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Single guys entrance fee at clubs

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

As a single guy i find the entrance fees at clubs far too expensive £30 or £40 is way over the top , with m/fs getting in for half price and single females free , people wonder why the single guy/s seem to be so pushy , i am not a pushy person and have total respect for fellow swingers, if the clubs started charging £15 to £25 for single male entry the bad reputation of the single guy would go and the ambience would be better , i just think us single guys are getting the short straw all round with entrance to clubs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Would it make you happier if everyone paid £40?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

No not at all i havent got a problem with half price couples or free single females i just the single guy price ott

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By *oing soloCouple over a year ago

no where near you

We have found that off some single guys thinking that the £40 entry fee is a dead cert for sex.... sorry those guys who think that need a brothel not a swingers club .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We have found that off some single guys thinking that the £40 entry fee is a dead cert for sex.... sorry those guys who think that need a brothel not a swingers club ."

I think the higher prices for single guys gives some a very bitter sense of entitlement.

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By *ngel_screwballCouple over a year ago

Birmingham

How boring, get a life and stop whinging, swinging is mainly for couples!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

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By *rs PleasuresWoman over a year ago

Sheffield

I feel the same going to the hairdressers. Having to pay a much higher amount is highly annoying.

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

This subject comes up quite a lot so you are not alone, although it does tend to be new ish guys to the scene who start the threads.

If you type in 'single guy prices' or similar in the search box to the left, loads of threads will come up which you will find interesting. Just saves everyone repeating themselves on a subject which is discussed quite regularly xx

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By *entkevMan over a year ago

Dover

To be fair all of the clubs over charge and under value single males.

I'm a member and regular at a big club, they spin everything to entice single guys in. Knowing that the headcount is 1f to 20m, and when you talk to the staff or owners they make it clear that they despise the men... referring to them as perverted cash cows.

But what can you do.

I decided to hang on in there, became a member, attended on a regular basis and proved to them all that actually I'm just a nice bloke.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"We have found that off some single guys thinking that the £40 entry fee is a dead cert for sex.... sorry those guys who think that need a brothel not a swingers club .

I think the higher prices for single guys gives some a very bitter sense of entitlement.

This is exactly what i mean , lower prices mean less sense of entitlement , single guys rep would change , i have the upmost respect for the couples and single females and i hate to see a train of single guys follow the couples around

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By *iss Penny TrationWoman over a year ago

If the price was lowered, a lot of single guys would swamp the clubs and they would just see it as a 'cheap fuck'. I like to see single men at clubs, and to be honest, that's what I go for, but I can 100% understand why clubs do it and why most couples aren't overly keen on single males attending

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"How boring, get a life and stop whinging, swinging is mainly for couples!!!!"

I have a life thank you very much , if you found my thread boring nobody forced you to comment and who is it to say that swinging is just for couples ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *at69driveMan over a year ago

Hertford

"As a single guy i find the entrance fees at clubs far too expensive £30 or £40 is way over the top , with m/fs getting in for half price and single females free , people wonder why the single guy/s seem to be so pushy , i am not a pushy person and have total respect for fellow swingers, if the clubs started charging £15 to £25 for single male entry the bad reputation of the single guy would go and the ambience would be better , i just think us single guys are getting the short straw all round with entrance to clubs"
. As no one is compelled to attend a club, if they do not like the pricing policy they can simply boycott the clubs which they believe are too expensive .

If clubs were to lower their entrance fees , they would be flooded with single men.

Under the current price structure , it ensures that there is a reasonable ratio of males to couples and females .

If prices were lowered , how many would want to attend a club full of blokes .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would it make you happier if everyone paid £40?"
the entry fee should be same across the board , the single guys who get so much bad publicity in the forums but who are making the clubs more accessible for couples and especially single females are being unfairly treated ,women want to be treated as equals and so they should be and as equals they should pay the same fee as men

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How boring, get a life and stop whinging, swinging is mainly for couples!!!!"

What a shitty attitude! And you wonder why people consider some couple up their own arses!! No doubt you're the type who think single women are OK to swing. Not for your own selfish reasons of course

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We have found that off some single guys thinking that the £40 entry fee is a dead cert for sex.... sorry those guys who think that need a brothel not a swingers club .

I think the higher prices for single guys gives some a very bitter sense of entitlement.

So do I.

At the price some clubs charge it's hardly surprising some men want a returm

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

charge all peeps the same, simple and keep an eye on the numbers, but maybe a lot of clubs /parties would go under if the single guys didn't go and pay through the nose.???

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"How boring, get a life and stop whinging, swinging is mainly for couples!!!!

What a shitty attitude! And you wonder why people consider some couple up their own arses!! No doubt you're the type who think single women are OK to swing. Not for your own selfish reasons of course

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As a single guy i find the entrance fees at clubs far too expensive £30 or £40 is way over the top , with m/fs getting in for half price and single females free , people wonder why the single guy/s seem to be so pushy , i am not a pushy person and have total respect for fellow swingers, if the clubs started charging £15 to £25 for single male entry the bad reputation of the single guy would go and the ambience would be better , i just think us single guys are getting the short straw all round with entrance to clubs. As no one is compelled to attend a club, if they do not like the pricing policy they can simply boycott the clubs which they believe are too expensive .

If clubs were to lower their entrance fees , they would be flooded with single men.

Under the current price structure , it ensures that there is a reasonable ratio of males to couples and females .

If prices were lowered , how many would want to attend a club full of blokes . "

But being able to afford the entry fee is no guarantee someone knows how to behave

There are clubs that charge less but vet and limit single men,

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By *onkeydickspartiesMan over a year ago

SALISBURY Sat 20th MAY Mixed Erotic Party

"This subject comes up quite a lot so you are not alone, although it does tend to be new ish guys to the scene who start the threads.

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By *issBanterWoman over a year ago

Chelmsford

I think guys are ripped off with the prices they pay, though its their choice to pay and go in, though why cant clubs lower price of guys then limit the amount of guys who can go in, I go to clubs for single guys after all swinging isn't just for couples

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As someone else said,if you think the price is too high,don't go,if all single guys boycott the club and that price then they may be forced to lower it.

However,more likely they have done their market research and found the price they charge is about right,that's how business works.

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By *alphy187Man over a year ago

cambridge

As a single guy I agree pricing isn't right for us and also that the higher the price the more pushy guys can be.

Couples price is typically £20 guys, £30-£40 which effectively means guys pay three times what half of one couple pays, ie £10 each.

Reducing the price would not swamp an organised club as they would still allow the same number of single guys.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I think the higher prices for single guys gives some a very bitter sense of entitlement.

i disagree... I think some people will always have some sense of entitlement for walking thru the door... and that has nothing to do with money....

after all... if you wanted guarenteed sex, there are loads of adverts in local telephone boxes and local papers.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think guys are ripped off with the prices they pay, though its their choice to pay and go in, though why cant clubs lower price of guys then limit the amount of guys who can go in, I go to clubs for single guys after all swinging isn't just for couples

Well said! X

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By *urvymamaWoman over a year ago

Doncaster

This old chestnut again. I appreciate what your saying but It's not likely to change and to be honest considering I don't drive by the time I've paid for travel expenses, overnight childcare for accommodation, not to mention grooming and lingerie as well as my enterance fee I've normally spent more than a guy has to attend a club

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would it make you happier if everyone paid £40? the entry fee should be same across the board , the single guys who get so much bad publicity in the forums but who are making the clubs more accessible for couples and especially single females are being unfairly treated ,women want to be treated as equals and so they should be and as equals they should pay the same fee as men

can you explain what you mean by single men making clubs 'more accessible' for couples and single women?....how exactly do they do that?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How boring, get a life and stop whinging, swinging is mainly for couples!!!!"

What a load of rubbish!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

can you explain what you mean by single men making clubs 'more accessible' for couples and single women?....how exactly do they do that?"

By getting single men to pay higher rates couples and single ladies can enjoy the benefit of lower entrance fees presumably

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The reason it is so high for men is cos otherwise most clubs would go bust as they couldn't cover the rent lol.

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By *at69driveMan over a year ago

Hertford

"As someone else said,if you think the price is too high,don't go,if all single guys boycott the club and that price then they may be forced to lower it.

However,more likely they have done their market research and found the price they charge is about right,that's how business works."
. A very realistic post and one that is based on common sense. Supply and demand is what governs most things in life. Why should a swingers club be any different .

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By *urvymamaWoman over a year ago

Doncaster

"As someone else said,if you think the price is too high,don't go,if all single guys boycott the club and that price then they may be forced to lower it.

However,more likely they have done their market research and found the price they charge is about right,that's how business works.. A very realistic post and one that is based on common sense. Supply and demand is what governs most things in life. Why should a swingers club be any different . "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The ratio of single males to females and the attitudes of couples on here totally put me off even looking at where the clubs are never mind attending them. One of my female friends once after we were talking about dating sites and I mentioned this site suggested we go as a couple to a club, as she was curious more than anything. I showed her replys I got off a few couples on here and she changed her mind.

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By *eneral HysteriaMan over a year ago

Newcastle

"How boring, get a life and stop whinging, swinging is mainly for couples!!!!"

Since when?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How boring, get a life and stop whinging, swinging is mainly for couples!!!!"

This kinda proves the point. What is this the 1970s car keys in the fruit bowl and choose a room?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's 2016.....swinging is for everyone! But let's not be naive! Swinging has always be associated with couples!!

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

Supply and demand.

When I go for a hair cut as a man I get charged a quarter of what women get charged.

So it's swingers and roundabouts.

Oaps get 10% off at B&Q on certain days, plus cut price tickets to sporting events.

Then there are student discounts,

If you want a fair life then I wish you luck looking for it.

In real life businesses charge the maximum they can to maximise profits. They are not sex charities.

They could not care less if the club was 100% male or if females had to pay ten times as much as males. The are unbiased to gender, but they do want to make money.

It's economics 101.

What is the price of something worth?

Whatever anyone is willing to pay for it.

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By *onkeydickspartiesMan over a year ago

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I think the higher prices for single guys gives some a very bitter sense of entitlement.

i disagree... I think some people will always have some sense of entitlement for walking thru the door... and that has nothing to do with money....

after all... if you wanted guarenteed sex, there are loads of adverts in local telephone boxes and local papers....."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

can you explain what you mean by single men making clubs 'more accessible' for couples and single women?....how exactly do they do that?"
men pay the lions share so you as a couple or a woman who gets in for nothing ,I know one in particular who goes a lot to one of the more expensive clubs she pays £10 to get in yes ok she probably wouldn't have a sex life if it wasn't for the lower fee but how should a guy that can't afford it either be penalised ,so women and coupes are more likely to go to a club because its a cheaper option for you whereas guys have to think twice cost wise and guys get dressed up to and book hotels and taxis to ,its a very expensive night out and no guarantee of anything

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would it make you happier if everyone paid £40? the entry fee should be same across the board , the single guys who get so much bad publicity in the forums but who are making the clubs more accessible for couples and especially single females are being unfairly treated ,women want to be treated as equals and so they shoiuld be and as equals they should pay the same fee as men

can you explain what you mean by single men making clubs 'more accessible' for couples and single women?....how exactly do they do that? men pay the lions share so you as a couple or a woman who gets in for nothing ,I know one in particular who goes a lot to one of the more expensive clubs she pays £10 to get in yes ok she probably wouldn't have a sex life if it wasn't for the lower fee but how should a guy that can't afford it either be penalised ,so women and coupes are more likely to go to a club because its a cheaper option for you whereas guys have to think twice cost wise and guys get dressed up to and book hotels and taxis to ,its a very expensive night out and no guarantee of anything

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and if you're an overweight and not so handsome guy even less chance they should get in for nothing

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By *teveanddebsCouple over a year ago

Norwich

"We have found that off some single guys thinking that the £40 entry fee is a dead cert for sex.... sorry those guys who think that need a brothel not a swingers club .

I think the higher prices for single guys gives some a very bitter sense of entitlement.

So do I.

At the price some clubs charge it's hardly surprising some men want a returm"

It's easy to find the 'pay for play' clubs that advertise on here although they do charge more than £40 it seems. I think the problem is that some guys are looking for pay to play at normal club prices.

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By *teveanddebsCouple over a year ago

Norwich

And just think how much a single guy can save on holidays being able to go in term time

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The way we look at it is...it's a business. So they will charge a pricing point which maximises their turnover and profit.

The basics of supply and demand...over supply of single guys means higher prices. Median of couples probably means fair price. Lack of single females means cheaper prices. It's just business.

To be honest we don't attend clubs and just go to private parties. They are free for all and at least you know who is coming in advance x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How boring, get a life and stop whinging, swinging is mainly for couples!!!!

I have a life thank you very much , if you found my thread boring nobody forced you to comment and who is it to say that swinging is just for couples ?"

Well said.....This is my experience of most couples attitude here in the forums unfortunately. Crass and arrogant towards most others on this matter. Read the related threads and you'll see what i mean. There are a few nice ones I've chatted with but it's only a few.

I thought 2016 was going to be different judging by what many were saying last week... lmao.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you want a sure thing, get a hooker x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you want a sure thing, get a hooker x"
oh I don't need sex for the sake of sex I would consider a club with a partner but not at those prices

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Supply and demand.

When I go for a hair cut as a man I get charged a quarter of what women get charged.

So it's swingers and roundabouts.

Oaps get 10% off at B&Q on certain days, plus cut price tickets to sporting events.

Then there are student discounts,

If you want a fair life then I wish you luck looking for it.

In real life businesses charge the maximum they can to maximise profits. They are not sex charities.

They could not care less if the club was 100% male or if females had to pay ten times as much as males. The are unbiased to gender, but they do want to make money.

It's economics 101.

What is the price of something worth?

Whatever anyone is willing to pay for it.

At least in these places you get what you paid for....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why would the reputation of singles guys get better when you say yourself the price doesnt make you pushy.

Surely pushy people will be pushy regardless of fee

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As a single guy i find the entrance fees at clubs far too expensive £30 or £40 is way over the top , with m/fs getting in for half price and single females free , people wonder why the single guy/s seem to be so pushy , i am not a pushy person and have total respect for fellow swingers, if the clubs started charging £15 to £25 for single male entry the bad reputation of the single guy would go and the ambience would be better , i just think us single guys are getting the short straw all round with entrance to clubs. As no one is compelled to attend a club, if they do not like the pricing policy they can simply boycott the clubs which they believe are too expensive .

If clubs were to lower their entrance fees , they would be flooded with single men.

Under the current price structure , it ensures that there is a reasonable ratio of males to couples and females .

If prices were lowered , how many would want to attend a club full of blokes . "

Or they could you know just limit numbers...

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

It wouldn't go at all. Just because someone pays money fir something doesn't change their attitude. Some people just expect to be able to play with whoever they like and forgo any pleasantries such ask talking or asking permission.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would it make you happier if everyone paid £40?"

Yes. Complete parity.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How boring, get a life and stop whinging, swinging is mainly for couples!!!!"

So what you are saying that if you are a single man, so go away.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And just think how much a single guy can save on holidays being able to go in term time

Unless the single guy works in education of course ... or is a single parent

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The actual price to attend clubs will be the price for single males. Couples and single females prices are reduced as they are under represented. The reduction should encourage this group to attend. These in turn 'attract' more single men. Just good business sense.

Nothing will change. Men talk about boycotting clubs but there will always be those willing to pay the price, whatever the price, for club entry.

We all have choices. If you don't agree with club pricing - don't go. See it as your protest against unfair pricing but it will change nothing.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

If the price was lower, men would be moaning about not being able to get into clubs because the quota of men had been reached, or that there were hundreds of men and no women. You wouldn't be any happier.

More single men than single women want to go to clubs, which is the basis of the problem.

I don't think charging men more is fair, but putting the price down wouldn't solve the fundamental issue. Most single men want to go to clubs to meet and have sex with women and far fewer women than men go. As long as this imbalance exists, single men (generally speaking) will not be happy with the way things are in clubs.

It's the same on here, to an extent. Men and women are charged the same (i.e. nothing), but the men aren't happy because there are too few women, the women are too picky, the women are rude and don't reply to messages and so on. And despite it being a free site, a lot of men still think they are entitled to something from the women.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Would it make you happier if everyone paid £40?

Yes. Complete parity."

And no women in the clubs.

Yes, I can see men being happy with that!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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couldnt agree more.not all clubs charge ridiculous prices and no they are not full of sleazy guys.always been a good mix when ive been these places

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I think the higher prices for single guys gives some a very bitter sense of entitlement.

i disagree... I think some people will always have some sense of entitlement for walking thru the door... and that has nothing to do with money....

after all... if you wanted guarenteed sex, there are loads of adverts in local telephone boxes and local papers....."

^ this. Just look at the sense of entitlement from some on here, who've paid nothing!

Wah, wah, the women are too picky, wah, the ordinary blokes aren't given a chance, wah, women are rude and don't reply...

The expectation that anyone deserves to be given a 'chance' just because they are on here is ridiculous. If someone doesn't fancy someone else they owe them nothing. A guy may be the nicest guy ever but if he's not what a woman wants, why does she owe him a chance?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am happy to say that I have never been to a swingers club and have no intentions of changing that.

A liking for cock means I can nip to a sauna a have pretty much guaranteed fun for under £20.

No membership, no waiting lists, no need to sit and chat bollocks in the hope of getting a shag.

I stick to socialising on here for that 'fix'

So guys, start liking cock. Fanny is just so 1980's

Just think : It's much cheaper, no where near as much hard work, you're pretty much guaranteed a gobble and you're not made to feel like a lepper in the process

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I am happy to say that I have never been to a swingers club and have no intentions of changing that.

A liking for cock means I can nip to a sauna a have pretty much guaranteed fun for under £20.

No membership, no waiting lists, no need to sit and chat bollocks in the hope of getting a shag.

I stick to socialising on here for that 'fix'

So guys, start liking cock. Fanny is just so 1980's

Just think : It's much cheaper, no where near as much hard work, you're pretty much guaranteed a gobble and you're not made to feel like a lepper in the process

If only straight saunas (of this type) existed...

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

"Supply and demand.

When I go for a hair cut as a man I get charged a quarter of what women get charged.

So it's swingers and roundabouts.

Oaps get 10% off at B&Q on certain days, plus cut price tickets to sporting events.

Then there are student discounts,

If you want a fair life then I wish you luck looking for it.

In real life businesses charge the maximum they can to maximise profits. They are not sex charities.

They could not care less if the club was 100% male or if females had to pay ten times as much as males. The are unbiased to gender, but they do want to make money.

It's economics 101.

What is the price of something worth?

Whatever anyone is willing to pay for it.

At least in these places you get what you paid for....

You get what you pay for at a club to.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Supply and demand.

When I go for a hair cut as a man I get charged a quarter of what women get charged.

So it's swingers and roundabouts.

Oaps get 10% off at B&Q on certain days, plus cut price tickets to sporting events.

Then there are student discounts,

If you want a fair life then I wish you luck looking for it.

In real life businesses charge the maximum they can to maximise profits. They are not sex charities.

They could not care less if the club was 100% male or if females had to pay ten times as much as males. The are unbiased to gender, but they do want to make money.

It's economics 101.

What is the price of something worth?

Whatever anyone is willing to pay for it.

At least in these places you get what you paid for....

You get what you pay for at a club to.

Yep. It's only the ones who think they're paying for guaranteed sex that think otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would it make you happier if everyone paid £40?

Yes. Complete parity.

And no women in the clubs.

Yes, I can see men being happy with that!"
but why would a woman not go if she had to pay £40 ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As someone else said,if you think the price is too high,don't go,if all single guys boycott the club and that price then they may be forced to lower it.

Yep - have to agree with the supply and demand. Another interesting addition is this - my erotic outfits cost 30 to 60 pounds, some items last a year, some items get ripped or ruined on first wear - stockings cost between 5 and 15 pounds and can only be worn once or twice at most - some ladies also have other high costs ( hairdo, grooming and make up can be cheap or expensive depending on many factors). So with these costs in mind - maybe charging couples and single ladies a third less than the single man charges would be a fair compromise?

A new premises that has opened in Leeds have changed from free entry to 5pounds for single ladies - I have been 3 times since they started charging us - I feel totally happy with the price, in fact I would gladly pay 10 pounds - the improvec facilities are well worth it.

I would not pay the same price as a single man - no - I think a lady or a couple should pay less than a single man because of supply and demand in the swinging world and because us ladies spend alot of time and effort and money on presenting ourselves.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Most people seam to forget these places are a business. They have to cover all costs and make a profit or they go bust.

In my business all our engineers are trained to do two different jobs, we turn up in the same van with the same tool kit and spend the same amount of time on site, yet we charge triple for one of the skills. Why? Because the customer will pay it because not many people do it. Supply and demand.

Single men who want a better chance of sex should join Tinder.

We won't swing with single men as we both want to swap and play, so we mostly only go to couples nights.

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

We would quite happily pay more.... for guaranteed couples only nights. As it is, clubs we go to on couples only nights are starting to get couples in where the male half of the 'couple' has hired the female so that he can get in. The female then sits in the corner while the male does what most single guys do on mixed nights- makes a nuisance of himself.

This costs the male substantially more than the entrance fee on a mixed night, but as one guy put it when we tackled him about it, 'it means there are more couples in, and far less single men, so more opportunity for me and I'm more guaranteed to have a good time'. When we suggested that he could simply cut out the middle man and have a guaranteed good time with a prostitute, his response was that he didn't pay for sex!

So on that basis, if the fees for single guys were reduced, there would be far more single guys in clubs, far less couples (more couples want couples than single guys) and less opportunity for single guys to play.

When I was a single guy going to clubs, I'd have happily paid two or three times more than I was if it meant fewer single guys would be there.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Would it make you happier if everyone paid £40?

Yes. Complete parity.

And no women in the clubs.

Yes, I can see men being happy with that! but why would a woman not go if she had to pay £40 ?

There are already far fewer women than men that go when they get in for free/cheaper. Do you really think as many or more would go if the price went up?

Just as more people would want to go if it was cheaper, fewer go if it's more expensive.

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By *teveanddebsCouple over a year ago

Norwich

If only straight saunas (of this type) existed..."

Maybe they did, and then started charging everyone the same entrance fee

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"As someone else said,if you think the price is too high,don't go,if all single guys boycott the club and that price then they may be forced to lower it.

This is very true. Outfits, makeup, nails, hair and the rest all cost a bomb.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Supply and demand.

When I go for a hair cut as a man I get charged a quarter of what women get charged.

So it's swingers and roundabouts.

Oaps get 10% off at B&Q on certain days, plus cut price tickets to sporting events.

Then there are student discounts,

If you want a fair life then I wish you luck looking for it.

In real life businesses charge the maximum they can to maximise profits. They are not sex charities.

They could not care less if the club was 100% male or if females had to pay ten times as much as males. The are unbiased to gender, but they do want to make money.

It's economics 101.

What is the price of something worth?

Whatever anyone is willing to pay for it.

At least in these places you get what you paid for....

You get what you pay for at a club to.

Really? What extras do men get, that they have to pay more for?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am happy to say that I have never been to a swingers club and have no intentions of changing that.

A liking for cock means I can nip to a sauna a have pretty much guaranteed fun for under £20.

No membership, no waiting lists, no need to sit and chat bollocks in the hope of getting a shag.

I stick to socialising on here for that 'fix'

So guys, start liking cock. Fanny is just so 1980's

Just think : It's much cheaper, no where near as much hard work, you're pretty much guaranteed a gobble and you're not made to feel like a lepper in the process

I find this post cynical and it makes me feel sad - I like to play heteto and bi, I am attracted to many many men and to some women too - attraction is nothing to do with the cost of the entrance fee of a club - for a bisexual man to suggest that a straight man should opt for a free man to man wank or bj or fuck rather than pay to enter a swingers club is very demeaning to both genders. ??

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"At least in these places you get what you paid for....

What, exactly, do you think you're paying for?

If you want guaranteed sex there are two known hostess clubs and several brothels you can pay for. Most other clubs on here only guarantee that you get in, and possibly the chance to mingle. That's all.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

As that great swinger of the western world bill Clinton once said " It's the economy stupid! "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would it make you happier if everyone paid £40?

Yes. Complete parity.

And no women in the clubs.

Yes, I can see men being happy with that! but why would a woman not go if she had to pay £40 ?

There are already far fewer women than men that go when they get in for free/cheaper. Do you really think as many or more would go if the price went up?

Just as more people would want to go if it was cheaper, fewer go if it's more expensive.

There are plenty of guys on this thread alone who say they won't pay the prices clubs charge. Why would women be any different? And there are already far fewer women that want to go than men. It's not complicated maths."
so you are saying you as a woman wouldn't go if you had to pay £40 so see the flip side of that !!!!

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Supply and demand.

When I go for a hair cut as a man I get charged a quarter of what women get charged.

So it's swingers and roundabouts.

Oaps get 10% off at B&Q on certain days, plus cut price tickets to sporting events.

Then there are student discounts,

If you want a fair life then I wish you luck looking for it.

In real life businesses charge the maximum they can to maximise profits. They are not sex charities.

They could not care less if the club was 100% male or if females had to pay ten times as much as males. The are unbiased to gender, but they do want to make money.

It's economics 101.

What is the price of something worth?

Whatever anyone is willing to pay for it.

At least in these places you get what you paid for....

You get what you pay for at a club to.

Really? What extras do men get, that they have to pay more for?"

It's clear what's on offer before they go in though, and if they choose to go in, that's what they get.

It's the guys who don't get the sex they think they should be guaranteed that complain they don't get what they paid for.

What they are paying for is a social environment where they can meet other people interested in swinging. That's what they get.

(I still don't necessarily think it's right men pay more, but they do get what they pay for, whether that matches their expectations or not).

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am happy to say that I have never been to a swingers club and have no intentions of changing that.

A liking for cock means I can nip to a sauna a have pretty much guaranteed fun for under £20.

No membership, no waiting lists, no need to sit and chat bollocks in the hope of getting a shag.

I stick to socialising on here for that 'fix'

So guys, start liking cock. Fanny is just so 1980's

Just think : It's much cheaper, no where near as much hard work, you're pretty much guaranteed a gobble and you're not made to feel like a lepper in the process

Great way of getting some new virgin men into his sauna though

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Would it make you happier if everyone paid £40?

Yes. Complete parity.

And no women in the clubs.

Yes, I can see men being happy with that! but why would a woman not go if she had to pay £40 ?

There are already far fewer women than men that go when they get in for free/cheaper. Do you really think as many or more would go if the price went up?

Just as more people would want to go if it was cheaper, fewer go if it's more expensive.

so you are saying you as a woman wouldn't go if you had to pay £40 so see the flip side of that !!!!

Guys do go though. Clubs don't have to lower the price to get the numbers in.

So what flipside exactly are you talking about?

How would it help men going to clubs if no women go?

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By *teveanddebsCouple over a year ago

Norwich

" so you are saying you as a woman wouldn't go if you had to pay £40 so see the flip side of that !!!!

But the fact is that enough men will pay. That's where the supply and demand bit comes in.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The guy who started this thread said its a ridiculous charge to pay £30-40 some clubs in my area charge more ,so couples and women who go to clubs wouldn't pay what single guys pay to get in and if they had to wouldn't go ,is that a correct assumption but say for example it isn't a correct assumption and making the price a fair one for all actually increased interest and revenue

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" so you are saying you as a woman wouldn't go if you had to pay £40 so see the flip side of that !!!!

But the fact is that enough men will pay. That's where the supply and demand bit comes in."

But does it attract a certain type of man who is willing to pay it?

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

" so you are saying you as a woman wouldn't go if you had to pay £40 so see the flip side of that !!!!

But the fact is that enough men will pay. That's where the supply and demand bit comes in."

Funny how all the guys are completely ignoring that it costs the women many times more to get their hair done, and that women need to buy outfits and cosmetics etc. Apparently that's reasonable. But anything that costs men more than women, omg, how unfair!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

For those claiming it is expensive because of cost of hair, nails, make up, outfits and so on ... that's your choice, just like it's the mans choice to pay an entrance fee or not.

When broken down, a lot of (but not all) guys are interested in your fanny and other available holes, not in how much your hair cost.

They just aren't all that interested in that stuff. That's for you. To make you 'feel sexy' or whatever. Not for them. Don't kid yourself.

If they are interested, it's because you 'feeling sexy' might up their chances of a gobbly wank.

I expect the white knights to come racing in now, chargers set to full charm and protect mode.

I expect the women to decry such vulgarity.

I expect the men folk protecting their wives and by default, their honour.

I expect to be defamed as one of those disrespectful single males that doesn't understand swinging or women and thinks they're just a piece of meat.

Or I could just be dismissed as a lunatic.

I am none of these things, but I do have a tendancy to see things at their stripped back face value.

As for the guys that are moaning about club prices, don't go. Or pay it and shut up. Nothing will change. No matter how hard you shake your rattle.

It's futile. Just like this post

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

"Supply and demand.

When I go for a hair cut as a man I get charged a quarter of what women get charged.

So it's swingers and roundabouts.

Oaps get 10% off at B&Q on certain days, plus cut price tickets to sporting events.

Then there are student discounts,

If you want a fair life then I wish you luck looking for it.

In real life businesses charge the maximum they can to maximise profits. They are not sex charities.

They could not care less if the club was 100% male or if females had to pay ten times as much as males. The are unbiased to gender, but they do want to make money.

It's economics 101.

What is the price of something worth?

Whatever anyone is willing to pay for it.

At least in these places you get what you paid for....

You get what you pay for at a club to.

Really? What extras do men get, that they have to pay more for?"

They get no extras. But I don't get extra when I pay more for my ticket to a sporting event than an oap. I don't get less when I pay less than a woman for a haircut.

You are assuming price is driven by the product, it's not it's driven by demand.

I can get in cheaper as a couple to watch a film than I can as a single man, the experience is the same.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The actual price to attend clubs will be the price for single males. Couples and single females prices are reduced as they are under represented. The reduction should encourage this group to attend. These in turn 'attract' more single men. Just good business sense.

Nothing will change. Men talk about boycotting clubs but there will always be those willing to pay the price, whatever the price, for club entry.

We all have choices. If you don't agree with club pricing - don't go. See it as your protest against unfair pricing but it will change nothing. "

Well said !

We go to a west mids club and there are always lots of single guys there and less couples and fems so obviously there are plenty of single guys who are willing to pay a higher entrance fee so the clubs will carry on charging it

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

" so you are saying you as a woman wouldn't go if you had to pay £40 so see the flip side of that !!!!

But the fact is that enough men will pay. That's where the supply and demand bit comes in.

But does it attract a certain type of man who is willing to pay it?

You get some entitled idiots but most the men I meet at clubs are decent blokes looking to have a fun night out.

A pub crawl in York will be up costing way more than most swinger clubs in the North charge for men to enter, so I assume the men complaining of being charged to enter a club prefer to spend a fortune on beer to end up shagging behind some bins.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

" so you are saying you as a woman wouldn't go if you had to pay £40 so see the flip side of that !!!!

But the fact is that enough men will pay. That's where the supply and demand bit comes in.

But does it attract a certain type of man who is willing to pay it?

I don't think it does. It may put off certain men but I think clubs have a variety of types of men.

It's not just rude or entitled ones, and you get those everywhere, including here.

I think a lot of guys misunderstand what clubs, sites like this etc are about.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"For those claiming it is expensive because of cost of hair, nails, make up, outfits and so on ... that's your choice, just like it's the mans choice to pay an entrance fee or not.

When broken down, a lot of (but not all) guys are interested in your fanny and other available holes, not in how much your hair cost.

They just aren't all that interested in that stuff. That's for you. To make you 'feel sexy' or whatever. Not for them. Don't kid yourself.

If they are interested, it's because you 'feeling sexy' might up their chances of a gobbly wank.

I expect the white knights to come racing in now, chargers set to full charm and protect mode.

I expect the women to decry such vulgarity.

I expect the men folk protecting their wives and by default, their honour.

I expect to be defamed as one of those disrespectful single males that doesn't understand swinging or women and thinks they're just a piece of meat.

Or I could just be dismissed as a lunatic.

I am none of these things, but I do have a tendancy to see things at their stripped back face value.

As for the guys that are moaning about club prices, don't go. Or pay it and shut up. Nothing will change. No matter how hard you shake your rattle.

It's futile. Just like this post "

I can just imagine the comments from the men about the 'quality' of the women at a venue if they didn't dress up and make an effort to present themselves nicely!

Women may well do it for themselves - as they should - but the men would soon notice and complain if they didn't.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As someone else said,if you think the price is too high,don't go,if all single guys boycott the club and that price then they may be forced to lower it.

I struggle sometimes to tell when people are being serious or being sarcastic, are you seriously suggesting that clubs should be cheaper for wpmen effectively in order to subsidise your clothing and make up costs?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" so you are saying you as a woman wouldn't go if you had to pay £40 so see the flip side of that !!!!

But the fact is that enough men will pay. That's where the supply and demand bit comes in.

But does it attract a certain type of man who is willing to pay it?

Does it attract a certain type of woman/ couple that likes the thought of men having to pay ridiculous prices in the hope of fucking them? Would they feel as sexy if the guy had only paid a tenner?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How boring, get a life and stop whinging, swinging is mainly for couples!!!!"

Talking to my neighbour yesterday

It cosys £100 to go into town

When you look at the scheme of things £30 is not that bad last time I went to night club it cost me £20 to get in

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By *enard ArgenteMan over a year ago

London and France

It's a business; supply and demand;

Simple.

The downside is that many men seem to think that because they paid a lot to get in; they are entitled to a shag;

But then it seems that many men think they are entitled, anyway, so the price is not actually the issue.

If you want guaranteed sex, pay a decent escort .

It's of no interest, to me anyway; I hate clubs; I have been persuaded to go a few times, found the whole experience utterly vile and will never set foot in one again; but that's just my preference.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As someone else said,if you think the price is too high,don't go,if all single guys boycott the club and that price then they may be forced to lower it.

Men aren't paying for guaranteed sex... but they are paying for women's make up and clothes.

Excellent.

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By *teveanddebsCouple over a year ago

Norwich

" so you are saying you as a woman wouldn't go if you had to pay £40 so see the flip side of that !!!!

But the fact is that enough men will pay. That's where the supply and demand bit comes in.

But does it attract a certain type of man who is willing to pay it?

It obviously attracts the type of men that the couples and single girls are happy to socialise with

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"As someone else said,if you think the price is too high,don't go,if all single guys boycott the club and that price then they may be forced to lower it.

No, I'm suggesting that sometimes things cost more for women than men and sometimes things cost more for men than women. That's life.

Because women pay less to get into a venue sometimes doesn't necessarily mean it's a cheaper night out for them.

I'm not suggesting clubs should be cheaper to subsidise the cost of outfits and the like for women but I am suggesting that there are costs men don't have and should consider when complaining about the disparity in the cost of their night out.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

I do wish the make up and clothing had not come into it as it has nothing to do with the price clubs charge.

You are not paying for sex or a meet or women's clothing.

You are paying an entrance fee.

Fairness and all the rest has got nothing to do with business.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"For those claiming it is expensive because of cost of hair, nails, make up, outfits and so on ... that's your choice, just like it's the mans choice to pay an entrance fee or not.

When broken down, a lot of (but not all) guys are interested in your fanny and other available holes, not in how much your hair cost.

They just aren't all that interested in that stuff. That's for you. To make you 'feel sexy' or whatever. Not for them. Don't kid yourself.

If they are interested, it's because you 'feeling sexy' might up their chances of a gobbly wank.

I expect the white knights to come racing in now, chargers set to full charm and protect mode.

I expect the women to decry such vulgarity.

I expect the men folk protecting their wives and by default, their honour.

I expect to be defamed as one of those disrespectful single males that doesn't understand swinging or women and thinks they're just a piece of meat.

Or I could just be dismissed as a lunatic.

I am none of these things, but I do have a tendancy to see things at their stripped back face value.

As for the guys that are moaning about club prices, don't go. Or pay it and shut up. Nothing will change. No matter how hard you shake your rattle.

It's futile. Just like this post "
at last a voice of reason

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Your not paying for sex your paying for entrance to a venue . The venue directs its advertising at swingers . However nuns , priests etc are welcome

What does £40 get you

One Xbox game

1 hour speed dating

2 tickets to mar well zoo

A decent chinese meal in a restaurant

Cinema , popcorn and curry

£40 is not a lot for a night out

Perhaps you should state you only meet people in the car park after the club has closed

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"As someone else said,if you think the price is too high,don't go,if all single guys boycott the club and that price then they may be forced to lower it.

Men aren't paying for guaranteed sex... but they are paying for women's make up and clothes.

Excellent.

I'm not quite sure how you reach that conclusion from what's been said.

The point is some things cost men more, some things cost women more. Men seem to think clubs are a cheap night out for women when that isn't necessarily the case.

If the price went up for women, fewer would go. I don't see how that helps anyone.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As someone else said,if you think the price is too high,don't go,if all single guys boycott the club and that price then they may be forced to lower it.

Men aren't paying for guaranteed sex... but they are paying for women's make up and clothes.

Excellent.

Come on - read my post properly please - maybe I should make my point more bluntly - I am saying that when men complain that they are hard done by because they pay more to get into the club than women they should stop and look at the women there and ask themselves - how much time and effort and money did they lady put into looking like that and have they done all that so that I will be attracted to them and want to play with them? win:win

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I do wish the make up and clothing had not come into it as it has nothing to do with the price clubs charge.

You are not paying for sex or a meet or women's clothing.

You are paying an entrance fee.

Fairness and all the rest has got nothing to do with business. "

It kind of does. The overall cost of going out is relevant to how many people go.

The hair and outfits was raised more in response to the suggestion it's a cheap night out for women when there's more to it than that.

But yes, it's not about fairness, it's business. The model clubs use clearly works for them.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

"I do wish the make up and clothing had not come into it as it has nothing to do with the price clubs charge.

You are not paying for sex or a meet or women's clothing.

You are paying an entrance fee.

Fairness and all the rest has got nothing to do with business.

It kind of does. The overall cost of going out is relevant to how many people go.

The hair and outfits was raised more in response to the suggestion it's a cheap night out for women when there's more to it than that.

But yes, it's not about fairness, it's business. The model clubs use clearly works for them."

But if clubs magically disappeared women would spend just as much on a meet. So it's not relevant to the price.

What women spend on clothes and make up etc is down to cultural and social expectations.

That is a far harder nut to crack than simple economics.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Anyway, if I go to a club I have to travel zillions of miles, pay for loads of fuel and a hotel.

That's totally unfair.

Clubs should have a responsibility to be fair and be equidistant from everyone!

It's unfair people who live farther from clubs have to travel a greater distance to them.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

I just attended the NYE party at a London club as a couple

£110 for non-member couple

£40 for non-member female

£0 for non-member males as they were not invited. I would say that it couldn't possibly get any cheaper for the single male

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As someone else said,if you think the price is too high,don't go,if all single guys boycott the club and that price then they may be forced to lower it.

Men aren't paying for guaranteed sex... but they are paying for women's make up and clothes.

Excellent.

So are you suggesting that men don;t make an effort and don;t spend money on outfits? Maybe true for you and the clubs you go to but some of us don;t turn up in cheap suits

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We have found that off some single guys thinking that the £40 entry fee is a dead cert for sex.... sorry those guys who think that need a brothel not a swingers club .

I think the higher prices for single guys gives some a very bitter sense of entitlement.

Not really. Some guys no matter what the price will think that women there are up for it ... Now personally we prefer mixed nights and have no issue with guys that get the lifestyle. It's the ones that think that the women are easy or they have a right to sex that bugs us and we have seen this across all clubs .x and not all clubs charge lots.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"As someone else said,if you think the price is too high,don't go,if all single guys boycott the club and that price then they may be forced to lower it.

Men aren't paying for guaranteed sex... but they are paying for women's make up and clothes.

Excellent.

So are you suggesting that men don;t make an effort and don;t spend money on outfits? Maybe true for you and the clubs you go to but some of us don;t turn up in cheap suits"

Suits can, however, be worn for other things. A lot of other things.

The sort of outfits women buy for clubs don't lend themselves well to work, job interviews, regular social events...

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

"As someone else said,if you think the price is too high,don't go,if all single guys boycott the club and that price then they may be forced to lower it.

Men aren't paying for guaranteed sex... but they are paying for women's make up and clothes.

Excellent.

So are you suggesting that men don;t make an effort and don;t spend money on outfits? Maybe true for you and the clubs you go to but some of us don;t turn up in cheap suits"

See the clothes argument is a red herring. Its a weak discussion point as it ties women's efforts to the price the club charges effectively tying women and the club together when they are completely separate.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"As someone else said,if you think the price is too high,don't go,if all single guys boycott the club and that price then they may be forced to lower it.

Men aren't paying for guaranteed sex... but they are paying for women's make up and clothes.

Excellent.

So are you suggesting that men don;t make an effort and don;t spend money on outfits? Maybe true for you and the clubs you go to but some of us don;t turn up in cheap suits

No, it's not but it's relevant to the total cost of the night out, (which can influence demand and supply).

It's not relevant to the club and the price they charge.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

Well I'm going to bow out at this point and look forward to attending our unfairly priced but economically astute swingers club in Leeds tonight.

Don't worry the single guys won't complain about the price at quest tonight.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I feel the same going to the hairdressers. Having to pay a much higher amount is highly annoying.

"
that's to ture why is that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As someone else said,if you think the price is too high,don't go,if all single guys boycott the club and that price then they may be forced to lower it.

Men aren't paying for guaranteed sex... but they are paying for women's make up and clothes.

Excellent.

So are you suggesting that men don;t make an effort and don;t spend money on outfits? Maybe true for you and the clubs you go to but some of us don;t turn up in cheap suits

Suits can, however, be worn for other things. A lot of other things.

The sort of outfits women buy for clubs don't lend themselves well to work, job interviews, regular social events...

I'm going clubbing tonight. I'll be wearing a £200 pair of boots and a kilt that cost me around £100. Not sure on the top yet. I'll also have a selection of floggers with me (It's primarily a fet event) worth a few hundred pounds (who said men don;t accessorize), so what of that could I wear to job interviews or social events?

People spend what they want on outfits, it's outdated thinking to suggest that women spend a fortune and men make no effort.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"As someone else said,if you think the price is too high,don't go,if all single guys boycott the club and that price then they may be forced to lower it.

Men aren't paying for guaranteed sex... but they are paying for women's make up and clothes.

Excellent.

So are you suggesting that men don;t make an effort and don;t spend money on outfits? Maybe true for you and the clubs you go to but some of us don;t turn up in cheap suits

Suits can, however, be worn for other things. A lot of other things.

The sort of outfits women buy for clubs don't lend themselves well to work, job interviews, regular social events...

People spend what they want on outfits, it's outdated thinking to suggest that women spend a fortune and men make no effort.

Fet events and swinging nights are rather different though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I feel the same going to the hairdressers. Having to pay a much higher amount is highly annoying.

Don't see many men complaining about women paying so much more to get their hair cut do you?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As someone else said,if you think the price is too high,don't go,if all single guys boycott the club and that price then they may be forced to lower it.

Men aren't paying for guaranteed sex... but they are paying for women's make up and clothes.

Excellent.

So are you suggesting that men don;t make an effort and don;t spend money on outfits? Maybe true for you and the clubs you go to but some of us don;t turn up in cheap suits

Suits can, however, be worn for other things. A lot of other things.

The sort of outfits women buy for clubs don't lend themselves well to work, job interviews, regular social events...

People spend what they want on outfits, it's outdated thinking to suggest that women spend a fortune and men make no effort.

Fet events and swinging nights are rather different though."

Really? I wear pretty similar outfits to both.

The point remains valid though. The suggestion that men make no effort when going clubbing and women do is seriously flawed and outdated.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

"I feel the same going to the hairdressers. Having to pay a much higher amount is highly annoying.

Don't see many men complaining about women paying so much more to get their hair cut do you?

Well sexism against men is so rife in society do you expect them to make a song and dance on the one exception when it's reversed?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think most of the comments have been red herrings tbh. Comparing what women spend (at their choice) and what single men pay at entrance (no pun intended) is incompatible to the original point. I would if the single men paid what they thought it was worth. The charge isn't an option...the hair, outfit, paint is though.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

"I think most of the comments have been red herrings tbh. Comparing what women spend (at their choice) and what single men pay at entrance (no pun intended) is incompatible to the original point. I would if the single men paid what they thought it was worth. The charge isn't an option...the hair, outfit, paint is though. "

I agree the price the club charges is down to simple business sense. Nothing more.

If clubs had 20 females wanting to attend for every male. Then the price structure would reverse itself.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How boring, get a life and stop whinging, swinging is mainly for couples!!!!"

And that is why some ( not me ) feel they are segregated against.....

If that's the case why should single females get in for very cheap/free??

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

"How boring, get a life and stop whinging, swinging is mainly for couples!!!!

And that is why some ( not me ) feel they are segregated against.....

If that's the case why should single females get in for very cheap/free??"

Supply & Demand

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"As someone else said,if you think the price is too high,don't go,if all single guys boycott the club and that price then they may be forced to lower it.

Men aren't paying for guaranteed sex... but they are paying for women's make up and clothes.

Excellent.

So are you suggesting that men don;t make an effort and don;t spend money on outfits? Maybe true for you and the clubs you go to but some of us don;t turn up in cheap suits

Suits can, however, be worn for other things. A lot of other things.

The sort of outfits women buy for clubs don't lend themselves well to work, job interviews, regular social events...

People spend what they want on outfits, it's outdated thinking to suggest that women spend a fortune and men make no effort.

Fet events and swinging nights are rather different though.

Really? I wear pretty similar outfits to both.

The point remains valid though. The suggestion that men make no effort when going clubbing and women do is seriously flawed and outdated.

A few men make a particular effort but in my experience most shower, maybe shave, put on smart, but regular, every day clothes and go.

In the case of women, most make an effort. The ones that don't are in the minority.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I feel the same going to the hairdressers. Having to pay a much higher amount is highly annoying.

Don't see many men complaining about women paying so much more to get their hair cut do you?

Generally a woman has her hair, washed, cut , styled. Takes way longer and is more of an event. Hence the cost.

Get to my age and its out with the clippers zip zip zip. £7 thanks very much....

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"How boring, get a life and stop whinging, swinging is mainly for couples!!!!

And that is why some ( not me ) feel they are segregated against.....

If that's the case why should single females get in for very cheap/free??"

Because they wouldn't go otherwise and the men still wouldn't be happy.

Do you want women in clubs? They need to be offered an incentive to go. That incentive is a discounted entrance fee.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just curious as to what the op would spend on a vanilla night out. As 30/40quid to get in and take your own drink has got to be considerably cheaper than a night down any local town centre... And even If you personally get no physical contact the atmosphere and experience has to be a big plus from a vanilla night out x

Ps can I just point out that I personally haven't done a night out Down town on the pull ever... So no clue on actual prices.

(never done vanilla really )

Cali x

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Of course the entry fee is optional. They can choose not to go.

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

Flagrante

"We have found that off some single guys thinking that the £40 entry fee is a dead cert for sex.... sorry those guys who think that need a brothel not a swingers club .

I think the higher prices for single guys gives some a very bitter sense of entitlement.

The sense of entitlement comment always puzzles me....people pay the entrance fee to the club, not the guests, therefore the entrance fee doesn't entitle anyone to anything other than the use of the facilities, not the use of other people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How boring, get a life and stop whinging, swinging is mainly for couples!!!!

And that is why some ( not me ) feel they are segregated against.....

If that's the case why should single females get in for very cheap/free??

Because they wouldn't go otherwise and the men still wouldn't be happy.

Do you want women in clubs? They need to be offered an incentive to go. That incentive is a discounted entrance fee."

I don't care who goes to clubs as I have only ever attended as part of a couple. The proprietor should let in a good mix/ balance. I.E not have loads of single men no matter what they've paid. The point remains someone's breaking equality rules somewhere but your not likely to see Samuel Single in the small claims court/ local paper fighting his corner. He just divvys up in the hope of a shag.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Anyway, if I go to a club I have to travel zillions of miles, pay for loads of fuel and a hotel.

That's totally unfair.

Clubs should have a responsibility to be fair and be equidistant from everyone!

It's unfair people who live farther from clubs have to travel a greater distance to them."

Your choice to travel a zillion miles to a club and stay in a hotel. It's still same entrance fee no matter how far you travel

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How boring, get a life and stop whinging, swinging is mainly for couples!!!!

And that is why some ( not me ) feel they are segregated against.....

If that's the case why should single females get in for very cheap/free??

Because they wouldn't go otherwise and the men still wouldn't be happy.

Do you want women in clubs? They need to be offered an incentive to go. That incentive is a discounted entrance fee."

Really? Women need an incentive to go?

So you're saying women don't want to go to clubs but have to be "incentivised" to go in.....cause thats sounds a little...off

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How boring, get a life and stop whinging, swinging is mainly for couples!!!!

And that is why some ( not me ) feel they are segregated against.....

If that's the case why should single females get in for very cheap/free??

Because they wouldn't go otherwise and the men still wouldn't be happy.

Do you want women in clubs? They need to be offered an incentive to go. That incentive is a discounted entrance fee.

Some of us go to clubs because there will be lots of single guys

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"How boring, get a life and stop whinging, swinging is mainly for couples!!!!

And that is why some ( not me ) feel they are segregated against.....

If that's the case why should single females get in for very cheap/free??

Because they wouldn't go otherwise and the men still wouldn't be happy.

Do you want women in clubs? They need to be offered an incentive to go. That incentive is a discounted entrance fee.

It does not contravene equality rules. It's been discussed plenty on previous threads.

Private clubs can use pricing to encourage the attendance of under-represented groups.

If they charge less for single men, more will want to go but clubs will still have to restrict numbers. Then men will complain they can't get into clubs rather than the clubs charge too much.

Plus, to maintain the income, prices for women will have to increase. So fewer women will go. And the men who do get in won't be happy about that either.

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By *urvymamaWoman over a year ago

Doncaster

To be honest I haven't been to my local club (LCs) since becoming a single mum, even the £5 entry when factoring in the other costs I mentioned in my previous post, I just simply can't afford it £5 doesn't sound like much but it is to many people (especially single parents) so paying a fair price of £40, I don't begrudge but realistically if that's the case, it isn't going to happen until about 18 years time when my kids are of living their own lives

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"How boring, get a life and stop whinging, swinging is mainly for couples!!!!

And that is why some ( not me ) feel they are segregated against.....

If that's the case why should single females get in for very cheap/free??

Because they wouldn't go otherwise and the men still wouldn't be happy.

Do you want women in clubs? They need to be offered an incentive to go. That incentive is a discounted entrance fee.

Really? Women need an incentive to go?

So you're saying women don't want to go to clubs but have to be "incentivised" to go in.....cause thats sounds a little...off"

Fewer single women want to go to swinging clubs than single men, yes. A lot fewer.

If the price was higher, even fewer would go.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

"How boring, get a life and stop whinging, swinging is mainly for couples!!!!

And that is why some ( not me ) feel they are segregated against.....

If that's the case why should single females get in for very cheap/free??

Because they wouldn't go otherwise and the men still wouldn't be happy.

Do you want women in clubs? They need to be offered an incentive to go. That incentive is a discounted entrance fee.

Really? Women need an incentive to go?

So you're saying women don't want to go to clubs but have to be "incentivised" to go in.....cause thats sounds a little...off"

I think it means they have other options open to them. Clubs are in competition with this site and lots of others plus twitter and simply going out on the pull.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

The whole reason clubs can get away with charging single men more is that there is greater demand and greater supply. More men want to go and they are more interested in going than women.

Lower prices for women are intended to entice more in. It's the same as regular nightclubs.

Men go to meet women, in general. Clubs offer low prices to women to get as many in as possible, since they are the 'bait' that gets the men in.

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By *irty Girty From No 30Woman over a year ago

Burbage

Ive been to clubs were its been 10 and 20 entry for single men, i find because entry so cheap the club is over run by men, and they still as pushy as they are in the dearer clubs, so cheaper entry does not maketh less pushy people

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Sometimes when there are more men they are more pushy because there is more competition. They feel they need to be pushy to stand a chance of being noticed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What planet are you on? Since when in life is everyone treated equally? The ratio of males to females on fab isn't equal and the ratio isn't equal at clubs. The low prices for women are to entice their attendance otherwise you'd get a dick fest.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Go down the grs route or whatever political correct name it is now and then you can get in cheaper

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By *estinysswingersCouple over a year ago

Worsley

Why do these threads come up so often. There isn't a shortage of single guys in clubs so some clubs control their entry charging a higher price point. Couple are pretty balanced so are charged a middle price point. Single women less so so are charged an even lower price point. While may not seem fair and can sometimes lead to an entitlement attitude amoungst a minority. If we all paid the same it's likely see a decrease in all parties attending since it would cause imbalance.

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By *orseydaveMan over a year ago

Norwich NR5

As someone whose owned and run a club, the high single man entrance fee works well, it keeps the idiots out, just imagine a swingers club offering cheap entrance to guys, it would end up in chaos and couples and single girls wouldnt use the club

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By *riskynriskyCouple over a year ago

Essex.

The club's we go to generally charge the same for a couple or single guy. Females are charged a cheaper rate.

So if you could look at it as I am paying to get in and Frisky is getting in free...

You are never going to win. The women attract the guys. Too many guys or too pushy guys scare away the woman.

What annoys us, is when single guy is politely turned down and becomes rude and abusive...

Sex is not guaranteed at a club for anybody and no one should think that it is. Single or other wise...

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By *irty Girty From No 30Woman over a year ago

Burbage

"Would it make you happier if everyone paid £40?

Yes. Complete parity.

And no women in the clubs.

Yes, I can see men being happy with that! but why would a woman not go if she had to pay £40 ?

If a club charged me 40 i wouldn't go, i go as i enjoy the social aspect, but at 40 nah, i'd just score at meet on here for free

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By *eavenscentitCouple over a year ago

barnstaple

I am part of a swinging couple, but would love to go and meet single guys at a club alone. The thing that really puts me off is that some guys will feel they have paid to fuck me, and may follow me around making me feel totally uncomfortable. I would gladly pay the same as a guy however, it is about supply and demand.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I see this has raised its head again...

I have been both as couple, as single...

At both organised clubs and private parties...

No matter what the contributions are...

There are ALWAYS assholes...

Not just single males

I'm talking right across the board...

Single guy's, single fems, couples, owners, staff and private hosts...

Like others have stated

Pricing will never change...

As soon as someone pays and EXPECTS SEX...

HE'S AT THE WRONG PARTY...

I go along, because I enjoy being surrounded by like minded intelligent people

Where we don't have to whisper in conversation, or hide your likes...

I still go to private parties, and clubs.

But never expect to play...

My only expectation, is to have fun in the company of like minded people of all ages, size or colour...

We all have our preferences when it comes to sex.

But manners and civility, should be common traits universally given and expected by all...

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By *teveanddebsCouple over a year ago

Norwich

These threads always end up with the same arguments. But the conclusion is always the same.

If you feel that men are being charged too much at a particular venue go somewhere else.

That'll teach 'em

Or, open your own club, charge women £100 and men £0, or £50 each, or whatever.

Let us know how it goes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"For those claiming it is expensive because of cost of hair, nails, make up, outfits and so on ... that's your choice, just like it's the mans choice to pay an entrance fee or not.

When broken down, a lot of (but not all) guys are interested in your fanny and other available holes, not in how much your hair cost.

They just aren't all that interested in that stuff. That's for you. To make you 'feel sexy' or whatever. Not for them. Don't kid yourself.

If they are interested, it's because you 'feeling sexy' might up their chances of a gobbly wank.

I expect the white knights to come racing in now, chargers set to full charm and protect mode.

I expect the women to decry such vulgarity.

I expect the men folk protecting their wives and by default, their honour.

I expect to be defamed as one of those disrespectful single males that doesn't understand swinging or women and thinks they're just a piece of meat.

Or I could just be dismissed as a lunatic.

I am none of these things, but I do have a tendancy to see things at their stripped back face value.

As for the guys that are moaning about club prices, don't go. Or pay it and shut up. Nothing will change. No matter how hard you shake your rattle.

It's futile. Just like this post "

I agree. A woman's expenses prior to club entrance is irrelevant to entrance fees. Irrelevant to business but obviously relevant to the women themselves.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How boring, get a life and stop whinging, swinging is mainly for couples!!!!

And that is why some ( not me ) feel they are segregated against.....

If that's the case why should single females get in for very cheap/free??

Because they wouldn't go otherwise and the men still wouldn't be happy.

Do you want women in clubs? They need to be offered an incentive to go. That incentive is a discounted entrance fee.

Really? Women need an incentive to go?

So you're saying women don't want to go to clubs but have to be "incentivised" to go in.....cause thats sounds a little...off"

Supply and demand. Supply the women because men and couples demand it...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As someone else said,if you think the price is too high,don't go,if all single guys boycott the club and that price then they may be forced to lower it.

Men aren't paying for guaranteed sex... but they are paying for women's make up and clothes.

Excellent.

Not until the clubs give the women backhanders

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A perennial question and one that always causes arguments yet, despite the gambit of answers, nobody has yet explained the real, but unspoken, reason.

Clubs are commercial concerns, even if the management are nice and the venue value for money. The "Adult Market" can be anything from fickle to a huge cash-cow but always remember the Club needs to make a profit. One way to ensure that are these unloved pricing policies.

Couples are often charged almost the minimum a Club thinks they'll stand for, Clubs know they will walk if not and so many couples see themselves as the "centre of the universe" so they will be choosy. It's the relationship between solo-females and solo-guys that adds to a healthy till.

Females? You can forget your views on "maintenance costs" as Clubs don't consider that, rather you are the "window dressing" - incentives as it's been called on here - to get solo-guys so horny that they'll part with ANY amount of dosh to pay to get in. fairly demeaning attitude that but one based upon hard business.

Is there an answer, an alternative? No, not commercially, though many will know that "private parties" will often have a fixed fee and entry for singles is based upon referral. As to ways around this problem there have been other threads upon here complaining of Club's denying a "couple" if they are unable to prove they live together.

Surely EVERYBODY knows that sex sells and the WHOLE market is based upon finding ANY reason to get a solo guy to use his plastic?

Example. We had until about six months ago a FREE "Gold" membership on A.F.F. permitted by their "Ice Breaker" scheme, a blatant exploitation of the above if there ever was one. All we had to do was ensure our profile had pix on it and we accepted contact from solo-guys . . but, of course, these guys couldn't see our pix until they took out a subscription. Our point proven and we eventually left in disgust.

Guys? Females? Just be aware that you are part of many Club's "bread and butter" and always remember . . . if you don't like it you're FREE to walk away!

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By *rs Butterfly.Woman over a year ago

Wolverhampton

If you feel this way then simply don't go.

As couple or even a single lady there is never any guarantee you will get any action.

If you want a guaranteed result then go to a club where they have paid girls.

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By *eavenscentitCouple over a year ago

barnstaple

Prehaps a single guy would like to join me at Gems and we could go as a couple ???? If so get in touch xxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As someone else said,if you think the price is too high,don't go,if all single guys boycott the club and that price then they may be forced to lower it.

Men aren't paying for guaranteed sex... but they are paying for women's make up and clothes.

Excellent.

So are you suggesting that men don;t make an effort and don;t spend money on outfits? Maybe true for you and the clubs you go to but some of us don;t turn up in cheap suits

Suits can, however, be worn for other things. A lot of other things.

The sort of outfits women buy for clubs don't lend themselves well to work, job interviews, regular social events...

Haha, not wrong.

I've missed your posts VV

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By *un beforeMan over a year ago

london colney

Single men are just to keep fab swingers and clubs in profit

Just have to put up with it or leave simple !!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As someone else said,if you think the price is too high,don't go,if all single guys boycott the club and that price then they may be forced to lower it.

Men aren't paying for guaranteed sex... but they are paying for women's make up and clothes.

Excellent.

So are you suggesting that men don;t make an effort and don;t spend money on outfits? Maybe true for you and the clubs you go to but some of us don;t turn up in cheap suits

Suits can, however, be worn for other things. A lot of other things.

The sort of outfits women buy for clubs don't lend themselves well to work, job interviews, regular social events...

People spend what they want on outfits, it's outdated thinking to suggest that women spend a fortune and men make no effort.

Ooooh sexy. It's the floggers that do it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've never been to the club I go to and seen more women there than men, even with the difference in price for men and women.

It's just simple supply and demand.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How boring, get a life and stop whinging, swinging is mainly for couples!!!!

And that is why some ( not me ) feel they are segregated against.....

If that's the case why should single females get in for very cheap/free??

Because they wouldn't go otherwise and the men still wouldn't be happy.

Do you want women in clubs? They need to be offered an incentive to go. That incentive is a discounted entrance fee.

Really? Women need an incentive to go?

So you're saying women don't want to go to clubs but have to be "incentivised" to go in.....cause thats sounds a little...off

I think it means they have other options open to them. Clubs are in competition with this site and lots of others plus twitter and simply going out on the pull.

Clubs and sites like this go hand in hand. They are not in competition.

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By *othcpluk1Couple over a year ago

Sheffield

Simple solution, Don't let single guys in sorted. Most think they only have to wait in the play rooms then just jump on. Very few have made the effort to have a chat in the social side of the club.

And yes we do meet single guys now and then

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I see this has raised its head again...

I have been both as couple, as single...

At both organised clubs and private parties...

No matter what the contributions are...

There are ALWAYS assholes...

Not just single males

I'm talking right across the board...

Single guy's, single fems, couples, owners, staff and private hosts...

Like others have stated

Pricing will never change...

As soon as someone pays and EXPECTS SEX...

HE'S AT THE WRONG PARTY...

I go along, because I enjoy being surrounded by like minded intelligent people

Where we don't have to whisper in conversation, or hide your likes...

I still go to private parties, and clubs.

But never expect to play...

My only expectation, is to have fun in the company of like minded people of all ages, size or colour...

We all have our preferences when it comes to sex.

But manners and civility, should be common traits universally given and expected by all..."

Wonderful positive attitude - great to have your contribution on the thread, thank you - wish more swingers would think like you, m x

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Single men are just to keep fab swingers and clubs in profit

Just have to put up with it or leave simple !!!

How do single men keep this site in profit? The site is free. Donating is voluntary and is exactly the same price for everyone.