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"Really ..... Isnt smoking a bit out dated now ????.....uuuurgh ... " It's a Fetish..nothing to do with the habit/addiction. Some find smoking Fetish very erotic | |||
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"fetish wise ,does vaping have the same appeal as smoking ? " think that's all down to personal choice, I think so most don't | |||
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"fetish wise ,does vaping have the same appeal as smoking ? " When I go on cam on here I'm usually vaping and I get more messages about me vaping/exhaling on cam than anything. So I think some people still like it. | |||
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"I just want to stress to the readers that this would be a private hire and not a public event, so we are not all of a sudden allowing smoking on our premises!!!! We have niche Fetish events all of the time and this would be one of them xx" i see where your at, some hotels still have smoking rooms, as you are renting a room, as people rent a house where they smoke, would have thought insurance companies put in small print dont pay out on fires caused by smoking, still see loads smoking in pub doorways if they inside the doorframe that is smoking in the premisis | |||
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"I just want to stress to the readers that this would be a private hire and not a public event, so we are not all of a sudden allowing smoking on our premises!!!! We have niche Fetish events all of the time and this would be one of them xx" Do you realise that in a comercial premises even on a private event breaches the smoking ban... PersonallyI I don't care and would attend but be careful. | |||
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"I just want to stress to the readers that this would be a private hire and not a public event, so we are not all of a sudden allowing smoking on our premises!!!! We have niche Fetish events all of the time and this would be one of them xx Do you realise that in a comercial premises even on a private event breaches the smoking ban... PersonallyI I don't care and would attend but be careful. " No sorry that is wrong. If someone privately hires our venue they are using it for their private use, like they would a house. Hotels have smoking rooms as the person is paying to use the room privately. We have had discussions with our licensing about this and there are clauses in private hire. If you privately hire but anyone can still walk in off the street, then that is different. Also the private event needs to be staffed by the owner and not a member of staff. Let's look at it a different way. A commercial premises that has a private living quarter upstairs can allow smoking in the private area but not in the public area when anyone can walk in. If you expand the private living quarter to become the whole building as part of a private party, then smoking is allowed at the discretion of the owner. It's different to other clubs who do not have a private living area upstairs; the smoking ban may still apply then but that is a convo for the licensing. Xxx | |||
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"Watching this thread with eager interest! xx" as are we, watching you lol. I did pm you yesterday | |||
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"I just want to stress to the readers that this would be a private hire and not a public event, so we are not all of a sudden allowing smoking on our premises!!!! We have niche Fetish events all of the time and this would be one of them xx Do you realise that in a comercial premises even on a private event breaches the smoking ban... PersonallyI I don't care and would attend but be careful. No sorry that is wrong. If someone privately hires our venue they are using it for their private use, like they would a house. Hotels have smoking rooms as the person is paying to use the room privately. We have had discussions with our licensing about this and there are clauses in private hire. If you privately hire but anyone can still walk in off the street, then that is different. Also the private event needs to be staffed by the owner and not a member of staff. Let's look at it a different way. A commercial premises that has a private living quarter upstairs can allow smoking in the private area but not in the public area when anyone can walk in. If you expand the private living quarter to become the whole building as part of a private party, then smoking is allowed at the discretion of the owner. It's different to other clubs who do not have a private living area upstairs; the smoking ban may still apply then but that is a convo for the licensing. Xxx" I hope you have a lot of air fresheners available because the smell of smoke does linger and might be slightly off-putting the next time the clubs open for Non-Smoking customers | |||
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"Watching this thread with eager interest! xx as are we, watching you lol. I did pm you yesterday " Thanks for the PM. Wanted to post on thread, so I can keep track of it. xx | |||
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"Watching this thread with eager interest! xx as are we, watching you lol. I did pm you yesterday Thanks for the PM. Wanted to post on thread, so I can keep track of it. that's fine I just won't be tracking this forever... xx" | |||
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"I learn something new every day in the swinging world. I never knew there was a smoking fetish. We're none smokers so can't see the attraction. But were also none judgemental, so enjoy peeps xx " Yep, no idea where it all comes from, no explanation and I was a non smoker until about 4 years ago x | |||
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"I just want to stress to the readers that this would be a private hire and not a public event, so we are not all of a sudden allowing smoking on our premises!!!! We have niche Fetish events all of the time and this would be one of them xx Do you realise that in a comercial premises even on a private event breaches the smoking ban... PersonallyI I don't care and would attend but be careful. No sorry that is wrong. If someone privately hires our venue they are using it for their private use, like they would a house. Hotels have smoking rooms as the person is paying to use the room privately. We have had discussions with our licensing about this and there are clauses in private hire. If you privately hire but anyone can still walk in off the street, then that is different. Also the private event needs to be staffed by the owner and not a member of staff. Let's look at it a different way. A commercial premises that has a private living quarter upstairs can allow smoking in the private area but not in the public area when anyone can walk in. If you expand the private living quarter to become the whole building as part of a private party, then smoking is allowed at the discretion of the owner. It's different to other clubs who do not have a private living area upstairs; the smoking ban may still apply then but that is a convo for the licensing. Xxx I hope you have a lot of air fresheners available because the smell of smoke does linger and might be slightly off-putting the next time the clubs open for Non-Smoking customers " We will most likely hold this on a Sunday when the club is then closed for a few days afterwards. It will get it's deep clean on Tuesday and a good airing in the meantime. All of the sheets get washed at the end of each event anyway, but that helps and our throws/curtains also get washed. So by the time we have our next event, everything will be fresh. We also wash our carpets every 6 months, so we usually time the smoking fetish events just before this is booked in. We are a very experienced fetish club and have handled these events on several occasions, so we are well versed. I totally get where you are coming from!!! | |||
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"I just want to stress to the readers that this would be a private hire and not a public event, so we are not all of a sudden allowing smoking on our premises!!!! We have niche Fetish events all of the time and this would be one of them xx And also this event would not be a club full of smoking and instead would be a small ish group and smoking will likely be confined to the dungeon rather than a full on stinking out every room. Do you realise that in a comercial premises even on a private event breaches the smoking ban... PersonallyI I don't care and would attend but be careful. No sorry that is wrong. If someone privately hires our venue they are using it for their private use, like they would a house. Hotels have smoking rooms as the person is paying to use the room privately. We have had discussions with our licensing about this and there are clauses in private hire. If you privately hire but anyone can still walk in off the street, then that is different. Also the private event needs to be staffed by the owner and not a member of staff. Let's look at it a different way. A commercial premises that has a private living quarter upstairs can allow smoking in the private area but not in the public area when anyone can walk in. If you expand the private living quarter to become the whole building as part of a private party, then smoking is allowed at the discretion of the owner. It's different to other clubs who do not have a private living area upstairs; the smoking ban may still apply then but that is a convo for the licensing. Xxx I hope you have a lot of air fresheners available because the smell of smoke does linger and might be slightly off-putting the next time the clubs open for Non-Smoking customers We will most likely hold this on a Sunday when the club is then closed for a few days afterwards. It will get it's deep clean on Tuesday and a good airing in the meantime. All of the sheets get washed at the end of each event anyway, but that helps and our throws/curtains also get washed. So by the time we have our next event, everything will be fresh. We also wash our carpets every 6 months, so we usually time the smoking fetish events just before this is booked in. We are a very experienced fetish club and have handled these events on several occasions, so we are well versed. I totally get where you are coming from!!! " | |||
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"didnt think the councils etc really enforced smoking ban, as i mentioned before people smoke inside pub doorways, all enforcment officers have to do is to issue fines but ive not heard it done of late, in 2007 when the law came out, they raided a pub at midnight and they were after time smokers, my local used to do it door closed ashtrays out, they had open fire so any smell of cigs, they put down to burning the fags ends from ashtray outside" The licensing dept in the council work with the police to enforce. We are a licensed premises and a swingers club so you can imagine the big brother we have watching over us! Lol but anyway, as explained above, there's a way around it xx | |||
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"I am a non smoker, big in to my fitness and I must say.... Luurve having a bad girl exhale smoke in to my mouth... Mmmmm....." It's very erotic lol | |||
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"Still going ahead??" sure is, just waiting on dates from townhouse | |||
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"Did it go ahead?" We had a photography day where smoking Fetish was one of the 'subject matters' and it worked well xx | |||
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"We rather enjoy the smoking ban, walking into clubs without a bad smokey smell Out of intrested how much would THI charge to hire the venue for a private party?" Take a look at the TH website, all the details are on there for private hire | |||
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"We rather enjoy the smoking ban, walking into clubs without a bad smokey smell Out of intrested how much would THI charge to hire the venue for a private party?" We always try and run our smoking fetish events on days when the club is closed for a few days afterwards to air it out and clean all of the linen and soft furnishings, so you would never know it has taken place We have a website especially for our hire but I will PM you the details anyway xx | |||
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"We rather enjoy the smoking ban, walking into clubs without a bad smokey smell Out of intrested how much would THI charge to hire the venue for a private party?" As explained previously, the venue is booked for a private hire and we would only smoke in one designated room which would then be cleaned and freshened prior to the club opening so you wouldn't even know we had been. The townhouse guys are professionals and wouldnt have it any other way. The idea is Still open just need more people who are interested to get in touch.... | |||
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"I just want to stress to the readers that this would be a private hire and not a public event, so we are not all of a sudden allowing smoking on our premises!!!! We have niche Fetish events all of the time and this would be one of them xx" Don't think you can get round the smoking law this way. If you are hiring the hall out you're still responsible. | |||
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"I just want to stress to the readers that this would be a private hire and not a public event, so we are not all of a sudden allowing smoking on our premises!!!! We have niche Fetish events all of the time and this would be one of them xx" not sure how that stands up in law regaring premises... | |||
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"I just want to stress to the readers that this would be a private hire and not a public event, so we are not all of a sudden allowing smoking on our premises!!!! We have niche Fetish events all of the time and this would be one of them xx Don't think you can get round the smoking law this way. If you are hiring the hall out you're still responsible." think your right ...only takes one person to grass you up and yourup shit creek... | |||
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"I just want to stress to the readers that this would be a private hire and not a public event, so we are not all of a sudden allowing smoking on our premises!!!! We have niche Fetish events all of the time and this would be one of them xx Don't think you can get round the smoking law this way. If you are hiring the hall out you're still responsible. think your right ...only takes one person to grass you up and yourup shit creek..." Especially as you are publicising the event, so you are effectively conspiring to deliberately evade the law. Looks like you are going to get yourselves in big trouble. | |||
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"I just want to stress to the readers that this would be a private hire and not a public event, so we are not all of a sudden allowing smoking on our premises!!!! We have niche Fetish events all of the time and this would be one of them xx Don't think you can get round the smoking law this way. If you are hiring the hall out you're still responsible. think your right ...only takes one person to grass you up and yourup shit creek... Especially as you are publicising the event, so you are effectively conspiring to deliberately evade the law. Looks like you are going to get yourselves in big trouble. " Its really clamped down on nowadays in "normal" pubs and clubs...if its at a swingers club then its added alienation and bad press you dont need ... | |||
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"Hey guys...thanks for your input. The last time I enquired about smoking at a private party, where everyone is attending to enjoy smoking fetish, I was told that it was ok as it was like smoking in a private house. I did query this as we were charging for entry but they insisted that it was ok, quoting clauses under the 'private members club' umbrella I will check it again though and get something in writing so we are completely clear about the law regarding this and can even publish the response. I will do this before we run a future event. Cheers for your comments mwah xxx" Even private members clubs have to stick to the same laws regarding smoking inside premises. Especially where entry fees are required. | |||
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"Hey guys...thanks for your input. The last time I enquired about smoking at a private party, where everyone is attending to enjoy smoking fetish, I was told that it was ok as it was like smoking in a private house. I did query this as we were charging for entry but they insisted that it was ok, quoting clauses under the 'private members club' umbrella I will check it again though and get something in writing so we are completely clear about the law regarding this and can even publish the response. I will do this before we run a future event. Cheers for your comments mwah xxx Even private members clubs have to stick to the same laws regarding smoking inside premises. Especially where entry fees are required. " I know how private members clubs work; I've owned one for 5 years!! lol However, my conversations with licensing and the police were surprisingly supportive in stating clauses. However, like I said, I am now going to clarify this and get something in writing so I can put this to rest once and for all | |||
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"Hey guys...thanks for your input. The last time I enquired about smoking at a private party, where everyone is attending to enjoy smoking fetish, I was told that it was ok as it was like smoking in a private house. I did query this as we were charging for entry but they insisted that it was ok, quoting clauses under the 'private members club' umbrella I will check it again though and get something in writing so we are completely clear about the law regarding this and can even publish the response. I will do this before we run a future event. Cheers for your comments mwah xxx Even private members clubs have to stick to the same laws regarding smoking inside premises. Especially where entry fees are required. I know how private members clubs work; I've owned one for 5 years!! lol However, my conversations with licensing and the police were surprisingly supportive in stating clauses. However, like I said, I am now going to clarify this and get something in writing so I can put this to rest once and for all " youve ran your club for five years and your only just clarifying license regs now?? Lets hope you can =) Good luck =) | |||
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"Hey guys...thanks for your input. The last time I enquired about smoking at a private party, where everyone is attending to enjoy smoking fetish, I was told that it was ok as it was like smoking in a private house. I did query this as we were charging for entry but they insisted that it was ok, quoting clauses under the 'private members club' umbrella I will check it again though and get something in writing so we are completely clear about the law regarding this and can even publish the response. I will do this before we run a future event. Cheers for your comments mwah xxx Even private members clubs have to stick to the same laws regarding smoking inside premises. Especially where entry fees are required. I know how private members clubs work; I've owned one for 5 years!! lol However, my conversations with licensing and the police were surprisingly supportive in stating clauses. However, like I said, I am now going to clarify this and get something in writing so I can put this to rest once and for all youve ran your club for five years and your only just clarifying license regs now?? Lets hope you can =) Good luck =)" The smoking law is quite clear, it applies to private members clubs. | |||
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"Hey guys...thanks for your input. The last time I enquired about smoking at a private party, where everyone is attending to enjoy smoking fetish, I was told that it was ok as it was like smoking in a private house. I did query this as we were charging for entry but they insisted that it was ok, quoting clauses under the 'private members club' umbrella I will check it again though and get something in writing so we are completely clear about the law regarding this and can even publish the response. I will do this before we run a future event. Cheers for your comments mwah xxx Even private members clubs have to stick to the same laws regarding smoking inside premises. Especially where entry fees are required. I know how private members clubs work; I've owned one for 5 years!! lol However, my conversations with licensing and the police were surprisingly supportive in stating clauses. However, like I said, I am now going to clarify this and get something in writing so I can put this to rest once and for all youve ran your club for five years and your only just clarifying license regs now?? Lets hope you can =) Good luck =) The smoking law is quite clear, it applies to private members clubs." Ive just check Gov website... On 14 February 2006, the House of Commons first voted on the amendment to the original compromise plan, to extend the ban to all enclosed public places except private members' clubs. The amendment was carried with a large majority. MPs then voted on a further amendment to ban smoking in all enclosed public places including private members' clubs. Again this amendment gained significant support and was carried with a large majority. This therefore replaced the earlier successful amendment which would have allowed smoking only in private members' clubs. The legislation was passed by the House of Lords, allowing a total smoking ban in enclosed public places to come into force in England. looks like there getting bad advice.. | |||
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"Hey guys...thanks for your input. The last time I enquired about smoking at a private party, where everyone is attending to enjoy smoking fetish, I was told that it was ok as it was like smoking in a private house. I did query this as we were charging for entry but they insisted that it was ok, quoting clauses under the 'private members club' umbrella I will check it again though and get something in writing so we are completely clear about the law regarding this and can even publish the response. I will do this before we run a future event. Cheers for your comments mwah xxx Even private members clubs have to stick to the same laws regarding smoking inside premises. Especially where entry fees are required. I know how private members clubs work; I've owned one for 5 years!! lol However, my conversations with licensing and the police were surprisingly supportive in stating clauses. However, like I said, I am now going to clarify this and get something in writing so I can put this to rest once and for all youve ran your club for five years and your only just clarifying license regs now?? Lets hope you can =) Good luck =) The smoking law is quite clear, it applies to private members clubs. Ive just check Gov website... On 14 February 2006, the House of Commons first voted on the amendment to the original compromise plan, to extend the ban to all enclosed public places except private members' clubs. The amendment was carried with a large majority. MPs then voted on a further amendment to ban smoking in all enclosed public places including private members' clubs. Again this amendment gained significant support and was carried with a large majority. This therefore replaced the earlier successful amendment which would have allowed smoking only in private members' clubs. The legislation was passed by the House of Lords, allowing a total smoking ban in enclosed public places to come into force in England. looks like there getting bad advice.." It feels like they are just trying to find a way round the law. | |||
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"They havent got a leg to stand on... Even if they dont charge for entry, they are still a licenced premises. This "private members club" umbrella thing is nonsense.. A simple google search will tell them the law..." Private members clubs were specifically included in an amendment to the original legislation. | |||
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"They havent got a leg to stand on... Even if they dont charge for entry, they are still a licenced premises. This "private members club" umbrella thing is nonsense.. A simple google search will tell them the law... Private members clubs were specifically included in an amendment to the original legislation. " Slighty worrying that the management are getting bad advice from police / licensing. The law is 100% clear on this matter. Smoking in licensed premises is illegal and can see heavy fines and prosecution. | |||
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"They havent got a leg to stand on... Even if they dont charge for entry, they are still a licenced premises. This "private members club" umbrella thing is nonsense.. A simple google search will tell them the law... Private members clubs were specifically included in an amendment to the original legislation. Slighty worrying that the management are getting bad advice from police / licensing. The law is 100% clear on this matter. Smoking in licensed premises is illegal and can see heavy fines and prosecution. " We dont actually know what advice they are getting, what questions they were asking and who they were asking. | |||
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"They havent got a leg to stand on... Even if they dont charge for entry, they are still a licenced premises. This "private members club" umbrella thing is nonsense.. A simple google search will tell them the law... Private members clubs were specifically included in an amendment to the original legislation. Slighty worrying that the management are getting bad advice from police / licensing. The law is 100% clear on this matter. Smoking in licensed premises is illegal and can see heavy fines and prosecution. We dont actually know what advice they are getting, what questions they were asking and who they were asking. " True, again slightly worrying that they have been running a club for 5 years and have poor knowledge of very simple legislation. | |||
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"They havent got a leg to stand on... Even if they dont charge for entry, they are still a licenced premises. This "private members club" umbrella thing is nonsense.. A simple google search will tell them the law... Private members clubs were specifically included in an amendment to the original legislation. Slighty worrying that the management are getting bad advice from police / licensing. The law is 100% clear on this matter. Smoking in licensed premises is illegal and can see heavy fines and prosecution. We dont actually know what advice they are getting, what questions they were asking and who they were asking. True, again slightly worrying that they have been running a club for 5 years and have poor knowledge of very simple legislation. " What's certain is neither of us will be going! | |||
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"I dont think anyone will if its a smoking night lol...Its not worth losing their business for." Do the individuals get fined if they smoke, or is it just the owner? | |||
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"I dont think anyone will if its a smoking night lol...Its not worth losing their business for. Do the individuals get fined if they smoke, or is it just the owner? " Definitely the owners do could be upto £5000...but not sure about patrons. | |||
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"I dont think anyone will if its a smoking night lol...Its not worth losing their business for. Do the individuals get fined if they smoke, or is it just the owner? Definitely the owners do could be upto £5000...but not sure about patrons. " Me neither, but they are potentially breaking the law. | |||
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"I dont think anyone will if its a smoking night lol...Its not worth losing their business for. Do the individuals get fined if they smoke, or is it just the owner? Definitely the owners do could be upto £5000...but not sure about patrons. Me neither, but they are potentially breaking the law. " well not yet! Our photography was in the smoking area, but once I get clarification on what I have been told in the past, we will adjust accordingly. The patrons don't get the fine, the owners do. Often the establishment gets a warning first and repeats get a fine upto £5000. The pub down the way allowed smoking in their pub after hours amongst their staff who were sitting off afterwards. They got a warning and clarification on the law; repeat offences would then result in a fine x | |||
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"A simple Google will also tell you Kurt Kobain is still alive, Michael Jackson was in his daughters car last week and the headache I had before was actually the black death and there is a fair few Cigar bars operating legally within the UK. Just because it's on the Internet does not make it true. The Web is full of conflicting information and it is always open to interpretation. Why don't we all be civil, stop being barrack room lawyers and leave the kangaroo court. Trust that the owners of the Townhouse are exploring all relevant legal issues, and ensuring that they are 100% legal to hold such an event. I really do not think they would jeopardise their club, their members, their professional standards or the relationship they have with the authorities for the sake of one night if it couldn't be done legally and above board. As they have stated, they are checking with the relevant authorities and will publish what the outcome is here. Who knows, we may all learn a thing or two. Mr PB Xxx " I visited the direct gov website...the legislation is clear | |||
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"I dont think anyone will if its a smoking night lol...Its not worth losing their business for. Do the individuals get fined if they smoke, or is it just the owner? Definitely the owners do could be upto £5000...but not sure about patrons. Me neither, but they are potentially breaking the law. well not yet! Our photography was in the smoking area, but once I get clarification on what I have been told in the past, we will adjust accordingly. The patrons don't get the fine, the owners do. Often the establishment gets a warning first and repeats get a fine upto £5000. The pub down the way allowed smoking in their pub after hours amongst their staff who were sitting off afterwards. They got a warning and clarification on the law; repeat offences would then result in a fine x" so your gonna continue with the legal event.. | |||
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"I dont think anyone will if its a smoking night lol...Its not worth losing their business for. Do the individuals get fined if they smoke, or is it just the owner? Definitely the owners do could be upto £5000...but not sure about patrons. Me neither, but they are potentially breaking the law. well not yet! Our photography was in the smoking area, but once I get clarification on what I have been told in the past, we will adjust accordingly. The patrons don't get the fine, the owners do. Often the establishment gets a warning first and repeats get a fine upto £5000. The pub down the way allowed smoking in their pub after hours amongst their staff who were sitting off afterwards. They got a warning and clarification on the law; repeat offences would then result in a fine x so your gonna continue with the legal event.." Read my last reply | |||
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"I dont think anyone will if its a smoking night lol...Its not worth losing their business for. Do the individuals get fined if they smoke, or is it just the owner? Definitely the owners do could be upto £5000...but not sure about patrons. Me neither, but they are potentially breaking the law. well not yet! Our photography was in the smoking area, but once I get clarification on what I have been told in the past, we will adjust accordingly. The patrons don't get the fine, the owners do. Often the establishment gets a warning first and repeats get a fine upto £5000. The pub down the way allowed smoking in their pub after hours amongst their staff who were sitting off afterwards. They got a warning and clarification on the law; repeat offences would then result in a fine x so your gonna continue with the legal event.. Read my last reply" I did its unclear... | |||
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"I dont think anyone will if its a smoking night lol...Its not worth losing their business for. Do the individuals get fined if they smoke, or is it just the owner? Definitely the owners do could be upto £5000...but not sure about patrons. Me neither, but they are potentially breaking the law. well not yet! Our photography was in the smoking area, but once I get clarification on what I have been told in the past, we will adjust accordingly. The patrons don't get the fine, the owners do. Often the establishment gets a warning first and repeats get a fine upto £5000. The pub down the way allowed smoking in their pub after hours amongst their staff who were sitting off afterwards. They got a warning and clarification on the law; repeat offences would then result in a fine x" The "pub down the road" analogy doesnt really brim customers with confidence.. So your willing to risk your clubs good name by flouting the law?? Seems really silly... | |||
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"I don't think so. I said I would clarify with the authorities what exactly we are trying to do for our customers. If there is no way we can run this, then we adjust. So it could be that we run it in our massive smoking area. It's heated, well lit and concealed from the public. There are many ways to skin this cat but I don't propose to risk my club over a ciggy fetish lol x" there isnt a way around it... the law is the law lol.... honestly this isnt good advertising for your club when it seems your trying every avenue to dodge the law... | |||
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"I dont think anyone will if its a smoking night lol...Its not worth losing their business for. Do the individuals get fined if they smoke, or is it just the owner? Definitely the owners do could be upto £5000...but not sure about patrons. Me neither, but they are potentially breaking the law. well not yet! Our photography was in the smoking area, but once I get clarification on what I have been told in the past, we will adjust accordingly. The patrons don't get the fine, the owners do. Often the establishment gets a warning first and repeats get a fine upto £5000. The pub down the way allowed smoking in their pub after hours amongst their staff who were sitting off afterwards. They got a warning and clarification on the law; repeat offences would then result in a fine x The "pub down the road" analogy doesnt really brim customers with confidence.. So your willing to risk your clubs good name by flouting the law?? Seems really silly..." I've just said that I wouldn't risk my club. Did you read my last reply!?? haha | |||
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"I don't think so. I said I would clarify with the authorities what exactly we are trying to do for our customers. If there is no way we can run this, then we adjust. So it could be that we run it in our massive smoking area. It's heated, well lit and concealed from the public. There are many ways to skin this cat but I don't propose to risk my club over a ciggy fetish lol x there isnt a way around it... the law is the law lol.... honestly this isnt good advertising for your club when it seems your trying every avenue to dodge the law..." Not dodging, just clarifying. If we need to do it in the smoking area then that is fine by me and saves the additional cleansing of the club | |||
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"I dont think anyone will if its a smoking night lol...Its not worth losing their business for. Do the individuals get fined if they smoke, or is it just the owner? Definitely the owners do could be upto £5000...but not sure about patrons. Me neither, but they are potentially breaking the law. well not yet! Our photography was in the smoking area, but once I get clarification on what I have been told in the past, we will adjust accordingly. The patrons don't get the fine, the owners do. Often the establishment gets a warning first and repeats get a fine upto £5000. The pub down the way allowed smoking in their pub after hours amongst their staff who were sitting off afterwards. They got a warning and clarification on the law; repeat offences would then result in a fine x The "pub down the road" analogy doesnt really brim customers with confidence.. So your willing to risk your clubs good name by flouting the law?? Seems really silly... I've just said that I wouldn't risk my club. Did you read my last reply!?? haha " I did your answers seem a bit none descript thats all...first you say adjust your arrangements then you say you would risk it... good luck using the one designated smoking room though...hope its big enough haha | |||
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"I don't think so. I said I would clarify with the authorities what exactly we are trying to do for our customers. If there is no way we can run this, then we adjust. So it could be that we run it in our massive smoking area. It's heated, well lit and concealed from the public. There are many ways to skin this cat but I don't propose to risk my club over a ciggy fetish lol x there isnt a way around it... the law is the law lol.... honestly this isnt good advertising for your club when it seems your trying every avenue to dodge the law... Not dodging, just clarifying. If we need to do it in the smoking area then that is fine by me and saves the additional cleansing of the club " 5 years as a licensed club and your still clarifying basic legislation... hmmm | |||
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"I dont think anyone will if its a smoking night lol...Its not worth losing their business for. Do the individuals get fined if they smoke, or is it just the owner? Definitely the owners do could be upto £5000...but not sure about patrons. Me neither, but they are potentially breaking the law. well not yet! Our photography was in the smoking area, but once I get clarification on what I have been told in the past, we will adjust accordingly. The patrons don't get the fine, the owners do. Often the establishment gets a warning first and repeats get a fine upto £5000. The pub down the way allowed smoking in their pub after hours amongst their staff who were sitting off afterwards. They got a warning and clarification on the law; repeat offences would then result in a fine x The "pub down the road" analogy doesnt really brim customers with confidence.. So your willing to risk your clubs good name by flouting the law?? Seems really silly... I've just said that I wouldn't risk my club. Did you read my last reply!?? haha I did your answers seem a bit none descript thats all...first you say adjust your arrangements then you say you would risk it... good luck using the one designated smoking room though...hope its big enough haha" 'wouldn't ' It seems you've blocked me...never mind. Good luck with your private parties too xxx | |||
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"I dont think anyone will if its a smoking night lol...Its not worth losing their business for. Do the individuals get fined if they smoke, or is it just the owner? Definitely the owners do could be upto £5000...but not sure about patrons. Me neither, but they are potentially breaking the law. well not yet! Our photography was in the smoking area, but once I get clarification on what I have been told in the past, we will adjust accordingly. The patrons don't get the fine, the owners do. Often the establishment gets a warning first and repeats get a fine upto £5000. The pub down the way allowed smoking in their pub after hours amongst their staff who were sitting off afterwards. They got a warning and clarification on the law; repeat offences would then result in a fine x The "pub down the road" analogy doesnt really brim customers with confidence.. So your willing to risk your clubs good name by flouting the law?? Seems really silly... I've just said that I wouldn't risk my club. Did you read my last reply!?? haha I did your answers seem a bit none descript thats all...first you say adjust your arrangements then you say you would risk it... good luck using the one designated smoking room though...hope its big enough haha 'wouldn't ' It seems you've blocked me...never mind. Good luck with your private parties too xxx" Were not running them now..to much red tape, im mean if you guys still have to clarify the law and your 5 years into running a club what chance do we have lol... we blocked you cus I knew you would get ratty when people questioned you about it...saves time lol Thanks tho... | |||
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"I dont think anyone will if its a smoking night lol...Its not worth losing their business for. Do the individuals get fined if they smoke, or is it just the owner? Definitely the owners do could be upto £5000...but not sure about patrons. Me neither, but they are potentially breaking the law. well not yet! Our photography was in the smoking area, but once I get clarification on what I have been told in the past, we will adjust accordingly. The patrons don't get the fine, the owners do. Often the establishment gets a warning first and repeats get a fine upto £5000. The pub down the way allowed smoking in their pub after hours amongst their staff who were sitting off afterwards. They got a warning and clarification on the law; repeat offences would then result in a fine x The "pub down the road" analogy doesnt really brim customers with confidence.. So your willing to risk your clubs good name by flouting the law?? Seems really silly... I've just said that I wouldn't risk my club. Did you read my last reply!?? haha I did your answers seem a bit none descript thats all...first you say adjust your arrangements then you say you would risk it... good luck using the one designated smoking room though...hope its big enough haha 'wouldn't ' It seems you've blocked me...never mind. Good luck with your private parties too xxx Were not running them now..to much red tape, im mean if you guys still have to clarify the law and your 5 years into running a club what chance do we have lol... we blocked you cus I knew you would get ratty when people questioned you about it...saves time lol Thanks tho... " Noooooo we don't get ratty!!! We don't do drama If you've seen us on the forums before, we are generally very chatty and happy to hear opinions and open to suggestion x | |||
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"I dont think anyone will if its a smoking night lol...Its not worth losing their business for. Do the individuals get fined if they smoke, or is it just the owner? Definitely the owners do could be upto £5000...but not sure about patrons. Me neither, but they are potentially breaking the law. well not yet! Our photography was in the smoking area, but once I get clarification on what I have been told in the past, we will adjust accordingly. The patrons don't get the fine, the owners do. Often the establishment gets a warning first and repeats get a fine upto £5000. The pub down the way allowed smoking in their pub after hours amongst their staff who were sitting off afterwards. They got a warning and clarification on the law; repeat offences would then result in a fine x The "pub down the road" analogy doesnt really brim customers with confidence.. So your willing to risk your clubs good name by flouting the law?? Seems really silly... I've just said that I wouldn't risk my club. Did you read my last reply!?? haha I did your answers seem a bit none descript thats all...first you say adjust your arrangements then you say you would risk it... good luck using the one designated smoking room though...hope its big enough haha 'wouldn't ' It seems you've blocked me...never mind. Good luck with your private parties too xxx Were not running them now..to much red tape, im mean if you guys still have to clarify the law and your 5 years into running a club what chance do we have lol... we blocked you cus I knew you would get ratty when people questioned you about it...saves time lol Thanks tho... Noooooo we don't get ratty!!! We don't do drama If you've seen us on the forums before, we are generally very chatty and happy to hear opinions and open to suggestion x" its good you dont get ratty.. lifes to short. forgive my mistake as your last post about us blocking you and metioning about our party idea seemed abit strange. Its good your open to suggestions too.. Maybe an idea to really study the law before advertising an event that seems to go against it. Just an idea like...I mean you are the 5 year veterans in the club world | |||
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"Ckcouple you do come across as very bitter individuals. Quite a few of the local clubs go to the townhouse management for help & advice from time to time so they are obviously well thought of. I have watched this thread and have to agree with this post. The club owners are trying to run a niche event and stay within the law. Why do people need to be so negative and "bitchy" with their comments. no ones being bitchey! there is a smoking ban...they seem to struggle with the concept. there arnt special rules, personally we couldnt care less...we just offered some facts and then got talked down too... " i didnt see anyone talk down to you.. In fact what it read to me was that the staff at the TH took what you said and decided to get it clarified once and for all.. and as normal answered all questions openly. | |||
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"Ckcouple you do come across as very bitter individuals. Quite a few of the local clubs go to the townhouse management for help & advice from time to time so they are obviously well thought of. I have watched this thread and have to agree with this post. The club owners are trying to run a niche event and stay within the law. Why do people need to be so negative and "bitchy" with their comments. no ones being bitchey! there is a smoking ban...they seem to struggle with the concept. there arnt special rules, personally we couldnt care less...we just offered some facts and then got talked down too... i didnt see anyone talk down to you.. In fact what it read to me was that the staff at the TH took what you said and decided to get it clarified once and for all.. and as normal answered all questions openly. " agree to disagree I guess | |||
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"I dont think anyone will if its a smoking night lol...Its not worth losing their business for. Do the individuals get fined if they smoke, or is it just the owner? Definitely the owners do could be upto £5000...but not sure about patrons. Me neither, but they are potentially breaking the law. well not yet! Our photography was in the smoking area, but once I get clarification on what I have been told in the past, we will adjust accordingly. The patrons don't get the fine, the owners do. Often the establishment gets a warning first and repeats get a fine upto £5000. The pub down the way allowed smoking in their pub after hours amongst their staff who were sitting off afterwards. They got a warning and clarification on the law; repeat offences would then result in a fine x The "pub down the road" analogy doesnt really brim customers with confidence.. So your willing to risk your clubs good name by flouting the law?? Seems really silly... I've just said that I wouldn't risk my club. Did you read my last reply!?? haha I did your answers seem a bit none descript thats all...first you say adjust your arrangements then you say you would risk it... good luck using the one designated smoking room though...hope its big enough haha 'wouldn't ' It seems you've blocked me...never mind. Good luck with your private parties too xxx Were not running them now..to much red tape, im mean if you guys still have to clarify the law and your 5 years into running a club what chance do we have lol... we blocked you cus I knew you would get ratty when people questioned you about it...saves time lol Thanks tho... Noooooo we don't get ratty!!! We don't do drama If you've seen us on the forums before, we are generally very chatty and happy to hear opinions and open to suggestion x its good you dont get ratty.. lifes to short. forgive my mistake as your last post about us blocking you and metioning about our party idea seemed abit strange. Its good your open to suggestions too.. Maybe an idea to really study the law before advertising an event that seems to go against it. Just an idea like...I mean you are the 5 year veterans in the club world Wow you come across as complete Tits! Please dont call us names for asking a few questions and stating a few facts. The forum rules say name calling and abuse is not acceptable. In the same way it's not acceptable to use the forums to contact people who have blocked you. It's all there in the rules..... I completely agree... ourselves and a couple of others gave a bit of advice and get hit with the " weve been doing this for five years" line. we expected that they would get a bit arsey so yeah we blocked them. although they must have have other profiles in order to look at our profile as we blocked the townhouse profile. slightly strange they would get their backs up at a simple forum tread. ohh well But as you blocked them you shouldn't then be contacting them back via here either. also states if someone blocks you do use other profiles to look at them... " Unlike other clubs, we actually don't have other profiles. We do however have friends who can read. The tone of my posts was never bitchy or derogatory..quite opposite actually! Lol Everyone has the right to opinions and can say what they want...I'm too long in the tooth on the scene to rise to threads like this, especially as I'm not the OP. I'm not getting my sexy Agent Provocateur 'knickers' in a twist and neither should anyone else. God I need a ciggy now....shit I've packed in xxx | |||
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"I dont think anyone will if its a smoking night lol...Its not worth losing their business for. Do the individuals get fined if they smoke, or is it just the owner? Definitely the owners do could be upto £5000...but not sure about patrons. Me neither, but they are potentially breaking the law. well not yet! Our photography was in the smoking area, but once I get clarification on what I have been told in the past, we will adjust accordingly. The patrons don't get the fine, the owners do. Often the establishment gets a warning first and repeats get a fine upto £5000. The pub down the way allowed smoking in their pub after hours amongst their staff who were sitting off afterwards. They got a warning and clarification on the law; repeat offences would then result in a fine x The "pub down the road" analogy doesnt really brim customers with confidence.. So your willing to risk your clubs good name by flouting the law?? Seems really silly... I've just said that I wouldn't risk my club. Did you read my last reply!?? haha I did your answers seem a bit none descript thats all...first you say adjust your arrangements then you say you would risk it... good luck using the one designated smoking room though...hope its big enough haha 'wouldn't ' It seems you've blocked me...never mind. Good luck with your private parties too xxx Were not running them now..to much red tape, im mean if you guys still have to clarify the law and your 5 years into running a club what chance do we have lol... we blocked you cus I knew you would get ratty when people questioned you about it...saves time lol Thanks tho... Noooooo we don't get ratty!!! We don't do drama If you've seen us on the forums before, we are generally very chatty and happy to hear opinions and open to suggestion x its good you dont get ratty.. lifes to short. forgive my mistake as your last post about us blocking you and metioning about our party idea seemed abit strange. Its good your open to suggestions too.. Maybe an idea to really study the law before advertising an event that seems to go against it. Just an idea like...I mean you are the 5 year veterans in the club world Wow you come across as complete Tits! Please dont call us names for asking a few questions and stating a few facts. The forum rules say name calling and abuse is not acceptable. In the same way it's not acceptable to use the forums to contact people who have blocked you. It's all there in the rules..... I completely agree... ourselves and a couple of others gave a bit of advice and get hit with the " weve been doing this for five years" line. we expected that they would get a bit arsey so yeah we blocked them. although they must have have other profiles in order to look at our profile as we blocked the townhouse profile. slightly strange they would get their backs up at a simple forum tread. ohh well But as you blocked them you shouldn't then be contacting them back via here either. also states if someone blocks you do use other profiles to look at them... Unlike other clubs, we actually don't have other profiles. We do however have friends who can read. The tone of my posts was never bitchy or derogatory..quite opposite actually! Lol Everyone has the right to opinions and can say what they want...I'm too long in the tooth on the scene to rise to threads like this, especially as I'm not the OP. I'm not getting my sexy Agent Provocateur 'knickers' in a twist and neither should anyone else. God I need a ciggy now....shit I've packed in xxx" its an event at your licensed club...you didnt like the fact that we and a couple of others gave you substance and not sound bites... the smoking ban is the smoking ban. try and adjust round it as you see fit...its your license at risk. as for getting your friends to check our profile...bit strange | |||
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"Really ..... Isnt smoking a bit out dated now ????.....uuuurgh ... " There's a high end whiskey & cigar joint opened in Liverpool with a licence for indoor smoking..so it's all changing on that front. Think if you knew the establishment had 80.000 customers you wouldnt look daft saying that | |||
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"Really ..... Isnt smoking a bit out dated now ????.....uuuurgh ... There's a high end whiskey & cigar joint opened in Liverpool with a licence for indoor smoking..so it's all changing on that front. Think if you knew the establishment had 80.000 customers you wouldnt look daft saying that " Yes that's right. It is a new bar being opened by Turmeaus who have applied for a special licence due to their 'specialist nature' of their business. | |||
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"Really ..... Isnt smoking a bit out dated now ????.....uuuurgh ... There's a high end whiskey & cigar joint opened in Liverpool with a licence for indoor smoking..so it's all changing on that front. Think if you knew the establishment had 80.000 customers you wouldnt look daft saying that Yes that's right. It is a new bar being opened by Turmeaus who have applied for a special licence due to their 'specialist nature' of their business." So looking forward to Turmeaus opening their lounge | |||
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"Really ..... Isnt smoking a bit out dated now ????.....uuuurgh ... There's a high end whiskey & cigar joint opened in Liverpool with a licence for indoor smoking..so it's all changing on that front. Think if you knew the establishment had 80.000 customers you wouldnt look daft saying that Yes that's right. It is a new bar being opened by Turmeaus who have applied for a special licence due to their 'specialist nature' of their business." there having a smoking area ! you dont need a licence for that... | |||
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"Really ..... Isnt smoking a bit out dated now ????.....uuuurgh ... There's a high end whiskey & cigar joint opened in Liverpool with a licence for indoor smoking..so it's all changing on that front. Think if you knew the establishment had 80.000 customers you wouldnt look daft saying that Yes that's right. It is a new bar being opened by Turmeaus who have applied for a special licence due to their 'specialist nature' of their business. there having a smoking area ! you dont need a licence for that... " Nope, they have been granted a special licence to smoke indoors and will have lounges for people to enjoy a smoke and a whiskey. Specialist businesses can be granted licences, either on a permanent basis or one offs, similar to Temporary event notices for alcohol sales. | |||
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"Really ..... Isnt smoking a bit out dated now ????.....uuuurgh ... There's a high end whiskey & cigar joint opened in Liverpool with a licence for indoor smoking..so it's all changing on that front. Think if you knew the establishment had 80.000 customers you wouldnt look daft saying that Yes that's right. It is a new bar being opened by Turmeaus who have applied for a special licence due to their 'specialist nature' of their business. there having a smoking area ! you dont need a licence for that... Nope, they have been granted a special licence to smoke indoors and will have lounges for people to enjoy a smoke and a whiskey. Specialist businesses can be granted licences, either on a permanent basis or one offs, similar to Temporary event notices for alcohol sales. " Totally false... Read the legislation!!! No where is exempt!.. If what your saying was true every pub and club would apply for these licenses. | |||
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"Really ..... Isnt smoking a bit out dated now ????.....uuuurgh ... There's a high end whiskey & cigar joint opened in Liverpool with a licence for indoor smoking..so it's all changing on that front. Think if you knew the establishment had 80.000 customers you wouldnt look daft saying that Yes that's right. It is a new bar being opened by Turmeaus who have applied for a special licence due to their 'specialist nature' of their business. there having a smoking area ! you dont need a licence for that... Nope, they have been granted a special licence to smoke indoors and will have lounges for people to enjoy a smoke and a whiskey. Specialist businesses can be granted licences, either on a permanent basis or one offs, similar to Temporary event notices for alcohol sales. Totally false... Read the legislation!!! No where is exempt!.. If what your saying was true every pub and club would apply for these licenses. " Jesus.... admin please could you consider leaving this link up so that these people can read that there IS actually a bar in Liverpool where people can smoke!!! http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/first-look-inside-turmeaus-cigars-11882350 | |||
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"Really ..... Isnt smoking a bit out dated now ????.....uuuurgh ... There's a high end whiskey & cigar joint opened in Liverpool with a licence for indoor smoking..so it's all changing on that front. Think if you knew the establishment had 80.000 customers you wouldnt look daft saying that Yes that's right. It is a new bar being opened by Turmeaus who have applied for a special licence due to their 'specialist nature' of their business. there having a smoking area ! you dont need a licence for that... Nope, they have been granted a special licence to smoke indoors and will have lounges for people to enjoy a smoke and a whiskey. Specialist businesses can be granted licences, either on a permanent basis or one offs, similar to Temporary event notices for alcohol sales. Totally false... Read the legislation!!! No where is exempt!.. If what your saying was true every pub and club would apply for these licenses. Jesus.... admin please could you consider leaving this link up so that these people can read that there IS actually a bar in Liverpool where people can smoke!!! http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/first-look-inside-turmeaus-cigars-11882350" Wirrel environmental health know of no such license exemptions for smoking in pubs or clubs. Just spoke with a really helpful girl on the phone. Im sure you have there number.. | |||
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"Really ..... Isnt smoking a bit out dated now ????.....uuuurgh ... There's a high end whiskey & cigar joint opened in Liverpool with a licence for indoor smoking..so it's all changing on that front. Think if you knew the establishment had 80.000 customers you wouldnt look daft saying that Yes that's right. It is a new bar being opened by Turmeaus who have applied for a special licence due to their 'specialist nature' of their business. there having a smoking area ! you dont need a licence for that... Nope, they have been granted a special licence to smoke indoors and will have lounges for people to enjoy a smoke and a whiskey. Specialist businesses can be granted licences, either on a permanent basis or one offs, similar to Temporary event notices for alcohol sales. Totally false... Read the legislation!!! No where is exempt!.. If what your saying was true every pub and club would apply for these licenses. Jesus.... admin please could you consider leaving this link up so that these people can read that there IS actually a bar in Liverpool where people can smoke!!! http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/first-look-inside-turmeaus-cigars-11882350 Wirrel environmental health know of no such license exemptions for smoking in pubs or clubs. Just spoke with a really helpful girl on the phone. Im sure you have there number.." They are actually double checking their info for me as we speak as she couldn't give me a straight answer. Elaine...if you want to check that I'm not lying! FFS. Did you read the article? So not totally false and I'm not fibbing. There is a bar in Liverpool where people can smoke. There are special situations where people premises are granted permission but it has to be applied for. My personal situation in the club however, is being looked into at a higher level, in case I plan to take the smoking fetish indoors in the future. I obviously won't do this if I am not granted permission. | |||
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"Really ..... Isnt smoking a bit out dated now ????.....uuuurgh ... There's a high end whiskey & cigar joint opened in Liverpool with a licence for indoor smoking..so it's all changing on that front. Think if you knew the establishment had 80.000 customers you wouldnt look daft saying that Yes that's right. It is a new bar being opened by Turmeaus who have applied for a special licence due to their 'specialist nature' of their business. there having a smoking area ! you dont need a licence for that... Nope, they have been granted a special licence to smoke indoors and will have lounges for people to enjoy a smoke and a whiskey. Specialist businesses can be granted licences, either on a permanent basis or one offs, similar to Temporary event notices for alcohol sales. Totally false... Read the legislation!!! No where is exempt!.. If what your saying was true every pub and club would apply for these licenses. Jesus.... admin please could you consider leaving this link up so that these people can read that there IS actually a bar in Liverpool where people can smoke!!! http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/first-look-inside-turmeaus-cigars-11882350 Wirrel environmental health know of no such license exemptions for smoking in pubs or clubs. Just spoke with a really helpful girl on the phone. Im sure you have there number.. They are actually double checking their info for me as we speak as she couldn't give me a straight answer. Elaine...if you want to check that I'm not lying! FFS. Did you read the article? So not totally false and I'm not fibbing. There is a bar in Liverpool where people can smoke. There are special situations where people premises are granted permission but it has to be applied for. My personal situation in the club however, is being looked into at a higher level, in case I plan to take the smoking fetish indoors in the future. I obviously won't do this if I am not granted permission. " The person I spoke to didnt need to check.Her name was vicki. She was quite clear. | |||
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"Really ..... Isnt smoking a bit out dated now ????.....uuuurgh ... There's a high end whiskey & cigar joint opened in Liverpool with a licence for indoor smoking..so it's all changing on that front. Think if you knew the establishment had 80.000 customers you wouldnt look daft saying that Yes that's right. It is a new bar being opened by Turmeaus who have applied for a special licence due to their 'specialist nature' of their business. there having a smoking area ! you dont need a licence for that... Nope, they have been granted a special licence to smoke indoors and will have lounges for people to enjoy a smoke and a whiskey. Specialist businesses can be granted licences, either on a permanent basis or one offs, similar to Temporary event notices for alcohol sales. Totally false... Read the legislation!!! No where is exempt!.. If what your saying was true every pub and club would apply for these licenses. Jesus.... admin please could you consider leaving this link up so that these people can read that there IS actually a bar in Liverpool where people can smoke!!! http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/first-look-inside-turmeaus-cigars-11882350 Wirrel environmental health know of no such license exemptions for smoking in pubs or clubs. Just spoke with a really helpful girl on the phone. Im sure you have there number.. They are actually double checking their info for me as we speak as she couldn't give me a straight answer. Elaine...if you want to check that I'm not lying! FFS. Did you read the article? So not totally false and I'm not fibbing. There is a bar in Liverpool where people can smoke. There are special situations where people premises are granted permission but it has to be applied for. My personal situation in the club however, is being looked into at a higher level, in case I plan to take the smoking fetish indoors in the future. I obviously won't do this if I am not granted permission. The person I spoke to didnt need to check.Her name was vicki. She was quite clear. " Well I'm on the case to get this clarified and do things properly. I will also be taking my husband to the new bar in Liverpool to enjoy a wee dram and a cigar, indoors! lol He likes a puff on a good cigar PMSL | |||
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"Obviously someone has got far far to much time on their hands I would have left this thread hours ago as I dont care either way. But TH think that just cus they have a club their automatically right. I this case there not..no harm in being wrong. lol Its pretty basic legislation though. Yes to get right." they have not said that at all. They have been checking with the relavant authorities and making sure they arent breaking any rules.. to be fair I think they have replied in a very dignified way. | |||
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"Really ..... Isnt smoking a bit out dated now ????.....uuuurgh ... There's a high end whiskey & cigar joint opened in Liverpool with a licence for indoor smoking..so it's all changing on that front. Think if you knew the establishment had 80.000 customers you wouldnt look daft saying that Yes that's right. It is a new bar being opened by Turmeaus who have applied for a special licence due to their 'specialist nature' of their business. there having a smoking area ! you dont need a licence for that... Nope, they have been granted a special licence to smoke indoors and will have lounges for people to enjoy a smoke and a whiskey. Specialist businesses can be granted licences, either on a permanent basis or one offs, similar to Temporary event notices for alcohol sales. Totally false... Read the legislation!!! No where is exempt!.. If what your saying was true every pub and club would apply for these licenses. Jesus.... admin please could you consider leaving this link up so that these people can read that there IS actually a bar in Liverpool where people can smoke!!! http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/first-look-inside-turmeaus-cigars-11882350 Wirrel environmental health know of no such license exemptions for smoking in pubs or clubs. Just spoke with a really helpful girl on the phone. Im sure you have there number.. They are actually double checking their info for me as we speak as she couldn't give me a straight answer. Elaine...if you want to check that I'm not lying! FFS. Did you read the article? So not totally false and I'm not fibbing. There is a bar in Liverpool where people can smoke. There are special situations where people premises are granted permission but it has to be applied for. My personal situation in the club however, is being looked into at a higher level, in case I plan to take the smoking fetish indoors in the future. I obviously won't do this if I am not granted permission. The person I spoke to didnt need to check.Her name was vicki. She was quite clear. Well I'm on the case to get this clarified and do things properly. I will also be taking my husband to the new bar in Liverpool to enjoy a wee dram and a cigar, indoors! lol He likes a puff on a good cigar PMSL " Glad to hear your checking as it would be a silly thing to get fined for. Enjoy your day =) | |||
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"Obviously someone has got far far to much time on their hands I would have left this thread hours ago as I dont care either way. But TH think that just cus they have a club their automatically right. I this case there not..no harm in being wrong. lol Its pretty basic legislation though. Yes to get right. they have not said that at all. They have been checking with the relavant authorities and making sure they arent breaking any rules.. to be fair I think they have replied in a very dignified way." I would expect nothing less than dignifed...were all adults capable having a discussion. | |||
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"Obviously someone has got far far to much time on their hands I would have left this thread hours ago as I dont care either way. But TH think that just cus they have a club their automatically right. I this case there not..no harm in being wrong. lol Its pretty basic legislation though. Yes to get right." They have never said they are right they have only said what they have been told and have been pretry clear that they are finding out. Putting "It's pretty basic legislation though" I see this as you having a "dig" as from what we have seen its far from basic. Just my opinion | |||
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"Is oh so quiet...........put that in your pipe and smoke it is this not a dig though too... cant have it both ways. and yes it is very basic...I rang wirrel environmental health and they were very clear. " As we have said several times on this thread the law is very clear. | |||
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"Is oh so quiet...........put that in your pipe and smoke it is this not a dig though too... cant have it both ways. and yes it is very basic...I rang wirrel environmental health and they were very clear. As we have said several times on this thread the law is very clear. " Trouble is with these threads... they turn really bitchey really quick. Its plan to see the people jump to the defence of the people that own a club. They have a vested interest I. keeping on the right side of them ...so wont question a thing. They will attack anyone that questions them ...really sad. | |||
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"The law as in all areas is anything but clear... i know pubs that have indoor smoking areas and other swinging clubs that do... all are regularly inspected and not fined or closed down.. so there are variations. " indoor or outdoor is fine...as long as its a designated smoking area... thats not in question. They cant however use their whole premises. The law is 100% clear. | |||
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"Is oh so quiet...........put that in your pipe and smoke it is this not a dig though too... cant have it both ways. and yes it is very basic...I rang wirrel environmental health and they were very clear. As we have said several times on this thread the law is very clear. Trouble is with these threads... they turn really bitchey really quick. Its plan to see the people jump to the defence of the people that own a club. They have a vested interest I. keeping on the right side of them ...so wont question a thing. They will attack anyone that questions them ...really sad. " There have been digs on both sides (not from the club itself).. club ia 2 and a bit hours away from me and while yes ive been. My comments are coming from seeing a club owner that is totally transparent and always on helping others sort things getting accused of being simple and trying to bend the rules.. when from what replies are on here that is obviously not the case... and that they have taken advice and when challenged have sought to clarify. | |||
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"Is oh so quiet...........put that in your pipe and smoke it is this not a dig though too... cant have it both ways. and yes it is very basic...I rang wirrel environmental health and they were very clear. As we have said several times on this thread the law is very clear. Trouble is with these threads... they turn really bitchey really quick. Its plan to see the people jump to the defence of the people that own a club. They have a vested interest I. keeping on the right side of them ...so wont question a thing. They will attack anyone that questions them ...really sad. There have been digs on both sides (not from the club itself).. club ia 2 and a bit hours away from me and while yes ive been. My comments are coming from seeing a club owner that is totally transparent and always on helping others sort things getting accused of being simple and trying to bend the rules.. when from what replies are on here that is obviously not the case... and that they have taken advice and when challenged have sought to clarify. " Thats your interpretation of what you read on here.. We have a different view. | |||
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"The law as in all areas is anything but clear... i know pubs that have indoor smoking areas and other swinging clubs that do... all are regularly inspected and not fined or closed down.. so there are variations. " There's even an exemption in the house of commons where our not so lovable mps have an inside smoking room... | |||
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"Really ..... Isnt smoking a bit out dated now ????.....uuuurgh ... There's a high end whiskey & cigar joint opened in Liverpool with a licence for indoor smoking..so it's all changing on that front. Think if you knew the establishment had 80.000 customers you wouldnt look daft saying that Yes that's right. It is a new bar being opened by Turmeaus who have applied for a special licence due to their 'specialist nature' of their business." Incorrect..they actually did apply and received one so are open now 7 days a week at the Albany and you can smoke or drink away comfortable that you are breaking no laws | |||
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"Really ..... Isnt smoking a bit out dated now ????.....uuuurgh ... There's a high end whiskey & cigar joint opened in Liverpool with a licence for indoor smoking..so it's all changing on that front. Think if you knew the establishment had 80.000 customers you wouldnt look daft saying that Yes that's right. It is a new bar being opened by Turmeaus who have applied for a special licence due to their 'specialist nature' of their business. Incorrect..they actually did apply and received one so are open now 7 days a week at the Albany and you can smoke or drink away comfortable that you are breaking no laws " I believe you can only smoke their cigars there at £15 a time. | |||
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"Really ..... Isnt smoking a bit out dated now ????.....uuuurgh ... There's a high end whiskey & cigar joint opened in Liverpool with a licence for indoor smoking..so it's all changing on that front. Think if you knew the establishment had 80.000 customers you wouldnt look daft saying that Yes that's right. It is a new bar being opened by Turmeaus who have applied for a special licence due to their 'specialist nature' of their business. Incorrect..they actually did apply and received one so are open now 7 days a week at the Albany and you can smoke or drink away comfortable that you are breaking no laws I believe you can only smoke their cigars there at £15 a time. " Well you are not gonna waltz in and smoke ya own stogies...the cgars there can cost lots more,i did say high end | |||
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"The law as in all areas is anything but clear... i know pubs that have indoor smoking areas and other swinging clubs that do... all are regularly inspected and not fined or closed down.. so there are variations. There's even an exemption in the house of commons where our not so lovable mps have an inside smoking room... " House of Commons and Parliament have their own rules. FACT | |||
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"Really ..... Isnt smoking a bit out dated now ????.....uuuurgh ... There's a high end whiskey & cigar joint opened in Liverpool with a licence for indoor smoking..so it's all changing on that front. Think if you knew the establishment had 80.000 customers you wouldnt look daft saying that Yes that's right. It is a new bar being opened by Turmeaus who have applied for a special licence due to their 'specialist nature' of their business. Incorrect..they actually did apply and received one so are open now 7 days a week at the Albany and you can smoke or drink away comfortable that you are breaking no laws I believe you can only smoke their cigars there at £15 a time. " Yep...in their cigar lounge, indoors. It better be the best bloody cigar outside of Havana for that price, but there will be plenty of people who will pay the price for a fine cigar indoors supplied by one of the oldest tobacconists around...with a nice scotch to go with it. Jim is already rounding up a couple of his friends to indulge lol | |||
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"The law as in all areas is anything but clear... i know pubs that have indoor smoking areas and other swinging clubs that do... all are regularly inspected and not fined or closed down.. so there are variations. There's even an exemption in the house of commons where our not so lovable mps have an inside smoking room... House of Commons and Parliament have their own rules. FACT " They should lock them all up in the smoking room and throw the key in the Thames! | |||
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"The law as in all areas is anything but clear... i know pubs that have indoor smoking areas and other swinging clubs that do... all are regularly inspected and not fined or closed down.. so there are variations. There's even an exemption in the house of commons where our not so lovable mps have an inside smoking room... House of Commons and Parliament have their own rules. FACT They should lock them all up in the smoking room and throw the key in the Thames!" On that point, I totally agree!! lol xx | |||
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"I don't smoke but £15 minimum for each time you want to smoke a cigar (not cigarettes mind) is hardly a return to indoor smoking - you can't take your own for example. " The kind of customer they attract are not worried by spending £15 sovs...they have a place in Mayfair London that attracts the wealthiest guys in the world to its doors | |||
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"Obviously someone has got far far to much time on their handsI agree it's getting a bit boring now if they aren't intending to participate they need shut up !!!!" Thankfully you dont tell us what to do... But yeah we aint here to educate people in business that should know the regs. Good luck with every TH. | |||
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"Obviously someone has got far far to much time on their handsI agree it's getting a bit boring now if they aren't intending to participate they need shut up !!!! Thankfully you dont tell us what to do... But yeah we aint here to educate people in business that should know the regs. Good luck with every TH." Not being funny but it's clear when councils get prosecuted and police etc for negligence or failings that if they don't know all there is to know about the law then what chance does a small enterprise | |||
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"Obviously someone has got far far to much time on their handsI agree it's getting a bit boring now if they aren't intending to participate they need shut up !!!! Thankfully you dont tell us what to do... But yeah we aint here to educate people in business that should know the regs. Good luck with every TH. Not being funny but it's clear when councils get prosecuted and police etc for negligence or failings that if they don't know all there is to know about the law then what chance does a small enterprise " if they get in trouble surely that's their business | |||
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"Obviously someone has got far far to much time on their handsI agree it's getting a bit boring now if they aren't intending to participate they need shut up !!!! Thankfully you dont tell us what to do... But yeah we aint here to educate people in business that should know the regs. Good luck with every TH. Not being funny but it's clear when councils get prosecuted and police etc for negligence or failings that if they don't know all there is to know about the law then what chance does a small enterprise " the smoking law is probably the simplest licensing law there is... | |||
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"Obviously someone has got far far to much time on their handsI agree it's getting a bit boring now if they aren't intending to participate they need shut up !!!! Thankfully you dont tell us what to do... But yeah we aint here to educate people in business that should know the regs. Good luck with every TH. Not being funny but it's clear when councils get prosecuted and police etc for negligence or failings that if they don't know all there is to know about the law then what chance does a small enterprise if they get in trouble surely that's their business " if they want the business to be private ...dont post on a public forum... | |||
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"Obviously someone has got far far to much time on their handsI agree it's getting a bit boring now if they aren't intending to participate they need shut up !!!! Thankfully you dont tell us what to do... But yeah we aint here to educate people in business that should know the regs. Good luck with every TH. Not being funny but it's clear when councils get prosecuted and police etc for negligence or failings that if they don't know all there is to know about the law then what chance does a small enterprise the smoking law is probably the simplest licensing law there is..." Then why did Liverpool city council take that long to grant the smoking licence ? They didn't know what he fuck they were doing coz it's illegal lol | |||
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" Jesus.... admin please could you consider leaving this link up so that these people can read that there IS actually a bar in Liverpool where people can smoke!!! http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/first-look-inside-turmeaus-cigars-11882350" As the forum rules say, Newspaper links are allowed. I think some of the confusion on the thread is because on your earlier posts you said you have these events every six months to coincide with the deep clean you do to your carpets etc so the place doesn't smell and then you go on to say that you will ask for clarification as to whether you can run the events in the club itself. | |||
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"Obviously someone has got far far to much time on their handsI agree it's getting a bit boring now if they aren't intending to participate they need shut up !!!! Thankfully you dont tell us what to do... But yeah we aint here to educate people in business that should know the regs. Good luck with every TH. Not being funny but it's clear when councils get prosecuted and police etc for negligence or failings that if they don't know all there is to know about the law then what chance does a small enterprise the smoking law is probably the simplest licensing law there is... Then why did Liverpool city council take that long to grant the smoking licence ? They didn't know what he fuck they were doing coz it's illegal lol" Thick people work in government... your point is... | |||
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" Jesus.... admin please could you consider leaving this link up so that these people can read that there IS actually a bar in Liverpool where people can smoke!!! http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/first-look-inside-turmeaus-cigars-11882350 As the forum rules say, Newspaper links are allowed. I think some of the confusion on the thread is because on your earlier posts you said you have these events every six months to coincide with the deep clean you do to your carpets etc so the place doesn't smell and then you go on to say that you will ask for clarification as to whether you can run the events in the club itself." exactly this.... | |||
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"Really ..... Isnt smoking a bit out dated now ????.....uuuurgh ... There's a high end whiskey & cigar joint opened in Liverpool with a licence for indoor smoking..so it's all changing on that front. Think if you knew the establishment had 80.000 customers you wouldnt look daft saying that Yes that's right. It is a new bar being opened by Turmeaus who have applied for a special licence due to their 'specialist nature' of their business. there having a smoking area ! you dont need a licence for that... Nope, they have been granted a special licence to smoke indoors and will have lounges for people to enjoy a smoke and a whiskey. Specialist businesses can be granted licences, either on a permanent basis or one offs, similar to Temporary event notices for alcohol sales. Totally false... Read the legislation!!! No where is exempt!.. If what your saying was true every pub and club would apply for these licenses. Jesus.... admin please could you consider leaving this link up so that these people can read that there IS actually a bar in Liverpool where people can smoke!!! http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/first-look-inside-turmeaus-cigars-11882350 Wirrel environmental health know of no such license exemptions for smoking in pubs or clubs. Just spoke with a really helpful girl on the phone. Im sure you have there number.." Not sure why you had to Wirral council The laws apply to all local authorities If we wanted information on the smoking laws we would have phoned our local Staffordshire County council Just a thought | |||
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"Really ..... Isnt smoking a bit out dated now ????.....uuuurgh ... There's a high end whiskey & cigar joint opened in Liverpool with a licence for indoor smoking..so it's all changing on that front. Think if you knew the establishment had 80.000 customers you wouldnt look daft saying that Yes that's right. It is a new bar being opened by Turmeaus who have applied for a special licence due to their 'specialist nature' of their business. there having a smoking area ! you dont need a licence for that... Nope, they have been granted a special licence to smoke indoors and will have lounges for people to enjoy a smoke and a whiskey. Specialist businesses can be granted licences, either on a permanent basis or one offs, similar to Temporary event notices for alcohol sales. Totally false... Read the legislation!!! No where is exempt!.. If what your saying was true every pub and club would apply for these licenses. Jesus.... admin please could you consider leaving this link up so that these people can read that there IS actually a bar in Liverpool where people can smoke!!! http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/first-look-inside-turmeaus-cigars-11882350 Wirrel environmental health know of no such license exemptions for smoking in pubs or clubs. Just spoke with a really helpful girl on the phone. Im sure you have there number.. Not sure why you had to Wirral council The laws apply to all local authorities If we wanted information on the smoking laws we would have phoned our local Staffordshire County council Just a thought " They are TH local authority...they are the people that would send licensing or environmental people out... I wouldnt had rang Bristol CC would i??! | |||
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"Really ..... Isnt smoking a bit out dated now ????.....uuuurgh ... There's a high end whiskey & cigar joint opened in Liverpool with a licence for indoor smoking..so it's all changing on that front. Think if you knew the establishment had 80.000 customers you wouldnt look daft saying that Yes that's right. It is a new bar being opened by Turmeaus who have applied for a special licence due to their 'specialist nature' of their business. there having a smoking area ! you dont need a licence for that... Nope, they have been granted a special licence to smoke indoors and will have lounges for people to enjoy a smoke and a whiskey. Specialist businesses can be granted licences, either on a permanent basis or one offs, similar to Temporary event notices for alcohol sales. Totally false... Read the legislation!!! No where is exempt!.. If what your saying was true every pub and club would apply for these licenses. Jesus.... admin please could you consider leaving this link up so that these people can read that there IS actually a bar in Liverpool where people can smoke!!! http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/first-look-inside-turmeaus-cigars-11882350 Wirrel environmental health know of no such license exemptions for smoking in pubs or clubs. Just spoke with a really helpful girl on the phone. Im sure you have there number.. Not sure why you had to Wirral council The laws apply to all local authorities If we wanted information on the smoking laws we would have phoned our local Staffordshire County council Just a thought They are TH local authority...they are the people that would send licensing or environmental people out... I wouldnt had rang Bristol CC would i??!" Oh I see that's why the wirral council... You would like see licensing and environmental to visit the good people of TH And no we're not members of TH But wish them and their business all the best.... | |||
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"Really ..... Isnt smoking a bit out dated now ????.....uuuurgh ... There's a high end whiskey & cigar joint opened in Liverpool with a licence for indoor smoking..so it's all changing on that front. Think if you knew the establishment had 80.000 customers you wouldnt look daft saying that Yes that's right. It is a new bar being opened by Turmeaus who have applied for a special licence due to their 'specialist nature' of their business. there having a smoking area ! you dont need a licence for that... Nope, they have been granted a special licence to smoke indoors and will have lounges for people to enjoy a smoke and a whiskey. Specialist businesses can be granted licences, either on a permanent basis or one offs, similar to Temporary event notices for alcohol sales. Totally false... Read the legislation!!! No where is exempt!.. If what your saying was true every pub and club would apply for these licenses. Jesus.... admin please could you consider leaving this link up so that these people can read that there IS actually a bar in Liverpool where people can smoke!!! http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/first-look-inside-turmeaus-cigars-11882350 Wirrel environmental health know of no such license exemptions for smoking in pubs or clubs. Just spoke with a really helpful girl on the phone. Im sure you have there number.. Not sure why you had to Wirral council The laws apply to all local authorities If we wanted information on the smoking laws we would have phoned our local Staffordshire County council Just a thought They are TH local authority...they are the people that would send licensing or environmental people out... I wouldnt had rang Bristol CC would i??! Oh I see that's why the wirral council... You would like see licensing and environmental to visit the good people of TH And no we're not members of TH But wish them and their business all the best.... " Lol you for real ...I couldnt give a shit who visits them ...I didnt even mention them to wirrel council...I rang the appropriate local authority to TH to help clarifying the matter... shit stiring on the forums lol no wonder no one uses this part of the site ... ridiculous. | |||
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" I think some of the confusion on the thread is because on your earlier posts you said you have these events every six months to coincide with the deep clean you do to your carpets etc so the place doesn't smell and then you go on to say that you will ask for clarification as to whether you can run the events in the club itself. Well said. I think someone is tying herself up in knots " This is exactly why I posted... Then this ridiculous thread turned into an argument. Great advert for there business... | |||
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" I think some of the confusion on the thread is because on your earlier posts you said you have these events every six months to coincide with the deep clean you do to your carpets etc so the place doesn't smell and then you go on to say that you will ask for clarification as to whether you can run the events in the club itself. Well said. I think someone is tying herself up in knots This is exactly why I posted... Then this ridiculous thread turned into an argument. Great advert for there business... " It's been wonderful actually!! haha the phone has been like bat phone and we already fully booked for overnights and single guys at several our events after my fab inbox went mad. So this thread has been a blessing Funny how things work out...the no publicity is bad publicity and all that! PMSL | |||
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" I think some of the confusion on the thread is because on your earlier posts you said you have these events every six months to coincide with the deep clean you do to your carpets etc so the place doesn't smell and then you go on to say that you will ask for clarification as to whether you can run the events in the club itself. Well said. I think someone is tying herself up in knots This is exactly why I posted... Then this ridiculous thread turned into an argument. Great advert for there business... It's been wonderful actually!! haha the phone has been like bat phone and we already fully booked for overnights and single guys at several our events after my fab inbox went mad. So this thread has been a blessing Funny how things work out...the no publicity is bad publicity and all that! PMSL " | |||
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" I think some of the confusion on the thread is because on your earlier posts you said you have these events every six months to coincide with the deep clean you do to your carpets etc so the place doesn't smell and then you go on to say that you will ask for clarification as to whether you can run the events in the club itself. Well said. I think someone is tying herself up in knots This is exactly why I posted... Then this ridiculous thread turned into an argument. Great advert for there business... It's been wonderful actually!! haha the phone has been like bat phone and we already fully booked for overnights and single guys at several our events after my fab inbox went mad. So this thread has been a blessing Funny how things work out...the no publicity is bad publicity and all that! PMSL " what ever you need to say to make yourself feel good...is cool =) I wish you all the success in the world... | |||
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" I think some of the confusion on the thread is because on your earlier posts you said you have these events every six months to coincide with the deep clean you do to your carpets etc so the place doesn't smell and then you go on to say that you will ask for clarification as to whether you can run the events in the club itself. Well said. I think someone is tying herself up in knots This is exactly why I posted... Then this ridiculous thread turned into an argument. Great advert for there business... It's been wonderful actually!! haha the phone has been like bat phone and we already fully booked for overnights and single guys at several our events after my fab inbox went mad. So this thread has been a blessing Funny how things work out...the no publicity is bad publicity and all that! PMSL " Every cloud and all that | |||
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" I think some of the confusion on the thread is because on your earlier posts you said you have these events every six months to coincide with the deep clean you do to your carpets etc so the place doesn't smell and then you go on to say that you will ask for clarification as to whether you can run the events in the club itself. Well said. I think someone is tying herself up in knots This is exactly why I posted... Then this ridiculous thread turned into an argument. Great advert for there business... It's been wonderful actually!! haha the phone has been like bat phone and we already fully booked for overnights and single guys at several our events after my fab inbox went mad. So this thread has been a blessing Funny how things work out...the no publicity is bad publicity and all that! PMSL Every cloud and all that " Smokey cloud? PMSL xx | |||
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" I think some of the confusion on the thread is because on your earlier posts you said you have these events every six months to coincide with the deep clean you do to your carpets etc so the place doesn't smell and then you go on to say that you will ask for clarification as to whether you can run the events in the club itself. Well said. I think someone is tying herself up in knots This is exactly why I posted... Then this ridiculous thread turned into an argument. Great advert for there business... It's been wonderful actually!! haha the phone has been like bat phone and we already fully booked for overnights and single guys at several our events after my fab inbox went mad. So this thread has been a blessing Funny how things work out...the no publicity is bad publicity and all that! PMSL Every cloud and all that Smokey cloud? PMSL xx" Clouds of 'outdoor' smoke xx | |||
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