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Our experience of our first visit to Kestrels (May 2023)

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Our experience.

We are in a fairly new relationship and had previously chatted through our fantasies. one of which was a visit to a naturist spa.

Arrived and sat in the car for, what seemed like ages, encouraging each other. Eventually decided we just have to go for it, so went inside.

On the reception were two staff who could see we were apprehensive. They were very welcoming, friendly and helpful. As this was our first visit, (and we'd previously completed the on line form) they processed our applications and we paid the appropriate fees. At this stage we opted for the 'taster' session. Kirsty then accompanied us around the building showing us the various different rooms and explained what can and cannot be done in each.

You are given a locker key and get undressed in the changing rooms. Whilst there are distinct areas for men and a separate area for couples/single ladies, the changing rooms are open and people can wander around. Inside the locker were two large towels.

We made our way to the lounge and had ordered a couple of glasses of wine, mainly to steady our nerves. We sat on the leather sofa's and just people watched. In the lounge were another couple and a guy, and about 4 single guys. We noted that 3 other guys were just wandering around.

We then decided to orientate ourselves around the building which is a myriad of corridors and staircases with various rooms.

We had wanted to try the hot tub, but when we looked there was a single guy in each of the tubs (the 3rd one was being cleaned/serviced). At this stage we just weren't comfortable sharing. (yes we know this sounds odd given the nature of the establishment). So we opted to try the pool, which was empty. We had a shower, as requested in the communal shower area and then made our way to the pool. We couldn't have been in there more than 2 minutes before 3 guys also got in. It then occurred to us that perhaps they had been following us, which then made us feel a little creepy! Just to prove it, we spoke aloud about trying the hot tub. Got out and collected our towels and walked next door and within a minute were followed.

The two hot tubs were empty by now so we got into one and were promptly joined by two of the guys from the swimming pool. (As it only takes 4, the 3rd guy from the pool clearly wasn't quick enough!).

It was only after they were in, did they ask if it was okay for them to join us. Whilst accepted, it was made clear that this was our first visit and we were NOT interested in anything else.

The other couple we'd seen earlier in the lounge then entered the room and got into the other hot tub and in less than a minute were joined by two more guys. This just confirmed our thoughts that they were following the couples around presumably hoping to be invited to join in with something. I can see why single women can feel uncomfortable (unless of course they are looking for something specific).

Whilst I'm sure it wasn't their intention, it just felt a little creepy (As mentioned previously the nature of the establishment is not lost on us).

There is a notice to say you shouldn't stay more than 15 minutes, (but guess this is to give other the chance to use them) but we'd had enough by then and decided to make use of one of the private rooms. Most of them are lockable, and we chose one that was.

Once inside, we could hear several people walking around up and down the corridor (flip flops make a distinctive sound) and someone 'forcefully' tried the door but couldn't get in. We weren't ready (if we ever will be) to be watched or joined.

Having finished we left. My partner needing to use the loo. I waited in the corridor but went looking for her when she didn't return within 5 minutes. I found he in the changing rooms being chatted to by one of the guys who had followed us into the pool and later hot tub. Her look of relief when I walked in was clearly evident!

She later told me that he had explained that there were 3 guys listening outside our private room wanking! What pissed me off is that he found it necessary to tell her when she was on her own rather than with me present.

Lesson learnt here. Don't allow your partner to walk around on her own!.

Whatever his intention, it just felt creepy.

It seems he then changed tact, from 'chatting her up' to being helpful and showed us the steam room, which is in the men's changing area, and was empty. (there is also a Sauna, but its currently out of order). We decided to to try it and in under a minute were joined by this guy and another and then a 3rd (at a squeeze I guess it may take 6) Yes, we know we cannot stop anyone joining us and we didn't.

We left after 5 minutes and decided to go back to the lounge for another drink, quickly followed by 2 of the men who had been in the steam room but they didn't sit with us.

Having finished our drink we then decided to explore some more and found the cinema. We had read that if using the bed it could be viewed as an open invitation to be joined or watch, (not that we had planned to do anything) so decided to sit on one of the many sofas. There was one guy already in there and we were followed by 3 guys who had been sat in the lounge. We then became aware that one guy was leaning against the wall about 3ft to our right who promptly decided to wank! We got up and walked out!

One of the other guys followed us and engaged us in conversation saying that what he was doing was totally disrespectful. Exactly what we thought! He then found it necessary to act as our guide explaining what happens in each area not that we'd asked!

The guy from the cinema had also followed us and was 'hovering' around. This was now getting too creepy for us, so I found it necessary to say something.

We went back downstairs to the hot tub, which was empty so got in but in under a minute we were joined by two other guys. The other couple also came in a couple of minutes later and got into the other hot tub, promptly joined by another guy.

We left after 15 minutes and made use of another private room but were not disturbed this time.

It was then time we needed to leave so returned to the changing rooms to get dressed.

We spoke briefly to a member of staff about the incidents. She also felt that the constant following around and especially the wanking, was disrespectful but had happened to her before she became a member of staff and advised that we should report it if it happened again.

On our way out, we were asked whether we wanted to upgrade to full membership. Our experiences hadn't put us off so we have and look forward to our next visit, but learnt we need to be more assertive.

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By *urvyandsnapperCouple over a year ago

Essex/Kent

Were you there last night - Friday 5th?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Were you there last night - Friday 5th? "

during the day

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By *leasureseekers123Couple over a year ago

Heathrow

Perhaps a pure naturist place would be better for you than somewhere where play happens.

Before anyone says but people should be able to go where they like without feeling intimidated, yes they should but perhaps a pure naturist club would be a better way to ease yourself in so to speak!

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By *cottish guy 555Man over a year ago

London

Sometimes a firm 'fuck off' is required. It shouldn't need to be but some guys have to be told

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Sometimes a firm 'fuck off' is required. It shouldn't need to be but some guys have to be told

yep I think you are right

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

We are not trying to put anyone off!

Anyone interested should go and experience it themselves. We certainly weren't and will go back again.

I'd read previous posts from members asking what it was like etc, so thought I'd right our experience in a bit more detail.

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By *ovelyLady21Couple over a year ago

Bury St Edmunds

Very similar to our first visit (first visit to any club). It didn’t put us off and we’ve quickly learnt that if the ‘followers’ don’t get the hint, a quick “sod off mate” does the trick.

We’ve been lots of times now and it’s been worse during the week, usually because it’s quite quiet. When there are very few couples/ladies there some of the guys do get a bit desperate and latch onto you.

Try going on a Sunday if you can. It’s much busier and there are usually lots more couples and single girls, also less of a predatory atmosphere in our experience.

We enjoy going to chill out in the tubs and the pool, have a little play in the cinema (pro tip, sit right at the back, that way none of the wanking dead can get behind you) and if we find someone we like the look of make use of a private room.

It’s a great experience 99% of the time, you just get the odd idiot, as you do in any club or life in general.

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By *urvyandsnapperCouple over a year ago

Essex/Kent

Unfortunately, it’s often the few that let the side down - some of the wanking dead (not all) frankly would struggle to pull in a brothel…

There is sometimes an expectation as well that - having paid likely double the money of a couple to get in - there should be some action to give them value for money

Agree with others - clear communication that it’s not going to happen works for most - and if that doesn’t work, less subtlety usually does the trick

We love to meet single guys at clubs - those that “get it”, get it

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By *p4fun60Couple over a year ago

Hampshire

Firstly can i ask the OP why he's posting as a single guy & also hidden his profile rather than post as a new couple?

With reguards to the main thread I'd like to say we use kestrels/Abfabs as our regular club normally during the daytime or Saturday evenings as well as for social events & without doubt the most value for money club out of all of those we've tried & also that the experience you described is not isolated to kestrels & unfortunately we've experienced similar in other venues, this by no means is a fault of the venues but more of the inexperienced behaviour of the single guys you've encountered- & before this thread dives into another slate the single guy thread, it has to be said that the majority of single guys that attend do actually know how to behave towards potential playmates, but there will always be a small minority who think by treating women & couples as nothing more than objects for sex will lead to nothing more than turning themselves into the frustrated lounge lizards & wanking dead that so many couples complain about

Any club or venue can seem intimidating on your first visit & unless you're already confident & assertive I'd always recommend either going to a social event first or maybe chat to a couple on fab that are willing to hold your hand for the first time, we've done this for several couples as we had someone do it for us

, although at first it may seem a bit daunting & clicky, clubs & there users are really friendly & accomadating as new blood is the lifeline of a clubs future & more importantly new playmates for members,

I'm glad you weren't put off & decided to come back & you'll learn to be more assertive & tell people if they're bothering you, I know I certainly do, there is an etiquette to using clubs & room, it just seems that sometimes that these can be forgotten, welcome to the lifestyle & happy fabbing to you both

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

LOL, its because I don't know how to change it!

Its hidden because my profile was written as a single guy. I was wondering whether it'd be easier to delete this account and set up a new joint one, which is probably what I will end up doing.

At the moment we are not looking to play with anyone else, hence not in a hurry to change things on here.

As mentioned we've only been the once and perhaps we picked a bad day. Next time, we will know what to expect and deal with it accordingly.

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By *urreyVixenStagCouple over a year ago

Surrey

I think many forget that during the day the club is naturist. Not all naturists are swingers, just as not all swingers are naturists.

As no booking is required for the spa, you will, unfortunately, get single guys turning up on the off chance they will get something.

The staff are great and if you ever have concerns over another member, let them know so it can be dealt with on the spot. Often, a no thank you/we’re not interested does suffice.

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By *eenawMan over a year ago

anywhere and everywhere

Don’t let the me put you off mate, there are lots of great and respectful people who attend, just tell anyone you don’t want following to politely do one.

It takes a while to get the confidence, but me and my lovely friend have enjoyed many great days there, and always look forward to going again and meeting new friends

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By *etro1940sCouple over a year ago

Kingston upon Thames

We find Kestrels an excellent and extremely suitable venue / club. Yes it is play orientated - it is not just a naturalist scene. A firm "no thanks" will deal with anyone (man, woman or couple). x Anne

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

"Don't allow your partner to walk around on her own".

I prefer to make my own decisions.

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By *os19Man over a year ago

Edmonton

It seems that what happened to the OP and his partner is no different than what happens sometimes at Rios it doesn’t make it right and other than to say that not all single guys behave the way the guys behaved to the OP and his partner at Kestrels I don’t know what the answer is.

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By *MandMMCouple over a year ago

Welwyn garden city

""Don't allow your partner to walk around on her own".

I prefer to make my own decisions.

So, you read it and that's the thing you focus on? It could have been written better, but come on. It's obvious what he meant

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

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By *reykiwi500Man over a year ago

West Kent (near Tonbridge)

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise. "

I'd definitely advise to try a Sunday next time as LovelyLady21 mentioned. Lots of friendly people around. The wanking dead tend to fixate when the place is nearly empty (of couples and women).

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By *otsuredorsetCouple over a year ago

Sturminster Newton, but travel all over UK

We go on Sundays. And there are quite a few single guys,

But mainly couples, which is nice!

We are always up for meeting new people there

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By *iot58Couple over a year ago

Southampton

"We go on Sundays. And there are quite a few single guys,

But mainly couples, which is nice!

We are always up for meeting new people there"

Yep Sundays always have a good vibe and a good mix of couples/singles/newbies. It's our favourite day.

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By *etro1940sCouple over a year ago

Kingston upon Thames

"We go on Sundays. And there are quite a few single guys,

But mainly couples, which is nice!

We are always up for meeting new people there

Yep Sundays always have a good vibe and a good mix of couples/singles/newbies. It's our favourite day. "
that is why our next play date will be a Sunday (28 May) ... the ambience, mix of attendees and facilities do it for us x Anne & George

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By *randMrsNorthernCouple over a year ago

Cheshire

That’s why we don’t really go to clubs much (or will try couples only nights) because of the single guys.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We enjoy it there, especially the Sunday afternoons.

Sure there’s single guys (thank goodness) but we’ve always found them to be very respectful and appreciative.

On the time we haven’t wanted the attention we just used our words.

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By *elloWoman over a year ago

alpha centauri

""Don't allow your partner to walk around on her own".

I prefer to make my own decisions.

So, you read it and that's the thing you focus on? It could have been written better, but come on. It's obvious what he meant

What did he mean?

I raised my eyes at that comment as well, I've been to many clubs on my own over the years and not once has a guy made me feel so intimidated or self conscious that I've felt I couldn't walk around semi naked on my own, all it takes is a 'No thank you, you're not what I'm looking for today ' and they move on because they know that a comment to staff will result in them being kicked out.

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By *eyeYCouple over a year ago

Nr Leicester

Have had similar experience on visiting clubs..

D has been a single guy in the lifestyle prior to our meeting and it pisses him off when guys have assumed.

The majority are respectful, but the minority as with everything can spoil it

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By *ragon007Man over a year ago

london

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise. "

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better "

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

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By *ragon007Man over a year ago

london

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night? "

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

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By *rgrey14Man over a year ago

london

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs "

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

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By *urreyVixenStagCouple over a year ago

Surrey

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club. "

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By *ragon007Man over a year ago

london

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club. "

Just like every one else and I have a right to have a opinion and you don’t need to give me advice what I should and should not and next time don’t do a personal attack

Just like any business club will be reviewed by people and how they feel about some thing

And I am only going to say this once

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By *ragon007Man over a year ago

london

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club. "

One hidden picture with no verifications and you are regular lol

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By *urreyVixenStagCouple over a year ago

Surrey

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

Just like every one else and I have a right to have a opinion and you don’t need to give me advice what I should and should not and next time don’t do a personal attack

Just like any business club will be reviewed by people and how they feel about some thing

And I am only going to say this once "

You clearly have a bee in your bonnet about this particular club though! You rarely say anything nice yet you’re apparently a regular? I’ve never seen you there.

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By *ragon007Man over a year ago

london

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

Just like every one else and I have a right to have a opinion and you don’t need to give me advice what I should and should not and next time don’t do a personal attack

Just like any business club will be reviewed by people and how they feel about some thing

And I am only going to say this once

You clearly have a bee in your bonnet about this particular club though! You rarely say anything nice yet you’re apparently a regular? I’ve never seen you there."

I said pool and jaquzi was nice .I don’t have a problem with the club and i never said I am regular this year .I am just validating the experience OP had and again I have a right to have a opinion you don’t have to agree with and I am not stopping any one going there .

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By *urreyVixenStagCouple over a year ago

Surrey

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

Just like every one else and I have a right to have a opinion and you don’t need to give me advice what I should and should not and next time don’t do a personal attack

Just like any business club will be reviewed by people and how they feel about some thing

And I am only going to say this once

You clearly have a bee in your bonnet about this particular club though! You rarely say anything nice yet you’re apparently a regular? I’ve never seen you there.

Your opinions suggest otherwise

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By *ragon007Man over a year ago

london

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

Just like every one else and I have a right to have a opinion and you don’t need to give me advice what I should and should not and next time don’t do a personal attack

Just like any business club will be reviewed by people and how they feel about some thing

And I am only going to say this once

You clearly have a bee in your bonnet about this particular club though! You rarely say anything nice yet you’re apparently a regular? I’ve never seen you there.

Your opinions suggest otherwise "

again don’t stop because of my opinion

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By *urreyVixenStagCouple over a year ago

Surrey

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

Just like every one else and I have a right to have a opinion and you don’t need to give me advice what I should and should not and next time don’t do a personal attack

Just like any business club will be reviewed by people and how they feel about some thing

And I am only going to say this once

You clearly have a bee in your bonnet about this particular club though! You rarely say anything nice yet you’re apparently a regular? I’ve never seen you there.

Your opinions suggest otherwise

again don’t stop because of my opinion "

Don’t intend to.

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By *ragon007Man over a year ago

london

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

Just like every one else and I have a right to have a opinion and you don’t need to give me advice what I should and should not and next time don’t do a personal attack

Just like any business club will be reviewed by people and how they feel about some thing

And I am only going to say this once

You clearly have a bee in your bonnet about this particular club though! You rarely say anything nice yet you’re apparently a regular? I’ve never seen you there.

Your opinions suggest otherwise

again don’t stop because of my opinion

Don’t intend to. "

Then I will carry on with my opinions about things and no one is going to stop me speaking my mind

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By *ragon007Man over a year ago

london

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

Just like every one else and I have a right to have a opinion and you don’t need to give me advice what I should and should not and next time don’t do a personal attack

Just like any business club will be reviewed by people and how they feel about some thing

And I am only going to say this once

You clearly have a bee in your bonnet about this particular club though! You rarely say anything nice yet you’re apparently a regular? I’ve never seen you there.

Your opinions suggest otherwise

again don’t stop because of my opinion

Don’t intend to. "

Then I will carry on with my opinions about things and no one is going to stop me speaking my mind

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By *ctionman10Man over a year ago

London

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By *ctionman10Man over a year ago

London

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

One hidden picture with no verifications and you are regular lol

I can vouch for mrgrey spoken to him and his friends at Abfabs and kestrels many times. Never seen you at the club this year or last year.

I make him right on how often you give the club a negative comment. At least once a week…

Be honest are you a banned member.

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By *ragon007Man over a year ago

london

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

One hidden picture with no verifications and you are regular lol

I can vouch for mrgrey spoken to him and his friends at Abfabs and kestrels many times. Never seen you at the club this year or last year.

I make him right on how often you give the club a negative comment. At least once a week…

Be honest are you a banned member. "

Again why you have to do a personal attack

I only comment about Friday night and my experience with it exactly how it was and when ever it will come again I will comment again .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

""Don't allow your partner to walk around on her own".

I prefer to make my own decisions.

IMHO you missed the context why OP mentioned.

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By *urreyVixenStagCouple over a year ago

Surrey

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

One hidden picture with no verifications and you are regular lol

I can vouch for mrgrey spoken to him and his friends at Abfabs and kestrels many times. Never seen you at the club this year or last year.

I make him right on how often you give the club a negative comment. At least once a week…

Be honest are you a banned member.

Again why you have to do a personal attack

I only comment about Friday night and my experience with it exactly how it was and when ever it will come again I will comment again .

So you’ve only ever attended once and on a Friday night?

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By *ragon007Man over a year ago

london

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

One hidden picture with no verifications and you are regular lol

I can vouch for mrgrey spoken to him and his friends at Abfabs and kestrels many times. Never seen you at the club this year or last year.

I make him right on how often you give the club a negative comment. At least once a week…

Be honest are you a banned member.

Again why you have to do a personal attack

I only comment about Friday night and my experience with it exactly how it was and when ever it will come again I will comment again .

So you’ve only ever attended once and on a Friday night? "

No attended all days and nights throughout the year including couples nights.

I did say Saturday nights are good Sundays have good vibe even Thursday were fun but when I gave a comment about Friday nights every one jumped on the bandwagon of me being slagging the club off like I cannot have opinion about the place a particular night.last time I check I was a free person with opinions

It’s a review off a night people can make they own mind up

When a paying customer gives review about a business it is sensible that business take notice other wise they lose paying customers

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By *urreyVixenStagCouple over a year ago

Surrey

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

One hidden picture with no verifications and you are regular lol

I can vouch for mrgrey spoken to him and his friends at Abfabs and kestrels many times. Never seen you at the club this year or last year.

I make him right on how often you give the club a negative comment. At least once a week…

Be honest are you a banned member.

Again why you have to do a personal attack

I only comment about Friday night and my experience with it exactly how it was and when ever it will come again I will comment again .

So you’ve only ever attended once and on a Friday night?

No attended all days and nights throughout the year including couples nights.

It’s a review off a night people can make they own mind up

When a paying customer gives review about a business it is sensible that business take notice other wise they lose paying customers

How do you know that they’re not taking on board what paying customers are saying?

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By *ragon007Man over a year ago

london

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

One hidden picture with no verifications and you are regular lol

I can vouch for mrgrey spoken to him and his friends at Abfabs and kestrels many times. Never seen you at the club this year or last year.

I make him right on how often you give the club a negative comment. At least once a week…

Be honest are you a banned member.

Again why you have to do a personal attack

I only comment about Friday night and my experience with it exactly how it was and when ever it will come again I will comment again .

So you’ve only ever attended once and on a Friday night?

No attended all days and nights throughout the year including couples nights.

It’s a review off a night people can make they own mind up

When a paying customer gives review about a business it is sensible that business take notice other wise they lose paying customers

How do you know that they’re not taking on board what paying customers are saying?"

Because the review was limit the numbers of single guys just like most clubs who have naturism and swinging .creating a ratio 10 to 1 will create a vibe where I saw littrealy men jumping on couples or women when they played in open area and two couple and 40 men in dark room .where they have to shout at people no more people in dark room

What kind of vibe the creates a bad one

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By *urreyVixenStagCouple over a year ago

Surrey

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

One hidden picture with no verifications and you are regular lol

I can vouch for mrgrey spoken to him and his friends at Abfabs and kestrels many times. Never seen you at the club this year or last year.

I make him right on how often you give the club a negative comment. At least once a week…

Be honest are you a banned member.

Again why you have to do a personal attack

I only comment about Friday night and my experience with it exactly how it was and when ever it will come again I will comment again .

So you’ve only ever attended once and on a Friday night?

No attended all days and nights throughout the year including couples nights.

It’s a review off a night people can make they own mind up

When a paying customer gives review about a business it is sensible that business take notice other wise they lose paying customers

How do you know that they’re not taking on board what paying customers are saying?

What kind of vibe the creates a bad one

So when was the last Friday night that you was actually there?

Single guys are limited. I can 100% vouch for that.

Never known anyone to shout no more men in the dark room.

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By *ragon007Man over a year ago

london

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

One hidden picture with no verifications and you are regular lol

I can vouch for mrgrey spoken to him and his friends at Abfabs and kestrels many times. Never seen you at the club this year or last year.

I make him right on how often you give the club a negative comment. At least once a week…

Be honest are you a banned member.

Again why you have to do a personal attack

I only comment about Friday night and my experience with it exactly how it was and when ever it will come again I will comment again .

So you’ve only ever attended once and on a Friday night?

No attended all days and nights throughout the year including couples nights.

It’s a review off a night people can make they own mind up

When a paying customer gives review about a business it is sensible that business take notice other wise they lose paying customers

How do you know that they’re not taking on board what paying customers are saying?

What kind of vibe the creates a bad one

So when was the last Friday night that you was actually there?

Single guys are limited. I can 100% vouch for that.

Never known anyone to shout no more men in the dark room.

I have heard in with my own ears 100 guys even the club that size is not Limited but as I said they can carry own doing what they like as it’s their choice and I will carry on with my opinions

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By *urreyVixenStagCouple over a year ago

Surrey

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

One hidden picture with no verifications and you are regular lol

I can vouch for mrgrey spoken to him and his friends at Abfabs and kestrels many times. Never seen you at the club this year or last year.

I make him right on how often you give the club a negative comment. At least once a week…

Be honest are you a banned member.

Again why you have to do a personal attack

I only comment about Friday night and my experience with it exactly how it was and when ever it will come again I will comment again .

So you’ve only ever attended once and on a Friday night?

No attended all days and nights throughout the year including couples nights.

It’s a review off a night people can make they own mind up

When a paying customer gives review about a business it is sensible that business take notice other wise they lose paying customers

How do you know that they’re not taking on board what paying customers are saying?

What kind of vibe the creates a bad one

So when was the last Friday night that you was actually there?

Single guys are limited. I can 100% vouch for that.

Never known anyone to shout no more men in the dark room.

I have heard in with my own ears 100 guys even the club that size is not Limited but as I said they can carry own doing what they like as it’s their choice and I will carry on with my opinions

Then don’t attend if you don’t like it!

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By *ragon007Man over a year ago

london

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

One hidden picture with no verifications and you are regular lol

I can vouch for mrgrey spoken to him and his friends at Abfabs and kestrels many times. Never seen you at the club this year or last year.

I make him right on how often you give the club a negative comment. At least once a week…

Be honest are you a banned member.

Again why you have to do a personal attack

I only comment about Friday night and my experience with it exactly how it was and when ever it will come again I will comment again .

So you’ve only ever attended once and on a Friday night?

No attended all days and nights throughout the year including couples nights.

It’s a review off a night people can make they own mind up

When a paying customer gives review about a business it is sensible that business take notice other wise they lose paying customers

How do you know that they’re not taking on board what paying customers are saying?

What kind of vibe the creates a bad one

So when was the last Friday night that you was actually there?

Single guys are limited. I can 100% vouch for that.

Never known anyone to shout no more men in the dark room.

I have heard in with my own ears 100 guys even the club that size is not Limited but as I said they can carry own doing what they like as it’s their choice and I will carry on with my opinions

Then don’t attend if you don’t like it! "

Again I am not asking for advice and will not stop giving opinions

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By *rgrey14Man over a year ago

london

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

One hidden picture with no verifications and you are regular lol

I can vouch for mrgrey spoken to him and his friends at Abfabs and kestrels many times. Never seen you at the club this year or last year.

I make him right on how often you give the club a negative comment. At least once a week…

Be honest are you a banned member.

Again why you have to do a personal attack

I only comment about Friday night and my experience with it exactly how it was and when ever it will come again I will comment again .

So you’ve only ever attended once and on a Friday night?

No attended all days and nights throughout the year including couples nights.

It’s a review off a night people can make they own mind up

When a paying customer gives review about a business it is sensible that business take notice other wise they lose paying customers

How do you know that they’re not taking on board what paying customers are saying?

What kind of vibe the creates a bad one

So when was the last Friday night that you was actually there?

Single guys are limited. I can 100% vouch for that.

Never known anyone to shout no more men in the dark room.

I have heard in with my own ears 100 guys even the club that size is not Limited but as I said they can carry own doing what they like as it’s their choice and I will carry on with my opinions

Then don’t attend if you don’t like it!

Again I am not asking for advice and will not stop giving opinions "

How can you comment on somewhere you have not even been to for over a year….. that’s changed so much also within that year.

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By *MandMMCouple over a year ago

Welwyn garden city

""Don't allow your partner to walk around on her own".

I prefer to make my own decisions.

IMHO you missed the context why OP mentioned. "

This is what I was trying to say. I certainly didn't read it as a permission thing. More of a staying together as a couple on a first visit.

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By *ragon007Man over a year ago

london

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

One hidden picture with no verifications and you are regular lol

I can vouch for mrgrey spoken to him and his friends at Abfabs and kestrels many times. Never seen you at the club this year or last year.

I make him right on how often you give the club a negative comment. At least once a week…

Be honest are you a banned member.

Again why you have to do a personal attack

I only comment about Friday night and my experience with it exactly how it was and when ever it will come again I will comment again .

So you’ve only ever attended once and on a Friday night?

No attended all days and nights throughout the year including couples nights.

It’s a review off a night people can make they own mind up

When a paying customer gives review about a business it is sensible that business take notice other wise they lose paying customers

How do you know that they’re not taking on board what paying customers are saying?

What kind of vibe the creates a bad one

So when was the last Friday night that you was actually there?

Single guys are limited. I can 100% vouch for that.

Never known anyone to shout no more men in the dark room.

I have heard in with my own ears 100 guys even the club that size is not Limited but as I said they can carry own doing what they like as it’s their choice and I will carry on with my opinions

Then don’t attend if you don’t like it!

Again I am not asking for advice and will not stop giving opinions

How can you comment on somewhere you have not even been to for over a year….. that’s changed so much also within that year. "

I was there this March and if it was changed OP will not have the similar experience

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By *ctionman10Man over a year ago

London

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

One hidden picture with no verifications and you are regular lol

I can vouch for mrgrey spoken to him and his friends at Abfabs and kestrels many times. Never seen you at the club this year or last year.

I make him right on how often you give the club a negative comment. At least once a week…

Be honest are you a banned member.

Again why you have to do a personal attack

I only comment about Friday night and my experience with it exactly how it was and when ever it will come again I will comment again .

So you’ve only ever attended once and on a Friday night?

No attended all days and nights throughout the year including couples nights.

It’s a review off a night people can make they own mind up

When a paying customer gives review about a business it is sensible that business take notice other wise they lose paying customers

How do you know that they’re not taking on board what paying customers are saying?

What kind of vibe the creates a bad one

So when was the last Friday night that you was actually there?

Single guys are limited. I can 100% vouch for that.

Never known anyone to shout no more men in the dark room.

I have heard in with my own ears 100 guys even the club that size is not Limited but as I said they can carry own doing what they like as it’s their choice and I will carry on with my opinions

Then don’t attend if you don’t like it!

Again I am not asking for advice and will not stop giving opinions

How can you comment on somewhere you have not even been to for over a year….. that’s changed so much also within that year.

I was there this March and if it was changed OP will not have the similar experience"

Your comment about someone shouting in the dark room. I assume you was in that dark room at the time as you would not hear them from outside?

Was they shouting at you?

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By *ragon007Man over a year ago

london

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

One hidden picture with no verifications and you are regular lol

I can vouch for mrgrey spoken to him and his friends at Abfabs and kestrels many times. Never seen you at the club this year or last year.

I make him right on how often you give the club a negative comment. At least once a week…

Be honest are you a banned member.

Again why you have to do a personal attack

I only comment about Friday night and my experience with it exactly how it was and when ever it will come again I will comment again .

So you’ve only ever attended once and on a Friday night?

No attended all days and nights throughout the year including couples nights.

It’s a review off a night people can make they own mind up

When a paying customer gives review about a business it is sensible that business take notice other wise they lose paying customers

How do you know that they’re not taking on board what paying customers are saying?

What kind of vibe the creates a bad one

So when was the last Friday night that you was actually there?

Single guys are limited. I can 100% vouch for that.

Never known anyone to shout no more men in the dark room.

I have heard in with my own ears 100 guys even the club that size is not Limited but as I said they can carry own doing what they like as it’s their choice and I will carry on with my opinions

Then don’t attend if you don’t like it!

Again I am not asking for advice and will not stop giving opinions

How can you comment on somewhere you have not even been to for over a year….. that’s changed so much also within that year.

I was there this March and if it was changed OP will not have the similar experience

Your comment about someone shouting in the dark room. I assume you was in that dark room at the time as you would not hear them from outside?

Was they shouting at you? "

It’s a dark room name is the clue no one can see no one

Jeez reg cleverness of fab

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By *rgrey14Man over a year ago

london

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

One hidden picture with no verifications and you are regular lol

I can vouch for mrgrey spoken to him and his friends at Abfabs and kestrels many times. Never seen you at the club this year or last year.

I make him right on how often you give the club a negative comment. At least once a week…

Be honest are you a banned member.

Again why you have to do a personal attack

I only comment about Friday night and my experience with it exactly how it was and when ever it will come again I will comment again .

So you’ve only ever attended once and on a Friday night?

No attended all days and nights throughout the year including couples nights.

It’s a review off a night people can make they own mind up

When a paying customer gives review about a business it is sensible that business take notice other wise they lose paying customers

How do you know that they’re not taking on board what paying customers are saying?

What kind of vibe the creates a bad one

So when was the last Friday night that you was actually there?

Single guys are limited. I can 100% vouch for that.

Never known anyone to shout no more men in the dark room.

I have heard in with my own ears 100 guys even the club that size is not Limited but as I said they can carry own doing what they like as it’s their choice and I will carry on with my opinions

Then don’t attend if you don’t like it!

Again I am not asking for advice and will not stop giving opinions

How can you comment on somewhere you have not even been to for over a year….. that’s changed so much also within that year.

I was there this March and if it was changed OP will not have the similar experience

Your comment about someone shouting in the dark room. I assume you was in that dark room at the time as you would not hear them from outside?

Was they shouting at you?

It’s a dark room name is the clue no one can see no one

Jeez reg cleverness of fab "
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The question was…. Was you in the dark room when this quote you stated was being shouted out….. as you had to have been to hear it!

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By *ragon007Man over a year ago

london

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

One hidden picture with no verifications and you are regular lol

I can vouch for mrgrey spoken to him and his friends at Abfabs and kestrels many times. Never seen you at the club this year or last year.

I make him right on how often you give the club a negative comment. At least once a week…

Be honest are you a banned member.

Again why you have to do a personal attack

I only comment about Friday night and my experience with it exactly how it was and when ever it will come again I will comment again .

So you’ve only ever attended once and on a Friday night?

No attended all days and nights throughout the year including couples nights.

It’s a review off a night people can make they own mind up

When a paying customer gives review about a business it is sensible that business take notice other wise they lose paying customers

How do you know that they’re not taking on board what paying customers are saying?

What kind of vibe the creates a bad one

So when was the last Friday night that you was actually there?

Single guys are limited. I can 100% vouch for that.

Never known anyone to shout no more men in the dark room.

I have heard in with my own ears 100 guys even the club that size is not Limited but as I said they can carry own doing what they like as it’s their choice and I will carry on with my opinions

Then don’t attend if you don’t like it!

Again I am not asking for advice and will not stop giving opinions

How can you comment on somewhere you have not even been to for over a year….. that’s changed so much also within that year.

I was there this March and if it was changed OP will not have the similar experience

Your comment about someone shouting in the dark room. I assume you was in that dark room at the time as you would not hear them from outside?

Was they shouting at you?

It’s a dark room name is the clue no one can see no one

Jeez reg cleverness of fab .

The question was…. Was you in the dark room when this quote you stated was being shouted out….. as you had to have been to hear it! "

Off-course I was

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By *rgrey14Man over a year ago

london

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

One hidden picture with no verifications and you are regular lol

I can vouch for mrgrey spoken to him and his friends at Abfabs and kestrels many times. Never seen you at the club this year or last year.

I make him right on how often you give the club a negative comment. At least once a week…

Be honest are you a banned member.

Again why you have to do a personal attack

I only comment about Friday night and my experience with it exactly how it was and when ever it will come again I will comment again .

So you’ve only ever attended once and on a Friday night?

No attended all days and nights throughout the year including couples nights.

It’s a review off a night people can make they own mind up

When a paying customer gives review about a business it is sensible that business take notice other wise they lose paying customers

How do you know that they’re not taking on board what paying customers are saying?

What kind of vibe the creates a bad one

So when was the last Friday night that you was actually there?

Single guys are limited. I can 100% vouch for that.

Never known anyone to shout no more men in the dark room.

I have heard in with my own ears 100 guys even the club that size is not Limited but as I said they can carry own doing what they like as it’s their choice and I will carry on with my opinions

Then don’t attend if you don’t like it!

Again I am not asking for advice and will not stop giving opinions

How can you comment on somewhere you have not even been to for over a year….. that’s changed so much also within that year.

I was there this March and if it was changed OP will not have the similar experience

Your comment about someone shouting in the dark room. I assume you was in that dark room at the time as you would not hear them from outside?

Was they shouting at you?

It’s a dark room name is the clue no one can see no one

Jeez reg cleverness of fab .

The question was…. Was you in the dark room when this quote you stated was being shouted out….. as you had to have been to hear it!

Off-course I was "

Exactly and 2 couples so your one of them guys you comment about that follow couples…

44 people in the dark room kind of settles my thoughts on you opinions you would just about get 20-25 in that room…

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

""Don't allow your partner to walk around on her own".

I prefer to make my own decisions.

IMHO you missed the context why OP mentioned.

This is what I was trying to say. I certainly didn't read it as a permission thing. More of a staying together as a couple on a first visit. "

Exactly what OP tried to say,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *renzMan over a year ago

Between Chichester and Havant

This would be one of the reasons I would be loath to attend on my own. I don't want to be bunched in with those type of single guys.

I attended several times last year with a female partner. We too had the door tried on a room, if we'd wanted company the door would have been open. We also used the dungeon a couple of times and one quite intense session was ruined with a guy trying to touch her without permission and another time I had to tell guys to retreat behind me so they weren't in our vision. Of which some very noisily sighed and complained. We were there for us, not them. We didn't stop them from watching, just asked politely that they were respectful. On saying this, the majority were and thanked us for the show at the end. I'm no longer with that female partner and am rather reluctant to go on my own. Just the way I am.

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By *ragon007Man over a year ago

london

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

One hidden picture with no verifications and you are regular lol

I can vouch for mrgrey spoken to him and his friends at Abfabs and kestrels many times. Never seen you at the club this year or last year.

I make him right on how often you give the club a negative comment. At least once a week…

Be honest are you a banned member.

Again why you have to do a personal attack

I only comment about Friday night and my experience with it exactly how it was and when ever it will come again I will comment again .

So you’ve only ever attended once and on a Friday night?

No attended all days and nights throughout the year including couples nights.

It’s a review off a night people can make they own mind up

When a paying customer gives review about a business it is sensible that business take notice other wise they lose paying customers

How do you know that they’re not taking on board what paying customers are saying?

What kind of vibe the creates a bad one

So when was the last Friday night that you was actually there?

Single guys are limited. I can 100% vouch for that.

Never known anyone to shout no more men in the dark room.

I have heard in with my own ears 100 guys even the club that size is not Limited but as I said they can carry own doing what they like as it’s their choice and I will carry on with my opinions

Then don’t attend if you don’t like it!

Again I am not asking for advice and will not stop giving opinions

How can you comment on somewhere you have not even been to for over a year….. that’s changed so much also within that year.

I was there this March and if it was changed OP will not have the similar experience

Your comment about someone shouting in the dark room. I assume you was in that dark room at the time as you would not hear them from outside?

Was they shouting at you?

It’s a dark room name is the clue no one can see no one

Jeez reg cleverness of fab .

The question was…. Was you in the dark room when this quote you stated was being shouted out….. as you had to have been to hear it!

Off-course I was

Exactly and 2 couples so your one of them guys you comment about that follow couples…

44 people in the dark room kind of settles my thoughts on you opinions you would just about get 20-25 in that room… "

Cannot even bothered to answer this one

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"This would be one of the reasons I would be loath to attend on my own. I don't want to be bunched in with those type of single guys.

My partner did express an interest in using the swinging chair but most unlikely to do so for this very reason. How sad..

I'd read several previous posts asking members to tell them what to expect, hence why I wrote the piece.

Hopefully this will give those who have yet to attend one of these clubs, the courage to go. What to expect (and so what to do to counter any unwanted attention) and also to the wanking dead, a message that what they do, does actually make others feel uncomfortable and hopefully makes them think twice when they are there!

We are there primarily for our enjoyment first and foremost.

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By *renzMan over a year ago

Between Chichester and Havant

"This would be one of the reasons I would be loath to attend on my own. I don't want to be bunched in with those type of single guys.

My partner did express an interest in using the swinging chair but most unlikely to do so for this very reason. How sad..

I'd read several previous posts asking members to tell them what to expect, hence why I wrote the piece.

We are there primarily for our enjoyment first and foremost. "

We had an impact session on the web. The first time a guy managed to get behind the web and although it sounds silly, pretty much unnoticed by both of us as we were both in the 'zone'. It wasn't until he reached out and touched her that we both realised. The second time I couldn't relax as I was trying to keep people out of our field of vision. Neither of us minded being watched but when it breaks the concentration of either of us. Generally we enjoyed our experience and found the majority of guys polite and respectful but you do have to be assertive and if all else fails the staff are on hand.

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By *ain and sortedMan over a year ago

Old Harlow Essex

"This would be one of the reasons I would be loath to attend on my own. I don't want to be bunched in with those type of single guys.

My partner did express an interest in using the swinging chair but most unlikely to do so for this very reason. How sad..

I'd read several previous posts asking members to tell them what to expect, hence why I wrote the piece.

We are there primarily for our enjoyment first and foremost.

Asa single guy visiting clubs, and with a partner now and again, this im afraid a very common occurrence, certainly not the clubs fault they can't police everything and by nature of the environment it sort of attracts these wanking walking zombies, if they actually had a normal conversation in a non sexual environment, everyone could decide if there is play time or not, no fwb won't go anymore because of this, even though she enjoyed the environment, shame really as a few igronant, people spoil it for the reast, I will still go as a single, however thsts not the idea of swinging it's supposed to be respectulfun x

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By *urvyandsnapperCouple over a year ago

Essex/Kent

Wow… this thread has wandered off in a few directions.

Don’t want to get involved in any of the silly mess but keen to feedback that we thought the ratio on Friday night (6th May) was absolutely spot on - we weren’t sure what it was going to be like and had assumed maybe a little cock heavy - but it was incredibly well judged - like most things this club does xx

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By *rgrey14Man over a year ago

london

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

One hidden picture with no verifications and you are regular lol

I can vouch for mrgrey spoken to him and his friends at Abfabs and kestrels many times. Never seen you at the club this year or last year.

I make him right on how often you give the club a negative comment. At least once a week…

Be honest are you a banned member.

Again why you have to do a personal attack

I only comment about Friday night and my experience with it exactly how it was and when ever it will come again I will comment again .

So you’ve only ever attended once and on a Friday night?

No attended all days and nights throughout the year including couples nights.

It’s a review off a night people can make they own mind up

When a paying customer gives review about a business it is sensible that business take notice other wise they lose paying customers

How do you know that they’re not taking on board what paying customers are saying?

What kind of vibe the creates a bad one

So when was the last Friday night that you was actually there?

Single guys are limited. I can 100% vouch for that.

Never known anyone to shout no more men in the dark room.

I have heard in with my own ears 100 guys even the club that size is not Limited but as I said they can carry own doing what they like as it’s their choice and I will carry on with my opinions

Then don’t attend if you don’t like it!

Again I am not asking for advice and will not stop giving opinions

How can you comment on somewhere you have not even been to for over a year….. that’s changed so much also within that year.

I was there this March and if it was changed OP will not have the similar experience

Your comment about someone shouting in the dark room. I assume you was in that dark room at the time as you would not hear them from outside?

Was they shouting at you?

It’s a dark room name is the clue no one can see no one

Jeez reg cleverness of fab .

The question was…. Was you in the dark room when this quote you stated was being shouted out….. as you had to have been to hear it!

Off-course I was

Exactly and 2 couples so your one of them guys you comment about that follow couples…

44 people in the dark room kind of settles my thoughts on you opinions you would just about get 20-25 in that room…

Cannot even bothered to answer this one "

Ok. But just to clarify this is the dark room that you stated “no one can see no one”

But you happened to be able to count 44 people in it and it being 2 couples and 40 men one of them being yourself.

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By *p4fun60Couple over a year ago

Hampshire

I have suggested to management a few times that they operate a coloured band system like some other venues do such as libbs, -

A red band for instance means not interested in single men, where as a green band means they are and a pink band means looking for bi, this works really well & Avoids so much confusion, wasted time & unwanted interaction.

with regards to dungeon play, this environment attracts a certain type of play with voyeurs welcome but also comes with its own rules & etiquette, completely different from other play areas within the club which unfortunately isn't always understood by non kink players to this Domm/sub environment that can sometimes become over excited & over zealous when watching! - unfortunately we had a simar bad experience in there one Friday evening that completely ruined our time in there or indeed our want to play in there again & if it hadn't been for Tasha getting involved with other management was escalating very quickly but this, just like the wanking dead is unfortunately something we have experienced in other clubs. And is purely down to the nature of the inexperianced clientele & not the club, Kestrels/Abfabs remains in our experience one of the best value & friendly places to meet new playmates in a safe environment & we highly recommend the social events there for newbies to be introduced to both the club scene as well as this lifestyle

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By *ragon007Man over a year ago

london

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By *ragon007Man over a year ago

london

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise.

This does happen a lot on single nights especially Friday night when it’s half price

Couple night are much better and more enjoyable

Facilities are much better

How are the facilities better on a “couples” night?

I mean pool and Suana and far newer than other clubs

You seriously have some issue with this club maybe just terminate your membership and leave others to enjoy the club.

I attend very regular and have never seen you in there on any night even on a couples night when I have been there.

When you have to constantly comment on this club… it tends to make you the problem not the club.

One hidden picture with no verifications and you are regular lol

I can vouch for mrgrey spoken to him and his friends at Abfabs and kestrels many times. Never seen you at the club this year or last year.

I make him right on how often you give the club a negative comment. At least once a week…

Be honest are you a banned member.

Again why you have to do a personal attack

I only comment about Friday night and my experience with it exactly how it was and when ever it will come again I will comment again .

So you’ve only ever attended once and on a Friday night?

No attended all days and nights throughout the year including couples nights.

It’s a review off a night people can make they own mind up

When a paying customer gives review about a business it is sensible that business take notice other wise they lose paying customers

How do you know that they’re not taking on board what paying customers are saying?

What kind of vibe the creates a bad one

So when was the last Friday night that you was actually there?

Single guys are limited. I can 100% vouch for that.

Never known anyone to shout no more men in the dark room.

I have heard in with my own ears 100 guys even the club that size is not Limited but as I said they can carry own doing what they like as it’s their choice and I will carry on with my opinions

Then don’t attend if you don’t like it!

Again I am not asking for advice and will not stop giving opinions

How can you comment on somewhere you have not even been to for over a year….. that’s changed so much also within that year.

I was there this March and if it was changed OP will not have the similar experience

Your comment about someone shouting in the dark room. I assume you was in that dark room at the time as you would not hear them from outside?

Was they shouting at you?

It’s a dark room name is the clue no one can see no one

Jeez reg cleverness of fab .

The question was…. Was you in the dark room when this quote you stated was being shouted out….. as you had to have been to hear it!

Off-course I was

Exactly and 2 couples so your one of them guys you comment about that follow couples…

44 people in the dark room kind of settles my thoughts on you opinions you would just about get 20-25 in that room…

Cannot even bothered to answer this one

Ok. But just to clarify this is the dark room that you stated “no one can see no one”

But you happened to be able to count 44 people in it and it being 2 couples and 40 men one of them being yourself.

Not sure what you getting out of this but even 25 of 30 will be too many if numbers were kept in control than it will be better experience for every one there is reason other places do That

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By *urreyVixenStagCouple over a year ago

Surrey

Not sure what you getting out of this but even 25 of 30 will be too many if numbers were kept in control than it will be better experience for every one there is reason other places do That

Oh just give it a rest will you! Numbers of single gents are controlled like all the other clubs.

Why not attend again on a Friday night, and then come back and give us your opinion rather than basing it off one night over a year ago.

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By *ctionman10Man over a year ago

London

"I have suggested to management a few times that they operate a coloured band system like some other venues do such as libbs, -

Totally agree sometimes the dungeon is used by people not experienced in some aspects of that lifestyle - and would just need advising politely.

The bands do work great in many clubs I also mentioned this when used the right way it gives people a better night they want. Keep it optional like libs and works really well.

Also couples should have to book to help them work on ratios give the owners a better understating on who is attending.

I have had great night here and at many clubs it’s about socialising and making good connections more than anything else.

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By *ragon007Man over a year ago

london

Not sure what you getting out of this but even 25 of 30 will be too many if numbers were kept in control than it will be better experience for every one there is reason other places do That

Oh just give it a rest will you! Numbers of single gents are controlled like all the other clubs.

Why not attend again on a Friday night, and then come back and give us your opinion rather than basing it off one night over a year ago.

If you guys give it a rest I will as well other wise I can do this all night long

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By *elaninMaverickWoman over a year ago

near Putney Heath

"Please don't get me/us wrong, we enjoyed our time there. The club itself and the staff were great and we will most definitely go back again.

As explained this was our first visit, and it was the 'predatory' single males that took us by surprise. "

I'm a single woman and I go to the clubs alone. Yes some guys are predatory and unfortunately, it is constant.

I have to state that there is a slight difference between naturists and swingers. Furthermore, many men/single men do not know the difference. They think any woman who visits this establishment is up for it. If you wish to have the same experience as a man visit the gay spas and you will be repeatedly propositioned. I've been to 4 clubs now and the only one where I didn't have to fend off single guys ( whether I was alone or with an actual partner) was Our Place for fun. It is a small intimate swingers club with no pool, jacuzzi, sauna or steam room but they do limit the amount of single guys for sure because it is so small with few lockable doors. The staff keep a very close watchful eye there.

If you want a more naturist experience you are probably better off going to one of the beaches and official outdoor ones without the swinging aspect.

I'm quite tough and have no problem pushing guys away and out of my way especially as I'm a solid 200lbs and could probably squash them if they misbehave. Most of my swinging partners are quite tough too and won't put up with any funny business. They are either tall, sporty and/or older and I don't think they will mince words with annoying men.

I remember my first time out with a swinging partner who was quite tall and we were having a chat on the bed at Hellfire and a rude guy came up and my partner told him "no we are not performing for him on cue". He backed right off. That was a relief because I didn't want to have to swear at the rude guy. Lol!

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By *anted by NightMan over a year ago

Shangri-La

Not sure what you getting out of this but even 25 of 30 will be too many if numbers were kept in control than it will be better experience for every one there is reason other places do That

Oh just give it a rest will you! Numbers of single gents are controlled like all the other clubs.

Why not attend again on a Friday night, and then come back and give us your opinion rather than basing it off one night over a year ago.

If you guys give it a rest I will as well other wise I can do this all night long "

Looking at your previous posts and other threads. Here is some feedback for you. Problem is not with club or any specific night. it’s with your attitude. You come across very desperate man

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By *elaninMaverickWoman over a year ago

near Putney Heath

Not sure what you getting out of this but even 25 of 30 will be too many if numbers were kept in control than it will be better experience for every one there is reason other places do That

Oh just give it a rest will you! Numbers of single gents are controlled like all the other clubs.

Why not attend again on a Friday night, and then come back and give us your opinion rather than basing it off one night over a year ago.

If you guys give it a rest I will as well other wise I can do this all night long

Looking at your previous posts and other threads. Here is some feedback for you. Problem is not with club or any specific night. it’s with your attitude. You come across very desperate man

We have a good time at Ab Fabs don't we! and Hellfire.

we will just swat any single guys and tell them stand two feet away from the bed.Lol!

Dunno about the dark room. That might be too much for me to spend any significant amount of time in. I can cope with the cinema in both clubs.

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By *oxy jWoman over a year ago

somerset

a firm slightly loud voice is needed at times in a club ...those singles guys who consantly follow are often male halfs of other couples and not always single guys in all the years we visted clubs all over the country in the uk the men that give the most hassle are male half of couples and their sense of entitlement most single guys will stay away if told your not interested and those that wont take that on board will not like to be told so is a louder voice that others will here too ..

i guess the hot tub thing would not of happened as we avoid them like the plague skin / spunk soup with nastie chems yuk no thanks..

as you go to your clubs more and more it will be that youll manage to find couples and women who are rude and disrespectful too ...

also couples do not rule the scene / clubs nor do women nor do men its a club for all there no rule book bar the clubs own rules and the word no and consent ...men as a whole are not bad anyone can be bad they were just trying there luck and to be honest you will soon learn this is the norm and its for you to say clearly and openly no thanks or as another said fuck off ...

clubs are not for everyone when you think 90% of the scene never go near them ...i/we like clubs as a every now and then ...love the clubs in germany and other euro zones they are full of men and it works very well too here we just label them all as bad full stop and they are not

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By *ragon007Man over a year ago

london

Not sure what you getting out of this but even 25 of 30 will be too many if numbers were kept in control than it will be better experience for every one there is reason other places do That

Oh just give it a rest will you! Numbers of single gents are controlled like all the other clubs.

Why not attend again on a Friday night, and then come back and give us your opinion rather than basing it off one night over a year ago.

If you guys give it a rest I will as well other wise I can do this all night long

Looking at your previous posts and other threads. Here is some feedback for you. Problem is not with club or any specific night. it’s with your attitude. You come across very desperate man

Again did not ask for Personal feed back not sure why people here cannot stop themselves personally attacking other people when they disagree with them so again I don’t actually care what are your thoughts about me as it’s extremely irrelevant for me

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By *anted by NightMan over a year ago

Shangri-La

Not sure what you getting out of this but even 25 of 30 will be too many if numbers were kept in control than it will be better experience for every one there is reason other places do That

Oh just give it a rest will you! Numbers of single gents are controlled like all the other clubs.

Why not attend again on a Friday night, and then come back and give us your opinion rather than basing it off one night over a year ago.

If you guys give it a rest I will as well other wise I can do this all night long

Looking at your previous posts and other threads. Here is some feedback for you. Problem is not with club or any specific night. it’s with your attitude. You come across very desperate man

We have a good time at Ab Fabs don't we! and Hellfire.

we will just swat any single guys and tell them stand two feet away from the bed.Lol!

Dunno about the dark room. That might be too much for me to spend any significant amount of time in. I can cope with the cinema in both clubs.

We always have a great time

Already looking forward to next one at abfabs

Majority of guys behaves but if there is odd one out then firm No is sufficient enough and men to woman ratio is same as with any other clubs on greedy girls nights.

I’m not a big fan of dark room and never played in there. You know me I like see who I'm playing with and it’s not possible in dark room. We like to put a show up so Cinema or four poster beds for me every time lol

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By *ed and WolfieCouple over a year ago

Gravesend

Replying to the original post, and ignoring most of the diatribe posted afterwards we have been to several clubs and let's be honest, they are pretty much all the same. They all need single blokes willing to pay the premium hoping for some action. Some of these single men are optimistic, desperate, or perhaps lack experience in a club environment, or have poor social skills. A polite no thanks with a smile usually works, occasionally something a touch more forceful is needed. The occasional invasion of personal space gets a rapid response, and if necessary staff will simply remove them.

We haven't been to abfabs/ kestrels, purely because of opportunity and location, but it is on the list.

When we do try a new club we do try and make it a social with others, it's always a bit less daunting and usually more fun.

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By *eyeYCouple over a year ago

Nr Leicester

Yes to the above comment!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Replying to the original post, and ignoring most of the diatribe posted afterwards we have been to several clubs and let's be honest, they are pretty much all the same. They all need single blokes willing to pay the premium hoping for some action. Some of these single men are optimistic, desperate, or perhaps lack experience in a club environment, or have poor social skills. A polite no thanks with a smile usually works, occasionally something a touch more forceful is needed. The occasional invasion of personal space gets a rapid response, and if necessary staff will simply remove them.

We haven't been to abfabs/ kestrels, purely because of opportunity and location, but it is on the list.

When we do try a new club we do try and make it a social with others, it's always a bit less daunting and usually more fun. "

Nailed it.

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