

Exactly! It's nice when clubs only allow a certain kind of person in because it is about attraction at the end of the day.

H x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You mean passport IDs!? Nothing wrong with that at all. In fact it's a good idea, especially if it prevents groups of marauding disrespectful idiots ruining it for everyone else.

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By *aeBabeWoman over a year ago

London

Obsessed with beauty?

Maybe people just like to fuck people they're attracted to??

Dont see anything wrong with vetting of any kind. For safety, looks or behaviour. Swinging is not a charity and being selective is not discrimination.

Funny you say that superfreak, as I distinctly remember you telling me on my post that vetting single men (single women and couples) for my socials, which then went onto a club after was something you frowned upon.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

The Wild Wetness

"A face pic for security reasons wouldn't be a problem.

A full nude or waist up we just wouldn't go, Shaz likes to pick her own guys to have fun with not play with guys a club thinks she might like

Does anyone else find it weird when one half of a couples profile speaks for the other.

Not at all. We are not always on here at the same time. We often speak for each other. I trust my partner to make financial decisions for us both, decisions about our children, decisions about many things and visa versa. So representing my views on a swingers forum is hardly a biggie.

It what some couples do they communicate and understand each other intimately. If I was not sure then I would not say anything.

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By *aeBabeWoman over a year ago

London

"A face pic for security reasons wouldn't be a problem.

A full nude or waist up we just wouldn't go, Shaz likes to pick her own guys to have fun with not play with guys a club thinks she might like

Does anyone else find it weird when one half of a couples profile speaks for the other.

It what some couples do they communicate and understand each other intimately. If I was not sure then I would not say anything.

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By *imetoexplore69Couple over a year ago

Aberdeen

"A face pic for security reasons wouldn't be a problem.

A full nude or waist up we just wouldn't go, Shaz likes to pick her own guys to have fun with not play with guys a club thinks she might like

Does anyone else find it weird when one half of a couples profile speaks for the other.

It what some couples do they communicate and understand each other intimately. If I was not sure then I would not say anything.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Obsessed with beauty?

Maybe people just like to fuck people they're attracted to??

Dont see anything wrong with vetting of any kind. For safety, looks or behaviour. Swinging is not a charity and being selective is not discrimination.

Yeah...nah. I didnt say that at all but thanks for putting words into my mouth

I said dont expect many men to turn up to a social which simply dont have the same likelihood of any sex taking place...and thats pretty much what happened, hence your chagrin.

A swingers club is very different...and besides, its not like events like Killing Kittens are not enjoying quite a good bit of success despite maintaining the same policy.

Also, FYI, those policies tend to go for men AND women.

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

"Anyone noticed more clubs wanting face pics to choose if you can attend. Talk about elitism.

Yes I did an example is le boudoir,asks for a recent picture !"

We joined Le Boudoir before a recent trip to London and need face pics on the application.

We are 40's , normal looking, and were accepted, so not sure if it is elitism or security to check the person turning up is the one who applied.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A face pic for security reasons wouldn't be a problem.

A full nude or waist up we just wouldn't go, Shaz likes to pick her own guys to have fun with not play with guys a club thinks she might like

Does anyone else find it weird when one half of a couples profile speaks for the other.

Why? we been together 18 year so know each other well enough to know what each other likes and feel about things.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A face pic for security reasons wouldn't be a problem.

A full nude or waist up we just wouldn't go, Shaz likes to pick her own guys to have fun with not play with guys a club thinks she might like

Does anyone else find it weird when one half of a couples profile speaks for the other.

It what some couples do they communicate and understand each other intimately. If I was not sure then I would not say anything.

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

"A face pic for security reasons wouldn't be a problem.

A full nude or waist up we just wouldn't go, Shaz likes to pick her own guys to have fun with not play with guys a club thinks she might like

Does anyone else find it weird when one half of a couples profile speaks for the other.

Not when done in the way he posted.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A face pic for security reasons wouldn't be a problem.

A full nude or waist up we just wouldn't go, Shaz likes to pick her own guys to have fun with not play with guys a club thinks she might like

Does anyone else find it weird when one half of a couples profile speaks for the other.

It what some couples do they communicate and understand each other intimately. If I was not sure then I would not say anything.

Dont get so defensive it wasnt a comment on the realtionship it was just the way it reads.

It's like they're semi talking in third person.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Obsessed with beauty?

Maybe people just like to fuck people they're attracted to??

Dont see anything wrong with vetting of any kind. For safety, looks or behaviour. Swinging is not a charity and being selective is not discrimination.

Wrll the big differnce being in your "vetting" you took the single males pictures and showed them to total strangers (couples and females) and they had to approve them to come.

This is the club only viewing them with all the legal protections that involves regarding distribution

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Obsessed with beauty?

Maybe people just like to fuck people they're attracted to??

Dont see anything wrong with vetting of any kind. For safety, looks or behaviour. Swinging is not a charity and being selective is not discrimination.

Yeah...nah. I didnt say that at all but thanks for putting words into my mouth

I said dont expect many men to turn up to a social which simply dont have the same likelihood of any sex taking place...and thats pretty much what happened, hence your chagrin.

A swingers club is very different...and besides, its not like events like Killing Kittens are not enjoying quite a good bit of success despite maintaining the same policy.

Also, FYI, those policies tend to go for men AND women. "

It also didnt help that thread that it was only revaled in the last 5 posts that the club they all go to after doesnt alow signle males and needs membership something the men only learned from the kik chat stage from others around the time she was compalinf they dropped out

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Anyone noticed more clubs wanting face pics to choose if you can attend. Talk about elitism."

I don't see the problem with this kind of vetting, whether it is for security, looks, body shape or age

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Anyone noticed more clubs wanting face pics to choose if you can attend. Talk about elitism.

I don't see the problem with this kind of vetting, whether it is for security, looks, body shape or age"

Shame it only applies to the men though

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Anyone noticed more clubs wanting face pics to choose if you can attend. Talk about elitism.

I don't see the problem with this kind of vetting, whether it is for security, looks, body shape or age

Shame it only applies to the men though

When applied, it should apply to both, men and women

I have had to show two forms of ID at practically every club I am a member of

At one, I had to send a full facial photograph in advance. At another, I was photographed at their reception when I registered

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By *aeBabeWoman over a year ago

London

"Anyone noticed more clubs wanting face pics to choose if you can attend. Talk about elitism.

I don't see the problem with this kind of vetting, whether it is for security, looks, body shape or age

Shame it only applies to the men though

It applies to everyone. You would know this if you did apply, but I definitely know you wouldn't, so...

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By *aeBabeWoman over a year ago

London

Obsessed with beauty?

Maybe people just like to fuck people they're attracted to??

Dont see anything wrong with vetting of any kind. For safety, looks or behaviour. Swinging is not a charity and being selective is not discrimination.

Yeah...nah. I didnt say that at all but thanks for putting words into my mouth

I said dont expect many men to turn up to a social which simply dont have the same likelihood of any sex taking place...and thats pretty much what happened, hence your chagrin.

A swingers club is very different...and besides, its not like events like Killing Kittens are not enjoying quite a good bit of success despite maintaining the same policy.

Also, FYI, those policies tend to go for men AND women. "

Everyone that attends are vetted, not just men. I said that already in the forum post, but you seem to ignore that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In our club called Jaydees we have just started to make sure that we have every guys id before they come along due to some of the disrespectful behaviour of some of the guys that were turning up.

I.d. also discourages bad behaviour.

We also ask for couples and single ladies id too as we have had a couple of problems with couples. So its not just single guys.

Now we don't get any problems so although membership is a right pain in the backside it is also very good for the safety of all our members.

We hope this helps love Jaydee and Tracy xxx

Completely agree with this, and as a single guy, I have no problem with providing a face pic for safety/verification. It's just common sense."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Obsessed with beauty?

Maybe people just like to fuck people they're attracted to??

Dont see anything wrong with vetting of any kind. For safety, looks or behaviour. Swinging is not a charity and being selective is not discrimination.

Yeah...nah. I didnt say that at all but thanks for putting words into my mouth

I said dont expect many men to turn up to a social which simply dont have the same likelihood of any sex taking place...and thats pretty much what happened, hence your chagrin.

A swingers club is very different...and besides, its not like events like Killing Kittens are not enjoying quite a good bit of success despite maintaining the same policy.

Also, FYI, those policies tend to go for men AND women.

Everyone that attends are vetted, not just men. I said that already in the forum post, but you seem to ignore that

Ok so you're saying any woman and couple that applies for you events has to be approved by 3 single men before they can attend?

Or ia that just the men?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Anyone noticed more clubs wanting face pics to choose if you can attend. Talk about elitism.

I don't see the problem with this kind of vetting, whether it is for security, looks, body shape or age

Shame it only applies to the men though

It applies to everyone. You would know this if you did apply, but I definitely know you wouldn't, so...

Of course i wouldn't.

Why would i go to an event thats a few drinks in london and then get ditched when everyone goes to a club I'm not alowed into?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Obsessed with beauty?

Maybe people just like to fuck people they're attracted to??

Dont see anything wrong with vetting of any kind. For safety, looks or behaviour. Swinging is not a charity and being selective is not discrimination.

Yeah...nah. I didnt say that at all but thanks for putting words into my mouth

I said dont expect many men to turn up to a social which simply dont have the same likelihood of any sex taking place...and thats pretty much what happened, hence your chagrin.

A swingers club is very different...and besides, its not like events like Killing Kittens are not enjoying quite a good bit of success despite maintaining the same policy.

Also, FYI, those policies tend to go for men AND women.

Everyone that attends are vetted, not just men. I said that already in the forum post, but you seem to ignore that

Riiiiight...

So all the women are vetted by multiple male attendees when they show up?? That was the requirement was it not? For the men to be vetted by multiple people was it not?

Christ, you are so full of hot air

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Anyone noticed more clubs wanting face pics to choose if you can attend. Talk about elitism.

I don't see the problem with this kind of vetting, whether it is for security, looks, body shape or age

Shame it only applies to the men though

It applies to everyone. You would know this if you did apply, but I definitely know you wouldn't, so...

Of course i wouldn't.

Why would i go to an event thats a few drinks in london and then get ditched when everyone goes to a club I'm not alowed into?

I certainly would not even dream of attending an 'event', which is basically drinks in a Pub, where anyone and everyone goes to anyway. It is not as if these are exclusive premises owned or even rented by the organiser for the evening

And to top it all, the organiser, who is simply just another member of this site, will not only vet my photograph but will also pass it around to three strangers for approval

Have heard some nonsense in my life but this is edging to become a prize-winner

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't see the problem with this kind of vetting, whether it is for security, looks, body shape or age"

Vetting for security I can understand. It's no different to having my passport checked before boarding a flight.

However, being told that I have to conform to the owners' 'minimum standard of attractiveness' in order to even attend a particular club is bullshit.

When most clubs host a BDSM night, they don't automatically exclude people who aren't into BDSM. They just ask that attendees bear in mind that most people at said event probably won't be looking for non-BDSM play.

What I'm saying is: it's fair enough if I turn up at a club and no-one wants to play with me; that's the choice of the individuals concerned. What I object to is when the club owners decide a priori that I will not meet the preferences of their members, or that I will have nothing of interest to bring to the table.

And no, you probably don't 'see the problem' with this situation...mainly because you're 'average' build, tall, aged between 35 and 50, and part of a couple.

In other words, you're pretty much guaranteed to fit the bill of most of the so-called 'exclusive' clubs out there...

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By *exatooCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth/ Fuerteventura

"I have no issue with face pic its the body pic from waste up which is clearly picking on looks and discriminating"

Perhaps they are trying to avoid the photoshopped images, i.e. The pics where the head has been superimposed on a body? We have seen a few of these. Maybe it's for ID purposes and to prove who you are when you turn up at the club.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't see the problem with this kind of vetting, whether it is for security, looks, body shape or age

Vetting for security I can understand. It's no different to having my passport checked before boarding a flight.

However, being told that I have to conform to the owners' 'minimum standard of attractiveness' in order to even attend a particular club is bullshit.

And no, you probably don't 'see the problem' with this situation...mainly because you're 'average' build, tall, aged between 35 and 50, and part of a couple.

In other words, you're pretty much guaranteed to fit the bill of most of the so-called 'exclusive' clubs out there...

Would you not rather go to a club where you suit almost everyone and everyone is your type? It would be a wasted night surely if you didn't find anyone attractive and paid a lot to get in? The owners try and avoid this by using their judgement and seeing if you're similar to their guest list.

If it bothers you that much, don't go to one of these clubs.

H x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Anyone noticed more clubs wanting face pics to choose if you can attend. Talk about elitism.

I don't see the problem with this kind of vetting, whether it is for security, looks, body shape or age

Shame it only applies to the men though

Not that we've experienced. it's universal where we've gone in the past.

we've applied to a club in London for this weekend and I was uncomfortable at the requirements for a photo prior to joining but we've been accepted and clearly don't fit traditional age, looks or body type requirements so that is obviously not what they're asking for them for on this occasion.

I disagree with clubs or parties having a set standard for how you look...who are they to say what everyone attending will find attractive? unless you're a brainwashed sheep judging everyone by current media or social media standards...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would you not rather go to a club where you suit almost everyone and everyone is your type? It would be a wasted night surely if you didn't find anyone attractive and paid a lot to get in? The owners try and avoid this by using their judgement and seeing if you're similar to their guest list."

Er, no.

The first piece of advice I was given when I got my name down for my first club night was 'don't go with the attitude of just looking to get laid.

I didn't play with anyone that night, but I still spent several very pleasant hours mingling with the regulars and finding out about the scene.

Not everyone goes to club nights just to get their end away, and a lot of clubs nights cost less than the entry to a regular nightclub or a round of drinks at the pub...

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By *redfreddyMan over a year ago

Valencia

"I don't see the problem with this kind of vetting, whether it is for security, looks, body shape or age

Vetting for security I can understand. It's no different to having my passport checked before boarding a flight.

However, being told that I have to conform to the owners' 'minimum standard of attractiveness' in order to even attend a particular club is bullshit.

And no, you probably don't 'see the problem' with this situation...mainly because you're 'average' build, tall, aged between 35 and 50, and part of a couple.

In other words, you're pretty much guaranteed to fit the bill of most of the so-called 'exclusive' clubs out there...

If it bothers you that much, don't go to one of these clubs.

H x"

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

Clubs are private they can do what they like. If they only want 20-something beautiful people they can do it. In that case we can't get in.

It happens. No need for bees in bonnets. Most clubs are very inclusive, just go and have fun.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Clubs are private they can do what they like. If they only want 20-something beautiful people they can do it. In that case we can't get in.

It happens. No need for bees in bonnets. Most clubs are very inclusive, just go and have fun."

And then neither can I. But there will be another which permits fat fugly oldie-goldies like myself where i can meet like minded and like-bodied folk. I would much rather be amongst their company and have fun than be surrounded by super-models looking down on me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Anyone noticed more clubs wanting face pics to choose if you can attend. Talk about elitism.

I don't see the problem with this kind of vetting, whether it is for security, looks, body shape or age

Shame it only applies to the men though

Not that we've experienced. it's universal where we've gone in the past.

Yeah brain washed sheep...

If its bbw, black or old its "personal preference"

If its anything else its "brainwashed sheep"

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By *xploringThisWorldMan over a year ago

collier row

Let's be honest.

It's only ugly people feeling bitter. . . . It's like they want couples to be MADE to let them join in?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you think vetting by photo-submission is harsh, you'll definitely want to avoid a swinger club in Paris called Les Chandelles. Its famous (infamous) for its tough door policy - if the chap on the door thinks you're ugly or fat, you're not getting in. On our second visit we witnessed a couple being turned away and the female bursting into tears. Not nice... Inside there were indeed plenty of 'attractive' people, but the scene on the door soured the experience so we left early, and won't be going back.

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

"If you think vetting by photo-submission is harsh, you'll definitely want to avoid a swinger club in Paris called Les Chandelles. Its famous (infamous) for its tough door policy - if the chap on the door thinks you're ugly or fat, you're not getting in. On our second visit we witnessed a couple being turned away and the female bursting into tears. Not nice... Inside there were indeed plenty of 'attractive' people, but the scene on the door soured the experience so we left early, and won't be going back."

hahaha when we went to Paris and researched clubs we looked into that place. We heard about the notorious door policy. Since we aren't 25 years old with Yves Saint Laurent contracts, we didn't bother.

We went to another that was still hyper sexy, full of sexy people and had a great time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Let's be honest.

It's only ugly people feeling bitter. . . . It's like they want couples to be MADE to let them join in"

And where, pray tell, did I or anyone else say that we want couples to be MADE to let us join in?

As I said above, I simply wish to be extended the courtesy of being able to enjoy the facilities of whichever club I choose to patronise.

If none of the other guests wish to play with me, that is THEIR DECISION. There's nought wrong with going to a club simply to enjoy the atmosphere, get to know new people in the scene, and spend an evening in the company of like-minded folk.

It is not the job of the management to stand at the door armed with a metaphorical yardstick, tape-measure, bathroom scales and BMI chart, just to make sure that short-arse fatties like myself don't spoil the fun of 'beautiful' people who can't stand to be in the same room as us...

Also, you might be the 'hottest' bloke on this site, but if you go around branding people as 'ugly' and 'bitter' simply because they disagree with you, you're going to find it damn difficult to find any meets. I certainly wouldn't touch you with a barge pole.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Let's be honest.

It's only ugly people feeling bitter. . . . It's like they want couples to be MADE to let them join in

And where, pray tell, did I or anyone else say that we want couples to be MADE to let us join in?

As I said above, I simply wish to be extended the courtesy of being able to enjoy the facilities of whichever club I choose to patronise.

To be fair though you say its thier decison not to play with anyone which is true but it csn be seriously off putting.

One of the main reasons i stopped going to clubs was every time you start to do anything in public areas together you look up and theres 4+ fat old guys hands under thier towels wanking away staring at you

It really does break the mood and is kinda a boner a killer

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We went to another that was still hyper sexy, full of sexy people and had a great time."

Yes, we've been to a few Paris clubs and always had a great time.

Les Chandelles guests ranged from 20s to 50s, so it seemed to us to be more about looks, size and dress than an age thing. We're pretty sure the club needs the more mature folk for the cash they flash at the bar - seriously expensive prices!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"One of the main reasons i stopped going to clubs was every time you start to do anything in public areas together you look up and theres 4+ fat old guys hands under thier towels wanking away staring at you"

Yep, the non-consentual masturbators were a big

for me too...

To be honest though, if people are spoiling your evening by intruding on your play like that, the management should really be stepping in. Isn't that the point of 'Dungeon Masters' or their equivalent in non-BDSM venues?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yep, the non-consentual masturbators were a big

for me too...

And say what, "Hey, fat old guys, stop watching and wanking over these beautiful people"

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Let's be honest.

It's only ugly people feeling bitter. . . . It's like they want couples to be MADE to let them join in

And where, pray tell, did I or anyone else say that we want couples to be MADE to let us join in?

As I said above, I simply wish to be extended the courtesy of being able to enjoy the facilities of whichever club I choose to patronise.

To be fair though you say its thier decison not to play with anyone which is true but it csn be seriously off putting.

It really does break the mood and is kinda a boner a killer"

I read that as 4*

Didn't know size was 'graded'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Er, no.

The first piece of advice I was given when I got my name down for my first club night was 'don't go with the attitude of just looking to get laid.

I didn't play with anyone that night, but I still spent several very pleasant hours mingling with the regulars and finding out about the scene.

Not everyone goes to club nights just to get their end away, and a lot of clubs nights cost less than the entry to a regular nightclub or a round of drinks at the pub... "

Oh right. We go to play as I'm sure many others do as it is, you know, a swingers club. Not sure what clubs you have been to but all the clubs we have been to have costed much more than a round of drinks! Maybe you should just go to a regular club and not get so bitter about which clubs other people go to?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yep, the non-consentual masturbators were a big

for me too...

Public rooms you cant really tell people to leave cause you find the sight of them off putting.

Management stepping in abour rhis situation is exactly what your conplaining about though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Id best stay away from you guys then if fat old guys turn you off....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How can you complain about people watching if your in a open environment at a club ?? Simple thing to do would be find a private room

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By *ilk_TreMan over a year ago

Wherever the party is!

"How can you complain about people watching if your in a open environment at a club ?? Simple thing to do would be find a private room "

Shh! We don't want any of that new-fangled commonsense malarkey around here!

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

Yep, the non-consentual masturbators were a big

for me too...

Public rooms you cant really tell people to leave cause you find the sight of them off putting.

Management stepping in abour rhis situation is exactly what your conplaining about though.

Some posters choosing to mis-understand, or maybe really don't.

Can you differentiate the difference in being watched by another couple/s and it feeling sexy, but being wanked over by 5 creepy feeling guys is not sexy?

If not, I can't explain.

MrB

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How can you complain about people watching if your in a open environment at a club ?? Simple thing to do would be find a private room "

When you get men following you around and wanking inches from your face when you're trying to play, it's a problem.

H x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Public rooms you cant really tell people to leave cause you find the sight of them off putting.

Management stepping in abour rhis situation is exactly what your conplaining about though"

Try reading what I actually wrote.

I DID NOT complain about management stepping in and preventing 'fatties' from interfering in other attendees' play WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT.

I complained about management refusing entry to 'fatties' PURELY BECAUSE OF THEIR PHYSIQUE.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some posters choosing to mis-understand, or maybe really don't.

Can you differentiate the difference in being watched by another couple/s and it feeling sexy, but being wanked over by 5 creepy feeling guys is not sexy?

If not, I can't explain."

THANK YOU!

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By *picyminxWoman over a year ago

Huntingdon

"I have no issue with face pic its the body pic from waste up which is clearly picking on looks and discriminating"

Not necessarily at all. Just send the pic in. Be confident. The club I go to asks for good clear pics possibly even the same from waist up and I see all sorts of shapes,sizes,looks in there.

Its normally hearsay that puts people off ie. A couple of weeks ago a couple went to 1 club on a friday night and were actually told by staff that the other local club wouldnt let fat people in. They went to the other club on Saturday to test it out for themselves and had a whale of a time and met some lovely people.

Regardless of where it is I would just send it in. We can often make the wrong assumptions. I have before.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How can you complain about people watching if your in a open environment at a club ?? Simple thing to do would be find a private room "

Sigh im not complaining about the watching.

I was complaing that looking up to a bunch of people i personally find very unattractive is off putting.

If i looked up from my partner snd there where a bunch of sexy couples watching that adds to it.

Its positive visual stimulation and the naughty being watched stimulation.

But looking up to a view that is normally the kind of thing i picture when im trying not to cum is verg different

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Public rooms you cant really tell people to leave cause you find the sight of them off putting.

Management stepping in abour rhis situation is exactly what your conplaining about though

Try reading what I actually wrote.

I DID NOT complain about management stepping in and preventing 'fatties' from interfering in other attendees' play WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT.

I complained about management refusing entry to 'fatties' PURELY BECAUSE OF THEIR PHYSIQUE."

I know exactly whst you wrote.

What im saying is in the public rooms tbe only way for managment to prevent what i was talking is to stop people from being alowed in PURELEY BECAUSE OF THIER PHYSIQUE

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yep, the non-consentual masturbators were a big

for me too...

Public rooms you cant really tell people to leave cause you find the sight of them off putting.

Management stepping in abour rhis situation is exactly what your conplaining about though.

Some posters choosing to mis-understand, or maybe really don't.

Can you differentiate the difference in being watched by another couple/s and it feeling sexy, but being wanked over by 5 creepy feeling guys is not sexy?

If not, I can't explain.

MrB"

Not 100% what your saying in this post not sure if youre agreeing eith me that being watched by people you find atgractive is a turn on or agreeing with him that what the people watching you look like doesnt matter

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

Yep, the non-consentual masturbators were a big

for me too...

Public rooms you cant really tell people to leave cause you find the sight of them off putting.

Management stepping in abour rhis situation is exactly what your conplaining about though.

Some posters choosing to mis-understand, or maybe really don't.

Can you differentiate the difference in being watched by another couple/s and it feeling sexy, but being wanked over by 5 creepy feeling guys is not sexy?

If not, I can't explain.

MrB

My crap reply+quote.

Wanking guys are allowed to be in an open room, but it is not a sexy vibe.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Public rooms you cant really tell people to leave cause you find the sight of them off putting.

Management stepping in abour rhis situation is exactly what your conplaining about though

Try reading what I actually wrote.

I DID NOT complain about management stepping in and preventing 'fatties' from interfering in other attendees' play WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT.

I complained about management refusing entry to 'fatties' PURELY BECAUSE OF THEIR PHYSIQUE."

Not entirely sure why this shocks. Surprise, surprise a sex orientated site will have those who "discriminate" based on looks....

Private clubs can really do what they like...of course there is always the threat of customer backlash...but it seems that many patrons do in fact like the idea of clubs being selective about who they let in. ESPECIALLY the women.

TBH, no. People dont really want to see fat/out of shape old men collectively wanking in public areas...not entirely sure if that makes someone terrible for expecting some clubs to cater to that desire.

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

I won't attend any club that restricts membership due to size, sex, ethnicity, or any other reason.

As I said up-thread, I am sure there are certain clubs that wouldn't worry about this at all, but in the 20 or so clubs I have attended over the last 3 years there hasn't seemed to be any restriction as described above there.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I won't attend any club that restricts membership due to size, sex, ethnicity, or any other reason.

So i assume ypu go to no clubs then as every one has couples only events.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Private clubs can really do what they like...of course there is always the threat of customer backlash...but it seems that many patrons do in fact like the idea of clubs being selective about who they let in. ESPECIALLY the women"

I note that 'being selective' is being supported ONLY when the people being excluded can be dismissed as 'fat' - and therefore 'out of shape.'

I also note that it is only 'fat men' that are being targeted on this thread. Tell me...is that because:

A) these clubs can't AFFORD to discriminate against women, because so few women seem to want to attend?

B) the patrons of said clubs regard 'fat women' as being 'easy' and/or 'desperate'?

C) the owners of said clubs regard BBW as a 'kink,' but BHM as just 'promoting ill health'?

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"I won't attend any club that restricts membership due to size, sex, ethnicity, or any other reason.

So i assume ypu go to no clubs then as every one has couples only events."

I'd prefer to only go to clubs that don't, but most of them do. However I said clubs that restrict membership, not admittance. Most clubs do one couples only night a week at most. The only club I've heard of that was always couples only started letting in single men within a year of opening.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I won't attend any club that restricts membership due to size, sex, ethnicity, or any other reason....So i assume you go to no clubs then as every one has couples only events"

Another willful misunderstanding of the point being made.

Hosting a dedicated 'couples only' event would no more come under the criteria of 'restricting membership' than would hosting a 'BBW and Admirers' night or a 'T-Girls and Admirers' night.

Those are SPECIFIC EVENTS catering for specific clientele.

What you are advocating is the ability of a club to bar people who you deem 'unattractive' from ALL events, regardless of the target audience.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

Many London West End nite-clubs select revellers based on their attire, age, body-shape, attractiveness, etc. I am not certain exactly what the criteria is but I have seen people being turned away

I wasn't aware that swingers clubs do the same too, but if they do, then they are following nite-clubs

Each and everyone of us would like to meet people we find attractive in clubs. I suppose, clubs which do select, base it on the lowest common denominator of what the majority find as attractive

If whenever I went to a club, most of the men there were old and fat then I would visit another venue where that wasn't the case

I go to swingers clubs to have fun with people I find attractive and not because I am conducting some kind of a social experiment

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Many London West End nite-clubs select revellers based on their attire, age, body-shape, attractiveness, etc. I am not certain exactly what the criteria is but I have seen people being turned away"

I'll admit that I have seen many bars and night clubs that do not permit entry to anyone wearing 'football shirts, work boots or soiled attire.'

I've always been somewhat bemused by the 'football shirts' part of that...although that may be because I'm never in a situation where my football shirt is going to get caked in mud and sweat...

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By *is_Collared_SubWoman over a year ago

London

I don't see what's wrong with a club only wanting attractive young people, as it will encourage more attractive young people to come.

Go to most swingers clubs and it appears to be a game for 40's and above. The best looking swingers I've played with have been at selective parties.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't see what's wrong with a club only wanting attractive young people, as it will encourage more attractive young people to come.

Go to most swingers clubs and it appears to be a game for 40's and above. The best looking swingers I've played with have been at selective parties."

As I said above, it seems that the average fab member is aged between 35 to 50, and primarily looking for someone in that same age bracket (although there are plenty of exceptions.)

However, thanks for illustrating my point that the people saying that there's 'nothing wrong' with a club 'only wanting attractive [young] people' are also those Fab members who would be deemed to fit the stated criteria...

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

"I don't see what's wrong with a club only wanting attractive young people, as it will encourage more attractive young people to come.

Go to most swingers clubs and it appears to be a game for 40's and above. The best looking swingers I've played with have been at selective parties.

As I said above, it seems that the average fab member is aged between 35 to 50, and primarily looking for someone in that same age bracket (although there are plenty of exceptions.)

Sorry, I don't. I'm late 40's average guy.

I can understand some clubs only wanting young uber-hot people. It is what their clientele want and makes that club what it is.

I won't be getting in, but don't mind. I am happy in a club with a mixed age group where generally most people find a match. They seem to be 90% of the clubs anyway.

I don't care about the selective club. I only know of Killing Kittens in the uk where it might be a thing, but I will survive.

There's no point gatecrashing the party where no one wants you to be there.

Relax, have fun folks xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I note that 'being selective' is being supported ONLY when the people being excluded can be dismissed as 'fat' - and therefore 'out of shape.'

I also note that it is only 'fat men' that are being targeted on this thread. Tell me...is that because:

A) these clubs can't AFFORD to discriminate against women, because so few women seem to want to attend?

B) the patrons of said clubs regard 'fat women' as being 'easy' and/or 'desperate'?

C) the owners of said clubs regard BBW as a 'kink,' but BHM as just 'promoting ill health'?"

Actually i also said old and somone else said ugly.

Only you seem focused on fat alone, probbaly because thats the group you find yourself in.

Which most clubs have special nights for as fat is such a big thing (ha) these days.

Sure they dont have one for fat guys but thats because theres no market for it.

If it annoys you dont be fat.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Many London West End nite-clubs select revellers based on their attire, age, body-shape, attractiveness, etc. I am not certain exactly what the criteria is but I have seen people being turned away

I'll admit that I have seen many bars and night clubs that do not permit entry to anyone wearing 'football shirts, work boots or soiled attire.'

I've always been somewhat bemused by the 'football shirts' part of that...although that may be because I'm never in a situation where my football shirt is going to get caked in mud and sweat...

Really? Its because footbal shirts start fights later in the night when people see supporters of another team.

No shirt and it stays off peoples radar

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I won't attend any club that restricts membership due to size, sex, ethnicity, or any other reason....So i assume you go to no clubs then as every one has couples only events

Another willful misunderstanding of the point being made.

Hosting a dedicated 'couples only' event would no more come under the criteria of 'restricting membership' than would hosting a 'BBW and Admirers' night or a 'T-Girls and Admirers' night.

Those are SPECIFIC EVENTS catering for specific clientele.

What you are advocating is the ability of a club to bar people who you deem 'unattractive' from ALL events, regardless of the target audience."

No im not really advocating eother.

But yeah id be happy for one saturday a month say to be the i dunno "can still touch thier toes" fay or something

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sure they dont have one for fat guys but thats because theres no market for it.

If it annoys you dont be fat."

You seem to be under the delusion that I'd lose weight PURELY in order to get laid by vacuous arseholes who are so insecure and shallow that they can only stand to be around 'beautiful' people...

As to the fact that you also said 'old' and someone else said 'ugly,' THAT IS IRRELEVANT, because both use and the other user were equating 'ugly' and 'old' with 'fatness.'

In other words, for the purposes of my multiple choice, you could substitute either of the other two criteria, and the point would be the same...

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"I won't attend any club that restricts membership due to size, sex, ethnicity, or any other reason....So i assume you go to no clubs then as every one has couples only events

Another willful misunderstanding of the point being made.

Hosting a dedicated 'couples only' event would no more come under the criteria of 'restricting membership' than would hosting a 'BBW and Admirers' night or a 'T-Girls and Admirers' night.

Those are SPECIFIC EVENTS catering for specific clientele.

What you are advocating is the ability of a club to bar people who you deem 'unattractive' from ALL events, regardless of the target audience.

No im not really advocating eother.

But yeah id be happy for one saturday a month say to be the i dunno "can still touch thier toes" fay or something"

Foot fetish, uh

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Sure they dont have one for fat guys but thats because theres no market for it.

If it annoys you dont be fat.

You seem to be under the delusion that I'd lose weight PURELY in order to get laid by vacuous arseholes who are so insecure and shallow that they can only stand to be around 'beautiful' people...

As to the fact that you also said 'old' and someone else said 'ugly,' THAT IS IRRELEVANT, because both use and the other user were equating 'ugly' and 'old' with 'fatness.'

In other words, for the purposes of my multiple choice, you could substitute either of the other two criteria, and the point would be the same..."

I am afraid that the truly vacuous ar*eh*les are the ones who have an inflated sense of entitlement

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By *oiretblancCouple over a year ago

London

I have very high standards when it comes to arranging meetings with anyone from this website. Looks , personality, experience and sexual tastes all go into the rigorous assessment of anyone wanting to meet me and sample my delicious pussy.

However, in a club environment - clothes off, sweat dripping, music pumping and bodies entangled I find this all goes out the window. Lust goggles make every cock look delicious and every set of lips kissable and juicy!

Some of the men who have fucked me at clubs have been remarkably unattractive - but boy did they make me feel good!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am afraid that the truly vacuous ar*eh*les are the ones who have an inflated sense of entitlement"

Were I insisting that people who were not attracted to me were OBLIGED to play with me...THAT would quality as 'Entitlement.'

I am simply advocating that I should have an equal right to patronise a venue, rather than have the management ASSUME that I will be of no interest to the membership.

As I have repeatedly pointed out, I have NO objection to being turned down for play.

What I object to is the management acting on the ASSUMPTION that any such request on my part to any of their clientele will be negatively received.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"However, in a club environment - clothes off, sweat dripping, music pumping and bodies entangled I find this all goes out the window. Lust goggles make every cock look delicious and every set of lips kissable and juicy! Some of the men who have fucked me at clubs have been remarkably unattractive - but boy did they make me feel good!"

Rather more crude than I would have liked

but EXACTLY MY POINT.

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By *oiretblancCouple over a year ago

London

Lighten up Mr Devon - be more crude and you will get laid more!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lighten up Mr Devon - be more crude and you will get laid more!"

Don't worry...I can be just as crude as the next fat, bald, lazy slob...

At least, I've got the 'fat' bit down, and MPB is setting on apace, so I'm 3/8 of the way there...

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"I am afraid that the truly vacuous ar*eh*les are the ones who have an inflated sense of entitlement

Were I insisting that people who were not attracted to me were OBLIGED to play with me...THAT would quality as 'Entitlement.'

I am simply advocating that I should have an equal right to patronise a venue, rather than have the management ASSUME that I will be of no interest to the membership.

As I have repeatedly pointed out, I have NO objection to being turned down for play.

What I object to is the management acting on the ASSUMPTION that any such request on my part to any of their clientele will be negatively received."

It is fine for you to want that but you then go on with: "You seem to be under the delusion that I'd lose weight PURELY in order to get laid by vacuous arseholes who are so insecure and shallow that they can only stand to be around 'beautiful' people..."

We have different yardsticks by which we measure who are "'beautiful' people" and who are not. And just because you may not fall within someone's definition of a 'beautiful' person, does not mean that they are "vacuous arseholes who are so insecure and shallow that they can only stand to be around 'beautiful' people"

There are more folk out there who find me unattractive than who may find me attractive. I concentrate on those who do, rather than carry a massive chip on my left shoulder which will only result in me having to carry a small boulder on my right shoulder, otherwise I am likely to trip and fall flat on my face

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just because you may not fall within someone's definition of a 'beautiful' person, does not mean that they are "vacuous arseholes who are so insecure and shallow that they can only stand to be around 'beautiful' people""

I never said that they were 'vacuous arseholes' because they don't consider me to be a 'beautiful person'...I said that they were 'vacuous arseholes' because they were advocating that I lose weight in order to stand a better chance of getting laid...

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By *oiretblancCouple over a year ago

London

Also...as part of your "getting laid more often programme" try to be a little less self-righteous. This will open you to accepting and valuing the wisdom and guidance from people like the divine Josie.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I note that 'being selective' is being supported ONLY when the people being excluded can be dismissed as 'fat' - and therefore 'out of shape.'

I also note that it is only 'fat men' that are being targeted on this thread. Tell me...is that because:

A) these clubs can't AFFORD to discriminate against women, because so few women seem to want to attend?

B) the patrons of said clubs regard 'fat women' as being 'easy' and/or 'desperate'?

C) the owners of said clubs regard BBW as a 'kink,' but BHM as just 'promoting ill health'?"

Well, swinging is about sex and not about charity. BBW are less restricted because women are smaller in number in the swinging world as is and BBW is still a pretty popular fetish/interest...hence why there are events catering specifically to that.

Yes, "BHM" is not desirable to many. Women dont want clubs filled with "wanking, older and overweight men" and, quite frankly, swinging is inundated with men as it is so you're essentially in a buyers market. In any such market, men will have to compete and thus those with less desirable traits (whatever they may be) will be left out. Especially in club events where there is more than enough men who can cover the cost of a night.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Are you shocked by this statement? Like, seriously?

Wow. This is what I mean. The level of delusion among some of you really does border the mentally insane.

Being fat makes you less desirable to the genpop. If you are less desirable then you be overlooked for more physically appealing men. Physical appeal is still one of the dominating factors in sexual attraction.

Mate...surely you're jesting with posts like these

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well, swinging is about sex and not about charity."

Did I say ANYTHING about looking for 'charity'?

I just want to be able to patronise the club of my choice; particularly if it's the only club in my local area, or the only one offering specific events.

Also, my point was that ALL of the objections being raised on this thread are being directed against 'fat, overweight men,' not 'fat, overweight women.'

But of course, the owners of these clubs HAVE to tolerate the presence of women who don't fit their 'standards of beauty,' because said women serve to attract more male clients...WHO CAN THEN BE FILTERED according to physical appearance...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How about if you don't like the idea of being judged because of your appearance, you don't try and get into a club that requests that kind of thing?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The level of delusion among some of you really does border the mentally insane. Being fat makes you less desirable to the genpop. If you are less desirable then you be overlooked for more physically appealing men. Physical appeal is still one of the dominating factors in sexual attraction."

Strangely enough, OUTSIDE of the club scene, I've not really had all that much trouble finding people who consider me to be physically desirable...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well, swinging is about sex and not about charity.

Did I say ANYTHING about looking for 'charity'?

I just want to be able to patronise the club of my choice; particularly if it's the only club in my local area, or the only one offering specific events.

Also, my point was that ALL of the objections being raised on this thread are being directed against 'fat, overweight men,' not 'fat, overweight women.'

Yes, because fat women are more appealing than fat men. The proof is in the pudding. And yes, oin many cases you will have to "tolerate" women who dont appeal to ones preferences because swinging is heavily dependent on women...they're the "unicorns" after all. As said....buyers market.

You symbolise the strange sense of entitlement a lot of hopeless men have on this site...and then they whine about having "poor luck". A swinging club IS a business and, like any business, will seek to make a profit...in order to this it needs to cater to the whims of an audience. Men always complain about men being "discriminated against" in bars/clubs/swingers clubs but then will moan when those same clubs have nights which end up as sausage fests.

The presence of a good ratio of men and women can make or break a clubs reputation...thus they will need to cater to the market by being selective of the less valuable patrons. Men are the less valuable patrons. Accept it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Anyone noticed more clubs wanting face pics to choose if you can attend. Talk about elitism."
We have zero issues with showing our faces in our profile, but we absolutely refuse to even consider a club that has some shallow vetting policy based on how you look.

Our view is that it's their loss!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How about if you don't like the idea of being judged because of your appearance, you don't try and get into a club that requests that kind of thing? "

I don't...then again, that could be because a visit to my nearest club - selective or not - currently requires me to either get on a plane or spend a minimum of 90 mins on a boat...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Men always complain about men being "discriminated against" in bars/clubs/swingers clubs but then will moan when those same clubs have nights which end up as sausage fests. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't see what's wrong with a club only wanting attractive young people, as it will encourage more attractive young people to come.

Go to most swingers clubs and it appears to be a game for 40's and above. The best looking swingers I've played with have been at selective parties."
In our experience, a lot of times, being attractive on the outside and judging others based on some arbitrary measure of attractiveness, normally means that the are dead ugly on the inside.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't see what's wrong with a club only wanting attractive young people, as it will encourage more attractive young people to come.

Go to most swingers clubs and it appears to be a game for 40's and above. The best looking swingers I've played with have been at selective parties.In our experience, a lot of times, being attractive on the outside and judging others based on some arbitrary measure of attractiveness, normally means that the are dead ugly on the inside."

By arbitrary measure of attractiveness..you mean a preference?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You symbolise the strange sense of entitlement a lot of hopeless men have on this site...and then they whine about having "poor luck...Men always complain about men being "discriminated against" in bars/clubs/swingers clubs but then will moan when those same clubs have nights which end up as sausage fests"

And I'll say it again...ENTITLEMENT is the belief that you a right to sexual gratification AND/OR that people are obliged to play with you when asked.

The belief that you should be able to have equal right of access to a venue IS NOT ENTITLEMENT.

As I said, I DON'T CARE if I go to a club and don't end up playing, because I don't go with the EXPECTATION of getting laid.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't see what's wrong with a club only wanting attractive young people, as it will encourage more attractive young people to come.

By arbitrary measure of attractiveness..you mean a preference?

"
But it is not the swingers preference that are being used to judge people at the clubs, it is the club owners... Being rejected on looks by another swinger is a preference decision and not a problem, but being rejected by a club because of your appearance is arbitrary decision.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And I'll say it again...ENTITLEMENT is the belief that you a right to sexual gratification AND/OR that people are obliged to play with you when asked.

The belief that you should be able to have equal right of access to a venue IS NOT ENTITLEMENT.

As I said, I DON'T CARE if I go to a club and don't end up playing, because I don't go with the EXPECTATION of getting laid."

Could not agree more. When we started we were like sad little sex hunters and we admit it. Pretty much from the day we realised this and just went for the party atmosphere the level of play we got jumped enormously. We can pretty much get play in a club anytime we want now, because we go with zero expectations and just enjoy the night.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"By arbitrary measure of attractiveness..you mean a preference?"

Except that personal preferences are NOT, in general, arbitrary...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But it is not the swingers preference that are being used to judge people at the clubs, it is the club owners. Being rejected on looks by another swinger is a preference decision and not a problem, but being rejected by a club because of your appearance is arbitrary decision."

EXACTLY!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And I'll say it again...ENTITLEMENT is the belief that you a right to sexual gratification AND/OR that people are obliged to play with you when asked.

The belief that you should be able to have equal right of access to a venue IS NOT ENTITLEMENT.

As I said, I DON'T CARE if I go to a club and don't end up playing, because I don't go with the EXPECTATION of getting laid."

It is entitlement though. You complaining about private venues discriminating against something which isnt even a protected class.

No, you are not entitled to "equal access" if a venue does not benefit from allowing you to access it. Its like complaining that a hair salon caters to women. You're not entitled to patronage.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't see what's wrong with a club only wanting attractive young people, as it will encourage more attractive young people to come.

By arbitrary measure of attractiveness..you mean a preference?

But it is not the swingers preference that are being used to judge people at the clubs, it is the club owners... Being rejected on looks by another swinger is a preference decision and not a problem, but being rejected by a club because of your appearance is arbitrary decision."

There is a general idea of attractiveness. Who are we really fooling?

End of the day is, overweight men will be excluded. The same way men with small penises will be excluded from play with many. The women dictate who will be having sex and the ratio means that the women can be more selective. The club owner knows that the presence of women makes or breaks his/her establishment and thus they will also cater to that audience. Considering many of the males who complain about "getting left out" are often those who will themselves claim that they dont physically stand out...it should not be of any surprise that this becomes the "control group" when they owner needs to start filtering to maintain a good balance of people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is entitlement though. You complaining about private venues discriminating against something which isnt even a protected class.

No, you are not entitled to "equal access" if a venue does not benefit from allowing you to access it. Its like complaining that a hair salon caters to women. You're not entitled to patronage."

Actually, if my understanding of the legal position is correct, as far as 'private venues' go, there is no such thing as a 'protected class,' because Private Members Clubs are not subject to the Equality Act.

In other words, the owners of a swingers club could go far as to say 'no blacks, no asians, no gays, no Jews, no Muslims,' and they STILL could not be prosecuted under the Equality Act, because they are not providing a 'public service.'

HOWEVER, that doesn't change the fact that it IS NOT 'entitlement' to protest against being excluded from a club based upon an arbitrary characteristic.

As to your example of hair salons, it is true that businesses providing public services are banned from discriminating on grounds of gender.

HOWEVER, women's hair salons - at least the ones I know of - DO NOT EXPLICITLY ban men from making appointments there. It is simply the case that men DO NOT TYPICALLY SEEK the services they offer.

That said, UNISEX hair salons are becoming increasingly popular; in France, for example, they are the norm.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

1) I don't think this 'problem' exists. I have yet to come across clubs, barring a couple, which do exclude fat men and fat women

2) If this was happening at a number of clubs and the patrons did not want this to happen, then they would vote with their feet and the clubs will have to change that policy. Therefore:

2a) This is either not happening

2b) This happens and the majority of the patrons agree with this selection criteria

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is entitlement though. You complaining about private venues discriminating against something which isnt even a protected class.

No, you are not entitled to "equal access" if a venue does not benefit from allowing you to access it. Its like complaining that a hair salon caters to women. You're not entitled to patronage.

HOWEVER, that doesn't change the fact that it IS NOT 'entitlement' to protest against being excluded from a club based upon an arbitrary characteristic.

As to your example of hair salons, it is true that businesses providing public services are banned from discriminating on grounds of gender.

HOWEVER, women's hair salons - at least the ones I know of - DO NOT EXPLICITLY ban men from making appointments there. It is simply the case that men DO NOT TYPICALLY SEEK the services they offer.

That said, UNISEX hair salons are becoming increasingly popular; in France, for example, they are the norm. "

Yeah private clubs are not even subject to equality laws...sooo you're really only further supporting my argument. And TBH if I sat there and came across a club which didnt want black members to attend then I would indeed find it both sad, juvenile and entitled that some people would actually sit there and want an establishment to cater to them.

Arbitrary is also a matter of a opinion. The prevailing opinion in a swinging club is that of those most lucrative to said establishment. The money is in the couples and the women...therefore their preferences will dictate how it goes down. A lot of these same couples speak negatively of overweight old men...and thus will frequent places which limit the presence of overweight old men.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And TBH if I sat there and came across a club which didnt want black members to attend then I would indeed find it both sad, juvenile and entitled that some people would actually sit there and want an establishment to cater to them. "

Do you mean that you'd find it 'sad, juvenile and entitled' that a club didn't want black members; or that you'd find it 'sad juvenile and entitled' if people took to fab in order to complain?

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By *aeBabeWoman over a year ago

London

"It is entitlement though. You complaining about private venues discriminating against something which isnt even a protected class.

No, you are not entitled to "equal access" if a venue does not benefit from allowing you to access it. Its like complaining that a hair salon caters to women. You're not entitled to patronage.

HOWEVER, that doesn't change the fact that it IS NOT 'entitlement' to protest against being excluded from a club based upon an arbitrary characteristic.

As to your example of hair salons, it is true that businesses providing public services are banned from discriminating on grounds of gender.

HOWEVER, women's hair salons - at least the ones I know of - DO NOT EXPLICITLY ban men from making appointments there. It is simply the case that men DO NOT TYPICALLY SEEK the services they offer.

That said, UNISEX hair salons are becoming increasingly popular; in France, for example, they are the norm.

Have to agree with you on this.

In order for some clubs to thrive and succeed they need to meet the demands of those willing to pay to become members in a pool of patrons that match their ideal for possibly playmates. Clubs are privately owned, so have the right to run them as they see fit, if it wasn't working they would change their process.

Truly, if you have an issue with a clubs rules and process, why do you want to become a patron of that club?

Just move on to the next one...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"1) I don't think this 'problem' exists. I have yet to come across clubs, barring a couple, which do exclude fat men and fat women

2) If this was happening at a number of clubs and the patrons did not want this to happen, then they would vote with their feet and the clubs will have to change that policy. Therefore:

2a) This is either not happening

2b) This happens and the majority of the patrons agree with this selection criteria"

By your own definition, only a couple of clubs that you know of apply this criteria.

You say that if it was a common practice, the patrons would 'vote with their feet'...how do you know that this has not already happened, forcing the majority of clubs to broaden their membership?

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"1) I don't think this 'problem' exists. I have yet to come across clubs, barring a couple, which do exclude fat men and fat women

2) If this was happening at a number of clubs and the patrons did not want this to happen, then they would vote with their feet and the clubs will have to change that policy. Therefore:

2a) This is either not happening

2b) This happens and the majority of the patrons agree with this selection criteria

By your own definition, only a couple of clubs that you know of apply this criteria.

You say that if it was a common practice, the patrons would 'vote with their feet'...how do you know that this has not already happened, forcing the majority of clubs to broaden their membership?"

And if that is the case then I really do not understand what you are 'complaining' about. Is it that 'killing kittens' won't let you in?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Do you mean that you'd find it 'sad, juvenile and entitled' that a club didn't want black members; or that you'd find it 'sad juvenile and entitled' if people took to fab in order to complain?"

No, the club would be racist. And I would also hold the complainant in high regard if he repeatedly whined about the same club not letting him in. He would indeed be juvenile and entitled for begging for approval from a club who clearly did not want him there.

The same reason I side eye those who complain about "not being given a chance" by couples who explicitly state "no blacks/asians/whites". I mean, why would even want to play with them?

However, this still ignores the obvious reality that the average consumer will maintain some form of moral influence over their decision making...since things like race take greater priority than size in any moralistic purchasing decision, logic would dictate that any establishment risks bad publicity by adopting such a stance...hence most (if not all clubs) opt out of explicitly stating race based preferences. Why? Because its a risk to their business to do so.

So you're essentially sitting here and asking why a club doesnt risk alienating its primary target demographic to please you. Thats entitlement in a nutshell.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We are selective about which posts to read as some don't come up to standard.

Does that make us postist ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No, the club would be racist. And I would also hold the complainant in high regard if he repeatedly whined about the same club not letting him in. He would indeed be juvenile and entitled for begging for approval from a club who clearly did not want him there"

Surely you mean that you would hold the complainant in LOW regard for 'repeatedly whining' and 'begging for approval'?

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

Does anybody actually know of specific clubs or events that this relates to? Killing Kittens is one, but where else?

Or is it just a hypothetical discussion?

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

I guess the thread death means it was hypothetical and we were getting annoyed just in case?

Have fun, keep smiling xx

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"I guess the thread death means it was hypothetical and we were getting annoyed just in case?

Have fun, keep smiling xx

It is [ hypothetical ]

[ next thread; Miss Universe pagent is unfair towards old and fat men ]

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By *rfun OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"Does anybody actually know of specific clubs or events that this relates to? Killing Kittens is one, but where else?

Or is it just a hypothetical discussion?"
at least one club has it needs wait upwards pic for single males and it's a newer club.

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By *rfun OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

Here's the exact wording "Membership applications for single guys need to be applied by email with a clear attached up to date photo from waist upwards (nude photos will not be necessary) and a few words about yourselves (this will help towards a successful application"

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

"Here's the exact wording "Membership applications for single guys need to be applied by email with a clear attached up to date photo from waist upwards (nude photos will not be necessary) and a few words about yourselves (this will help towards a successful application""

How do you know that is used for selection based on looks? It could also be used to ensure it is the new member who turns up and not his banned mate.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

How do you know that is used for selection based on looks? It could also be used to ensure it is the new member who turns up and not his banned mate."

We had applied to a London club which has been going on for a few years and their requirement is clothed photographs of both from the waist up

I am definately female so this requirement is not just for men. It is largely to ensure that the people who have applied for the membership with their details are the ones who actually turn up on the night and not someone who is a trouble-maker and was banned previously

I wouldn't visit any club which had lax membership vetting. And if I wouldn't, then I am kind of certain that most other women wouldn't either. And if that goes on, suddenly there will be an explosion of Gay saunas in the swinging world

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By *VBethTV/TS over a year ago

Chester

If it's the club I'm thinking of, yes it is used for identification. And it's nice to see that people can create a paragraph describing themselves. This helps the club avoid the drooling Neanderthals who stand in the corner grunting "minge" all night and scratching their ankles without bending down.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

I hope that the membership gets rejected if that one solitary paragraph is scrawled with, "me wanna f**k"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh yes, because there's no way that a sexually predatory Neanderthal could ever string a few sentences together if it meant 'increased access to pussy'...

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

Oh yes, because there's no way that a sexually predatory Neanderthal could ever string a few sentences together if it meant 'increased access to pussy'..."

Maybe they can; but it is a useful filter for those who can't or for those who cannot understand the difference between a swingers club and a brothel or for those who have a sense of entitlement

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

None of the members of the club in London feel that the membership policy is an issue, so what's the point again ?

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By *VBethTV/TS over a year ago

Chester

I thought the point was that private members clubs are perfectly entitled to choose who they allow in.

And asking for an ID pic that's not photoshopped is also perfectly acceptable. I had to disclose my male name and ID when I joined and god knows I'm not exactly a male model. I was accepted though.... because I had simply done as requested.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'd love to be able to scratch my ankles without bending down!

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By *irty130Couple over a year ago

Bristol Area

"None of the members of the club in London feel that the membership policy is an issue, so what's the point again ?"

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By *rfun OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"None of the members of the club in London feel that the membership policy is an issue, so what's the point again ?"
why should the club force single guys to provide body shot is the point. Don't see it for the ladies?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"None of the members of the club in London feel that the membership policy is an issue, so what's the point again ? why should the club force single guys to provide body shot is the point. Don't see it for the ladies?"

Because economies based on free market enterprise rely on supply and demand.

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By *is_Collared_SubWoman over a year ago

London

Heaven Circle and KK are selective, I believe Verboten is too. There any many other private parties like this.

They're not that strict though, if you're moderately attractive you'll be let in. If you're out of shape, above 45, you won't be.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

""I don't care to belong to any club that will have me as a member"

Way to subtle, but very good ; )

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

I had to recently for a London club

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

The only one we know of is Le Boudoir in London. They require exactly the same info for single men, single women and couples.

What is the club that only wants male pics?

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By *is_Collared_SubWoman over a year ago

London

Le boudoir isn't really selective, I've seen all sorts of people in there

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By *orthwest_cplCouple over a year ago

Stretford

This thread is a storm in a tea cup.

We've been to over 40 different clubs here and abroad. None of them have required applying to join beforehand. Some, but not many, have asked for photo id before entering. Vetting of single guys at a normal club is more likely to be on attitude than looks or age.

The places that are vetting on age or looks appear to be the private parties like KK but not regular clubs. They charge top dollar for a night with other people who are willing to be vetted.

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By *rfun OP Man over a year ago

Southampton

"This thread is a storm in a tea cup.

The places that are vetting on age or looks appear to be the private parties like KK but not regular clubs. They charge top dollar for a night with other people who are willing to be vetted."
: ok so the real club that those extact words have been extracted from is the s club in slough. So a club in the uk does ask for body pics from single guys..but why not cpls? Or fems? If anywhere else did that they would be pulled up right away.

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By *he PlaygroundsCouple over a year ago

Somewhere Over The Rainbow

"This thread is a storm in a tea cup.

The places that are vetting on age or looks appear to be the private parties like KK but not regular clubs. They charge top dollar for a night with other people who are willing to be vetted. : ok so the real club that those extact words have been extracted from is the s club in slough. So a club in the uk does ask for body pics from single guys..but why not cpls? Or fems? If anywhere else did that they would be pulled up right away."

We run parties at S-private-club and have always found them to be 100%fair with their membership policies. Yes they ask for a picture of single guys from waist up. Not to see if they are fit or buff as some people may assume but to see if the picture they send matches the photo id they bring . Its a way of making sure the single guy is who he says it is. It is a well known fact that lots of clubs are over run with single guys and Annie and Sam do not want the same to happen to their club so numbers are always as even as its possible to achieve. They have never declined a membership request based on what someone looks like.couples and single females have to produce photo id when they apply also.

Every club has their own rules, and every membership club has their own selection policies. That is their right as club owners. We have always found annie and sam to be 100% fair to everyone.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"This thread is a storm in a tea cup.

The places that are vetting on age or looks appear to be the private parties like KK but not regular clubs. They charge top dollar for a night with other people who are willing to be vetted. : ok so the real club that those extact words have been extracted from is the s club in slough. So a club in the uk does ask for body pics from single guys..but why not cpls? Or fems? If anywhere else did that they would be pulled up right away."

Pulled up right away by who? Killing Kittens have a very stringent acceptance policy. Most men and quite a few of the women on this thread would not get through

Again, what is the 'complaint'? Is it that single men were asked for a photograph before being accepted for membership? Most people who are banned from clubs for bad behaviour, sense of entitlement, etc, happen to be single men. Clubs need to ensure that they do not re-apply for membership and turn up on the night and cause trouble

This is a storm in a tea-cup. And frankly, I don't think that the clubs do apply any kind of stringent vetting for single men. The fact of the matter is that single men are a dime a dozen in the swinging world. If I attend a venue more than twice and all I find is fat old men, then that is the last time I go there

Clubs have to limit the number of single men attending on the night otherwise the couples and single women would stop attending. I don't want to see three men to every women in a club. It find that to be a very intimidating atmosphere

The club you mentioned actually does not base their acceptance policy on what a guy looks like. I have seen all sorts of men there

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By *ikeC81Man over a year ago

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An interesting thread

I am 35 year old male that is slightly overweight, slobs about in tracksuit bottoms and hoods and goes to football

Or I am 35 year old male, that goes to the gym 3 times a week, can do a 5km in less than 28 mins, wears suits and ties, and accountant

Now both are me. The first one wouldn't get in to many clubs but the second one would.

Perception in the swinging world is a big thing. Personally I would be nervous about sending a face pic, and a chest pic because I am slightly overweight and I look like a miserable fucker

However yes, I can fuck, and yes I have got a bloody good sense of humour and I am polite and genuine as my veris attest to.

People shouldn't always judge a book by its cover

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

"An interesting thread

I am 35 year old male that is slightly overweight, slobs about in tracksuit bottoms and hoods and goes to football

Or I am 35 year old male, that goes to the gym 3 times a week, can do a 5km in less than 28 mins, wears suits and ties, and accountant

Now both are me. The first one wouldn't get in to many clubs but the second one would.

Perception in the swinging world is a big thing. Personally I would be nervous about sending a face pic, and a chest pic because I am slightly overweight and I look like a miserable fucker

However yes, I can fuck, and yes I have got a bloody good sense of humour and I am polite and genuine as my veris attest to.

People shouldn't always judge a book by its cover "

The thread has yet to find a club with an anti-male vetting policy. It is a storm in a tea-cup for the eager-to-be-wronged. Forget it, go and have fun

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What's the best club for newbies would you lot say?!?

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By *ikeC81Man over a year ago

harrow

"An interesting thread

I am 35 year old male that is slightly overweight, slobs about in tracksuit bottoms and hoods and goes to football

Or I am 35 year old male, that goes to the gym 3 times a week, can do a 5km in less than 28 mins, wears suits and ties, and accountant

Now both are me. The first one wouldn't get in to many clubs but the second one would.

Perception in the swinging world is a big thing. Personally I would be nervous about sending a face pic, and a chest pic because I am slightly overweight and I look like a miserable fucker

However yes, I can fuck, and yes I have got a bloody good sense of humour and I am polite and genuine as my veris attest to.

People shouldn't always judge a book by its cover

The thread has yet to find a club with an anti-male vetting policy. It is a storm in a tea-cup for the eager-to-be-wronged. Forget it, go and have fun

Ahhhhh now that I can manage

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