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Guys and girls.
If you was to create your own swingers club with an unlimited budget financially.
How would it look like, and what would it consist of?
We are looking at creating a club in the jewellery quarter or Edgbaston area of Birmingham exclusive for 100-150 people that looks like a boudoir and is invite only.
Let us know what you think. Would appreciate the feedback. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Guys and girls.
If you was to create your own swingers club with an unlimited budget financially.
How would it look like, and what would it consist of?
We are looking at creating a club in the jewellery quarter or Edgbaston area of Birmingham exclusive for 100-150 people that looks like a boudoir and is invite only.
Let us know what you think. Would appreciate the feedback. "
You would have to a brave person to go up against arguably the two best Clubs in the country and both of which are in the Midlands.
My advice would be to save your money or open one in the SE (somewhere like Brighton). |
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Thanks for the feedback.
I think the whole swinging lifestyle is only going to increase over the next few years. Yes there are some clubs allready in the Midlands but in sure over time there will be scope for more to open.
We want to create a really good club where everything is different to how other places operate and more importantly we are looking at creating a really high end club that isn't expensive to visit and to show people that being a part of the swinging lifestyle does have its perks of being in a club that has exquisite taste. |
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Our favourite is "Club Fantasy" in Frankfurt (Google). If you could emulate that in Birmingham we would be very happy.
It has no doors, no walls, you are surrounded everywhere by beautiful group sex, all evening!
Also important - "No street clothes" rule for both men and women.
Another good example - "Blue Heaven" in Gelsenkirchen.
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over a year ago
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There is plenty of room for more clubs. The good ones will thrive.
It's a shame it won't be further south. There isn't a decent club close to Central London |
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Thanks guys for feedback.
We want to create a massive open area where there are no walls. So that everyone can see everything. The rooms which would be for private use would be made of glass walls. So that people can still see but cannot enter the room as it would be locked by the ones who are using them inside.
We would like to have one area where there will be no clothes area. So only underwear can be worn.
Also having games where everyone is involved. So for example a padlock event where women have padlocks on their wrist and the men have the keys. So everyone has to chat to one another and see if their keys work. And then they can play with that person.
Also would like to have certain perks such as free food and maybe free drinks on certain events.
Numbers would be limited and so would invites and parties would be held once a week or every fortnight. |
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"Guys and girls.
If you was to create your own swingers club with an unlimited budget financially.
How would it look like, and what would it consist of?
We are looking at creating a club in the jewellery quarter or Edgbaston area of Birmingham exclusive for 100-150 people that looks like a boudoir and is invite only.
Let us know what you think. Would appreciate the feedback. "
Have you been to a club ? |
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over a year ago
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Eurekas is deffo the one to go to, chilled atoms there hot tubs, sauna & steam room cabins to hire if you want to stay over, dance floor and music etc really is a great night  |
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We have been to a few clubs and a lot of parties that have taken place in London that attract a certain crowd. We want to bring a new experience to swinging clubs where the members also have a say and their opinions count.
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"Eurekas is deffo the one to go to, chilled atoms there hot tubs, sauna & steam room cabins to hire if you want to stay over, dance floor and music etc really is a great night "
Totally agree with babylove.
Yep we're best friends in reality too. Initially met through this club. Attend regularly. The only club I'm happy going to alone too. Which is how I initially started attending this club. I have been to other clubs and found them intimidating and clicky as a single bi gal. The staff are all so aproacheable and the owners are always about over seeing proceedings too.
EUREKAS ROCKS!! is how I sum it up really! |
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I agree with you guys who say that there are clubs out there which are perfect. What I am trying to say is that I'm sure that every city in the Country should have a great swingers club.
The swinging industry will only get bigger year upon year and continue to have thousands more people joining every year.
I believe there is scope to have lots of clubs around the country.
I wanted some opinions in what are the things people look for in a great club.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Our 2 p worth ??
Within 100 mile radius of where you are looking to open you have several of the best clubs in the UK including 1 of the biggest.
Whilst your notion might be lovely and agree about the community growing surely from a business point of view a location where there is a need or requirement for a new swingers club would be more suited to what you want to achieve ?
We are in no way biased and all for new idea's and ventures, but you will be competing with some of the best in their class and thats no easy task for a new business  |
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Nothing wrong with competition, it just raises the standards of already existing clubs. The market is definitely growing and there is a divide in what people are looking for so variety is the key I don't think there is a perfect club but decide in your theme and who you are trying attract. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I agree with you guys who say that there are clubs out there which are perfect. What I am trying to say is that I'm sure that every city in the Country should have a great swingers club.
The swinging industry will only get bigger year upon year and continue to have thousands more people joining every year.
I believe there is scope to have lots of clubs around the country.
I wanted some opinions in what are the things people look for in a great club.
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Just one suggestion "Talk with club owners even the very good ones in England are struggling to break even with money". To open a super club per invite only will not pay the bills which come every month through the letter box; we have been to some clubs in England and some in Germany, Holland and Switzerland and each club had its' different "charm", but as most owners say it is down to the swingers themselves what they make out of a club |
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By *rinhueCouple
over a year ago
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For us, it's not being under pressure to take clothes off. Having a separate dress down area is pretty good.
Hot tub/sauna/swimming pool combo is fun too.
We love gloryholes so they're a major plus to us.
Not too bright in lights but still able to see each other well, good padding on walls if there's benches or beds next to them.
Personally, invite only would be a bit off putting. I feel its not very encouraging for those that are new to swinging and would discourage a lot of people from applying for fear of a snooty atmosphere. Lots of different people getting together in the same place and having fun is what I find great about the swinging scene. Even if there are lots of people I'm not attracted to, I don't want to exclude anyone from having fun. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Hhhmmm not sure about the pad lock thing ,, what if you get somebody you don't want to play with,, it sounds like the old way, throw your keys in a bowl haha,, x birmingham not only has clubs it's got cinemas as well,,, birmingham is the sex capital isn't it?? Somewhere there isn't a club is probably a better idea |
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Reading the above. It seems everyone has some good points. I used to be a business for many years and looking at this new swingers club for a new busines hasn't come about overnight.
Firstly there is always a demand in a market thats growing and that also means that there will be a demand for something that's also different.
Since the whole phenomenon of 50 shades of grey, recent documentaries on the swinging lifestyle and the hundreds of articles around the UK press, magazines etc. It seems that many people now want to either try this whole experience of bondage/swinging or perhaps a better term is open relationship lifestyle.
Our aim is to be a part of the growing demand of clubs and venues that offer people the chance to experience what its like. Every club in the UK is different to another. Some are the best and some are the worst.
We are not being naive and thinking we are going to be competing with the best clubs around the Midlands and its 100 mile radius. All I am saying is that Birmingham and its surrounding areas such as the East Midlands, shropshire, Worcester, etc has a big enough scope to have tons of venues.
We are in an encatchment as big as London when you look at the travelling time from areas that are 1 hours drive from the centre.
Also from a business point of view in regards to operating costs I would be looking at possible 10 year plan on the level return on the initial investment.
Because I really believe that this isn't purley a business choice but also a lifestyle choice where the main priorirty is to have a good time and let others have fun and money would come second. So if the club does make a loss of £30k a year it would still be operating until year 5 where you would see some revenue being generated.
We would look at going to every club in the UK over the next 10/14 months and speaking endlessly to many owners, partners and participates and working out what everyone loves and hates & ultimately putting all the best bits into one large area that would be designed fit for purpose.
So glory holes, sex swings, bondage area, private rooms, shower area, changing rooms, live video links to see everyone playing being streamed in the venue, games, food, etc would all be looked into and see what's viable and not.
We just want to offer an experience that we think everyone would like to be a part of. We are not here to make anyone go out of business. Only to spread the word of the swinging lifestyle so that we all have plenty of more fresh faces to snog and bodies to fuck over many years to come |
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Wow. I have ties with harborne and have flat in jewellery qtr. May have to move back to Birmingham!
Not sure about open area but never been to places like those mentioned earlier. Prefer a bit of walls, corners so not everyone, everything in your face. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Look up skinnydippers in brighton closed now but by far the best club there was ever club we go to has a little something but skinnys had the lot and by the way eurkas is not a swinging club lol"
In the day it's a nudest place but of a weekend at night it's a swingers club look at the club reviews need i say any more |
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over a year ago
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i love your enthusiasm for the lifestyle - i think some of your ideas will drastically exclude a lot of people from going - all open and all seeing will not suit many and the games you have in mind - well would have to be a specific crowd as its another version of keys in the bowl really |
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"Thanks guys for feedback.
We want to create a massive open area where there are no walls. So that everyone can see everything. The rooms which would be for private use would be made of glass walls. So that people can still see but cannot enter the room as it would be locked by the ones who are using them inside.
We would like to have one area where there will be no clothes area. So only underwear can be worn.
Also having games where everyone is involved. So for example a padlock event where women have padlocks on their wrist and the men have the keys. So everyone has to chat to one another and see if their keys work. And then they can play with that person.
Also would like to have certain perks such as free food and maybe free drinks on certain events.
Numbers would be limited and so would invites and parties would be held once a week or every fortnight. "
Straight away that's me not visiting, not everyone likes an audience |
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Perfect for one is horror for another! Most clubs have been set up by the owners in their image of what a club should be! A few operate as businesses and these are better as they look upon the customer as king and queen. So the perfect club would have to have many facets open rooms closed rooms wet side dry side etc however the main thing all tastes want is hygiene! |
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over a year ago
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We have been to Fata Morgana, Flip Sauna in Switzerland and Tempeloase in Berlin and none had massive wide open "orgy" areas...
We find that Flip is next to two clubs in Holland one of the best for your money value (lucky me hubby speaks fluent German and other languages)...
If you "model" a new club on such clubs, with bar area, sauna's, jacuzzi's, BDSM area private and open rooms then you might be standing out from the mass (listen to what people want).
But padlocks, video feeds to other areas and massive open rooms is a put off, for example, us...  |
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The issue with a live video feed is trust, how will visitors know you're not just filming them to stream over the Internet or recording to sell like czechav mega swingers? It will put people off! |
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"Guys and girls.
If you was to create your own swingers club with an unlimited budget financially.
How would it look like, and what would it consist of?
We are looking at creating a club in the jewellery quarter or Edgbaston area of Birmingham exclusive for 100-150 people that looks like a boudoir and is invite only.
Let us know what you think. Would appreciate the feedback.
Poole could do with a decent club, needs big jacuzzi or two, poole, big wet room several private rooms with decent lighting, big playroom with 360 access, viewing rooms Dark room and swing rooms, plus cafe and smoke room.
You would have to a brave person to go up against arguably the two best Clubs in the country and both of which are in the Midlands.
My advice would be to save your money or open one in the SE (somewhere like Brighton)."
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It's an impossible task trying to please everyone. Better, I think, to focus on a certain style of club that makes it different from the others. A classy, nightclub type club would do it for us. Along the lines of OP4F in London (but a bit bigger and with a dance-floor and DJ). Les Chandelles in Paris is a great example of this type, particularly if the OP wants a boudoir feel. But is there enough market in Brum for this? Anyone's guess.
Oh, and we would definitely not attend a club with video cameras anywhere other than on the door. |
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I think another smaller club in the Birmingham area would be fine...Chams has gone downhill nowadays...too many Asians flouting the rules....one guy kept touching me when we were playing as a couple even though he was asked not to.... |
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By *itSamCouple
over a year ago
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The more clubs the better but why Birmingham. If you look at the thread people are saying how much you are competing against different clubs in the area. You say you are going to go to clubs and see what people like but by doing this you are already talking to people who are probably already settled in their club environment and who go there because they have made friends etc. This thread has people saying "Come To Us". If your club is going to be as good as you say it is then people will travel. Once people find the club they love then it is a big job to convert them. I know this is not on the same scale but by us a chip shop has opened about 5 doors away from another chip shop. Of course people will give it a go as a one off (we did) but then we went back to the old one. We had got used to the staff, there was banter and generally people like to stick to what they know. So to take on the two main clubs in Birmingham (of which I am members of both and do not even have to mention their names) you are going to have to make a SUPER SUPER SUPER CLUB. This takes money, time and a whole lot of work just to get started. Then what happens on opening night. You get people turn up who are curious. If you have not "hit the spot" with what they want the forums will open up saying "I am going back to *********". Enough of those reviews and you are going to to turn off people.
Now open in a place that has no club there is nothing to compere it to.
Example. We love a hot jacuzzi, you just can not beat a realaxation in it. One club we went to the water was very random in temperature and sometimes unbearable as it was cold. There was a club that was 90 miles away which hot water. We travelled that far regular just for the water. Then a club close to us opened up a jacuzzi that had not been used in a while and it was hot. Not the biggest and can get crouded quickly but very nice and very hot. So then the travel to the other club was no longer needed as we had something on our doorstep. What I am trying to say is that you open a club in an area where there are no clubs (if it is that good then people are going to travel to it). There are going to be a lot of people (Like us) who needed to be motivated to drive a distance to a club. 90 miles is a good trip to go to a club and come back. Now we go to a club every week as our local gives us what we want. So in an area where people have no club you will first attract the people who want to see what the club is all about. You are then going to attract the people who would come in from work and flop on a chair to relax that would normally say "I just can not be arsed to travel tonight" to "fancy popping up the club for an hour or two". You have a whole new catchment area. I find it crazy that you even considered Birmingham for a club. I am sure you realise just how long the two main clubs in Birmingham have been running. Yep you gonna start of busy with people coming and seeing what it is like. The one thing about business. You can get people to use your business once..... Getting them to come back is the hardest. Get a takeaway, wake up with the shits, you aint gonna go back. So once all the people have been once you need them to keep returning to keep your business alive. Sooner or later the interest will die and your business could too. Listen to the forum. Open up in an area where there is a demand for it. You are never gonna get an Amsterdam where it is famous and people travel round the world. You want to capture the people who are going to visit every week or every other week or so. Open in Birmingham and the people who will travel may get here and think "Better the devil" and just go to the regular.
I am not knocking your venture. But in a list further up that you have mentioned. Look at the list. You pretty much have just described the two clubs you are thinking of setting up near. They both give all of those options but there is one thing that these two clubs have that yours will not have straight away and that is PEOPLE. The club we went to with the hot jacuzzi 90 miles away had about 5 to 10 couples in it on a couples night. That was it. There were however other clubs close by that (from what I have heard) are better. I can not clarify this as I have not been to many there (apart from one night when we had a BIG bust up with the gaffer who I shall not mention as the forums are not for slanging matches). This one situation made us never ever want to return again.
Listen to the people as no matter how fancy your club is, if there are no people then it just will not work.
Now us personally, we love a club where you can get lost. We love corridors and corners etc. There was a club that was opening near us and we got to go over before it ever opened. It was a big room with a massive bed in the middle. OMG what a terrible idea. It was just.... well really not us... never even went back to see if it opened. I think I remember driving past a while back and there was more grass growing in the car park then there is in our back garden. All because the club was not what people wanted.
You bring the people in and have them return each week then you will see your club come up on the meets and others will ask what it is like and word of mouth will be your friend. Do it wrong and word of mouth will be your downfloor.
I gotta admit after typing this it does sound like I am against it. Really not, just think it is a wrong busniess move. Naked area, good, people like a naked area (although you said no clothes so people wear underwear - just go for it. No clothes.)
Whatever your views I wish you the best in your venture. Just think a bit more thought needs to go in it.
This is totally unbiased towards anyone or any club. Just a personal view from someone who really should be getting things done today but checked the forum and got carried away on here.
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I think opening a new club you will never cater for all needs and wants as everyone is different, some like dress down, closed rooms, open rooms, wet areas, dry areas, the list of likes and dislikes could go on forever. Personally I think clubs are less busy over the last 5 years, I remember when we first started going to clubs years ago and the likes of La Chambre and Cupids were buzzing and full where you usually struggled to get a room, il admit we've not been to either in the year as we found it very hit and miss with sometimes only a handful of people there. Other clubs might be different and just goes to show that opinions are different, some people may have visited these clubs and it have been busy.
As for opening a club in a region where apparently the 2 best clubs are..... I love a bit of competition and if they are as busy as what they claim to be then there's your answer, just do what they have done but better! |
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"I think opening a new club you will never cater for all needs and wants as everyone is different, some like dress down, closed rooms, open rooms, wet areas, dry areas, the list of likes and dislikes could go on forever. Personally I think clubs are less busy over the last 5 years, I remember when we first started going to clubs years ago and the likes of La Chambre and Cupids were buzzing and full where you usually struggled to get a room, il admit we've not been to either in the year as we found it very hit and miss with sometimes only a handful of people there. Other clubs might be different and just goes to show that opinions are different, some people may have visited these clubs and it have been busy.
As for opening a club in a region where apparently the 2 best clubs are..... I love a bit of competition and if they are as busy as what they claim to be then there's your answer, just do what they have done but better!"
I agree with you I started going Abfab in 2006 it was always heaving now it's hit and miss. I think some of the problem is how much some clubs charge also amenities help. I'd say to the OP that keeping the entrance fee reasonable would help |
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There have been a couple of these threads of late. Opening a club has to address two basic issues - the business model and then the psychology of swinging to determine what you should provide. Taking the business model first, is swinging an expanding or decreasing market? - probably the former. If clubs are quieter than they used to be, is that because they are less popular, or they are not providing exactly what an ever more discerning customer base wants? - probably the latter. So you either open up in competition with existing clubs and offer something better, OR choose a less competitive location and look for new customers. Like it or not, there is more disposable income in the south east than the midlands/north.
Someone above mentioned Fun4Two in Holland - regularly voted best swinging club in the world - we have been and tend to agree - there is nothing even close in the UK. What the OP is suggesting is building a "destination" swingers club, rather than just a 'locals' one.
When it comes to facilities and psychology, with respect OP you are a bit off. First - car parking - you must have your own so people feel discreet about arriving.
Entrance policy and charging - decide on one then rigorously enforce it 100% at all times.
Décor - you want dark/bold colours, with very soft lighting to make everyone look their best.
Now the most important bit - NO WIDE OPEN LOUNGE AREAS. Think about it - lots of people say that smoking areas are the most social in clubs (it certainly is at ABfabs) - why? Because people are sitting AROUND a table - face to face - you HAVE to communicate, and that leads to play. Sitting side by side on sofas, staring at an empty bed or dance floor doesn't get anyone feeling comfortable - or sexy. This is the biggest single point that clubs seem to miss. OP4FUN in London is the best example of this - its tiny, so you are all squashed up together and have to talk - it leads to lots of play and a good vibe.
Lockers - full size, included with entry, so easy to get changed and freshen up.
Free condoms, in bowls everywhere. BYOB, served from behind a bar by a bar person, free soft drinks. Price in a free bottle of fizz with entry for every couple.
The glass walls are a great idea, but a massive mistake also - they will show every tiny fingerprint and look filthy and disgusting about 10 minutes after you open as a result.
Female hostess to show new members around - she needs to be older, slightly glamorous and slightly flirty with the LADIES - to make them feel comfortable.
LOTS of toilets!
Facilities - people expect the following, and while not for everyone they will give the broadest possible appeal
hot tub - dungeon/sex swing - orgy/anything goes room - darkroom - lockable/private rooms - sex cinema/porn room - warm and covered smoking area (a slightly higher %age of swingers smoke than the general population - its a fact)
Theme and style nights - different themes/dress codes/styles for different nights.
Think REALLY carefully about the details of ergonomics eg. height of beds/benches - hangers for clothes in play areas - where can I put my handbag/drink etc.
In summary, to do it properly - and be a step above anything else in the UK - will require heavy investment, beginning with the right location and premises, and then building the details from there. If we had the money we would do it - but spend at least 12 months planning etc before even starting the fitting out. |
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"There have been a couple of these threads of late. Opening a club has to address two basic issues - the business model and then the psychology of swinging to determine what you should provide. Taking the business model first, is swinging an expanding or decreasing market? - probably the former. If clubs are quieter than they used to be, is that because they are less popular, or they are not providing exactly what an ever more discerning customer base wants? - probably the latter. So you either open up in competition with existing clubs and offer something better, OR choose a less competitive location and look for new customers. Like it or not, there is more disposable income in the south east than the midlands/north.
Someone above mentioned Fun4Two in Holland - regularly voted best swinging club in the world - we have been and tend to agree - there is nothing even close in the UK. What the OP is suggesting is building a "destination" swingers club, rather than just a 'locals' one.
When it comes to facilities and psychology, with respect OP you are a bit off. First - car parking - you must have your own so people feel discreet about arriving.
Entrance policy and charging - decide on one then rigorously enforce it 100% at all times.
Décor - you want dark/bold colours, with very soft lighting to make everyone look their best.
Now the most important bit - NO WIDE OPEN LOUNGE AREAS. Think about it - lots of people say that smoking areas are the most social in clubs (it certainly is at ABfabs) - why? Because people are sitting AROUND a table - face to face - you HAVE to communicate, and that leads to play. Sitting side by side on sofas, staring at an empty bed or dance floor doesn't get anyone feeling comfortable - or sexy. This is the biggest single point that clubs seem to miss. OP4FUN in London is the best example of this - its tiny, so you are all squashed up together and have to talk - it leads to lots of play and a good vibe.
Lockers - full size, included with entry, so easy to get changed and freshen up.
Free condoms, in bowls everywhere. BYOB, served from behind a bar by a bar person, free soft drinks. Price in a free bottle of fizz with entry for every couple.
The glass walls are a great idea, but a massive mistake also - they will show every tiny fingerprint and look filthy and disgusting about 10 minutes after you open as a result.
Female hostess to show new members around - she needs to be older, slightly glamorous and slightly flirty with the LADIES - to make them feel comfortable.
LOTS of toilets!
Facilities - people expect the following, and while not for everyone they will give the broadest possible appeal
hot tub - dungeon/sex swing - orgy/anything goes room - darkroom - lockable/private rooms - sex cinema/porn room - warm and covered smoking area (a slightly higher %age of swingers smoke than the general population - its a fact)
Theme and style nights - different themes/dress codes/styles for different nights.
Think REALLY carefully about the details of ergonomics eg. height of beds/benches - hangers for clothes in play areas - where can I put my handbag/drink etc.
In summary, to do it properly - and be a step above anything else in the UK - will require heavy investment, beginning with the right location and premises, and then building the details from there. If we had the money we would do it - but spend at least 12 months planning etc before even starting the fitting out."
Don't forget that Councils are now refusing new premises or banning them to industry estates where if you are a single female parking up and having to walk to door you will feel unsafe.
Flips has its' own car park secure and with CCTV's plus has three bedroom suites which are great if you are "dead" tired.
No as said you need "shit" loads of money and loads of time to create a Super club..... |
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"Guys and girls.
If you was to create your own swingers club with an unlimited budget financially.
How would it look like, and what would it consist of?
We are looking at creating a club in the jewellery quarter or Edgbaston area of Birmingham exclusive for 100-150 people that looks like a boudoir and is invite only.
Let us know what you think. Would appreciate the feedback. "
Spend a bit of time on the continent, Holland and Germany in particular, and look at the way the clubs operate there. Not everything will transfer to the UK but you would certainly pick up a few ideas. |
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Bring it South slightly! Then u will get people from Wales visiting more regularly. We love a certain club in brum but the 2 hr drive there and then back when ur tired is seriously off putting! You don't always want to book a hotel room aswell as it gets too expensive. Plus the open space thing and no private areas would be off putting for so many, a mix of both is much better I would suggest!  |
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