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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Be aware people that if you park outside a club that the cctv that is clearly trained on your car isn't likely to be made available to help you catch the idiot who crashes into it.
The greenhouse sauna just told me they haven't got the footage. Even though my car was clearly visible on the tv in the club.
Owned by the same people who own chameleons.
Fuming doesn't begin to describe how I feel right now. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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They've spent two weeks saying they hadn't had time to look. Seemed positive that their system was awesome and they were confident they could say who'd hit my car.
Management meeting today. Big boss there and they call me to say they can't help. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They've spent two weeks saying they hadn't had time to look. Seemed positive that their system was awesome and they were confident they could say who'd hit my car.
Management meeting today. Big boss there and they call me to say they can't help. "
if you know a friendly solicitor you could get them to ask or ask police to ask them  |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke |
I know this doesn't help you but . . . or perhaps it will.
It is an offence to for a commercial company to share CCTV material with a member of the public where it clearly shows another member of the public as it breaches their right of privacy. They may share an individuals footage of you and only you.
The venue being a swingers club would make the owners be ever more protective of that 'data'.
On a commercial premises the Police have the right to footage on demand - where on a private CCTV system they have no such right and would need a Magistrates warrant to secure it.
In either case you would never see that footage yourself - Only the Police would to determine whether or not a criminal offence was committed. As there is no criminal offence because nobody was injured that would be unlikely.
A breach of date protection for the business would be £5000 an offence.
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke |
"I know this doesn't help you but . . . or perhaps it will.
It is an offence to for a commercial company to share CCTV material with a member of the public where it clearly shows another member of the public as it breaches their right of privacy. They may share an individuals footage of you and only you.
The venue being a swingers club would make the owners be ever more protective of that 'data'.
On a commercial premises the Police have the right to footage on demand - where on a private CCTV system they have no such right and would need a Magistrates warrant to secure it.
In either case you would never see that footage yourself - Only the Police would to determine whether or not a criminal offence was committed. As there is no criminal offence because nobody was injured that would be unlikely.
A breach of date protection for the business would be £5000 an offence.
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ooops typo' Read 'date' as 'data.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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weve been members of chams for yrs and always found the staff there to be helpful and polite,the chams carpark has camera`s and an attendant, i dont know about the greenhouse, but i`d be suprised if they didnt help if it was in any way possible to identify the culprit, having said that most places you park at your own risk |
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"I know this doesn't help you but . . . or perhaps it will.
It is an offence to for a commercial company to share CCTV material with a member of the public where it clearly shows another member of the public as it breaches their right of privacy."
This is the Jeremy Corbyn defence isn't it?
One car smashing into another one though, won't show a person. I'm not sure that the same defence applies.
If the Greenhouse has the footage, and if they have time to find it, then they have the option of sending a copy of it, as good neighbourly citizens, to the Police as evidence of a "hit and run". The Police can then tie up the crime report from the OP and the video evidence, and progress can be made...hopefully. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I guess I need to report it to the police as a leaving the scene of an accident or criminal damage perhaps.
The damage is quite high on the car so not just an ordinary car.
I do kind of wonder if it was deliberate as the car was there several days even with the carpark completely empty as I stayed there.
If I mention that possibility perhaps the police may show interest? |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke |
"I know this doesn't help you but . . . or perhaps it will.
It is an offence to for a commercial company to share CCTV material with a member of the public where it clearly shows another member of the public as it breaches their right of privacy.
This is the Jeremy Corbyn defence isn't it?
One car smashing into another one though, won't show a person. I'm not sure that the same defence applies.
If the Greenhouse has the footage, and if they have time to find it, then they have the option of sending a copy of it, as good neighbourly citizens, to the Police as evidence of a "hit and run". The Police can then tie up the crime report from the OP and the video evidence, and progress can be made...hopefully."
I think you are skimming right across my point somewhat.
I am stating the the facts of CCTV law and it's use with regard to public access.
The Police would most likely return the CCTV footage and tell the company that it is a civil issue
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke |
"I guess I need to report it to the police as a leaving the scene of an accident or criminal damage perhaps.
The damage is quite high on the car so not just an ordinary car.
I do kind of wonder if it was deliberate as the car was there several days even with the carpark completely empty as I stayed there.
If I mention that possibility perhaps the police may show interest? "
The best way is simply to ask the Police and see what they say.
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"I guess I need to report it to the police as a leaving the scene of an accident or criminal damage perhaps.
The damage is quite high on the car so not just an ordinary car.
I do kind of wonder if it was deliberate as the car was there several days even with the carpark completely empty as I stayed there.
If I mention that possibility perhaps the police may show interest? "
This happened to me outside a local shop. I had to ask the police to go to check the cctv . The insurance company suggested it to me and the police were more than willing and helpful. Hope you get it sorted. Some business' have to keep the cctv evidence for longer some tapeover after 24hours, so not sure which would apply Good luck ,definitely ask the police. |
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"The Police would most likely return the CCTV footage and tell the company that it is a civil issue
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Getting the compensation will be a civil issue, one that the insurance company will do once they know who to recover their money from.
"Failing to stop and report" is a criminal offence which the Police should pursue, and usually do. And of course when they do, they will expose the identity of the culprit, which in turn lets the insurnance company get after him/her as well. |
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"I know this doesn't help you but . . . or perhaps it will.
It is an offence to for a commercial company to share CCTV material with a member of the public where it clearly shows another member of the public as it breaches their right of privacy. They may share an individuals footage of you and only you.
The venue being a swingers club would make the owners be ever more protective of that 'data'.
On a commercial premises the Police have the right to footage on demand - where on a private CCTV system they have no such right and would need a Magistrates warrant to secure it.
In either case you would never see that footage yourself - Only the Police would to determine whether or not a criminal offence was committed. As there is no criminal offence because nobody was injured that would be unlikely.
A breach of date protection for the business would be £5000 an offence.
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Was going to type same . Well written and explained x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I know this doesn't help you but . . . or perhaps it will.
It is an offence to for a commercial company to share CCTV material with a member of the public where it clearly shows another member of the public as it breaches their right of privacy.
This is the Jeremy Corbyn defence isn't it?
One car smashing into another one though, won't show a person. I'm not sure that the same defence applies.
If the Greenhouse has the footage, and if they have time to find it, then they have the option of sending a copy of it, as good neighbourly citizens, to the Police as evidence of a "hit and run". The Police can then tie up the crime report from the OP and the video evidence, and progress can be made...hopefully.
I think you are skimming right across my point somewhat.
I am stating the the facts of CCTV law and it's use with regard to public access.
The Police would most likely return the CCTV footage and tell the company that it is a civil issue
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Privacy law applies where a person has no reasonable expectation of privacy. You do not have this on a public road. Neither do they have one on a train for that matter. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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OP have you checked the car park for any disclaimer notice on display?
If not you can claim against the club.
Is this car park on private or public land?
If it is on private land then it will possibly the same outcome as I have suffered in the past
Personal experience on this when a car backed out of it's space as I was passing it done a good bit of damage to the door the other drivers insurance company wouldn't pay out as it was a private car park. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just another thought - most CCTV systems have a two week cycle - it overwrites after two weeks. "
It all comes down to how many cameras are recording, and at what quality and the capacity of hard drive. |
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"I know this doesn't help you but . . . or perhaps it will.
It is an offence to for a commercial company to share CCTV material with a member of the public where it clearly shows another member of the public as it breaches their right of privacy.
This is the Jeremy Corbyn defence isn't it?
One car smashing into another one though, won't show a person. I'm not sure that the same defence applies.
If the Greenhouse has the footage, and if they have time to find it, then they have the option of sending a copy of it, as good neighbourly citizens, to the Police as evidence of a "hit and run". The Police can then tie up the crime report from the OP and the video evidence, and progress can be made...hopefully."
It does - you need a court order. And most cctv is wiped after 30 days |
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I would assume it would be classed as private land unless it's registered as a commercial premises in which there would be licensing issues and all the other bad stuff that clubs have to deal with.
Now if the club has a sign indoors at the reception stating that the management accept no responsibility damage or theft on the property would this cover the car park area also? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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doesn't help much now but how about buying front and rear dash cams that have a motion sensor so that when the car is parked and the cameras have "gone to sleep" they waken on impact or movement? |
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We are regulars at Chameleons so our comments only apply to there but as Chams and The Greenhouse have the same owner the same conditions may apply.
When we expressed concern about our private comings and goings at Chams being stored on a cctv hard drive we were assured that the footage is wiped every day.
The cameras are only there for the security of the club not for the benefit of the patrons.
We have just installed a system at premises we own and know that it takes quite a long time to search through a few days footage as we recently needed to establish whether an attempt had been made to deliver a package as claimed by the delivery driver.
It is very annoying to have damage to your property but its not the responsibility of the club. It depends on how good a customer you are as to whether the management are prepared to spend time helping on what in the end may turn out to be a fruitless search. |
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By *horeyMan
over a year ago
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Don't know the particular venue; so can't comment on whether the car park etc is fully public or private land; but generally you have a right to see CCTV footage that contains your image or something that identifies you (eg car licence plate).
See https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/cctv/
Normally you would send a 'Subject Access Request' to the company asking for a copy of the footage and they legally have to provide it. They should however anonymise anyone else that can be identified in the footage before releasing it to you.
Disclaimer signs aren't worth the paper they are printed on...they're just a deterrent to try and stop people making a claim. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know this doesn't help you but . . . or perhaps it will.
It is an offence to for a commercial company to share CCTV material with a member of the public where it clearly shows another member of the public as it breaches their right of privacy. They may share an individuals footage of you and only you.
The venue being a swingers club would make the owners be ever more protective of that 'data'.
On a commercial premises the Police have the right to footage on demand - where on a private CCTV system they have no such right and would need a Magistrates warrant to secure it.
In either case you would never see that footage yourself - Only the Police would to determine whether or not a criminal offence was committed. As there is no criminal offence because nobody was injured that would be unlikely.
A breach of date protection for the business would be £5000 an offence.
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Driving away from a crash is criminal offence? |
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By *-and-aCouple
over a year ago
Closer than you think |
"I know this doesn't help you but . . . or perhaps it will.
It is an offence to for a commercial company to share CCTV material with a member of the public where it clearly shows another member of the public as it breaches their right of privacy. They may share an individuals footage of you and only you.
The venue being a swingers club would make the owners be ever more protective of that 'data'.
On a commercial premises the Police have the right to footage on demand - where on a private CCTV system they have no such right and would need a Magistrates warrant to secure it.
In either case you would never see that footage yourself - Only the Police would to determine whether or not a criminal offence was committed. As there is no criminal offence because nobody was injured that would be unlikely.
A breach of date protection for the business would be £5000 an offence.
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Tosh! Who told you this?? |
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"Don't know the particular venue; so can't comment on whether the car park etc is fully public or private land; but generally you have a right to see CCTV footage that contains your image or something that identifies you (eg car licence plate).
See https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/cctv/
Normally you would send a 'Subject Access Request' to the company asking for a copy of the footage and they legally have to provide it. They should however anonymise anyone else that can be identified in the footage before releasing it to you.
Disclaimer signs aren't worth the paper they are printed on...they're just a deterrent to try and stop people making a claim."
Who the fuck are ICO??? |
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"Don't know the particular venue; so can't comment on whether the car park etc is fully public or private land; but generally you have a right to see CCTV footage that contains your image or something that identifies you (eg car licence plate).
See https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/cctv/
Normally you would send a 'Subject Access Request' to the company asking for a copy of the footage and they legally have to provide it. They should however anonymise anyone else that can be identified in the footage before releasing it to you.
Disclaimer signs aren't worth the paper they are printed on...they're just a deterrent to try and stop people making a claim.
Who the fuck are ICO???"
Btw I know I've just rarely come across such an undirected group of individuals .... |
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Under licensing law as of a premise....performace of music, provision of hot drinks between certain hours and supply, (not sale), of alcohol then it is normal for the local licencing authority to impose cctv and thence data protection requirements perhaps this provides an alternative route ? No compliance .......no licence ......no club perhaps that might encourage the club to cooperate? |
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