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"Most clubs are overrun with single males regardless of their enhanced entry fee. Their predatory nature puts many single women off going. We are groped, followed around and harassed. So one resentful male won't make much difference. " You’re not selling it! | |||
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"Whether it’s fair or not is totally irrelevant. It’s a simple case of supply and demand. Single men are in high supply but low demand, single women followed by couples are in high demand but low supply in a lot of cases. You wanna attract those in demand, surely you have to entice them somehow.If you don’t like it stay at home and save your money it’s a simple as that really cos it ain’t ever gonna change. "  100% right! | |||
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"Whether it’s fair or not is totally irrelevant. It’s a simple case of supply and demand. Single men are in high supply but low demand, single women followed by couples are in high demand but low supply in a lot of cases. You wanna attract those in demand, surely you have to entice them somehow.If you don’t like it stay at home and save your money it’s a simple as that really cos it ain’t ever gonna change. " I agree with everything you have said here
Personally, I don't like the not feeling welcome as a single guy. I wouldn't visit another club on my own again | |||
"Whether it’s fair or not is totally irrelevant. It’s a simple case of supply and demand. Single men are in high supply but low demand, single women followed by couples are in high demand but low supply in a lot of cases. You wanna attract those in demand, surely you have to entice them somehow.If you don’t like it stay at home and save your money it’s a simple as that really cos it ain’t ever gonna change. I agree with everything you have said here
Personally, I don't like the not feeling welcome as a single guy. I wouldn't visit another club on my own again "I dunno about the whole “not feeling welcome as a single guy” thing. Personally I’ve never really experienced that in any clubs I’ve been to on my own. Maybe it’s ones you’re going to or the vibe on a specific night | |||
"I note with interest the extreme cost differences single males, single females and couples at the majority of club events. Some rates are up to 10 times more for single males than females. Be fair!!" When it really matters, I totally support equal human rights. But those who interpret completely wrongly the principle of equality and try to push through this "we are all the same so don't differentiate at all" agenda (should I say "woke culture"...), are just about to destroy everything they touch. Thank God, the nature of business and market rules will be stronger, but still... Please do not try to demolish the club scene with this terrible idea of the same entry fee! Otherwise, clubs will become the IRL version of this website, where the male/female ratio will be 20-1... I visit clubs as a single man, and I'm not rich by any means, but I rather choose an event where the ticket costs £60-£100 for me if in return I can get access to a good party with a healthy gender ratio and not a bloody sausage fest. If the venue is nice and clean, the clientele is friendly and sexy, then I'm happy to spend that money. I might not go every weekend, but I know that when I go, I will have a good time! And why should that hurt me, if couples and girls get way cheaper tickets for the same party? Anyway, girls spend a fortune on beauticians, hairdressers, makeup and dresses, while I cut my hair myself, take a shower, a clean shirt and a pair of trousers and am ready to go. I'm not even sure that in the end, I spent more on that night or the girls! | |||
"I agree with everything you have said here
Personally, I don't like the not feeling welcome as a single guy. I wouldn't visit another club on my own again "I visit clubs as a single guy for around 8-9 years now, and I also do it sometimes with a female FWP partner, as a couple, so I can see it from both sides. There are guys who are simply idiots, and I can't even imagine, what are they hoping for... Those are the "wanking zombies", stalkers, etc who don't try to get involved in any chat or socialize as normal human beings but act as complete weirdos or even sometimes being uncomfortably pushy, try to touch girls without consent, etc. On the other hand - and here comes why is the unified entry price is a terrible idea, if the guys outnumber females in a club, these girls and the couples will get fed up with being approached every second minute by someone, even if he does it in a polite, civil way. That's why those parties are the good ones, when the number of single guys don't outnumber couples and girls, so you will have a good chance to get involved in chats, the atmosphere is not weird in general, and so on. Usually, these are the events where the number of single men are strictly limited, and/or the single guys tickets are way more expensive. Whether you like it or not, that is the way how it works, but at the end of the day, you will have a great evening! Don't give up clubbing, but try some events when the number of single men is limited! | |||
"Whether it’s fair or not is totally irrelevant. It’s a simple case of supply and demand. Single men are in high supply but low demand, single women followed by couples are in high demand but low supply in a lot of cases. You wanna attract those in demand, surely you have to entice them somehow.If you don’t like it stay at home and save your money it’s a simple as that really cos it ain’t ever gonna change. I agree with everything you have said here
Personally, I don't like the not feeling welcome as a single guy. I wouldn't visit another club on my own again
I dunno about the whole “not feeling welcome as a single guy” thing. Personally I’ve never really experienced that in any clubs I’ve been to on my own. Maybe it’s ones you’re going to or the vibe on a specific night "Probably a bit of both mate | |||
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"I agree with everything you have said here
Personally, I don't like the not feeling welcome as a single guy. I wouldn't visit another club on my own again
I visit clubs as a single guy for around 8-9 years now, and I also do it sometimes with a female FWP partner, as a couple, so I can see it from both sides.
There are guys who are simply idiots, and I can't even imagine, what are they hoping for... Those are the "wanking zombies", stalkers, etc who don't try to get involved in any chat or socialize as normal human beings but act as complete weirdos or even sometimes being uncomfortably pushy, try to touch girls without consent, etc.
On the other hand - and here comes why is the unified entry price is a terrible idea, if the guys outnumber females in a club, these girls and the couples will get fed up with being approached every second minute by someone, even if he does it in a polite, civil way.
That's why those parties are the good ones, when the number of single guys don't outnumber couples and girls, so you will have a good chance to get involved in chats, the atmosphere is not weird in general, and so on. Usually, these are the events where the number of single men are strictly limited, and/or the single guys tickets are way more expensive.
Whether you like it or not, that is the way how it works, but at the end of the day, you will have a great evening!
Don't give up clubbing, but try some events when the number of single men is limited!"There is a name for the guys who follow you around. They are the "wanking dead" | |||
"I note with interest the extreme cost differences single males, single females and couples at the majority of club events. Some rates are up to 10 times more for single males than females. Be fair!!" .... Maybe have a change of perspective .... The single male entry price is "the" price but , single ladies and couples get a discounted price ....  | |||
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"Simple fact are couples normally spend more at the bar than the single guy who nurses a bottle of water all night in case he gets brewers droop We won't attend a single guy event purely because of the wanking dead Half the single guys can't be arsed to chat to a couple before following them around I've been on single guy nights as a single guy and will always chat be respectful to both halves even offer to buy them a drink and I've never gone near a play area unless invited Couples only nights are normally a little more to enter than single guy nights so it's swings n roundabouts and we are happy to pay the extra to avoid the single guys x " Think that's a little harsh and generising all single guys.. I myself as the female half of a couple, am straight and expect to have an eclectic mix of single guys that I do not have to go through the female first to get to. Personally I have never had an issue in over 4yrs with a single guy but I HAVE had issues with female halves of couples assuming they can grope me even after stating I'm not interested and thinking that is acceptable.. swinging life is a double edged sword and what pleases one will not another, so to gave a varied mix surely that requires a varied clientèle to appease all | |||
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"I prefer a single guy night but unfortunately can mainly only go out on a Saturday night and most clubs don’t allow single men on Saturdays " Have you tred OP4F's Saturday night party? They let in only 5 single guys, also selected one (I mean those who are known for following tbe etiquette not being a pest). As a single man, I think that's the best option, when a few guys are allowed but not too many. I just also tried Penthouse Playrooms, last Saturday single men could attend, but the ratio was still good, and it was an amazing party! I know, some of their Saturdays are couples only but let in solo man twice month. I can recommend that for you too!  | |||
"I note with interest the extreme cost differences single males, single females and couples at the majority of club events. Some rates are up to 10 times more for single males than females. Be fair!!" To stop there being ten times more males then females maybe. | |||
"I prefer a single guy night but unfortunately can mainly only go out on a Saturday night and most clubs don’t allow single men on Saturdays " You need to come to Penthouse Scarlett. The scene is missing our fav party girl!!! Come back soon xxx | |||
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"I prefer a single guy night but unfortunately can mainly only go out on a Saturday night and most clubs don’t allow single men on Saturdays You need to come to Penthouse Scarlett. The scene is missing our fav party girl!!! Come back soon xxx " Holy fuck! You have the hottest profile I’ve seen in here!  x | |||
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"Most clubs are overrun with single males regardless of their enhanced entry fee. Their predatory nature puts many single women off going. We are groped, followed around and harassed. So one resentful male won't make much difference. " I have never really experienced this going to clubs with my partner. There has been odd occasions we have had to ask a guy to move back but they are definitely not regular occurrences. In fact they were at events specifically for people who want a lot of single guys. More often than not at club nights we have wanted more single guys as most limit them to low numbers. More choice needed haha As for price…I really enjoy swingers clubs so I am all for them doing whatever they need to do to run a healthy business. | |||
"I prefer a single guy night but unfortunately can mainly only go out on a Saturday night and most clubs don’t allow single men on Saturdays You need to come to Penthouse Scarlett. The scene is missing our fav party girl!!! Come back soon xxx " Most definitely are coming to Penthouse. Back on the club scene now I’m looking on the website right now to find a night that’s best to come - be lovely to see you again xx | |||
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"Whether it’s fair or not is totally irrelevant. It’s a simple case of supply and demand. Single men are in high supply but low demand, single women followed by couples are in high demand but low supply in a lot of cases. You wanna attract those in demand, surely you have to entice them somehow.If you don’t like it stay at home and save your money it’s a simple as that really cos it ain’t ever gonna change. " The amount of times I’ve heard single guys gripe about this but totally ignore the fact that single women are LITERALLY followed around by wanking zombies at clubs is ridiculous. Added to the fact that I’ve heard several times at several different events/clubs “I’ve paid £X to get in here and not got any action” I would select clubs events that put a cap for single guys; as they usually are the better mix, whereas the ones that swamp the club with numbers are just after your money and don’t care about the existence of single women. And on that make sure the single women are happy; by that I mean give them space and treat them as though they’re not there to waggle your Willy at. | |||
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"Most clubs are overrun with single males regardless of their enhanced entry fee. Their predatory nature puts many single women off going. We are groped, followed around and harassed. So one resentful male won't make much difference. I have never really experienced this going to clubs with my partner. There has been odd occasions we have had to ask a guy to move back but they are definitely not regular occurrences. In fact they were at events specifically for people who want a lot of single guys. More often than not at club nights we have wanted more single guys as most limit them to low numbers. More choice needed haha As for price…I really enjoy swingers clubs so I am all for them doing whatever they need to do to run a healthy business." You're not a single woman are you???? | |||
"I note with interest the extreme cost differences single males, single females and couples at the majority of club events. Some rates are up to 10 times more for single males than females. Be fair!! When it really matters, I totally support equal human rights. But those who interpret completely wrongly the principle of equality and try to push through this "we are all the same so don't differentiate at all" agenda (should I say "woke culture"...), are just about to destroy everything they touch. Thank God, the nature of business and market rules will be stronger, but still... Please do not try to demolish the club scene with this terrible idea of the same entry fee! Otherwise, clubs will become the IRL version of this website, where the male/female ratio will be 20-1... I visit clubs as a single man, and I'm not rich by any means, but I rather choose an event where the ticket costs £60-£100 for me if in return I can get access to a good party with a healthy gender ratio and not a bloody sausage fest. If the venue is nice and clean, the clientele is friendly and sexy, then I'm happy to spend that money. I might not go every weekend, but I know that when I go, I will have a good time! And why should that hurt me, if couples and girls get way cheaper tickets for the same party? Anyway, girls spend a fortune on beauticians, hairdressers, makeup and dresses, while I cut my hair myself, take a shower, a clean shirt and a pair of trousers and am ready to go. I'm not even sure that in the end, I spent more on that night or the girls!" Well said | |||
"Make it the same price for everyone and see the clubs die. There'll be more and more single guys, fewer couples and even fewer single women. Then the single guys would stop going as there won't be enough women to satisfy the demand. (Bry)" Common sense | |||
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"Make it the same price for everyone and see the clubs die. There'll be more and more single guys, fewer couples and even fewer single women. Then the single guys would stop going as there won't be enough women to satisfy the demand. (Bry) Common sense "This | |||
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"Private clubs can discriminate based on the sex of their members. It is not illegal although it would likely cause an outrage if it were the other way round and you can see many private clubs that had male only entry policies have been shamed into opening upto women. I doubt that a swinging club would really care about the shaming part and would probably appreciate it - any advertising is good advertising right? Is it hypocritical you and I have to pay extra? Yes. Is it going to change? No. C’est la vie." What's hypocritical about it? You could argue unfair, probably not discriminatory (as it's positive action).....but I struggle to see any element of hypocrisy? A | |||
"Private clubs can discriminate based on the sex of their members. It is not illegal although it would likely cause an outrage if it were the other way round and you can see many private clubs that had male only entry policies have been shamed into opening upto women. I doubt that a swinging club would really care about the shaming part and would probably appreciate it - any advertising is good advertising right? Is it hypocritical you and I have to pay extra? Yes. Is it going to change? No. C’est la vie. What's hypocritical about it? You could argue unfair, probably not discriminatory (as it's positive action).....but I struggle to see any element of hypocrisy? A" If you are happy to have discrimination based on gender then awesome for you. Obviously you would not complain if it were the other way round or you had restrictions placed on your membership of another type of club because of your sex - if you did complain then you would be showing hypocrisy but as you don’t think it is hypocrisy then that is not an issue for you | |||
"Private clubs can discriminate based on the sex of their members. It is not illegal although it would likely cause an outrage if it were the other way round and you can see many private clubs that had male only entry policies have been shamed into opening upto women. I doubt that a swinging club would really care about the shaming part and would probably appreciate it - any advertising is good advertising right? Is it hypocritical you and I have to pay extra? Yes. Is it going to change? No. C’est la vie. What's hypocritical about it? You could argue unfair, probably not discriminatory (as it's positive action).....but I struggle to see any element of hypocrisy? A If you are happy to have discrimination based on gender then awesome for you. Obviously you would not complain if it were the other way round or you had restrictions placed on your membership of another type of club because of your sex - if you did complain then you would be showing hypocrisy but as you don’t think it is hypocrisy then that is not an issue for you "Hypocrisy - "Hypocrisy is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another or the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform" Differential pricing isn't an example of hypocrisy. You know that OAP'get reduced travel prices? As do students? There's also often discounts to both groups at restaurants, cinemas and other leisure venues. There are endless examples of where pricing is used to promote participation by groups who would otherwise not engage in certain activities. It's not hypocritical. Would you attend a club where there were 95% straight single men, 3% couples and 2% single women? Would you be happy doing so, safe in the knowledge that your chances of playing with a couple/single female were massively reduced but pleased that you'd paid the same as them to prop up the bar with other guys all night? Life isn't always fair. If you have a solution to the issue that could be solved without any variance in entry fee.....please tell everyone. Because clubs would be over the moon if you could. As would single men no doubt.
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" If you are happy to have discrimination based on gender then awesome for you. Obviously you would not complain if it were the other way round or you had restrictions placed on your membership of another type of club because of your sex - if you did complain then you would be showing hypocrisy but as you don’t think it is hypocrisy then that is not an issue for you
Hypocrisy - "Hypocrisy is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another or the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform"
"What you wrote and what I wrote are the same thing - if you complain about being discriminated against because your sex whilst also saying it is fine for someone to else to be discriminated based on their sex then that is hypocritical. We agree on that
My hypocrisy point was not about the differential pricing it was about the fact that some clubs that do discriminate based on gender (ie old style male members clubs, golf clubs, cricket clubs etc) have been shamed into changing their rule by societal pressure whereas other clubs (such as your favourite swinging club) are not because they favour females. Looking at it objectively you have to say that is weird but that is life.
A solution? How about everyone pays the same? Obviously I am out of kilter with this forum because I have this crazy idea that everyone should be equal but I appreciate that is not going to fit in with the zeitgeist. | |||
"I prefer a single guy night but unfortunately can mainly only go out on a Saturday night and most clubs don’t allow single men on Saturdays Have you tred OP4F's Saturday night party? They let in only 5 single guys, also selected one (I mean those who are known for following tbe etiquette not being a pest). As a single man, I think that's the best option, when a few guys are allowed but not too many. I just also tried Penthouse Playrooms, last Saturday single men could attend, but the ratio was still good, and it was an amazing party! I know, some of their Saturdays are couples only but let in solo man twice month. I can recommend that for you too! "I personally do not think allowing 5 single guys in would attract me to a club night. I am picky as I have every right to be so I can probably say for certain that chances are I wouldn’t be attracted to any of them I like choice and don’t play just because there’s limited choice lol | |||
" A solution? How about everyone pays the same? Obviously I am out of kilter with this forum because I have this crazy idea that everyone should be equal but I appreciate that is not going to fit in with the zeitgeist." So everyone pays the same. And less couples attend and less single females because they view the attendance levels as having too many men. So you have a club full of guys. Fine if they're all bi of course - they can play with eachother. Nobody is saying people aren't equal. What is happening is there is a business model adopted by the majority of clubs to maintain a balanced attendance by all genders to enable them to stay open and run successfully. The alternative? Clubs just decide to restrict single men to even fewer nights than they are currently allowed (even more discrimination I'm sure you'd say) and just stick to couple/single female nights. Every time this argument comes up it's the same, Swingers clubs want single men to attend. Most club attending couples and single females want single men to attend. There'd be fuck all point in many going otherwise. What nobody wants (including the single men themselves) is for a venue to be full to the brim with single guys all fighting for the attention of a handful of couples and single women. Would you go to such a club even if you paid the same as a couple? I doubt it. When men complained that women were being charged less for car insurance (despite them being statistically a lower risk profile) what happened? Did men's premiums reduce? No. The women's went up. Be careful what you wish for as it generally won't end the way you hope. A | |||
"I personally do not think allowing 5 single guys in would attract me to a club night. I am picky as I have every right to be so I can probably say for certain that chances are I wouldn’t be attracted to any of them I like choice and don’t play just because there’s limited choice lol " That makes sense! | |||
" Be careful what you wish for as it generally won't end the way you hope. A" Personally I would rather have a society based on equality - if clubs went by the wayside then I would happily make that trade off. | |||
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" Be careful what you wish for as it generally won't end the way you hope. A Personally I would rather have a society based on equality - if clubs went by the wayside then I would happily make that trade off." So in short, you would be happy to live a shitty, miserable, joyless life if that is the price of the (totally wrongly interpreted) social equality. That would be amazing. Don't take it personally, but that's why I hope the woke will never get to power. But I have some doubts about it, sadly... You are on this page, and your profile says straight, so I guess you are interested to meet women (single or part of a couple). Do you like clubbing? If yes, the idea you promote will kill the parties, and you will see only men there, so you go against yourself. If you don't visit clubs anyway, then please let us enjoy what we like. I visit them regularly and am very happy to pay even 5x more than a single girl if in return I can enjoy a good party. Clubs (and this page too) are for fun, so don't be a snowflake and don't feel offended. Leave the human rights activism for those topics where they really matter. Using these arguments for lowering swingers club prices for men makes other (really important) cases look funny too. I can go even further. I don't feel offended when a party says Black Men's Fan Club, so I don't fit in, if a women's profile says I'm outside of her preferred age range or skin colour, or I'm simply not for her coz I don't have a 9' plus package. In other parts of life, these would come through as terrible discrimination but this page and the clubs are about sexual activities and everyone is entitled to have their sexual preference, just as I have my preferences too. | |||
" Be careful what you wish for as it generally won't end the way you hope. A Personally I would rather have a society based on equality - if clubs went by the wayside then I would happily make that trade off. So in short, you would be happy to live a shitty, miserable, joyless life if that is the price of the (totally wrongly interpreted) social equality. That would be amazing. Don't take it personally, but that's why I hope the woke will never get to power. But I have some doubts about it, sadly... You are on this page, and your profile says straight, so I guess you are interested to meet women (single or part of a couple). Do you like clubbing? If yes, the idea you promote will kill the parties, and you will see only men there, so you go against yourself. If you don't visit clubs anyway, then please let us enjoy what we like. I visit them regularly and am very happy to pay even 5x more than a single girl if in return I can enjoy a good party. Clubs (and this page too) are for fun, so don't be a snowflake and don't feel offended. Leave the human rights activism for those topics where they really matter. Using these arguments for lowering swingers club prices for men makes other (really important) cases look funny too. I can go even further. I don't feel offended when a party says Black Men's Fan Club, so I don't fit in, if a women's profile says I'm outside of her preferred age range or skin colour, or I'm simply not for her coz I don't have a 9' plus package. In other parts of life, these would come through as terrible discrimination but this page and the clubs are about sexual activities and everyone is entitled to have their sexual preference, just as I have my preferences too." If you knew me you would not call me woke - I am the antithesis of that
I also don’t think that equal charging at a club would be the end of civilisation. People would adapt.
Personally clubs don’t really do anything for me. Too much preening and posturing (remarkably like these forums ). I enjoy meeting couples and single ladies outside the clubs - hence why I am apathetic, at best, about your fears. | |||
" Be careful what you wish for as it generally won't end the way you hope. A Personally I would rather have a society based on equality - if clubs went by the wayside then I would happily make that trade off. So in short, you would be happy to live a shitty, miserable, joyless life if that is the price of the (totally wrongly interpreted) social equality. That would be amazing. Don't take it personally, but that's why I hope the woke will never get to power. But I have some doubts about it, sadly... You are on this page, and your profile says straight, so I guess you are interested to meet women (single or part of a couple). Do you like clubbing? If yes, the idea you promote will kill the parties, and you will see only men there, so you go against yourself. If you don't visit clubs anyway, then please let us enjoy what we like. I visit them regularly and am very happy to pay even 5x more than a single girl if in return I can enjoy a good party. Clubs (and this page too) are for fun, so don't be a snowflake and don't feel offended. Leave the human rights activism for those topics where they really matter. Using these arguments for lowering swingers club prices for men makes other (really important) cases look funny too. I can go even further. I don't feel offended when a party says Black Men's Fan Club, so I don't fit in, if a women's profile says I'm outside of her preferred age range or skin colour, or I'm simply not for her coz I don't have a 9' plus package. In other parts of life, these would come through as terrible discrimination but this page and the clubs are about sexual activities and everyone is entitled to have their sexual preference, just as I have my preferences too. If you knew me you would not call me woke - I am the antithesis of that
I also don’t think that equal charging at a club would be the end of civilisation. People would adapt.
Personally clubs don’t really do anything for me. Too much preening and posturing (remarkably like these forums ). I enjoy meeting couples and single ladies outside the clubs - hence why I am apathetic, at best, about your fears."So essentially you've no vested interest in how clubs charge entries and it doesn't really affect you? Glad that's been cleared up. Because you sounded far from apathetic in your comments. A | |||
" So essentially you've no vested interest in how clubs charge entries and it doesn't really affect you? Glad that's been cleared up. Because you sounded far from apathetic in your comments. A" I have an opinion on the fact that I don’t think people should be treated differently for arbitrary reasons. Clubs are part of that. Clear? | |||
" So essentially you've no vested interest in how clubs charge entries and it doesn't really affect you? Glad that's been cleared up. Because you sounded far from apathetic in your comments. A I have an opinion on the fact that I don’t think people should be treated differently for arbitrary reasons. Clubs are part of that. Clear?" So why is the argument always that single men are overcharged at clubs? Why aren't you demanding that women be charged more? That would make them equal would it not? A | |||
" So essentially you've no vested interest in how clubs charge entries and it doesn't really affect you? Glad that's been cleared up. Because you sounded far from apathetic in your comments. A I have an opinion on the fact that I don’t think people should be treated differently for arbitrary reasons. Clubs are part of that. Clear? So why is the argument always that single men are overcharged at clubs? Why aren't you demanding that women be charged more? That would make them equal would it not? A" Have you read _anything_ I have written? That is exactly what I have said above. LOL | |||
"I agree with everything you have said here
Personally, I don't like the not feeling welcome as a single guy. I wouldn't visit another club on my own again
I visit clubs as a single guy for around 8-9 years now, and I also do it sometimes with a female FWP partner, as a couple, so I can see it from both sides.
There are guys who are simply idiots, and I can't even imagine, what are they hoping for... Those are the "wanking zombies", stalkers, etc who don't try to get involved in any chat or socialize as normal human beings but act as complete weirdos or even sometimes being uncomfortably pushy, try to touch girls without consent, etc.
On the other hand - and here comes why is the unified entry price is a terrible idea, if the guys outnumber females in a club, these girls and the couples will get fed up with being approached every second minute by someone, even if he does it in a polite, civil way.
That's why those parties are the good ones, when the number of single guys don't outnumber couples and girls, so you will have a good chance to get involved in chats, the atmosphere is not weird in general, and so on. Usually, these are the events where the number of single men are strictly limited, and/or the single guys tickets are way more expensive.
Whether you like it or not, that is the way how it works, but at the end of the day, you will have a great evening!
Don't give up clubbing, but try some events when the number of single men is limited!"Excellent response: well presented | |||
" So essentially you've no vested interest in how clubs charge entries and it doesn't really affect you? Glad that's been cleared up. Because you sounded far from apathetic in your comments. A I have an opinion on the fact that I don’t think people should be treated differently for arbitrary reasons. Clubs are part of that. Clear? So why is the argument always that single men are overcharged at clubs? Why aren't you demanding that women be charged more? That would make them equal would it not? A Have you read _anything_ I have written? That is exactly what I have said above. LOL" Not once have you suggested that women should be charged more. I just double checked. All you've stated is that prices should be 'equal'. Nobody ever suggests that entry fees for single women should be raised to the same level as single men. There's must be a reason, surely? A | |||
" So essentially you've no vested interest in how clubs charge entries and it doesn't really affect you? Glad that's been cleared up. Because you sounded far from apathetic in your comments. A I have an opinion on the fact that I don’t think people should be treated differently for arbitrary reasons. Clubs are part of that. Clear? So why is the argument always that single men are overcharged at clubs? Why aren't you demanding that women be charged more? That would make them equal would it not? A Have you read _anything_ I have written? That is exactly what I have said above. LOL Not once have you suggested that women should be charged more. I just double checked. All you've stated is that prices should be 'equal'. Nobody ever suggests that entry fees for single women should be raised to the same level as single men. There's must be a reason, surely? A" Clubs have enough of a hard time luring single ladies. The low cost they charge if at all is the sweetener They are the minority that need to be attracted | |||
" So essentially you've no vested interest in how clubs charge entries and it doesn't really affect you? Glad that's been cleared up. Because you sounded far from apathetic in your comments. A I have an opinion on the fact that I don’t think people should be treated differently for arbitrary reasons. Clubs are part of that. Clear? So why is the argument always that single men are overcharged at clubs? Why aren't you demanding that women be charged more? That would make them equal would it not? A Have you read _anything_ I have written? That is exactly what I have said above. LOL Not once have you suggested that women should be charged more. I just double checked. All you've stated is that prices should be 'equal'. Nobody ever suggests that entry fees for single women should be raised to the same level as single men. There's must be a reason, surely? A" Men are charged more than anything women. We all know why that is because the clubs can do that. No one is disagreeing with that analysis because it is self evident. I assume we are in agreement on that? The bit when I say that prices should be equal - how do you suggest that they would be equalised if one didn’t move up/down depending on whether they were high or low? Do you know some other way of equalising things that are different? | |||
" So essentially you've no vested interest in how clubs charge entries and it doesn't really affect you? Glad that's been cleared up. Because you sounded far from apathetic in your comments. A I have an opinion on the fact that I don’t think people should be treated differently for arbitrary reasons. Clubs are part of that. Clear? So why is the argument always that single men are overcharged at clubs? Why aren't you demanding that women be charged more? That would make them equal would it not? A Have you read _anything_ I have written? That is exactly what I have said above. LOL Not once have you suggested that women should be charged more. I just double checked. All you've stated is that prices should be 'equal'. Nobody ever suggests that entry fees for single women should be raised to the same level as single men. There's must be a reason, surely? A Clubs have enough of a hard time luring single ladies. The low cost they charge if at all is the sweetener They are the minority that need to be attracted " I know that. I often wonder if those complaining about single male entry charges do though.....
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" So essentially you've no vested interest in how clubs charge entries and it doesn't really affect you? Glad that's been cleared up. Because you sounded far from apathetic in your comments. A I have an opinion on the fact that I don’t think people should be treated differently for arbitrary reasons. Clubs are part of that. Clear? So why is the argument always that single men are overcharged at clubs? Why aren't you demanding that women be charged more? That would make them equal would it not? A Have you read _anything_ I have written? That is exactly what I have said above. LOL Not once have you suggested that women should be charged more. I just double checked. All you've stated is that prices should be 'equal'. Nobody ever suggests that entry fees for single women should be raised to the same level as single men. There's must be a reason, surely? A Men are charged more than anything women. We all know why that is because the clubs can do that. No one is disagreeing with that analysis because it is self evident. I assume we are in agreement on that? The bit when I say that prices should be equal - how do you suggest that they would be equalised if one didn’t move up/down depending on whether they were high or low? Do you know some other way of equalising things that are different?" Clubs don't do it because 'they can'. They do it to maintain balance. That's been explained numerous times already. As for how to equalise things? I don't believe it needs to be equalised, again for the reasons I've already stated. If you think that's unfair. So be it. Life isn't always fair or equal. Sometimes trying to make it so makes things worse for everyone. This is one of those times. A | |||
" So essentially you've no vested interest in how clubs charge entries and it doesn't really affect you? Glad that's been cleared up. Because you sounded far from apathetic in your comments. A I have an opinion on the fact that I don’t think people should be treated differently for arbitrary reasons. Clubs are part of that. Clear? So why is the argument always that single men are overcharged at clubs? Why aren't you demanding that women be charged more? That would make them equal would it not? A Have you read _anything_ I have written? That is exactly what I have said above. LOL Not once have you suggested that women should be charged more. I just double checked. All you've stated is that prices should be 'equal'. Nobody ever suggests that entry fees for single women should be raised to the same level as single men. There's must be a reason, surely? A Men are charged more than anything women. We all know why that is because the clubs can do that. No one is disagreeing with that analysis because it is self evident. I assume we are in agreement on that? The bit when I say that prices should be equal - how do you suggest that they would be equalised if one didn’t move up/down depending on whether they were high or low? Do you know some other way of equalising things that are different? Clubs don't do it because 'they can'. They do it to maintain balance. That's been explained numerous times already. As for how to equalise things? I don't believe it needs to be equalised, again for the reasons I've already stated. If you think that's unfair. So be it. Life isn't always fair or equal. Sometimes trying to make it so makes things worse for everyone. This is one of those times. A " I never said it was unfair - I said it was hypocritical of people to be happy for discrimination to take place when it favours them and to shout about it when it goes against them. Apparently wanting to treat people equally and be _consistent_ in that is “woke” (which is amusing given that most people would consider me to be an unreconstructed dinosaur). I don’t give a monkeys hoot about fairness. | |||
" So essentially you've no vested interest in how clubs charge entries and it doesn't really affect you? Glad that's been cleared up. Because you sounded far from apathetic in your comments. A I have an opinion on the fact that I don’t think people should be treated differently for arbitrary reasons. Clubs are part of that. Clear? So why is the argument always that single men are overcharged at clubs? Why aren't you demanding that women be charged more? That would make them equal would it not? A Have you read _anything_ I have written? That is exactly what I have said above. LOL Not once have you suggested that women should be charged more. I just double checked. All you've stated is that prices should be 'equal'. Nobody ever suggests that entry fees for single women should be raised to the same level as single men. There's must be a reason, surely? A Clubs have enough of a hard time luring single ladies. The low cost they charge if at all is the sweetener They are the minority that need to be attracted I know that. I often wonder if those complaining about single male entry charges do though.....
A"Haha I hear you It’s funny, as in all the time I was a host at clubs the men that came never ever moaned about the price they paid I always think if you don’t like it don’t go and if you don’t go anyway why you bitching about it  | |||
" So essentially you've no vested interest in how clubs charge entries and it doesn't really affect you? Glad that's been cleared up. Because you sounded far from apathetic in your comments. A I have an opinion on the fact that I don’t think people should be treated differently for arbitrary reasons. Clubs are part of that. Clear? So why is the argument always that single men are overcharged at clubs? Why aren't you demanding that women be charged more? That would make them equal would it not? A Have you read _anything_ I have written? That is exactly what I have said above. LOL Not once have you suggested that women should be charged more. I just double checked. All you've stated is that prices should be 'equal'. Nobody ever suggests that entry fees for single women should be raised to the same level as single men. There's must be a reason, surely? A Clubs have enough of a hard time luring single ladies. The low cost they charge if at all is the sweetener They are the minority that need to be attracted I know that. I often wonder if those complaining about single male entry charges do though.....
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Haha I hear you
It’s funny, as in all the time I was a host at clubs the men that came never ever moaned about the price they paid
I always think if you don’t like it don’t go and if you don’t go anyway why you bitching about it
"At the club I occasionally used to host I had to politely explain to one guy that just because he was attending a greedy girls night that none of the women were obliged to shag him. "But I paid to get in" Yeah............ok. That night there were two couples and just three single ladies. And there was no limit on men so you can imagine the numbers. Plenty complained about the lack of women in the venue. Others said that the number of men should have been restricted. You can't win. 
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" So essentially you've no vested interest in how clubs charge entries and it doesn't really affect you? Glad that's been cleared up. Because you sounded far from apathetic in your comments. A I have an opinion on the fact that I don’t think people should be treated differently for arbitrary reasons. Clubs are part of that. Clear? So why is the argument always that single men are overcharged at clubs? Why aren't you demanding that women be charged more? That would make them equal would it not? A Have you read _anything_ I have written? That is exactly what I have said above. LOL Not once have you suggested that women should be charged more. I just double checked. All you've stated is that prices should be 'equal'. Nobody ever suggests that entry fees for single women should be raised to the same level as single men. There's must be a reason, surely? A Clubs have enough of a hard time luring single ladies. The low cost they charge if at all is the sweetener They are the minority that need to be attracted I know that. I often wonder if those complaining about single male entry charges do though.....
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Haha I hear you
It’s funny, as in all the time I was a host at clubs the men that came never ever moaned about the price they paid
I always think if you don’t like it don’t go and if you don’t go anyway why you bitching about it
At the club I occasionally used to host I had to politely explain to one guy that just because he was attending a greedy girls night that none of the women were obliged to shag him.
"But I paid to get in"
Yeah............ok.
That night there were two couples and just three single ladies. And there was no limit on men so you can imagine the numbers.
Plenty complained about the lack of women in the venue. Others said that the number of men should have been restricted.
You can't win.
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" So essentially you've no vested interest in how clubs charge entries and it doesn't really affect you? Glad that's been cleared up. Because you sounded far from apathetic in your comments. A I have an opinion on the fact that I don’t think people should be treated differently for arbitrary reasons. Clubs are part of that. Clear?" You really don't understand how it works, it isn't discrimination at all. It's Women and Couples getting discounted, not men being charged more because they are men. It's one of the incentives to attract them. Would you rather be in a club full of guys at wanking over each other? Here's something to compare it with. Our main local Dogging hotspot rarely attracts couples and single women anymore due to the hords of guys that now attend. Now imagine that in clubs, so many would have to end up shutting down. | |||
" So essentially you've no vested interest in how clubs charge entries and it doesn't really affect you? Glad that's been cleared up. Because you sounded far from apathetic in your comments. A I have an opinion on the fact that I don’t think people should be treated differently for arbitrary reasons. Clubs are part of that. Clear? You really don't understand how it works, it isn't discrimination at all. It's Women and Couples getting discounted, not men being charged more because they are men. It's one of the incentives to attract them. Would you rather be in a club full of guys at wanking over each other? Here's something to compare it with. Our main local Dogging hotspot rarely attracts couples and single women anymore due to the hords of guys that now attend. Now imagine that in clubs, so many would have to end up shutting down. " Thanks for explaining it for me. Just to make sure I understand because I am a little slow: I guess if you were so inclined you could set the entry price at £1m and then discount all white people? That isn't discriminatory? | |||
" So essentially you've no vested interest in how clubs charge entries and it doesn't really affect you? Glad that's been cleared up. Because you sounded far from apathetic in your comments. A I have an opinion on the fact that I don’t think people should be treated differently for arbitrary reasons. Clubs are part of that. Clear? You really don't understand how it works, it isn't discrimination at all. It's Women and Couples getting discounted, not men being charged more because they are men. It's one of the incentives to attract them. Would you rather be in a club full of guys at wanking over each other? Here's something to compare it with. Our main local Dogging hotspot rarely attracts couples and single women anymore due to the hords of guys that now attend. Now imagine that in clubs, so many would have to end up shutting down. Thanks for explaining it for me. Just to make sure I understand because I am a little slow: I guess if you were so inclined you could set the entry price at £1m and then discount all white people? That isn't discriminatory?" Oh please  | |||
" So essentially you've no vested interest in how clubs charge entries and it doesn't really affect you? Glad that's been cleared up. Because you sounded far from apathetic in your comments. A I have an opinion on the fact that I don’t think people should be treated differently for arbitrary reasons. Clubs are part of that. Clear? You really don't understand how it works, it isn't discrimination at all. It's Women and Couples getting discounted, not men being charged more because they are men. It's one of the incentives to attract them. Would you rather be in a club full of guys at wanking over each other? Here's something to compare it with. Our main local Dogging hotspot rarely attracts couples and single women anymore due to the hords of guys that now attend. Now imagine that in clubs, so many would have to end up shutting down. Thanks for explaining it for me. Just to make sure I understand because I am a little slow: I guess if you were so inclined you could set the entry price at £1m and then discount all white people? That isn't discriminatory? Oh please "Like I said I am slow and I am just trying to work out why it isn't discriminatory. | |||
" So essentially you've no vested interest in how clubs charge entries and it doesn't really affect you? Glad that's been cleared up. Because you sounded far from apathetic in your comments. A I have an opinion on the fact that I don’t think people should be treated differently for arbitrary reasons. Clubs are part of that. Clear? You really don't understand how it works, it isn't discrimination at all. It's Women and Couples getting discounted, not men being charged more because they are men. It's one of the incentives to attract them. Would you rather be in a club full of guys at wanking over each other? Here's something to compare it with. Our main local Dogging hotspot rarely attracts couples and single women anymore due to the hords of guys that now attend. Now imagine that in clubs, so many would have to end up shutting down. Thanks for explaining it for me. Just to make sure I understand because I am a little slow: I guess if you were so inclined you could set the entry price at £1m and then discount all white people? That isn't discriminatory? Oh please
Like I said I am slow and I am just trying to work out why it isn't discriminatory."Feels kind of discriminatory to me | |||
" So essentially you've no vested interest in how clubs charge entries and it doesn't really affect you? Glad that's been cleared up. Because you sounded far from apathetic in your comments. A I have an opinion on the fact that I don’t think people should be treated differently for arbitrary reasons. Clubs are part of that. Clear? You really don't understand how it works, it isn't discrimination at all. It's Women and Couples getting discounted, not men being charged more because they are men. It's one of the incentives to attract them. Would you rather be in a club full of guys at wanking over each other? Here's something to compare it with. Our main local Dogging hotspot rarely attracts couples and single women anymore due to the hords of guys that now attend. Now imagine that in clubs, so many would have to end up shutting down. Thanks for explaining it for me. Just to make sure I understand because I am a little slow: I guess if you were so inclined you could set the entry price at £1m and then discount all white people? That isn't discriminatory? Oh please
Like I said I am slow and I am just trying to work out why it isn't discriminatory."You're clutching at straws now. Trying to compare racial discrimination en masse to legal positive actions in terms of gender specific pricing, aimed at increasing and maintaining attendance levels by people who would otherwise not attend.... Seriously desperate and surely, despite what you say you aren't that slow? A | |||
" So essentially you've no vested interest in how clubs charge entries and it doesn't really affect you? Glad that's been cleared up. Because you sounded far from apathetic in your comments. A I have an opinion on the fact that I don’t think people should be treated differently for arbitrary reasons. Clubs are part of that. Clear? You really don't understand how it works, it isn't discrimination at all. It's Women and Couples getting discounted, not men being charged more because they are men. It's one of the incentives to attract them. Would you rather be in a club full of guys at wanking over each other? Here's something to compare it with. Our main local Dogging hotspot rarely attracts couples and single women anymore due to the hords of guys that now attend. Now imagine that in clubs, so many would have to end up shutting down. Thanks for explaining it for me. Just to make sure I understand because I am a little slow: I guess if you were so inclined you could set the entry price at £1m and then discount all white people? That isn't discriminatory? Oh please
Like I said I am slow and I am just trying to work out why it isn't discriminatory.
You're clutching at straws now.
Trying to compare racial discrimination en masse to legal positive actions in terms of gender specific pricing, aimed at increasing and maintaining attendance levels by people who would otherwise not attend....
Seriously desperate and surely, despite what you say you aren't that slow?
A "_Really_ interesting that it doesn't take much of a change in emphasis to get people to suddenly throw their hands up in shock. I am thinking that people's original position is not as strong as they might wish it to be. Would be impressive if I could be called woke, snowflake and racist in the same thread  | |||
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"I note with interest the extreme cost differences single males, single females and couples at the majority of club events. Some rates are up to 10 times more for single males than females. Be fair!!" simple answer it's won't change easy stop going hopefully they will shut down without your money or they will have to start charging more to single ladies and couples which I don't think will go down well. | |||
"I prefer a single guy night but unfortunately can mainly only go out on a Saturday night and most clubs don’t allow single men on Saturdays Have you tred OP4F's Saturday night party? They let in only 5 single guys, also selected one (I mean those who are known for following tbe etiquette not being a pest). As a single man, I think that's the best option, when a few guys are allowed but not too many. I just also tried Penthouse Playrooms, last Saturday single men could attend, but the ratio was still good, and it was an amazing party! I know, some of their Saturdays are couples only but let in solo man twice month. I can recommend that for you too!
I personally do not think allowing 5 single guys in would attract me to a club night. I am picky as I have every right to be so I can probably say for certain that chances are I wouldn’t be attracted to any of them
I like choice and don’t play just because there’s limited choice lol "Lack of choice and/or attraction, is the main reason after 16 visits to various clubs as a solo guy, I have only had sex with two women. As a (female) friend once said to me; "Better no play in a club, than regretting fucking a minger...." | |||
"I prefer a single guy night but unfortunately can mainly only go out on a Saturday night and most clubs don’t allow single men on Saturdays Have you tred OP4F's Saturday night party? They let in only 5 single guys, also selected one (I mean those who are known for following tbe etiquette not being a pest). As a single man, I think that's the best option, when a few guys are allowed but not too many. I just also tried Penthouse Playrooms, last Saturday single men could attend, but the ratio was still good, and it was an amazing party! I know, some of their Saturdays are couples only but let in solo man twice month. I can recommend that for you too!
I personally do not think allowing 5 single guys in would attract me to a club night. I am picky as I have every right to be so I can probably say for certain that chances are I wouldn’t be attracted to any of them
I like choice and don’t play just because there’s limited choice lol
Lack of choice and/or attraction, is the main reason after 16 visits to various clubs as a solo guy, I have only had sex with two women.
As a (female) friend once said to me; "Better no play in a club, than regretting fucking a minger...." "Agreed but then I love the social side of clubs with the potential to meet future play friends rather than necessarily playing that very night | |||
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" So essentially you've no vested interest in how clubs charge entries and it doesn't really affect you? Glad that's been cleared up. Because you sounded far from apathetic in your comments. A I have an opinion on the fact that I don’t think people should be treated differently for arbitrary reasons. Clubs are part of that. Clear? You really don't understand how it works, it isn't discrimination at all. It's Women and Couples getting discounted, not men being charged more because they are men. It's one of the incentives to attract them. Would you rather be in a club full of guys at wanking over each other? Here's something to compare it with. Our main local Dogging hotspot rarely attracts couples and single women anymore due to the hords of guys that now attend. Now imagine that in clubs, so many would have to end up shutting down. Thanks for explaining it for me. Just to make sure I understand because I am a little slow: I guess if you were so inclined you could set the entry price at £1m and then discount all white people? That isn't discriminatory?" Yep, your a lost caused. | |||
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"I personally think there are various elements to this and the issue can be attributed to (mainly) men but also the clubs. I understand the need to correctly apportion a balanced demographic in clubs, and the charging system many of them use creates issues with men being overcharged. However, I've been to clubs in the past where the system is fairer and you have to register to attend and they allow only appropriate men and appropriate numbers of them to attend. I think the issue with Clubs that charge big fees for guys and no fees for single women is that it creates a sense of entitlement to those men. They've paid a premium for the "chance" to get lucky. This unfortunately leads to experiences previous set out by women and couples on this post, of guys seeing it as their "right" to "have a go". This is patently wrong and that is purely the fault and guilt of those men. But I think Clubs can do more to make it clear to men that they're not buying a lottery ticket to get lucky. Anyway, men are dicks. We all know that. But Clubs should do more to stop giving guys the opportunity to be dicks or feel like they can be dicks." You can't control who's a dick and who isn't. Pricing doesn't prevent it. There are plenty of rich arseholes who have a sense of entitlement, ego and overblown self importance in everyday life, let alone the club environment. And they're not always men either.
Limiting numbers works if a club is pre-pay and pre-book only as that's the only way to balance genders - but most clubs don't operate that way. Club members are entitled to turn up at the door assuming max capacity (rare) isn't exceeded. So you wouldn't be able to set a cap on male numbers as you wouldn't know how many couples and single women are attending.
Most clubs don't charge anything like the 'ten times' fee for men over women/couples stated in the OP. In some it's not even double. In most it's probably less than many would spend on an ordinary night out at a pub/club.
In an ideal world all would be equal, there'd be more couples and single women attending clubs and the men that went would be polite, courteous and have no sense of expectation. The reality is different. And while that's the case the pricing structure is unlikely to ever change.
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"I personally think there are various elements to this and the issue can be attributed to (mainly) men but also the clubs. I understand the need to correctly apportion a balanced demographic in clubs, and the charging system many of them use creates issues with men being overcharged. However, I've been to clubs in the past where the system is fairer and you have to register to attend and they allow only appropriate men and appropriate numbers of them to attend. I think the issue with Clubs that charge big fees for guys and no fees for single women is that it creates a sense of entitlement to those men. They've paid a premium for the "chance" to get lucky. This unfortunately leads to experiences previous set out by women and couples on this post, of guys seeing it as their "right" to "have a go". This is patently wrong and that is purely the fault and guilt of those men. But I think Clubs can do more to make it clear to men that they're not buying a lottery ticket to get lucky. Anyway, men are dicks. We all know that. But Clubs should do more to stop giving guys the opportunity to be dicks or feel like they can be dicks. You can't control who's a dick and who isn't. Pricing doesn't prevent it. There are plenty of rich arseholes who have a sense of entitlement, ego and overblown self importance in everyday life, let alone the club environment. And they're not always men either.
Limiting numbers works if a club is pre-pay and pre-book only as that's the only way to balance genders - but most clubs don't operate that way. Club members are entitled to turn up at the door assuming max capacity (rare) isn't exceeded. So you wouldn't be able to set a cap on male numbers as you wouldn't know how many couples and single women are attending.
Most clubs don't charge anything like the 'ten times' fee for men over women/couples stated in the OP. In some it's not even double. In most it's probably less than many would spend on an ordinary night out at a pub/club.
In an ideal world all would be equal, there'd be more couples and single women attending clubs and the men that went would be polite, courteous and have no sense of expectation. The reality is different. And while that's the case the pricing structure is unlikely to ever change.
A "I totally agree with that. I've been to Clubs as a single male and as part of a couple and seen both sides of it. There's no perfect answer to it but I think both men and the club's need to look at their responsibility and how their actions can impact on others attending. | |||
"Oh this old debate again. " Yes it’s boring. | |||
"Oh this old debate again. Yes it’s boring. " Phew, thanks | |||
" Be careful what you wish for as it generally won't end the way you hope. A Personally I would rather have a society based on equality - if clubs went by the wayside then I would happily make that trade off." It sounds like you're so blinkered by your sense of social justice your sense of common has left the room. It's been clearly explained why there are sound business reasons why there's not price point parity. It's nothing to do with equality, and definitely nothing to do with hypocrisy and everything to do with customer satisfaction and keeping a business afloat. That you can't see it doesn't make it wrong. Winston | |||
" Be careful what you wish for as it generally won't end the way you hope. A Personally I would rather have a society based on equality - if clubs went by the wayside then I would happily make that trade off. It sounds like you're so blinkered by your sense of social justice your sense of common has left the room. It's been clearly explained why there are sound business reasons why there's not price point parity. It's nothing to do with equality, and definitely nothing to do with hypocrisy and everything to do with customer satisfaction and keeping a business afloat. That you can't see it doesn't make it wrong. Winston " I can empathise with your position. I am somewhat struggling to see where you would draw the line just because it is “business”. I replaced the source of the discrimination earlier in the thread and everyone instantly erupted. Interesting that some sources of discrimination make you a social pariah and others mean that I lack common sense. | |||
"I prefer a single guy night but unfortunately can mainly only go out on a Saturday night and most clubs don’t allow single men on Saturdays Have you tred OP4F's Saturday night party? They let in only 5 single guys, also selected one (I mean those who are known for following tbe etiquette not being a pest). As a single man, I think that's the best option, when a few guys are allowed but not too many. I just also tried Penthouse Playrooms, last Saturday single men could attend, but the ratio was still good, and it was an amazing party! I know, some of their Saturdays are couples only but let in solo man twice month. I can recommend that for you too!
I personally do not think allowing 5 single guys in would attract me to a club night. I am picky as I have every right to be so I can probably say for certain that chances are I wouldn’t be attracted to any of them
I like choice and don’t play just because there’s limited choice lol
Lack of choice and/or attraction, is the main reason after 16 visits to various clubs as a solo guy, I have only had sex with two women.
As a (female) friend once said to me; "Better no play in a club, than regretting fucking a minger...."
Agreed but then I love the social side of clubs with the potential to meet future play friends rather than necessarily playing that very night "I don’t have a club on my doorstep though, it’s a 1 hour 40 minute drive to my nearest. With the cost of travel, time there and back, the usual lukewarm reception for being a solo guy, I just find it much easier and less stressful using Fab to find genuine people to have fun with, and closer to home. If going to a club was only a 10 minute drive, I would go and hang out socially, but it’s just too much palaver for me | |||
" Be careful what you wish for as it generally won't end the way you hope. A Personally I would rather have a society based on equality - if clubs went by the wayside then I would happily make that trade off. It sounds like you're so blinkered by your sense of social justice your sense of common has left the room. It's been clearly explained why there are sound business reasons why there's not price point parity. It's nothing to do with equality, and definitely nothing to do with hypocrisy and everything to do with customer satisfaction and keeping a business afloat. That you can't see it doesn't make it wrong. Winston I can empathise with your position. I am somewhat struggling to see where you would draw the line just because it is “business”. I replaced the source of the discrimination earlier in the thread and everyone instantly erupted. Interesting that some sources of discrimination make you a social pariah and others mean that I lack common sense." It's not discrimination. Ergo....... Winston | |||
" Be careful what you wish for as it generally won't end the way you hope. A Personally I would rather have a society based on equality - if clubs went by the wayside then I would happily make that trade off. It sounds like you're so blinkered by your sense of social justice your sense of common has left the room. It's been clearly explained why there are sound business reasons why there's not price point parity. It's nothing to do with equality, and definitely nothing to do with hypocrisy and everything to do with customer satisfaction and keeping a business afloat. That you can't see it doesn't make it wrong. Winston I can empathise with your position. I am somewhat struggling to see where you would draw the line just because it is “business”. I replaced the source of the discrimination earlier in the thread and everyone instantly erupted. Interesting that some sources of discrimination make you a social pariah and others mean that I lack common sense. It's not discrimination. Ergo....... Winston" I always respect an argument that just nullifies the question. | |||
"I prefer a single guy night but unfortunately can mainly only go out on a Saturday night and most clubs don’t allow single men on Saturdays " Well Eureka has single guys on a Saturday night. For sure they pay a little bit more and there's no BYOB but I can't imagine that you ever have to buy your own drinks. Prosecco at £15 a bottle! If a single guy looks worried about spending that on you I'm guessing he won't be dropping you home in the morning in his Maseratti | |||
" So essentially you've no vested interest in how clubs charge entries and it doesn't really affect you? Glad that's been cleared up. Because you sounded far from apathetic in your comments. A I have an opinion on the fact that I don’t think people should be treated differently for arbitrary reasons. Clubs are part of that. Clear? You really don't understand how it works, it isn't discrimination at all. It's Women and Couples getting discounted, not men being charged more because they are men. It's one of the incentives to attract them. Would you rather be in a club full of guys at wanking over each other? Here's something to compare it with. Our main local Dogging hotspot rarely attracts couples and single women anymore due to the hords of guys that now attend. Now imagine that in clubs, so many would have to end up shutting down. Thanks for explaining it for me. Just to make sure I understand because I am a little slow: I guess if you were so inclined you could set the entry price at £1m and then discount all white people? That isn't discriminatory? Oh please
Like I said I am slow and I am just trying to work out why it isn't discriminatory.
Feels kind of discriminatory to me "I’ll give it a shot…. But it’s going to need a change in mindset… then I’ll make my main point
What is the purpose behind the pricing structures …. Is it to keep people out! Not really… the pricing doesn’t keep you out of clubs, all it does is keep you from going as much as you would like! (Heck I can afford to go because I save in other areas!)
Or… is the pricing structure there to encourage people who maybe wouldn’t go to go… and in doing that it may encourage others… as someone else said, if couples and single women aren’t going, then how many single guys are going!
Change of mindset…….. now my main point
As a single bloke I am not begrudging other people if they pay less than me!! That is not the comparison I am looking to… the comparison I am looking at is what I would be spending if I was doing something else at the same time…
I probably spent less in a club than I would overall as an equivalent going out on the lash in a city centre on a weekend night!
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"I hate being a single man its the worst thing in the world. I agree with a poster who says theres just too many men about thats why i stopped going ad its a waste of time and makes us all look despetate, even if i go to a bar and its a sausage fest i will walk out as its impossible to try to meet someone with sausage all over. Sad fact is women are not interested in the NSA scene and its proved by the lack of women on fab and in clubs." I'll agree with you there's hardly ever any women in the clubs, but I've met plenty of women through Fab over the years, who are looking for no strings fun, and continue to do so......I daren't tell you how many I have planned for next week lol | |||
"I note with interest the extreme cost differences single males, single females and couples at the majority of club events. Some rates are up to 10 times more for single males than females. Be fair!! When it really matters, I totally support equal human rights. But those who interpret completely wrongly the principle of equality and try to push through this "we are all the same so don't differentiate at all" agenda (should I say "woke culture"...), are just about to destroy everything they touch. Thank God, the nature of business and market rules will be stronger, but still... Please do not try to demolish the club scene with this terrible idea of the same entry fee! Otherwise, clubs will become the IRL version of this website, where the male/female ratio will be 20-1... I visit clubs as a single man, and I'm not rich by any means, but I rather choose an event where the ticket costs £60-£100 for me if in return I can get access to a good party with a healthy gender ratio and not a bloody sausage fest. If the venue is nice and clean, the clientele is friendly and sexy, then I'm happy to spend that money. I might not go every weekend, but I know that when I go, I will have a good time! And why should that hurt me, if couples and girls get way cheaper tickets for the same party? Anyway, girls spend a fortune on beauticians, hairdressers, makeup and dresses, while I cut my hair myself, take a shower, a clean shirt and a pair of trousers and am ready to go. I'm not even sure that in the end, I spent more on that night or the girls!" Equalizing the entry fee will not unbalance the ratio of men to women, as most clubs have a set ratio they will let in, rather than let it flood with men. In the long run a quite well balanced night is better for the club than a sausage fest. However (this is all supposition) if they did drop men's entry to that of a woman's, the club would go bust, so we are more likely to see the woman's price rise. This would see a fall off in the number of women going to the clubs and so a reduced amount of men allowed to keep a good ratio. I'm guessing to financially balance that, the few women that go would end up having to pay the same as men do currently. So in the end we'd be paying the same as we do now, to go to a club with less people attending. That'd be a bit crap. What I'd like to see, is more clubs having memberships that actually cater for people wanting to visit on their own, or with different partners without having to buy membership for each combination. After all we are swingers, we don't all stick with just one partner. Luckily some clubs like Atlantis Evolution, do just have a flat membership fee, but alter the entry based on who you turn up with. | |||
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"I wouldn't want to be thought of as a potential creep or to be judged because I have turned up alone to a club, and some of the comments regarding single men I have seen on many threads on fab, has put me off attending. also to have a difference in price of entry based on gender is discrimination, but as I do not attend it has no effect on me. there's a law suit out there I am sure." Nope it's not discrimination at all. It's been explained several times on this thread in various different ways. | |||
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"It feels like shite because it negatively impacts on you. It hurts because it’s costing you more…. However, consider this (and bear with me). Convince a random person from a website to go with you and offer to pick them up and drop them home; petrol. Do this so you can save £15 by going as a couple. I’m sure there are some, yet not many speak of splitting the cost of the entrance fee. BYOB - not many clubs have a licensed bar. In most circumstances the man would buy the drink they like and probably the preferred drink of your companion. I have noticed that when ladies attend their bottle of Prosecco is usually theirs whilst the man will have something else separate to this. Accommodation - At times you may travel further afield and need to stay over somewhere close to the club you’ve visited. Who pays for this? So pay £50 entry. Drink soft drinks (usually free). Have as much fun as possible and safely drive yourself home. Including petrol maybe an additional £20. Seventy notes all in ain’t bad for a night out when you look at it that way. Or just get down to the local Dog & Duck and bang the barmaid! " . Some good interesting points from a personal perspective I would not feel comfortable suggesting to a lady to attend a club as a couple and to pay half the entrance fee especially as I know she can get in for free or £10 tops as a single lady. | |||
"It feels like shite because it negatively impacts on you. It hurts because it’s costing you more…. However, consider this (and bear with me). Convince a random person from a website to go with you and offer to pick them up and drop them home; petrol. Do this so you can save £15 by going as a couple. I’m sure there are some, yet not many speak of splitting the cost of the entrance fee. BYOB - not many clubs have a licensed bar. In most circumstances the man would buy the drink they like and probably the preferred drink of your companion. I have noticed that when ladies attend their bottle of Prosecco is usually theirs whilst the man will have something else separate to this. Accommodation - At times you may travel further afield and need to stay over somewhere close to the club you’ve visited. Who pays for this? So pay £50 entry. Drink soft drinks (usually free). Have as much fun as possible and safely drive yourself home. Including petrol maybe an additional £20. Seventy notes all in ain’t bad for a night out when you look at it that way. Or just get down to the local Dog & Duck and bang the barmaid! . Some good interesting points from a personal perspective I would not feel comfortable suggesting to a lady to attend a club as a couple and to pay half the entrance fee especially as I know she can get in for free or £10 tops as a single lady." Then I recommend Julie from behind the bar at the Nags Head!!!! | |||
"I wouldn't want to be thought of as a potential creep or to be judged because I have turned up alone to a club, and some of the comments regarding single men I have seen on many threads on fab, has put me off attending. also to have a difference in price of entry based on gender is discrimination, but as I do not attend it has no effect on me. there's a law suit out there I am sure. Nope it's not discrimination at all. It's been explained several times on this thread in various different ways. " I have read the whole thread, and it is discriminatory based on gender, please feel free to look it up. | |||
"It feels like shite because it negatively impacts on you. It hurts because it’s costing you more…. However, consider this (and bear with me). Convince a random person from a website to go with you and offer to pick them up and drop them home; petrol. Do this so you can save £15 by going as a couple. I’m sure there are some, yet not many speak of splitting the cost of the entrance fee. BYOB - not many clubs have a licensed bar. In most circumstances the man would buy the drink they like and probably the preferred drink of your companion. I have noticed that when ladies attend their bottle of Prosecco is usually theirs whilst the man will have something else separate to this. Accommodation - At times you may travel further afield and need to stay over somewhere close to the club you’ve visited. Who pays for this? So pay £50 entry. Drink soft drinks (usually free). Have as much fun as possible and safely drive yourself home. Including petrol maybe an additional £20. Seventy notes all in ain’t bad for a night out when you look at it that way. Or just get down to the local Dog & Duck and bang the barmaid! . Some good interesting points from a personal perspective I would not feel comfortable suggesting to a lady to attend a club as a couple and to pay half the entrance fee especially as I know she can get in for free or £10 tops as a single lady. Then I recommend Julie from behind the bar at the Nags Head!!!!" . No I leave Julie from the Nags Head to get on with her job.I carry on paying my £50 entrance fee at OP4F on a Friday night with the intention of having a good night at the end of my working week and if I have a bit of adult fun then it’s a bonus no expectations no disappointments. | |||
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"I wouldn't want to be thought of as a potential creep or to be judged because I have turned up alone to a club, and some of the comments regarding single men I have seen on many threads on fab, has put me off attending. also to have a difference in price of entry based on gender is discrimination, but as I do not attend it has no effect on me. there's a law suit out there I am sure. Nope it's not discrimination at all. It's been explained several times on this thread in various different ways. I have read the whole thread, and it is discriminatory based on gender, please feel free to look it up." Again..... It's not. It's perfectly legal. Private members clubs are able to charge different rates to specific groups (in the case women) in order to encourage minority groups to attend that would otherwise not. From the Equality Act guidelines. "However, conduct which would on the face of it amount to direct discrimination is permitted if the conduct amounts to a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim." In the case of differential pricing the legitimate aim is balanced attendance by all genders. Feel free to try taking a club to court using the act. One of two things would happen. You'd most likely lose (given the guidance above. Alternatively you'd win, clubs would have to charge the same to single men and women, and as a result clubs would be forever more imbalanced, even fewer women would attend, more men would go, and clubs would either close due to lack of business or simply become couples only clubs. Not exactly a win for single men. A | |||
"I wouldn't want to be thought of as a potential creep or to be judged because I have turned up alone to a club, and some of the comments regarding single men I have seen on many threads on fab, has put me off attending. also to have a difference in price of entry based on gender is discrimination, but as I do not attend it has no effect on me. there's a law suit out there I am sure. Nope it's not discrimination at all. It's been explained several times on this thread in various different ways. I have read the whole thread, and it is discriminatory based on gender, please feel free to look it up." OK, so is kids getting into the cinema or theme parks cheaper age based discrimination? No, if it were something would have been done about it by now (especially in lawsuit happy American). It's the same here. Just because you don't quite understand the subtle difference, doesn't mean it is discrimination. | |||
" Just to make sure I understand because I am a little slow: I guess if you were so inclined you could set the entry price at £1m and then discount all white people? That isn't discriminatory?" This analogy simply doesn't make any sense between genders and skin colours in this case. Because unless everyone who attends the party is bisexual, the gender ratio matters a lot for the quality of the event. Assuming that 90% of attending men are straight, a party simply can't be good if there are 100 men and 5 women around. But if the gender ratio is around 50-50%, then it doesn't matter at all, if the black/white/Asian ratio is 33-33-34, 98-1-1, 1-98-1, or 1-1-98. The event still can be great for everyone. But you know, what? Let's go one step further if you already mentioned skin colours. There are black men's fan club parties promoted here. I would be surely allowed if I want to buy a ticket, but the name of the party suggests that I won't be the most wanted person around. So I rather choose another event. Does it make me feel bad or discriminated against? Not at all. If I would not be welcome to travel on a bus or eat in a restaurant coz of my colour that would be discrimination and I would be upset. But this is a completely different case. Swinger clubs are very special places where all of us are "customers" and "products" or "goods" at the same time. And those are the good parties that can attract a crowd where the sexual taste of the attending people matches as much as possible. Trying to reach the right gender ratio is the very basics of a good party, then comes the rest! And ANY policy (pricing, number limits, ANYTHING) that takes the event closer to that goal is right. Because we are all entitled to have sexual tastes and preferences. The fact that I'm sexually not attracted to heavily overweighted women, or to women who are 20+ years older than me, doesn't make me a "body shamer" or disrespectful to the elderly. But a party where the crowd is built from 60-70 years old chubby ladies, is definitely not the one that I'm looking for if I want to go for a swinger party. And yes, the same can apply even to skin colour too. Many profiles say here on fab that only black/white. Does it make these people racist? Not at all. That is the sexual preference that attracts them and they are being honest about it. I also know about myself that Indian women attract me particularly, so I mention it in my profile. For me, it's not "only Indians", I like women of all colour, but usually, I found Asians the most beautiful. Does it make me racist? No way! If in a parallel universe, for any reason, black men would be rarely found "unicorns" in clubs (like single women are rarely found), and the club owners would offer half price for black men to "cater" the clear demand from the ladies, I, as a white man would not feel offended at all. Please, don't try to see discrimination and problem where there is no such thing. We are not the same, we are different in many ways. Men, women, skinny, curvy, black, white, brown. But in a healthy community and atmosphere, this is not a problem. Contrary, this is the beauty of it! The reason, why I "called" you woke earlier, coz this is the most typical woke behaviour: calling out people/businesses for discrimination when they simply do what common sense and the mutual interest of ALL participating parties say. | |||
"I wouldn't want to be thought of as a potential creep or to be judged because I have turned up alone to a club, and some of the comments regarding single men I have seen on many threads on fab, has put me off attending. also to have a difference in price of entry based on gender is discrimination, but as I do not attend it has no effect on me. there's a law suit out there I am sure." Your probably right. Given how many clubs out there who "discriminate" and how many years they've been "discriminating", and how so many people have been "discriminated" against, you'd have thought a law suit would have happened by now. Unless of course...........its not discrimination. Winston | |||
"I prefer a single guy night but unfortunately can mainly only go out on a Saturday night and most clubs don’t allow single men on Saturdays Well Eureka has single guys on a Saturday night. For sure they pay a little bit more and there's no BYOB but I can't imagine that you ever have to buy your own drinks. Prosecco at £15 a bottle! If a single guy looks worried about spending that on you I'm guessing he won't be dropping you home in the morning in his Maseratti " I USED to go Eureka because they allowed single guys on a Saturday - was the best place to go As for the club now ? I don’t mind a paid bar at clubs if the club and clientele is high standard which from the forums and reviews (that they’ve taken themselves off now) it’s failing on both counts Just for the record tho - I don’t want a man to buy my drinks thank you let alone be some prick with a car to make up for the size of his manhood. | |||
"Most clubs are overrun with single males regardless of their enhanced entry fee. Their predatory nature puts many single women off going. We are groped, followed around and harassed. So one resentful male won't make much difference. " Why dont you report this sexual harassment to the police?  | |||
"I wouldn't want to be thought of as a potential creep or to be judged because I have turned up alone to a club, and some of the comments regarding single men I have seen on many threads on fab, has put me off attending. also to have a difference in price of entry based on gender is discrimination, but as I do not attend it has no effect on me. there's a law suit out there I am sure. Nope it's not discrimination at all. It's been explained several times on this thread in various different ways. I have read the whole thread, and it is discriminatory based on gender, please feel free to look it up. Again..... It's not. It's perfectly legal. Private members clubs are able to charge different rates to specific groups (in the case women) in order to encourage minority groups to attend that would otherwise not. From the Equality Act guidelines. "However, conduct which would on the face of it amount to direct discrimination is permitted if the conduct amounts to a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim." In the case of differential pricing the legitimate aim is balanced attendance by all genders. Feel free to try taking a club to court using the act. One of two things would happen. You'd most likely lose (given the guidance above. Alternatively you'd win, clubs would have to charge the same to single men and women, and as a result clubs would be forever more imbalanced, even fewer women would attend, more men would go, and clubs would either close due to lack of business or simply become couples only clubs. Not exactly a win for single men. A " You state the law and business situation well. Let’s be honest, most single men moan on here as they are to mean to pay a reasonable entrance fee and expect women to drop their knickers for them on sight without making any effort. It’s no wonder, lots of men on here complain about getting g no sex! | |||
"I wouldn't want to be thought of as a potential creep or to be judged because I have turned up alone to a club, and some of the comments regarding single men I have seen on many threads on fab, has put me off attending. also to have a difference in price of entry based on gender is discrimination, but as I do not attend it has no effect on me. there's a law suit out there I am sure. Nope it's not discrimination at all. It's been explained several times on this thread in various different ways. I have read the whole thread, and it is discriminatory based on gender, please feel free to look it up. Again..... It's not. It's perfectly legal. Private members clubs are able to charge different rates to specific groups (in the case women) in order to encourage minority groups to attend that would otherwise not. From the Equality Act guidelines. "However, conduct which would on the face of it amount to direct discrimination is permitted if the conduct amounts to a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim." In the case of differential pricing the legitimate aim is balanced attendance by all genders. Feel free to try taking a club to court using the act. One of two things would happen. You'd most likely lose (given the guidance above. Alternatively you'd win, clubs would have to charge the same to single men and women, and as a result clubs would be forever more imbalanced, even fewer women would attend, more men would go, and clubs would either close due to lack of business or simply become couples only clubs. Not exactly a win for single men. A You state the law and business situation well. Let’s be honest, most single men moan on here as they are to mean to pay a reasonable entrance fee and expect women to drop their knickers for them on sight without making any effort. It’s no wonder, lots of men on here complain about getting g no sex! " I suspect setting the price point for men is a challenge. Too low and the club is full of men. Too high and there are too few men, or men who think they paid a lot of money which entitles them to sex. I've attended lots of clubs over the years and I've never felt discriminated against. Winston | |||
" Again..... It's not. It's perfectly legal. Private members clubs are able to charge different rates to specific groups (in the case women) in order to encourage minority groups to attend that would otherwise not. From the Equality Act guidelines. "However, conduct which would on the face of it amount to direct discrimination is permitted if the conduct amounts to a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim." In the case of differential pricing the legitimate aim is balanced attendance by all genders. Feel free to try taking a club to court using the act. One of two things would happen. You'd most likely lose (given the guidance above. Alternatively you'd win, clubs would have to charge the same to single men and women, and as a result clubs would be forever more imbalanced, even fewer women would attend, more men would go, and clubs would either close due to lack of business or simply become couples only clubs. Not exactly a win for single men. A " So I 100% agree with what you have written and actually wrote the same in my initial comment: “Private clubs can discriminate based on the sex of their members. It is not illegal although it would likely cause an outrage if it were the other way round and you can see many private clubs that had male only entry policies have been shamed into opening upto women.” You then questioned my observation that it was hypocritical to have a policy for one protected characteristic but to be happy with another. I stand by my hypocrisy comment. To be called woke and be implied I am racist for pointing out that some protected characteristics can be exploited for business but others cause outage is highly amusing. I get why clubs discriminate. But let’s at least be honest about the fact that is what they are doing. | |||
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"Next time we get on a bus or train I'm going to accuse them of discrimination because we have to pay more than Pensioners and Children.....outrageous! Another reason that hasn't been mentioned that might factor into it is that the entry fee might encourage them to behave better as they won't want to be kicked out after paying so much to get in. One of our local clubs started letting in single guys for free after a certain time and it did a lot of damage to it's reputation because of their behaviour as the guys had little to lose." Can imagine the type of lads you’ll get in a swingers club if you let them in for free/cheap - especially if they’ve been done the pub beforehand! They’ll have absolutely no etiquette at all. | |||
"I wouldn't want to be thought of as a potential creep or to be judged because I have turned up alone to a club, and some of the comments regarding single men I have seen on many threads on fab, has put me off attending. also to have a difference in price of entry based on gender is discrimination, but as I do not attend it has no effect on me. there's a law suit out there I am sure. Nope it's not discrimination at all. It's been explained several times on this thread in various different ways. I have read the whole thread, and it is discriminatory based on gender, please feel free to look it up. Again..... It's not. It's perfectly legal. Private members clubs are able to charge different rates to specific groups (in the case women) in order to encourage minority groups to attend that would otherwise not. From the Equality Act guidelines. "However, conduct which would on the face of it amount to direct discrimination is permitted if the conduct amounts to a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim." In the case of differential pricing the legitimate aim is balanced attendance by all genders. Feel free to try taking a club to court using the act. One of two things would happen. You'd most likely lose (given the guidance above. Alternatively you'd win, clubs would have to charge the same to single men and women, and as a result clubs would be forever more imbalanced, even fewer women would attend, more men would go, and clubs would either close due to lack of business or simply become couples only clubs. Not exactly a win for single men. A " Thank you for your reply, honestly I never thought of swinging clubs as private, and through your explanation I now realise they are thus they can charge or let in who they want. I do not go to clubs or ever will as I don't want to be stereotyped as a creep by others as I have read some comments regarding single men in clubs. thanks. | |||
"Next time we get on a bus or train I'm going to accuse them of discrimination because we have to pay more than Pensioners and Children.....outrageous! Another reason that hasn't been mentioned that might factor into it is that the entry fee might encourage them to behave better as they won't want to be kicked out after paying so much to get in. One of our local clubs started letting in single guys for free after a certain time and it did a lot of damage to it's reputation because of their behaviour as the guys had little to lose. Can imagine the type of lads you’ll get in a swingers club if you let them in for free/cheap - especially if they’ve been done the pub beforehand! They’ll have absolutely no etiquette at all. " | |||
" I do not go to clubs or ever will as I don't want to be stereotyped as a creep by others as I have read some comments regarding single men in clubs. thanks." Some Couples and single ladies go to clubs In the hope to meet single guys so as long as you don’t act like a creep no judgment shall be passed | |||
" I do not go to clubs or ever will as I don't want to be stereotyped as a creep by others as I have read some comments regarding single men in clubs. thanks. Some Couples and single ladies go to clubs In the hope to meet single guys so as long as you don’t act like a creep no judgment shall be passed " Well they will not meet me as I will not be there. my choice has nothing to do with price, sex, colour, it is about the comments and judgements I have read on here regarding single men in clubs, why would I want to be thought of in such a way, when I am not that way. I once read a thread referring to single men as pond life and single men where at the bottom of the pond. how lovely | |||
" I do not go to clubs or ever will as I don't want to be stereotyped as a creep by others as I have read some comments regarding single men in clubs. thanks. Some Couples and single ladies go to clubs In the hope to meet single guys so as long as you don’t act like a creep no judgment shall be passed Well they will not meet me as I will not be there. my choice has nothing to do with price, sex, colour, it is about the comments and judgements I have read on here regarding single men in clubs, why would I want to be thought of in such a way, when I am not that way. I once read a thread referring to single men as pond life and single men where at the bottom of the pond. how lovely " | |||
" I do not go to clubs or ever will as I don't want to be stereotyped as a creep by others as I have read some comments regarding single men in clubs. thanks. Some Couples and single ladies go to clubs In the hope to meet single guys so as long as you don’t act like a creep no judgment shall be passed Well they will not meet me as I will not be there. my choice has nothing to do with price, sex, colour, it is about the comments and judgements I have read on here regarding single men in clubs, why would I want to be thought of in such a way, when I am not that way. I once read a thread referring to single men as pond life and single men where at the bottom of the pond. how lovely " You realise some people think that way about single guys on the site too, yet you haven't left. Most clubs and most people I've met in them have been really welcoming of well behaved men. Don't let the comments of a few horrible people ruin your potential fun. | |||
" Some Couples and single ladies go to clubs In the hope to meet single guys so as long as you don’t act like a creep no judgment shall be passed " Single ladies going to clubs…….what a great idea! Wonder if it’ll catch on………? | |||
" Some Couples and single ladies go to clubs In the hope to meet single guys so as long as you don’t act like a creep no judgment shall be passed Single ladies going to clubs…….what a great idea! Wonder if it’ll catch on………? "It has where we go | |||
"I wouldn't want to be thought of as a potential creep or to be judged because I have turned up alone to a club, and some of the comments regarding single men I have seen on many threads on fab, has put me off attending. also to have a difference in price of entry based on gender is discrimination, but as I do not attend it has no effect on me. there's a law suit out there I am sure. Nope it's not discrimination at all. It's been explained several times on this thread in various different ways. I have read the whole thread, and it is discriminatory based on gender, please feel free to look it up. Again..... It's not. It's perfectly legal. Private members clubs are able to charge different rates to specific groups (in the case women) in order to encourage minority groups to attend that would otherwise not. From the Equality Act guidelines. "However, conduct which would on the face of it amount to direct discrimination is permitted if the conduct amounts to a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim." In the case of differential pricing the legitimate aim is balanced attendance by all genders. Feel free to try taking a club to court using the act. One of two things would happen. You'd most likely lose (given the guidance above. Alternatively you'd win, clubs would have to charge the same to single men and women, and as a result clubs would be forever more imbalanced, even fewer women would attend, more men would go, and clubs would either close due to lack of business or simply become couples only clubs. Not exactly a win for single men. A Thank you for your reply, honestly I never thought of swinging clubs as private, and through your explanation I now realise they are thus they can charge or let in who they want. I do not go to clubs or ever will as I don't want to be stereotyped as a creep by others as I have read some comments regarding single men in clubs. thanks." Assuming you know how to conduct yourself respectfully, there's no reason why you'd be lumped into a negative category. Yes, there's threads where the behaviour of some men are castigated. There's as many mentioning how respectful many men are. You get to choose how you're viewed, no one else. Your behaviour determines perceptions of you. Winston | |||
"Most clubs are overrun with single males regardless of their enhanced entry fee. Their predatory nature puts many single women off going. We are groped, followed around and harassed. So one resentful male won't make much difference. Why dont you report this sexual harassment to the police? "I can take care of myself. | |||
" Some Couples and single ladies go to clubs In the hope to meet single guys so as long as you don’t act like a creep no judgment shall be passed Single ladies going to clubs…….what a great idea! Wonder if it’ll catch on………? "I've met plenty of single women in Chams and I've been reliably informed that there are as many single women as men on Jaydees guest list tonight. It does happen, you just need to find the right clubs and the right nights. | |||
"I wouldn't want to be thought of as a potential creep or to be judged because I have turned up alone to a club, and some of the comments regarding single men I have seen on many threads on fab, has put me off attending. also to have a difference in price of entry based on gender is discrimination, but as I do not attend it has no effect on me. there's a law suit out there I am sure. Nope it's not discrimination at all. It's been explained several times on this thread in various different ways. I have read the whole thread, and it is discriminatory based on gender, please feel free to look it up. Again..... It's not. It's perfectly legal. Private members clubs are able to charge different rates to specific groups (in the case women) in order to encourage minority groups to attend that would otherwise not. From the Equality Act guidelines. "However, conduct which would on the face of it amount to direct discrimination is permitted if the conduct amounts to a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim." In the case of differential pricing the legitimate aim is balanced attendance by all genders. Feel free to try taking a club to court using the act. One of two things would happen. You'd most likely lose (given the guidance above. Alternatively you'd win, clubs would have to charge the same to single men and women, and as a result clubs would be forever more imbalanced, even fewer women would attend, more men would go, and clubs would either close due to lack of business or simply become couples only clubs. Not exactly a win for single men. A Thank you for your reply, honestly I never thought of swinging clubs as private, and through your explanation I now realise they are thus they can charge or let in who they want. I do not go to clubs or ever will as I don't want to be stereotyped as a creep by others as I have read some comments regarding single men in clubs. thanks." You'd wouldn't be deemed a creep if you don't act like one. Stick to club etiquette and you'll be fine. | |||
"I wouldn't want to be thought of as a potential creep or to be judged because I have turned up alone to a club, and some of the comments regarding single men I have seen on many threads on fab, has put me off attending. also to have a difference in price of entry based on gender is discrimination, but as I do not attend it has no effect on me. there's a law suit out there I am sure. Nope it's not discrimination at all. It's been explained several times on this thread in various different ways. I have read the whole thread, and it is discriminatory based on gender, please feel free to look it up. Again..... It's not. It's perfectly legal. Private members clubs are able to charge different rates to specific groups (in the case women) in order to encourage minority groups to attend that would otherwise not. From the Equality Act guidelines. "However, conduct which would on the face of it amount to direct discrimination is permitted if the conduct amounts to a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim." In the case of differential pricing the legitimate aim is balanced attendance by all genders. Feel free to try taking a club to court using the act. One of two things would happen. You'd most likely lose (given the guidance above. Alternatively you'd win, clubs would have to charge the same to single men and women, and as a result clubs would be forever more imbalanced, even fewer women would attend, more men would go, and clubs would either close due to lack of business or simply become couples only clubs. Not exactly a win for single men. A Thank you for your reply, honestly I never thought of swinging clubs as private, and through your explanation I now realise they are thus they can charge or let in who they want. I do not go to clubs or ever will as I don't want to be stereotyped as a creep by others as I have read some comments regarding single men in clubs. thanks. Assuming you know how to conduct yourself respectfully, there's no reason why you'd be lumped into a negative category. Yes, there's threads where the behaviour of some men are castigated. There's as many mentioning how respectful many men are. You get to choose how you're viewed, no one else. Your behaviour determines perceptions of you. Winston" You have no need to assume, I have already wrote how I feel about this thread, and I assume nothing about you.. you are right how I act and what I say determines how I am perceived. so using that when I read comments starting with men are this men are that ,I use those comments to perceive the mindset of those who write such comments because what they write is how I will perceive them. | |||
"I wouldn't want to be thought of as a potential creep or to be judged because I have turned up alone to a club, and some of the comments regarding single men I have seen on many threads on fab, has put me off attending. also to have a difference in price of entry based on gender is discrimination, but as I do not attend it has no effect on me. there's a law suit out there I am sure. Nope it's not discrimination at all. It's been explained several times on this thread in various different ways. I have read the whole thread, and it is discriminatory based on gender, please feel free to look it up. Again..... It's not. It's perfectly legal. Private members clubs are able to charge different rates to specific groups (in the case women) in order to encourage minority groups to attend that would otherwise not. From the Equality Act guidelines. "However, conduct which would on the face of it amount to direct discrimination is permitted if the conduct amounts to a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim." In the case of differential pricing the legitimate aim is balanced attendance by all genders. Feel free to try taking a club to court using the act. One of two things would happen. You'd most likely lose (given the guidance above. Alternatively you'd win, clubs would have to charge the same to single men and women, and as a result clubs would be forever more imbalanced, even fewer women would attend, more men would go, and clubs would either close due to lack of business or simply become couples only clubs. Not exactly a win for single men. A Thank you for your reply, honestly I never thought of swinging clubs as private, and through your explanation I now realise they are thus they can charge or let in who they want. I do not go to clubs or ever will as I don't want to be stereotyped as a creep by others as I have read some comments regarding single men in clubs. thanks. Assuming you know how to conduct yourself respectfully, there's no reason why you'd be lumped into a negative category. Yes, there's threads where the behaviour of some men are castigated. There's as many mentioning how respectful many men are. You get to choose how you're viewed, no one else. Your behaviour determines perceptions of you. Winston You have no need to assume, I have already wrote how I feel about this thread, and I assume nothing about you.. you are right how I act and what I say determines how I am perceived. so using that when I read comments starting with men are this men are that ,I use those comments to perceive the mindset of those who write such comments because what they write is how I will perceive them." You miss my point. Never mind. Winston | |||
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" I do not go to clubs or ever will as I don't want to be stereotyped as a creep by others as I have read some comments regarding single men in clubs. thanks. Some Couples and single ladies go to clubs In the hope to meet single guys so as long as you don’t act like a creep no judgment shall be passed Well they will not meet me as I will not be there. my choice has nothing to do with price, sex, colour, it is about the comments and judgements I have read on here regarding single men in clubs, why would I want to be thought of in such a way, when I am not that way. I once read a thread referring to single men as pond life and single men where at the bottom of the pond. how lovely You realise some people think that way about single guys on the site too, yet you haven't left. Most clubs and most people I've met in them have been really welcoming of well behaved men. Don't let the comments of a few horrible people ruin your potential fun. " why would I leave, and in truth I expected the comment. just see it this way you go to clubs I take it from your comment, I do not or ever will. as ive read on threads on here its the comments that matter its like a review of a club, don't go there as men will touch you up tells me not to go anywhere near the place, especially in theses times of the me to movement. | |||
" I do not go to clubs or ever will as I don't want to be stereotyped as a creep by others as I have read some comments regarding single men in clubs. thanks. Some Couples and single ladies go to clubs In the hope to meet single guys so as long as you don’t act like a creep no judgment shall be passed Well they will not meet me as I will not be there. my choice has nothing to do with price, sex, colour, it is about the comments and judgements I have read on here regarding single men in clubs, why would I want to be thought of in such a way, when I am not that way. I once read a thread referring to single men as pond life and single men where at the bottom of the pond. how lovely You realise some people think that way about single guys on the site too, yet you haven't left. Most clubs and most people I've met in them have been really welcoming of well behaved men. Don't let the comments of a few horrible people ruin your potential fun. why would I leave, and in truth I expected the comment. just see it this way you go to clubs I take it from your comment, I do not or ever will. as ive read on threads on here its the comments that matter its like a review of a club, don't go there as men will touch you up tells me not to go anywhere near the place, especially in theses times of the me to movement." You said you don't go to clubs as you don't want to be stereotyped as a creep, and you have read people saying things like that. So it's simple logic to believe that you wouldn't want to be on fab and stereotyped as a creep, when there are plenty of people saying things like that about single men here. If you don't want to go fine, but it's odd not doing something because of what a tiny minority of people have said about other peoples behaviour and not yours. You won't get stereotyped, as no one has said all men misbehave, in fact most know its a small minority of people that cause trouble and that most clubs won't put up with it and most men do behave respectfully and call out those that don't. Unfortunately it's always the negative stories options that get shouted about more. "I went to a club and no one inappropriately touched me" isn't a very interesting story, as that is how it should be. Yes, I go to clubs. No, I haven't been stereotyped (or if I have it's not affected me at all). Anyway... I'm not here to get you going to clubs if you are happy not doing so, I just didn't want you feeling like you couldn't due to being stereotyped. | |||
" I do not go to clubs or ever will as I don't want to be stereotyped as a creep by others as I have read some comments regarding single men in clubs. thanks. Some Couples and single ladies go to clubs In the hope to meet single guys so as long as you don’t act like a creep no judgment shall be passed Well they will not meet me as I will not be there. my choice has nothing to do with price, sex, colour, it is about the comments and judgements I have read on here regarding single men in clubs, why would I want to be thought of in such a way, when I am not that way. I once read a thread referring to single men as pond life and single men where at the bottom of the pond. how lovely You realise some people think that way about single guys on the site too, yet you haven't left. Most clubs and most people I've met in them have been really welcoming of well behaved men. Don't let the comments of a few horrible people ruin your potential fun. why would I leave, and in truth I expected the comment. just see it this way you go to clubs I take it from your comment, I do not or ever will. as ive read on threads on here its the comments that matter its like a review of a club, don't go there as men will touch you up tells me not to go anywhere near the place, especially in theses times of the me to movement. You said you don't go to clubs as you don't want to be stereotyped as a creep, and you have read people saying things like that. So it's simple logic to believe that you wouldn't want to be on fab and stereotyped as a creep, when there are plenty of people saying things like that about single men here. If you don't want to go fine, but it's odd not doing something because of what a tiny minority of people have said about other peoples behaviour and not yours. You won't get stereotyped, as no one has said all men misbehave, in fact most know its a small minority of people that cause trouble and that most clubs won't put up with it and most men do behave respectfully and call out those that don't. Unfortunately it's always the negative stories options that get shouted about more. "I went to a club and no one inappropriately touched me" isn't a very interesting story, as that is how it should be. Yes, I go to clubs. No, I haven't been stereotyped (or if I have it's not affected me at all). Anyway... I'm not here to get you going to clubs if you are happy not doing so, I just didn't want you feeling like you couldn't due to being stereotyped. "thank you | |||
" Some Couples and single ladies go to clubs In the hope to meet single guys so as long as you don’t act like a creep no judgment shall be passed Single ladies going to clubs…….what a great idea! Wonder if it’ll catch on………?
I've met plenty of single women in Chams and I've been reliably informed that there are as many single women as men on Jaydees guest list tonight.
It does happen, you just need to find the right clubs and the right nights. "Looks like I need to head South then | |||
" Again..... It's not. It's perfectly legal. Private members clubs are able to charge different rates to specific groups (in the case women) in order to encourage minority groups to attend that would otherwise not. From the Equality Act guidelines. "However, conduct which would on the face of it amount to direct discrimination is permitted if the conduct amounts to a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim." In the case of differential pricing the legitimate aim is balanced attendance by all genders. Feel free to try taking a club to court using the act. One of two things would happen. You'd most likely lose (given the guidance above. Alternatively you'd win, clubs would have to charge the same to single men and women, and as a result clubs would be forever more imbalanced, even fewer women would attend, more men would go, and clubs would either close due to lack of business or simply become couples only clubs. Not exactly a win for single men. A So I 100% agree with what you have written and actually wrote the same in my initial comment: “Private clubs can discriminate based on the sex of their members. It is not illegal although it would likely cause an outrage if it were the other way round and you can see many private clubs that had male only entry policies have been shamed into opening upto women.” You then questioned my observation that it was hypocritical to have a policy for one protected characteristic but to be happy with another. I stand by my hypocrisy comment. To be called woke and be implied I am racist for pointing out that some protected characteristics can be exploited for business but others cause outage is highly amusing. I get why clubs discriminate. But let’s at least be honest about the fact that is what they are doing." I didn't call you woke. I didn't call you racist either. I stated that your examples weren't comparable because they're not. You cannot compare pricing differentials based on gender with pricing differentials based on race. If you don't understand why then you need to give your head a wobble. You complain that protected characteristics are being 'exploited' due to price differentials. They're not. If it was just a case of ripping off men because clubs could, then yes it would be exploitative. But as explained time and time again (yet you seem to fail to grasp the concept each time) - it's done to balance gender numbers. It's not exploitative. It's actually beneficial to men as it prevents them from being in a 95% all male environment which I suspect would defeat the point of attending a club. I'm not bothering to explain this again. You either just can't grasp the rationale for some reason or are being deliberately obtuse. Either way - I'm out of this thread. repeating the same thing is getting tiresome. A | |||
" Some Couples and single ladies go to clubs In the hope to meet single guys so as long as you don’t act like a creep no judgment shall be passed Single ladies going to clubs…….what a great idea! Wonder if it’ll catch on………?
I've met plenty of single women in Chams and I've been reliably informed that there are as many single women as men on Jaydees guest list tonight.
It does happen, you just need to find the right clubs and the right nights.
Looks like I need to head South then "OOI, what clubs and nights have you tried? | |||
" Again..... It's not. It's perfectly legal. Private members clubs are able to charge different rates to specific groups (in the case women) in order to encourage minority groups to attend that would otherwise not. From the Equality Act guidelines. "However, conduct which would on the face of it amount to direct discrimination is permitted if the conduct amounts to a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim." In the case of differential pricing the legitimate aim is balanced attendance by all genders. Feel free to try taking a club to court using the act. One of two things would happen. You'd most likely lose (given the guidance above. Alternatively you'd win, clubs would have to charge the same to single men and women, and as a result clubs would be forever more imbalanced, even fewer women would attend, more men would go, and clubs would either close due to lack of business or simply become couples only clubs. Not exactly a win for single men. A So I 100% agree with what you have written and actually wrote the same in my initial comment: “Private clubs can discriminate based on the sex of their members. It is not illegal although it would likely cause an outrage if it were the other way round and you can see many private clubs that had male only entry policies have been shamed into opening upto women.” You then questioned my observation that it was hypocritical to have a policy for one protected characteristic but to be happy with another. I stand by my hypocrisy comment. To be called woke and be implied I am racist for pointing out that some protected characteristics can be exploited for business but others cause outage is highly amusing. I get why clubs discriminate. But let’s at least be honest about the fact that is what they are doing. I didn't call you woke. I didn't call you racist either. I stated that your examples weren't comparable because they're not. You cannot compare pricing differentials based on gender with pricing differentials based on race. If you don't understand why then you need to give your head a wobble. You complain that protected characteristics are being 'exploited' due to price differentials. They're not. If it was just a case of ripping off men because clubs could, then yes it would be exploitative. But as explained time and time again (yet you seem to fail to grasp the concept each time) - it's done to balance gender numbers. It's not exploitative. It's actually beneficial to men as it prevents them from being in a 95% all male environment which I suspect would defeat the point of attending a club. I'm not bothering to explain this again. You either just can't grasp the rationale for some reason or are being deliberately obtuse. Either way - I'm out of this thread. repeating the same thing is getting tiresome. A" And this is why I block all couples, such an attitude tut | |||
" Again..... It's not. It's perfectly legal. Private members clubs are able to charge different rates to specific groups (in the case women) in order to encourage minority groups to attend that would otherwise not. From the Equality Act guidelines. "However, conduct which would on the face of it amount to direct discrimination is permitted if the conduct amounts to a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim." In the case of differential pricing the legitimate aim is balanced attendance by all genders. Feel free to try taking a club to court using the act. One of two things would happen. You'd most likely lose (given the guidance above. Alternatively you'd win, clubs would have to charge the same to single men and women, and as a result clubs would be forever more imbalanced, even fewer women would attend, more men would go, and clubs would either close due to lack of business or simply become couples only clubs. Not exactly a win for single men. A So I 100% agree with what you have written and actually wrote the same in my initial comment: “Private clubs can discriminate based on the sex of their members. It is not illegal although it would likely cause an outrage if it were the other way round and you can see many private clubs that had male only entry policies have been shamed into opening upto women.” You then questioned my observation that it was hypocritical to have a policy for one protected characteristic but to be happy with another. I stand by my hypocrisy comment. To be called woke and be implied I am racist for pointing out that some protected characteristics can be exploited for business but others cause outage is highly amusing. I get why clubs discriminate. But let’s at least be honest about the fact that is what they are doing. I didn't call you woke. I didn't call you racist either. I stated that your examples weren't comparable because they're not. You cannot compare pricing differentials based on gender with pricing differentials based on race. If you don't understand why then you need to give your head a wobble. You complain that protected characteristics are being 'exploited' due to price differentials. They're not. If it was just a case of ripping off men because clubs could, then yes it would be exploitative. But as explained time and time again (yet you seem to fail to grasp the concept each time) - it's done to balance gender numbers. It's not exploitative. It's actually beneficial to men as it prevents them from being in a 95% all male environment which I suspect would defeat the point of attending a club. I'm not bothering to explain this again. You either just can't grasp the rationale for some reason or are being deliberately obtuse. Either way - I'm out of this thread. repeating the same thing is getting tiresome. A And this is why I block all couples, such an attitude tut " Bwahahahahaha. Winston | |||
" Some Couples and single ladies go to clubs In the hope to meet single guys so as long as you don’t act like a creep no judgment shall be passed Single ladies going to clubs…….what a great idea! Wonder if it’ll catch on………?
I've met plenty of single women in Chams and I've been reliably informed that there are as many single women as men on Jaydees guest list tonight.
It does happen, you just need to find the right clubs and the right nights.
Looks like I need to head South then
OOI, what clubs and nights have you tried? "I’ve been to Townhouse, Cupids, Atlantis, La Chambre, No.3, Club f and Club Play as a single guy, to a total of 16 visits. I’ve had sex on 2 occasions. I’ve been to No.3, Chams, and Club f as a couple, to a total of 4 visits, and played with others each time. I’m the same person whether by myself, or with a female by my side, but not in the eyes of the club fraternity | |||
" Some Couples and single ladies go to clubs In the hope to meet single guys so as long as you don’t act like a creep no judgment shall be passed Single ladies going to clubs…….what a great idea! Wonder if it’ll catch on………?
I've met plenty of single women in Chams and I've been reliably informed that there are as many single women as men on Jaydees guest list tonight.
It does happen, you just need to find the right clubs and the right nights.
Looks like I need to head South then
OOI, what clubs and nights have you tried?
I’ve been to Townhouse, Cupids, Atlantis, La Chambre, No.3, Club f and Club Play as a single guy, to a total of 16 visits. I’ve had sex on 2 occasions.
I’ve been to No.3, Chams, and Club f as a couple, to a total of 4 visits, and played with others each time.
I’m the same person whether by myself, or with a female by my side, but not in the eyes of the club fraternity "I’ve been to Eureka , Pleasures, Jaydees , Liberty Elite, VA , Arousals (as was) , Abfab (as was) to name a few must be 500 + times and have played maybe 30 times My club play record is worse than yours | |||
" Some Couples and single ladies go to clubs In the hope to meet single guys so as long as you don’t act like a creep no judgment shall be passed Single ladies going to clubs…….what a great idea! Wonder if it’ll catch on………?
I've met plenty of single women in Chams and I've been reliably informed that there are as many single women as men on Jaydees guest list tonight.
It does happen, you just need to find the right clubs and the right nights.
Looks like I need to head South then
OOI, what clubs and nights have you tried?
I’ve been to Townhouse, Cupids, Atlantis, La Chambre, No.3, Club f and Club Play as a single guy, to a total of 16 visits. I’ve had sex on 2 occasions.
I’ve been to No.3, Chams, and Club f as a couple, to a total of 4 visits, and played with others each time.
I’m the same person whether by myself, or with a female by my side, but not in the eyes of the club fraternity "Odd. I've done Chams, ClubPlay, Jaydees, Xtasia and Atlantis alone and was welcomed by singles and couples every time. I've also done Chams, ClubPlay, Xtasia, Atlantis and Pandora's as a couple. I've played nearly every time as a single, but as a couple it's often ended up just me and my parter. It doesn't bother me if I don't play though, as I was going to have a good night out and meet people. I did, and when the sex happens it happens. I guess what this shows is that everyone is different and so each of our experiences will differ. As long as we can find what works for us, it's all good. | |||
" Some Couples and single ladies go to clubs In the hope to meet single guys so as long as you don’t act like a creep no judgment shall be passed Single ladies going to clubs…….what a great idea! Wonder if it’ll catch on………?
I've met plenty of single women in Chams and I've been reliably informed that there are as many single women as men on Jaydees guest list tonight.
It does happen, you just need to find the right clubs and the right nights.
Looks like I need to head South then
OOI, what clubs and nights have you tried?
I’ve been to Townhouse, Cupids, Atlantis, La Chambre, No.3, Club f and Club Play as a single guy, to a total of 16 visits. I’ve had sex on 2 occasions.
I’ve been to No.3, Chams, and Club f as a couple, to a total of 4 visits, and played with others each time.
I’m the same person whether by myself, or with a female by my side, but not in the eyes of the club fraternity
I’ve been to Eureka , Pleasures, Jaydees , Liberty Elite, VA , Arousals (as was) , Abfab (as was) to name a few must be 500 + times and have played maybe 30 times
My club play record is worse than yours "We would get on well if our paths were to cross I reckon | |||
" Some Couples and single ladies go to clubs In the hope to meet single guys so as long as you don’t act like a creep no judgment shall be passed Single ladies going to clubs…….what a great idea! Wonder if it’ll catch on………?
I've met plenty of single women in Chams and I've been reliably informed that there are as many single women as men on Jaydees guest list tonight.
It does happen, you just need to find the right clubs and the right nights.
Looks like I need to head South then
OOI, what clubs and nights have you tried?
I’ve been to Townhouse, Cupids, Atlantis, La Chambre, No.3, Club f and Club Play as a single guy, to a total of 16 visits. I’ve had sex on 2 occasions.
I’ve been to No.3, Chams, and Club f as a couple, to a total of 4 visits, and played with others each time.
I’m the same person whether by myself, or with a female by my side, but not in the eyes of the club fraternity
Odd. I've done Chams, ClubPlay, Jaydees, Xtasia and Atlantis alone and was welcomed by singles and couples every time.
I've also done Chams, ClubPlay, Xtasia, Atlantis and Pandora's as a couple.
I've played nearly every time as a single, but as a couple it's often ended up just me and my parter.
It doesn't bother me if I don't play though, as I was going to have a good night out and meet people. I did, and when the sex happens it happens.
I guess what this shows is that everyone is different and so each of our experiences will differ.
As long as we can find what works for us, it's all good. "What it shows is, the experience on the night has nothing to do with the club, but all about who is there when you are. I often use the analogy of playing tennis; if nobody hits the ball back over the net, you soon get bored of practicing your serve and go home
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"I think it’s interesting to see how many people define their night by whether they end up playing or not… A club can provide a venue.. and other facilities… but it can’t determine what people will be in on a given night! " Many many moons ago I spent most of the night sat at the bar chatting footy with a chap. Great night, great banter. Poor bloke supported West Ham. 
I don't measure a good night by how wet my cock gets......
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"I think it’s interesting to see how many people define their night by whether they end up playing or not… A club can provide a venue.. and other facilities… but it can’t determine what people will be in on a given night! " I don’t understand this flex at all either to be honest.. I’ve seen and heard many guys whinge about this at parties! *face palm* | |||
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"I think it’s interesting to see how many people define their night by whether they end up playing or not… A club can provide a venue.. and other facilities… but it can’t determine what people will be in on a given night! Many many moons ago I spent most of the night sat at the bar chatting footy with a chap. Great night, great banter. Poor bloke supported West Ham.
I don't measure a good night by how wet my cock gets......
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