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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Just seen this in the local paper
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/stanwell-spa-defeated-latest-sex-11683204
Is this for real?
I do hope not!"
Yes apparently as others have said
They were appealing a closure judgement and have failed  |
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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago
harrow |
Whilst I like Abfabs and Kestrals - if they did not adhere to planning permission then unfortunately they can't complain - if it does go which will be a shame - tbh the club and are around it is not in a hugely residential area compared to other clubs and it does brings a lot of business to local pub |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Whilst I like Abfabs and Kestrals - if they did not adhere to planning permission then unfortunately they can't complain - if it does go which will be a shame - tbh the club and are around it is not in a hugely residential area compared to other clubs and it does brings a lot of business to local pub "
This is true, outside of the bubble of fab the general public does not like swingers and there are people looking for any excuse to close down a swingers club.
On the other hand the council are very bigoted and never would have given permission in the first place so better to have done what they did than it never having existed at all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Whilst I like Abfabs and Kestrals - if they did not adhere to planning permission then unfortunately they can't complain - if it does go which will be a shame - tbh the club and are around it is not in a hugely residential area compared to other clubs and it does brings a lot of business to local pub "
I have to agree - I've never been but I know it is a very popular venue. BUT! If they haven't followed proper planning regulations as they expanded then they can have no complaints I think. We might all be up in arms as it's a popular swinging venue, but that doesn't make them exempt from the rules that everyone else has to adhere to. I hope that the venture can either secure the necessary permits or relocate nearby with appropriate authority as it will be a shame to see this facility lost for good  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Whilst I like Abfabs and Kestrals - if they did not adhere to planning permission then unfortunately they can't complain - if it does go which will be a shame - tbh the club and are around it is not in a hugely residential area compared to other clubs and it does brings a lot of business to local pub
I have to agree - I've never been but I know it is a very popular venue. BUT! If they haven't followed proper planning regulations as they expanded then they can have no complaints I think. We might all be up in arms as it's a popular swinging venue, but that doesn't make them exempt from the rules that everyone else has to adhere to. I hope that the venture can either secure the necessary permits or relocate nearby with appropriate authority as it will be a shame to see this facility lost for good "
You assume everyone gets equal treatment if they try and follow the rules. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There was no intention from the club re breaching planning, sadly one of the owners had passed away and Graham another owner has been quoted in the article if people read it! The club does bring badly needed revenue to the local shops, provides employment and yes the road is residential but up the other end, the kestrels end is mainly commercial. Best thing to do is keep going and swell the coffers, that's what we'll do. |
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By *manda63Woman
over a year ago
Southampton |
"Whilst I like Abfabs and Kestrals - if they did not adhere to planning permission then unfortunately they can't complain - if it does go which will be a shame - tbh the club and are around it is not in a hugely residential area compared to other clubs and it does brings a lot of business to local pub
This is true, outside of the bubble of fab the general public does not like swingers and there are people looking for any excuse to close down a swingers club.
On the other hand the council are very bigoted and never would have given permission in the first place so better to have done what they did than it never having existed at all. "
I (Maria) have never been to any clubs but cannot understand any council's thinking behind closing down places but I don't know why they are being closed down in this case. Where I live, its all residential apart from the usual corner shops and a few shops along the main road, since I was quite young among these shops have been two sex shops, for at least 40 years, children have to walk past these shops to go to school or get home or to the local park, there has never been any trouble to my knowledge but why they were allowed to be there is beyond me. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Whilst I like Abfabs and Kestrals - if they did not adhere to planning permission then unfortunately they can't complain - if it does go which will be a shame - tbh the club and are around it is not in a hugely residential area compared to other clubs and it does brings a lot of business to local pub
This is true, outside of the bubble of fab the general public does not like swingers and there are people looking for any excuse to close down a swingers club.
On the other hand the council are very bigoted and never would have given permission in the first place so better to have done what they did than it never having existed at all.
I (Maria) have never been to any clubs but cannot understand any council's thinking behind closing down places "
Really? You don't think that some people consider some forms of business to be undesirable? |
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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago
harrow |
"There was no intention from the club re breaching planning, sadly one of the owners had passed away and Graham another owner has been quoted in the article if people read it! The club does bring badly needed revenue to the local shops, provides employment and yes the road is residential but up the other end, the kestrels end is mainly commercial. Best thing to do is keep going and swell the coffers, that's what we'll do. "
But at the end of the day he is now the owner and if he did not re apply for planning permission the club has not got a leg to stand on
I agree that the club is not in a residential area at all, one side is Heathrow and the main road but councils will find any excuse to close such locations down
I personally think it should stay open but again rules are rules |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I do hope it manages to stay open especially as there isn't anywhere like it within a similarly easy commute for me. Best to try and make the most of it in the meantime.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There was no intention from the club re breaching planning, sadly one of the owners had passed away and Graham another owner has been quoted in the article if people read it! The club does bring badly needed revenue to the local shops, provides employment and yes the road is residential but up the other end, the kestrels end is mainly commercial. Best thing to do is keep going and swell the coffers, that's what we'll do.
But at the end of the day he is now the owner and if he did not re apply for planning permission the club has not got a leg to stand on
I agree that the club is not in a residential area at all, one side is Heathrow and the main road but councils will find any excuse to close such locations down
I personally think it should stay open but again rules are rules "
Fuck 'em, and their law |
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As a semi regular there, i hope Abfabs/kestrels can remain open.
There were mistakes made, as I understand it with regard to change of status of the stables (now the dungeon area) and the wooden outbuildings. Nothing that could not be sorted if the council treated Kestrels like any other business.
However the general public does frown upon us swingers. Just look at recent selacious stories in the Sut and Star. That is what most people think of us.
Despite local businesses and residents near Kestrels not even realising the nature if the business, the council has actively tried to scupper Kestrels and to put them out of business. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Hope they are knocked down and turned in to a religious place where hate can be preached.
Bet the councillors made many visits enjoying themselves before cuming to a decision. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
Wembley |
"Whilst I like Abfabs and Kestrals - if they did not adhere to planning permission then unfortunately they can't complain - if it does go which will be a shame - tbh the club and are around it is not in a hugely residential area compared to other clubs and it does brings a lot of business to local pub
This is true, outside of the bubble of fab the general public does not like swingers and there are people looking for any excuse to close down a swingers club.
On the other hand the council are very bigoted and never would have given permission in the first place so better to have done what they did than it never having existed at all.
I (Maria) have never been to any clubs but cannot understand any council's thinking behind closing down places
Really? You don't think that some people consider some forms of business to be undesirable? "
off-licences, pubs |
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"Just a thought, if they expand Heathrow towards the M25, won't that whole village dissappear anyway?
No they want to build north not west. Sipson will go not Stanwell "
Thought the plan evolved expanding over the M25 and making that whole stretch to the west of the airport a tunnel? Surely that'd take out Stanwell Moor too? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Still they could always take it to the European Court of human... oh yeah oops.
Are you all telling me that everyone here voted IN just so we could keep Kestrels open?"
I made the mistake of reading the actual ruling from the High Court case. The detail made my eyes glaze but l came away with the view Kestrels did not have a leg to stand on in law. However it was clear that the change of use was actually the weakest point given the right to use for hydro pods therapy. The Council was relying on the changes made to the site were inappropriate for the green belt and should be removed and the site returned to residential use. Given that Heathrow is just down the road and may be expanded into the greenbelt and that there is industry within a couple of hundred yards of Kestrels, the protest that the case was nothing to do with it being used for swinging seemed hollow and just made the case seem vindictive.
However l am not a lawyer and may have misread the case. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Still they could always take it to the European Court of human... oh yeah oops.
Are you all telling me that everyone here voted IN just so we could keep Kestrels open?"
I made the mistake of reading the actual ruling from the High Court case. The detail made my eyes glaze but l came away with the view Kestrels did not have a leg to stand on in law. However it was clear that the change of use was actually the weakest point given the right to use for hydro pods therapy. The Council was relying on the changes made to the site were inappropriate for the green belt and should be removed and the site returned to residential use. Given that Heathrow is just down the road and may be expanded into the greenbelt and that there is industry within a couple of hundred yards of Kestrels, the protest that the case was nothing to do with it being used for swinging seemed hollow and just made the case seem vindictive.
However l am not a lawyer and may have misread the case. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Still they could always take it to the European Court of human... oh yeah oops.
Are you all telling me that everyone here voted IN just so we could keep Kestrels open?
I made the mistake of reading the actual ruling from the High Court case. The detail made my eyes glaze but l came away with the view Kestrels did not have a leg to stand on in law. However it was clear that the change of use was actually the weakest point given the right to use for hydro pods therapy. The Council was relying on the changes made to the site were inappropriate for the green belt and should be removed and the site returned to residential use. Given that Heathrow is just down the road and may be expanded into the greenbelt and that there is industry within a couple of hundred yards of Kestrels, the protest that the case was nothing to do with it being used for swinging seemed hollow and just made the case seem vindictive.
However l am not a lawyer and may have misread the case."
You could have just read the newspaper reports where the council are quoted as saying they are determined to shut it down because of what it is. |
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I hope it doesn't close as I'm a regular visitor and have made a lot of friends there. I'll be gutted as its the closest club to me fingers crossed kestrels / ab Fabs can continue to fight and ne successful xx |
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"I hope it doesn't close as I'm a regular visitor and have made a lot of friends there. I'll be gutted as its the closest club to me fingers crossed kestrels / ab Fabs can continue to fight and ne successful xx"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Still they could always take it to the European Court of human... oh yeah oops.
Are you all telling me that everyone here voted IN just so we could keep Kestrels open?
I made the mistake of reading the actual ruling from the High Court case. The detail made my eyes glaze but l came away with the view Kestrels did not have a leg to stand on in law. However it was clear that the change of use was actually the weakest point given the right to use for hydro pods therapy. The Council was relying on the changes made to the site were inappropriate for the green belt and should be removed and the site returned to residential use. Given that Heathrow is just down the road and may be expanded into the greenbelt and that there is industry within a couple of hundred yards of Kestrels, the protest that the case was nothing to do with it being used for swinging seemed hollow and just made the case seem vindictive.
However l am not a lawyer and may have misread the case.
You could have just read the newspaper reports where the council are quoted as saying they are determined to shut it down because of what it is. "
Relying on newspapers to be accurate is like relying on the withdrawal system to prevent pregnancy.
It was good bed time reading and quicker than counting sheep. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This is terrible news! As a regular, I truly hope that any wrinkles can be ironed out, and we can all continue to have the fun and safe times we have all experienced at Kestrels/Ab Fabs!
It's just a bit silly that actual nightclubs which have been associated with serious assault and even death remain open, but a private adult venue such as Kestrels remains the biggest part of their concern. Priorities mixed up much? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There was no intention from the club re breaching planning, sadly one of the owners had passed away and Graham another owner has been quoted in the article if people read it! The club does bring badly needed revenue to the local shops, provides employment and yes the road is residential but up the other end, the kestrels end is mainly commercial. Best thing to do is keep going and swell the coffers, that's what we'll do.
But at the end of the day he is now the owner and if he did not re apply for planning permission the club has not got a leg to stand on
I agree that the club is not in a residential area at all, one side is Heathrow and the main road but councils will find any excuse to close such locations down
I personally think it should stay open but again rules are rules
Fuck 'em, and their law"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There was no intention from the club re breaching planning, sadly one of the owners had passed away and Graham another owner has been quoted in the article if people read it! The club does bring badly needed revenue to the local shops, provides employment and yes the road is residential but up the other end, the kestrels end is mainly commercial. Best thing to do is keep going and swell the coffers, that's what we'll do.
But at the end of the day he is now the owner and if he did not re apply for planning permission the club has not got a leg to stand on
I agree that the club is not in a residential area at all, one side is Heathrow and the main road but councils will find any excuse to close such locations down
I personally think it should stay open but again rules are rules "
There is hope the club continues in whatever form and the council seemed to have jump when Graham and the team had other things on their mind such as the loss of their friend, the other owner. |
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"There was no intention from the club re breaching planning, sadly one of the owners had passed away and Graham another owner has been quoted in the article if people read it! The club does bring badly needed revenue to the local shops, provides employment and yes the road is residential but up the other end, the kestrels end is mainly commercial. Best thing to do is keep going and swell the coffers, that's what we'll do. "
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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago
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"There was no intention from the club re breaching planning, sadly one of the owners had passed away and Graham another owner has been quoted in the article if people read it! The club does bring badly needed revenue to the local shops, provides employment and yes the road is residential but up the other end, the kestrels end is mainly commercial. Best thing to do is keep going and swell the coffers, that's what we'll do. "
From what I seen printed at other times, the site was more akin to a scrap yard before it became what it is now! I`ve also seen somewhere that the council want it returned to industrial use! Don`t quote me though as I may be wrong! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Still they could always take it to the European Court of human... oh yeah oops.
Are you all telling me that everyone here voted IN just so we could keep Kestrels open?
I made the mistake of reading the actual ruling from the High Court case. The detail made my eyes glaze but l came away with the view Kestrels did not have a leg to stand on in law. However it was clear that the change of use was actually the weakest point given the right to use for hydro pods therapy. The Council was relying on the changes made to the site were inappropriate for the green belt and should be removed and the site returned to residential use. Given that Heathrow is just down the road and may be expanded into the greenbelt and that there is industry within a couple of hundred yards of Kestrels, the protest that the case was nothing to do with it being used for swinging seemed hollow and just made the case seem vindictive.
However l am not a lawyer and may have misread the case.
You could have just read the newspaper reports where the council are quoted as saying they are determined to shut it down because of what it is.
Relying on newspapers to be accurate is like relying on the withdrawal system to prevent pregnancy.
It was good bed time reading and quicker than counting sheep. "
The problem with newspapers is generally their poor analysis of situations. They don't tend to quote verbatim things that weren't said, even if they may exclude context at times. |
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It's just a bit silly that actual nightclubs which have been associated with serious assault and even death remain open, but a private adult venue such as Kestrels remains the biggest part of their concern. Priorities mixed up much? "
While I agree, society in general does not.
In my teenage years one of my friends got involved in hard drugs and group sex. When it was discovered, her family and friends were more upset, worried and outraged about the group sex than the hard drugs!
I could not understand that then and do not now...but the view is not entirelt atypical. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's just a bit silly that actual nightclubs which have been associated with serious assault and even death remain open, but a private adult venue such as Kestrels remains the biggest part of their concern. Priorities mixed up much?
While I agree, society in general does not.
In my teenage years one of my friends got involved in hard drugs and group sex. When it was discovered, her family and friends were more upset, worried and outraged about the group sex than the hard drugs!
I could not understand that then and do not now...but the view is not entirelt atypical."
Apparently we develop most of our attitudes about sex, before we have it (i.e before the age of 12) based on social clues handed down to us by out parents about good, clean, proper behaviour.
So if people are irrationally stupid about sex then you can literally blame their parents. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Whilst I like Abfabs and Kestrals - if they did not adhere to planning permission then unfortunately they can't complain - if it does go which will be a shame - tbh the club and are around it is not in a hugely residential area compared to other clubs and it does brings a lot of business to local pub
I have to agree - I've never been but I know it is a very popular venue. BUT! If they haven't followed proper planning regulations as they expanded then they can have no complaints I think. We might all be up in arms as it's a popular swinging venue, but that doesn't make them exempt from the rules that everyone else has to adhere to. I hope that the venture can either secure the necessary permits or relocate nearby with appropriate authority as it will be a shame to see this facility lost for good "
Maybe they need to employ the services of a planning consultant ah em!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Still they could always take it to the European Court of human... oh yeah oops.
Are you all telling me that everyone here voted IN just so we could keep Kestrels open?"
Good God man can you not tell a tongue in cheek comment.  |
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"Still they could always take it to the European Court of human... oh yeah oops.
Are you all telling me that everyone here voted IN just so we could keep Kestrels open?
Good God man can you not tell a tongue in cheek comment. "
Yeah, sorry, I forgot to put a "lol" on the end of my last statement. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Does anyone actually know if there is a confirmed closing date yet?
Can't seem to find any information other than newspaper reports.
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I don't think there's a date yet. The owners say they intend to appeal to the next level up in the court system, the closure won't be enforced while the appeal process is ongoing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The official line is they have 365 days from the appeal rejection to close but they will carry on trading as normal and will put in another appeal before this date is up.
The reason the council have kicked up a stink is because Kestrels asked the council to inspect so it can be reclassed as a business to pay business rates so they are doing things properly but someone at the council got the hump and this is why this has happened!
This was started over 5 years ago and they are still going strong! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Please guys this club may have lost its appeal but it is not the end of the road yet !!!!! Business still as usual and there will be the next stage of appeal .... come on guys this clubs need you nod any help it can get SUPPORT X |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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cant we get some of the girls over to the council and have some fun with them so they see how good we all are, ohhh and some pics for blackmailing too ha ha |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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More to the point if someone asked the council how much money they have spent on this vendetta against Kestrels which is a business that employs people,pays taxes and brings people into the village to spend money.
Its pathetic behaviour - if they had to be seen to do something they could have fined them and imposed some new regulations. It's a witch hunt - nothing more, nothing less. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's not really about what goes on at kestrels it's more about the buildings and the green belt land .... So just need a judge that understands for kestrels and not the way the council slyly oppose to the erected buildings which have already been standing the 4 year rule |
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By *manda63Woman
over a year ago
Southampton |
"Whilst I like Abfabs and Kestrals - if they did not adhere to planning permission then unfortunately they can't complain - if it does go which will be a shame - tbh the club and are around it is not in a hugely residential area compared to other clubs and it does brings a lot of business to local pub
This is true, outside of the bubble of fab the general public does not like swingers and there are people looking for any excuse to close down a swingers club.
On the other hand the council are very bigoted and never would have given permission in the first place so better to have done what they did than it never having existed at all.
I (Maria) have never been to any clubs but cannot understand any council's thinking behind closing down places
Really? You don't think that some people consider some forms of business to be undesirable? "
Sounds like you consider it undesirable. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Please guys this club may have lost its appeal but it is not the end of the road yet !!!!! Business still as usual and there will be the next stage of appeal .... come on guys this clubs need you nod any help it can get SUPPORT X"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Well we supporting the cause and going today...... just to show support and all that..... honest!  great pic's.
Nipples like my Jools.
Very suckable. "
Oh yes they are!!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Whilst I like Abfabs and Kestrals - if they did not adhere to planning permission then unfortunately they can't complain - if it does go which will be a shame - tbh the club and are around it is not in a hugely residential area compared to other clubs and it does brings a lot of business to local pub
This is true, outside of the bubble of fab the general public does not like swingers and there are people looking for any excuse to close down a swingers club.
On the other hand the council are very bigoted and never would have given permission in the first place so better to have done what they did than it never having existed at all.
I (Maria) have never been to any clubs but cannot understand any council's thinking behind closing down places
Really? You don't think that some people consider some forms of business to be undesirable?
Sounds like you consider it undesirable. "
What a stupid thing to say, we go there a lot.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I googled it and the dates don't seem to match, 29 apr 2015? Or have it taken a year to get to the decision?
The main post is dated today. You have clicked on the links for previous reports."
I see and that is right, so if they wouldn't have wanted that dungeon, would it all be fine? |
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